Greta Lee

- Hi, my name is Greta Lee.

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- Oh my God! - About being Conan O'Brien's friend. - Greta, you just said the record. - Yeah, that was the longest. It wouldn't be the longest intro.

“That's because that record is held by Jeff Global”

who went, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. For maybe 45 minutes, but there was just silence. - I just died a little bit. I said it came back to life. (upbeat music)

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- Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien.

Needs a friend. I am Conan O'Brien. - Of course, joined by my two chums, pals, and megos. They're my right-along buddies. That's right.

Son of Musesian. - What's that? - What? - And, okay, I don't think you really want to know what's up with me.

I think you just said that. - I do, I didn't know that. - And my girl, how are you Matt? - I'm good. - Do you kind of mean writer die

'cause write-alongs feels like you're a cop and we're like, you're... - Yes, yes. - I think, comedically, I'm an expert and you two are researching the role of being funny

and you're writing along with me. - Oh, okay. - But then we stop and we're involved in a shootout. - So we also don't have a choice to who we get to write along.

- No, you don't. - No, you don't have to be funny. - Exactly. - No, you want it to be. You don't want to write along with Bill Hater.

No, that's not gonna work out. You're with Conan O'Brien. - Yeah, what's a shootout? - Sometimes you do get phrases wrong. - I do, yeah.

- Yeah, it makes me laugh. Like you said, cute me the other day when we were recording and it's me cute. - Yeah, but you know what? You can flip those around, whatever you want.

I play with my in which like James Joyce, I'm constantly, no, I'm very creative with it. You're like the rules to say it this way. - Well, you're just saying it incorrectly. - No, no.

- You need it. It's not the right way to say it. Right along makes no sense. - When I cute me, implies like, they didn't have a me cute,

but they just saw each other. I want to say you kind of got cute me. - I don't know. - Like your meat is cute. - Yeah, oh.

- You guys are terrific. - Oh. - And because you don't want to, I want you out of my common cop, though. (laughing)

- We can't be doors, or you can't throw you out of the back. - I don't follow the rules. I don't, you want to color inside the lines and do a good job with your talking. I'm all over the map and I think that it's the way to go.

- And it is just important. Like you remind me sometimes of my mom and she is not a native English speaker. So you, the two of you have the same sort of grasp on a lot of like you.

- Did she say cathartic like he does? - Do you say cathartic? - I like to throw a sea in there. It gives it an Arctic chill. (laughing)

- Oh, I didn't realize it was on purpose. - Yeah. - I'm telling you, there's a lot that I do. And you're thinking, of course, you're the guy that if you've gotten a time machine

to go back to look at Picasso and go, no, no, no. Not two eyes on one side of the head. This will never work. Make cats with big eyes. (laughing)

“And that's why, you know, your time travel adventures”

are always just terrible.

But what I do is I play with the forms. I'm very elastic and creative. - It's all on purpose. - Of course it is. - Yeah.

- What are you talking about? - In any night, live weird, too, which we've talked about. - Well, that was years ago. - No, we sat out live. - Yeah, you did it.

Why did that? - Well, I told you what happened. Laura is from the deep south. - Okay. - And then he invented this whole thing.

- Nothing done. - It's whole thing about being from Toronto. But when I first met him, he was like, "Hello, Cody, welcome to Santa Land." (laughing)

He was drinking a mint. Jule up and he was fanning himself. He was sitting on a big porch. Big spread down there in Alabama. Anyway, sure, okay, I will try to conform

to your more legalistic ways of speaking. - You can do you. We could go on a comedic right along. That's what it is. So we're both in the back seat of the car.

- And you say, "I remind you of your mom." - And you remind me of mine. - She created you and I created you. So that makes sense. - Okay, all right, yeah.

You know what? - Yeah. - She birthed you. She birthed you as he kind of did. - And I saw you and I cleaned you up a little bit

and then cut you with my magic wand. And now your international star, Son of a muccess, you. - I can't even argue because you're kind of right. - And I did clean you up, you were mad. - You did not clean me up.

I was fine. - Covered in leaves when I met you.

“So here we are, and I think that's good.”

We got that out, it was very cathartic.

- You say words incorrectly.

“- I should be insulted, but that's one of the better songs, I said, yes, it was brilliant.”

That was really nice. - Thank you. - I will be paying you back for that for weeks and weeks. - I know. - And so, my lawyers will be in touch.

- You're lawyers, you're lawyers, you're lawyers. - You mean the ones that are suing you? - Yeah. (laughing) - David Melman, she used his lawyers that are suing her.

- That's like when you go to buy a house and you go to the seller's realtor go, "Hey, could you represent me?" - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah.

All right, well let's get into it. Okay, this is quite a show that we have today. I guess this fine day is a talented actress, who started in the fantastic film past lives.

She also voiced Lily Pad in Toy Story 5.

So this-- - I've heard of it. - Yeah, Toy Story 5 is many people say that performances in Toy Story 5 are the best performances ever recorded. - I've heard that, but they said they've singled out one of them.

“- No, they said every single one of them.”

- They said one performance in particular. - Really made it. - Gradually. - It was Gradually. (laughing)

- Anyway, now you can see her in the new Netflix movie, the last house. She's lovely, super talented. So happy, she stopped by the podcast today. (upbeat music)

- Gradually, welcome. - You and I have had some opportunity to hang recently because we are part of the most successful movie of all time. - Oh, is that right? Is it?

- I just said that. - You guys were in the Odyssey? (laughing) - Yes, we were. - Yes, we were there.

Did you not make it until the end of the day? - We were there, we're definitely.

- People have always said I have a mat,

name and quality, and I pulled it off. He was unavailable. - Yeah. - We are in this movie together and you were fantastic, by the way.

And this thing, I don't know about you, but we amorous and devil will send me like a thing that says, you know, Toy Story 5 has now passed the 800 billion dollar mark which entitles you to a check for 75 dollars. And I'm just really excited, so I just go like,

yay, ice creams on me. - Yeah, exactly. - It's really fun. - It is very fun, yeah. And I don't want to be ghost about it

and bring up the numbers. - Well, for your numbers, if we're different, you could carve out, you know. But you know, a lot of people in America and I know this to be true,

I have facts on this, see that the emotional core of the film, smarty pants and lily pad. And there's a lot of like Tom Hanks, who Joan Q.S.A.W. - Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of that going on.

