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We talk about the NBA, which we're doing on Monday after noon.
Joining us finally, from back home in Naples after weeks in Las Vegas, is Bobby Marks.
Gentlemen, I am home. If I would have, I would have kissed the grounds at RSW, known as Fort Myers Airport. I guess it is international, because you can fly to Germany from there yesterday. I was so tired from a 6 AM or through Houston, and as I said, somewhere around Oklahoma City that trade broke mid-air, and but I am home somewhat well-rested.
“All right, joining us from New York, where did you have to go to the Fanatics Fest, Vince”
Goodwill? Absolutely not. What up, though, Wendy? What up, though, Bobby? I was not going to that zoo on there any circumstances.
No. All right, Bobby, there was a significant trade in the NBA on Sunday. The team trade between Dallas, Oklahoma City, and Atlanta, primarily, Lou Dort is now in Atlanta, Hawk. The deal went, was already, it's already finalized, it went straight to, had the trade
call on Sunday. I didn't know that the NBA lawyers were still working some days in mid-July, but I changed that rule. It used to be like, you'd have to wait till Monday, and then there was a, there was a hiccup along the way a few years ago, and now it's like your own call, as long as you get
them the information in time, they'll come to work on Sunday. I remember, Vince, I remember when I was early in the league, Paul Silas wanted to trade. He wanted Ricky Davis traded away from the bronze. Should we make this so-fi? Get your one right, Jackson?
Our story. It was early in the week to be drawing out so-fi, because if I told this story before, Jackson, I'm very worried about retelling stories. It's my dad used to do it, and you'll bottom some McMahon, make fun of me for it, and so
“anyway, for the bronze rookie year, Paul Silas wanted Ricky Davis traded in the worst way.”
So they got to, like early December, and they had a trade worked out between Boston and Cleveland, to trade Ricky Davis to Boston. The lawyers at the league said, okay, we will, we'll do it after lunch, Bobby. They went on their lunch break, and they, and so Silas, like, paced around the, the team was in Indianapolis.
Silas paced around the hotel room waiting for the call that the, that the league lawyers were back from lunch, so that they could do the Ricky Davis trade and he could get him on the plane. He wanted him on the plane and out of Indianapolis as fast as possible. The lake grade Paul Silas, which is another thing that reminds me of another story, the
famous story about Ted Steppian, then you do know the Ted Steppian story with the, with the Dallas Mavericks. I don't think I know this one way off the, Bobby, do you know the story? I don't. I just know there's a rule name there after him, so yes.
So the, the reason the Steppian rule is in existence, the reason they called to Steppian
rule is because I believe that the calves traded their first round pick to the Mavericks
in four consecutive drafts. I think that's correct. And by the way, in different trades, it wasn't like they did it and they did one trade for like three firsts. Like, there was, it was like, they kept calling them and they kept trading them picks.
I think it was like from 1983, they traded four first round picks to Dallas. And, you know, this is back before cell phones or whatever. And so Dick Mada, who was the coaching GM, Bobby, I think. Yeah. I was the Mavericks at the time.
He had this classic line where he said he was afraid to ever leave his office to go to lunch because he might miss a call from Ted Steppian. But anyway, you can do a trade on the Sunday night in 2026. That's my point. And this trade got done.
So Lou Dort goes to Atlanta. Atlanta as now acquired the pretty decent set of perimeter players. Now, they're, you know, between CJ McCollum and Dyson Daniels and Alexander Nikhil Walker,
Lou Dort.
That's built up. We'll talk about Atlanta in a few minutes. Right now, Bobby, I want to talk about Oklahoma City and why they did this deal.
“Well, I mean, I think certainly financially.”
I mean, I think that's the top top of the line here where you look at where Oklahoma City was. They were a second apron team.
I always thought Brian convinced that once they exercised the door option before
free aid, you see that that contract was going to be traded. I never thought it was going to be extended and I never thought they were going to play out the year and let him become a free agent. So when you look at it financially, get some under the second apron. Yes, it gets some, I think they've gotten seven seconds in the three trades.
They've done it. Creators and trade exceptions. I think you look at it. They basically had a decision when they wanted to be in the second apron. Do you want to be in it this year?
Or do you want to be in it potentially next year when Cason Wallace, whose riggy extension eligible now, will hit the books? And now we'll certainly push them over. But when you look at where they were on June 15th, their projected payroll was close to 560 million.
Where they are right now, it's 234. Okay. So that's what? We're two hundred.
That's 30 million to three now, it's like three, three, 40.
