The Quintuplets

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She was due in July. On May 28, she went into labor very early in the morning. Her aunt came to the house. She'd help deliver Elzer's babies before.

“And in the girl comes and sees that things just don't seem right. Elzer doesn't- she's just not well and she's frightened.”

Author Sara Miller. And so they call the local midwife and the two midwives deliver one, then two, and then in shock three baby girls. In the meantime, they have also had Oliva go for the doctor, go get doctor Daypho.

So the doctor arrives just as the third baby is delivered and he scrubs up and he assists in the delivery of two more infants.

How big are these babies? They're so tiny. They are all five of them together way under 14 pounds. The doctor, Alan Roy Daypho, had helped deliver a set of quadruplets 26 years earlier, but none of them had lived more than a week. There were no records of any quintuplets anywhere in the world that had survived longer than 50 days. He then looked at the babies, and made a statement to the midwives. They're not going to be life-comb daylight. I'm going home.

Brian Callahan, Elzer, and Oliva's grandson. As Dr. Daypho was leaving, Oliva's brother Leon arrived. The doctor told Leon about the five babies. He actually called the newspaper in North Bay called the North Bay nugget, and acquired about placing a birth notice in the newspaper. And he asked if I noticed for five babies would cost more than just a regular notice for one baby.

The editor thinks it's a joke. He's like, "Leon, you're kidding me. Come on." And he says, "No." His sister-in-law has just given birth to five little girls, and the editor says, "It's free. We're going to print this one for nothing." That morning, about six hours after the birth, a reporter and photographer from the North Bay nugget arrived at the Dion's house. Elzer's aunt let them inside to take a picture. It was a picture of my grandmother laying in bed with the five babies raped beside her, and at the time that picture was put on by telegram and sent all over the world.

The babies were identical. At first they were just labeled ABCD and E. But within a few days, they had names.

Eve on, a net, Cecil Emily and Marie. The smallest baby was two pounds for ounces. Everyone was concerned for all of them, but Marie's existence was by far the most precarious because she was just so little. So initially, like, they're opening the oven door and putting a basket on the door and putting the babies in this basket in front of the open oven because they need to be kept warm. You know, hot water bottles, pins of the sides of the basket because they need an incubator, but there is no such thing within hundreds of miles.

Dr. Davo drove to the Red Cross to get more help.

Then a journalist from New York called, then a doctor, a health commissioner in Chicago, who said he was an expert on premature babies. He asked Dr. Davo what he needed.

“Elzir Dion had actually had trouble nursing her singly born babies. Her milk supply was not that high, and so they have to improvise. What are they going to feed these babies if they keep living?”

And at first, it's just water. And then he comes up with this improvised formula of cow's milk and corn syrup.

But they're these really frightening spells when they start to turn blue, and they're not getting enough oxygen as what the real issue is. But he can cocks another little formula with deluded rum, which he's instructing the midwives and nurses to give them to bring them back. The doctor in Chicago said he would send frozen breast milk. And he said that the babies needed to be kept at 85 degrees with an incubator. But the deons didn't have any electricity. Chicago newspaper sends one of its reporters with an incubator. They find an incubator that does not need electricity.

“Very old-fashioned model they had to go into the basement of the attic of this medical supply warehouse in Chicago.”

And this fellow called Charlie Blake gets on a train with this incubator and speeds north with it. A reporter in photographer from the Toronto Star brought a car full of supplies and gifts when they came to take pictures of the babies. To everyone's astonishment, they just keep living. I mean, they say that in the newspaper is over and over again. They're still breathing. They're still living.

That's such a basic thing to say, but it is so unheard of. It has never happened in 400 years of recorded medical history.

But Dr. Defo famously said, you know, somebody asked him, what do they look like? He said, like rats. One of the reporters said that you would almost swear their transparent when he saw one of them lifted up like for a bath or diaper change. There's a picture of nurse Leroux holding one of the girls. And that baby's entire torso is contained in her palm. The day after the babies were born, the Toronto Star printed three pictures of the Deon family. The article read, have good chance of surviving, states quintuplets doctor.

Mr. and Mrs. Deon don't fare as well with the press, Mr. Deon in particular.

