Captain's Orders (Criminal+)

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And right now, you can use special promo code plus 25 to get 25% off an annual membership. Again, the place to sign up is patreon.com/criminal. Okay, here we go. Welcome to Criminal Plus. I'm Phoebe Judge.

I'm Lauren Spore. And Lauren, I have been wearing a jacket and long underwear all day today. In North Carolina, the heat has been broken in my house for the past five days. I don't think that I have my body temperature has gotten above 72 in a week, freezing cold.

Where's the repair? It's, you know, I feel like when a state that isn't prepared for cold weather has a spell of cold weather, crisis and chaos pops up at every corner. And to get someone here, it's like you're asking someone to build the Empire State Building. We're trying to get someone here, but it is freezing cold, which is why I'm have been

wearing a jacket for a week. Lauren, I can't believe I didn't tell you about the story.

“I believe that I did document this in kind of real time as it was happening when I was”

on the airplane.

But I never actually got to tell you what happened.

Now, I never heard we have been hearing, I would say, since the end of the pandemic, about airline passengers getting unruly in ways that I had never heard before, do you, do you agree? Yes, brawls breaking out on airplanes. And I hadn't really seen any of this behavior until a couple of weeks ago.

I was sitting on an airplane and I really couldn't afford for the plane to take off too late. So I was trying to get somewhere. And if the plane was going to be too late, I might as well just scrap the whole trip. So I'm sitting on an airplane and just like you, I am at all attention at all times

during a flight. You are at your attention is peaked for another reason, which is just complete airplane in the air. Keep the clear and panic. Mine is just curiosity.

I want to know what's going on. It is you and I travel in awful lot and I have been a delta loyalist for 25 years. I very high status on delta, diamond status, which you are not diamond. I have been diamonds since 2000 and 2013. Oh, my god, but I'm not anymore.

I just got kicked down to platinum, and that's a whole other story. But anyway, so I'm diamond status. And if you have a high status or the perks, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, the diamonds. You just get buckets of diamonds. No, really, what do you get free upgrades?

So you buy whatever ticket, and if you're diamond, you're very likely to get upgraded no matter what. You are almost certain to get delta comfort upgraded. You are very likely to get upgraded to first class.

“I think that's a perk of living in North Carolina that people don't think about.”

Is that if we lived in New York City, we would not have any status. But because how many people are flying from already to Boston at 6am, and so the likelihood of getting upgraded is higher. Right.

I mean, if you were trying to go to Atlanta, I never get upgraded.

But if I'm trying to go somewhere like Chicago, Boston, Dallas, Memphis, you know, very good chance. I'm going to get anyway. So I had been upgraded. So I was sitting in the first row, which is why I was so previously, one, I was

in one seat. So I'm there on the aisle, and all of the sudden, one of the flight attendants comes past me. The boarding door is still open. And the flight attendant says to the other, the female flight attendant says to the male

flight attendant, we have a problem. And immediately my year is just, I am at attention. And she said, there's a man in the exit row who will not give me verbal confirmation that he has agreeing to participate. You know, when you send the exit row, the flight attendants come to you, and they say, can

I have everyone's attention. And you are supposed to look at them, and then give verbal confirmation, are you willing to be unable to assist, and you're supposed to say, yes, I will. This man, so she said this, and I, she said he's refusing to take his headphones off. He won't look at me, and he will not give me verbal confirmation that he is willing

And she said, I don't want you to do about it.

He's going to have to move. He's going to have to move. He can't sit there.

“And the other flight attendant, the male flight attendant, who had been at the front, who I think”

was maybe the lead flight attendant said, okay, let's just put him in another seat. And she said, well, I would, I would really like if someone else could go and talk to him, because he's just like not, he's not listening to me, he's refusing to move to another seat. He's just not.

And I can't have him sit there. He's not complying, which I think, as we've heard about, there are air marshals, and where there are secret delta represented, the airline representative, sometimes fly on planes. And I can imagine that that would be a requirement, and if you, you would want to make sure that everyone had complied.

