The Hidden Biochemistry Behind Anxiety & Brain Fog | Eva Hooft

The process of detoxification is something that the body does naturally.

As a society, we're just more toxic than we've ever been. It's just like a marketing scam or marketing term just to sell you products. Just because it feels good doesn't mean it's actually supporting you. They're literally everywhere, right? Like tap water has heavy metals.

Like if we walk outside and we're breathing air, we're breathing in aluminum. I was seeing things that weren't there. Literally, it can change our perception and the brain chemistry. Our bodies actually naturally have defense mechanisms to make sure that these parasites don't overgrow.

Eva, thank you so much for taking some time with us today. I'm really excited to chat. Likewise, thank you for having me on. Yeah, so I'm going to be very honest. This is going to be a very selfish episode because I armchair amateur all the stuff that you talk about.

I look so interested in, but with no background.

“That's why I love the podcast because I get to bring on amazing experts like yourself and then”

I get to pepper you with questions for a while and learn a bunch of really cool stuff. I want to start with the idea of a detox. If you've been on Instagram for more than 30 seconds, you've been pitched some form of a detox and some form of ad in your stories or wherever. Maybe just break down for the audience at a high level.

What is a detox? Why do we need these things in our lives today? Like maybe just let's start really high level on this idea of detoxing. And then I want to kind of bring us down to the ground and get a little nitty gritty as we go through our conversation.

Yeah, that sounds great.

I think it's important to understand first and foremost that the process of detoxification

is something that the body does naturally. It's essentially like in the simplest way to put it, we're coming into contact with things that are not supportive to our bodies, whether we talk about actual toxins in the form of heavy metals or microplastics or other things, but sometimes it's even toxins that our body or organisms in our bodies produces itself or even just toxins that our body produces as

the byproduct of some sort of process internally. And so typically, let's say we look at 100,000 years ago, our toxic load in our day-to-day life was a lot lower than it is today. So for example, we have a lot more toxins in our external environment.

“But also one massive toxin that I think people don't really understand is the amount of stress”

that we have in our day-to-day life, right? So stress in general is going to have massive impact on the entire body, including that natural detoxification process. And so over time, due to all these like inner and external factors, the natural process of detoxification tends to slow down.

And so what I kind of look at with detoxification is essentially just a simple as, you know, we're packaging harmful substances into less harmful ones and then hopefully excreting them out of the body, right? So that's as easy as we can make it. Now, what happens is that if we are in a chronic state of fighter flight, which, you know,

many of us wake up, we check our email first thing in the morning, maybe like we're eating

foods that are not good for us, we're having this idea that we always need to work or perform,

or whatever the external stress is, that natural process actually slows down and a lot of those toxins end up backing up. And so, you know, by the time that we're 20, 30, 40 years old, chances are that we've probably been in a state of chronic fighter flight for at least a couple of the years, you know, that we are on this planet with like the high stress load these days.

And also the additional toxic burden that we face now versus like a hundred years ago. And so those combinations essentially kind of lead to the body being in a place where it can't really deal with all the toxic load and the stress on the liver.

“Now, you know, there's so many things that give stress on the liver, right?”

We haven't even talked about like medications and alcohol and things that, you know, we normalize these days, like even, you know, things like taking painkillers quite frequently, like all of these things add additional stress to the liver. And at some point the liver is like, all right, I can't deal with all this toxic load, right? So then the body has to package these toxins and store them for, you know, potentially a later time where the body does have time and energy to

start to kind of move these toxins out of the body. And a lot of these toxins depending on if they are fat soluble or rotisoluble, they can be stored in fat tissue or even sometimes in our organs, our soft tissues, our nervous system. And especially this is true with heavy metals. So over time, you know, we start noticing symptoms, maybe 20, 30 years down the line. And we try to look for external circumstances that caused our bloating, our fatigue, our brain fog, you know,

our lack of energy, whereas the way that I look at it, we're just dealing with toxic overload

And so it kind of just leads down to this whole epidemic, I would say, of like toxicity that kind of

“stacks up generation after generation. And that's why I think today, you know, we're facing”

so many people on Instagram saying, like, you need to detox, we need to have these types of detoxes because it's true, like as a society, we're just more toxic than we've ever been, you know, like I said, like 10, 20, 30 years ago. And I will just add like a little thing here, I'm sure we'll go into this later as well. Like, not everything that people call detoxing, like doing a juice cleanse or, you know, buying a detox kit is actually detoxing your body quite

often. It's just like a marketing scam or marketing term, just to sell you products, because the way that I look at detoxification, the best thing that we can do is just to turn on your body's natural detoxification process again, or to kind of up regulate that in a way that's supportive and that honors the body's natural time. And so that's really where that differentiation comes in versus, you know, doing something that's supportive for your body versus just something

that's like a marketing scam that you spend a couple hundred dollars on that isn't actually going to do anything. So I'm going to butcher this word, but would like auto, phagey, auto,

yeah, it could you say it again, a toffogy, a toffogy. I don't know, I always butcher that word.

So this would be like that's one of the natural processes of removing, I know that has something to do with removing cells, but it also like it finds the cells that are kind of the have toxins in them and prioritizes that. And like this is one of those natural processes that we have in our body. Yes, I know. So a toffogy, right, is well researched in terms of like longevity, cancer, research, stuff like that. So it's essentially what you're saying, like the body's natural

way of cleaning up like dead cells and cells that are, you know, no longer need it, really. However, in that process, right, what tends to happen sometimes, if we are fasting a lot, for example,

“because that's how we induce a toffogy mosaiced through fasting or things that kind of get us”

out of the digestive mode. However, oftentimes when we do that process, when we're already depleted, we might actually make our issues worse. So I think like a toffogy and fasting and like doing those like very, in a way, like depleting things on the body can be extremely helpful in the right set and setting. So it kind of depends on, you know, the individual, like what their mineral status is, it depends on how their nervous systems optimizing, because like the process

of fasting itself is actually very stressful in the body, right? And we talk always about like

her medical stress, like good stress and bad stress. And, you know, I personally believe that we need a good balance of both, because we need to, you know, increase our window of tolerance when it comes to stress. However, if someone's already pushed over their edge, any stress, even it could be labeled good or bad, is going to be bad stress to that person, right? So I like to say like when it comes to detoxing, like actually like the process of like neutralizing harmful substances,

packaging them, like, excreting them, that actually needs a lot of co-factors in order to properly work. So it needs certain amino acids, you know, certain vitamins. And so oftentimes when we're in a fasted state, we actually lack a lot of those nutrients. So yes, in a way, it could be that you're,

“you know, removing harmful substances from the body one way or another, but you have to have”

both, like you can't just get your body into a topogen fast all the time, like it's not going to allow your body to release like heavy metals that are in the brain and the nervous system, because we actually need adequate nutrients in order to release those. That makes sense. So basically, that is one tool of several and kind of cleaning your body and cleaning your body out. And just just to kind of reiterate what you said from for myself, when we're, when we're fasting and if we're

doing maybe longer fast than say a standard 13 or 16, when we're getting into say a 24 or 36 or longer, if we have excess toxins in our body in that case, because we could actually, what you're saying, we caused more harm because now there isn't the, we're not replenishing behind it, right? Is that what it is? Now, all of a sudden, like, those, they have more opportunity, is that like a period of time where you might feel worse and then you get better or is it, like,

do we deal with an overload of external toxins in our body first before we start looking at things like longer, fast or whatever, for, for longevity purposes? Is that, like, is there a routine to it, a process to it, or is it, you can kind of do everything at the same time?