Oh my gosh, three, three, three, 20, roughly three, 20 without touching their three players. Shay, Jalen, having their bench depths still intact with McCain, Caruso, and Mitchell. Any brought back Kenrik Williams, he's still jailing JAY, Jalen Williams, and you've got the rookies that you drafted.
So as we've learned in this apron error, the apron forces you to pick, okay, forces you to pick on what is priority and what is a luxury. And I will not say that Lou Dort was a luxury, certainly played a big car. But when you look at their roster, you know, eventually he was going to become a luxurious far as to keep.
Don't forget not this coming season, but next season, Shay's contract takes a huge jump to 60 million dollars. You got to figure it out. Like, that's just an existing player, not saying that, you know, Shay's MVP and everything
“goes not saying anything against that, but just you have to do long-term projections”
even before you're actually, you know, ready to it. And maybe you look at how Lou Dort played in the Western Conference Finals, and I played in the playoffs, the past couple of years, or at least how he's shot. And you're like, okay, maybe he's going to be expendable because of what they've acquired in the meantime, because you want to get in the jar of McCain, you already traded Isaiah
Joe for seconds. Like, this seems like the game just rewinds for Oklahoma City. They just, they wind up having to make these decisions to avoid the second apron. And at some point, when you got three guys on a max or three guys on something close to a max and one guy bumps to the super max, it's unavoidable at a point.
Yeah, this wasn't a second apron decision as much I think as it was just straight money. Because I don't think that the funder are too worried about being in the second apron for it's lack of team building factors because they don't use the mid levels. I haven't used them to levels in years, Bob, I don't think. Maybe other than to like sign draft picks, they don't really use the mid levels and, you
know, I mean, I think this was just straight about saving money. So you mentioned about, so this summer they had Lou Dort and Isaiah Hartnstein on team options.
They end up doing a new deal for Isaiah Hartnstein, a good deal, three or 75 million.
He took a mile, you know, in a market where, you know, backup centers are getting paid to the full mid level, Isaiah Hartnstein taking, you know, Walker Cessor got 32 million a year. Isaiah Hartnstein got 25 years. So, you know, just frame that, like I'm not saying who's better or whatever, I'm just saying
those two contracts for sign this summer.
“So they got good value, I think, at Hartnstein, you know, he's had some minor health issues”
but pretty good. When the funder don't extend you, they're probably going to trade you. If you're a, if you're a rotation player, a starter, there's a long history of that. And the players that they've traded, you know, like Chris Paul, Josh Giddy, Steven Adams, the players that they've traded have, have gotten extended elsewhere.
You know, they haven't sort of, you know, sent him away and not let him get paid, you know, Giddy got a hundred million dollar extension eventually and not in the Chicago. But if Sam Prestey doesn't want to extend you, you're probably getting traded. And so when Lou Dort didn't get extended, as you said, Bobby, the league knew he was going to get trade.
I was just a matter of what he got traded for, and why there would be a straight salary dump or whatever. So they, they ended up, I'm sure, you know, because they did another salary dump move with the Hawks, like three weeks ago, right? They sent Aaron Regans to the Hawks, another move that Cox have done.
They waited and did this deal separately. I think because I don't, I don't know for sure, but I think it was because the thunder
Were trying to see it.
They could get a first round pick for Lou Dort and I think there was even some discussions
before the Lakers went ahead and used their cap space in the ammo on getting Walker Custler.
“I think Lou Dort was an option, or they might have used some of those assets in a sign”
trade form. They weren't able to get that and they got the three seconds. And I'll tell you this, that if you look at the Celtics a year ago, the team that really had to hollow out its depth a year ago was the Celtics. Now the Celtics had the aggravating circumstance that Jason Tatum had the torn Achilles.
So when they let Porzingus, Lou Cornett and Alhorford go, they traded Porzingus and traded through holiday. I think they only got like, they got like Anthony Simons and like two seconds in that deal. I'll told.
I can't remember what they traded Porzingus for Bobby and then they later traded Simons for Nicola Vusovic and I guess the tail on that is still to be determined because they still have
this $23 million trade exception they could use.
But the point is that the thunder able to generate some level of assets, I think as you said, seven second round picks. Well, the other thing too is that they didn't send them west, right? Like I think that's, you know, I mean, that's a factor in it is that he goes east. I mean, the last thing you want to do is kind of be handcuffed and have Lou Dort guarding
Shay in the conference fight, you know, Lise goes east and is deal here. Yeah, I'm like the, the drill, they traded a couple of years ago, Milwaukee traded up and he was guarding, he was playing against him and in Boston after that. So yeah, I think that that's, that's relevant. You know, Sam Presti, the, I think he's vice president, whatever, he's the head of basketball
for the thunder. He gave an interview to the Oklahoma, and after this, which was a little bit unusual, Bobby Presti usually gives like two hour long marathon sessions at the beginning in the end of every season, and they're often very entertaining and enlightening, he doesn't usually go on the record outside those sessions.
