Kerry Washington

Hello, everyone.

“Welcome to another episode of Good Hang.”

Very, very excited about our guest today. It is the one, the only Carrie Washington. Carrie is so talented. She is so good. It's so many things.

And we're going to talk about a lot of those things today. We are going to talk about growing up in the Bronx, the Bronx, and how it shaped her, and what she learned from being from there. And we're going to talk about her activism,

how she stays connected in a turbulent and often depressing world. We're going to talk about scandal because of course. And we're going to get to the nitty-gritty in a lot of that.

And we're going to talk about amazing race,

a random show that we talk about and talk about how good it is for kids. We're going to talk about her new TV show, imperfect women,

“with Elizabeth Moss and Kate Mara that's coming out on Apple.”

All of these things are going to be discussed today. But most importantly, we're going to discuss her, with someone who loves her and who is that person fits. That's right, Tony Goldwin, writer, producer, director, just coming off of directing, shade Joey, a new musical

with Savion Glover that is hopefully on its way to Broadway. We're catching Tony right after her soul. He's tired and it's still, he can't wait to profess his admiration for his co-star. So let's see if we can get him on the Zoom horn.

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All state North American insurance company and affiliates. North Brook Illinois. Tony? Hi, me, how are you? Thank you for talking to us today because I have to say that the relationship

that you and Carrie had on-screen and off-screen is really, really wonderful to watch. And people are very invested in it. And what I have to say is what I glean from the way you two interact with each other is a deep, mutual respect, deep, deep respect for the way you work and the kind of people that you are.

Can you tell us how you first met my first recollection we may have met briefly before this was at the Democratic Convention when Obama became president in 2008, in Denver,

which was a really incredible experience and then we kind of became friends through

kind of social activism and stuff, but didn't know each other well. But for me, when Sean asked me to do scandal and she told me Carrie Washington was doing it, I carry it with an actress who every time I saw her in a movie, I found myself going, "Who is that actress in that role?" Because she was different in every movie she did.

And at the end of the credits, you know, I was like, "Oh my God, that's Carrie Washington. She's just was so great in everything I saw that was Ray or last King of Scotland, I remember seeing you guys." But again, totally different than anything. I've seen, so I was just like, "God, I hope I get a chance to work with her so

when Sean said to me," she's like, "Are you just playing the president of my new show?" I was like, "Well, Sean did rhymes writing a president, that'd be pretty interesting," which he's saying Carrie Washington, I was like, "You and Carrie Washington, I'm in."

“Had you known Sean to before, had you worked with Sean to before?”

Yeah, I met Sean, I directed the, I think the second or third episode of Grey's Anatomy. Oh, wow! Yeah, there was one of the first TV things I'd done, I directed a couple of movies and then Betsy Beers, Sean does partner called me and said, "You know, we'd like, would you consider doing Grey's Anatomy?"

And I saw the pilot of that show and said, "Wow, this is amazing." Of course. And I was just getting used to directing TV, so I did that. And Sean and I met, and she was brand new to television. Little did, she was going to become Empress of the Universe.

Yeah, totally. But I knew the second time that Sean to two, I was like, "Oh, this woman's the real deal." It's so interesting that you and Carrie met in real life doing political work. I'm really in awe of how she stays connected to the real world while also playing these people.

And those two things don't always happen.

She does. And first of all, she's like, she's kind of this amazing husband, Nandi. She's got, she's a totally fully devoted mom of three kids and her perfect. And yet she's like a thousand percent in everything she does.

And I can't ask her because she's too modest. She's just laughing my face if I was like, "You're amazing. How do you do it?" She wouldn't take it.

So, you know, I learned a lot, I always learned a lot from her.

What was it like? She was kind of the leader of the show. She was number one on that call sheet. Carrie, from the get-go, we had an amazing cast of great people all grown up, snow, you know, jerks in the cast, but Carrie set a tone by example.

She works harder than anybody. And then that role, she works so hard. I have a funny story we have, I talk about leading by example. And I think it was maybe our fifth season or something like that. To promote, we are going to premiere the season, good morning America, wanted us to be on

the show. But they wanted us to be on as they're opening 7am to do it. So we're like, "Great, great, great, great, great." And then I was in the makeup trailer, and some of the edges are like, "Wait, so we're in LA.

Wait, 7am means we're like 4am. We have to be here." Wherever we're working, everyone's sort of bitching and moaning about having to be, "Well,

“I mean, you have to be in the girls," or like, "And that means we got to get up at”

2, 30 to be in here and make up." Like, "I don't know. Do you want to do it? I'm not sure. I'm kind of like, "Well, I don't know, you guys want to get mad up that much."