Yeah, there's definitely a process to it. Like, when, and I always tell this to my clients,

because I have so many clients who are already in like the health and on the space, they're like, on a ton of supplements, they've tried a lot of things, right? And they're still like, well, I still don't feel great. Like, how come, like, if done all the protocols have done the fasting, right? And so oftentimes, I tell them, like, we have these things, like, even a sauna,

where bodies are at? Like, how are our drainage pathways, which you can talk about in a moment?

Like, are they open? Is there congestion? Because if we have kind of, like, an issue with, like, one of the processes in the body, we can do something that's really helpful for someone else. And it can actually poison us, right? So I look at fasting almost the same way. Like, if someone is extremely robust, their nervous system is regulated. Like, if someone, for example, has been on, like, a standard American diet, right? Like, they eat, like, all these seed oils, like,

they're super inflamed. But they've had, you know, like, a calorie surplus for many years. They have access weight, like, all of that stuff, like, maybe potentially, like, if that person doesn't have a lot of stress in their life, and they have pretty good mineral levels, like, them going into a

“fast, is going to, like, decrease inflammation, probably reduce a ton of their symptoms, right?”

So, like, we're talking about person A, but the issue is that most people who come to me, like,

they already are, like, super healthy on the outside, right? Like, they're working out. They're, like, they're probably, like, high achievers. Like, they're, they're doing so much in their life already, that actually is adding more stress than someone who's just, like, on the couch all day and watching TV, like, quite, quite frankly. And so oftentimes, these people that have done a lot of things that have done a lot of diets that are very selective with their food, because of, like, whether it's,

like, emotional stress, nervous system stuff from, like, the past, or even just current circumstances, these people tend to come into my programs quite depleted already. So, if they start fasting, right? Yes, they might feel that an issue, like, benefit of mental clarity, because, you know, the gut isn't, especially, like, if the gut has some imbalances, like, if you don't eat food, of course, you're going to feel better because those bacteria don't start releasing these toxins,

right? So, you might assume you're getting better because your inflammation's lower, and you might feel more mental clarity and less fatigue. However, just because it feels, feels good. It doesn't mean it's actually supporting you, right? Like, it's the same thing with certain substances. Like, you can have a glass of wine. It feels really good. But is it actually supporting you? So, I kind of look at, what is this person's body saying on all levels? And what

do they actually need? And quite often with most people, they actually need more nourishment, less stress, more rest, like, more time in nature, you know, like, working on their circadian rhythm, optimizing their nutrition. And oftentimes, that's the thing that actually really gives the body enough energy to start healing those, like, chronic symptoms, even though, you know, we're meant to believe, like, oh, just fast and all your problems will go away. So,

yeah, yeah, that was like, uh, I hear maybe it was late, 20 teens. I remember fast. I mean, not the fasting is a new concept by an any regard. But, like, really kind of roared back into popularity and everyone was fasting. And, you know, the rocks on Instagram talking about is daily 16 hour fast. Everyone wants to look like the rocks. So, now we all got a fast 16 hours. And, so before we go too much deeper into specific topics, I'd love for you to just maybe label or

“discuss, like, what are actual toxins? Like, like, is it because I think, you know, as someone”

knew, like I said, I probably live in the not non-expert, but like amateur, you know, weekend, health guy, you know what I mean? Like, I super into it, but not enough to ever give anybody advice. And then, you know, I have a lot, but I have a lot of friends who don't take care of themselves super well. Maybe used to be athletes, you know, but all of a sudden, you know, I don't know how I'll do your late 30s or late mid 40s and life gets super hectic. You know, I'd hate to show you

what my kid's sports schedule looks like and how much free time I have to work on myself. So, look, what are actual toxins? Like, I know when those guys, they're just thinking, like, heavy metals or some like, you know, getting lice all in your, you know, some, some like chemical in your system, but I know that those are the only ones, and then could you also maybe talk a little bit about where, like, a pair of sights and how they're different, because I see a lot of

stuff about parasites these days too, and, and then, you know, we can get down into some more tactical things to do after that. But like, what are these actual toxins and parasites that we're trying to remove? Yeah. So, right, like, a toxin is really anything that doesn't really serve a purpose in the body and has some sort of influence on how the body functions, right? So, I mean, there's so many toxins, like, way too many to name, but I will, I will just kind of start

with, like, the categories that people probably recognize the most, right? Like, heavy metals being one of them, and of course, like, people think that, like, we get heavy metals from, like,

“very specific things, like, you know, the mercury fillings or things like that, but I think what”

people don't realize is that they're literally everywhere, right? Like, tap water has heavy metals, like, if we walk outside and we're breathing air, we're breathing in aluminum, right? Like, they're, they're everywhere, they're in car exhaust, they're in plain exhaust, like, they're in

basically, like, tons of things, like, you're smoking cigarettes, if you've ever smoked cigarettes,

weed is really high, and, like, certain pesticides that have heavy metals. So, any foods that contain certain pesticides, quite often, there's heavy metals in fertilized certain fertilizers, as well. There might be heavy metals in the soil, which is why some plants, even organic ones, will have higher amounts of heavy metals. So, cacao is actually a really common one. So, how many people eat chocolate or cacao, you know, like, maybe have, like, a protein powder with cacao

in them, almost always as it contains some levels of, like, cap me in and lead. Same with, you know,

crops, like, rice, rice is another really common one to contain higher levels of arsenic,

“conventional chicken, conventional peanut butter, even certain seed oils are cut. I think it's”

nickel, don't coat me on that, but, like, they're just, like, in the industrial process, and they're kind of everywhere, and they just, like, end up in our foods. And so, you know, we might think that we're eating healthy, because we're eating whole foods or whatever, and maybe you have some, like, fancy protein powder and, and green smoothie powder, and little that we know, you know, we're consistently poisoning ourselves with these heavy metals. And so, this is why I'm obviously really glad that more and

more people are talking about it, and, you know, companies are being more transparent about, like, their third-party testing and heavy metal testing. But, yeah, heavy metals, I would say,

it's, like, up there, amongst, like, the ones that are, like, most dangerous to our health,

and this is particularly, because they don't just, like, pass through the body, right? Like, the body doesn't just, like, naturally eliminate them quite often, but it actually retains them, especially in the face of mineral deficiency. So, these heavy metals essentially hijack the same