- That is going on right now. - In my mind, it's going on in my mind. - It's definitely not on social media, so I am the right person to confirm that it's definitely going on.

It's been the blowback, wow. - Incredible. - Have you checked in on Tom, is he okay? - Tom is, Tom is depressed. - So depressed.

- It's flatlining, you know, just, I mean, these guys, Tim Allen hasn't spoken in his, since the movie came out, because they're just decimated by all the love. - Yeah. - For lily pads, for any pants.

Did you have fun doing it? 'Cause that was an insane experience.

“- The press tour or the actual recording of the movie?”

- Press tours, or just, I don't even know what to say, but press tours, increasingly they're more embarrassing. - Yeah, yeah, I would say this one though, compared to some others, it was pretty okay in terms of the embarrassment factor.

I mean, I thought we did some honorable work out there. - We did some honorable work out there. My favorite part was Tom Hanks, and I were tossed into a van, driven down to Disneyland, and they said, we want you to get shot in the theme park,

you know, video tape of you in the theme park for promotion, and so our characters are behind us going, "Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo." - This is real, this is real. So we go down there, they take us through

all these different tunnels, they put us up in front of this. - Yeah, they put us up in, oh, you're a graffiti's all over the place. - Yeah, I know those types. - Yeah, I know those types.

- And a lot of maps of dick, but he worked there at Disneyland. Back on the day, he was a talking trash can. And I make fun of him 'cause I'm a talking toilet trailer, throw it paper. - Now the mighty, I'm fine.

- Yeah, exactly. You actually have the superior position on me here, but anyway, they had his pose in front of this flat, they could have been anywhere. - Yeah, yeah.

- It could have been anywhere. Why did you do that? - But your remastered actors, your performers, you take the series, they're not gonna shaft you like that. They're gonna put like a green screen behind you.

Now, Greta, once again, as I've always said about Greta Lee,

she's always right. - Yes. - She's always right. - You've always said that.

“- You are a lovely person to hang with and talk to.”

And so we've been trying to figure out you're very busy when could we get you here on the podcast chat. And so I'm so glad you're here. - Yeah, you got me.

(laughing) - This is our first six hour podcast. - It's been never done one of these. - It's a six partner, right? - Yeah, it's a six partner.

- It's been six hours and one sitting. - Yeah, it's been coming back six times. - It's cheaper to do six hours and one sitting. - Oh, yeah. - So, and no bathroom break.

- Oh, great.

- I have my catheter and let's go.

- Oh, I'm ready. - So much to talk about, and I'd like to set the stage a little bit of your born-in-raised in Los Angeles. That your parents are immigrants from South Korea. So that culture is super strong when you're growing up.

- Super, super strong. - And you are, it's kind of, I remember it in my family, which is Irish Catholic, there were certain messages we got loud and clear

about how to behave and what's okay and what's not okay. I'm imagining it's the same thing in the South Korean diaspora. - Yeah, I'm still not in the clear. - No, like I'm still being tested.

I don't think I've passed. - What's the message that you were given, whether out loud or just subtly was it to be quiet, was it to be a certain kind of person? - Well, I don't want to be dramatic,

but it was like you are not enough. Stop being so loud, be a lady, be more respectful. Stop trying to be funny, it's just weird. - Also kind of not lady like, yeah, to be funny.

- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel it's funny. Hearing colleagues and other artists talk about, especially in people who do comedy, their childhoods filled with watching us

and held together on couch and the whole family kind of getting behind that did not exist in my household. It was like, but by the way, my family, the funniest people on this planet, hands down. However, the idea of telling a joke,

it's like, what are you doing? You want to get spanked, like what are you doing? So that all came later for me in terms of understanding that oh, comedy is a business, is a profession and you can actually do something with that.

But yeah, my childhood and growing up was deeply rooted in Korean identity.

I was also the first born in my family.

So that means I was sort of the gateway for everyone. I was the first person to go to school in the States. I was the first person. I remember teaching my parents a star-spangled banner for their citizenship test and like,

and like, that was hard.

“- You should have, if me, I would have taught them the wrongs.”

I would have made up some words in there, just to screw with them, you know? - And it's the test, isn't it? - No, but hey, if my parents get kicked out of the country, that's funny to me.

(laughing) (laughing) - You really want to? - I'm like a weird house on you. - Yeah.

- I'm just saying it's an opportunity to throw a few extra words in there. Maybe get a chuckle. - Oh, sir. (laughing)

- But I've read that your role models when you're a young woman, young girl, when you're growing up in this family, it's supposed to be ladylike. You're watching movies and you're identifying

with Val Kilmer, Nicholas Cage. - What's that all about? - With men. Well, I think it makes sense if you think about how much I was under this pressure to be more feminine,

more like hyperfan, a lady, all of that, so I just swung full throttle the other way. It's like Val Kilmer. (laughing) I mean, which I don't know was the poster child

of that kind of masculinity for me the time. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And Nicholas Cage, Jack Nicholson, those guys,

“I remember watching them and feeling like, wow,”

I want to be like that as a young girl, which I don't know, it still doesn't quite make sense to me. - Kind of does because if the repression, and I'm not using that in a dramatic way again, I'm saying like, if there is a repressive stay in your box,

sort of vibe you're getting, you need jet propulsion to get out of it. And so I can understand saying like, okay, I'm going to identify with these guys who are kicking ass in movies and throwing people

through walls because that will propel me more out of this world. I mean, it's not that you want to be them, you just want to get out of this. - Yeah, yeah.

- I think, yes, that's it. - You go to New York, you go to college in New York. - I go to college, Northwestern. I made a stop in the Midwest and that was strategic

- Yeah, because I applied early to Northwestern. I remember as a 17 year old looking at a map of the U.S. and thinking like, oh, I could go from one coast to the next I could just go from LA to New York and that would be great.

“And I think I would know exactly what that would be.”

And then I thought, wait, what's this middle area here? What's she blingin' with, Wisconsin? - What? - And I really, my mind, I was open to whole new to me a huge or cultural shift from the Midwest to how I grew up

than like other parts of the globe. I couldn't believe that there was this whole section that I just didn't know anything about and it really paid off for me actually. I mean, it has been there.