So we're all going, "What should we do? What do we think? What should we do?" So it was one of those things of actors, and I'm not saying it won't like children. And we go to the months set, and one of the Darby and I, Darby stands filled with wonderful

Darby stands filled with our cast. We're talking about it. And Kerry walks into the set under the stage, wasn't working, and she walks to say, "I," and Darby's like, "Oh, you know, I'm going to do a of Kerry wants to do a good morning America."

And I was like, "Well, once you go ask her, she feels better." So Darby goes up to Kerry, and this is classic Kerry watching. And Darby goes, " Kerry, you know, this good morning America thing, the tapping of like 7 am.

“I think you gotta get there at like 2 o'clock in the morning, and I'm just wondering what,”

and Kerry's like, "Of course, we're doing it." Darby, we're in season 5, and ABC wants to promote us by putting us on good morning America. Like, of course we're getting up to in the morning to do this.

Like, isn't it amazing that they want to put us on their opening up their show?

And Darby goes, "Yes, I think it's so fantastic." She comes running over to me and I'm like, "Yep." Mushy. That's Quinn is interesting. I mean, I want to talk to her about that because she has this work ethic that's really,

really, you can feel it, and it feels very collaborative and inclusive. It doesn't feel like strident, but I'm really curious where she gets it from. I don't know. It's for real. It comes out of a kind of joy and passion, and some intense inner drive that she does have.

I mean, no one works as hard as she just something drives her part of it. I mean, she has a lot of gifts to give the world, and a limited amount of time to get one. Well, I want to ask her about that, how do she stay, how do you stay, how does one stay involved in this time of deep fatigue, and deep like every day is really, feels really harder and rougher than the next, and there's a lot of people hurting, and a lot of people

struggling, how do you stay in it?

“It's a big question, and she's got an answer for herself, which I think can be useful to all of”

it. I mean, I want to ask her about that. I sort of have two things that I want. Yeah. What do you want to ask?

Well, there are things that I, as I told you, if I asked her myself, she'd laugh at my face. You know, we talked about her activism, and Carrie is an activist. She's not a normal celebrity activist, which is a great thing, you know, people who don't eat their time, and their money, and their image, and their passion to things that they

care about. Carrie does it on a level, next to maybe Jane Fonda, I've never seen anybody like that. It's become a fully professionalized, fully operational part of her business. It's like she doesn't do anything. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it for real, and have a major impact.

And yeah, so I just would love to hear talk about how that became so professional, so full on, you know? Yeah.

And then, I guess, the second thing I wanted to ask, which I could never, she would never

answer to me, is the drive we talked about. And I wonder as a parent, like, when you have that much drive as a human being, I'm curious to know, does she like impart that to the, yeah, or is it someone who just lays back and has to dial that back in order to let them kind of be them or find it for themselves? I, you know, I wonder.

It's such a good question. No, we do. It's, yeah, like, how do you lead by example? How do you figure out what is the right thing for your kid before you go?

And I want to talk to her about both those things, and there are areas that I want to

get into with her.

“What does it feel like to have done a show that's so still so beloved?”

I mean, people feel such a connection to that show, still, it is, and end of those characters. I'll just say it reminds me a little bit of when me and Adam Scott talk about our characters on Parks and Rec, like, we love, we love Ben and Leslie's love. And it feels like you and Carrie both get that were people are into you, your character's love.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. It is. It constantly amazes me.

I mean, I guess because of Netflix and one of the people, just this past month or two, had been coming up to me a whole lot going, oh my God, I just finished scandal. I just discovered, like, it was just discovering it. And I'm like, didn't we finish that seven years ago? Yeah.

And we had such a beautiful, like you said about you and Adam, we had such a beautiful time doing it, and a group of deep friendships were made, which more than any other job I've ever done.

You know, I have some really close friends from over the years that I've worked with,

but that group was like your high school best friends for seven years, and we're all still really tired. Well, I, I'm so appreciate you talking to us. Thank you for the questions. Carrie will be so happy that we talked such a fan congrats on the musical cannot wait

to see it. Cannot wait till it goes to Broadway. Cannot wait till it wins the Tony and eventually turns into a film that you do. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. I will. I will. Thank you so much, Tony. Thanks for your time.

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I want to start because I'm obsessed with New York kids. Oh. I mean, I grew up in the suburbs of Boston. Kids grew up in New York. They're just...

We're a different breed. You are. And you grew up in the Bronx. I did. What was it like growing up in the Bronx?

“Well, Kerry, what was the Bronx like when you were growing up?”

The thing about being from the Bronx, and I just do a speech about this, a whole entire speech, because I was presenting Jennifer Lopez with an award. And she and I went to the same Boys and Girls Club in the Bronx. And I was saying in the speech that the Bronx is like the underdog borough. It's like the forgotten borough.

