Job Part 2 • Dr. Marcus Martins • August 10-16 • Come, Follow Me

I've noticed something brother Martins as I've read the book of Job.

“He seems very human to me and that he sometimes is really down,”

and then sometimes he's bearing his testimony, and then sometimes he's pretty down, right, he's cursing the day he was born. He says, "My soul is weary of my life." And then he comes around and says,

"Though he slay me, I will trust in him and then he questions. If a man die will he live again?" And then back to bearing his testimony. I know that my Redeemer lives. That seems very human.

I agree. That's for me, speaks to the legitimacy of the account. This is not a person who does not have question. Moments of introspective, almost doubt. That's really the case.

That's really it. But then I know that he lives. When you are in pain, in terrible pain, it's very hard to think straight. I wonder, there is Job.

I keep looking at sometimes that painting. Really a rapping from 1869. Really a rapping. I'm looking at it right now here. So there's Job.

I mean, you know, with his body covered with boils. Can I imagine how painful that might have been? And yet, it also consuming him. I have had a significant pain myself. I had back surgery over six months ago and nine months ago.

And I've never never prior to that.

And moments when the pain was extreme. The excruciating. It's hard for you to think straight in those moments and not say, "Oh, why was I born?" It's when the pain spikes.

And you have those moments of a very intense excruciating pain. And this physical discomfort. It's very hard in those moments. I'm okay. I don't know if you can find out.

Come on. Come on. Come on. Hit me again. No.

Oh, they may be people who can resign themselves and have that discipline. Not you murmur. So yeah, Job was not super human. It's okay for anybody listening who thinks I've had moments of doubt

and questioning and shaking my fist at heaven. And then I've had moments of testimony and belief.

“And surely, I think that's a very human thing to have happened.”

Hank, you talked about our friend, Meg Johnson. And this remarkable life of service she found. But it wasn't right away. And she'll tell you, this took me a long time. Chris Belcher, you've talked about, too.

People that go through horrific trials. I love that insight. Furthermore, teens that Job is trying within himself. But I know it wasn't instant. It's 42 chapters worth after the trials happened all in chapter one.

Our experiences. Our testimonies. Our trials of faith. Will be precious to those who come after us. Just like the story of Job was preserved.

Make your story. Be preserved as well. It'll be precious. My dad wrote a autobiography on a yellow pad. Hand wrote it.

Four of my children don't know their grandpa never even saw him at all.

But those things he wrote are precious. That's beautiful.

“I think, oh, well, who would want to read my story?”

No one will care about this. No, someone will. Someone will. And the Lord will make sure of it if he has something to work with. Let's keep going here.

Was I keep looking through this book and the ups and downs? I think I can take some comfort in that. That I have moments of weakness of where I'm tired and everything hurts. I think I don't want this anymore. And then moments of faith and testimony.

Job 19. He begins challenging his friends. Job 19 verse 2. How long will he vex my soul and break me pieces with words? These ten times have he repolved me.

Oh, my goodness. What kind of friends are you?

“Aren't you ashamed of yourself of saying something like that?”

Then he said, and be it indeed that I have heard.

Might never remain as much of myself.

It's none of your business. That's the English translation from me here. Then goes through this discussion and even talks about his relative verse 4. See, my kingsfolk have failed. And my familiar friends have forgotten me.

They that dwelling my house and my maids count me for a stranger. I'm an alien in their sight. I called my servant. He didn't even know an answer. I intruder him with my mouth.

My breath is strange to my wife. Doing treated for a bit, children's sake of my own body. Yeah, young children despised me. I arose and they spoke against me. Oh, my immortal friends aboard me.

“They whom I have loved have turned against me.”

He come then, verse 19. And as I look at here's where my hope is. I know that my Redeemer live with. And that she shall stand at the letter they upon the earth. And though, after my skin, warm as a striped as body,

yet in my flesh shall I see God. whom I shall see for myself. In my eyes shall behold and not another, though my reigns be consumed within me. He said, he goes through this whole account of his trials and tribulations.

And the shame that has been thipped on him, and the criticism. And when he bathed his testimony, because we pretend to read this, kind of a stained alone passage. I know my Redeemer live, but instead of that. But instead of looking, the world may fall apart around me.