He went and, and went on the record with the Oklahoma, because I think he felt like, you know, Lou Dort, the guy who'd been with the franchise a long time, very close to Shay goes Alexander, executive vice president, general manager.
“So I can call him general manager and be okay, that's what Jackson tells me.”
He, he gives that interview, Vinnie, and I think basically to like, try to explain why
the franchise traded this guy in a, in a straight cash dump. And what he basically said was these savings will help us fund the team in the future. He said, he said, essentially said, that's the plan. So they got to follow through with the plan. They got to sign case in Wallace.
They got to keep AJ Mitchell, they got to keep Jared McCain, but essentially that's what he said. He's explaining that this was, we did this to save money so we can, we can, we can keep this team built out for the future. I don't know whether the fans will, you know, how the fans will feel about that, but that's
what he said. Have you seen Oklahoma City fans, Wendy, like they eat that stuff, like if there is a fan base that will wear a jersey that says flexibility on the back of it, it's probably Oklahoma City. Okay.
And if there's any executive that has engender that level of, you know, confidence because we know executives will lie on the record, like nobody's excluded from that. But when you look at some of the constraints that sound prestige working with, when you look at the draft capital that he has, he can afford to make a move like this and like I go back to saying, on the floor.
“And I remember that series when I go and I have watched the series and full, you know,”
since it happened, but just going back to that series, look, man, you still have to do things to combat the San Antonio spires and you got to have more shooting on the floor and although the numbers sometimes will say that you got to guard Lou Dort, sometimes you don't. And also I wonder if some of the reputational stuff, like, hey, my bad, I'm gonna hit you when the kidney real quick, oh, my bad, I'm gonna hit you in this real bad, you know what?
I mean, I wonder if some of that stuff lightly, very, very, very, very lightly. I don't mean in some big grandiose way, I wonder if some of that stuff plays a small factor. And as if the juice is no longer worth the squeeze, when you have so many young players on the back end, ready to take on bigger roles, and that you have to make financial decisions
on in the future. I think they like the Lou Dort was, as a reputational, I don't think, I don't think, I do think was interesting that late in the regular season, they had like come out and sort of like apologize for that one play, what was that play, Bobby, where like Lou Dort, like publicly admitted to he had, oh, the Yogich with Yogich, was with Yogich, my brain is fried at this
point. Yeah, it was, yeah, him and Yogich got into it, yeah, and I think Mark Dagonal came out
Defended him and then like when they thought about it for a day, they were li...
know what, I had an executive tell me, he goes, that was a day, I knew they were trading Lou Dort because even if it was in the wrong, I mean, I don't think that's true, just to be clear, but whatever. You think the players associated David Kelly, the player association is sitting there with
a notebook being like James Dolan, second apron, Oklahoma City, you think they're kind
of collecting their, their second apron notes, although I know they did say to ton of money on here, but, you know, there's nobody in it now, there's nobody left. It's a hard cap, it is a hard cap and we should all deal with it.
“And as I said before, you should deal with it because it's not going anywhere for the next”
three years. And if it changes in three years from now, then we'll just from there and we'll figure it out, but that's what it is right now. One thing I want to say about the second apron and teams staying away from a hard cap just so that I don't get a call from the league office or the players union.
The players are guaranteed, yes, 51% of the basketball revenue. So if the basketball revenue comes in at $100, the players get $51. It's just a matter of how it's distributed.
The whole point is that they have to, the teams with players in the second apron offload
players elsewhere so the talent is more distributed. Lou Dort is on the Hawks and not on the funder. He's still making say on my money, that money would have, you know, would have come in. So it's not that the players are getting less. It's that the teams are now able to build up as much and there's a forced player sharing
in the league. Which is the purpose, as Vince said, the spread it out is the purpose of what a hard cap is.
“Here's the thing, because I asked the question, Adam Silver's press conference and I got a bunch”
of, you know, dirty looks from the front of the room, not Adam Silver, but just you got a new sits in the front of the room. I got a couple of dirty looks when I said, when I asked the question about not necessarily forced parody, but the players, I want to say they don't lose, but they get their money, right?