Yeah. Brooklyn had Spike Lee, and Queens has all the airports in the cemetery, and like a story. But the Bronx is like the forgotten borough, and people don't expect much of you when you're from the Bronx. And so there's like a hustle, there's a certain kind of hustle and determination to make

it. If there's something you want to do, there's a different kind of strength and resilience, I think, from people who are from the Bronx. I agree. It feels like they're...

And also Fred Armeson does a really funny bit about this. Fred does all the accents of different parts of New York. Yeah. Talks about the Bronx. Yes.

And how it's so... Even the word with an accent. So it's also... Yes. It has an accent.

It's also the only burrow that has a duh in front today. You don't think the Brooklyn, the Bronx, it's like a thing. Yes. It's the whole thing. It's so true.

And there's a vibe. I mean, it's a working class vibe, certainly. Yes, for sure. And a sense of pride. But you're right.

There is a... It's like a scrapy, scruffy, hustler vibe to it. That I'm really proud of. Yeah. Superbar.

I don't think I would have the things I have or have done that. But I have to tell you... This is a little bit of a tangent. But I have to... I don't want to forget to say the tangent.

This morning, when I got up, I was thinking about... I was prepping for the interview. It was such a thing. And I was such a good student. I was like...

“I remember my first time 100 dinner that I ever had the blessing to attend.”

You were one of the time 100 recipients. And your speech changed my life. It was extraordinary because you got up. It was like, you stood up at the tables. You remember this?

Everybody stood up in the room in the tables. And you thanked your nanny. That's who you thanked in your speech. Yeah. Oh my god, my nanny.

Nanny's.

A lot.

And I was thinking about it this morning because it really moved me.

I got very emotional. But I was like, I wasn't even a mom then. I wasn't a mom yet.

“And I think, now when I think about it, it's one of the things I love about you.”

Because you do credit the people who make it possible. And I know I'd be nothing without the support that I have, a child care home, all that. But also, I think growing up in the Bronx, my grandmother, like, I went to a very fancy uprisides. I went to the same school when I went to a fancy uprisides school.

My grandmother used to cook and clean houses in that neighborhood. And so I think there was a part of me that when you got up and thanked your support team, your home staff, it made me feel like my family was seeing it, it made me think of my grandmother. That's so nice.

You were thinking the people that other people like to ignore or pretend don't exist or want to like, marginalize. It just was so moving. Mary, thank you for saying that. I think they people like to make the hardworking class often invisible.

Yes.

And also, it's just mean to other women because it's like, nobody's doing this alone.

Nobody's doing this by themselves. That's right. Now, you don't get more credit by making human other humans invisible. Like, it doesn't make you more perfect. Well, I feel like a lot of the work that you do is exactly that is making sure that people

feel visible and feel seen, like, whether it's the art you're making or the stuff that you're fighting for. Yeah.

“And it makes sense to me that like, maybe it would impact me that way.”

Yeah. And I heard it. Yeah. Before I passed by J.Lo. Yeah.

Just a little mic drop on J.Lo. She taught me how to dance. Can you just tell us what do you mean? So we had this dance teacher named Larry Maldonato. And Larry was a dream.

Larry taught me so much. He was like this very eccentric gay man dance teacher and he ran the dance program. And at the Boys and Girls Club, and he got really sick in the 80s. Like, a lot of people did. And Jennifer is not that much older than me, but she's a little bit older than me.

So she was one of the big girls at the club. And so when Larry went into the hospital, she started teaching dance. Wow. She was teaching the little girls classes. So I mean, if I was like, eight, she was 16 or something like that.

But she was teased. So I learned hip-hop and flamingo and like, oh, I learned to dance from Jennifer.

She's never hired me to dance in any of her videos, but yeah, I don't know what that says.

Yeah. That's wild. So crazy. Because when you're that age and there's like a 16-year-old girl, they're just, and they're good.

They're the most beautiful. They're talented. Yes.

“I remember right before she left to go off to LA to pursue her dream of being famous,”

she did this duet dance with Larry. So he must have gotten better and was back. And it was like, very risky, but we weren't supposed to watch it. The little girls were like, you know, this is not for you. It was like later on in the dance program, but we all hate in the wings.

Because we found it not to watch it. It was beautiful. She was beautiful. It was just, yeah, she's always been a real inspiration for me. Perfect.

So cool. What a fun that like, like, to use a winner term, like sliding doors moment. Yeah. To hold you. You're seeing you again in 20 years in a different wild.

So wild. And you went to Spence. And you were in mid-Summer night stream with Gwyneth. It's the only time I've ever worked with her. You've not worked with J.L. or Gwyneth since.

No. You guys, I'm good. We have history. I'm available. Gwyneth, Jennifer.

Who were you in mid-Summer? Because I was also in the plant. You were, were you? You were a pock. I wish.

Were you? I was peace blossom. Of course, you were one of the fairies. I was a fairie too. And I don't remember which one.