But I'm holding on. I'm holding on to what my Redeemer. So the worms make the strongest body. But still in my flesh shall I see God. That reminds me a number of years ago,

we used to have visitors at BYU Hawaii, who'd come from Thailand and so on. But we also had some coming from the continental United States. We also have faculty and retirees from an a Calvinist college in Minnesota, if not mistaken.

They would want to know a little bit more about BYU Hawaii, and also Hawaiian culture. And also about the Church of Jesus Christ, a letter they sent. Since I was the dean of religion at the time. The people who are hosting this group,

would always invite me to come and make a presentation.

I had a little presentation going through the articles of faith. I would like to talk about our activities and programs with humanitarian work, and I would go straight to the articles of faith. So here's what we believe. These are our beliefs.

I always go that and then open for questions. So I would spend 10, 12 minutes in the articles of faith, and then open for questions. In one of those groups, I had an experience that I never had before.

I was literally gentleman. He was a one thing that I don't understand about you, hormones is why you should believe that God has a body. The body is nothing. The body is no good.

It's full of diseases and weaknesses. Why in the world would you want God to have a body?

Now I confess that I never heard anybody ask me that question before.

This must have been some 20, something years ago. But I still remember everything is being remodeled that B.O.E. Holi is going to be awesome when it is done. What is going to take a couple of years. But we were in the fire of the Dave Doma K building,

and there was this glass door where we could see the boulevard in front of the university going to the ocean. And when he asked that question, I remember looking towards the glass door and looking towards the ocean.

“And I think what kind of questions that why would God want you have?”

A body and immediately as I was looking outside, the thought came, why wouldn't he want you have a body? If it is a perfect incorruptible body, where you could enjoy the warmth of the sun,

and the softness of the wind, the embrace of a loved one forever. Why not have a body?

I remember that particular occasion,

“that though after my skin warms this drug this body,”

yet in my flesh, shall I see God? Why in my flesh? Because so many good things. So many good things can be enjoyed with a body of flesh and bones.

A moral body has its problems, but through the resurrection, the power of the Savior's resurrection. Oh my goodness, the bodies we're going to have then. We cannot even in our most sublime dreams,

imagine the beauty, the majesty, the perfection of those bodies. Only those who have seen resurrected beings, like Joseph Smith, Oliver Caldry, and others who saw John the Baptist,

and Peter and James, Moroni, or they can speak. And when they spoke, the language they used,

they could not find words to describe.

Joseph spoke about Moroni, he said, "Yeah, his countenance was like lightning." At the last day, we will have

the countenance of God restored to us, but I speculate that maybe in the resurrection, our bodies, our resurrected bodies, will have a combination of the facial and body features

of our earthly parents, enhanced by the facial and body features of our spirits, that were begotten in the pre-mortal, we may very well be undescribably beautiful, in my Jessica because of that.

And all we cannot see our spirits right now, when perfect matter is joined with any more of those spirits, it's gonna be really, and that's what comes to my mind when I read Job's testimony,

is it looking the best is yet to come. They get off this body, the best we can and hang on. Okay, now we can go through the whirlwind.

“That's why it's called the power of the resurrection in my case.”

It's gonna require some power too. (laughs) I'm sure both of you remember Elder Joseph B. Worthland. I'd love to talk to General Conference. Those who don't remember and won't remember this humor,

but we know it is worth the effort for the prize, which is eternal life, the greatest of all the gifts of God. And to qualify, we must take one step after another and keep going

to gain the spiritual heights we aspire to reach. He said there's eternal principle. It is not requisite that a man should run faster than he has strength. We don't have to be fast. This is Elder Worthland again.

We simply have to be steady and move in the right direction. One step after another. And then this little joke here. In my younger days I love to run, although it may be hard for you to believe it, I did.

I did win a few races. I'm not so fast anymore. In fact, I'm not sure how well I would do in a race if the only contestants were the members of the corps of the 12. (laughs)

That's awesome. My ability to run is not so swift now. While I'm looking forward to that future time, when with a resurrected body, I can once again sprint over a field

and feel the wind blowing through my hair. That's kind of funny because he didn't have any at the time. But I do not dwell on the fact that I cannot do it now. That would be unwise. Instead, I take the steps that I can't take,

even with the limitations of age. I can still take one step at a time. To do what I can is all my Heavenly Father now requires of me. And it is all he requires of you. Beautiful.