The league gets its share of whatever this is. I think the fans buy and large lose out and not on the loot door situation, but when you look at victim and many, I'm taking less than each should. I don't think just my personal opinion, if it's your first big contract, I do not think that if you're a max player, you should take less, that's just me, get your money and worry about
sacrificing later and all other types of stuff. It's your choice, but that's just my thought. But I do think that the fans kind of lose out of your wind up investing in a group of players and you're watching them grow, and then because they have to get their money, you quote on quote, can't afford them because of this hard cap, and they want to go on some
whistling and getting their money. Another team wants up getting a player that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and the fans of that homegrown market, like they lose out, on seeing their guy and their uniform being able to, you know, fear or this thing out to his fruition, like that's one of those things I was trying to hint at when I asked him, I don't want that, and that as definitely
as Adam does, goes into talking about the system is working as it's intended to work. Yeah, he basically said we're not changing again. Thank you for asking. And the other thing, too, is like when you kind of look back to last couple of years on all these financially-moded related decisions, there hasn't been one yet where it's like
one of these young, up-and-coming players, right? When you look at, like, listen, Lou Dore has certainly been in a league, you look at Bradley Biel, you look at Porzingus, you look at Holiday, you look at Horford, you look at, you know, Cornet, a little bit there, you know, some of the other decisions that they were, that has been made throughout the last couple of years here.
So there hasn't been, you know, of Oklahoma City had said, hey, we're going to trade case and loss right now because we can't, we don't want to extend them because it's then you're going to be like, wait a minute here, but as Brian said, as Vince, you said, like, listen, the players are still getting the money, there's been over, I did a class last week,
there's opened over $11 billion in extensions in the last three years.
So when players are claiming that, whether it be free agency or whether it be the apron, the money is just distributed differently, right? Like that's just, that's just how this CBA is. Or who collected podcast after this? Okay.
So I want to talk about the Hawks a little bit. I had to look at the Hawks roster, Bobby, because the Hawks keep making moves to acquire
“players and I was like, how many guys have got on their roster?”
And the answers, I think they've got 17. Hey, dude. 16 are guaranteed out of that group. Okay. Two first round picks, don't forget Kingston Flemingz and Zubi Egefor, who Egefor shows
Some good rebounding in the summer weeks.
So they do this deal to pick up Lou Dort and, you know, they've got the interesting thing about what about this now, Bobby is the Thunder didn't extend Lou Dort.
“Will the Hawks extend Lou Dort and I think the intention is to wait and see, I do not think”
he will guarantee getting extension.
And if you look at that, when you look at his salary, which is what 17 million?
Yeah, 17 change, 17 seven. Yep. And you look at some other, you know, they have Joc Landale on a one year, $14 million contract. sign CJ McCollum to a 1 year, 21, 21. So if you look at what they've done, they've taken on some big one year contracts, but also players that are, you know, like, Lou is probably going to start for them,
you know, Joclandale played back up. You know, CJ McCollum may start, may come off the bench, but it'll be maybe their six man. Like, those guys are going to be key players, but they've also, they also didn't they have the option to cut buddy healed, and they picked that up.
Yeah, they had a guaranteed, they had a shave about six million, and they elected not to do it.
I mean, they're, they're bad. They're books. I mean, they've got no, no players making more than 30 when you look at it. They've got no bad contracts, because even there, they're, they're, they're big contracts that they've signed. Like, Jalen Johnson, he's its submax. He's an all-star playing its submax, paying, being paid submax. The deal that they signed, they sent Daniels to it's a hundred million, but like, maybe you'd have trouble trading it for great value, but it's not
considered like a bad contract, right, Bobby? Like, he was all defensive. I mean, that's pretty good. The QLX Inter Walker, that was an excellent contract that they signed. So it's a very,
“so it's a, it's a competitive team, you know, I, I think they're a top six team in the East,”
we'll see who's healthy, a new play as well and what have you, and they've got all these expiring contracts. And I think they're still in relatively good shape pick-wise. I know that they still owe San Antonio some assets from acquiring the Dijonte Murray, but they're in okay position, like, Bobby, like, I keep an eye on the Hawks in the medium term. If a star, if another star player becomes available. I agree, and we don't, we don't know when that happens, of course, but as I said,
as you said, they've aligned their books to go out and make a deal if something comes to fruition with a bunch of expiring potentially, expiring contracts and draft picks, they're pick-os to San Antonio next year, but they have the least favorable of New Orleans or Milwaukee. I think it's top for protected in there. So they do have a pick there, and plus, be your first with that. So yeah, I mean, they're in a really good financial position right now, roster-wise.