So another man, another flight attendant, says, I'll go talk to him moving seats. Now in the meantime, the captain had come out of the cockpit. He was going to use the bathroom, and said, I don't like it when they do that. Once they go in there and close the door, I want them to stay in there.

Well, the boarding door is still open.

So the captain had come out and said, what's going on? And the lead flight attendant said, we have a problem with the passenger who will not comply with exit row instructions. And the pilot said, well, then he's off the plane. And I heard the pilot say this, and I thought something, this is going to happen on a flight

I'm on. So the flight attendant who had gone back to kind of say to the man, you're going to have to move seats. You can't sit there. Or you're going to have to get off the plane.

Agreed, unwillingly, he came in and moved two seats, two rows behind me, where there was an open seat. And the flight attendant said, even though you're creating a huge problem, we're going

“to move you to first class, he, I think, decided to pick his own empty seat.”

He, you know, he, yes, he did. I mean, but it was like a present. I don't think they said what seat you could choose to. I think they said you're going to have to move to an empty seat.

And he just said, well, then I'm going right here, you know, he kept saying, I paid for

an extra room seat, which was exit row, you know, you pay for a preferred. So he sits down and the flight attendant comes back to the lead flight attendant says, okay, he's moved seats. And the lead flight attendant says to this other flight attendant, the captain says he's off the flight.

And the flight attendant says, well, he's already moved, like he's not going to get off the flight. And the lead flight attendant says, well, if he won't get off the flight, then we'll have to call the police. And then the gate agent comes on the plane.

And the gate agent says, well, you know if we call the police, we have to debug the whole entire plane. The minute the cops come on to the plane, everyone has to get off. And I'm thinking, this is, what do I do? So they go back to the man and they say, excuse me, sir, you actually have to get off

the plane. You can't take this flight. The man comes right up to the front there, you know, the little area and says, I'm not leaving. I pay for this.

Let me talk to the pilot. I want to talk to the pilot. And I am right there. I'm one sea. And I'm thinking, this is maybe a little wild to me.

But I'm thinking if things do, do start getting heated. I could get an elbow in the eye. I didn't know what to think. I was ready.

“So I think he's going to kind of storm the cockpit now.”

The pilot comes out, it's very-- he's a star. I had a grace to speak with him, fascinating. He's a star, Australian, young Australian man, the pilot. And says, he said, you told me the man said, you told me why I have to get off.

I bought this ticket. I'm not getting off this plane. I am not getting off this plane. And the pilot said, I'm very sorry, sir. But that's my decision.

And we need people to comply. And that is my decision. You're going to have to hold the flight. Did you know the pilot's had this kind of power? I didn't.

But it was very interesting. Because the way that the lead flight had said it to the other flight said, the pilot says, he's off fast. No. And once the pilot says that, he's off.

So the guy's not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere. He's demanding. He's getting confrontation with the pilot. And the pilot says, you can either get off this plane,

or I'm going to, or we're calling the police. And the man says, call the police, and I'm thinking to myself, now, that's not the decision I would make. I would just take it up with delta representatives, 1,800, and get off the plane.

And I'm also thinking, if he doesn't get off this plane and the cops come, I'm screwed. Totally screwed. And what is going to happen? Are they going to take more in handcuffs?

So he's standing right there. And then the agent, I don't know what the gate agent does. The gate agent who's in the mix says, sir, why don't we just talk right here? That's fine.

Why don't we just talk right here? And the man slowly, like the gate agent is talking to him. And the man's following gets him to the jet bridge, right? And the flight has slammed the door shut. Shut up.

I'm not getting any slamming door shut. And they say the pilot says, we're going.

So did they make any kind of announcement?

“Now, one announcement was the mood sort of chuckling or angry.”

What was the mood? The fascinating thing was that the man all the round me had their headphones on and were not paying attention. It seemed to me like I was the only one documenting this wild. People back in 23 had no idea what was going on.