“mineral-uptake patterns or pathways. And so, let's say that we are deficient in zinc, and the”

body now starts to kind of upregulate the uptake of zinc, but certain heavy metals that through process called ionic memory, mimicry, kind of mimic zinc, for example, at, like, the atomic or, yeah, like, the, the level. And so, then it absorbs more of that heavy metal and now retains that. And so, the issue is that, like, in the face of these mineral deficiencies, the body will actually use the heavy metal to function, like, at a lesser function, then, of course, when it has the

mineral, but better than when it has nothing. And so, this is also why it's so dangerous,

when people start to suddenly kill it or actually pull aggressively, like, these heavy metals out of the body, because of the body still deficians. Hey, it's not going to want to let go of this metal, so you kind of get all those, like, really intense symptoms. And be, you might be, potentially, like, making your issues worse by pulling a metal out that your body is actively using. So, there's a lot of information there. Like, one of my mentors, Clark Engelberg,

break this breaks this down super well. And, same does, like, Dr. Paul at Conductor Wilson's research has a ton of information there as well. So, I would say heavy metals are the ones that we need to be, you know, quite cautious of, but then we also have things like, perfume, you know, how many products that you put on your skin or even just, like, soaps that you use or things like that have unnatural perfumes. I think anything that's labeled

as perfume can have up to 3,000 undisclosed chemicals in it. Like, it doesn't need to say that. So, there's no regulation around what is in perfume. A lot of that is endocrine disrupting. It actually, like, has a ton of effects on the bottom or on the body, especially if you spray perfume, you know, right on your thyroid or on your skin, which is a big organ of absorption. And then, of course, we have things like, you know, even microplastics, PFAS, VPA, so

how many of us are, you know, wearing our little lemons at our aloeoga, you know, sports gear, where every time that we wash that, it releases microplastics, every time that we sweat, we absorb those microplastics and/or a skin. And then, of course, you know, when you're cooking in the kitchen, you know, like the Teflon pan, it's like, maybe you're cooking on, like, aluminum baking sheets or aluminum foil. You might be using, you know, plastic top or where. So, it's,

“it's kind of like, it's everywhere and it's, you have to put a lot of time and effort into”

avoid it. But the way that I look at it, it's like, rather than becoming a maniac about avoiding every single, you know, microplastic and every single metal and every single, like, talks and out there, if we have resilience and if we are in a state that we are like fully nourished and we have good mineral reserves, we're actually absorbing a lot less of these toxins and our detox pathways are going to work better. So, you like, remineralizing your body, you regulating your nervous system,

you working on yourself is directly going to have an impact on how many toxins you absorb. So, like, one person that might not be, you know, doing mineral balancing or eating good foods, you know, especially if you're fasting all the time, you're actually absorbing more toxins in a depleted state. So, like, you know, people think they're doing all the right things, but they're absorbing more versus someone who is actually like eating really good quality foods all the time, like, you know,

eating high nutrient dense foods and stuff like that. So, that's what I would say. I look at toxins out. Okay, there's a lot of scary stuff in there. Now, how are parasites different because I

toxins into the body and it's the toxins. So, what is, what is, maybe what are parasites and why,

why do you see people talking about, you know, like, if you have a cat, there's like a 90% chance you have this parasite and if you have, you know, animals and, you know, and should be be cognizant of parasites, do they fall in the same type of vein of negative impact as toxins in

“our body or the two separate things? Completely separate. So, this is actually where I think a lot,”

there's a lot of misconception in the space. There's really two schools of thought here, right? So, I'm not sure if you're familiar with, like, the term terrain theory and germ theory, but essentially, like, our entire Western medicine system is built on the idea of germ theory. So, it's essentially says that, like, a parasite bacteria or some sort of external factor is the cause of disease, right? So, if someone gets, like, COVID virus, they all have the same symptoms and illnesses or if someone

gets exposed to this parasite, it has to be the cause of XYZ disease. And so,

there's another school of thought that actually was basically, it started up right around the same

time of the germ theory. There's a lot of good research around this. I would highly recommend people to look into this and it essentially says that it's not the external thing that's causing

“the disease or the symptom, but it's the internal, so let's say, like, the host's conditions of”

how their body essentially is functioning at the time, whether or not disease is expressed. So, for example, right? Two people can walk into a moldy apartment. One person immediately gets a headache. They get, you know, crazy neurological symptoms and the other person doesn't notice the thing, right? One person might be exposed to a virus or to a bacterium and one person gets sick and the other one doesn't, right? So, this kind of explains how we can't say with certainty that

one organism causes one type of disease. And so, we start looking at, okay, well, how come person A and person B respond differently? And that's oftentimes everything that's going on inside the body. So, again, comes down to the nervous system, right? Like, how is their nervous system functioning? What's their mineral status? Like, how are their detoxification organs where they're digestive organs? Like, how are they working and functioning? And so, the way that I look at

parasites, a little, you know, side-brand here, to kind of get to the point. So, parasites, essentially, in the same way that when we look at a forest and we, like, take a scoop of the soil,

there's going to be a million microorganisms in the soil, right? And so, the health of the soil

determines which types of organisms are there. And so, the same thing happens with our microbiome or with our body, for example, right? So, there's certain species that, well, all bacteria, opportunistic, but especially pathogenic organisms are opportunistic. So, whenever the body needs them to essentially overgrow or start to take up more space because something's happening in the body, they will. So, there's a ton of research, and I would, again, recommend

people to look into this for themselves, that, for example, mold can bioremediate certain metals or toxins, same thing with Candida. So, how this shows up in the human body is, if we have an excess amount of toxins, if we have a very low oxygen environment, whether it's because, you know, we have, like, dysfunctional breathing patterns, we have, again, nervous system issues, like, our bodies can't actually uptake and transport oxygen efficiently. Like, whatever the reasons are,

if we have a low oxygen environment, an environment where there's a lot of excess waste because the digestive system is in functioning optimally, there are going to need to be a certain organisms that actually help offset that toxicity, right? Like, they have to kind of digest

“what our bodies can digest for us. And so, that's how I look at parasites. They actually serve”

a purpose in our bodies by consuming a lot of the excess waste and heavy metals, the same way that you might see parasites on like a decaying animal or you might see molds on a fruit that's decaying, right? It's actually just helping down and breaking down essentially dead and toxic tissue or dead and toxic cells and, and waste. And so, when we start to attack parasites directly, we're actually not dealing with the reason why they're there. And this is so often why you see,

you know, a lot of these people on Instagram promoting, "Oh, do this parasite cleanse two or three times a year?" Because they're going to come back, right? Because you're not actually dealing with the reason why someone has parasites. And I would go as far as to say that like every single organism is on this planet, well, probably has a parasite. Like, if you're living and breathing and you're like walking around in nature, you're eating vegetables, like, you're 100% going to have parasites.

