Giggling about intuition, drag queens, and getting fired

- Such kids lose? - Very fixed to Wi-Fi. - None of the such kids. We can't be managed. (laughing)

“- I mean, the day just got away from me.”

- My... (laughing) My, my, my, my, yeah. (laughing) Yeah.

No, and that's actually exactly what I was thinking.

You took the word to guide out of my mouth. - Because we have nothing to do with it. - I have nothing. - This is also when you make us record, no one's made us record actually.

(laughing) We made ourselves record. - No. You made us record this morning. I, okay.

It's just... - You got it. - You got it. - You got it. - I'm gonna start crying.

It's just like, no, not like seriously. - You got it. - You got it. - I got it.

“- Wait, I am gonna get my period in about four days.”

- If any giga-goers are on the same cycle, let me know anyway.

- That's funny, because I just ended mine.

I have a lot to say. Can anyone compose? - Can I just say something? - Sure. (laughing)

Did you wear a butt pad? (laughing) - The academy needs to know. - No, this is why you need your girlfriends because I'm not kidding, like,

the hours leading up to recording this pod, and I'm talking about like last night and this morning, there were so many things that I could have burnt down the entire city for. I'm not telling you. (laughing)

Oh, I actually just need to talk to my best friend. Like, oh my god. - Well, okay, this is what's fucked up. - You guys, 'cause we care about the pod too much, we haven't had a full talk about what went down this weekend.

Like, we've been texting a lot of stuff, but like, I didn't want to spill anything.

“- I'm gonna cry because I haven't been able to vent.”

But I don't need that. You're so pro-pring now. - I'm so pro-pring now. - I'm so pro-pring, and it's like, I've talked to my mom. I've talked to a man in my life.

Like, no, what I really needed was I needed to talk to my best friend, 'cause she's actually the only one that gets me. - I apologize to you, because of course, I shot my special on Saturday, and then page was running up for like some Sunday.

So we're both, you know, on edge. - You know, when I get in those moods where I'm like, I'm obsessed with myself, I love myself. I'm in one of those moods where I'm like, so annoyed by myself.

I'm like enough with you because you've been doing so much. - I'm just like enough with your nonsense to my own self. - Here's a funny story, though. So Saturday night, Hannah records her special, and so like a text her earlier,

we're on two different time zones. So a text her earlier in that day, like, you're gonna crush it, like your outfits so good. So it's like half the battle, like, you're fine. Now, I leave, I go, I get a massage.

(laughing) - Awesome, I'm not thinking about anything except me and my fucking massage girl, okay? She got in there, Sunday morning, I wake up, I'm like getting ready, I'm doing my thing,

I get a text from Hannah, you're gonna crush it tonight, you're out, it's so good, like don't worry about it, like you're good. I get out of doing the red carpet, I have a text from Hannah saying,

I could only watch the beginning of it because I had to go get a massage, and I felt so bad that I'm getting a massage while you're, like, probably wanting to kill yourself. I text Hannah back and I go, that's so funny

because I got it, when you were doing your thing where you probably wanted to kill yourself and I thought nothing of it. And I was like, it's so, I literally was nervous to tell you that I wasn't able to watch the majority of it

'cause I was getting a massage, which is so fucking selfish of me, and you literally go, what do you think I was doing while you were working, babe? (laughing)

- But this is my reference. I was, I had to perform, and you'd be really proud of me. My stylist was like, gave me these shoes that are like five inch heels. And she's like, these are gorgeous.

So I put 'em on, and I'm a diva in the opposite way

where I'm always like, this isn't gonna be comfortable.

Like, I have to, I have moves where I'm grinding, I'm jumping, I'm doing something like this. - So I went with six and a half inch platforms. And we have sixers, I feel like you're the exact opposite. So can we go higher, our favorite photographer, Lucho,

came, oh my god, we tortured this man. - No, we tortured, no, I feel so bad for Lucho. So Lucho was loving his life in Milan. This is so fancy of Lucho. In Milan, having pasta, whatever people do in Milan,

gets a call from Paige's team, can you fly to LA, which is like 72 hours. I'm not a math magician, but it's long. - Shoot you, next day, flies the Toronto, shoots my special. - Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Oh yeah, you're telling it, right? (laughing) - You go, and another thing, never mind.

- And you know what?

“- Yes, flies LA, flies LA, shoots me for L, yeah.”

- So, yeah, then flies to me, and then you look to me.

- And I go, we were like so in it, and then I look at him and I go, are you doing? - Sack, I mean, I started after words, and he was like, yeah, and I'm like, oh my God, and he's like, I can't, I just, I have to get on red.

So anyway, we're flying this Italian boy back and forth, back and forth, at the end of my special, he just starts laughing, and I'm like, what are you laughing about besides, I mean, this isn't the comedy part, why are you laughing?

(laughing) And he's like, you and Paige are so different. He's like, do you realize I had to corner you and beg you to take photos of you? You hired me to take photos of you.