Somebody's going to be the odd man out eventually when we get closer to the start of the regular season, just because you're going to have to trim that roster by two players.
“But did they also get Ryan Nemhart? They got him in that trade?”
Yeah, well, that was the under the ring. Yes, they did get Ryan, which had a, hey, listen, he, and with the curry injury last year, he started a ton of games and played pretty well, and they eventually converted him of his two-way to a standard and he got him on a one-year
$2.2 million deal. It's pretty good value. I mean, Brian, look at, and eventually look at what
they've been able to do. That was a lot of times this idea. Bonsoir. They haven't had the deal done. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Ryan Nemhart, Devon Carter, Aaron Wiggins and Lou Dorr for Zachary, let's just say, for Zachary Rishishay in future seconds. That's when it all comes down to it there. It's pretty good, pretty good business. I wonder what we think about a guy who was number one pick, who was traded after his second
years, Zachary Rishishay. Like, I'm so, like, you taught the people around the league, you're so mixed on him. Like, he just hasn't, you know, fully developed, he took a step back, this year, as the horse took a step forward. I wonder if he's just an undervalued asset and I'll go in the Dallas, not that we're talking about the Dallas part of this or whatever, but he's kind of just a post-script in this Lannoholks deal. I don't want overall pick in-between Cooper flag and
extra-web and Yama. He's a trip to your question. And like, you know what I mean? He is legit. I'm trying to think of who, the number one pick in 1982, when we visit around Samsung. Okay, I was going to say, who's the number one pick between 1982 and 1984 between the, uh, the Jamesworthy draft and the, uh, came allies want draft. You know what I mean? Like, like, that's not, and that's a bad, that's a poor example because we're out of Samsung. I think
turns out to be still pretty damn good. But still, like, that's where he is right now. And
Not that, not that you were about giving up on the guy too early, but I think...
made when he just in general about flexibility or at least that level of flexibility,
“having the expiring contracts. Because free agency now, to me, I think free agency is dead in the”
NBA and you're kind of going back to having flexibility to make trades for guys because we saw with the Jaylon Brown thing. You're going to see it across the league in other situations. When you're extension eligible and your team doesn't sign you or your team doesn't extend you, they're going to trade you. And if a team offers you and you don't take it, they're going to trade you. And so you need to be in a position as a franchise to be flexible and pliable to acquire a set player.
Like, that was going to have multiple years left on this deal. Be extension eligible and be good enough where you can, you know, get players like that. That won't cost you to farm and you can still be worthy of being a contender. Back in my day, they called this secondary draft. When you could get a
player who maybe didn't work out with his first team. We'll grow this of whether he was taken
number one or number 20. And maybe didn't work out with his first team and you could get the player what he was still on his rookie contract. It was known as the secondary draft, right Bobby? That was the sort of redrafted. In this case, Quinn Slider frankly stopped playing Zachary Rishishay down the stretch last year. I mean, maybe not every game, but more often than not, he was on the bench at the end of games. And Quinn Slider decided to contract extension this year. And with this
full of Lannos team is I'm not sure Quinn Slider was going to play on this year. So Dallas gets some at decent value here. They use the Anthony Davis trade exception to take him in. And I got, I got a wonder, Bobby, do you think the Hawks would have picked up? So Rishishay is guaranteed this year.
“But his option for next season is 17 million. Yeah, it's interesting, too. And you remember that”
Anzi Soleil, who's your president at basketball operations, didn't draft him either. So he, I believe Lannos your fields did that year. And Anzi's now in charge. I would have been interesting if he had drafted him if he would, you know, sometimes you're attached to guys, right? Like you're attached to that player that you that you drafted. That would have been, I mean, his option year is like, I think, $15, $16,000. So that would have been, you know, because that would have
taken away potentially some of that flexibility that they, they will have this offseason here. But you're right, he, you know, he was not part of the rotation. I think for Dallas, I think you take
a flyer on, right? I mean, it basically cost them. And I know that Ryan Nemhart was part of it,
but it cost him a $2027 second that was Chicago's to come into, you know, another good piece of business for a guy and a, listen, Mike Schmidt's a senior's guys. I mean, you know, he's from an international. They were jam and Dallas. Yeah, Schmidt's loves international players. And he got another one there and they traded up in the draft to get the Spanish process, Sergio Delorea. Yeah. The next draft to them and as soon as the next draft to them,
Schmidt's was trying to get, it was trying to move up. One of their former ESPN. We got, we got Royce Young. He was obviously involved in this trade just kidding. We got, we got, we got smidge. We got Schmitz, Royce and Bond Temps. I mean, they did the deal. It had nothing to do. It nothing to do with Messiah and Schmitz. It had nothing to do with onc had nothing to do with Sam Preston. This was, this was the ESPN got. All right. Since the, the first Bond Temps deal.