I'm like, yeah, I'm basically Midwestern. - It's funny, you were approaching your move away from home like it's this buffet table and you're not gonna go right to the end. You're gonna work your way down.

“You should have moved one state at a time”

and slowly made your way across. - Exactly, exactly, and I make it there at my desk bed and I'm like, finally, New York City. - I'm ready to have a good, oh my hip. - Oh, that was college.

- Oh, college here we go, Virginia. - So you met your husband at Northwestern and was see in the dramatic arts as well? - Yeah, I think maybe he would like people to know he was actually an urban studies major,

a sociology major who also wasn't me out with the comedy groups there. And we met through that, not because I was in me out. I was in the band that played for me out. And we were called Captain T-Bag.

- Okay, so Captain T-Bag, this was really amazing.

- And the band you ran, the place for the comedy group me out, which is where urban planners get together and do improvisational comedy. And all the time he is about, well, if we could get, - City Grins, like what's wrong with this public?

- Around about, might help ease pressure and scene. - You have worked on so many great shows, one of the shows that you were-- - You were gonna let Captain T-Bag go. - Yes, he did, just leave it.

- Because I'm a sensitive host who got a signal. - That we move on from Captain T-Bag. But you, counter-man, did it. - All right, so Captain T-Bag, yeah. - What instrument did you play?

- The T-Bag. - The vocal, I, the T-Bag. - You throw out, you wanted to go in a certain direction. I go that way and I'm not sure how I'm alive. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

- No, no, you're gonna leave that all in. - Oh, geez. - Sorry about him, it's what he does. It's fun. - So what jobs have I done?

Was that your question? - No, you could be reincarnated.

“is any tool box. You're kind of an Alan Ranch, I think. Yeah, definitely. You work on these”

amazing shows. I mean, I was thinking about it and going over like your past girl's Russian

doll. Of course, the morning show, but you did this spot on broad city, which I saw recently, because I've been binging broad city. I watched it. I watched it here and there back in the day when it was on and I really liked it. But my daughter came home from school and summertime, and she started binging it with my wife and so I sat in and I just would watch whole seasons and then go to the next season, the next season. It's fantastic and it really holds up. It's great. They're

remarkable. And I remember liking it at the time, but because of this new streaming era, you can really appreciate all the different little circuitous routes and notes and themes that run through a show. Just fantastic. Yeah, are you rewatching girls too with it? You know, it's interesting. My daughter did. I have not, but I want to go back and start it again. Yeah, that is also one of those shows that it holds up in a very, in an uncomfortable way. Like you almost wish we had

progressed a little bit more since that time as a society, but a lot of it really holds up. In what way? Oh, I think like for millennial specifically in that time, I mean, in the world, but specifically for people living in New York City, I feel like I really feel like that was the next

chapter after sex in the city that really do. Yeah. And the way and Lena, I think she's incredible

and what she was doing at that time, I think was absolutely remarkable. And yeah, she deserves all

I listened to it. You listened to it? Yeah, I don't always do that. I don't always love an audiobook,

“but for this one in particular, I think you have to listen to it. What I like to do is read the”

audio book. Very hard to do. Very hard to do whatever is being said. You put a glass of water next to the speaker and then you just watch the water vibrations and then you figure out what they're saying. You're worried about my interjections and I'm just telling you the guy that you don't know money boy. You're going to see that's going to get a lot of likes. Podcasts don't get likes. Sure, they do. Right, like this guy knows podcasts. But she's a, she's a, she's in a remarkable person

and so honest. Yeah. So honest about everything and that and, and a great writer. An incredible writer and I realize I was having like a suspended panic attack while listening to her audiobook driving in LA because you know, I, I, we're in a car so much. I've kind of thought like, oh, this is the perfect listen. It is and it's also not because it is so, she writes with such brutal honesty and it is so, it's so painful and in raging frankly, I'm a little in rage on her

“behalf in terms of the things she experienced, but yeah, highly recommend. If you want to be in”

rage while driving. This is the book for you. No, it's a, it's a, it's a beautiful book. It's an amazing document. Um, you have worked with some incredible women, Amy Poler, Tina Fey, Lena, of course, Amy Schumer and attached to Leon and so, you know, my journey, obviously, very different from your

journey, but some things are the same, which is I, in my family, I never in a million years thought

that this was any kind of a job. So, when I was in high, you know, grade school and high school, I was a nervous grind and I was funny with my friends, but I had no idea, I mean, I never saw anybody from show business in Boston, Massachusetts in 1970s and it wasn't part of my culture in anyway and then it was just through a series of accidents that I sort of got closer and closer, but when I finally did get into this world and you realize the big part of it is working with

people whose mind works kind of like your mind and in different ways and there's a whole world of people that we're also getting beat up on the playground, but now we're all together and someone's paying for lunch, it's, you know, and it's a job. That's crazy. My version of that is I actually grew up really knowing a lot about the industry, not because of my family, but because in LA, I went to Harvard West Lake, which is the very good school. The private school here in Los Angeles filled

with industry families, so I had a lot of exposure to, you know, a lot of different, very successful people early on, but the idea of what that was was presented in a way that was almost like, don't sell out, like, don't actually be like Spielberg, which is so funny to think about, like, guys, for being anyone who's like Spielberg. I don't know. And I remember in English teacher pulling this side and saying, you know, I hear you want to be an actor, I hear you want

to go to Northwestern, don't come on, don't do that. But what was she saying? I think there was this real emphasis on like, and like being an intellectual and being a real artist, whatever that meant to people. But that did, I have to say, in form a little bit of my decisions in terms of like, what I was where I wanted to go to school and what kind of moving to New York after college, I got wanted to be a stage actor, and I really wanted all of that. But to your point about finding

your people, I grew up at that time like dealing with a little bit of my identity and being Asian

American, like, basically at lunchtime, like, do I hang with the Asian kids? Where do I sit? And

it wasn't until I found the theater kid. I was like, oh, I'm just that race. I understand now. It's all fun. These are my people. And it doesn't matter where you come from,

“but if you're a theater nerd, I'm with you. That's what it is. Yeah. And yeah, it's so funny.”