You're running away from me, I can't get you down. We take one photo, you get distracted, you're talking to someone. We're Paige, I'll be like, hey Paige, we took 700 photos, and you're like,

what's on it, I'm like, (laughing) they're like, Paige, you have a gig to do, and she's like, but did we get it? And he's like, we got it 400 times, and she's like, I don't think so.

- My new thing is, set up a photo shoot for me. You bring me a screen around, I'm free. (laughing) - You go now, we're embarrassed, now we're in Tokyo. (laughing)

- Every day I was posting all those Instagrams, but she made it look like she was at the beach. That's me in the show. I'm like, I'm like, let's envision. This is a Tiffany campaign, what do we do it?

Like, we get into what I tell you. - Lucho is like, can we shoot now? And I'm like, no, I'm getting ready. And then we're like, I'm about to go out and I'm like, I have to go out.

And then I'm like, okay, I have to rest for my next show. Like, I was like, Lucho, I don't have time, and he's like, you hired me! - No, the morning of actor awards, I, my assistant had to get like this,

get a literal trapeze. I don't even know she had to get like all these things for him to set up his photo shoot thing, because he was on a flight from Canada. - I'm obsessed, but yes, so you're, anyway.

- So I put on the five and sheels, and I told myself, I cannot perform my whole special on these, like, I'm gonna look awkward. I have to feel like myself, yeah. - But you're gonna, I have so much to say.

And you've so much to say, anyway, just, they'll say it. So we get there and we're putting on the outfit, and I'm like, you know what? I had like your voice in my head,

“and I was like, where are the fucking high heels, Hannah?”

It looks so much better, just do it. - But wearing five and sheels for three shows, like your lower back gives out. So I was flying back on Sunday, and I found this guy who would come to my apartment.

It was like, sketchy, like, through like-- - We did, did you wear them? - Yeah, maybe I wore them. - Oh, I've been a cry. - I've been a cry.

- No, I know. And she brought, she just brought them like just in case, and I was like, the comedy guys were so proud of you. - Thank you. - I was gonna make all the depth.

- No, it will, like, and I would have never done it,

if it wasn't for you. So I think, and my Nana, so thank you to you, and my Nana. But the guy was like, great, I'm free tonight, 'cause I'm like, I'm actually like having a spasm.

I've been flying too much, and he was like, great, 7pm, I said perfect. Go on through my day, and then I turn on Netflix, and it says 7pm start. And I'm like, okay, pageal start at six,

I'm like, nope, pageal start at seven. I'm like, she's gonna kill me! - What if she's gonna kill me? - Why the hell would I care? - Well, but then I'm also getting my size thinking,

my poor baby is trying to remember facts. - She's trying to-- - Oh, I'm trying to pretend she wants to listen. She's having a stand in her little dress with her butt pad, and I just felt, we're normally do stuff together,

so it just felt uneven. But knowing that doesn't even, and also even with my co-host, I didn't realize that I wasn't standing with him, like I was standing on my own.

First, I just want to report,

I didn't wear the butt pad, I put it on. - I didn't. - I didn't even put it on with my dress, because when I put it on, I actually think you would look phenomenal in it

because you already have a good butt. It was almost like, it almost made my hips look, it didn't look good, it's what I was saying. Like, it didn't look good. - If I did it, I feel like I would look really camp,

like I would look Kim Kay, like-- - Yeah, you would be like giving like Julia Fox, like--

“- You should have worn it and just not set anything.”

- It looked insane, I didn't even try it out with my dress, because it looked so nuts. - Yeah, yeah. - It's when you wait, I forget everything I was gonna say.

- We have nothing to say. - We had really intense weekends, I just wanna say, I was nervous, but I wasn't as nervous as I thought.

I obviously took a beta blocker, but in my head, I was like, oh my gonna have to take another one, because yes, I'm live for an hour, but I was standing there for two hours prior. Like, because the red carpet is so many hours long,

- Yeah. - It would be impossible to go live for three hours, because it's there's such a low. Like you don't know when typebook are showing up. - Yeah, and you also don't wanna OD on beta blockers.

- Right, I don't wanna like pass out, but I wasn't none of my typical anxiety things that happened to me happened. So I'm like, so I was so proud of myself for that. I was like, wow, it took me a full fucking year

to reset my nervous system from just like absolute bullshit over the past few years. So I was very happy with that. I would like, at that point, I was like, I don't even care how I do, because just the fact

that I'm not getting nervous and feeling like I'm going to faint is a win in itself. - Yeah, yeah, it's huge. - So much was just like happening. Also, Daphne launched today,

like our spring collection launched today, and it is so, it's just so hard to run a business. (laughing) - You have so much going on, no. - No, and I think people, I don't have,

I never talk about the running of Daphne on Giggly Squad,

because it truly is like running a business. Did you see that article that Gen Z is getting fired on an alarming rate? - No, I didn't see that. - Some article came out, so then obviously,

like everyone in their mom is doing a video on TikTok that Gen Z is getting fired at like, in insane rate. Like, they just can't hold, they can't hold a job, because people are just firing them left right in center. Someone who's always down on Gen Z,

I'm actually gonna stick up for them for a second. I don't think it's necessarily Gen Z. I think it's being that age. Anyone that age, like in your early and mid 20s, like it's very easy to mess up at your first job, second job.