I didn't know all of the names. You might have been peace blossom, but I was so mean. So I just kind of, I was like, just like a background dance. That's the same. Did you?

No. I mean, I feel like you could do many things well. You do do many things well. My kids would argue with you, but I bet you think that. And I feel like, you know, there's probably a point in your life where you had to have

a real, like, you grew up around a lot of artists. You knew from an early age that you were creative person. But yeah. Did you make a decision? Like, I'm going to be an actress.

Yeah, I did. And what age? So I was halfway through college. Okay. Yeah, pretty late.

Yeah, pretty late. And I went to college on an acting scholarship, which I didn't even know existed. But, and it was sort of like being out of basketball scholarship, like I had to audition for all the plays. I really got benched.

I got to do a lot at theater. Right. And so that was maybe the beginning of being like, oh, people will give me money, like, significant amounts of money to do this because it was helping to pay for my education. But then halfway through college, I did this summer conservatory program at Michael Howard Studios

in Chelsea in New York.

moment I went to bed, all I did was act.

There was no, like, hiding behind other classwork or being an academic or it just was, like, I was just an artist all day long every day. And I was so happy. You loved it. I was so happy.

Yeah. Like, clown work and improv and scene study and acting as a business class. And I just was like, I couldn't get enough. Yeah. I wanted to sleep there.

And I just, I was like, I, so I thought, OK, I'm going to try to do this. I gave myself one year after college. And I was like, if I can get a significant job in this year, then I'll go for it. And at the same time, I had like the workbooks next to my bed to study for the LSAT. That's what I get for LSATs.

Interesting. Yeah. Maybe grad school for psych, but I, but that even what is like, I'm going to try for law school first. And in a, again, sliding doors way, you would be what kind of lawyer.

Right now, I'm thinking of like, all's fair. I'd be like a badass divorce lawyer, sexy Sarah Paulson. Yeah. But sexy. No.

Whatever. Whatever. It's sexy. I'm real. I don't know.

Maybe I'd be like an Olivia Pope, because maybe the, maybe the, like, the souls or the energy in your life gets to no matter how you know, so maybe I would have been a crisis person. And I figured out how to be that person. I mean, my mom, who desperately did not want me to be an artist, she's a professor of education. And she was like, I just, I don't want you to starve.

You know, she just, the idea of a starving.

Oh, then I brought my parents with me the first time I was at the Emmys.

The first time I was nominated at the Emmys, I brought them. And it's going to be, we were sitting at the governor's ball. My mom's like cutting into her stake. And I was like, anybody starving? She was like, you're doing okay.

“Um, but I, I think, oh, God, I lost my trade of thought.”

No, I was like, that was not a humble story to tell. No, I love that story. And also, what I feel like is, is you gave yourself a year and in that year, something could happen. Yes.

What was the break? You're good at this. Yeah, I'm good. I'm gonna say. Okay.

Let's brag about ourselves. I'm gonna say this. You're so good at this. You kept track. That's really like one job because you're not intimidated by the tangents.

I love the tangents. And honestly, if you care to know, I do. I think about the tangents. I don't know if you think, I'm much more of a visual. Great.

Learner and remember. So I think about a tangent when you're talking, I think about literally a line going out like this. And I picture it going out like that and I just don't forget to get it. Oh.

I actually visualize it. So I don't forget it. Do you do that in your improv work? Like when you're doing a sketch, it's really similar, right? More and more I'm learning that I visualize things in order to remember them.

Like I try to give it some kind of like picture in my mind.

“But yeah, because you have to in the scene work, let it go.”

You have to be open to the exploration. But then also remember you got to land the plane. So your first big break. See, did you see that was magic? Did you see that happen?

Oh my god. So you consider your, because there's a lot of things that could be your first break. I think so I gave myself this year and in that year, I booked my very first film, which was called Our Song, which is actually having its 25th anniversary here. Wow.

And it was this really tiny, scrappy independent film. I mean, our entire transport department consisted of like four metro cards. We had no wardrobe department department. I mean, it was, it was an incredible experience because it was, we were stealing shots on the subway, we didn't have permits, but it was a story of these three girls growing up

in Brooklyn and I wanted this part so badly. I learned to be in a marching band to be in the movie because it was about a summer in these three girls lives in Brooklyn that are all part of this marching band. It was the best experience. When I was a kid, we lived in this high-rise that was across the water from LaGuardia airport.

And we were like in a flight path, where at the 12th floor with the top floor, these airplanes

would fly by when I was a kid and I would always want to be on those airplanes.

Like, where are they going? I wanted to be on those planes, like explore other places and have adventures. And when we were filming our song, we were stealing shots on the A train in Far Rockaway, close to Kennedy Airport.