It was a really-- but it was just-- I would, and I still had a known, if I was 20. Your radar would be up. But the interesting thing was to learn that the pilot does have that totally authority to say, you're out of here.

And that the gate agent-- that they didn't even have to do any formal documentation. All the gate agent had to do was war him off the plane. And they slowly, slowly, backwards. Yep.

And they slammed that big front door shut. And we were gone on our way to Chicago. Well, I received some text messages, but I had no idea that that was the editing incident. That was a full-- I mean, my text messages, knowing me,

they could have been-- They were a little dramatic, but they could have been a little bad. I knew who I was dealing with as a storyteller,

“so I was able to filter it through that.”

Your favorite storyteller on it. That's right. And then you also did send some photos. I took a video. Have you seen these videos online?

There's sort of comedy videos of people's eagerness, like people holding their trash on an airplane, like eagerly waiting their turn to politely hand it so efficiently and quickly to the flight attendant, that I can relate to that when I am sitting

in an emergency exit row, and I'm waiting for them to make eye contact with me, so I can immediately and efficiently give my verbal concern. Yes. Yes, not at all, not at all.

Headphones off, fully respectful listening. So the idea, even can you imagine being one of the people sitting next to that guy? I know. Whew.

Lauren, I was also thinking in the middle of the night about something that we were trying out, which I was initially worried about.

Because it's something we've never done before.

You mean telling everyone what's coming up? Yeah. So this is a post on Patreon where we describe all of the criminal episodes, all of the love episodes, giving subscribers a look at the whole month ahead.

Everything that's coming out on all the shows. I mean, for so long, the fun thing about both of these shows and having these anthology shows is that, you know, we get to surprise listeners, right? Every week, you don't know if it's going to be

sort of from 1800s or 2015, a man, a woman's funny, serious. That's always felt like a fun thing to me. And so, yeah, I did wonder if we were, if that would be a bummer to let people know it was coming up. But I don't think it's so spoiler-ish.

It's more just like, hey, thank you for your support. You know, here's all the ways we're going to make really good on at this month. Here's everything coming up. Well, let us know, if you are kind of closing your eyes

and not looking at those emails and those posts, which are telling you what's coming up, please let me know because I'm kind of in your camp that I don't really want it. I mean, I really do know that. We talked about what we could do it as a look back

or we could do it mid-month to split the difference. So it's in progress. Remember, we asked in a previous episode, do people like our episodes being, our episode descriptions being a little bit vague,

or would they like to have, you know, a lot more concrete info about what's in this episode? And overwhelmingly, their response was, we love it vague. We love it. But then some people did say that after they,

they like this surprise of listening to the episode having no idea what's coming. But then when they want to go back and find something from years later, they sort of wish that they could have it both ways,

that they would be like a more concrete way to search. Which frankly, there is now that we have really, really up-to-date transcripts. So you could search for something more concrete.

You could also always just email us.

We're really fast about saying, oh, you're thinking of this one. Here's the link. I get that, I get a text from friends a lot.

“I think, was there a, was there an episode about a school bus?”

Someone stole a school bus? What, what, what one was that? That happens to me a couple times a week. Last episode, we inaugurated a new reading group. We started with a Hemingway Short Story,

which was, this was born out of controversy that I said, haven't we all heard enough about Ernest Hemingway? And you challenged me to read a short story and we put it up for everyone on Patreon. We read the story, we read a short story,

a very, very short story called Indian Camp by Ernest Hemingway and Phoebe, I have to hand it to you. You were right about it is very good. (laughs) - This is the story of a,

well, this is one of the Nick Adam stories.

So it's a young-- - The first Nick Adam story.

- It's a young boy traveling with his father in an uncle as father's a doctor. To, in the middle of the night, to an Indian camp where there's a woman who's struggling to give birth

and it's kind of what happens in this room while Nick is looking at the scene,

really struggling to deliver a baby.

“And that's pretty much it, I mean, it's a very quiet story.”

- I think it, I was surprised. I felt sort of like, such a cliche because I was so surprised how many times it would move, it would just move away from the action. And I thought that was very, very sad and very good.