“- You're like, as someone who was fired in her early 20s?”

- Yes, okay, hold on, yeah. - But then I kept seeing comments, and it was millennials basically being like, Gen Z doesn't take any initiative. And the comments were Gen Z being like,

initiative, cost extra, like, you're not paying me? And I think that Gen Z might not understand the term initiative, and for me, it's common to do me. - I think that Gen Z just lacks certain social cues because of COVID and certain things.

And then I get TikToks of teachers that teach like 14 year olds, and they're like, hey guys, they don't know how to read. So we're asking them to do these things, and it's like, they can't do it because they can't read it.

Like I guess they're reading Comprehension is really bad. - Okay, I do have to say, I think Gen Z's also,

they are amazing with understanding their worth,

and like, in theory, setting boundaries. - Setting boundaries. - I think a good work-life balance. - Yes, which in theory is amazing. - Awesome.

“- But then you have to realize you will sometimes get fired”

when you have too many boundaries in the workplace. And that's okay, that job isn't for you. - And as someone who runs a business, and as someone who's been fired, as someone who's fired people before.

- Yeah. - I think- - Boyfriends. - What? - fired multiple. - Fired so, fired so many boys.

- Can we fire boyfriends like, we're breaking up, be like, you're on, you're fired. - No, fired. - You wanna work? - I've seen your work, it doesn't bring value.

- That is what it should be because it's like, hey, I gave you warning after warning. - Even on probation. - We did a full year review. I said, what you improved in,

and what you didn't, and now... - You're actually hurting the company. - Yeah, I also saw a thing that I was like, stay until you hate them

because you'll never go back.

And I'm like, wait, I like, I have unintentionally done that for 15. - Yeah, I don't agree with that,

“but if you have to do it that way, that's fine.”

- Anyway, what was I saying? Okay, one of the things that I run into as a business owner, and I'm like obviously a lot of the Googlers can relate to this.

And I don't think it's just Gen Z. I find myself, if you hire someone to do a job, I don't feel like I need to check in on you that you're doing that job because I hired you to do that job.

- Well, initiative is so important and it comes from caring. Now, this is the thing. I was definitely taking advantage of and abused

However, I knew what I signed up for, and this is my advice to people in their 20s. You're gonna change jobs every two years.

“That's how you actually get salary increases”

'cause if you stay at the same job, you're not gonna get a lot. - Oh, so if you're like so obsessed with a job. So when you're in it, think about the book you're gonna write. I love saying I was working, you know,

for $20 an hour and I was working weekends and I was learning so much and I was hanging out with, you know, this executive who was telling me all their strategies, it's the money? Yeah, it seems low, but you're learning stuff.

And yeah, we were part of that, like, a limited vacation day's time where they literally didn't give us days off and if we asked for it, they like judged us.

- I never asked her a day off.

- No, that was like illegal. And they were like, but we have a beer tap in the office and I'm like, that gives me diarrhea. But anyway, I do have to say too. Every single job I've been fired from,

and this is a flux. The founder of the person who fired me has since reached out and I have to say, I got an amazing text from someone who fired me early on in my career, I have to bring it up for you

that could make me cry. This, ooh, this could make me cry. I was in my very, very, very emotional. - We're so emotional, this is my very early 20s. I was working under someone, he was amazing entrepreneur.

And he kind of ended up just wanting me to do customer service, but I was trying so hard to like, do everything for him and pitch him stuff.

And he basically was like, stop.

And then when I asked for a raise, he was like, leave me alone. So I like left, I was like, I have to leave. So he texted me.

“I think back to those years and realized”

I had no clue at the time how to help you be you. Keep having fun. And it's this beautiful, like, it wasn't about, I was, I was bad worker or... - Is it raining where you are?

- No why? - Oh, it's raining. - We're both in New York. - And yeah, that's why I asked. Anyway, keep going.

- You go, sorry, there's a story. - It's raining, I'm touching my book. Continue. But anyway, if you are, if you are a Jensie getting fired right now, don't take it personally.

But I would get fired for doing too much. Like, they would be like, you're not CEO. Sit down and answer emails where I was like, we got to change the strategy. - Yeah, I don't think they're getting fired

because of that, I think they're getting fired for literally the exact opposite. But I would argue, Jensie's, yes, you're getting taken advantage of, but you kind of, in your first years, you want to learn as much as possible.

So that when eventually you do get the big jobs, you feel so qualified. - This one girl gave an example where she was like, taking initiative is more like, you're following up with someone rather than your boss

“asking you, hey, can you follow up with that person?”

- I also have like crippling anxiety and the idea of like, my boss tell me to do something and it doesn't get done, we'll keep me up for months. - So like, I've had people like I've asked like, okay, where do you see yourself in five years

and like, I've had employees be like, I don't think about it and I'm like, okay, make it totally fine. But if you're not thinking about it, then I'm certainly not thinking about it

because I'm thinking about it for myself. - Yeah, I also, there is an interesting perspective. I was meeting with this girl. And I don't think she knew that I was actually trying to see if she could be good like for our company.