But our bodies actually naturally have defense mechanisms to make sure that these parasites

whatever, like bacteria or parasites we encounter, a parasite eggs, it will actually neutralize or kill

“them. However, if we are chronically stressed, if we're mineral depleted, if we have a congested”

liver, our stomach acid also goes down. And so now we don't have that first line of defense,

right? We don't have enough bile. Like, our microbiome is all out of whack. And so, when we have certain imbalances, these opportunistic organisms can overgrow, take a more space. And essentially, yes, start to release endotoxins because they also release toxins. So it's kind of this like vicious cycle because now they're releasing more toxins. We get even more depleted. We get even more disregulated. And of course, you know, they tend to end up overgrowing. So the way in my experience

in my opinion that we break that cycle and we actually naturally start releasing parasites is not by starting to fear them and starting to say, "Oh, we can't have pets." And we, you know, we can't drink water. We have to like, you know, wash our our vegetables and kill all the parasites with ozone. Like, great. If you can do that, awesome. But like, it's not going to happen all the time,

“right? You're going to be at a restaurant. You don't know what they're washing their vegetables with.”

And so the best first line of defense, again, is to regulate the nervous system to make sure

you're getting enough minerals to restore that natural function so that the immune system actually kicks into gear. And it can deal with the toxic overload. And so this is one of the reasons why, you know, I have clients sometimes do emotional release practices, which is a whole other topic. But like, essentially them releasing stored emotions from the body or they're starting to work on learning to set boundaries. And they will start releasing parasites in the process of that.

Because, you know, the stored emotion or the lack of boundaries and the people pleasing was a thing that actually like kept their nervous system in a chronic state of fight or flight. So when they start to release that and work through that, right? The body has more vital energy to start to deal with some of these parasitic infections than whatnot. So yeah, it's quite a fascinating topic.

“Yes, it is. I want to put a pin in mental versus physical for a second because the last kind of”

we'll say 30,000 foot topic that I want to discuss before we start to work our way down is like, what are the symptoms? If someone's listening to this, is it facial bloating, red face? Is it constipation? Is it brain fog? Is it all of these things? Like, if I'm sitting here and I just feel

off, maybe I just, this is the first time I've ever really listened at any extended amount about,

yeah, even the concept of detoxing, which I wouldn't put past people. And that's not a knock on anyone listening. This, you know, I just get that everyone can't research everything all the time. So if they're sitting there and they feel off, they know they're not right, but they don't really know when they haven't looked. What are some of those symptoms that if someone came to you, you'd say, hey, you may have an issue here with toxins. This may be some, you know, you're overloaded

in one way or the other. What does that look like for people? So believe it or not, it's like every single symptom you can imagine has some sort of connection to this. And the reason is that when one thing is off, the system, these higher system is off, right? So if you look at blood markers, for example, the body likes to keep blood markers extremely tight. So by the time that you go to your doctor or, you know, wherever you get your labs on function health or whatever,

and some markers are off, it's not just because like, oh, I have low iron, I need to take an iron supplement, right? Like, if we look at things like a hundred years ago, do you think our ancestors were taking like a bunch of supplements and pills? Like, no, there's actually something that's up in the entire iron transport or regulation system because other things are off. And so everything that we're talking about, like, and I'm sure there's like one or two things that I'm not thinking

of that might not be connected to this, you know, but typically, if one thing's off in the blood or in the body or you're noticing brain fog fatigue, whatever the thing is, like, something in the system is off that we can start to work on when we're looking at this like root cause way of healing. And so I don't even really love the term detoxification because it's so overused, you know, people think that like if we're starting a program together, they're going to be on

some sort of cleanse. Well, for me, it's actually the opposite. Like, I actually get people off of those cleanses and into actual systems that kind of optimize the body, which for some people might just be like, you know, regulating their nervous system and like eating more good food. Like that in turn can literally change someone's entire path. So, yeah, if someone's listening and like, I'll just kind of run through some, like, really common symptoms that we get because I was just

doing a master class and we had like a sheet with some of the symptoms people come to us with and I like to say we don't discriminate. You know, we have people in our, like, actually a lot of people in our programs with tons of different autoimmune conditions, like, even to like, certain cancer diagnoses, which I personally believe cancer is 100%, you know, connected to the

same thing with autoimmune conditions. I don't believe that the body will try to

“kill itself. You know, again, like, there's a lot of like mineral balances, toxicity involved in these”

conditions typically. But yeah, like, I would say, like, from anything from like, bloating digestive issues, constipation, Crohn's disease, deeper teacolitis, like anything got related, you know, high cholesterol typically I see is really connected to liver congestion and excess amount of toxicity as well. So, we start to clear that up, cholesterol goes down. However, in, in general, cholesterol is a whole conversation in and of itself because we are 100% lied to when it comes to

what good cholesterol, actually, I wanted to back to that topic, I definitely wanted to back to that for sure. Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of these types of things that like, we go to our

doctors or whatever and we get like one or two markers that are off, like I mentioned, right? Like

low iron, low ferritin, like I used to have chronically low ferritin. It was like, like, three, six, nine for like six year straight, I would do everything, right? Like take iron supplements, eat more

“rep meat, cook out of cast iron pans. And until I started regulating my minerals, I sort of”

detoxing aluminum and actually optimize my copper because I had a lot of like dysfunction, like copper dysfunction, like I had a copper id, I had hormonal birth control for many years. I had copper toxicity and simultaneously copper deficiency at the same time, quite interesting. And so, because of that, I had very low seruloplacement, which is a really big part of like iron transporting utilization. And so, my ferritin was actually chronically low and it started to raise when I just worked on

optimizing my entire mineral system, not taking an iron supplement. So, you know, we get those people, we get people with like all sorts of like anxiety, like mental things, like muscle activation syndrome, has to mean issues. So, essentially like the system being extremely sensitive and kind of on high alert all the time. We see that a lot in our clients, sometimes it's like very emotional, like emotional volatility or, you know, things that we think are not related to our physical body,

but they actually are. And then, of course, anything, you know, that's related to like food sensitivities, like allergies, like that whole side of things and like skin issues. We get a lot, like psoriasis, exima acne. Yeah, we, like I said, we really don't discriminate. We see everything across the board and quite often if someone's like, "Hey, can you help me with this?" Like, you know, there's been a handful of situations that if someone has like a stage four cancer

diagnosis, I like to work alongside their oncologists because, you know, there's certain things that are above my pay grade, but it's still really good to understand, you know, when we work together and you go through these processes, you know, what's, what's possible. I had a client once who her husband unfortunately died, but he did, that was like a stage four cancer diagnosis. He had tumors all over the body and essentially what they did with him is go through this detoxification

clinic where they were doing, essentially everything that we do in our programs, you know, like regulating the nervous system, liver flushes, cleanses, like all these things. His tumors in within three months shrank like 95% of his tumors were gone within three months, right, of him detoxing his body. And he ended up making the decision to, for the last five percent, go into radiation therapy and that, you know, unfortunately died during that, but it shows, you know,

how efficient, like detoxification can be in the phase of these things. And I've had so many stories of people who ended up going through like detoxification. And like, like a one point I was working with a client who was doing everything together, tumor markers down and she just did, this really simple gut detox for like four or five days that we put her on and her tumor markers went down like so much that, you know, she ended up making a ton of content around that. So