And I was like, oh, right, this is the whole thing that made him so famous. - Here's what I think. Just keep a little book of those short stories near you, Lauren. And just open it up, you know,

and pick a story every once in a while. You might be surprised. I was, I have to admit I was really surprised. So what's the next one that I should read? - Oh, I don't want, no, no, you're gonna tell us

the short story to read.

- I mean, what I wanted in the next hamming way,

I thought it was a very, I thought it was a real, real, whole emotional experience for so few pages. I really have to hand it to you. - The short happy life of Francis Maycomer. Okay, I'm not gonna say that's an upper, but I a big

worded river, I love that, and that's one, that's one I'm gonna recommend, and I'm gonna think you're gonna come back and say, that one didn't, that didn't do it for me Phoebe, but maybe. There is, I know you're gonna recommend a short story,

“but I think we've talked about this before.”

You and I both have a hard time talking about the specific short story, which is the saddest thing I have read. And that's Miss Brill, the Katherine Mansfield short story. - I think we should just make that the next pick.

You had read it in a long time, and we both love it. - Yes, absolutely. - Should we do that? Okay, so I've picked, okay, I've picked Indian Camp Hemingway. Now we'll pick one that both Phoebe and Lauren,

do come together on that we have discussed this short story for years now, and it's one year, what year was Indian Camp like 1939? - No, earlier. - No, oh yes, 1919.

- I believe in 2024, okay, Indian Camp was 1924, and Miss Brill is from 1920. - Get ready to have some sort of an experience. I'm not gonna tell you what type of experience you're gonna have reading Miss Brill,

but there's nothing I've read that has given me more compassion for people, I think. There's something about it that is pretty hard. - It's for you in particular, I feel like you, it's really like a touch point for you.

- Yeah, a lot of the most emotional person. - A lot of times in my life, I'll reference Miss Brill, and I have to you before, you know, I said that I can't, it's Miss Brill, and the reason is because there is a woman

who I used to see with my sister Chloe, who reminded me of a Miss Brill character,

and she was always at the cultural center in Chicago

or my mother worked, and so when things are too much, too sad, too lonely, remind me too much of times that I've been lonely or tried too hard and no one cared, I say it, that's cultural center,

and that's kind of the inside lingo for, I can't talk about it, it's too much, it's too Miss Brill. Anyway, okay, so that'll be our next, and then you'll pick the next one. - All right, Miss Brill.

- Phoebe, in the last episode you referred to your daily smoothie, and we got a note from a listener named Jessica, asking for the recipe. - Oh, very simple, three scoops of, well, I'm not a serving of your protein powder of choice.

I use one, because it has no flavor, it's made with mung beans. I hate an artificially sweet protein powder or a flavored protein powder. So I use this one called one,

“but I think they also make the fake eggs,”

which I kind of like abuse any protein powder of your choice. I'm gonna recommend that you go for a higher protein without added sugar. I then, one scoop of creatine, leave it out or not. One tablespoon of flaxseed,

one tablespoon of chia seed. You're doing all this measuring for us saying the morning? I know, pretty little back in my hand now, yeah, it's pretty simple. And then I put in about a cup of,

maybe sometimes a cup and a half, I'm feeling wild, a frozen wild main blueberries. This is key. It can't be just organic blueberries, wild main blueberries.

Canada's okay also. I get the bag at Costco, but why men's makes one, you can make a trader Joe's has a wild, I think it's a wild blueberry from Canada, but that's the key component.

About two tablespoons of Greek yogurt, zero percent fat Greek yogurt, which I use that, F-A-G-E.

- F-A-A-A. - You use anyone you want,

but again, plain, unflavered, no sugar, and about a quarter of a banana.

“And then I used to put in coconut water,”

but I don't anymore, I just fill it up with some filtered water right to the top, and you blend it up and that's the smoothie. You're doing it every single day. - Every single day? - All right, yeah, every single day.