- Yeah. - And I was just suddenly asking her questions like, what's your dream job, like, yeah. - And I literally look at her and I'm like, if you could get everything you wanted in a job.

- Yeah. - What would it be? - And she looked at me and she was like, to not work.

And at that moment I said, that's incredible

and I wish that I could be fulfilled outside of work and that's my own mental illness. - Okay, same. - So we're not talking down on that. - That sounds, and there are people who live to work

and work to live. - Yeah. - What did you say to me when you started Daphne and you said, I'm feeling really creatively fulfilled which I was missing in my life.

And that's where I felt my most happiness. Like, for example, even this special, I felt the same way this weekend too where I was like, last special, you had, I had, I felt the weight of the world.

Everyone was like, there were all these articles like Hannah left to reality V to be a shitty comic and like it was all repeating in my head.

And when you had your panic attack, yeah. Back in Denver and I had to bring it up again. I know it's tricking. I told you, I said, you better get on stage tomorrow

'cause if you don't, you'll never go on again.

And I've dealt with a lot of performance, because I'm proud of everything, performance anxiety in my past. So people were like, why would you become a stand-up comedian?

“But I realized the only way to conquer your fears”

is to do it. And then your brain learns, like, oh, this isn't something to be scared about. But the only way for your brain to know it is to do it. So what was crazy is this Hulu special,

I was like, oh no, like, three weeks beforehand, am I gonna start getting in my head again and, like, fighting all these demons? And it, like, never happened. And then I went on stage and I'm like, you're so fucking prepared.

You're having fun, you've done this before. And it just, like, we both have had so much growth over the last two years, it's fucking crazy. And for anyone who's scared of something right now, my homework for you, and this is so annoying,

and I hate to be so millennial about it, force yourself to do it. Like, even it's a little thing, like, you're scared of going on dates, set up a date right now, 'cause that's the only way to change your brain,

neuroplasticity. I lean, glue, talk to about it. - I lean, who? - I lean, goo, we talked about it last time. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, and neuroplasticity.

Sorry, the words slipped my mind. (laughing) We'd say, okay, is there any behind the scenes stuff from the actor wards you getting ready

“or like celebrity encounters that we should know about?”

- Let me just say, I will get into it, but let me just say one more thing

on why women are so incredible.

(laughing) I'm getting ready for the Netflix thing, and something happened, not even, like, nothing, but, like, it was nothing that happened. But I couldn't say in the moment, like,

I look at Taylor Fitzgerald, my makeup artist, I'm not kidding, Hannah. I shot my eye up for half a second. Half a second, we didn't even fully make eye contact, and I had a full conversation with her in the moment

to the point that after when it was over, we were texting each other, and I was like, hey, can we talk about something? She goes, I already know what you're gonna talk about, because I was during taping, no,

that was just like, right before I went out. Like, literally moments before I was starting, I was like, in the interview, you were like, no, I gave her a look, and it was like, and it's just like, the power of women,

and I know we get on the pot, and I know a lot of people like to be like, put us in a box, like, oh, they just like hate men. Like, that's their whole personality, they hate men. And not at all, we love men.

As someone who was the most boy, crazy person in high school in college, I fucking love men. I love dating men, I love having sex with them. Like, I have such great men in my fit.

I know amazing men, I put so many amazing men inside me.

No, Rachel Zoe actually just did a podcast, and she was talking about how, like, she loves great men, but she hates the shitty ones, and I'm like, that's exactly how I feel. Where was I going with?

You were saying, women were amazing. Women are amazing. So, like, our whole personality isn't just hating men, but the way that I connect with another woman is just on another level.

And it's not like, it's not that it's competing with how I connect with men, it's just different. Like, okay, and you guys should connect with each other also. Like, is that why your ex-boyfriends are girls in me? Probably.

I think that I trigger men, because they can tell when I don't respect them. Yeah, and I don't do it, like, I do it very subtly. I think it's more like, I might not laugh as loud as they want me to, or are they just so like,

that I'm taking up space in a room that they're used to taking up space in? No, men can meet for how dumb they are. They can clock when someone's clocking them. Like, I had a boyfriend meet my best friend

from high school for the first time, and we lived at that point. Me and my girlfriend had lived on different coasts. So it wasn't like we were seeing each other all the time, and we happened to both be in California.

And I just started dating this guy, and I was like,

“oh my god, you have to meet him, let's go out for drinks.”

She was with him, I'm not kidding. Less than 15 minutes, she squeezed my hand, and goes, what are you doing? And I had a moment where I was just like, oh my god, but he would not bring her up ever again.

or hang out with her, he wanted nothing to do with it. And not that she was ever rude to him,

like she would never do that.

Like he didn't know that she didn't like him. But men can clock when there's other women in the room that aren't falling for your bullshit. - Yes, also when I meet my friend's boyfriend or something, I'm not meeting him as another woman.