I remember in another lifetime, I think I was working on Saturday Night Live as a writer, and someone noticed they put the thrombian sketches sometimes. And someone said, you should take a serious acting class. And I thought, well, okay, we have weekends off. And so I took a class with, like, you know, I think it was at Uda Hagen. I got into this class. And I thought, well, I'm going to really learn. And I remember they went around the room and every single person said, well, I would

it. I just want to do check off and I want to do it in a very small theater. And I was seen there

and I thought, bullshit. Yeah. You're just all lying. Yeah. I mean, it's fine to have those aspirations, but I just, you know, and then subsequently I've seen them all, you know, getting a burrito in it. This tastes delicious. It's crumbed Italy do. Yeah. I don't know. There's no ramp into this question. I can't wait. Okay. You committed a murder. Yes. I said, but not talk of 1999, Portland, Oregon. Off the record. Off the record. You committed a murder. No. I heard that you were,

you would sometimes get an impulsive tattoo. And I am, that's one thing I have, that's a world I've

“never, just sort of, well, your skin looks delicate. I have to say that. Yeah. What do you mean by that?”

I just, I mean, it feels, it feels vulnerable. You're saying it, I actually feel it. I can tell from where I'm sitting.

Reactive, like a mummy walked into the room. So you're saying, if I got a small tattoo of like a Yen Yang symbol, it might kill me. Possibly. Yeah. Yeah. The way it transfuses into your blood, and it's like, yeah, I don't know. I do. You know, immediately when you said that everyone here not at their head, you're just speaking a truth. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like piercings or anything? Oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Okay. All right. Yeah. What? I just, I'm really into it.

And he's fantastic. I cannot go through a metal detector at the airport, and then when I show them why they're horrified. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I'm really into that. Yeah. No, I have no piercings. I have nothing. No, I think because I grew up with bright orange hair and very pronounced freckles that faded over time, not interested in any other marks on my body. Yeah. Yeah. But what would be an impulsive tattoo for you? Something that's just like, oh my god, I can't believe I did it, but I just

went for it. Okay. Fine. You don't have to do this. No, I'll give you one. I, I was so mad about a certain election one year that I tattooed the female symbol on my finger, which was really stupid

“because it's like, it looks like I have forgotten what I am. It's like my mental for you have to”

survive. Yeah. I think when I get points right and left on their sneakers, yeah. Like it looks strange. But at the top, I mean, I put it on this finger because I felt, I mean, I don't know. I just felt like it was this moment, you know, heard of man's planning, like I felt like that was a big like, shh, no, no, no. So I put a female symbol on my finger. So now I can do that all the time this reminder. I realize recently I don't have enough testosterone to man's plane. You know,

this is just when I try to man's plane, it's just, it doesn't come across that way. It's just planning. Yeah. And women are like, no, it's okay. Yeah. Do I like from you? It's okay. From you. Just go back. I'm chatting with one of the ladies. Oh, those piercing. Okay. Let's just settle that. Okay. So this, I know comes up a lot in your interviews, but I need to tell you that when you were booked on the podcast and you've had so much different success, but some of the people on our show are that work here are sort of religious

“zealots about past lives and a really sweet way. And I know that you must get that all the time.”

Um, I do get that all the time. Which is nice. It deserves it. It's such a great movie. Thanks. You know, I do get that all the time. And I do really appreciate it. Not just be, listen, it's so nice to be in a movie that people love and, you know, it's successful. That's, that's so great. But beyond that, I still have so many people stop me and not in like an aggressive or intrusive way and just feel the need to just turn and say very simply. I love that movie so much.

Thank you so much. And to me, I think there are so many different ways we can complain about our industry and this job. And what, but I think that's like an instant reminder that like, I love film. And I love what we do and, and how great to be able to connect with all kinds of

people. Also, uh, one of the things I've noticed is you're never, it's nice to be busy. We're really

what's going to resonate. Yeah. And I'm sure you felt, okay, this project is special. But you're doing a bunch of things. You do that. And then it endures. And that's one of those films that's going to made a big impact. It is much discussed. It is much praised. But I feel like in 5, 10, 15 years. It's just going to keep going. Yeah. And then, and, and, and other things that maybe got some noise will fade a little bit. But that's one of those movies that touches on something

“very elemental. Yeah. I think so. And I like that the reason is something that feels so kind of”

elemental to just being a person. Like one of my favorite experiences was a young woman coming up

to me and saying, "Thank you so much for past lives." She said, like, "I'm 17 years old. I've never

been in love." But because of your movie, I'm so excited to be in love. Oh, holy man. I'm just like Jesus. It was like, "You shithead. Leave me alone. How dare you come up to me and with my family?" It's part of your mouth and get out of here. It's just, I mean, how could your job not hit the ground when you hear something like that from someone? And I just like, I am so appreciative. And genuinely do hope that I get to experience that for a long, long time. And obviously, your story

relating to that film because you were up for a part didn't get it. Oh my God. And you were crushed because you thought, "Well, this would have been a really good part. You moved on with your life.

“And then the original casting fell through, is that right?" I think enough time has passed”

now that I can tell the story. Okay. The murder said I've committed it. Yeah, yeah. Portland, Oregon, right? Well, I'll start with that one. No, it really was such a messy ride. And you know, it happens a lot with casting and with you, you find out, like, "Oh, I was not

only the second choice." I was like the 15th choice or whatever it is. But in this case, I really

was told by the universe several times that this was not going to be my job. And at a certain point, it just became so absurd and insulting. Because the first time I auditioned, I was convinced to do it. I didn't really think I could speak Korean well enough to do it. And that wasn't something that I was looking for, but I was convinced to the tape and then didn't get it. And it was like, to my agents, like, "Come on. I'd see, would you make me do?" And they're like, "No, no, no." You know,

they thought that you are just too old. Nice. Yeah. Don't worry. It wasn't your Korean. You're too old. But basically, that was the case because they'd cast the other rule. This really excellent Korean actor who was much younger than me. And it went to someone else and they were going to shoot it, but then it fell apart. And it came back almost exactly a year later,

“same thing. And I think I had sort of started talking to them. And at the time, this is just wild.”