This is, oh, and then you're going to come in good. This is the Bond Temps podcast today. So, coming a still trends like, at least on my social, zery's trending every, every day. And I want to be clear, I have nothing against Jonathan Kominga, his him or a player. But the outside, the outside, the outsized interest and what happens to him is mind boggling to me. The amount of attention and coverage that is paid to Jonathan Kominga's contractual situation,
I cannot compute it. Okay. I just can't compute it. For example, on their mind. Anyway, I see everywhere, Bob, but there's going to be sign and trades and sign and trades and maybe he'll
get signed to trade for $100 million, and maybe it's signed to trade for $95 million. He'll average
75 points and $26 rebound. I'm like, okay. Ladies and gentlemen, the Atlanta Hawks have 17 players
“on their roster with guaranteed contracts. I actually, I think 16. Are you said that? 16 guarantees”
won partial. Yeah. Oh, one non-guarity. Who were they taking in a sign and trade for Jonathan Kominga? Well, and here's the other thing, and they're not going in the luxury tax to do it either, and they took out salary and it's their 4, 4.1 million below the luxury tax. They ain't going in. So if you're the lakers and you think you're going to trade in Jared Vanderbilt, remember, like, I think it's interesting, like, when you'd sign and trade a player and you were taking
salary back, it's not like you're getting money off your books. This was a player that has not talent. There's not talent against anything here. The same thing with, I mean, I'm, I'm seeing all these paint and wash and sign and trade scenarios and I'm like, stop. You know,
Like, apron.
to Cleveland. I'm seeing like, oh, Kominga, seven years, six hundred and forty five million hell of a family. I'm like, you guys understand that the calves, if they take a player in a sign and trade, they're hard cats of the first apron. They can't do that. They're going to spend past the first apron. So, and I mean, again, like, it's one thing that you're like, yeah, we're going to try to acquire a nuclear yoke. And, like, it doesn't work on the cap. Okay, maybe you
figure that out. I just, I've never seen anything. I've just never seen anything like it in my career.
The, the, the intense desire to acquire Jonathan Kominga at any cost. It's just the fascination when the, you know, because we've been talking about him for so long, like, we, I mean, as the NBA, you know, in the NBA zeitgeist, we've just been talking about Kominga from the moment he got drafted. The two-time line stuff playing for the Warriors, like, there's just a fascination with him. And he's been productive. He's been productive, right? And then when you're productive,
people want to see, oh, he's going to be fully unleashed when he goes to place X. He was supposed to be fully unleashed in Atlanta. Maybe he will go do that. Maybe he will sign somewhere and he will average 20 in 10 and he will be an all-star. That, at that time, we can talk about how much he's
getting paid. One thing I want to point out, if I'm not mistaken, Bobby, the Lakers could actually
have done a sign in trade for Kominga two weeks ago. When the Lakers traded DeAndre 8 to the War to the Wizards, there was a window there where the, where the Hawks could have gotten in on the signage, but before the Hawks made other acquisitions and got up against the luxury tax, before they did Lou Dore, but maybe even before they did Aaron Wiggins, there was a window for the Lakers to do a deal to get Jonathan Kominga, but what they could have paid him would have
been less than the mid-level. The window for signing trades, I mean everyone's outside of the bra and some other things like businesses pretty much done. In the league, I mean they're really, like, you know, I know they're restricted guys are still out there with Watson and Durn, but I mean like the creativity of a signing trade right now, where 23 teams are basically hard cap at either the first or second apron. Like it's not, and then we mentioned, and then we take
the Atlanta party into it, don't forget about them. They just made this trading to gone six
million, million more, and they've got 17 guys on their players on the roster, like they're not
taking back another salary here. No, by the way, Kominga might sign somewhere for the minimum,
“average 20 in 10, and then a year from now, get a max for all I know. And maybe that's why he didn't”
want to take a sub mid-level offer from the Lakers in that sign trade. I'm not saying it's a bad decision. Just know that that was the window to get to LA was when they sent eight into Washington. And by the way, after they sent eight into Washington, they then went out in signs of your Williams, a wing. So like, and I'm not saying that your Williams is better than Kominga, but they moved on and signed a wing. Well, remember, too, also, Kominga's probably or an in his agent, Aaron Turner probably
think would well, sign and trade has to be three years. Why am I going to get stuck on a three year deal? Maybe I can go back and free age to see, well, sometimes the ability to take the now versatility unknown. No, I said, if he signs of minimum and average is 20 in 10, it'll be genius. But enough with the sign and trades at Jonathan Kominga, get it off my trending. Thank you. I'm under control. It's all fine. I will say that by late July, we're in a, we're in silly season at this
“juncture. Okay. More who collected podcast after this?”