- No. - I'm genderless. I'm a soul. - Genderless. - I'm a soul in the room meeting another soul. And I'm not being girly, I'm just like,

because it's not like this is a potential employer a potential date. - I'm not flirting with you. - Yeah, I am not flirting with me. - Soul, meeting you as a soul.

- And seeing. Like that is how I come into this space. - Yeah. - And you're not gonna pull a fast one on me. And I'm not gonna be mean to you either.

I think maybe I scare them because they can tell that I'm observing and I rarely observe. - Yeah. - I'm not observant. I'm normally a chatty little Kathy.

- No, and that is why that is why men will immediately like their immediate defenses. Well, you listen to your friends or like you're acting like your friend. It's like, thank God, thank God.

Someone's looking out for me because you're certainly not. - But also if I love us being like, and this is how you stand up for your friend,

“what you should do when I meet you with a new man,”

I look at you first. - Yeah. - 'Cause I know who you are in your soul. And if you are putting on a different energy, it's not your fault, his fault. - Yeah. - So I go, what is he reflecting on to you?

That's making you feel like you have to overcompensate. You have to make yourself smaller, you can't laugh as loud. That's when I say, no, no, no. - All right, we're like, I would like hide. I begin my recluse.

(laughing) - You were wearing, you were wearing outfits I didn't recognize. Pastels, you were wearing florals. (laughing)

Someone had a check on you, you were in florals. We were all scared at home, we were all nervous. Oh, cool. - Wait, can I tell you some people an interview that I actually absolutely fucking love

and give you the T-shirt? - Yes, give me the T-shirt. - Number one, Allie Larder. - Oh my god, what an icon. - What an icon.

Do you wanna know something so fucking iconic? I see her walking down the carpet. She's stunning, she's radiant, she's gorgeous. She's so fucking nice, it would make you sick. She was so kind and warm.

I mean, there's like a second before we start

that we say hi to each other, she was so nice to me. Then I see her with a man, and in my head, I'm like, I actually have no idea if she's married or not, I don't even know who. But I see the guy, and I'm like, I kind of recognize him.

Like, I feel like maybe he has been in a couple movies, but it's not like he's like a name that you would like immediately think of. Good looking, very good looking, gorgeous couple. The way he watched her do the carpet,

literally I could have brought a tear to my eye. - 'Cause some of these men are performative when the cameras on, try to be supportive.

“- Or that's what it is, there's no camera on him.”

- I can't, when the camera's on being like, "What come with your lover?" - When they're rude on camera, I'm like, "Imagine how they act without the camera." - Imagine, and imagine how tired we are.

- So, that was one thing, I loved her. I loved Michelle Randolph, who's also from Landman. She was so sweet, so sweet, I felt so bad for her. 'Cause there was a moment where I had completely forgotten about the Colton of it all when I first saw her,

and when she was coming up to do an interview. Right before we started, she was like, "Hey, you're not gonna ask any personal questions, right?" I don't even know if that's exactly how she worded it. It was almost like, "Hey, you're not gonna ask any."

And I looked at her and I was like, "Hey, no, no, no, I would never."

And then, as I'm doing the interview, I'm like, "Oh my God, I bet she thought I was gonna say something about that disgusting loser who stalked the fuck out of her sister." - It made me, again, this top, 'cause I'm like, "Here is this a beautiful gorgeous young girl

who is here celebrating the phenomenal job she did as an actress in her show that's getting nominated." And she's thinking about your loser ass, and if some random questions gonna come up

“about your psychotic, did you see that whole vanity fair article?”

Vanity fair, miss me with that. Did you see Colton did a whole article with Vanity Fair? - I can't see it.

"Obviously, we have to ask about this.

“"What's going on with you in Michelle?" or, not what's going on,”

but like, - That's me? - No, the one that's on the show's name, Michelle, Michelle. Michelle, the one that he stalked his Cassie. - Yeah. - So the interviewer asks him, like,

and his answer is, "Oh, well, if they wanted to ask me "any questions, I'd be happy to answer them "and I would have had a Xanax addiction at the time." - Get this man off my internet. - They're really doing that.

- And why are you pushing this so much? - Also, another thing, since we're talking about traders and I didn't watch the season because I actually couldn't stomach it. - Oh yeah.

- But as someone who watched Rob's season on Love Island, I despised him on Love Island. I thought that he was so manipulative and everyone was falling for it. I kind of can't stomach the praise he's getting.

- Okay.

As someone who watched every second of the season.

- Love traders. - But not Love Island. - Not Love Island.

“I just watched traders this finale fast forward”

if you don't want to hear about it. Whole, I couldn't fall asleep that night. You would have actually broken a wall. You would have, all of a man-- - I saw some lips.

- So, more and more and more than Rob, they make it like their besties 'cause they're both on Love Island. We find out later, they met once before the show. When Tara and Johnny are legitimately best friends,

and I heard that-- - They said like, no Rob's a trader, no one would listen to them. - So, there was a moment. - If there's anyone I'm listening to, it's a girl and her gay bestie.