One day we'll sprint again. (laughs) Now, as I keep going through the book of Job, Job keeps calling on God and calling on God. And I don't know if he expected this.

(laughs) But the Lord decides, alright. I will visit. And that comes towards the end. Yeah, we start on Job, Chapter 38.

I have written in my margin, probably from when we did this four years ago, starting in Job 38.

I have this as the longest sustained first person discourse from God

in the Bible. Okay. He talks for a long time. (laughs) You want an answer?

Okay, I'll give you an answer. Okay, here it comes. And I observe how many questions, rhetorical questions, because he's not expecting Job to be able to answer them anyway.

(laughs)

“Who is this that darkened council by words without knowledge?”

Where was down when I laid the foundations of the earth?

Who has laid the measures they're off if thou knows? I find this pattern in heavenly ministrations. They ask questions. Here, the Lord asked us a series of questions when a messenger was sent an angel

was sent to Adam and Eve to teach them about the meaning of sacrifice. The angel didn't start to, hey, Adam and Eve, I can't explain to you that what you're doing is, no. Sir, why does thou offer sacrifice unto the Lord?

“When you go to Nephi and what desires thou need for him?”

And then when the angel begins to look, and I want to see what my father saw in his dream. Okay, look, what behold is thou? What do you see? Do you know the meaning of that?

Do you know the condensational God I find Nephi's answer? The perfect answer to any question in Sunday school? But I think I ask you a question in Sunday school and you don't know the answer. Give Nephi's answer.

I know he loves his children. You did not answer the question? And the teacher cannot say that you're wrong. There you go.

“Question, question, that's what the Lord is doing here.”

He's ministering to Job in a way that instead of a telling him things. He's making Job ponder about things that he perhaps had not considered some of these aspects before.

No, I never thought about what I was doing when God was laying the foundation.

No, I never thought about that. The morning stars were singing together. Where the morning stars are known. Never thought about that. The sons of God shouted for joy.

I don't remember that. And questioned. Question. He could have said, look, Job, you know, you don't understand anything. But he keeps saying these things in form of questions.

And that's a way of teaching that we find in several passages of the Savior during his ministry. What thinking? I mentioned something about the paper written by Elder John Welch. He and his wife, Gene, were missionaries at BYU Hawaii. And they taught in our religion faculty there.

They're both breeding great scholars, both of them.

“I remember he shared with me one of his articles of the book of Job being some kind of ascension.”

Ascension narrative, like we have in our temples. Where he began with pre-marked old status that you are awesome, great, and so on. Then there is a fall that horrible, terrible situation, dreary, sad situation. But then you come out of it.

And you are, in a final stage, much better than in your first stage, which in the case of Job, he has double everything that he possess before in terms of possessions.

He has another set of children again, including three daughters. I finally interesting that they chose to record the names of those daughters. But not the names of the sons of Job. There must have been some very important reason why they wanted the names of those three women to be preserved for posterity. That's essentially what the Lord is saying here to the Lord.

I created the world. He's taking Job through these steps of creation. Then on chapter 40, chapter 40 verse 6, then answered the Lord unto Job out of the world, when you then said, "Curred up the lines now, like a man, how do you mean the, and declare down unto me?" And then skip it to verse 10.

Back to yourself now with majesty and excellency, and I read to yourself with glory and beauty. Trust yourself, glow to yourself with majesty and excellency. And adorn yourself with glory and beauty. These are temple nuggets there. And they continue talking about beautiful poetic language here.

But then we get to finally chapter 42 when Job then addresses the Lord again.

Who is he that hideous counsel with open knowledge?

I want to read you this from the contemporary English version, a little bit of what you read to us. Brother Martins, it just makes me laugh. When the Lord shows up in the storm, it says, "The Lord said to Job, "Why do you talk so much when you know so little?" I thought he might ask me that, "Who is this that mark and counsel by words without knowledge?" And then he says, "Now, so face me, Job. Can you answer some questions that I ask?"

“How did I lay the foundation of the earth? Were you there?”

Doubtless you know who decided its length and width?

What supports the foundation? Who placed the cornerstone?