- Thank you, Jessica. Phoebe also, I'm the subject of Ms. Brille and Cultural Center. I wanted to ask you three questions from the New York Times artist series.

Are you ready? - Yeah. Question number one, what embarrasses you? Dancing. Oh, karaoke. Anything performative like that.

Which is so funny because you stand on a stage, holding a microphone. Yeah, but that's different. Dancing. What about, what if you needed to do formal dancing

could you enjoy that? - Yeah, if I was following a pattern, I could do line dancing. You know, people do, no, I could, because it's following something.

Do this, do that. It's more, kind of, you know, feeling the spirit of something and daily. The idea of ecstatic dancing makes you want to have a heart attack.

You know, it's that type of a situation.

“All right, question number two, what are you reading?”

Well, I, boy, I just finished that wonderful book about the winter. I am reading, which I haven't gotten to talk to you about yet, which is kind of a giveaway because I really am think we should do this for criminal.

I am reading a book about murders in Greensboro, North Carolina called "Bitter Blood."

The crimes we've never talked about before.

We've never talked about them before. This is a book that came out in 1988 by a newspaper reporter in Greensboro, North Carolina, Jerry Blood, so. And it's detailing this rash of murders

in wealthy southern families. I have no idea why we haven't come across this. The book is about a thousand pages long. And I have been told that it is riveting and the writing is fantastic.

And I just started it last night. Where did you get it? A friend brought it over. He had read it. He had a cold and read it in three days.

I think it's out of print and brought it over. And I just thought it looked interesting. I picked it up. This is what we need. We need to return to our roots of basing episodes

on old out of print books. Well, I've got a lot of that at the beginning. I remember I used to volunteer at the library and all the old ladies would set aside the most terrifying crime books and give them to me.

And we would usually not use them, but sometimes we did. I'm back. I've got one for you. It's a thousand pages, but I'm really--

it's a little-- sometimes around here, we use the-- we say cultural center, but we also say-- it's a little people.com. You know what I mean?

It's a little people.com in a good way. So that is what I mean. The thing is, everything that's people.com doesn't have to be done like people.com. That's true.

All right, question number three. Who's work makes you the most jealous? Lauren's book. Oh, Phoebe. Wow, I didn't even miss a beat.

Tip of my tongue.

“I think everyone's work makes me jealous.”

I feel like I'm constantly thinking, how do they do that in everything? Every little thing, writing, and music, and films,

and I always think to that, how do they do that?

Boy, isn't that good? So I can't tell you because I think it better all the time. Well, I was going to say someone's work who didn't make me jealous was the Night Manager season two. Boy, I finished the last episode.

What was that wild shot of Olivia Coleman? I was upset. I was frustrated by the end of the season, and I was really enjoying it, and I thought the finale was terrible.

It was so violent, and there was no even kernel of curiosity for us. I thought it was horrible. Dickey wins again. I mean, I was like, what are we meant to read

into the Sun's facial expression? Like, I was like, where is the gravity of this? Why are you subjecting us to this with no, nothing of interest? I didn't think.

Well, he's just a monster, right? It's just a monster guy, I care. Well, no, but that's not good enough. Well, I listen, I didn't like it either. I was thinking though, and I was realizing

that there's this big fat about this show, the pit. I can't watch it because I don't like blood. Well, I do like blood. I do like the show, and when I was growing up, we were only allowed to watch

one television program a week during the weekdays, and it was ER. How did you agree? Three children. It was, there was no need for agreement.

I mean, we were just all on the same page. It was very, absolutely, very clear choice.

they're doing something different. They're not putting them all out at the same time. They're putting them out once a week. And I realized they put this show out Thursdays at 9 p.m. It comes every week.

It's the same exact time that ER was put out, was aired. Nine o'clock, central, so 10 o'clock Eastern. Every Thursday night, it would come out. For years, that's when ER came out.

“And now that's what the pit is doing, too.”

Nine o'clock Thursday nights. I thought that was kind of a nice, I mean, maybe I'm making this up that it isn't a, that it's just a coincidence, but I don't think so. It's weirding me out that during our childhoods

our destination television watching times would not have been the same.

