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“Today, I have some of my West Coast boys in the house, baby.”

Jonny, three tears Charlie Sheen from Hollywood on Des. See in our game. It's Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen. I love Charlie Sheen though, too. He gives a mix of two.

Yeah, I'm so sorry. It was that it was the shit that I had on it. You know what's weird is by chance. We have the same birthday, September 3rd, me and Charlie Sheen. And he tweeted me on our birthday.

He said happy birthday to us. I was like a cool mechanic. Is that insane? That even knows who you are? Yeah, exactly.

Oh my god. I love that so much. So you're a Virgo. I'm a Virgo. Are you a ladies man?

No, man's man. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. My dad was September 4th and he loved vagina. He literally, you could not get that man away from women to save his life.

I feel like Virgo men just love women. He's like, he's like maybe in another life. He loves his life. Yeah. Yes, maybe that's more than most men are married that long.

Oh, how long have you guys been married? For since 2013, uh, 12 years. Oh, that's a long time. Yeah. I love that you still love her vagina.

Because most of them lead variety. Do you need variety? No, no. I've been married a long time as well in one vagina. I love that.

I love that you guys have like this rowdy reputation.

“And yeah, you guys are just like, well, that's why we're so rowdy.”

We're one vagina pisses you off. Yeah. Yeah. You just gotta go and break your brain. The rest of the world's like a wrestling ring.

So take me back to this conversation. We were just having about the vapes. Oh, yeah. Well, yes. So the vaping because it messes my vocal cords up.

And, you know, I mean, it's obviously not good. And I did the hypnotist thing. I actually went to the hypnotist for other things to try and be less crazy. And like, some other, because they say they can do anything. Was this recent?

Yeah. It's been over the course of like a year. I've been going. So you, okay, so the reason why this even got brought up. Let me just bring you guys in the circle of trust here.

It's because Charlie wanted to vape. And I was just like, no, this is a no vaping zone. But you can go outside and vape. But whatever. And I was telling them that vaping is bad for you.

And then that's when you told me that you went to the hypnotist. Yeah. So I was trying to quit. So did they like, but you didn't really work. Do you feel like you really got put under?

You will. So I've gone like 10 times.

I went for other things first.

Like for anxiety. You can go for anything. Yeah. You can go for PTSD, all kinds of stuff. So I went just to see what it was like because I wanted just to see if it worked.

Yeah. It was just kind of curious by nature. And so we're doing other things. And yeah, I would say it works like you kind of go. And then it's not like the TV shows, though, or the movies.

We're like, you're like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're. And they do in the clock thing. None of that stuff happens. You feel like you fell asleep though. Is what I would say.

And you feel like it's almost like when you take a nap. And you're not sure if you did.

“You know, we like, did I fall asleep? You have to almost say it was I asleep.”

That would give me anxiety. Yeah. But you, you're not, you're not sure if you fell asleep. Um, I'd be like, did you touch me inappropriately? Like, you know, you don't, you don't know what's happening.

Like, did we, did we just take a nap? It's not a shit. It's not a shit. Yeah. But yeah.

So I did it. And it didn't work. Like the, the vaping thing. But he also told me he's like, do you really want to stop vaping? And I was like, no.

He's like, well, it's probably not going to work. Yeah. But you have to really, you stuff like want to do those things.

Those people see it's a one-time thing. That's what I've always heard.

Like you go in and then you leave and you don't want to smoke anymore. But that, that, that I, that we was not an expert. I quit for that day and by the end of the day, I was at, I put all my vapes in water. Like, so I can, you know, to, yeah.

I was at 7/11 by the end of that. Yeah. He's, he's straight. Yeah. I was like, the, the juices.

Is it, is it your only vice though? Because I mean, come from the lifestyle that you guys use to live. If you're, if all you're doing is vaping, I mean, it's like fucking hard. You're, sometimes it's one of men.

Johnny is one of the most addictive personalities you'll ever find. I have four vapes on me. I'm not, Johnny four vapes.

“Ah, that seems to be your child, though.”

So I, I grew up on you guys. But I never knew your entire lore. I knew kind of like the drama around the band and stuff like that. Because of course, you know, being from Vegas and Cali. We heard about all the shit that we did.

That we do on around up there too. Yeah, for sure. But I never got to, like, really get into you guys as lore. And I actually got to, like, really deep dive you guys.

And you guys have really fascinating stories. Mm-hmm. Like, I think it's really interesting. And I want to dive into that. But first, I have a very serious question I want to ask you.

Do you really have a wini that you like to show? [laughs] No. He did, though. Did you use a flop at around all the time?

Well, just like in front of my friends, I had this trick. Yeah. I had this trick where if you take a knife, but you don't, you use the, the flat side, not the sharp side.

And you put your D on a cutting board. And then you say, hey, guys, look at this. And you smush the knife like not the sharp side onto your D. It looks like it's halfway through your penis. So it looks like you're chopping your dick off.

So I do that as a gag. Do we have a cutting board? [laughs]

I got a scene as, like, this is amazing.

But then I get a girlfriend. So I couldn't be showing my dick around. It's terrifying. I'm looking on first sight, too, because to the shot. Yeah.

But I, so he wouldn't do that. But I would. So I took, yeah. Yeah. He come up with these great things.

And then I would just do them. Use his material. And we'd be on, like, tour bus. There'd people be on there. And I would do them.

People like it. Yeah. I could have just strangers in shit. Yeah. I don't know how much.

How did you figure this out? Did somebody teach you? That's true. That's true. Somebody teach you this trick.

Is it, like, a generational thing? Like, pass down to family. I think I just saw a knife. And I was like, oh, I bet you could cut your dick. But with the dull side, it won't go through.

I got to show the guys this. Yeah. What time for my birthday? I had him light his dick on fire. Oh, my God.

I got to tell me that. The dicks are out. I'm loving this. This is my kind of party. I had a party that was probably like 50 people.

There was like, George. I had some lighter fluid. I was like, let me, this lighter fluid on your dick. And you just run out into the crowd. I'm like, oh, my dick's on fire.

So he's like, OK, fine. He's all fucked up. So I-- How are he talking to that? Is it what I wanted to know?

That was it. That was a little joke. Yeah, it took very little convincing. I'm game. Yeah, yeah.

Did it burn your weiner off? No, no. No. It was on my pants. I wasn't like on my own.

OK, OK.

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No, I thought we were running around. No, I thought we were running around. No, the way I met you was I came home from playing basketball and he was on the driveway with my older brother, he's like, hey, this is my friend George. But he got so drunk that night, my mom bought El Poyoloco and he was trying to eat it, but he's so drunk. It fell on the floor and he tried to pick it up.

So he just fell and was eating beans like laying down in the floor. I was like, Jesse, this is the biggest piece of shit I've ever fucking met in my life. And I didn't eat the beans all the time. I was pretending. Yeah.

Can we have a moment of silence for the creamy cilantro sauce? Oh, that was sweet. I'll play a local dog taco. Del Taco fire. No, the cream is cilantro still there. You just got to pay extra for it. I'm like back in the day that you see give you fucking loads of it. Okay, so let's talk about mom and the mommy stuff that's going on.