But even Mrs. Deon is the very morning of the birth when she first talks to her husband about what just happened to them.

She says, what will people think? They'll think we're pigs. And that's kind of in reference to, there's not a great way to put it. She feels like people are going to think she's had a litter of babies and that that's somehow vulgar.

“And Mr. Deon, when he's first confronted with the press, they ask him, will do you feel proud of yourself?”

And something about the tone or the manner of that question got right under his skin immediately. And what he swore to his dying day that he said was, you talk like I should be put in jail. But what they reported him as saying was, I'm the type of fellow that should be put in jail. As if he wasn't in a shame of having fathered so many children at once, and that encounter would taint his view of the press for the rest of his life. The next day may 30th, the Toronto Star reported that Oliver had agreed to take the quintuplets to the world's fair in Chicago.

A promoter had reached out to him about a deal to put the quintuplets on display there. When the world's fair calls and says, hey, we want your babies. They are offering solutions to so many problems that just arose so suddenly, such as who's footing the bill. Nobody has really talked about who's paying the nurses, who's paying the doctor, who's paying for these shipments of breast milk that come every day. Their family literally doubled overnight. They had five children on May 27th. They had ten children on May 28th.

And the folks at the world's fair say, if you bring your babies here, we will give them the best care that is medically available in the city of Chicago.

They said they would also pay for the baby's medical care for up to six weeks before coming to the fair.

“Oliver went to ask their local priest for advice. They drove south so they could meet the promoter and to review the contract.”

He wanted a provision added saying if the children weren't well enough to travel, that the contract was off. The promoter said okay, and Oliver signed the contract. When he arrived home, there were even more cameras and journalists waiting outside. Some addressed his nuns coming to pray for the babies in an attempt to get inside.

Oliver refused to talk to them or be filmed.

The world's fair promoter announced that they'd signed a contract and newspapers reported exactly how much money Oliver would make from exhibiting the quintuplets. $250 a week and over 20% of ticket sales.

“Within about 24 hours, Oliver Dion begins to regret signing that contract. I think in part because of the way people reacted, they think he's putting his daughters up for sale more or less.”

The Cleveland press reported that Dr. Daypho did not agree with the decision Oliver had made. As long as I emboss, there will be no trip anywhere for these babies.

The father can go if he wants to, but not the children.

It appears publicly that Dr. Daypho and Oliver Dion are going head to head as if Mr. Dion wants to take the children to Chicago and Dr. Daypho is sort of like putting himself in front of the incubator and saying, "No, no, I won't let you do this. When in fact it was Oliver Dion's insistence on putting that clause into the contract that gave Dr. Daypho the power to say we're not moving these babies yet." Oliver started trying to get out of the Chicago contract. He refused to cash checks from the promoter.

“He said the contract didn't mean anything because LZer hadn't signed it to, but the promoter said it was legally binding.”

The government comes up with this plan to protect the babies from being sent to Chicago, which is, if the Deans will sign custody of those five children to the Red Cross, they will be protected. Because Oliver Dion is still bound by that contract he signed, but the Red Cross is not. So if they transfer custody, the children are protected. And so with great reluctance, but with no other way around it, Oliver and LZer signed a different brand new contract. I'm Phoebe Judge, this is criminal. We'll be right back to listen without ads, join criminal plus.

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The red cross would pay for the nurses and milk shipments.

They began building a special hospital for the quintuplets across the street from the Dion's house.

“While they were waiting for the hospital to be done, a nurse partitioned off the parlor of the house for the quintuplets.”

Dr. Dayfo was so worried about the babies getting sick that he barely allowed anyone besides the nurses inside. The parents are left just sort of feeling like, almost like aliens in their own home, and Elzir after that birth is not well for several days if not weeks. So she's so distressed by her separation from her newborn daughters that Grandpa Dion cuts a hole in the wall. He makes a little window so that she can look through from her bed and see into the baby's room. Construction on the new hospital began in August.

“People are literally sending nickels to Northern Ontario to help build the hospital for these babies. One little girl from Rhode Island sent a nickel and said, "Why?”