“And I remember sitting on the train and a plane going over and thinking, nope, there's”

nowhere else I want to be. I want to be right here. How cool. Doing what I'm doing, you can't put me on a plane right now. I am like in, this is it, this is it.

I'm in the pocket. That's such a cool feeling. Yeah. I mean, you kind of wish it for everybody. You do.

Right. That whatever they're doing, they realize this is exactly what I want to be. Yeah. I wish that for my kids. I wish it for myself.

Yeah. Project to projects. Sign on for something and you're like, oh, this is exactly what I thought it would

This is better than I could have imagined, and it feels so good.

“And sometimes you're like, what time is lunch?”

Yeah. I know. When did you first, we're super lucky to be doing what we do, we're lucky. I think it's really hard. I think it's as hard as coal mining.

I think acting is pretty hard. And acting is harder than brain surgery. I don't know why more actors don't win the Nobel Prize. Yeah. I agree.

When people talk about brain surgery, I'm like, tri acting. Honestly. Seriously for one day. Because I'm like in your brain, doing surgery. Exactly.

I'm at a foreign grade. You know what I mean? Yeah. Multiple patients. They're a year.

Who's starving now? See what I mean? See what you got? It's brilliant. Okay.

Yeah.

“Tell me when you first heard about scandal, was it written for you?”

Um, I mean, Shonda, one of one, she's one of one.

What an incredible, like, you know, a female, truly.

So it was an idea out there that you heard about and did you feel like I, I have got to get that. So, you know, there's been a lot of talk when scandal came out. A lot of the headlines were like, this is the first time that a black woman is leading a network drama.

Almost 40 years. It hadn't happened in my lifetime. I'd never seen it. Crazy drama. So, you can imagine that when word on the street was that there was a show that was

starring a black woman that was going to be on ABC, like, people went crazy, everybody wanted to read for it. And God bless Shonda, she was like, I didn't have the heart to say no. So she read, everybody from like 15 to 85, everybody wanted to be a Olivia Poe. She read everybody.

She met with tons of people. I heard about the project. And I was really a film actor. It was that time when like film actors were starting to do that. I was like, I was like, I was like, the good luck charm like if you hire me to play your wife,

you went into Academy of Art for Switaker, Jamie Foxx. So, I, I wasn't hesitant to do television because I was starting to see that there were these incredible women like, Glenn Close was doing damages and you know, you were starting to see it that there were opportunities for women to play anti-heroes. And have like more rich experience in television and movie stars were doing more TV.

And so, I wanted to read the script, I was like, if it's great, I'll consider it. And I read it. And I was like, oh, I, it was one of those things were like, I threw the script across the room because I was like, this is, I have to play her and it's for me, like, no, I have to be unfortunate thing where they were like 10 other actresses who felt the same way.

So, we all right auditioned and auditioned and come in and come in and come in and come in. I met with her first because I was at a certain place in my career. I could do a meeting first, so I met with her. And I remember getting off the elevator and there was a huge sign that said, Shonda land. And I was like, oh, I don't know about this, right, but it's your land, right, like, what

does that mean? Right. I have a country. I live in.

Yeah, you always want to be careful when people say their own name too much.

It can't-- Yeah, you never know. And then I sat down with her and I was like, I'm in. Yeah, like, I will give up my citizenship. So, if we're in this land of yours, it was just, I love her.

“It's interesting, you have to play a character who has to kind of like take care of other”

people. Yeah. And do you feel like in playing that character, you learn anything about how you take care of other people in your life, like, are you a fixer? I could and almost did write an entire book on the things I learned from Olivia Poe.

Ooh, she taught me-- Tell me a couple chapters. The biggest thing was she, and I feel like you'll really understand this. She taught me how to be a number one, like, at work and in my life. She taught me how to, like, step into leadership and not shy away from it and to be team captain to not be afraid of it, that whole, like, it's my name on that door, like, she taught me

to not be afraid of that, because I always thought, I mean, I had this role model of Jennifer Lopez, but I was like, I'm not that.

Like, I'm not that pretty, and I don't dance like that, and I just, I thought, I'm never

going to be the kind of actor who's like on the cover of magazines. I'm just going to-- my goal was to have a career where I could pay the bills, do a few commercials a year, do a lot of theater, and just live a happy artist's life. So she really taught me, like, to not be afraid to step into more, and that was extraordinary. And yes, I think there was, there is with her.

I don't know if she taught me how to be a fixer. I think I brought a lot of that to her. Yeah. Like, it was written that way. I don't mean to say it.

I invented it. But I already understood the need to want to make things around me better, and to help people, and to, like, that's in me.

Like, there is something in me that wants to help other people.

I mean, even that joke I made about, like, if you hire me to play your wife, you'll win an Academy Award. Like, I do take a lot of pride in the fact that I think when I go home at night, I want to know not only that I did my best work as an actor, but I take a lot of pride in helping other actors do their best work for us from me in the scene.