All right, Bobby, there is some NBA business that needs to be done this summer, still on the books. Maybe not in terms of player movement. Let's have the Dreyman Green and James Harden getting resigned into, uh, and to back to their teams, depending on what LeBron does, then there'll be some fallout after that tomorrow to Rose. But I want to talk about the guys who are extension eligible this summer. We haven't really seen, we saw Victor Wembanyama extend,
but we haven't really seen a lot of guys who are extension eligible come to terms, which is a little bit unusual by late July. No, you're right. I mean, I, I mean, should I even wrote article back back in June calling it the summer of extensions, and we've only seen, um, we haven't seen many at all. Especially the veterans, the rookies, only Victor has come off the board, um, so far. I think some of it has to do with the date of their extension eligible. I think Anthony Davis,
two players that are in the most fascinating to me are Anthony Davis who's extension eligible, August 6th, and Carl Anthony Towns, who has been extension eligible since the finals ended on
“that, um, that Saturday news extent, it was eligible the final final date because I think for Davis,”
it's, you know, listen, it's a big number. They already did the trade deal at four for 2013,
Four for 2013, um, what is the number for Anthony Davis?
it could set up for what is what happens with that roster there, um, because next year's Jalen Bronson and OG, like eventually all these numbers start to add up here, and what is will the Towns number be lower, given the flexibility, we're seeing a day and age where players are negotiating, teams are negotiating, also. So those are those are the two big ones. It used to be the guys who was Janice, right? We had circled October 1st, we can put that to bed until probably January,
as far as what his, um, his extension is going to be and everything like that. So, uh, but, you know,
“there's a lot of curry is still, you know, curry eventually, I think Steph's at the end of”
Steph at the end of July. July, well, exactly how I look at his date, but there's a, we've got a who's who of players, um, all NBA players that are still kind of hanging out out there. Look, I know it's, I know it's fashionable to take less, and I'm, I'm not trying to, I promise you, I'm going to preface this by saying, I'm not trying to upset New York Nick fans here. I've been kind of been there cross-airs for the past couple of months about Bobby and Wendy. Jalen Bronson is going
to come get all of his money. Every bit that he won't say sacrifice. He signed the year early, right? He signed the year early. He could have signed for a hundred million dollars more by signing later. Every dollar of that, well, 280 or 300 that he's supposed to get next time. He's going to get all of that. How does that affect any of this conversation? That affects what you do with Carl Anthony times. Like, Carl Anthony times one is just one of the extension before the season started. Did not get it.
And now when this spot where Carl Anthony towns sacrificed a lot, why don't go into the playoffs
as they're most important player? You saw how critical he was to them rolling through the East,
them rolling through the finals. It's deep in some victim women yama. And usually when that happens,
“a player wants to get rewarded for his sacrifice. How do the Nick's balance both of those things?”
Is it possible to do both of those things? Because you know, Jalen Bronson is going to have to eat first, but Carl Anthony and towns is going to be up first for a contract extension. It's going to be delicate. I'm curious to see how Leon Rolls and Jim Dolman and those guys handle that situation. Well, Jim Dolman is on the record saying we're not going into the second apron. And then the Nick's operated their off season, not going into the second apron. It costs a mid- Robinson.
And they drove a hard bargain with Landry Shaman. I thought they got him at a good number. They got a good number. They got a good number. So they have set the standard that they're not doing it. So Carl, he's a 2010 guy who's proven to be a champion and was great in the playoffs. He wants that max extension. It is completely reasonable. But if his standard is, you know, max or bust, it's becomes uncertain. Now, it doesn't affect the 26, 27 season. The Nick's
started as well. Be back, whether he signs it or not. But you know, the Nick's don't want him to be a free agent in 27, which is where he could be. So, you know, they had an opportunity to extend to before last season. They didn't do it. I'm not criticizing that. It worked out. And so now they've left themselves where they're in position to, you know, to, to, to deal with that. And look, what's the number that, where he takes, I mean, like, I don't even know Bobby, like,
well, you know, his option year 61. Okay. So the max that was, that's basically number.