I wish I could send more, but Daddy only works three days a week to keep us five going." So that's all they could spare, but they wanted to send all they could spare. In late September, when the quintuplets were just under four months old, Dr. Dayfo and the nurses moved to the babies to the finished hospital. It was built as this sort of infant utopia because everything was going to be modern and new and just for them and the best of everything. There were times that were wrong at these certain hours for meals, for playtime, even for like there was six designated potty times during the day.

There was this sort of aura around the science of child rearing and it was presented to the public as though these children were going to have the best possible upbringing. Because we're going to have the latest in everything, scientifically, psychologically, is all going to be here for them and we are going to make these children the most perfect children you ever saw. Elsie and Oliver were allowed to visit at any time as long as no one in their house was sick. The official policy is anytime you want there your children come on in, but the logistics and everything just make it feel very strange to the deans.

Who walks across the street to see their children? There's a fence with barbed wire and they had to like ring a bell and wait for the guards to let them in.

Once they're passed those gates, they are always under the nurses gaze and Elsie and particular felt very much like she was treated like a criminal like she couldn't be trusted with her own children.

Crowds of people had started driving to the hospital to see the quintuplets, but they would also gather around the deans house. Once a man broke their kitchen window and reached inside. In February of 1935, things have calmed down a bit. There's been some health scares with the babies that have passed and things are seeming fairly stable. Once again, it dawns on Oliver dean. Okay, in two years, these five children are going to come home. Well then what? We still have the same house.

He still has the same job. That's more than he can financially stretch too. And so, for that reason, the deans explain, they go on a Vaudeville tour in the United States in February of 1935.

It was basically just displaying themselves. All they did in essence was say, "You know, we thank you for your attention.

“We thank you for all of your care and your prayers and your donations."”

And Mr. Deans said two or three sentences in English, and Mrs. Deans said, "Thank you very much and may God bless you in French because that was her native language, and that was it." Audiences loved it, but newspapers published jokes making fun of the deans. They called Oliver, a quote, "little shrimp and the tour of Vaudeville." The premier of Ontario called it nauseating to Canadians, revolting and cheap. We're trying to save these children from exploitation. We gave them a beautiful hospital.

The Red Cross has taken care of them, and now look at what their parents are doing. They're out exploiting and exposing themselves for money.

“In March, the Ontario Legislature proposed a new bill about the deans quintuplets.”

The Legislature proposes taking forcibly seizing control and custody of Yvonne and Net Cecil Emily and Marie, making them wards of the crown until they are 18 years old to save them from the exploitation that now people seem to believe they will suffer at the hands of their own parents. Are they allowed to do that? They did it.

It caused a great deal of debate in the Legislature, but ultimately, the Deans' five daughters became wards of the crown.

It was called the Deans quintuplets guardianship act, and it made the minister of public welfare, the quintuplets special guardian, along with a board appointed by the government.

“The minister said, "These children are our own royal family. We want to make it possible for them to lead normal lives."”

When the bill passed, Elzir and Oliva packed bags and tried to move into the hospital in protest, but a police officer showed up, and after two hours, they went home. They said, "Over and over again, we're raising these five other children. Nobody has complained about them, and they characterized it as kidnapping." The quintuplets were nine months old. That spring, Dr. Davo, had started letting some visitors inside the hospital between two and three in the afternoon to look through a window into the nursery.

It turns out that that gazing through the windows kind of seems to make the babies nervous, and so they changed tactics and start displaying the children on the front porch of the nursery at set times during the day. They would put out a placard that said, "Evon," and one of the nurses would come out and hold up Evon, and the people lined up at the fence would just cheer and fuss and because they were identical, they could dop the public. So if Cecil was having a rough time, they could just show Emily twice, just change the sign, change the nurse, bring out the same baby, and at that distance, no one was any the wiser.

Are they being charged?

No. No, it's always free, of course, because the government, the government, can't exploit these children and money equals exploitation, so there is no charge.

Journalists and psychologists debated whether the public should be allowed to view the quintuplets. A well-known psychologist, Roton Cosmopolitan, "Life in a glass house is not conducive to normal human development. Babies are not fishes." But then he recommended they be separated and raised by different families. "To make them forget, they are quintuplets."