What was going on in your household? Well, you know, I didn't have a good, you know, the upbringing stuff wasn't good. Right. That just had a lot of resentment and stuff. Yeah.

Was she a single mom? No, my parents are kind of nuts. You know, and yeah. As I've gotten older, I guess I've learned to separate something. You know, I wore out human beings and stuff. Absolutely.

Yeah, and just a lot of resentment and it was a very, very, very bad environment. Mm. And I ended up, you know, I got in a lot of trouble when I was young. I ended up in Juvey and stuff like that. Because you were acting out.

Yeah, you got your first felony at 15.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I got a burglary charge. Why end up graduating high school? I went to Central and this place called Challenger Campus in the Annelook Valley, which is where I ended up going to like I had to go to.

“Because you have to go to school if you're in jail when you're still a minor.”

So I ended up going there and I was there until I was 18. And then I got to take out. So it was all, you know, it was Juvey. It was nothing that, well, it's not good, but it wasn't bad. But by a whole childhood was kind of, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't good.

It wasn't acting out because you needed love and attention, though.

That's it. Yeah, but yeah. Yeah, I was very angry and stuff. And you deserve love and attention. You know, I didn't have any place to go when I was little.

And you know, I was living in people's houses. You know, so when you're all the things that I probably needed when I was young, at that point, I think I was like 18 years old. I had got that, that I was sad when I was young. I was just depressed about it.

When I became old enough, then I was just angry about it. And you know, I went through a period of like, yeah, probably a lot of aggression. I was just being in fights and all that stuff was all just an extension of trying that repressed stuff coming out. And the same with like, you know, drinking and drugs, all that stuff.

You start sort of sorting out that all of that stuff is an expression of coming from the same well sort of thing. And it took me a long time to figure that out. Even though you might know it, it takes a long time to kind of actually realize it. It takes, yeah, it takes...

I've always told everybody, I wish we could be born with the wisdom we have now,

because God wouldn't life be so much fucking easier if we just knew everything going on. Even someone telling you to know it, hearing something is different than knowing it. You know what I mean, someone could tell you the million things,

“but you have to kind of realize it for yourself.”

So, you know, and as I've gotten older and I have three kids of my own and stuff, you start to realize that, you know, other people are human and a lot of them are fucked up, and a lot of fucked up people have kids of their own. Yeah, pass on generational trauma. Yeah, and so, you know, my role now is to kind of, you know,

to arrest those things and, you know, steer a different course. I'm very actively participating and making sure those things don't, you know, go the same way and... You're breaking those generations. Yeah, that's what you can do, you know?

Absolutely. I think a lot of that trauma stops with us, because our parents back in the day, those motherfuckers do not care. They don't want to hear anything about therapy. They don't want help.

They are like set in their ways with being how they were. That generation that raised us. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of us have learned from our parents mistakes, and we're like, "We don't want to be like them."

Totally. Yeah. And then, they're not happy and they're hurt. And they literally were just bleeding on people who didn't cut them. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it is true. And you know, that's the terrible thing is that, you know, people, the children typically pay the price for people. Absolutely.

You know, they're unfulfilled dreams or whatever it is, they're unhappy about, and it's really unfortunate.

“Because the worst thing in the world is seeing a kid in pain.”

I don't care who you are. I don't care whose kid it is seeing a kid that's a sad child. It's just terrible. It breaks my heart to think about it. So, you know, if you, if you, any adult with their own problems,

they really, it is really as their responsibility to sort through those things out without bringing their, their own children into it. Because it's just, you're setting up that kid up for a lifetime of their own pain. And then another kid up for a lifetime. Or whoever that person may raise or that person becomes connected to is going to suffer

all because you're unhappy with yourself. Yes. You know, that, that generational trauma, you do. It's, it's a handful. Yeah, no, it's a lot.

How was your childhood? Um, mine was pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it was good. He has the coolest mom. Yeah.

We love cool moms. Because I don't have a mom. So, shout out to the cool mom out there. Yeah. Yeah.

My house was always the party house.

She let everyone go there and crash. Yeah. So she gave you guys like a safe space. Totally. Yeah.

She allowed me to talk shit to her all the time. She told us to keep it down and say, shut up. Yeah, shut up. If you're like, do you talk to your mom? Yeah.

You talk to your mom like that. That's my fucking maid. She's like, yeah. She got a kick out of it. I love that.

That's so awesome. Yeah, so she always didn't shit. They were cool. They never forced me to go to college. My dad was a, he wanted to be an actor.

They were cool. They never forced me to go to college. No, they didn't get the shit. They were like, do music, act if you want. Like, they, they're all about the arts.

So they just supported all the decisions I made with music and all that stuff. So I love that. That's amazing. Yep. And George moved in with us, too.

He lived with him. Yeah. Yeah. George. I love this.

This is awesome. Yeah. No, his parents were the best. Yeah. I love parents like that.

That's how my best friend Tasha is. And I literally moved them out here to Nashville to be with me because I grew. I love to him at 14 and ended up moving in the trailer park with her and her mom.

“And, you know, you didn't, you never forget friends like that.”

Yeah.

You never forget people who are there for you and your lowest fucking time.

Yeah. You guys have a pretty special bond. Yeah. 100%. So after you moved in with him with him, is this when you guys started forming the band?

Or how did that work out? Yeah. It was around that time. Yeah. Because we, we were in bands together and separate.

He was in a band called upright radio. We were in a band called three tears. I was another. We were like often on doing bands. And then we, so we like were in bands together and separate for like years.

Right. So we would live together. And then we, you know, we'd hang out and stuff. And then Hollywood and dead kind of formed from like pieces of other bands. Why did you guys not just out of the gate start a band together?

Was it just kind of like you guys wanted to have this kind of band. We did. And then we would just go, that wouldn't work out. And go do another band. He did another band.

I would do, I stopped doing bands. You said, you know, when you're young in a band, it's a pain in the ass.

It's like, you know, so we would write bands would break up. And he would do it. So everybody was kind of doing their own thing. And then we kind of formed Hollywood and dead from like pieces of everybody's thing.

“And that was, I think really, like more of like a last ditch.”

Like the one of the reasons Hollywood and dead. I think is so different differentiated from everything we did. And we had kind of all done bands. We're like, where, you know, I love the death tones. I wanted to be in a band like the death tones.

Everybody had those models. Hollywood and dead was really like, let's just do whatever the fuck we want. Because nothing we had done worked like when you're trying to open a band like this. Or I want to be in a rock bay. We really was like, let's just make whatever the fuck we want.

That's what Hollywood and dead was. And ironically, when we stopped caring about whatever, you know, the rules were, was when it actually worked out. So it was kind of born from all the broken piece of pieces of other things of bands from all of us. Prior experience.

You guys got to go your separate ways experience life. Yeah. And come together and put all those pieces together like a puzzle piece. How did you guys come up with your names?

Have you always been Charlie scenes?

No. No. No. I need to hear some of the OG names. Yeah.