So I'm literally going to have their numbers right now. So they're roughly 13 million below the
second apron next year, including the option year. Okay. Of the free agents, the big free agent is due to the pride and Josh Hart's got a team option. So really, it's really not about as much as 27. It's really about the other the 28 year. That 28, 29 year when the Brunson 43 million dollar number is going to jump to probably 60. I would think, right? Like, that's going to be his number. Because Jalen is going to opt out of the last year that contract at some point and get his proper race.
Yeah. That's where you're going to start to see things add up with, uh, with New York. But certainly him taking a little bit less, I would give them more flexibility next off season to be able to add some things to the roster. So they're not just pressed up against that, uh,
second apron. It's just a look. It's hard to keep teams together for more than like three years at this
“point. And for that to happen, you you have to bend somewhere in the thunder. I mean, the the”
the Celtics, you saw what's happened to Celtics. Yep. The thunder are bending, trying not to break. And the nicks are, it's tight. It feels it's squeezed. And so we'll see. Do they bend or break? You know, and that's what this will be a, uh, this moment will be an indication whether that could happen.
So, uh, I do know this.
for them. Yes, you. Damn important player. So, uh, we'll watch that. Obviously, the other one is, is Yokech, which there's no drama there. He's not extending this. And Yokech won his fast. And for me, it's interesting. And I know he's come out and said that Denver is where he's going to be and all that and he's going to sign next year. But man, I'm just looking at the roster. Like what, and the, what they've done, we're really having done this offseason and going into next year,
you know, as the third, best, fourth, best, fifth, I don't know. You can go down the packing order there. They're basically, they're, they're the same team, right? They're the same team. And I still have
“the paint Watson situation to figure out here. What's your favorite phrase, Wendy?”
Actions over words. There we go. Yeah. We'll see. Bobby, how about sports business classroom? You had a great week last week, right? We did. We had a terrific week. We had, um, I think the numbers eventually got to, I think we're at 130. Um, I was really, you know, one of the, one of the things that besides the actual programming that we go through daily programming, having speakers come through and presenting is that, um, they have to do. We have a mock trade deadline on Friday.
And our group, uh, the people at Spotrake came in and built out a secondary website for them to use, like a dummy shadow website, because the traffic on their site has been so great with all these students going on there. Um, and they build out the site. But one of the things Brian they have to do
“is they're on Wednesday. I have to present. We call midterm. So you have to come in and kind of give”
an idea. Kind of, then say, the midterm on a week long. Well, last, like to just say, the midterms on Wednesday were not very good. Uh-oh. And I was, uh, significantly, I was very concerned. And when I talked to them on Saturday after they presented, which were really good, like probably the best I've said, I, I was honest with them. I said, you were all a train wreck on Wednesday. You basically have made grounds as far as where they are. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's a, it's an exhausting week.
But it's probably, as always, say, it's probably one of the more enjoyable weeks. Are you willing to
reveal, like, because there's a fake trade deadline? What the best non-real? But simulated trade that you saw, it wasn't a trade. So we had our, our clutch group, which was our students come up and tell us where LeBron was going on the, as I said, it was fictional. Uh, they had him going to Minnesota to join Anthony Edwards in the mellow in that group. Um, we saw a Devon Booker get traded toward Lando as part of, uh, the deal. Um, so yeah, we had some big, uh, big numbers are, or the team that wanted
all was Chicago, which really just did a nice job as far as identifying who they, who they were
as, as a group. But it was fun. It was like a fun, a fun process for them to go through. And I always
said, like, you know, when you have a deadline, they had three and a half hours to do the trade deadline,
“uh, from eight, 30 to new, uh, new. When you have a deadline, you reactions are different, right?”
Everybody just reacts differently here as far as where, where they worked on a week. It's fascinating. We should, we should put it on YouTube. Hey, we're getting aggregated. I want to fit it on this. Well, you know what the, the beauty of it is, too, is like, and, you know, listen, and you can talk about AIL, you want, but when you present, like how AI is incorporated presentations, right? Like what teams can, what people can do now with AI, uh, is really a remarkable thing.
Um, and, um, yeah, it's, uh, I take, well, I remember, um, we did this in February at the, in LA, but it was an expansion draft and taking pictures of what their, uh, people actually thought it was real, like when I, you know, it's how social media works and everything, but, um, it was, uh, it was
or as I said, it was always a rewarding, uh, rewarding experience. All right. And now you sleep until the
bright, which until the front, that's right. All right, thank you to Miles Mark Tucker and Jackson, put it together. Thank you to Bobby and Vinnie. Thank you for watching and listening to the hoop collective. We're back later this week, or probably actually before when we hear from the rock.