A judge on the quintuplets guardianship board said, "These children are the treasures of the world. Why should they not be seen?" They said, "Well, people are going to come no matter what, and the more we try to thwart them, the more obnoxious they're going to become, so we need to do it on our terms." And that's the tactic that they took. And what do they do? They built an observatory, a horseshoe shaped building, and in the center of the horseshoe is a playground.

So you enter, if you're a member of the public who wants to see the deon quintuplets at play, you enter through sort of the bottom of the you in that horseshoe, and you file in one of two directions, and there are these windows that allegedly are one way they've put these screens that are painted white over the windows.

And the observatory is lined with cork and felt to muffle sounds. People are not to speak and stuff, but they do because they just can't help themselves.

“They are not to take pictures. They are just to file in an orderly fashion through this, you know, whatever leg of the horseshoe you choose.”

And you can go through that observatory as many times as you please during the observation period, but traffic must be kept in motion at all times. You're not to linger. So the children, the policy states, health and weather permitting, are heard into their little private playground and are stared at for twice a day every day.

The observatory opened on July 1st, 1936, just after the baby's second birthday.

How did they seem to react to this attention? There are mixed accounts. There are some nurses who claim that the children were completely oblivious. And there are others who are like that nonsense because they observed girls, you know, after the public had left, if the children were given access to those windows, they would take their building blocks and sort of climb up to the windows and wave at nobody.

“They knew people were in there looking at them and they would perform. Emily took particular delight in climbing the jungle gym and looking precarious and making people gasp and wonder if she was going to fall.”

And there were times when it did, some nurses said it seemed to disturb them. They seemed to not want to be there. Between three and six thousand people came every day to see the quintuplets. Outside the gates of the hospital, all kinds of tents and stands had started popping up to sell things to tourists. Newspapers called it "Quintland".

Elzir's aunt was the first one to open a tent.

She sold food, she sold souvenirs, she told her story offered autographs, the two midwives wrote a little pamphlet describing the birth and the family and everything that they would sign. Oliver opened a booth too. He sold photographs, postcards and autographs for a quarter.

“In 1937, the Deon quintuplets were a more popular tourist attraction than Niagara Falls.”

Businesses are booming because these folks, again, have come so far to see the famous Deon quintuplets. They need other stuff to do. If they've come that far, well, you might as well offer them hotels and restaurants and fishing excursions and the girls uncle Leon ran a gas station. And he installed five gas pumps and put Ivana Net to see Elzir and Marie's name.

Each had was assigned to a gas pump.

And also, critically, it will come out later. The province is pocketing all kinds of money because they are charging a higher gas tax than any other province in Canada because they can. Because people are going to pay it because they want to see the Deon quintuplets. And when you've got to drive a couple hundred miles north of Toronto, that adds up. Newspapers paid thousands of dollars for exclusive rights to photograph the quintuplets.

And Hollywood producers made a deal to shoot three movies in their nursery. The Madam Alexander doll company made sets of five identical dolls named after the quintuplets. Companies use their photos and advertisements. Dr. Dayfo gave endorsements. Products like carousera, palm olive soap, colgate toothpaste, baby roof candy.

Anything Dr. Dayfo said was the best for the Deon quintuplets was perceived as the best for anybody. And he was paid for that. His influence was so great that at that time there was some hesitation toward things like pasteurization of milk and vaccinations. And when Dr. Dayfo comes out and says pasteurized milk is best for your child. Vaccinations are best for your child. That has a great effect on public health. So milk borne illnesses decrease.

Markidly as do a lot of childhood diseases that people, you know, who had been wary about vaccinating their children. When they hear that the Deons are vaccinated and they see the pictures of the Deons being anoculated in the papers. They say, "Okay, if the Deon quintuplets are receiving this, then I'm going to trust that and that it's best for my child as well." In 1937, Dr. Dayfo said, "There isn't any point in bringing them up as normal children.

And because they will always have to buy their privacy and pay dearly for it, we are trying to build up sufficient funds to make it possible for them to have peace and freedom as the years go by."