Sure. I want my scene partner to be like, whoa, I didn't know, like, you know, you can do things to, like, push each other and make it better, and, like, that idea of the water we all rise together. Like, I love that.

I love helping people win.

“But I think that's the best thing about TV is like, when you're locked into a part”

that you love and with people that you love, like, I know you love Tony, I love your cast. Like, you're in a marriage. Really, in, like, a long marriage where you have to like each other. Yes.

Yes. It's family. It's really interesting because this is, like, what the fans don't want to hear. But I, I really am so grateful for the healthy relationships that I was able to have.

Yeah. Also with the men on that show. Like, it's not fully Antonio Goldman. Like, I love their wives. They love my husband.

Yeah. They're so much, okay. Well, let's talk about this. Yeah. Let's talk about this.

And then we'll talk about the relationship you guys all the time. So are we, by the way, we like to fuck with people. Like we, of course, I post stuff all the time with Tony. And that's how you can tell everyone's secure. Yeah.

Yes. That's how you can tell. That's how you can tell. Because you can tell that everybody's feeling totally fine and enjoying it. And it 'cause when people don't do that, then you can't fuck around.

That's the scandal. Yeah. No.

“But I mean, it is, it's like, it's like, what, that's what the sense I got from,”

making you two work together and, and full disclosure, we talked to Tony for this podcast. What? We're already telling you. What? I'll tell you.

Tell me all the things. I love him so much. I know. And if he said anything that I'll tell him. [laughter]

And, um, let me tell you that he likes my husband better than he likes me. Because that's the truth. Well, I'm obsessed with your husband. I am, too. So funny.

I'm so funny. He's so funny. He's really funny. I love him. Yeah.

And, too. Okay. So you're saying, like, you guys were able to have a healthy working, Yeah. Appropriate, um, platonic relationship or you're able to discover these characters together.

Yeah. And enjoy the fact that people love them. Yes. We, I love that people ship them. Yeah.

I love it. I love it so much. I love that people get into argument. Oh, lake. Oh, lits.

All that stuff. I love it. So, that we gave people romance. Mm-hmm. You know, that we gave people escapism.

That we, that we made people think that we made people feel. I love all of that. You had two kids while you were doing your show. Yes. I also had children when I was doing it's show.

It's very hard. Isn't it wild?

I find it way never really.

I don't think I really knew that. I mean, I never really sunk in that you. You were, because my kids were being hidden behind boxes and protobacks. So, you had them both, so you were, you had, you were pregnant and gave birth on both with both during show. Yes.

Dang. Yes. That's hard. That's hard. I'm just going, that's all.

I have no question. Because it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard.

But also, I was so, so blessed. Because Shonda also had young kids. Mm-hmm. And we built a playroom on the lot. And Viola had a daughter.

And the honey and weight was on the same lot. And so we would, we had this play. Like, I had my kids at work with me all the time. That's awesome. I figured out how to nurse during, you know, camera turn around.

So I was like, I need 50 minutes. Get on. Um, and I just, I loved it. I love my, my kids are set kids. They're set kids.

Yeah. They are comfortable on a set, which is important. Because I went with my mom to when she was teaching. I went to her office. And I would sit in her lecture halls.

And I want them to know that what I do is work that I'm working. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. We talked to Tony.

Yes, okay. Oh, yeah. How did it forget? Okay. What did he say?

Um, I mean, he's, he's your biggest fan. Oh. And, you know, there's so many things about you that, like, you know, he, I mean,

we talked about like, the fact that you're, the, the, the amazing,

activist that you are, the way that you stay engaged with the world, the way that you make sure that, um, you use your currency for good. And how important it is to you and how impressive it is to people. I mean, you have been working tirelessly for a long time and talking to people about what

“matters to you and what matters to this country and what matters to the world.”

Yeah. How do you stay engaged right now, Carrie? It's tough. It is really tough. And people are feeling super fatigued and really feeling numb and checked out.

Yeah. And, um, feeling disconnected and feeling discouraged. How are you staying connected and not opting out?

You know, that toxic positivity thing that people talk about and, like, Delaware of it. Yeah, right? I'm, I'm, I don't want to do that. I know.

I mean, I, I, I don't want it. But this is not that. No. I don't think it is, but it is, you're right.

It's always like, you don't want to be like, it's gonna be great.

I mean, no. No. It's got horrible. Y'all know. Y'all, it's bad.

Yeah. But I also don't want to bury my head in the sand. Yeah.

“Because I think it's really important to stay open-hearted and to ask myself,”

what am I willing to do? Because that's changed also. Like, I think every day, each person and every day, there's a different level of what we can give. So I keep trying to ask myself, like, what am I able to do today?