Shit. Well, Charlie seemed like I never expected this band to blow up like it did. Right. So we were like seeing something cool like Blade or something like that. Oh, yeah.

Exactly. No. So it was just like on a whim. Like we were scene kids back then. Right.

Been wrapping about scene kids. So I was like, oh, Charlie scene. And then here we are. We are 20 years later, too.

“We just had our 20 year anniversary from the date.”

We put our music on my space. That's insane. I was seven years old. No, I'm 27. It's great.

Shit. With that on Wikipedia. Yeah. How did you come up with Johnny three tears? The name of the first band I was in was three tears.

So I was called myself Johnny three. Just a wave before I went in dead. So when we did Monica is that was it just. Yeah. That was that.

And you called yourself Johnny back then. Yeah, Johnny. I was thought Johnny can go ahead of anything. Right. You know what I mean?

Johnny any anything. So three tears was the name of the band. I was in, since I was like 17, 18 years old. So I just put Johnny in front of it. Yeah.

You know, so that was the whole, the whole deal with that. And when we did mask, we were like, well, we got to do Monica's and stuff. And that was all just at that point. You know, the name's it because with the mask, you want it. If you're, it would be lame to have a mask and be like, I am George.

You know what I mean? So kind of like, you know, it kind of fits the whole. But you're a good looking guy. So I'm sure that if you even had a, you know, put a mask on and call yourself George. Girls were still going to go crazy.

I wish that was true. Yeah. You're very, it's obvious that you're doing just fine. Dude, I had to get the first one that went for it. I was like, you want to get married, babe?

You tricked her. You had to go first, not I met her. Yeah. I love that. How did you guys decide on your masks?

“Like, because you guys each have one catered to like your personality correct?”

Yeah. We got lucky. This dude is named Jerry Constantine.

I always shout this dude out because he's like, he's awesome.

He's one like I think. I think when the academy award for doing makeup on like Winston Churchill. He pretty much any movie you've seen with like crazy monsters in it. Yeah. This guy makes him like all of the famous horror movies that you, that aren't CGI now.

Because most of them are. Right. But like the thing and all these things, he builds these monsters. And so we got in touch with him way back when we first started. And he made them.

Like, so we went in and kind of told him what we wanted. You know, I'm in the butterflies and the three and stuff. And he made them out of, you know, clay with his hands and design them by hand. So we got to work with this dude who's like a genius and he's made it like, you know, some of the most famous monsters that, you know,

you, anybody seen from these movies and he did it from start to finish with us. Wow. I never did a mask back then. Yeah. I did a Del Taco bag originally because Del Taco is a fucking fire.

I love you. I love it. Well, we're doing all these cool messages. I'll just do the bag. I do a Del Taco bag.

Yeah. But these said you said yourself a fart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know how long at the bag last. The bag lasts until we signed our record deal. They're like, you can't do it. You can't do a Del Taco bag.

It's like fuck. Um, and then. Let's say pay you, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I just want a free fucking soft talk. Do the double del cheeseburger? Oh, they look like that.

Oh, it's so good. Oh, they long. So they want to make it like change the design on it and ship. But it just looks dumb. I was like, ah, defeats the purpose.

Just wearing a bag on my head that says Charlie. So I was like, I just do a bandana.

You know, always like cowboy movies and shit.

You know, they helped us with the bandana. And it's just easiest fuck to put off and on. Yeah. Can't drink beer through it. Like it gets solid.

Oh. It's like the paper straws I made those. Yeah. Exactly. We turned in that.

So I was like, you know what? I'm going to do a bandana. I love that. It's crazy sitting here with you guys. I'm like getting to fill your energy now because you guys look so intimidating.

Like on stage or like even if you guys like just listen to your record. And don't even know who you guys are. You guys have such alpha, you know, personas. But sitting here and you guys are like just like sweet little babies. Fuck.

I love that. I love that. So we have something in common. Your first concert that you went to was down to a pilot.

Yeah. Really.

And I was like, I don't share that lore with too many other people.

Yeah. Like Scott. Lee. What is it? Why?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

And we got to see one song. Somebody threw a fucking bottle and hit him in the head. And then walked off. Dave knows my first concert. That was the first song that happened to you left.

Yep. Any left. Was this like pre the heroin day? No. I might have been in the middle of it.

Yeah. I'm not sure. This was in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like he was always on that level.

Do I love it.

“You see him playing acoustic with one of the Delaylo brothers in the park?”

It is. Yeah. And the park is almost like Chubby. Yeah. Like he took that's prevalent.

Yeah. Like it really did make me sad. Because obviously towards the end he looked like a skeleton. Yeah. But he looked so like young and healthy.

And it's weird because it was such a brief window where he looked like really healthy. Yeah. Like it just looked like a normal dude. And then later he looked so torn up and stuff. Yeah.

But he was such a dialogue because I'm a big STB fan too. Yeah. Just a sad story. Same. Yeah.

No. It's so sad. The Allison chains. All that. Yeah.

Those were like. I feel like we don't have any like rock stars like that anymore. No. No. The life too.

He was like raped as a kid and shit. Yeah. Yeah. All the drugs. Yeah.

Well that explains a lot of you know why he was acting out like that. Totally. Yeah. Well like we were talking about earlier. That all comes out in the end.

Yeah. Absolutely. So you had talked about how you were involved in drugs. When did your drug addiction start? Right when I had enough money to do them consistently.

Okay. So was this after Hollywood and dead or during? Yeah. No. I started doing it like.

All call was like when I was 13 is when I really started drinking. Like right when I stuff found. I know I was in trouble when I started drinking because it wasn't like oh this is fun. It was like to me like it was like oh I can like I found something that was going to get me through life. You know what I mean.

I can work. Yeah. It was a bad relationship right from the get go site. When I started I did coke you know a couple of times and I was like a teenager. Like just from other people.

So I would do that periodically. And then when we got signed and stuff like that and we got money then I started buying it. And you know because you once you had coke is obviously not it's an expensive drug by comparison. Yeah. And then yeah just escalated and you know I started doing coke.

And then on tour works like so. Yeah. Yeah. It used to be everywhere cocaine used to be and we didn't have to worry about fentanyl. So yeah.

Yeah. I'd be doing bumps on the back of fucking dirty bathroom stalls at a dive bar. Yeah. Coke's trouble.

“So I mean I remember like when I started doing coke I could buy like an eight ball and it would be like.”

It would last me like a weekend or something. And it would be like okay and then it was like an eight ball and would last Friday. And it was like I wouldn't even leave the house anymore. And it really catches up with you. And it you know causes you no end of.

Trade just escalates and escalates and escalates and you know the losses that you incur doing this stuff. You know I don't even get into that stuff.

But yeah it's really bad and I always thought you know.

We we talk about those things and our songs and always make sure that people understand it's in a negative light. Because Coke is you know we drink drink and all that stuff. It's a good time. I could I would never tell someone that cocaine is something. It's not.

Actually it's not fun. It always ends in a dark dangerous horrible play. That stuff has caused me. No end of pain and trouble and other people that I know trouble and stuff and. I was so I was so I was so cooked out one night.