But I got a call from Scott Rudin's office and he was attached at the time. And it was a message that was a long voice, you know, that was something something like, where are you? Come, you have a meeting at Cafe Clooney, you know, he's waiting something something. And I thought I

got past lives because I thought, oh my god, this is amazing. Like, I want to meet me at Cafe Clooney

to tell me that I got this job. I listened to the message, again, and again, and I played it. I sent it to my agents and they played it. And we realized collectively that the message was actually for Greta Gertwig. Oh, there's something completely, oh, no, that was for, I don't know. I've told her now since and she's, she was like, oh my gosh, I have no idea. But that was such a publicly humiliating experience because the whole, you know, all the agents were like, oh my god,

oh my god, yeah, that's, that's Rudin, that, and then collectively realizing that was the wrong Greta. And so I really thought, like, please leave me alone with this job. Oh my, and I get it. You're too old and I'm too American or whatever. Yeah, and you're no credit growing. You're the wrong Greta. Wow. And you know, it is when you have experiences like that, you think, I didn't ask for anything. Exactly. Leave me out of that. Stop coming to me,

getting my hopes up a little bit, and then slapping me around. Exactly. Stop it. So then it comes back around again, and all works out. Well, yeah. And then it was like, can you zoom with Celine tomorrow? And it was during the pandemic. And I had no time to, you know, cram and try to pretend like I'm like a different actor. No, it's go time, you know. And we read together on Zoom, and she gave me the job on the spot. And it was just, I know, I hate stories

or like so, well, you know, mostly it doesn't feel that way. There's so many things in life that

“don't happen that when it does happen, you kind of have to honor it. Yeah. Because I mean,”

I've had one major cosmic moment like that where, what was yours? How I got into this whole on-ear thing, which is how I, I mean, it's too long a story to go into, but I had no business getting this late night show when I was 29 years old. It just had no business. It shouldn't have happened. I was in no position to get it. I wasn't ready, but things kept conspiring. Yeah. Too many people did you kill to get that. Oh, my god. Well, a lot of them live. Yeah, okay.

Gamble Fallen. They all somehow survived. Yeah, Greta Greta Greta Greta Greta Greta Greta. She was the big one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, although why they called me when they were trying to get Greta Greta Greta Greta,

I don't understand. I am a scientific person. I can usually look at someone's magical story and tell them why, well, that's not really magical because this is, but every now and then I hear something and I go, yeah, there's no explanation for that. And my situation, it is truly, you know, uh, when I got the job, I knew Tom Hanks just as a writer from St. Alive, I he knew me because he would come on the show and I would write things for him and he looked at me and he pointed me and he said,

this doesn't happen. What's happening to you? It doesn't happen. I don't think it's ever happened. And he was saying it as like, in a calm historic way, it was very bizarre. And so when I try to explain that to younger people who grown up with me hacking in the background, the idea of me doing a show just seems like, well, of course, like, you've been around forever. Well, yeah, yeah, it's about, oh, take your old and multiplied by 15. And you get me. So, I mean, I honor that.

Sure. I don't get it. Something. I get it either. But is that stressful for you? No, I mean, that was illegal, but not now, but then it was, it was, oh my god, to feel like that lucky in a way. Yeah. And also when you have that kind of situation, it was some Esquire piece about me. And no one knew who I was yet and they had one photograph of me because there was no internet, there was no, I didn't have headshots and Esquire did a thing about jealousy when someone you know

has been elevated and the headline of the piece was my photograph with a, like, a bull's eye on it. Oh, boy. And I remember looking at, as before, even when on the air, looking at and going, okay, this is going to be fun. Oh, yeah. So, but, um, I guess what I'm saying is that I do think sometimes and this is not scientific and this is maybe just Irish magical thinking, but sometimes

“there is a something at work. They cannot be explained. Yeah. And I think in your case, with this”

project, it just kept coming back to me. Yeah. I mean, I think for me, it's still really hard to explain and to wrap my mind around what's happened for me. I think there, I don't, in our business,

no one is entitled to anything. I feel like I came off of a lot of years when I was first starting

out feeling really, really kind of put down by, you know, the lack of opportunities for someone like me, like forget being a girl, like all the other things. And I just felt like I couldn't believe I was still in it or trying. And there was a ton, it, I really, and I've said this before, I felt like I had already gone to my own funeral. And it wasn't, it wasn't like so desperately sad. It just felt so, like, fact. And I had made peace with it and I was living a great life.

I mean, I had my kids and, I know, I had this husband that I met in college and a really full dynamic plate of full play. And yeah, it made peace with like, I'm going to be a supporting actor.

“Like, I think I will have enough opportunity coming into just like support my family and”

enough. And this is going to be okay. I think, but I know now looking back how, well, how dead I was. And like, there is something that is, yeah, a little sad about that. Because you think, wow, that is such a human thing. Like, your dreams very often die and have to die. And we see it all the time. And then sometimes new ones happen that are so much more than you ever could have imagined, there's just no possible way to wrap your mind around it. And that's sort of how I feel right now.

Like, there's no, it's hard for me to categorize or sort of like place myself within a world of like, oh, I'm like, I'm like, Val Kilmer or I'm like this person. Yes, guys, every day I wake up. I'm like, in the mirror, and I'm like, how much I am in like, oh, it's just, it can

going to keep me going because I have the, all the tethers and all the things that I used to have to kind of measure myself and how much I was failing. All of it is just cut and it's all new and it feels like there's no blueprint. And I have no idea. So well, I was just when I was talking to you just before he came in here and you're saying, well, I'm here today about I got to jump on a plane because I'm going to London for a project and the speed of things has picked up all because

you are extremely talented. You work really hard. You know your craft and people now you're known commodity and the flip side of that is you're going to be jumping on a lot of planes and

“a part of a lot of things and so that's great. But you do have the ballast, which I think is the”

most important thing to have in this business of I've got my family. I know what's important to me.

And I had all those years of thinking this probably wouldn't happen. That really helps when things pick up the way they are now. That like everything is is cake. Everything is dessert. It's extra. Like that. It really does feel like that. I mean, of course, I have my days and there are certain jobs that are more challenging than others. There's certain situation. Of course. But I feel right now. I mean, talk check on me maybe in a month in a week. I'm just kind of

tired. I'm going to call. I'm going to call you at three in the morning. Hey, are you coming? Come on. What are you doing? Yeah. So we're going to go and say it was cake. Yeah. Now, how do you feel now? Yeah. I want to talk about this movie the last house.