I just really cool stories that we tend to see from these processes and I'm just very excited for it to just grow and for people to become more aware of it. Yeah, I, I firm we believe that you know, in some number of years from now, we will look back on chemotherapy and radiation as treatments for cancer and realize what we were actually doing to people. I mean, yeah,

“in many cases the best thing we have today and the people that that fight through and have”

beat it using those God bless you and it's amazing. And but when you think about what you're

actually, what those, what they're actually doing to your body is they're like trying it basically what chemo is like we're going to kill you and hope the cancer dies before you die. I mean, that's essentially the trade-offs that you're making and to think that you're just flooding your body with massive amounts of chemicals and and toxic chemicals and just hoping the race to death is the cancer dies first. It seems very brutal, you know, I'm hoping there will come a day and

now, it looks like there's a lot of potential fixes that aren't as highly toxic to the body,

“but man, that that the chemo stuff, the cancer stuff is crazy and I agree with you that I think a”

lot of it is it's your body's way of dealing with stuff that shouldn't be there. You know, obviously, I can't but words to it the way you can, but I just, that's the way it feels to me. So I want to come back to cholesterol for a second real quick because I'll set the stage and then I'll pass it back over to you. So I've had hereditary high cholesterol my entire life. Starting at eight years old, I get, I've gotten blood work every six months since I was eight

because my, my cholesterol level has always been high and about two and a half years ago,

probably. I went and see my doctor, my doctor I'd had forever retired, passed me off to a new doctor. doctor does blood work for the first time, sees the high cholesterol and is like, we got to put you on lipitore and it was probably 265 with a, you know, maybe slightly elevated LDL, I guess, so the stuff that's not as good. But you know, this was the part that concerns me and I have told the story in the past in the podcast, but her first instinct was just right to lipitore, right,

bam, go right to lipitore and I was like, I don't want that crap in my body. Like, I know that it can help people, but it also has major side effects. The time I'm only 43, I'm like, I don't want to be on this for the rest of my life. I'm not a big fan of pharmaceuticals to begin with and

“I said, well, hey, if I don't have any plaque in my body, then then I'm really, is it a concern?”

Like, is this number a concern if I don't have any plaque? So she agrees why she didn't recommend the plaque test to begin with is most likely because the commission wasn't high enough, but, you know, I go zero plaque, come back and I said, well, what are their options? Are there? She has no idea. So I ended up finding a hormone specialist because I also had an issue with testosterone for a little while that I fixed. And the hormone optimization specialist put me on

to his appetite, microdose of his appetite, and a microdose of Tessa Morlin. And then, and then

regularly, you know, work on the diet, you know, in frankly, I eat pretty healthy. It's just always been high.

And I watched my cholesterol job like, to 205 within three months. And I think about things like, like peptides and, and some of these other alternatives to taking a pill every day as a way to work on these things. So one, I would love for you to level set kind of some of the lies as you mentioned about cholesterol. I want to leave that to you. And then, what are you seeing outside of the statin

“or just, you know, maybe if you're eat, let's assume the person is eating a reasonable diet, right?”

This isn't because they're just wolfened down, you know, crappy processed, you know, McDonald's every day. Like, what is the lie about cholesterol and how should we kind of start to recalibrate our thinking around it? And then, what are some of the ways that you deal with cholesterol with your clients? And, you know, is this related to toxins and, and how do we do it without taking a lipotor?

Yeah, so such a good question, you know, so I think first and foremost, like, we have to understand that I think

I don't know which year it was, but the good levels of cholesterol actually were changed. So previously, I think it was like, the cut off was like 220 and then they lowered it to 200. So like, it's like, they don't even really know what good cholesterol is, right? So you're going to see some clients that have cholesterol, like, I don't, a little bit of the higher level, like 220, something like that, like, LDL a little bit elevated, but if their hormones are like fantastic, right?

This is a very important picture to understand because sometimes the body actually has higher cholesterol, because it's needed for that, like, good hormone production. And so with a lot of clients that have, you know, like these cholesterol levels that are flat, but like not extremely elevated, like, let's say 220, like I mentioned, I actually think that that's a great thing. Like, I actually think that low cholesterol's often an issue, and this is also why when we're just like only focused on lowering a number,

we don't really know the implications that that has on our body's long term, right? What happens to our hormones? What happens to like all these other processes in the body? And I also will say that like, I really see. So first of all, bile are, you know, liver suggestive fluid is primarily made up of cholesterol. And so quite often, people that have some sort of, like, bile insufficiency or stagnant bile, colostasis,

having higher levels of cholesterol in the blood as well. And so I end up seeing when we clear up

that liver congestion often times the cholesterol drops and liver congestion, you know, it's such like, and undiscus topic, but, you know, you mentioned that you had to set eight years old. It's like, you can be born with liver congestion if, you know, you're, again, get, if your parents at liver congestion, if potentially like they had higher levels of heavy metals or other toxins, sometimes also like, for example, things like estrogen also help create more liver

“congestion. And this is oftentimes why I think, you know, a lot of women end up having like more”

anxiety because they retain more copper, why they have more gut issues because they're all in birth control, which, like, massively influences our microbiome. So there's a massive connection with, like, the liver cholesterol, but then also all these other parts of the body, right? Another theory that I know a lot of people in my space talk about is how cholesterol and plaque in and of itself, what we think about the idea of that, right? Like, why would the body

build up plaque inside the artery? It's like, my idea there is, like, if we are highly toxic, the body will quite literally try to protect the arteries by creating a layer of cholesterol to not have the, whatever is going through the blood. Like, if the pH is off, if there's certain toxins in the blood that could actually damage this arterial wall to quite literally protect itself. And so, again, like, these hoxification, I would say is, like, one of the main things and tools here

that we use to essentially support people in that process. And then, of course, 100% there's mineral imbalances that make that have, like, a massive influence on this and, again, like, certain toxic cities. I will say that with peptides, because this is, I was talking about this on a podcast as well, I typically have a little bit of a different outtake on this than a lot of other people

“do, just because, again, like, I think there's certain peptides that are incredible, right?”

Like, I have some clients that are on peptides. I've used them in the past, didn't quite work for what I was dealing with at the time. And some of my mentors love them, some don't. The way that I kind of look at peptides is like, what are we using them for, especially with the GLP ones when it comes to, like, the functional medicine space, I know they're using, like, a low dose of them a lot for, you know, things like that, things like mass activation syndrome,

and stuff like that. I like to just always pose the contemplation of, like, okay, well, why was

the body expressing the thing that it was doing in the first place, whether it is, right? Like, mass activation syndrome, high inflammation levels, high cholesterol, and just because we are using the peptide to, kind of, suppress that symptom, and maybe change some other things in the body. Are we actually dealing with the reason why that was happening in the first place?

“And I think that both can be true, right? We can take these peptides to support the body.”