“The money from the photographs and advertisements went to a trust fund for the quintuplets, managed by the guardianship board.”

Oliver was a member of the board, but he stopped attending meetings when he kept being outvoted. LZR was worried the quintuplets weren't getting enough to eat. She fought with the nurses. When a nurse left her job at the hospital and the quintuplets would cry, they remembered LZR would get angry. The nurses are put in this position where they are the children's parents in practice.

They're never supposed to speak sharply. They're never supposed to physically discipline the children.

But on the other side of that is, they're not supposed to hug and kiss them either. So for instance, when they're put to bed at night, you're put in your crib and it's lights out. There's no toys. There's no singing. There's no rocking chair. There's none of that kind of routine.

“Twice a day the quintuplets had their hair curled. Researchers visited to analyze their physical similarities, their handprints and eyelids and their personalities.”

It was reported Dr. Defo had them on a special diet to "keep them from growing too fast." On holidays, like Halloween and Valentine's Day, they did special photo shoots. Their birthday parties were filmed.

Later, Cecil said, "The gifts were all empty boxes. The cake was a big hole. It was always like that. There was no cake at all when we cut it."

The quintuplets were allowed to leave the hospital for the first time when they were about five years old to meet Queen Elizabeth in Toronto. By 1940, Oliver had filed two lawsuits against Dr. Defo. He demanded that Dr. Defo reveal how much he was making from advertising contracts and put his profits in the trust fund.

“Dr. Defo resigned from the guardianship board and Oliver withdrew the lawsuits.”

By then, World War II had begun, and fewer Americans were making trips to Quintland. And the way journalists wrote about the quintuplets was changing. As the girls grew up, they became... there's not a nice way to say it. They weren't as cute as they used to be. They got to be perfectly ordinary looking little girls. And that didn't have the same draw as these adorable little ringleted toddlers. A nurse who had taken care of them as babies came to visit them at Quintland in 1942 when the quintuplets were seven.

And told her a reporter, "I was disappointed in them. I thought they were not as pretty." Another former nurse spoke up saying she felt sorry for the quintuplets. The tide of public sympathy starts to turn toward Mr. Mesistion and away from the doctor. Dr. Defo had been diagnosed with colon cancer and went away for surgery. Then it's like six months or so. It's quite some time before they see him again.

At intervening period, they've realized that the expectation is to love their parents. They can feel that expectation from their parents now. And so when Defo returns from his recovery, the feeling between them is very, very different. One nurse said, "They just wouldn't go near him. We literally had to push them." Later, the quintuplets said, "We were old enough to know that Mom and Dad did not want us to do that. We were anxious to please." Then Dr. Defo died of pneumonia. He was 60. No one told the quintuplets for six months.

And in 1943, at nine years old, the girls were sent home to live with the rest of their family. They have two new little brothers have been born. So now there are seven siblings that they haven't seen that much of. And they're all expected to just magically have this fairytale reunion and everything is supposed to be great.

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Brian Callahan. His mother, Terez, was one of the deon quintuplets older sisters.

“She was 14 when the quintuplets were sent home to live with the rest of their family on their farm.”

They'd moved into a new house that Oliver had built with money from the quintuplets' trust fund. They called it The Big House. As a young boy, I'd play in that house when it stood empty. When the quintuplets moved back in, Oliver said he wanted everyone to act like one big family. One way or the other, the siblings weren't interested in being part of the family with the quintuplets,

and the quintuplets weren't interested in being part of the family with the siblings. If you can understand that.

For the first time the quintuplets were separated into different bedrooms.

At dinner time, at the table, they weren't seated together. They were all sandwiched between their siblings. Oliver didn't think the quintuplets should go to a regular school, so they eventually started a private school for them in the old hospital nursery. Instead of having the siblings go to school with their sisters,

they then interviewed and selected ten young ladies from the surrounding area to come in and go to school with the quint as their classmates. Later, one of their classmates said, "They wouldn't confide in us for a long, long time. You had to really, really work on gaining their confidence." When they did, the quintuplets would ask the other girl's questions about everything,

going to the movies, getting soda, having boyfriends. At first, the quintuplets slept at the school during the week, but when they got closer with their classmates and teachers, Oliver told them, "Morily, those people are taking you farther and farther from your parents. They are there to divide our family once again."