Which, and I'll tell you a little quick story. I always like to see the movie of anyone who's

coming on. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, well, I know your work really well. I'm in a movie with you. We've chatted. Okay. We have a lot to talk about. But I want to see this movie. And then my assistant said, oh, it's, we got it. We're going to watch it this morning. So I came in early. And it came through Netflix. Yeah. And it starts to play. And there's no, you can't hear anybody. You can't hear anyone. And then, and everyone's every now and then you could hear a little

word. And you'd say something like, what do I just have? But then you don't hear anything. You know, you like, what do you say? I do say that in a movie. Yeah. And then we try it for while putting

“subtitles on. And I think they're not quite done mixing it yet possibly or something. I don't know.”

But they sent us this movie that, and we were all like banging, like, like chimpanzees were banging the side of the flat tree like holes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there were, there were things that weren't there yet. And it was just concerning because someone would walk, but there's no footsteps. Oh my gosh. So something, maybe some track didn't come through. And back in the day, this will date me, but you would get like a cassette or then you'd get a DVD or then, but now.

So Netflix is doing that now. They are. You didn't get the cassette. No. Damn it. It's a big three quarter inch. And they send you the machine that was built in 1981.

It's from the movie broadcast news. Great movie. Great movie. I remember my first job in 1985,

not necessarily the news. My writing partner and I showed up. And they gave us these things that look like giant mortar bricks. Oh my God. And you would put them in a machine. It would go like, then it would play whatever it is you were trying to look up. Well, now it's all here's a special code. It's going to be sent to you, son, right? You were at a restaurant not picking up your phone, having a good old time and putting it on the company. Oh, I missed one. It's your plan. I did put it on the

company. Yeah, but it was a little liquid courage at lunch? No. Okay. Whatever. Anyway. But we kept. So we're testing son as saying what's the code? What's the code? And she's like, another one. Right. And put it on sheem cocoa. And her favorite restaurant. Shea expense. And so then we finally get the code and we all gather on the TV and it took you while. Anyway, please. Anyway, you're a little hungover, but you have no sense of time. The waiter had to wake you up at the table. She's bringing a giant

pinata. I don't know how you were a pinata. My point is, we watched it. It's a complete, there's no sound. There's no sound. There's no sound. Oh, here's a pen for you. There's no, there's no sound. We're trying to watch it. But so then we went and we watched the trailer and the trailer has sound. Yeah. And we watched the trailer and I'm like, I want to see this. This looks really good. Did you do

“really cool? Like, did you think it was intentional? Do you honestly, for a moment, think like, oh,”

for a second. It's like the podcast. Yeah. It starts with your husband like on a dock fishing. And there's no sound. And I thought, this is a really bold choice. This is cool because you hear nothing. You don't even hear ambient sound. And you see lightning, but you don't hear it. And I thought, well, this is, I don't know who this director is, but they got guts. This is cool.

I'm not saying anything bad about the film. I'm just saying that was a film that has sound. And we stopped it. Well, we don't know that. So we had to stop it. Yes, says you. We stopped it like three minutes in. So I still haven't seen the movie, but we then watched the trailer and I'm like,

“I think it's a really cool idea. Yeah. Yeah. Family goes into their house. It's a normal,”

I think they live in Seattle where my wife is from. I've been there many times. Yeah. And then there's you picked up on that without sound. I think the shot is based needle and most of Pearl Jam walking around gave it away. Yeah. And people throwing fish to each other. Right, right, right. All that stuff. But then they can't get out of the house. And what's interesting to me is that initially doesn't seem that scary because what's safer than being in your house. And the cool

thing to me about the idea is that at a certain point not being able to leave your house becomes terrifying. Yeah. Just kind of what we went through in COVID. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. I mean, I loved the idea of just a regular day. And like, you know, this family and the sort of chaos of the

morning that a lot of parents know and then getting find the miracle. Like, finally, we will leave

the house and going to the door and it won't open. Yeah. And then a lot of time passing. Yes. And what is going to happen? I just, I really love that. And I love, I just love amblini kind of like those movies. I kind of thriller sci-fi survival stories. Yeah. And I thought, yeah, let's, you know, I liked Louie's ambition for it. We shot a lot of it on 35 millimeter, which I at first was like, that's crazy. Right. Right. Why? To sure. That's a lot of film. Actually, that's just an app on any

iPhone. 35 millimeter. That's so cool. And so I am, I'll tell you this, I watched the trailer and I was like, I want to see this movie when Netflix lets me listen to it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Just for that cassette. It's just some technical thing. And no one should be reprimanded for this in any way. This is things happen. Yeah. Don't you think you recommended me earlier,

“but yeah. I think drinking at lunch and putting on the company card is a bad idea. I had fun.”

Also, if you check your hearing, maybe it's just you. I don't know. That's actually hard. Maybe that's the true horror movie. Yeah. And by the way, everyone around me loved it. I'm like, you know, there's no sound and I saw everyone get really sad. Oh, yeah. Do you need tears falling? They're like, don't tell them. Yeah. Yeah. And why does it make you urinate in your pants? And I was like, oh, Conan. Well, that's part of what the movie does, right?

That's part of it. Um, Greta, how much you were grating coming in here? I mean, I know, this is great. Um, so I'm sure you have a ton of follow-up questions about the movie since you heard all of it and you've watched all of it. I did. Um, so we should like really get it. Really get into it. Yeah. Now, you took a very made of very strange choice for the way that you spoke in the film. I'm told. I haven't seen it, but here you go. It's all like, I can't say. I can't get her.

Oh, let's go on on. Yeah. We worked with real Mary in that. I think it's so much trouble. Um, the talking point, they're like, do not bring up Mary in it. But tears stop doing that, Greta. Yeah. Yeah. I love being told what not to do because then that's all I can think of. And we have it here with Ad Reads. They'll say, do not say that this

car brand will explode. Do not, and it's things I would never bring up. But then that's all I can

think about. And then I inevitably say it will make it will explode on you. And then I get in trouble.