I know, I always thought to myself,

isn't that people in the East Coast? Isn't that odd? Like they have to stay up so late. It was always, and now that I live on the East Coast and I'm East Coast time, it is very street.

I still think about that. You know what else, also dated, maybe you and me, we were in a pitch meeting the other day. And I brought up, I've been thinking about the Tylenol murders and how we wanted to do that story

forever and that the crime was interesting, I guess, but what was really interesting was the panic and how people had changed people's shopping habits, changed how pill bottles, everything, the fallout of the crime.

And I started thinking about Jack and the box, do you remember the Jack and the box, the outbreak the whole life that many people died? And we were in this meeting, pitch meeting,

“and I said, I think it'd be really interesting to do something,”

but Jack and the box and even to this day,

I would never go to Jack and the box.

And I was shocked at how few people in the team knew about Jack and the box. You mean, knew about the brand at all? Or just the big Jack and the box terror, the story, which I feel is like seared into my mind to this day.

Don't you? - Yeah, absolutely. - It also just went terrible to terrible brand. - I guess, sort of, Nightmarish? - Yeah, yeah, I've never been, so I don't know how the food is,

but I think we may try to do a Jack and the box story, again, focusing on the cover-up that the company tried to do, but also the fallout that happened. You think about people just stopped going to this major major chain, because they didn't know, and they didn't know,

and the mystery of why people were getting sick. - When was that? - Night, okay, wait, let me see.

1993, a major corporate crisis from an E.C.O.L.I. outbreak,

wow, the largest and deadliest food crisis associated with restaurants to this day. It resulted in the deaths of four children, and it made more than 700 people sick in multiple states. - I think we're gonna do the story.

I think there's so many different interesting angles for that story, so we haven't recorded no interviews for that, and I just brought it up in a pitch meeting yesterday, but I would like to do some research and digging on Jack and the box. - I mean, the panic, I feel if I open any kind of sealed food package,

and it seems like it's even slightly damaged, or like the seal is in some way, I'm perfect. - How about this wild panic that happens to me often? It happened to me yesterday. You get into the car, and you have your water bottle there,

and your water bottle is open, and there's a sip gone, and you, but not a big sip, and you can't remember, if you took a sip, or if this is full of chemicals, this is poison. - But why does that happen when you get into the car?

What are you talking about? Like you left it in the car? - Like I took a little bottle, the storm was happening, so we had some extra bottled water.

“I'm trying to drink through it, that's how,”

and so I grabbed it, and maybe I took a sip, as I was leaving the house, getting into the car, or maybe someone else took a sip, and I was telling you the story, another airplane story, the time I was sitting on a delta flight,

and they give you these little bottles of water, and I was sitting next to a man, and I took a sip of the little bottle of water, and realized that it was his, and then what? How do you already taken a sip?

- Yes, I took a sip, and I didn't know what, I just thought to myself, what happened in Australia, pneumonia, bubonic plague. I just had this, yeah, I played it, yeah, of course I, what, yeah, I played it straight,

what was I gonna do? - You could have said to him, I'm so sorry, I think I just took a sip of your water, so you wouldn't drink after you. - No, you didn't do that, you did nothing.

- In our last episode, I said I want to inaugurate a new feature, which is called Headlines with Lauren, where I tell you some news that you might appreciate any might have missed, so last time I told you that, since 2013, Costco has had Pepsi in the food court,

but now they are returning to having Coke, and frankly, we got a lot of response from other people who were also excited about that, so it's happy to share, so I have some more,

First object is a term I saw in line called finger princess,

and I'm not trying to drag you,

“but I think that you might be one, do you know what this is?”

- No, it's Korean slang, for someone who will not look something up, that is very obvious. So if you're in a group, if you're in a group chat, and someone says, let's meet at the restaurant at seven, and then three messages later, someone will say,

"When and where are we meeting?" So basically, it's the friend who wants other people to do the research for them, even if it's something simple. - I think this is you. - A finger princess?