After that, Oliver wanted them to come back to the big house for meals and to sleep. There was no bonding, even for the nine years that they actually did live together. They didn't know each other. You had to fight princesses. They were raised by the nursing staff. Everything was done for them.

Meanwhile, the other siblings, they were out still at work in the farm.

“Mr. Dion wanted them to be one of the family, not one of five.”

They craved that fiveness, that togetherness that they had for almost a decade together in the nursery. That feeling to them was home to them, more than any physical place. Yet, they wanted to be individuals also. They were very weary of being treated as a group with no differentiation between the five of them. So, they kind of wanted to go their separate ways, and yet they really didn't know how or what it would be like to live like that.

When they were 18, Oliver enrolled them at a small Catholic women's college in Quebec. Even though it was the small world of the campus, they felt that freedom and really reveled in it. In addition to being able to be together as much as they wanted and craved with no punishment for that.

So it was the first time in their life when they were free.

Yeah, yeah, it really is.

“And I believe a net and at least one other of her sisters put it very much like that instead.”

It was like being a bird. After about a year, Marie left school to join in Convent, and then so did Emily. Emily has epilepsy, which is a huge secret. Almost nobody outside of the family knows it.

And while she is in this Convent contemplating whether to stay if this is really for her or not, she has a seizure, and she dies.

Her sisters were all at home visiting when they got the news. They were 20 years old. Cecil said there was a part of her that she almost believed that they were immortal because it had been such a miracle that they had lived. She didn't fully understand it seems that they could also die.

“But at the same time, they say that was the real start of them finding their individuality because once there's only four instead of five, then the public's attention really really diverts.”

It's like they're not, they're not magic anymore. There's a picture of the five of them together. Emily is in a casket. Yvonne later said she remembered thinking, Emily is still playing the part of a quintuplet for the camera, even though she's dead. All of a open their house to anyone, quote, "genuine in their grief," and five thousand people came to see Emily.

Shortly after, Yvonne andette Cecil and Marie found out about their trust fund. Because they had no concept of its accumulation, they did not know how much had been to sort of dribble or siphoned away. The account contained about $800,000 for the sisters. They would get access when they turned 21. Emily's share would be split among all the members of the Dion family. But they were rules about how and when they could use the money, and they had to keep paying to maintain their parents' house.

Marie left her convent and decided to use the money to open a flower shop called Solon Emily. She liked to give flowers away to friends and churches. The shop closed after six months. Annette and Cecil both married. Cecil used trust fund money for her wedding, and left her bouquet at Emily's grave. Marie married two. All three had children.

Yvonne went to nursing school and eventually became a librarian. They all stayed in Quebec. Marie died at 35, reportedly from a blood clot in her brain. Cecil eventually divorced. So did Annette. Her husband seems to have been a very good kind understanding man. But as he said, you know, he would make plans with his wife in the morning.

Go to work and then come home and find that the plans had been changed because like Ivonne showed up and the two sisters just changed everything. And he said, "I, you know, I only married one person. It's, you have to choose. It's either me or it's them."

For a while, they moved in together.

“And the money that was left in the trust fund dwindled.”

Cecil's son Bertrand, he was very aware of his mother's financial struggles, even as like a kid in school. He knew and he remembered very specifically somebody coming into class and they had a pencil with his mother's face and his four aunts faces on it and he thought, "Why is there this pencil with their faces on it and they don't get any money for this?" So as an adult, he goes to the archive of Ontario and he starts digging into the quintuplet guardianship files and looking for the financial records.

In Toronto, Bertrand found the between the ages of four and ten, half of the quintuplets trust fund had been spent.

And the records of the first three years of guardianship board meetings had been burned by the welfare minister.

He comes home with like literally suitcases full of documents, discovering things like when the welfare minister who was part of the Deon quintuplet guardians board, when he would come to North Bay to look over the books, he wasn't charging his lodging and his fish and chips to his government department. He was charging it to the Deon quintuplet in account. The Deons were being billed for their own birthday presents. They were being billed for the toilet paper in the public washroom at Quintland. The quintuplet fund had paid for Mr. Deon's new cars.