“Yeah. But I know you're, you're that way, too. You have the same problem. That's why I'm going to”

be quiet for at least five seconds while I clear my mind. Well, you're certain. Well, you're more fined of outkill learned. Um, I, um, this has been an absolute delight, seriously. You're just a lovely person and an amazing talent. And thanks. I know you're crazy busy and we've been trying for a while to say like we getting you in here was quite a task. No. Which was in it, that's a compliment because when people tell you, I can do it whenever. I'm in my house waiting to do that podcast. It's

never a good sign. I'm talking about you, Al Pacino. Um. Oh, wait. You know what? I do want to plug

one more movie that's coming out on the same day. Okay. Um, it's called Late Fame. And it's with Willem Dafoe. And I and it's a movie that takes place in New York City, directed by Kent Jones. And it's a real special precious gem of a film that's coming up on the same day. How can we see that? In theaters. Is it also Netflix? No. Oh, good. It'll be sound. Um, last sound. Um, Nova Willem is

me December. Um, and it's the past lives team. It's Christine Machon and Pam Koffler. It's, it's amazing.

Willem Dafoe can play the most diametrically opposed characters film. Yes. And you know, I'm thinking about him in Grand Budapest Hotel where he's this hilariously comic assassin. But then he can, you know, I mean, think about the different roles he's played where it bears no relationship to the role he just did. You know, he's a shapeshifter and a lovely guy when I've talked to him. He just really lovely lovely. And the things he can do with his face. I just don't understand

his musculature in his face. And yet it's the performances for me, like Florida Project and this movie, the ones where he takes it all away. And it's just this man. I mean, he's not playing himself. But, um, where so much of the other really joyful things we get to see him do is stripped away. I find that version of him so compelling. And that's this movie. So I enjoy everyone in a house sound. And then even that film again is. Late fame. All right. Yeah. Get the word out on that

film, too. Yeah. Um, please go. Should I go now? Oh, I want you out of here. So badly. You were terrible today. Um, you're just babbling. Uh, I, um, I do hope you can come back sometime because I feel like we just scratched the surface. But, um, thank you so much for stopping by. And, um, yeah. And, uh, just things have sped up a lot for you. And that's a great thing. And I don't think I have to say this to you. But like I just wish you take care of yourself. Oh, my God.

I mean, like protect yourself, protect you in your family time and all that because it's gratamine out there. Oh, gosh. Yeah. And I know what it's like, trust me. And then I just start crying blood. Thank you. Thank you. I just found out some very exciting news. Check this out, David. What? Sony told me yesterday

“that her husband tacked to Kesian. Oh, Ryan. What's that? Tack. Brian. Does it matter?”

Yeah. It's his last name. It's not to Kesian. Okay. Well, I mean, he names don't work like that. They're not just like, I thought there was just what I mean. I mean, as long as it ended I.A. and it was okay. Yes. You know what? Some of them do actually work that way. They take the name and then they put I.A. and it. Yeah. Yeah. I was called him tacked to Kesian. But that's not it. It's for Ryan. No. Anyway, tacked to Kesian. Your husband. Father of your beautiful children, lovely guy,

funny talented. Yes, today he was, he had a huge milestone. Can you tell us what that is? He tested for his black belt, which is very in a very intense thing. And he got his black belt

after seven years. This is incredible. With this specific dojo, he got his black belt. You know what?

I would first fall. I just love that I got you to say dojo. Because it's one of my favorite words. But um, this is amazing. How many belts are there? Well, for his, because his is very traditional. There's only three belts. There's white brown and black. But there's degrees to each one. Right.

“So there, you know, there's like a, you get like, I think I don't know, three degrees of white.”

And then you qualify for brown. Then there's three. I think degrees for brown belt. And then you qualify for black. And they only test for black belts once a year. He was supposed to test last year. But he got food poisoning. Sorry. It's not funny. It's not funny. I think he had nerves. I really do. But he, he got sick and couldn't do it. So he had to wait a full year before he could test it.

That's incredible. He was so close to getting this maybe the coolest award anyone can have.

Yeah. And he got a little dummy trouble. Oh no. I got some dummy trouble. No. Yeah, but he threw up all over the dojo. No cake. You just wanted to say dojo. Maybe I did. Um, yeah. No, he tested and he did it. And I'm very proud of him. It's something he's been working for. And that's really cool. I mean, it must have been so cool for him to have

“passed that test. You must have been just feeling so good about himself. You know? Yes. I mean,”

he must have that he must have felt like I'm really in such a great. Everything's going my way. He must have had Mojo in the dojo. I was waiting. I can't. I can't. I will say. But you had Mojo on the dojo. I'm not going to say he got Mojo on the dojo. And I'm not. Thank you. Okay. So anyway, Sonna. Sonna. Yeah. This is a big deal. It is. And on my life, I've been hearing that it's cliche phrase. You better watch out. I'm a black belt in karate.

Now he gets to say that. Yeah. Because he say karate or karate. He says karate. Like he says it properly. And I think they make fun of people were like karate. Like they make fun of people. Like

have to, you know, did you have to fight a bunch of other guys? Memorized movements. Like Spar. I don't think he's Spar. But it's like it's, it's, it's a pretty intense. In my mind, it's one of those classic, you know, Bruce Lee movies where he has to work his way up a tower. You know, each room you know what I mean? Carimald, Carimald Gilgibara is in one. You know, it's different. Here's 700 inches in another. And he just has to keep working his way through. I so wish that that was the case.

But no, he just went through some various choreographs. Yeah, they like told him stuff. And he had to do it. And it's all about how smooth he is and how sharp he is. And what about breaking stuff? I don't know. I mean, he didn't really black belt. And in front of everybody who's at this special training thing, which is a lot of people from all over the country. So it's

“it's a pretty intense thing. And there was six people who were testing. I think it would be better.”

First of all, it just doesn't, this isn't make for a good story. I would have added some things. Yeah, at one point, they release six apes. And he has to support. He has to subdue them all. Wouldn't that be great? They tie, yeah, they tie bananas, uh, they tie bananas to his body. And then six apes just six ravenous apes are released. And he has to fight them all off. I don't like that test. Now was karate chopping part of the, I knew I said it before we recorded. I said, don't say anything about chopping. Okay. And I'm surprised you went this long

without saying, I went much longer than I thought it would. I've always loved the idea of someone

let's say like tack, who's a black belt. Um, before they attack someone or defend themselves say, I chop you. I chop you and then they give them a karate chop. Do you think he ever would if he was in a bad situation had a karate chop as way out of it? Would he start yelling at his assailants? I chop you. I chop you. I chop you and I'm chopping them. He's going to say, I chop you. Although, I might say,

“my husband's a black belt. He'll chop you. Yeah. Yeah, I might say that. Yeah, has he taught you any moves?”