- You would, it's a research, you would have died. There's a moment, okay, there's a moment. Rob is a trader. Eric is a trader and Eric, by the way, sweetest man in the world,

worst trader ever, he's like pissing himself.

Every second he has to be a trader.

- I don't even know who that is, who is Eric.

“- He's a singer and Rob picked him, I think,”

'cause he's weak and like, if he fucks up, but doesn't affect Rob. So, and then there's Tara and Johnny. And Tara and Johnny are like, Eric and Rob are traders. So, then there's a fifth person who affects everything

that's more. - That's more. - That's cracking the case more than a girl and her gay. Like, I'm sorry! - And when I tell you, so Tara pulls more aside and it's like, "Mora, I trust you.

You trust me, I'm telling you. Rob and Eric are traders." And she's like, "I don't think, I don't think so. I don't think so." - And then the power of a attractive man

in the United States of America to get a way with hypothetical murder on the show. (laughing) - So, it's alarming, it's alarming. - There was a moment though.

We're more a looks at Tara and she goes, "I see it, you're right." So, then she goes back to Rob. And this is the thing, we've all seen this with our girlfriends before, where they know the guy sucks. They know he's probably cheating on them

or they know that he's not right for them. But they don't want to believe it 'cause then they'd have to admit that they've been dupped, dupped the entire time. So, that was like so human of Mora.

But you're watching it, and there was this moment where they're going around if Mora had voted for Eric or Rob, they could have had this like feminist moment of Tara and Mora being the winners of the traders and the girls winning

and Mora turns and votes Tara. And then this was the hardest part. So, Tara gets voted off after Tara's like, this man is the trader. As she's walking away, Rob goes,

and he didn't, this is what's the thing about Rob. He didn't mean it in a mean way, but if a man said this to me, I would have suck our punched him. He said, "Goodbye sweetheart." - Oh, I would have fucking killed him.

- "If you call me sweetheart, I would have fucking." - On a nice Tuesday, I would have been mad. But so, so then are you kidding? If I'm walking down the streets of New York City and someone says, "Hey sweetheart, I'm turning around

"and being like, "Hey, can you watch you?" I'm like, "You're a fucking bitch." I'm like, "Hey, you just respect me like that." - So, then this is the problem. Some Mora is convinced Eric's the trader.

She's like, so she half believed Tara. She's like, Eric's the trader, could not be Rob. Could not be Rob. So then when it's Rob and her look at each other and he's like, early on, he's like,

"We're gonna win this thing. "We're gonna win this thing." Now, I could see you being like, "Oh, me and my faithful friend are excited. "We're gonna win this thing."

He's too sure they're gonna win it. Like, that's trade or behavior to be like, "We're gonna get out this person, this person, "then we're gonna win it." And she's smiling and hugging their holding hands.

I'm just saying this allegedly, I think either they fucked

“or they just had this like really intense emotional thing going.”

- Look, if I had a nickel every time, like a good-looking man, like, truly deceived me, I wouldn't have to do this podcast anymore. - No, like, and there's moments we've all been there where we know he sucks.

But you're like, this attention feels really nice right now, even though it's like, it's, it's um, behavior, attention, it's sinister attention.

- There's always, here's the other thing for,

and I'm actually probably just speaking for myself because I'm fucking crazy. - We're women, so like- - Not crazy, thank you. - We're women, so like,

we have our shit together, we have our schedule, we know what we're doing, we know what our meals are, we know how we're gonna take care of our bodies, we know how we're gonna spend our Saturday afternoon. - We've got it through.

- We've thought it through, honey, we've got our ducks in a row. We've got our- - And manicured. - We've got our teas crossed, our eyes dotted,

we've double-checked things.

“So sometimes when you throw a wrench in there,”

you're like, hmm. It's my eyelashes out of place, let's fuck shit. You're like, this is interesting, this is life, like, the unexpected. Okay, so he's so crazy.

- So Morris said, if I was, she said, if I was dick, my ties, you would have known, and I'm like, you look exactly like me every time I'm talking to a tall man with a good jaw. - Yeah.

- And Rob is, he's also to win traders. People have to trust you, and you can't be too loud. I was thinking, like, I would get voted off immediately, because they hate a loud woman. They hate a loud woman, and we're not allowed by the way.

- We're the same as a man, but we consider a loud woman. - Yeah. - So anyway, she, it's not crazy that we're actually considered loud women. - I like people say loud women.

- People say confident women, I'm like, "Well, man, we act like a man." - When I rarely speak.

- You've never spoken before.

- I don't speak, you've never said a word in your life. - And people are like, she thinks too highly of herself. - She's disgusting. - I also think, 'cause I'm a little rough around the edges, people really hate when I dark.

(laughs) Like, at least you have like societal femininity where when I talk people like, - Right, and I have to. - Hannah, I have to.

- You, I have to. - It's more palatable when you say it. Like, I'm gonna be so honest. Me and you have said the same things on reality TV. - Yes.