He goes on a little bit later and says in verse 12. Did you ever tell the sun to rise? Did it obey? Did it take hold of the earth and shake out of the wicked like a dust from a rug? Job. This is verse 16. Have you ever walked on the ocean floor? Have you seen the gate to the world of the dead?

How large is the earth? Tell me if you know. Have you been to places this is verse 22, where I keep the snow and hail?

“From where does the lightning lead pour the east wind blow? Who curves out a path for the thunderstorms?”

I really like this translation. I don't think it's perfect, but I do think it helps me get the idea. Then Job's response that you just read for us in chapter 42. Here's the English version. Job says, "No one can oppose you because you have the power to do what you want." You asked, "Why I talk so much when I snow so little?" I have talked about things that are far beyond my understanding.

You told me to listen and answer your questions. I heard about you from others. Now I've seen you with my own eyes. That is why I sit here in dust and ashes to show my sorrow. Job has been put in his place. You know what? I really like this response. I know it's not exactly perhaps as we might see him as this merciful being. Who knows? Because the Lord speaks and commands understanding.

We're reading something here that was translated into Middle Ages and they put it to this beautiful flowery language. Who knows? What exactly the Lord said? The Lord would speak to a child who he would not be using Shakespearean language.

“Especially when we're teaching children and youth, I think it is valuable to read the passage in the book.”

And also to give us some English translation. For example, Moses chapter one. Moses sees all those worlds. Each one was called the earth. And he said, "Why are these things so and by what power have we made them?" And the Lord answers, "Here's wisdom and where he made it with me." And I would tell people, "Yeah, it's the Lord saying, "Moses, this is none of your business."

I love that. I think it would be fun with some of the prayers I've said that maybe have been a little snarky.

And the Lord might say, "Can I talk to you for a second? Why do you talk so much for someone who knows?

I like the prose. I like the feeling it creates. The joke goes, "Oh wait, I'm sorry. I think I forgot my place. Go ahead and teach you right. I probably ought to stop talking so much and maybe listen a little bit more. I think it's a beautiful little back and forth." I love the idea of the sons of God shouting for joy in 38. Elder Nile Maxwell said, "Well, most of our suffering is self-inflicted.

Some is caused by or permitted by God. This sobering reality calls for deep submissiveness, especially when God does not remove the cup from us." In such circumstances, when reminded about the pre-moral shouting for joy as this life's plan was unfolded, we can perhaps be pardoned if in some moments we wonder what all the shouting was about. What was that we were excited for again?

Now that we're here, we're like, "What was all the shouting about?" That brings to mind this expression the Lord used in the darkening columns a few times when he calls us little children. He are little children and he have not as yet understood how great blessings the Father has in his own hands and prepared for you that section 78 of the darkening columns and section 50,

And I have overcome the world and you are of them that my Father has to even be.

In fact, immediately before he says, "Behold, you are little children and he cannot bear all things now.

“You must grow in grace and in the knowledge of the truth."”

Sometimes I wonder if in our prayers we're praying for things very earnestly and the Lord is looking at us and say, "Yeah, I love you, but you have no clue." I'm going to be merciful. And that's one of the things I love about section 50. I'm going to talk to you as a man talks with an order. I'm going to reason with you.

He understands. We are immortality.

We cannot see things the way he sees it.

He's impatient, he's merciful. And I said, "I wonder how many times the Lord is probably going to be hearing our prayers." And I don't really want this. You don't understand.

“I think this is a manifestation of his goodness towards us.”

That he does not reject us just because our prayers are in his view, childish. That's a soberly thought. Here we are, you know, with gray hairs and we're still childish. Remember, Elder Richard G. Scott, he said, "We are like infants in our understanding of eternal matters and their impact on us here in mortality." Yet at times we act as if we knew it all.

When you pass through trials for his purposes as you trust him, exercise faith in him, he will help you. That support will generally come, step by step, a portion at a time. What is that verse in the Book of Mormon that says we must consider ourselves fools before God?

“That's why it's always a good idea at the end of a prayer to say that it will be done, isn't it?”