No, he hasn't. He hasn't. I actually know he has. He's like, he's taught me some self-defense moves just so I know them, but also I'm now thee. And so because there's been a couple of instances. He breaks boards. You break balls. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big couple. But I do think I do think there's times when I've let my mouth kind of get ahead of me and then he's had to like jump in and like settle things. Oh, you mean out in the world? Yeah. You've you've because you have a hair trigger temper. I'm a

shifter. And you get mad. I've been with you when you start to get in it with someone. And yes, tack can intervene and calm you. No. He's like very old school where he like he will defend my honor and know like get into it with whoever's doing it. And because he's my muscle, he now knows

like he's always known how to like really fight. He grew up learning knowing how to fight because he was like a

little immigrant kid and people used to pick on him. Yeah. And so he's always had that, but you know, now it's like he's a black belt and karate. He'll chop you. And yes. And then, yeah, so I say you say I'll chop you. I'll chop you. Yeah, he'll chop you. Yeah, I think that would be. So you mean a situation where you're driving he's in the passenger seat. Someone cuts you off. You beep your horn. Maybe give him the finger and they yell at you and say, you can't drive. What's that?

I really really would heat jump out of the car and say, I will defend your honor. No, that mean there was an incident on a gas station once where these two people were picking on this older man and they were like threatening him when he got out of the car. And so I started yelling and then one of them started yelling at me and then tack came out of the store and he's like, don't talk to my wife that way and it got very intense. Wow. Good for him. But nothing happened

for him. What I was in that same situation and being honest, if someone was we were gas station, I was inside and someone was screaming at lies. I'd come out and say, when you're done yelling at my wife. I know, I don't know. Because I would say, well, this is your affair here. This is your business. When you're done screaming at my wife. Oh my God. I will move the car so you can pull in. Okay. You would give them your spot at the pump. That's not to be heard.

But now I can say, you know, you're yelling at my wife, my friend, tack, chop you,

“tack chop you. He chop you. He chop you good. That's why I like it. We can find your jacket like”

it's a dirty car for you. You chop you good. I feel like every guy thinks one day they'll become a

black belt in karate. I feel like that's like the sort of, I have never thought about it. You guys have never

wanted to be in karate, learn karate and then become a black belt. No, he wants to be the person who seen the most musicals nonstop and in a nine-week period karate for that. Yeah, and you should see

fun belt. It's a sassy belt. Yeah, but but Sona, I think this is very cool that he can do this now.

And I am curious if it has practical applications. Of course it does. Or sorry, cover I'll tell you.

“Yeah, I think it does. I think knowing any kind of martial art is good for you.”

Yeah. Right? You don't think so? No, no, I'm not saying I don't think so. I just am curious. I don't know. You think it's all like chopping boards and like kicking the air, but you're just wondering, does that actually translate if you're in a fight? If you're in a fight, I'm sure it does. I think it does. I'm sure it does. Yes, I think you can just see it. I think you can just say about black belts in karate. Bitch, then that's enough to scare somebody. I don't know. It's such a

cliche. I'm a black belt in karate. I would just start laughing if someone said that to me. And you would not be, no, if someone was coming into your face, no, I'm a black belt in karate, you'd be like, okay, sorry, bro. No, you'd start doing bad. Yeah, I do, bitch. Oh, yeah,

I do. I would never say bro. I don't know why I would say bro. Oh, what are you talking about?

I say he isn't it. He has no sibling of mine. And then they just beat you badly. Yeah, I once when I was late night, I one of the writers studied martial arts and he's since passed away Brian Rich, but he's a really funny writer, really, and it's tragic that he's gone. But I once he was

“very serious about studying, I think, martial arts and I told him that I had studied a defense”

called the cube where you trace the outlines of a cube with your hand and you never stop and you cover me side. And I said, if you do that, you can't penetrate the cube with a blow. And I would do the cube to him and he would go to like slap me. And basically, I would just then move my hands so that would knock the hand that was slapping at me. But I had nothing to do with the cube.

But I kept talking about the cube and I think I drove him insane because he kept saying, well,

I don't understand how, what do you mean it's the cube? You're not doing anything. You're just the minute my hand starts to come near you. You just battle on my hand. But what is the cube? I'm going to be like, no, it's the cube defense. It's been worked out mathematically. And if I trace that and if you can see this on video, I would just do this and say it's the cube. Your mind, he's mining a cube. I'm mining making a cube with my hands by moving my hands around in a, you know,

geometric pattern. Yes. And the least threatening thing I've ever seen. You look like you're vlogging. Yeah, it looks like it looks like it looks like I'm vlogging. It looks like I'm vlogging, but I would say it's the cube man. Nothing gets through the cube. It just made him crazy. And then when my son was old enough, when he was like seven, I started telling him, yeah, I know the cube defense. I started doing the same bullshit with my son. And he was like, what does that mean? It does

“know you're just, that's not anything. What is that? So that's why he doesn't talk to me. It's a”

wonder you haven't been, can I be a very sincere. It's a wonder you haven't been beaten up more than you have been up. I know. It's surprising you haven't been beaten up more. But I think in a way, maybe God made you tall because he knew this would be how you are so that it would be, you would be threatening looking. I don't look. I'm not actually threatening. Do you see me in person? I don't look like someone you'd necessarily want to mess with. It's quite large. Yeah, and you're

in good shape. And you look like you could. Also, I have so much on tap rage. I think that would work in my apartment. Do you agree with this? I agree with this. I would go, you know, I do think I have a lot of anger and I'm very physical. So I might snap. I'd be more hesitant to fight the guy with the cube than the guy who says he has a black belt. Because you don't know what I'm getting. Because you see him. Because you see him. You're unpredictable. Well, that's an ill and unwell. Yeah, and who knows,

no one wants to fight crazy. Yeah, no one's fight crazy. So congratulations to tap. Yes, very proud. Right. And I'll get this right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope you don't chop you. Oh my God. He's not going to chop me. Don't say chop. I chop you. I chop you. I chop you. I chop you. And I chop and I chop and I chop again. It's just so funny if you would narrate his karate chops like that. I chop you now I chop you again. Now I chop you three times. That's a chop and a chop and a chop. It's not how karate.

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