And some days it's like, March for six hours for no kings with my entire family and make seven posters and do it all. I mean, it's like, I want to donate five dollars to a community organization. You know, like, there's different. But to not do nothing.

To really, like, ask of myself to not do nothing.

Because we can all be doing something. Whether, and you know, that it's time, treasure, or talent. Like, no matter who you are, you have something you can give. And it can change over time. But I think we all have to be leaning into solution.

And it, like, in little ways. The other thing I just want to commend you on is, and it's, and definitely from a social media perspective, is you also make things seem fun. Oh.

And I know that that word fun can feel like, I don't know, not weighted enough. But it is important because when you ask people for their time, their energy, it's really hard. I mean, people have really complicated lives. Yeah.

And when you ask them to join into something, if it looks like it's a giraffe. Yeah. Yeah. If it looks like it's a giraffe, they're like, I'm already pretty sad. Yes.

Yes. You know, like, so true. Like, I can take care of my family. Yeah. And like, I hope those other sad people are also hanging on.

But I'm sad too. Yeah. But there's something about the way I find and how you talk about things. And like, thinking about Tony's showing up for things. Yeah.

Is he good example of that? Yeah. You're instinct to want to make it interesting for you.

“Like, just this idea of like, how can I involve people?”

It's not an easy thing to do. So I would say two things about that. One is that I learned from two extraordinary women, even slur with the vagina monologues and Jane Fonda. And I used to be on a board, like the board, the V board. We called it for the vagina monologues.

And which was went from being a play to being a global movement and violence against women. And those two women really throughout my life have taught me that when you're feeling isolated alone and afraid, if you plug into community and community activism in particular, but when you plug into community into like, baking bread for somebody else or making cookies or driving somebody else's kid to school or just checking on a girlfriend who you haven't heard from in a long time, like, plugging into community actually helps you feel better.

Yeah. But it being a part of something bigger than you actually is like a bomb for your soul. [ Applause ] Tony talked also again about like your incredible mothering. One of his questions was, "Oh, we had a question?"

Yes, so I'll take questions. Okay, good. [ Laughter ] So you've directed -- No, no, go ahead. [ Laughter ]

You shouldn't take a question. Don't take it, it could just be like, I'd rather not answer. No. I remember what we were doing one of our first -- it was like our first all cast appearance on Good Morning America, with a scandal cast, and none of them had done a lot of press before.

Right. And I had done all these movies. And so I was like, "You guys, here's the number one thing to remember." And they came in the green room and they were like, "Do you mind if we ask you, and I said, "We'd rather not talk about that."

And the whole cast was like, "Oh, you can say that." It's no matter what anybody asks you to say what you want to say.

I always say that to people.

Answer whatever question you want. If someone says, "You've had it." There's difficult things going on at home.

“You can go, "I mean, I think at the end of the day,”

what's important about us is a community." There you go. That's the number you want to say. That's right. Your interview.

The person forgets what they even ask. If you're bad enough, you know why? They don't know to come back. They don't know. They don't know to do the tangent.

They don't know how to get back in it. And if they come back with, like, but what I asked about then you're like, "Oh, I think we're out of time." It's weird. I can't hear you.

[laughter] Speaking of therapy, right? I was like, "I'm so curious why you ask that."

What a good question.

“I wonder what made you ask that question.”

I'm like, "I'm so curious why you ask that."

That's a great question. What a good question. I wonder what made you ask that question. I'm really curious why you ask that question. I'm really curious why you ask that question.

I'm really curious why you ask that question. I'm really curious. I'm really curious. I wonder what made you ask that question. Can you unpack that for me?

Yes. Where did that come from? Where did that question come from? And then they go, "Hah! [laughter]

Okay, what was Tony's question?" His question was, "Your intense inner drive when it comes to, you have this inner drive which you really respect. When it comes being a mom, is it something you want to instill in your children?"

Oh! And it's kind of what we talked about. How do you push or do you push? How do you figure out?

You have a very strong work ethic.

I do. I'm like a long shorman of acting. I mean, I promise we will cut this part and not keep it in. But have you ever done the Enneagram test? You can keep it in.

I've done it. I don't remember. I don't remember what Enneagram three to me. I feel like she told me she's a three. Oh, she's a big time.

I would say. So whatever I am, I remember I told Rashida and Rashida was like, "Oh, I don't like those." And I was like, "But we're friends." And then it changed her mind.

Any of the Enneagram seven wing six thing for Rashida. Oh, see? I love this about you. I didn't know cutting all this up. Do you, now, are you in a straw as you person?

Also are just an idiot? No, that is nonsense. No, that is nonsense.

I believe in horrible shares.

No, no. No, neurology. Yeah. But he was wondering if your drive, like,

“How do you, do you try to instill that in your kids?”

You want to lead by example? How do you, because I think what's underneath that and what I think is interesting is what I, when I started with is that you can do many things well and you work really hard.