And if we look deeper at the reason why the body was expressing itself in that way, to make sure that we're not neglecting that, to cause further implications later in life. So, yeah, I always like to look at, you know, especially knowing how much these mineral balances and heavy metals play a role. It's like, if we're taking a peptide, for example, to lower inflammation, but the cause of the inflammation was actually a high toxic burden.

The peptide isn't going to release a toxic burden, so we still have to do that work alongside it. I do agree that, you know, certain peptides can basically lower the inflammation or support some process in the body so that the body has more energy to start to clear up some of these other things, right? I 100% agree with that, but I do think it's important to mention because I do think that the functional space right now, just with anything that's booming,

like, fasting was booming, you know, like, whenever we were talking about, like, late 20, for me, it was like 2015 to 2020. I was fasting all the time, right? And now we're kind of learning about, oh, it's actually not good for everyone or there is, there are certain implications. And so

I just tell my clients, always to be a little cautious when they're jumping on trends that are,

like, mass, you know, like, promoted by everyone in this space. So, I'll leave it for you. No, I think that's wonderful advice and I completely agree. I had a buddy who reached out to me because I mentioned on the show that I was taking the receptor, which is a GOP-1 for those that it's a second generation for those that aren't aware. Ozenvic would be the Gen 1 that most people have heard of. And so I mentioned that I was taking on the show and that I was really

enjoying the results. It wasn't about weight loss at all. It was three, three things, targeting this real fat, particularly. I wanted to remove the food noise in general and I had found I struggled with fairly severe ADHD diagnosed, not self-diagnosts. I'm not sure that should matter, but I feel

a little energy. And I know users across this is true. And I found that the receptor tied in a micro-dose

actually allowed me because I had played with like as I got older, I probably have always had it since

I was a kid looking back on my life. But when I needed to, when I was younger, I could like pull it back in whenever I wanted. So my brain would be like for shooting a million directions, but it was like I need to focus up on Eva right here. I need to be present for her. I need to have my brain on what she's saying, listening, and I could just write down and get rid of it. And as I got older, and I've gotten older, despite continuing to try to take care of myself very well,

I found I didn't have that ability. It's like if you ever seen the movie for love of the game, like towards the end of the game, you can't clear the mechanism anymore. And that's a deep baseball reference. But the, so I was searching for solutions. And I tried, you know, my doctor also wanted

to put me on, and I tried that. It's fucking amazing. Horrible for you, but it does all the things

it's just going to do. So not that I recommend you taking it, but having a little sample bottle

“for when you need to get some shit done isn't the worst thing in the world. Not medical advice.”

Remember, Ryan is not in the medical field, not medical advice. But I found that the GLP1, there was, there was research around, um, it's impact on focus, on, on, like, not that you can harness discipline, but on, on your task, like, being, like, getting more activation of your dopamine centers around tasks, which is essentially what Adderall does, right? Like, milk to your brain, your, your Adderall receptors. So you feel good about tasks. Okay. So here's, that was a very long

contextual dive drive to say at this point. I said it on the podcast. I had a buddy who was slightly

overweight, who was like, thought it was going to be this miracle. It goes out. He gets he gets

a prescription from his doctor, starts injecting himself. And, you know, two months later, he's like, it's not working. And I was like, well, okay. Why? Like, what are you, did you, are you working out? Well, no. Well, okay. Well, are, did you change your diet? Are you still, like, pound and beers and eat? She's burgers and shit all the time? Well, you know, maybe, maybe a little less. I'm like, well, it's like, if you don't, it's not, uh, it's not like injected in your body and your

body just sucks in and all sudden you have a six pack abs and you look like an adanas. That's, that's not even close. Like, it's, it is, uh, it is one other tool that if you utilize properly and

“conjunction with all this stuff you're talking about, right? And I think what I'm hearing from you”

and I, and I really like this about your philosophy is that there isn't like a thing. It's not like, if you do this one thing, everything changes. It's, we have to be, what I hear you saying is, we need to be cognizant of all these different mechanisms, which, which does take some work, but at the same time, like, you get one body. So if you're going to focus on anything and maybe spend a little extra time thinking about something, this is probably the right thing to think about.

And that's the part that I, I, I, I feel like, unfortunately, when you get these trends, doesn't get communicated, right? It's like, GLP ones and, you know, the, uh, testimonial in and some moral in and these, and these, these, these types of things, they're, you can waste them. They're one they're expensive. And two, if you're just injecting them and not changing your body, and not changing your lifestyle, and, and these other ways, they're going to do literally nothing

for you. It's like lighting money on fire. They're, they're additive mechanisms to a system that's functioning close to properly, not these like inject yourself in a stomach with this thing, and then all of a sudden, your life changes, and you have bulging muscles and six back abs,

“you know, if you're a dude, and that's what you're going for. Um, so how do you, like, when you're”

working with someone, how do you get them to this more holistic approach? Because I know you said most people are healthy, what most, they're, you tend to get more healthy people, but again, let's take that, we'll just say, right down the middle, average American, who is busy, maybe they have a couple of kids, and they're, they've let them sell, you know, they don't have as much time. You don't even go to gym once a week, and maybe they slip a couple of cheeseburgers in there, and cook

these a little too often, and not that they're like obese, but they're not the way, you know, maybe they got a few more toxins, a little extra weight, like, how does that person who struggles to keep up day-to-day? How do they start to develop this holistic approach to their health and the toxins in their body, and, like, just getting rid of just the simple things, like, the brain fog, and some of the chronic inflammation fatigue, which is unnatural, like, how do you start to

wrap your head around this? Because what I get from people is like, dude, I don't know how you do it. Like, how do you keep up with all this shit? And I'm like, I'm not even an expert. So, like, how do

they just try to live it, or think they live a healthy lifestyle, but they're oftentimes extremely sick, right? It's ironic, usually the people who have the healthy lifestyle that they're are most sick, because they're, like, you know, so obsessed with, like, trying to do it with perfect. That's a good point. Thank you. Yeah. So, I think, like, the first thing to understand is that, you know, when a client comes in, I'm not just looking at their physical habits, right? Like,

I'm not just looking at, like, okay, like, you know, this is what they're doing every single day,