- And mine get taken differently, because, no, because I know how to make myself smaller. Because I feel like at a young age, because I modeled at a young age, and I would never bring it up.

I, because I didn't want people to ever know because I would be scared that they would be mean to me about it. I learned really quickly how to make myself really small in a room.

So I can go back and forth. - And that is why you actually, did so well on the reality TV, and I didn't,

because I've always taken up too much space in a room

when I felt like I needed to be heard. - Yeah. - Where the men hated that. - And everyone was like, you know. - Nope, not you.

- How dare you? - Sit the fuck down, not you. Where you were better at subtle, cunning jobs. - I'm better at mental mind games. - And let me just say,

"Not a lie has ever been said by me." - Never, that one. - I've never lied, you have it. - I don't even know how. - Never, which is why I'd be a horrible trader.

But anyway, some morea gets out rob. I mean, sorry, gets out Eric, and Eric, and Rob gets out Eric. So it's just her and Rob, and you can see in her head,

she is, she's blushing. Like, she's like, we did it.

“And then you have to say if you're a trader or not,”

she goes so far as to joke with him and go, I have to tell you something, I'm a trader. - Just kidding, I'm a faithful, and Rob has to pretend like he's surprised, which I hope is setting.

And then he's basically like, I'm a trader. The light in her eyes die. - Yeah. - That was the most incredible scene. I've seen it a long time.

But I do have to say, it's a game, and Rob played it. - He didn't, your job is to deceive. - Yeah. - So I can't, I'm not mad at Rob,

and I'm not mad at Mora. I'm upset that this is the world we live in. - Yeah. - That white man. - Not that I don't know much.

- It's easily trusted. Why does every dragcreen vote it out first?

- The rate in which women will trust a man because he's slightly good looking and trust his word over tens of hundreds of like, it's kind of crazy. And I feel like you can see it very clearly on reality TV.

Like that is why sometimes reality TV really gets like studied in certain college classes. - Yeah. - Because watching how many people, you could have four women line up and be like,

"He did this, this and this to me." And the other women be like, yeah, and he also did this, this and this to me. And they'd be like, "But you provoked him." Like you were asking for it.

- The misogyny. - And it's like every reality TV, if you list all the horrible things that the men have done and hot take, the only reason Tom Sandevol got his ass handed to him

as hard as he did was because people wanted to hate on Rachel too. - Yeah. - If it was with a random girl,

he would have never gotten that kind of traction.

“- Could you imagine if a woman did what Tom Sandevol did?”

But like if the roles were reversed, it would be completely, it would be a completely different outcome. Like Tom Sandevol's on a show right now. He's on like House of Villains or something. If a woman did that, don't.

- If you're hating too much on women, you're actually hurting the movement. Stop for a second and be like, "Is this what I'm fighting for?" Or it's their bigger societal things than me tearing apart women.

- And not everything is all of our fault. Like I get hated, it's kind of funny because I can see both sides of where I get hate and it never makes any sense, but it is interesting to see because I'm like,

so this is, it's just automatically a woman's fault. Like I'll get hated for staying like someone for too long, but then I'll also get hated if I broke up with them. It's like, okay, well, I don't trust her because she dated him, but it's like, but I broke up with him.

It's like, well, I still don't trust you even though. It's like, okay, but, so I wouldn't have been able to win either. If I stayed with him, you would have been mad

“and now that I'm broken up with him, you're still mad.”

At the end of the day, it's always gonna be a woman's fault

because it's just easier to blame us. We could take it more. The men can't take it. - Do you know what's hard as every woman has seen what men are capable of?

But then like on reality, if you see a man do it to a girl, that's you projecting and you get mad at the girl. - Yeah. - Like it's her fault.

When it's like, we've all been in that position. Like that's why I'm not mad at Mora. I'm like, "I've been her." People've been Mora, why would I get mad at her? - Yeah.

- She's showing what happens in the world. - Because I don't go into a conversation or a friendship or a relationship. And my first thought is not, you're gonna lie to me. - Exactly.

- I have the opposite thought. I'm like, "Well, no, I'm dating you. You're my friend. Why would I think you're lying to me?" - But then I had to be in investigation

and be like, "Wait, you were lying?" - Looking back though, I do think it would have been iconic for her to be like, regardless, I don't wanna share this with this man. Even if I lose like fuck this man,

but she really loved him. Do you know Mora also, she went on the violin right after she got cheated. - Sure. - Her season was iconic.

- So she told me, she told me. - I watched a video for her. (laughing) - I'm so facto, she didn't tell me. - She told me through the phone that she went on pissed.

And, but she's so funny, naturally funny, that she was just like being crazy in the best way and passionate and having no nonsense for men. But what was so sad is she was like,

"I've been cheated on my whole life." And it was interesting to see like this pattern, like the world is almost like giving you the same result until you change and not that it's her fault, but you wonder why you keep finding yourself

with men that are capable of such deception? - Yeah. - Like, I go for a different type of a human. I've never been in the, unless if every man's cheated on me and I didn't know,

but I feel like I would know because I'm a woman. - Yeah. - Some people go for cheaters, some people go for narcissists, some people go for both. - I go for controlling narcissists.