- Yes, you will say, what was the name of that episode? - Even though you're just as capable of any of us, as any of us, of Googling it. - Oh, I will, okay. So instead of me going back and looking,

I'll just say Lauren, we'd 100% true. Katie Bishop, you'll be like, what time is the meeting? - No, and well, you also have a calendar. We're on the same invitation. - Katie Bishop, every single month,

we're doing expense reports, and some are on mine, and some are on hers. And every month, I say to Katie, can you summon the New Yorker, the New Yorker? Can you summon the New York Times blogging again?

- Yeah, and then maybe if she doesn't respond to you, fast enough, you'll text me and say,

“what's the password for the Criminal New York Times account?”

- Right. - But we all have access to the same place. We can all get it from the exact same place with the same amount of effort. So you, Phoebe Judge, are a finger princess.

(laughs) - Like, yeah, okay. - And then number two, did you know that there was a new planet that was found that is quite similar to Earth?

It is the same radius, and it moves at a similar speed around a star. So they're saying that it is the earthiest planet, yeah. - That's a bright.

- This is the first planet candidate

with an Earth-like radius and orbital properties. And so what they're saying it is going to, it is bright enough, and it is worthy of substantial follow-up observations. Same size as Earth, it has, it orbits a nice orange star

in one year, give or take, and it's in a habitable zone, although they said like, at the far, far edge of what's a habitable zone. I thought that was really exciting news, 146 light years away. - What country has the most lakes on Earth?

- Can I have a clue? - You wouldn't expect it. Greenland, right-ish area. Iceland, Canada, you and I went to a museum that overlooked this country across a body.

- Oh, Sweden, Sweden. - Fascinating. We went to a beautiful museum called Louisiana in Denmark, but from the museum you can see Sweden. That was a good clue.

- Thank you. - Well, Lauren, I have been enjoying headlines with Lauren. I hope that, hey, bring some next time.

“- Great, thank you, and what about three favorite things?”

Will it have you been enjoying lately? I can start if I'll show I wasn't enjoying and I'm no longer enjoying was the Night Manager. I'll do respect to the creators, but that didn't work for me. So then afterwards, I just really needed something

that was gonna be upbeat. So something I've been enjoying lately is the studio. Have you watched this, the Seth Rogen Comedy? - I'm tried. - And what happened?

- Didn't like it. I mean, after that finale of the Night Manager, this is exactly the speed that I am looking for it has tons of celebrities playing themselves, making fun of themselves.

It moves really fast. The costumes are really funny. Like the costumes start to make it look, his costumes make it look like it's set in the 70s, but it's not.

And then Katherine Hahn is the brightest light of that show. And her performance is exquisite. It's really difficult to watch Seth Rogen be so bad at his job, but very, very funny and well done, I think. But that show is a pick me up.

- The first thing that I've been enjoying lately

is watching, not just the televised, best in group Westminster, dog show. But you can go online and type in any dog breed and watch the breed judging as well. You know what I'm saying?

So if you had a special interest for me Black Russian Terriers, I would could go and type 2026, Westminster dog show, Black Russian Terrier judging, and I get to see the group judging as well, which is really, really interesting to see dogs

that look so similar and to figure out why the one that was picked was picked. - You know what I'm saying? Are you saying the dog show itself is edited? And so you can sort of see the outtakes

- Well what you can see is, let's say you have the working group,

“which I have an interest in the working group.”

Every breed of the let's say 30 breeds that are comprised of the working group has a winner. So there is a Black Russian Terrier and there's a Tibetan mastiff and everything else. But they have one earlier that day,

in a group of 20 other Black Russian Terriers, do you know what I'm saying? They were deemed the best of their breed and now their breed is gonna try to be the best of the working group.

- So you can go back and put in a little chihuahua is any dog you like, dull mations and just get to see which of these, and I think that's kind of fun. - Okay, that's a great, that's a good one.