I tried to smoke it like it was crack. Yeah. You know like it that it's a very deep dark hole that you go to whenever you are partying. Fucking you know and I used to date like the biggest drug dealer. So I got eight balls of cocaine for 80 bucks.

You know so I was just fucking you know and I'm in the strip club just it was bad. Bad scene but I get it and I totally understand what you're saying. I do think that it's important for people to hear the struggles that you've gone through because. You know they they look at you like as role models you know and they're like these people have come from the depths of hell and they're out here. You know, you know on tour performing but before all before they've gotten to where they are now there was this time in their life.

You know what I'm saying so. Yeah I mean the years and years and years of it. I'm like I've only cleaned up my act in the past few years. I mean it was gradual to like I wasn't going insane. Like there was probably 10 to 15 years where it was just like all hell broke loose.

But then my wife left me and like you know things like we got real bad. That's good we love a woman that's it has boundaries too.

“Well no in every she had every right to and it was the right thing to do because I was actually the only thing that kind of like made me like holy shit you can act there are consequences and stuff to these things.”

But you will lose everything and pursuit of these things there's no doubt eventually. It's really just about whether you're lucky enough to hit rock bottom before your dead because one of those two things is going to happen. You're either going to get you're going to die or you're going to hit a rock bottom enough to turn you around before that happens and it's like a 50 50 shot that one of the other is going to happen something bad enough is going to happen to make you go.

You know your wife or your family leaves or you have an overdose that you know will make you that will scare you enough. Or you'll skate along with these smaller losses until your homeless or something dog knows what but yeah it's devastating stuff and anybody who's seen it knows like you know. You know people end up selling their own shit other people shit you know the cost is very high but you we have a we do have a lot of young fans one thing that really makes me happy is we do meet ingredients and stuff like most bands and from what we talk to them and I have never the number of kids that don't do drugs and don't drink.

Now is a skyrocketed in comparison when I was young every kid drank and did drugs that was 90 percent.

Yeah, it isn't it isn't like it's very normal me the 20 year old me I never even had a drink yeah.

That was like that would blow my mind when I was young my makeup artist is not even done cocaine I'm like how yeah how does that even. I thought that was what it was in those makeup cases.

“Really that's what I used to use by making things here for you know what I was saying so when she told me she had never done cocaine I'm like this is crazy but it's you're right it really.”

When you said that to people are learning the new generations I think they're learning from our mistakes and that gives me a lot of hope and I don't know what it is what the shift is. But yeah it seems a lot less common and I saw some statistics with like alcohol consumption that you know alcohol companies are losing business rapidly. And you know by all means go drink have fun and all that stuff but you know it's one of the things it can get out of hand really quick you don't need to be drinking every day and you don't need to be drinking Tuesday and the morning like I used to or whatever.

And I feel like alcohol is sometimes worse than drugs because it's so fucking available. Yeah, it's literally go and get alcohol any time of the day and nobody's going to say anything. We're in a van we'd shop in the morning shows and stuff we'd be six in the morning we've walked in hammer and drink and whiskey that's completely acceptable. If you work at a bank or any other job you'd be like your fire but we'd talk people laugh it off it's okay. We were we could get away with it so it's a much more slippery slope where these things are accepted and our field and you know so that probably was not the best recipe for a bunch of addicts to work or not a bunch of addicts but some me.

He's like I'm speaking for everybody. Yeah, yeah. So we're going to feel where that stuff is not only allowed but almost encouraged to a degree. Yeah. They're fucking crazy that's awesome.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So, you know, if you can handle it you can handle it. Yeah. Everybody has their limits and it's cool that people encourage people to not you know your husband and

stuff and you see these public displays of him I'm trying to get healthy. I'm trying to do better. That was like frowned upon it when people tried to hide that. Now it's like hey everybody's rooting everybody on and to me that's just really refreshing because that wasn't like cool for a long time. Now it's like hey let's see how let's say everybody let's do one of these challenges with each other and see who can you know get their lives better.

“And you know I think I think kids today are a lot smarter than the kids were when I was a kid myself.”

Thank God, right? Yeah. Yeah. We cause enough trouble. Let's switch it over here to you growing up in such a you know stable environment and loving home.

Did you battle with addiction also? Well my my childhood did shift kind of dark my dad got addicted to drugs like he ended up having to go to rehab. He got a he had like insomnia crazy insomnia that he passed along to me which fucking sucks. But he got addicted to somas and all this other shit where he was passing out of our table on Thanksgiving and shit.

So I got really bad and it made me like never want to do drugs ever so I would like see anyone do drugs.

It's I would see him I grew up with him getting drunk with him was fun. He started doing coke and like we'd be having fun and laughing as soon as he does coke now.

“He's like fucking weird and serious and I'm like in your pants.”

It sucked the fun out of your soul like I never want to do that shit. So it's like I have I have dabbled in things here and there but for the most part like you know beers fine for me. And he's a good time. He's who you want to hear with when you're when you're drinking. Yeah, he's usually the life of the party. You don't make you laugh and stuff. Yeah, you remind me of my best friend Kyle who passed away.

He was just such a sweet soul. Isn't that crazy though? How like you can go one of two ways whenever you see a parent that's an added. You can either follow in their footsteps like even unwillingly. It just sometimes happens or you go the complete opposite way of like which we you did and you were just like no. Yeah, learn from a very young age that that's something that you didn't want to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, made me kind of grossed out. Yeah, so moving on, you guys have formed Hollywood undead and the original lineup was J dog. I feel like J dog's been around for everybody.

Yeah, you were you met J dog first. You met J dog first and then you guys intertwined.

Yeah, so was J dog do shady Jeff Charlie scene, Johnny three tears, funny man and decurl. Yeah, so that was the original group. Can you guys take me on that journey with you guys like when you started dropping music on my space.

Yeah, yeah, he kind of, he always did.

Yeah, the band for started actually with Doose and J dog. They made like a hip hop song like 50 cent of just come out.

“They're like, damn, let's make a song or what was the song?”

I forget, yeah, maybe a 50 cent of something like that. But they're like, hey, let's make a hip hop song and wear masks and put it on my space. And J dog sent it to me before he released it because he's like he knew I'd freestyle like back in the day. I'd love freestyle battling and freestyle rapping and shit like I was obsessed with that. That's a dying heart.

It really is. Yeah, and now when people freestyle, it's written as fuck. Like I used to bring a boom box to high school and shit and freestyle with all the bloods and like bad. I love it. I love it.

So when J dog started doing hip hop, he sent it to me. He's like, hey, I want you to write a verse for this. And when I first heard the song, I was like literally blown away. It was called the kids. Yeah.

This is the best fucking thing I've ever heard. Yeah. So then I wrote a verse to song number two called scene for dummies. And that was the first written verse I'd ever done in my entire life. Because I would only freestyle back then.

And then George, what song did you start with? Number five? Yeah. Or black doll, yeah. No.

Black doll. Oh yeah. I love it. I forget. Okay.

I forget. I think it was number five. Yeah. I'm not really number five. Yeah.

Because we were like spurning about them. Oh, because you had Jeffrey star on it. We did our third song had Jeffrey star on it. Jeffrey's one of my best friends. Yeah.