- See, that doesn't, that they know that I'm

“- And I think it's because I like a challenge.”

- Yes, oh God, controlling narcissists. They love women who are strong. - Yeah.

- Powerful, 'cause they like to see your life.

- I think they come for me. - They come for me and they disguise in the beginning and then they trap me, and then I'm like, no, I have to cook up a plan. - I don't understand the sake of it,

I would love to be with a beautiful woman like Moora and then she'd on her for my ego. - Yeah.

“- And that's how you turn it and not play Moora.”

- Yeah. - So, her fault, she's so pretty. And her glam skills are so good. - It's not her fault that some good-looking man literally tricked her.

- I kind of love how mental healthy this episode is 'cause I have one more mental health moment to start the week off. - Fuck yeah, Hannah. - Thanks.

- So I actually would tell everyone like, okay, intuition versus anxiety, it's different, but like we don't really know how to tell, like we've all been lying. We're like, yeah, I could tell.

We can't tell until I learned anxiety comes in a question. So when you get a thought that's a question, that's not intuition. So if you get a thought like, is he cheating on me, that's anxiety.

If you get a thought, he's cheating on you. That's intuition. - When you, - Sorry, I have to go about my days differently now. - No, oh my God.

- I know. - And then if you have a past tense thought,

that's just depression, like you always do this.

You always do that, that's not intuition, that's depression or a story you tell of yourself, like this is so you, that's not intuition, that's depression. 'Cause we all can make up stories about who we are.

Any story is not intuition. - Sorry, you just like going through my whole life. - Intuition is a statement like, before we went on stage, before you went to perform,

you're not flicks, we both went, I'm ready for this. That's intuition. And that's why we weren't nervous. - Oh, girl.

- But we didn't episode, honestly, I didn't need the sound introduced anymore name. - You know, I know. We did not need this. - No, I needed to speak to you though, I needed to vent.

If you moral of this episode truly, sometimes you just need to talk to your friend. - Or listen to your glue squad. - Like, you just need to get, like, taken out of your brain cycle.

- And that's a different perspective. - And someone who sees you authentically and not like the stuff you've been making up,

“wait, can I call myself out for being a misogynistic monster?”

- Okay, so my mom flew to Toronto to literally manage me, like, came in my hotel room and made sure I had enough liquids, like, talk me off ledges, fold in my clothes,

like, literally every second, walked in,

like, put me in my body suit, like, took care of every second, took notes during my sets to know what edits are, like, she did everything. She has a notebook during my sets.

The other day, I made my mom get on the Zoom, 'cause my mom is an accountant, it's not like I'm just like bringing my mom, my mom is a professional woman. And I saw her with her glasses and her little pen

and I outflow. - My mom is sitting in the crowd with her notebook. (laughing) - And that'll actually make me cry because that is just like,

you have to talk to your friends and I just have the women are so important. That's so important. No one else is doing that for you, except your fucking mom.

And I had this magical moment when I was on stage and you're still scared, you're like, holy fuck, this is the special I've been working two years for this moment. And she was wearing this light blazer and somehow in the darkness, I see her blazer

and I see that she's smiling. Like I saw her teeth smiling and I got this rush of confidence that I was like, we're in this, we're doing it. Like your mom's there for you.

Then I got a text from my dad who wasn't able to come. He was also, I think he was one nervous and also he had to do a couple things.

“I think he was like, also last time he like heard”

that there was free catering for the crew and just kept getting in line for the free catering. So it was whatever. But also my dad and I are very connected emotionally where like he doesn't have to physically be there.

Like he's my coach, I love him to that. So I get a text from him the next day on Saturday. Baby, you've worked so hard for this. Just go out there and be yourself, love you. And in that moment I was like,

isn't it funny to think that you're still there child? No, no, you're still like the baby they brought home from the hospital. I was this close to post in this on Instagram being like, I love my dad so much, thank you.

And then I stopped myself.

I said, wait, wait, wait a second.

This man is sitting nice on the internet. He's sitting at home, sent me a very nice text and I'm about to be like, oh my dad. My mom is out here doing my laundry right now. She's rewriting my stand-up set.

She's organizing everything. And I'm like, daddy sent me a text. (laughing) Daddy, daddy sent me a text. And half the time, half the time.

I know my mom has said, hey, send a text.

- 100% - I mean, 200 texts.

I got teary-eyed. I said this man,

“I'm so lucky to have a dad who's so special.”

- We're no better than the man. - We're no better. We're no better.

So let's, you guys, keep eyes and ears open out here.

No one can be trusted. Okay.

“- No, and just remember, like maybe you're not”

having a horrible day and it's like you hate your life.

Maybe you just have to call your friend. - You love your friend. - Call your friend. - The way you love a thing. - You love a thing. - You go.

- And that's my friend. - I love that. - I love to wrap things up with a bow. - One thing you love is a bow.

“You guys, thank you for giggling with us.”

We love you so much and we'll talk to you later this week. Bye. (upbeat music)