My number two is a natural deodorant and I won't go into too much detail here, but I've tried them all and I thought it was a lost cause but I'm enjoying one. It's called the brand is called Nala N-A-L-A

and the one I got is Sandalwood and Bergamont and I think it works. - I have strong opinions on deodorant

“and I have been a loyalist to one for many years.”

- I know, I like it too. - It's not cheap. - The smell of that one is pretty strong. - In a good way. - It is a great smell and I have myself asked you

what perfume are you wearing

and the answer is the ASAP deodorant.

- You stop, I forgot what to say again. - I say ASAP. - That's not right though. - I'm just gonna keep saying ASAP. - Anyway, it does smell great, but that is strong.

At the smell is too strong sometimes. Like you're getting your car and you're like a kept breath. - My number two is a new development in my life which I'm not gonna say is gonna be practical for many of the people maybe listening to this

who are living in apartments or in cities or don't have an interest that would want them to buy one of these. I have recently become the new owner of something called a green egg.

- No, the grail, the grail. This was given to us by people who are moving who couldn't take it and so I've been intimidated by this thing. It looks like a gigantic ceramic egg. It's green and it does things like it acts like a grail

but also like a smoker and an oven. And I was very intimidated by it. But I decided in the middle of the snowstorm last weekend which was really an on event, but I was grilling in the snow which I love to do, that I would take my time

and try to do it right. And I smoked a spatch-cocked chicken. Oh my god. And our lives are just so different. And I had a great time and I took my time

and I did it slowly and I did it right. And I didn't rush, I rushed through everything and make a mess of things a lot. But I took, and I thought it turned out really well. So I have been enjoying learning how to use a green egg.

And this is a plug for grilling outside in cold weather. It's one of my favorite things. It make yourself some sort of summer barbecue outside. A meal that you would usually have in the summer. Do it this weekend.

Even if it's cold, bring it in and you'll just be happy. - I was very surprised as we had two recent snowstorms in our Carolina. The sort of emphasis on the local news on not bringing your grill indoors. And I was like, god, I just don't want that.

But never in occurred me.

Apparently it's the cause of major exphyxiation every year and house fires, because people think they can do two things at once, warm their house and cook their dinner. Anyway, my number three is a book by Marilyn Robinson, called The Givenness of Things.

It's a book of essays and she has a sort of thesis that we're living in a time of what she calls joyless urgency, where we are obsessed with being busy and freaking out all the time. She's constant anxious, busyness, obsession with productivity and a lack of personal fulfillment.

“And so far, I think the book is really beautifully written.”

So it's my number three. - The third thing that I feel like I'm recommending things and you're going to think I'm just kind of a supplement nut. You know, I took book. But it is a vitamin, or maybe a supplement,

it's called L-theonine. Mm-hmm, maybe you're at about it. - Well, I know that it's naturally found in green tea, and it's supposed to be why green tea promotes a feeling of well-being, or like helps with anxiety.

- And sleep. And so I've been taking L-theonine, and I highly recommend it. - What's the, what's the appeal? - It's appeal. I did have a dream the other night

that I was at a Dave Matthews concert by myself. - Whoa. (laughs) - No, that is cultural center. - Yeah. So, we're just sensing, I wasn't really, I wasn't really dancing,

but no, I wasn't dancing, I was a loitering.

and I think it might be the L-theonine.

I don't know how I could have gone. - Wow, I mean, that's okay.

“Have you ever been to a Dave Matthews concert?”

- No, absolutely not.

I attended one when I was 15 years old in West Palm Beach, Florida,

and it was wonderful. You know, I see pictures of people who go to these Dave met, and they seem to be in a happier place. - Yeah, I just don't remember.

“I remember people literally like collaboratively tossing”

a beach ball in the air, with like palm trees everywhere, as outdoor concert. It's a, it's a, it's a grateful dead fish light. You know, it's in that same realm of, it feels a little bit more, it has like an overtone of sports

that I don't think we get.

“I think it's a little bit more ultimate for his being fused.”

- Not a care in the world. Well, thank you all very much for listening.

Again, you can always get in touch with us

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