He's cool. Yeah. So he was like, he was like a Hollywood local back then. And we had him do turn off lights. He did a song with us way back.

Yeah. That was like the third song we put out. Yeah. And that was a trip when you had him. I was like, holy shit.

Because I had seen him or heard about him in so long. I know he was doing his thing. He's fucking hilarious. He's fucking hilarious. That's what you're talking about.

He's fucking a room. And he's start fucking cackling. He's just so funny. No, he's hilarious.

He was always one of the like the sharpest dudes.

Yeah. We even back then, like we were like nut jobs. He was like, he stuck out then. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's always been authentic. And that's what I've loved about him. I know he's great. He doesn't change him.

Yeah. Yeah. Our car broke down. Or Charles Car broke down. And he's like, uh, he, Charles, I fuck.

I wonder what it is. And then Jeffrey starts like, well, if it's any, if you need Tranny Fluid, I got a little bit before he was like, fuck. Yeah. He's exactly how he is.

We literally tried to make out with the, he tried to make out with Jaime. Yeah, you're doing it. It was so. Yeah. It was.

We weren't filming. It would have happened. All right. And he got a beautiful fucking girlfriend. Like, I mean, just gorgeous.

Yeah. No, Jeffrey is still the same fucking way. He was on the third song we ever put up. Yeah. It was really funny.

Yeah. I got to pick it up and listen. Yeah. We were like the, so now, you know, like SoundCloud and all this stuff. I guess it was kind of like the original SoundCloud thing.

We just started. We, it was like very rapid, too. It was like a song a week. We just started once the one came out. It was just like just kept pushing it and going because people were listening to it.

“And they kind of had a, and then I remember, you know, my space had like an inbox.”

And like, or there was a message there from what was like a lecture records or one of them. It was Tom Tom message. Tom message. Tom message. But then a labeled capital dead.

Yeah. Rick Ross. He wrote the strokes posted for us. Like my favorite bands back then. We thought it was like a prank.

Yeah. Yeah. And we were just getting used to the internet back. Yeah. Yeah.

His face came around.

So you never knew what was real or what was that.

It was happening so fast. Two within three months. All these people messaging us and labels hitting us up and shit was like overwhelming. And it didn't feel real. Yeah.

And then I remember like we, so we, we ended up signing with the interscope. But, um, sorry. Thank you. He's like. I do it all the time.

So she's always over there like. We actually went to a meeting. That was when it was like, do this. It's real like we met with Jimmy Iveen. Wow.

I know. Yeah. Which is who we ended up signing with was the interscope. But that was when it was in Sydney. Like sitting in his office.

And he had like John Lennon's piano from a magic. And like framed to talk lyrics. And it was just like the most insane thing in the world. Posting stuff on the internet. Where are you guys at in your life right there?

So you're sitting. You're signed with the interscope. You're sitting in this office. I'll tell you something funny. We were so broke.

We would ask for CDs. And they're office to go sell it a meba. Mm-hmm. Like because we didn't have any money. So we've got us.

We have like a box. We love like Led Zeppelin is when we're at Lennon. And they give us like a box set of Led Zeppelin. We go to a meba to sell it for like second hand for like 20 or 30 bucks. Because we didn't have any money.

And then they. Atlantic was like, I remember this. They're involved in like hypnotic. Which was like this drink. Yes.

I'd used to drink it. And we'd ask for like. That should get you fucked up. Yeah. We'd ask for like a case of it.

And we would just get drunk off it for a few days. And then go back to another meeting and get another case. And like, yeah, we were like, so it was funny. We're going all these meetings. But we had no money.

Yeah.

“Our manager had like this hoop key ride that we'd all like piling to.”

How did we find the manager? Where did he come from? Just out of the blue? Or was he a man? Yeah, that was our biggest mistake.

Yeah. He managed my band. I was in before Hollywood undead.

But they managed pop a roach at the time.

So it's like, hey, they seem legit. Let's have the manager. So yeah. He was just the only manager we knew. Yeah.

And willing to see the vision. Yeah. He didn't know what he was doing. He was nice guy.

“We just hired him because he was a British.”

We thought he sounded smart. Yeah. I'm going to talk about that accent, though. It was just a wild time. Because it was like, yeah, from nothing.

And then we got a bunch of money. Or at least like in our mind, what was a ton of money at the time. Right. And then yeah, the rest was history. What's the story with Good Charlotte?

Because they took interest in you guys too. Great Charlotte. Great Charlotte, right? Yeah. They're the best.

Yeah, they took interest. How did we even meet up with them? Did they not suggest or something? No. So we.

I love that everybody's DMing you guys. Yeah. It was just hilarious. We used to go out and Hollywood all the time. Right.

But we were like dirt squirrel dudes. We were a street kids. Right. So we would go this place called Powerhouse. And like this place called Tiny.

These really like street bars, gangster kind of trollow bars. And there was all these clubs.

We would never go to those clubs.

They wouldn't like lettuce in there. But then we moved the band started hyping up. We were like we could start getting into these clubs. And could Charlotte DJed at this place called LAX. Right.

And so we started going there. And they knew who we were. And we knew this guy named Tony Lovato who was in this band called Messed. Right. And he knew them.

He had lived with Benji. And so we like got connected to them.

“And those guys are like the coolest dudes in the world.”

Yeah. One of the coolest thing. Because they were big famous dudes. Yeah. And you know, they're ball and stuff.

We were like still like like just street rats. And they're like, hey, they had these like mansions and stuff. And they'd be like coming to our house and we'd roll up there. And they'd let us like, we go swimming and stuff. And they're just super, super cool, super supportive.

Like the brothers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And they just wanted to help it. They never asked for anything from us and stuff. They just thought we were going to do well. And they would give us advice. And hey, man, make sure you do this.

Yeah. Which in this industry, that means a lot. Yeah. We're just looking out for us. Really.

Yeah. Taking us under their wing. Like big brothers. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. Like they brought him by just to Vegas once when he was like with Hillary Doff Joel.

Yeah. And they had like this crazy sweet. Like I'll slept on the floor in it. Like I don't even why they let us hang out there. How do you let Hillary Doff go?

This is what I want to know. I don't know. Yeah. Hillary Doff is hot. I know.

He was big pimping back then. Yeah. But yeah. He would just, they let us hang out with them for some reason. But there are just the coolest dudes.

Yeah. Super cool dudes. But you guys ended up, they helped you. But then you got fired by them or is that? No, no.

So this is when we first started. We, you know, hung out with them. And then we went on our separate ways and bubble block. We ended up hiring as managers. Okay.

Like a decade later. Wow. They're great managers. Right. And we hired them.

We did a record with them. The reason we're not. We weren't. They're, they work more in like the pop world. Right.

They do like Jason Lannick. And they have some great bands. But we're, you know, we're a rock band really. So it just wasn't like the best fit. They're great managers.

Great dudes. And they look out for their artists. It just, we love the dudes. It was just was not. We learned two different kinds of ecosystems.

Right. But they're great dudes.