“but it's also like their identity. It's what matters their priorities, right? Like, because if you are”

working with someone that exactly the case that you just described, right? Like, they're busy, they have couple kids, like their, you know, eating cheeseburgers, or like, going out to eat a lot. Like, the first thing that I ask my clients quite often is like, okay, like, what are your priorities? And what are your goals, right? Because if you prioritize, like, having fun on the weekend and, like, having a couple beers over your health, then it doesn't matter what we're going to do with your

physical body, because that's always going to be number one for you, right? So we have to look at, like,

your inner reality, essentially, of like, how you look at the world, how you look at your physical body, and that first needs to change, right? Because the, the willingness to change has to come from inside. It's not like, hey, my friend, this is literally why we don't take clients on with this perfect, particular profile who is, like, who are like, hey, well, my, so-and-so said that I need to do this. And so I'm here to do it, but I don't want to do it, right? Like, if you don't have

the willingness to do the thing, it's not going to stick, right? Like, it has to come from inside. And so, what we really help our clients with is just getting to that point of like, okay, like, what's, what's the thing inside of you that's holding you back right now? Like, what's that inner critic, the inner voice, or maybe even, like, in my case, I used to deal a lot with this when I was having, you know, eating disorder habits when, you know, there was a part of me that wanted to eat,

like, really healthy and just, like, not over eating. And then there was this part that was a rebellion against that and just, like, would eat cookies late at night and would, like, snack, like, in a admit night in a pantry, right? And so, what I needed to do is actually do something, what I call somatic work or emotional release work, where I essentially would talk to that part of

myself, which is quite always often a younger part of us, that feels like she needs to rebel against

authority, which is myself now, the authority that says I'm going to eat healthy. And so there's this inner conflict that ends up happening in our nervous system, in our, like, inner worlds, where there's a part of us that always feels like it needs to rebel against the part that wants to live healthy or have certain goals. And this is what I would say happens with, like, 90% of people with, you know, like, intentions at the start of the year, there's a new part of them that's,

like, I want to be this person that's living healthy, that has these habits. And then there's the younger part of them that says, well, I want to do things this way and I don't like discomfort, and I just want to choose the easy path, right? So there has to be some sort of dialogue that happens between those two parts for them to reach and ultimately them that actually says, hey, we both want the same thing, which is we want to feel hurt, seen loved, and we want to have a good

experience. And so within that, like, just shifting that inner awareness, sometimes can change

“people's habits. Like, I remember I had a client who is in his 50s, he, like, drove from, like,”

he lived somewhere in, like, middle America. Like, basically, where no one knows about healthy eating, you know,

like, he worked in construction. And he was not Catholic, and he ended up driving to my place. We did, like, a couple of these, like, emotional, really somatic sessions. And after one session, we essentially just extremely deeply went into the reason why he drinks, which ended up being some sort of, like, guilt and shame that he carried from, like, his dad's side generations down, and of, like, feeling like he wasn't a good man, and whatever, like, crazy story, he released

that trauma, and he didn't drink again, right? So it's like, sometimes it's not, like, we have this idea that it's really hard to set goals. And it's really hard to do these healthy things. But as soon as we make that decision internally, and we understand that it just clicks in, it's just, like, we get that momentum, right? We'll move forward. So we oftentimes try to get to our clients, like, why, like, why do you want this? And, like, how can we make that the number one priority

that's going to move you forward in this process? And then typically, like, just making it simple,

“right? Like, it's not about doing things perfect. That's what I always tell my clients. Like,”

just because I give you, like, hey, this is what you can do in the morning. This is how you can eat. Like, if you eat out twice a week, but you're doing the rest, like, you're doing better than you did before. So you're going to see improvements, right? Like, if you sometimes fall off or you, like, end up scrolling on your phone all day or watching movies and eating snacks at night, like, that's okay. Like, you're not going to mess up your progress. It's just, like, sure, it might slow

you down, like, 2%, but it's not going to set you back in any way. Like, I like to get away from that idea that we can have a set back in life. So when we reduce that pressure, and we give people the opportunity to be more flexible, and we just tell them, like, hey, just take these supplements, try to do this the best you can, try to eat in this way. Like, even if it's just eating some more vegetables, stuff like that, like, awesome. They're still going to see results. They're going to

the better the choices are that we make, right? It's like, yeah, so what I think is wild is that

“I think a vast majority of the population doesn't even know what it feels like to feel good anymore.”

I think they've masked with food or some sort of toxic behavior, not necessarily toxins, but toxic behavior, that I don't even know if they can wrap their head around or even, like, visualize or experience in their brain, what, like, remember what it felt like to just be, like, feel good, like, not wake up tired, not wake up with brain fog, not look down and see, you know, body in places that they don't necessarily want to see. But, you know, me, like, they don't,

they don't know what that feels like. So I sometimes, I think it's hard because it's been so

long since they felt good that they, they don't even know what the goal is. They, like,

wanna quote unquote feel better, but it's like, sometimes they can't even rationalize, like, what that is. And I feel like that's very sad. And a lot of it, I think, is Ben,

“you talked about the lies around a cholesterol, like, so many aspects of our physical health,”

disconnecting physical health from mental health, right? I love, I love this. And I really, you know, I want to finish on this idea of how these two things work in conjunction, because I love this about your work. And I agree in, like, it feels right to me, right? I absolutely don't know the designs behind it. That's your place. But like, it feels right to me. And the disconnection

of of mental and physical and acting is if there are two separate things. Like, you know,

you talked, you mentioned before, and this kind of like a high level of copper can make you more anxious, right? Like, I don't think people realize that, like, do, do women who have copper, IUDs realize that they have to be very careful. And you mentioned it, and I only know this, because, um, having dated women for as long as I have, um, that this, this can give them anxiety, and that that if they're not managing certain minerals in their body, that it's not their fault,

they're feeling anxiety, actually. Their, their body is producing anxiety as a reaction to what's going on inside. So now you might be going to the therapist thinking that you have something wrong with, you know, mentally with yourself. When really it's just, your body's not entaking or processing certain chemicals or certain minerals the right way. And there's so little talk about that, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, how many of you are? There's just not that many people

like you out there. I mean, maybe in your community, you could name a bunch, but I'll tell you to the broader world, there aren't that many people talking about this. It's one of the reasons I love doing this show is just helping spread these messages. But talk just, let's, let's finish on in our conversation here today around this idea of like, you know, and go wherever you want with this. But like this idea of interconnecting and, and your mental and your physical and, and starting to

think through how you can just feel better overall. Like, like, you know, that kind of keystone pitch on on this for people. Because I just, you know, not perfect, but I do work very hard at this.

“And I think for 45, I'm in pretty good shape. I'm pretty good health. Like, I wake up every day.”