The girls had a knowingly paid tuition for their siblings' education. They paid for Dr. Daypho's stamps and telephone bills and telegrams, the nurse's tennis courts. Anytime somebody could dip into their and justify it as necessary for maintaining that whole Deon show, they did. And then Bertrand found out about the gas tax. In the Quintland years, Ontario had increased its gas tax to six or eight cents a gallon versus the two or three cents and other provinces.

That was a really big fat nail in the coffin for him saying, "That's proof that the government knew what these children were, quote unquote, "worth" to the province and that they were being used to make money. Bertrand went to court to get royalties back for use of the sister's names and faces, which no one had paid since 1957. They asked for $10 million in restitution from the government of Ontario. More than a year later, the Ontario government offered to pay Ivonne a net in Cecil, each $2,000 a month for the rest of their lives.

And they find it just deeply offensive. Like, we didn't ask for an allowance.

“You know, this was money that was set aside for us. Where is it?”

This sister's decided to hold a press conference in Toronto. They take the sort of for them unprecedented step after all those years of being in my opinion abused by the media.

They finally took the reins. And then the premier offers $2 million.

And the Deans say, "No, not enough. He offers $3 million." And they say, "No, not enough." And finally, he says $4 million and an inquiry into the accounting. And they accepted that. Brian Callahan says that beyond that press conference,

the sisters had hardly ever come back to Ontario.

“Here, remember seeing them when Olifah died in 1979?”

What were your aunts like at the funeral? Very soft-spoken. You wouldn't know that they were there. They just kind of blended in. In 1995, a net Iván and Cecil said publicly that Olifah had sexually abused them as children. They said that it had taken a long time to talk about, "But that's normal for something so deep."

They remembered telling a priest when they were younger. And he felt bound by his religious duty as if that had been a sort of confession. He didn't think he was able to tell that outside of the confession booth. When the news came out, Brian's mother, Turez told her a reporter, "We assert that we had good parents and that to our knowledge,

They just didn't understand how a secret so monumental could have been kept when they were all in the same house.

All the other siblings actually signed a joint letter denying anything to that fact, refuting the claims of the quints. I believe that it didn't happen, but who's to say? Yeah, that must be a difficult thing to have circulating very divisive. I can only imagine for a family.

Oh, yes it was, yeah.

“And you have to understand that to this family, due to what they were put through,”

the number five to them was like a number 13 to most families considered unlucky.

Brian remembers when a younger brother joined a junior ice hockey team. His name wasn't Dionne, so nobody knew his relationship. What number do you think they gave him to wear playing for the North Bay trappers? Five. My mother refused to go and watch him play hockey because he was wearing a number five.

Extreme, certainly, but that's the way it was with the family. Today, there's a Dionne quints museum in North Bay, Ontario, inside the log house where the quintuplets were born.

“Brian lives nearby and leads tours there.”

She actually had a 93, four-year-old woman come up this summer, her son drove her up from Colorado. And she was actually, she actually came up when she was three years old to see the quintuplets with her grandparents, drove all the way up, expecting to play with them. And of course, she wasn't allowed to play with them. So she made a pilgrimage so she called it to come up and fulfill her the one item on her bucket list for that.

And she stopped the only one. Brian says another woman told them she visited because it was her own mother's dying wish. Sometimes the museum gets donations of vintage dolls and other quintuplets memorabilia people collected. In total, over three million people came to see the Dionne quintuplets at Quintland.

“You have to understand that it was in the Depression era and it gave people a ray of hope.”

You know, something to something to brighten their day. A Nat Dionne told the New York Times, "I think the museum staying in North Bay will help them for making foolish choices, like what they did to us.

It should never be repeated again."

In 2016, Cecil told the Montreal Gazette that her son Bertrand, who had been managing her money for her, had disappeared. Her money was gone and she was made a ward of the state. Last year, she and a Nat, the last surviving quintuplets died. They were 91. To see the famous photo of LZ or Dionne and the quintuplets on the day they were born,

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