“Do you guys consider yourself rock or do you guys consider yourself rock?”

No, I, I really don't in a lot of ways. But that's just the world that we've come, like with the festivals we do and stuff.

We've always been like, we'll play with like slipknot in like,

We'd be drawing these bands. We're like, why are we on these, that's the world we've been. Yeah. Except for some reason. Yeah.

You guys have been, I think it's because it's like, We've always had that alpha angry. Probably. And that's that's literally how rocket. We kind of just ended up in that world.

That was never like the world we pushed or anything like that. We would, like, I, we thought we're going to be a hip hop band. Shockingly, my husband was on all those rock festivals too. Exactly. Yeah.

We're like, right. Oh, yeah. Like, what are we doing in this rock festival? They, they in tech nine's always on them. Yeah, I love tech.

Yeah, tech's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I watched that was great. I watched it was great.

It's just the energy of the band. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

In hip hop is so popular that obviously they always have had like some hip hop type bands. That I guess it makes sense. But yeah, we were just embraced by that world more so and like rock radio played us. And, you know, obviously like power 106 wasn't going to play us. So it was like, all right, fine.

So it was just kind of where we ended up. And you guys have been touring with Ronnie falling in reverse. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. How's that going for you guys?

Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. A lot to go back out with them too for all of September. I love that.

Yeah. He's special, special man. Oh yeah, he's hilarious. Yeah. I become a major fan.

I told him, like, I might sign up for the meet and greet. Literally. He could have wanted to. He could be a fucking opera singer. Seriously.

He's great. So we talked about that crazy vocal range. Yeah. Yeah. And he's just funny as hell.

So take me on this journey with you guys. After you guys developed this band and the seven of you. There was a little bit of drama. We don't have to really go too deep into it. We just want to touch base on it because you're read it thread for some reason.

They have so many questions because they feel like they don't really know the whole story

So can we talk about it? We never talk.

“It's funny because we never really told anyone.”

Right. People all the part of that was because they would talk like shit. We didn't want to give it any error. Yeah. Yeah.

But really it was just, you know, differences of opinion. And it was like which direction the band was going. And you know, people do people act like assholes. It was just kind of like, you know, first and foremost like me and I grew up with that. We were like best friends from when we were little kids.

It was not like easy, but people change. You know, it was like one of those things. It's suck. No one wanted that to happen. But none of us made that decision.

No. He got he. So he left on his own. Something snapped with him. Something changed to where he all the sudden got very controlling.

And very crazy and very weird. And it was, it was hard to be around. But we dealt with it. You know, and it got to a point where he left the band. Like he's the one who left.

We were at the airport. He didn't show up. So we're like, all fuck. So I had to sing and do all my rap parts. It was a lot of shit to do.

Right. So that was hard. But it was not our idea to do that. That was none of us thought it. Yeah.

Because at that point we were also almost relieved. Yeah. Because it was just like, but dude, it wasn't like the way we wanted it. And it wasn't like the way we planned it. But you know, it's funny.

You see this stuff. And you hear about this stuff happening.

“And when it happens in your world, you're like, what?”

Yeah. It's going on with this guy. But that's really what happened. And it was kind of like one of those things. So I don't know how to explain it.

Partially because I've never talked to him since.

But we were best friends from when we were a little kids prior to that. And everything shifted. So there's no. They maybe was just too young to handle that much. I think so.

Yeah. Because that's a lot. Like when you guys post on my space and then you guys are signing record deals. And then money is coming into play and there's seven of you. It's like, yeah, maybe some people just aren't need for that or whatever.

But you know, to turn your friends in anamis is not the the smartest thing to do. And that's really what happened. So it was like, well, fuck you then. And we just decided to move on. So it was never like.

If this dude was just like whatever to us. We didn't know he didn't he make a disc album about you guys or was there was a whole thing. So there was this he's saying this that and the other thing. And then, you know, it was either like, do we respond? Our response was let's just not do anything because it's just going to give them air.

And then obviously there was a time where Jay and Dylan were down and Hollywood and they beat them up with it. He was with a bunch of people down there. That was my next question. Yeah. There was really a fight.

Yeah. That was the team's he like covered it. So it's already public knowledge. They found him down there. And he had said enough stuff to that point.

But we were never going to like post.

I love that you guys are about it, though. Oh, yeah. We were going to say anything. But we saw him. It was on, you know what I mean?

Yeah. And then so they did that. And then he sued us. And it was like. So we got a lot like you talk all this shit.

And then you get your ass kicked. And it was there was like three of them. And like way dude. It was a very lopsided competition. And they all ran.

And they all ran. Yeah. And they all ran. They all lost. The ones who stayed got their asses kicked.

And then you sue as a response. And act like you got jumped. It's like, dude, there was 10 of you guys. And there was three of them. And then you sue.

And so there was this big lawsuit. And all this stuff. And a bunch of made up stuff. He said, I wasn't even there. And he said, I was there with an AK.

I wasn't even there. I was 20 miles away. And he put. So I wasn't there. I wish I was there.

But I was. When your reputation precedes you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I was a fucking higher lawyer to defend myself. To prove I wasn't there. I was at home. Yeah. In trust me, I wish I was there.

But I wasn't there. So that he, all this stuff. So who starts a fight loses and then sue those people. Yeah. So all this stuff happened.

So we never fed the fire anything else.

We handled what we had to handle when it came down to it. We ended up winning the loss or settling the lawsuit. Because we had enough ammo to say, hey, look, this guy was making enough threats. And all him, we could prove that it was defense when we fought or whatever. So that all went away.

The other stuff was just bullshit drama with the other dudes. Just not getting along. You know, normal stuff. Yeah. That was the only real fire fiery stuff.

And, you know, the other stuff is just normal. Hey, we don't get along anymore type stuff. But I love that you guys, even through all of this have managed to still say together. And so because a lot like this would have broke up a band like normally. This would have like you guys would have probably done your own adventures on

side quests and just let the Hollywood undead name kind of rest. But you guys literally just kept trucking. And I think that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, we want to end it at least on our terms. Right.

You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, when at the end of the day we'll do it our way. And now it like now that that stuff is behind us,

“I think we enjoy ourselves now more than ever.”

And we've kind of settled into what we want to do. And, you know, the bygons or bygons. And to be honest with you, I don't even have any hard feelings towards any of these people now.

So that's good. That's growth though.

That's, you know, I still want to stop somebody out.

So there's Jay Dog, funny man. Johnny three tears Charlie seeing in Danny. Yeah. In the group now. Yeah.

“Can you guys describe each other in three brutally honest words?”

Each one of you guys. Three words per person. I are just you two. You've been saying that since you guys were kids. Yeah.

What would you say? But he called you piece of shit. So what would you say? No. I was counting how many words it was.

Oh. He just likes to count. Yeah. It's the last thing. It's like a dusting off in a rainman.

Yeah. Counts words. I just say totally great guy. Oh. You know, even with a piece of shit thing.

You're not going to think that low. I'm not going to do what do you did. What a good guy. Fuck. Fuck.

I love it. I love it. So how do you guys balance individual egos and visions within the band now? You get married and get your ego crushed. So are all of you guys married now?