Because you may be praying for the wrong thing at the moment. I notice that after the Lord puts Job in his place, he also puts his three friends in their place. Don't let those guys talk to me. You intercede for them, which it is essentially a beautiful way to explain the doctrine of forgiveness and intercession. The Lord is allowing Job to intercede for his friends, which is what Job used to do for his children. We were in Job 242 verse 8, and Lord says, "You are taken to yourself now seven bullocks and seven ram, which means these guys were wealthy.

They could afford seven bullocks and seven rams. And go to my seven job and offer up for yourselves a burned offering. And my servant job shall pray for you. For him, we'll accept." Last I deal with you after your folly, in that you have not spoken of me, the thing which is right, like my seven job. In a way, the Lord is putting Job in place of the Savior.

At this point, he is a symbol for the Messiah who makes intercession. He shall pray for you. He will accept. I find this really beautiful that I said, "Yeah, Job had to forgive his friends, so that his prayer would be not only honest, but with the pure on behalf of his friends." Because in order to pray with faith, he had to have a forgiving heart. That's one of the things that I like here in this particular point. The Lord said, "Yeah, I'm going to forgive them, but Job, you will ask me to forgive your friends."

I really like that you brought out Dr. Welch's work there. I hadn't noticed this before, but you just see a creation fall redemption pattern.

In this story that there's a creation period, look at Job, look how amazing it is, look at the fall, look how awful and terrible it is, look at redemption, you're better than you were previous.

I think all of us have to go through that same process marriages, I think, go through the same creation fall redemption, testimonies are often created and fall and then are redeemed. I like the pattern. I think it's heavenly pattern. I love that you said that because I see that pattern in even the organization of the church, a falling away, a reorganization of the church. We see it a lot. What did somebody say once? It got to go through the wilderness to get to the promised land. Creation fall redemption. Even our own bodies, we've talked about. Creation fall redemption.

I know some of us pray for a long, long time for certain blessings, for deliverance, from some of our trials and tribulations.

“As a look, I've been praying for such a long time and years, decades. It hasn't happened yet.”

It's true. We don't know how long Job suffered. I can read the book of Job in an hour and two hours, but we know how long this really went on.

We are not given that kind of information, but it so happens that some of us will be praying for certain things.

That the Lord will choose not to bless us with, perhaps even in this life.

“That's why, about an hour ago, I read the steps, statement/test one of the Prophet Job of the Smith, all your losses will be made up to you in the resurrection, provided you continue faithful.”

By the vision of the Almighty, I have seen it. Even if our blessings are not, we still live in our prayers, and not answered you have, our faith will be rewarded. If I take the statement here, twice as much, if it is something quantifiable, twice as much. I notice just on a side note that he doubles all of the animals, but not the children. He comes back and he has ten children. Almost as if, and this is probably me putting a little later, they seem doctrine on there. But almost as if he still has those other ten.

Yeah, eternally, they are still his. So yes, I have doubled your children, but your first ten are still yours, and they will be yours, and eternity.

Let's not forget verse 11, Job chapter 42 verse 11, "Then came there unto him, all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they had been his, of his acquaintance before, and did it bread with him and his house, and they'd be moored him, and clover to the him, over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him. Every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an e-ring of gold. Then the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than he's beginning, but it's interesting that the people to point comes when the family and the close acquaintances,

come visit him and administer through him of their substance. Job certainly was self-reliant, but there is a point in which some of us may need assistance, and we have to have the humility to accept assistance. As you imagine, Job now playing the man, "No, no, I don't need any help. No, I'm going to be fine. Take care of it. I'll be fine." And I'll be waiting. The Lord will help me. Sometimes we run into the mistake and notion that I don't need anybody. It's the proverbial story of the guy who is on a flood that comes a bolt and comes a helicopter and then he drowns. When he goes there before the Lord, I said, "Well, why did I drown?" I said, "I sent you a bolt, I sent you a bolt, I sent you a bolt, I sent you a helicopter and he refused all the help. We'd have to have the humility."

“I remember one time I had to learn this lesson, also 30-something years ago, and I said, "Look, sometimes we have to be humble enough."”

Especially men, men, generally, I'll take care of it. I remember one occasion which I accepted help, I learned a lesson, and the person who told me, "Well, I hope you don't mind, I hope you're not offended." I told the person, "Look, I'll be honest with you. If you had called me seven years ago, I might have been offended. But now, I have learned certain lessons. And I see the hand of the Lord in what you're doing to me and my family. We accept the assistance. Because that's one of the ways why we to the Lord is going to help us through others.