I feel pretty good. All things considered like, you know, I've said anything could be better, but I think it's pretty good. I just have so many friends that they just simply don't understand. Like, they don't understand what it feels like to wake up in your mid 40s and pop out of bed at 5.30 a.m., like, feel good, ready to go. Like, go get a get after the gym. Like, they're struggling to get out of bed at 7.30 a.m., and get their kids on the bus. And I would love for those

who have the inclination as you describe the self motivation to get there. I would love for them to connect, go down the path with you and start to start to feel better. I just, I think our whole entire society would change if everyone just felt a little better every day. Yeah, this is such a and like you said, like, people don't discuss this topic enough, right? So I'll start at what you were mentioning earlier about like the ADHD type symptoms, right? So when we look at ADHD, and again,

like, for people that like to go into literature, like, definitely would recommend them looking into the work of Dr. Pollack and Dr. Wilson, where essentially we're talking about like, mineral balancing, right? So we're talking about like the mineral status and someone's body, certain metals, certain minerals, and these metals and minerals also have certain quality. So

more anxiety, essentially. And so we see also that copper is very feminine mineral. And so like,

“this is also typically why women are higher in copper and men are higher in iron, because iron is”

very masculine mineral, so or metal. And so essentially like, we start to see that these minerals essentially shape our personality. And this is where it gets really interesting, because things like autism, ADHD, like any sort of like what we call, you know, like mental disorders tend to have roots in these mineral imbalances and certain like biochemistry that the brain then produces. And so this is also why like mineral balancing, it's been studied so well for kids with ADHD and autism

with incredible results. Like literally like incredible, because a lot of these tend to be these

heavy metals that actually create these like, like you said, right? Like this brain that just like starts to have like chaos or like these chaotic impulses. And so rather than saying like, oh, there's something wrong with me. We can start to say, oh, there's something wrong with the biochemistry that's happening in my body. And what's underneath that is oftentimes the certain minerals and metals that have an influence on our brain. And so one thing that I started to observe in a lot of

clients is especially in relation to mercury. So people, you know, potentially like through vaccine injuries, like because there's mercury in vaccines, it could potentially be through eating a lot of fish, right? Like I have clients all the time who say, well, I only eat, you know,

wild fish like once or twice a week and their levels of mercury are through the roof, especially

tuna. I literally don't even touch tuna. Like, I don't think I'll ever do again because I know how toxic it is in mercury, mercury filling. So if you have those silver fillings in your mouth, or maybe your parents had those that was my case where my parents had those. So they were passed down in utero. So I had more toxic metals in my body as a kid. And so yeah, like as a kid, you know, I had learning disabilities. I had XMA. I had, like, all of these things that you would assume,

right? Like, how can a kid get such things? Well, it's because, right? We're, again, we're born into, like whatever toxicity or mineral pattern or our parents kind of inherit to us. And so, when we look at this and specifically in relation to mercury, I'll just kind of tell the story of this client who have mercury fillings. And I've seen this with multiple clients who have had mercury fillings. A oftentimes the parasite burden in these clients is a lot higher. In her case,

she also had a root canal, which root canal is a whole other topic we could go down to, but they say

that 100% of all root canal are infected. And they actually, like, almost always contribute to massive

inflammation and infection in the body. In her case, they found about 20 different parasites in her jaw, like all sorts of bacterial overgrowth because of this infected root canal. And she had all those mercury fillings. Now, she ended up full blown hallucinating. Like, she was seeing, like, dark forces show up in the flesh in her living room, thinking that people were haunting her. Like, some of my mentors have stories that when they were going through lead elimination. So,

again, a heavy metal elimination that they were quite literally convinced that the FBI was after them. They would start hiding in their rooms and I've experienced this myself when I was going through these copper dumps. Again, because I was on birth control and had a copper id. I was seeing things that weren't there. I would wake up in the middle of the night thinking someone was at my door. Like, literally, it can change our perception and the brain chemistry. And so, I would, you know,

“like, it's a bolt statement, but I think that almost all, if not all cases of people with mental”

illnesses, with, like, you know, like schizophrenia by polar disease. Like, there's probably a correlation if we had their mineral tests and we could see the heavy metals in their body. We would probably see a massive correlation there. And so, that's, of course, just one of the parts. But even if we think about the gut and the brain connection, right, there's an awesome book that I read like 10 years ago, I think it was, I think is literally called the gut brain connection. And it talks about

this relationship between our microbes. And, again, like, our brain, our serotonin, right? So about 90% of our serotonin is created in the gut. So if we have imbalances in our gut, if we have, like, what I said, right, liver congestion that leads to overgrowth of certain bacteria that has more of these pathogenic bacteria overgrow and not as many of the good bacteria that help create the serotonin, we might feel depression and anxiety. And what happens, right, is, like,

as a child, maybe we're put on antibiotics. It wipes out our good microbiome. Now we get anxiety in depression. There's a ton of information out there. Zach Bush does a lot of research on this

“as well. How I think it was, like, one course of antibiotics can, like, can increase our risk”

of major depression by, like, 40% of just one round, right? So it's, we start to just see, like, the relationship to what we think is us, right? Our brain, our mental state,

at that time? And the, the beautiful thing as well, and, you know, when we look at, like, meditation or, like, working with, like, our, our mind as a way to heal ourselves, it also goes both ways. Like, we can do things with our minds that actually end up signaling things to the body that it can heal. And this is why we see sometimes, you know, people in Joe dispense of retreats or these meditation retreats, they have these spontaneous remissions, or suddenly they can walk again after

not being able to walk because the mind and its in and of itself is also extremely powerful.

So it's, it's this bidirectional relationship that if we understand that, you know, we would optimize our bodies, I believe more, so that we can really alter our brain chemistry and the way that we see the world and look at the world, we can become more positive, and therefore, you know, do better in our job, do better with our finances and our relationships. And the other way around as well, like, we'd probably spent more time, like, really working on

improving our mental focus on meditation on all these things that we know, improve the

physical body and our energy as well. So it's 100% bidirectional relationship. And yeah, I mean,

we could say so much here, but I think that's, that's good. Eva, this has been a tremendous conversation. I could do another three hours with you. I find this

“topic fascinating, and I think it's so incredibly important because as I said, I just know too many”

people who live day-to-day with this acceptance of symptoms that I think with even a marginal amount of attention applied to things like mineral imbalances, the toxins we're taking in our body, exercise, meditation, you know, some of these things could, could remove those in era, you know, at least remove them in large part, and how much better is your life, you know, I mean, how much better is your life when you don't feel like you're looking through or thinking

through a fog every day or you don't look at your face and it feels bloated and puffy and you don't feel athletic or, you know, you don't have to be, I just don't believe that you have to fade off into the night as you get older. You know, I'm fighting, I'm going to fight at tooth and nail, and it's not going to be done through pharmaceuticals and chemicals as much as possible. I do personally put peptides in a slightly different category than pharmaceuticals,

“at least, at least some of them, you know, there's, I think you have to be very careful, guys.”

Obviously, I'm not a doctor, this is not medical advice, so anything that I say take is what I do, but not a recommendation, even, I know there are going to be a lot of people that want to get deeper into your world. How is the, what's the best way for them to do that, both your content and if they're interested in working with you? Yeah, so I share a lot on social media, so that's just

my first lame, dot my last name, so I'd even dot hoped. And yeah, there's links to free master

classes. I'm going to be putting up a lot more free content there. I also have a podcast myself. It's not fully active right now, but there's about 25 episodes or there's some 20 to 30. There for people that want to dive a bit deeper into that as well. And yeah, everything, you know, I'm very, very responsive on DM, so I try to answer every single DM that comes in, even though sometimes that means it's like, under today, but, you know, so if there's questions about the

work, you can ask me that either on email or through the M's and also the link in bio will get you to my website where all that information can be found. So, well, I appreciate you. I appreciate

“you out here sharing this message. I love it. I think it's important. And just thanks again for your time.”

Yeah, thank you as well.