We're pretty much settled down. Everyone except for funny man got divorced. Yeah. You married and divorced. Yeah.

That's all right. You live in your learn. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are holding on strong in your marriages.

Yeah. Yeah. You married for 12 year olds. She predicts you were as they say, right? Yeah.

So right. So my husband, too. Yeah. Why wife loves a show. So.

Yeah. What's her name? Asia and she told me to say hi. Hi, Asia. I bet she's hot too.

I want to see you guys as wise. I don't think I've ever seen you guys as wise. I've seen J dogs wife and I love J dog and shout out to J dog because people give me shit about my cows on fucking online and he'll be in the comments sticking up for me.

That's my good love. That's so sweet. Yeah. He's an animal lover. Oh, I love him.

He's like 90 cats. Yeah. Yeah.

He's always got some man.

That's crazy cat man. You know. That's a crazy cat man. Yeah. Yeah.

He's a cat. I remember I when we used to work in North Hollywood together. We had like this kind of like trap house type thing. Yeah. And there was right.

There was like a bum village right by it. Yeah. We're always going in there to like rescue the cats that live there. He would go in there and the buns didn't want to give up the cat. So we'd have like bribe them to get the cats.

Oh my god. Because otherwise they would just run around out of control having more kittens and they die and stuff. So, you know, negotiating with these buns and like to give us the cats. Oh.

We're always on these crazy cat adventures. I love that though. Yeah. So you guys do contribute like calming down to being married, having babies. Do you have babies?

Yeah. Yeah. I have two boys. Six. Five and six.

And how old are your babies? Three girls. One's three. One's five and one is 16. Karma came for Utah.

Yeah. Yeah. You want to hear something cool. Me and him had a kid on the exact same day. He has got a boy and I have a girl born.

And at the same day at the same hospital right down the hall for me. Yeah. I was like a Disney movie. Yeah.

“I think you guys were either brothers and another life.”

Yeah. We're going to be related too because my son's going to be hit. Oh my god. So good name.

I'm just going to be his first three.

Some of the two youngest. Oh, for the I full tower. Yeah. I love that. I'm going to be proud.

Love that love that. I love that. Do you guys feel like your recent music reflects growth and or like, do you guys feel like your recent albums that you've dropped reflect growth from the boys that you guys used to be or are those wild party boys still in there?

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I honestly, it's funny. I mean, I used to think of it.

It's music's not like in your like that, you know, so I don't. There's something that's great. Like when I listen like early BC boys stuff, you could say like, oh, they grew because their music became more like complex or because the subject matter was. But I love their really stuff just as much. It's more just like where someone is is at.

You know what I mean? So it's like our early stuff. We were just really young and like one of the things I love about it is like all the anger was so sincere. And that's, you know, in like the party stuff. We were doing all that stuff.

Yeah. So I don't look at it as just two different time periods. Yeah. And I really cherished when I listen that stuff, I used to get kind of like, I would have done something different. I really did get caught up in that.

And now I don't. Now I listen to it and I really do like look at it and kind of like encapsulated something special. Whereas before I used to be like, we should have done this different or that different or we could have made this better as opposed. Now I just kind of go, you know what, that was, it was cool for what it was. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

“Well, it's like, I think we try for the most part are we do right from honesty.”

And like we're not like saying we're doing something that we're not. So it's like, do I show my dick and go to the club and fucking do Yager bombs? No. I don't do that anymore. No.

No. No. No. No. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

Yes.

“We're just writing from real places now and we still write party songs too, but they're just different now.”

Yeah. You have to evolve. Yeah. You have been says that all the time because, you know, people want, wrap a roll back. And he's like, what I'm fucking 40 years old.

What am I supposed to sing about drugs? Yeah. If you're not, you're like, you're, you're trying not to them. Right. What do you mean it's like, if we wrote undead again, because a lot, we've heard it.

I love undead. I will fucking beat somebody up listening to undead. Every label we ever, every man, hey, why not, you guys ever trying to write another undead? It's like, that doesn't happen. It doesn't exist because it was organic.

We were mad and it was like a period in time. Yeah. And if we wrote another undead, people were like, oh, this isn't as good as the undead. Right. You can't.

So it's like the whole concept of redoing like a remaking something you've already done is impossible. You're like a completely different person. It was 20 years ago. Yes. Yeah.

You just got to find the next thing that's as good, but just honest.

It's always going to be different.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's like, you're, you're concerns and where you're at emotionally and spiritually and stuff as much different 20 years later.

Yeah. But doesn't mean your music can't be just as good. It's just going to be about something else. Yeah. Absolutely.

Can you tell me the story about when you hung out with my husband and ended up having to sleep in your car? Yeah. The truth, too. Yeah.

That was a good night. Can I tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Oh. You got, I'll tell you my version of that.

“Listen, we can cut out whatever you need to, but I would like to.”

No, I don't care. Okay. So we went there and I actually drove there because I was like, I'm not going to drink or anything. So normally, like, if I was going to, you know, would Uber or something.

Yeah. And we were sitting around with bailish and jelly and some other dudes and him and stuff. And then they started, we had some like to kill and stuff.

And then there was like some drugs.

You know, cocaine came out. So they go, boy. She was going to turn into something different. I was like, oh, I drove. You know, so I was trying to kind of be like, I drove.

I can't really. He's like, oh, don't worry about it. My security card will drive your car home. And I was like, well, then how's he going to get back? He's like, my other security card will drive him back.

And I was like, so I kind of ran out of excuses. So I was like, okay. And so we drank. And then we like, we had like, we were. We spelled out a giant G and a giant J and cocaine.

Like spelled out the lettering. But he didn't touch it. So I did the whole G. He's like, I took it upon myself. He was like, yeah.

We reported this on. And I remember to it took me because I was so yacked out. I was like, I thought you turned into like the not the fun guy. When you hit blow. Yeah.

Well, you know, generally even said he's like, man, you said when you did coke, you changed. And when you do coke, you change. Yeah. Because I get really like wired up. And it makes me want to rock.

If I'm not absolutely completely shit face. Yeah. And I do a line of cocaine. I will rock back and forth. Like, I'm in a straight jacket.

Like, I know. So you're in a studio trying to record in your box stand. And you're trying to like focus.

“That is the worst thing for me to try and do if I'm doing blow.”

Yeah. So anyway, the end of the night comes around in the dude. This big ass security guard is like driving me home. I don't even know what's going on. Probably.

Probably. You super cool. Yeah. But, you know, he was just like. Like, I don't know how to ram it.

He's like, he's like, oh my boy. Yeah. So he drives me down the way I fall. Follows. And then we get there.

And I'm knocking on the door. And no one will let me in. I'm pretty sure my wife wife is like seven in the morning or six in the morning. No one was coming up. So it's like, oh, I hate that feeling.

So I was like, dude, I'll just go in my car. It's fine. He's like, no. Jelly told me not to leave until I see you going to house. I was like, dude, leave.

He's like, I can't do that. I was like, dude, you're going to get me. Like, this is going to be way worse. My wife wakes up. I don't hear what some giant security guard is going to make me get me.