Then, those of us will have the means to assist. We need to remember that we are stewards, the language of the Lord uses incompetent covenant section 114. We are stewards over earthly blessings.

And if you have your abundance, it's not that large, but off the little that we have, we do a little bit of a part in placing somebody else.

“I really think that's beautiful, that he prays for his friends, and the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before, and it came through all of these friends and family that returned to him. It's a beautiful ending.”

I'm just noticing something here on verse 15, Job chapter 42 verse 15. So we know their names after the text says all in all the land that there were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job.

And their father gave them inheritance among their brethren. Now, I'm not a Bible scholar, but how common was this? Their daughters would receive inheritance among their brothers.

Seems unusual.

“That's beautiful. I think John on my headstone. We put that question. Why do you talk so much when you know so little?”

This has been fantastic. For the Martins, you've been a church leader countless times twice as Bishop, you've been a religion professor, you're a father and a grandfather, someone's listening and they're hurting. How do you counsel someone in that type of situation? They read this book of Job, they follow along with us, and I think, okay, this is part of life, this is part of being in the fall. Do you have any words for them? I know you, you seem like someone who could just hug someone and cry with them.

“Often tell people, go to the book of Mormon, use the book of Mormon. In situations like this, particularly the testimony of Alma in Alma chapter 7, because our hope has to be in the Savior, I'm not a motivational speaker.”

I'm just an educator, and I teach the gospel of Jesus Christ. It has to be in the Savior. That's where salvation comes. Look to the symbol of the Messiah, which is Alma chapter 7, the beginning of verse 11, that the Savior shall go forth suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind. And this, that the word might be fulfilled, which says, he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people, the Savior knows what we're feeling. This is where that part of the incomprehensible part of the attending sacrifice comes into the picture. He took upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people, pains, afflictions and temptations of every kind.

Alma continues saying, he will take upon him death. He may lose the bends of death, which bind his people. And he will take upon him the inferences that his bowels may be filled with mercy. There he may know according to the flesh, how to suck or his people according to their inferences. Now, the spirit knows all things. Nevertheless, the Son of God suffered according to the flesh, that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blow out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance.

behold, this is the testimony which is in me, the Savior knows, when we go to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, we know that we have the best attorney in the universe, the best lawyer in the universe.

A lawyer would never lost a case, never loses a faithful client who comes to him in humility. Faithful client should come to this advocate before the Father will never, ever be in prison forever.

Our pains, our inferences, he knows them. We can go to him. He understands. Now, our brothers and sisters around us may not understand. I avoid when I talk to people, I know how you're feeling. No, I don't. I know I see. Even if I, oh, but, oh, you lost your Father. I lost my Father too. I know what you must be feeling. No, I don't know what you must be feeling because you're not me. Your experience is different.

Look, if nobody ever told you this, I'm telling you, this expression is an invocation of divine authority. Based on what I read in the Scriptures, I think the Savior would tell you this and this and this. And as a Lord promising, Dr. Ninkovina, 68, what you're going to say after that, it's going to be scripture, the mind of the Lord, the will of the Lord, and the word of the Lord, it's salvation. Beautiful. Yeah, the gospel is beautiful. And in words, remember the promise that President Russell and Nelson made, this is something that should not be better phrased.

“October of 2022, my dear brothers and sisters, so many wonderful things are ahead. In coming days, we will see the greatest manifestations of the Savior's power that the world has ever seen.”

Between now and the time he returns with power and great glory, he will be stole countless privileges, blessings and miracles upon the faithful.

He was not talking about the millennium, he was talking about between now and the second chromium of the Savior. The greatest manifestations of the Savior's power, the world has ever seen. Oh, we look at these things in the Scriptures, it's peanuts in comparison with what was coming ahead of us. Countless blessings, privileges, and miracles upon the faithful. Smoking like a true friend of Job, a true companion of Job.

“Thank you so very much for this opportunity, what a honor it is for me to address your audience and thank you very much, proud to see you, God lives, Jesus Christ lives. Remember Jesus Christ is the master healer.”

There is a place for all, all who desire to come into him. No matter how bad things may have been for you, no matter how terrible your sins may have been, come to him.

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