He's like, I'm sorry. He's my boss. I can't go. And I was like, oh my god. What am I going to do?

And like, people are waking up and walking their dogs. This guy's like seven feet tall. And I'm standing up from my house. Poked out of my brain. And so I was like, what am I going to do?

What am I going to do? So I was like, OK, well, let me try the garage and I open it. And there's like a fridge that blocks the garage door. And I acted like I was opening the door. And he was like, standing out there like this.

And so I was like, oh, it's open. He's like, like this. And I saw, like, this behind me. [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE]

Oh, yeah. [INAUDIBLE] And I just hit there like that until he drove away. He went and hit my car for the rest of the night. Oh, my god.

That is brutal. You can sleep in the car. Did you sleep at all? What happened when you got in the car? That's where I'm curious about it.

No, I laid there. And then, uh, I don't know. I probably would listen like some Billy Joel and just-- [LAUGHTER] What was your best?

I was during mouthwash to go to sleep on like-- Oh, I've been--

Yeah, when I'd never be awful.

I was probably just playing there scared of my wife. Yeah, all right.

But she was always wifey-pist.

No, she was cool about it. I don't know. She knows what happened. So now, probably. Yeah.

[LAUGHTER] But what does my house been if I can release the whole story? Yeah. I love that. Yeah, it's okay with me.

Because now it's funny because I haven't drank or done drugs in two years. And that she asked me if I could do it for a year and I said yes. I did a year. And then I was allowed to drink or do whatever I wanted. And I just did another year.

Because I was like, why not? You've got two years behind. I'm telling you, when I got sober in 2017, off pills and cocaine, 2018 off alcohol. Subriding sucks.

It's the worst journey that you'll ever go on. But it is the most rewarding and most fulfilling. The more years you get under your belt. You don't even-- I used to wake up and crave chewing a zanx and like drinking vodka.

And now I can't even fucking take cough syrup. You know, like it's crazy how we change as we get older. And when you really just have a goal that you want to reach. That's ours. It's good for you.

No, you're really good for you. I love that. It's tough.

“In life is much more fulfilling without that stuff.”

At least the way I look at it, too, is like stuff's hard. But at least you have like a chance to fix things. Yes. If you keep-- if I kept drinking or you keep doing that stuff,

you're never even to get up to the plate.

You're just going to keep knocking yourself back down before you even have a shot. And having to start over. Yeah. It's like, is it worth it to have to knock all those days

down that you just accumulated under your belt for a drink or for a night of death? Right. Like shit. And hangovers are not the same.

Are you guys in your 40s? Yeah. Okay. So hangovers are not the fucking same. No, they're two days minimum.

Oh, I get three. And in my mental health afterwards. I just thought it was like depressing. Yes. It's like the depression.

Yeah. Yeah. People talk to you. Oh, yeah. No.

I won't leave the house. Like Thai food all for all three days. I know. It's not like my house. It's not like Thai food.

It's like we do the same thing. And we're hungover. Yeah. Really? I don't like Thai.

Yeah. I'll drink coconut soup all day long. Yeah. I can eat fucking curry. It just for you.

Imagine those wasted days, three days, where you could have been doing all the stuff. Yeah. You're just watching expiles, which is what I do. Yeah.

And it's like I just wasted my life. Yeah. All these to all that time. And then you know, I have three kids. Mm-hmm.

When I went, oh, damn, tired. Yeah.

“I think one of the part, because I'm, you know,”

and lying and shedding. Yeah. They don't take note. And these kids these days do not take note for an answer. Hell no.

No, no. Yeah. You're wasting all these good memories and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I'm proud of you for the two years. Thank you. I'm very proud of you. So moving on. What do we have to look forward from you guys this year,

2025 and next year, 2026. We got that tour with Fallen and Reverse in September. And then we're working with the producer Tyler Smith, who we're super excited to work with. He, he did the song Saviour that just came out.

And he's just most talented producer. I've ever worked with personally and the crazy thing about him. He doesn't know he lives in the hood, though. Yeah. Yeah.

He lives in the hood. That's the one in East LA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He produced, I prevail, and Fallen and Reverse. When both of those bands used to open for us. And he produced them. And they're, the biggest rock bands out there.

Yeah. Yeah. So we're hoping he can do that for us. Yeah. I think you guys are like, you guys have had nine lives.

Yeah. For this band, it's to make it through all you guys have. And 20 years. You guys are still making new albums, recreating yourself. I mean, you guys are going to be here for a while.

You guys aren't going anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. You never know, right? Yeah.

That's what he says going. What do you think the sound is going to be like on this next album? What do you guys hoping it'll be? Yeah. I mean, well, say, the song we just, we had two songs come out so far.

And both of them are like completely disidentical from each other. Yeah.

What I always, what I always like, I just want to make sure that what we're doing is nothing like what we've done before.

That's always what I go for. Right. I think what we go for. Yeah. Um, keeping it original.

When I listen to, you know, when I listen to the radio, I always listen to it to make sure we don't sound like anything on it. Yeah. Like, guys, I've a new country. Yeah. - Yeah, you love this.

- Yeah, yeah, I like right and produced country since I moved out here in the next video. Shout out, La Kade, I told my drop is name on here. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it.

- I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - Asia, come on down, maybe.

So would you guys do like a country song? 'Cause I know, when you guys have collabed with my husband, and I think that that song was great, it wasn't country, but it was great. - Right, right. - You guys should collab again and do like something great.

- Heck yeah. - I would love to be amazing. I know, I've always, I think like in Hollywood and dead, we do have the luxury of doing any genre, and I've talked about country enough to where fans are almost expecting us to do a country song

that also is Hollywood and dead. - We could essentially do anything we want. - Exactly. - Yeah. - Like whatever. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

- I could see you guys doing a dosy dough thing. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - No, that would be lit. - You guys, thank you so much for coming by. - Thank you for having us. - Thank you for having us.

- I'm glad we finally made this happen.

“- Yeah, totally. - That's what it was, too.”

- Long time come in. Tell everybody where they can find you guys on your social medias if they aren't already following you.

- There you go.

“- Yeah, I don't know anything about that.”

- Yeah.

- Do you guys have personal profiles?

- Yeah, they're what we're trying to say. - Easy. - No, he's some shit. The real Charlie scene, T-H-E, no. - Not she, he's seen.

- Not she.

- And then what's yours, Johnny?

- Three tiers? - I'm guessing. - Yeah. - Yeah, probably.

“- Johnny, three tiers, something, or piece of,”

slash piece of shit.

- No, I'll take that back.

- I'll take that back. - I'll take that back. - And catch you guys on tour with Falling University. - Yeah, yeah. - The September, yep.

- Florida, prevail. - Where are you guys going?

“Is this out of the country or is this here?”

- US, Canada, World Cup. - Okay, awesome. Yeah, we'll go get your tickets, guys. And if we're on the road when you guys are on the road, I wanna come see a show.

- Hecto, yeah. - Have a nice time. - All right. - Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dunbalon.

See you guys next week. Bye. (upbeat music)