Yeah. How do you instill that in your children? I do. I do. I think about this because I feel like they don't have that

thing of being from the Bronx. Right. They don't have that scrappy wrestler. At least they weren't born in the neighborhood that I think produced it in me.

And so I wonder where they'll find it. Yeah. I see my kids are really resilient. And I see it mostly in sports. That's like their opportunity, their place where that gets.

So what kind of sports mom are you? Do you go to the games? I go to the game. And do you cheer? I do.

And much to the dismay of my children. Because I'm like a loud cheer. Are you a after the game?

“Let's say they have a game and it doesn't go well.”

What do you say to them? There's no wrong answer here. Really? I mean, unless you like parade them, which I know you wouldn't. But.

You look good. How do you? How do you like to approach? I really try to be directed by them. Like I try to figure out how they are feeling about it.

Yeah. And ask a lot of questions. I don't try to make it better immediately. I try to just like. Yeah.

If I if there was a visual metaphor for it, I try to like sit on the bench with them. Oh, that's just like look where they're looking. Just give it some time. It's funny that you do that. I find that there's a lot of good conversations when people are looking forward in the car.

Yes. With kids, especially. Yeah. Walks in the car. That like thing of like, I'm just going to be here.

Like, let me know. Like, was that hard? Do you feel good? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I heard a really cool thing one time. Again, probably just read it on Instagram. Um, did definitely didn't write it in my book. Definitely read it in my book. Um.

I heard it on a commercial. I don't want you to. I mean, I've been like, where did you get that? She's like, well, not to sound like you. But I read it in an article. [laughter]

I'm like, what article? Like, time for kids? She's like, an article. [laughter] But I read something when or again, saw something one time that was like, actually, I loved this metaphor. Act like a small town reporter with your kids.

So, um, just repeat back to them what they just said is if you're writing it down in a small notebook, it feels so hard. It works. Yes. And it was like, the less questions you can ask, the better.

So, they're like, that was a bad game. That was a bad game. I sucked, I didn't play well. You didn't play well. Mm-hmm. Like, you don't say why?

Yeah. The questions can sometimes kind of stop the, because all you want them to do is talk.

Oh, that's so good.

“And then if you want, you can kind of like, give them a headline back.”

Like, so it was a bad game, you didn't play well. Oh, wow. And they're just like, yeah, and then pause. Because the coach said whatever. Yes.

Because the coach said, like, it says, oh, all of, we just want to be witnessed. Yeah. Like a few of them beings. We just want to be witnessed and heard. And that's such good, like, I hear you.

I see you. I'm going to give it back to you. Yeah. That's good. And as opposed to what my instincts sometimes do is like, well, you know what I would do.

Yeah. You know what I think you should say. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And I always ruin it at the end.

Yeah. You've directed a lot. You love driving. What do you love about it? I haven't directed as much as I would like to.

So I need to do more. Mm-hmm. I'm saying that here. And you walk in, kind of, you walk, you've, you've walked in other people's shows. Yeah.

You've walked in and you did. Smell if you did. And it's secure. Yeah. I love directing.

What's it like to walk in or show that's already running? It's so fun. I mean, I, especially if I love the show and love the creatives and I just, I, I think the thing I love about directing is that thing I was talking about with acting like I love to help other. I love to help create an environment where other people can do their best work. And to help push people toward excellence to like unlock the things that are going to make other people better,

that design or acting or a score, like just getting into a situation to help other people do what they do best. Yeah. I love. Yeah. I love that.

Yes. I love it. Yeah. And do you think you want to, I mean, have you directed a feature? I haven't.

So that should be next. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think so.

It's a lot of time away from your time. I'm like, I, this, I was such a time. So I did this movie with Ben Affleck this senior.

“And he was like, you need to find a feature to direct.”

And I was like, I have to find a feature that I like enough. Yes. Just spend that much time away from my amazing husband and children. Have you ever heard Sarah Polly talk about any of this stuff? Amazing director.

She talks a lot about me too. And when she did women talking, which I thought was amazing. She talks a lot about how, you know, there's this, you know, we talk.

Obviously, we're always trying to like write the, the imbalance of not enough female directors.

And there's not enough discussion about the fact that like women. And with kids, it's very, you have to give up a lot of time. And that she was like hoping and kind of working towards this idea that you could have these humane ways of working where more women could direct. And she talked about that movie.

Yeah, that she had women on her crew be able to kind of like what Sean did like, bring kids to work, try to keep our shorter, try to keep prep more remote. Whatever it was so that more women were incentivized because it is like, it's like, it's really, really hard to be a wife choice. Yeah, I so on this film with Ben, he likes to be home with his kids at for dinner.

And so we were done filming every single day by 637. And then I was out before drop off. But I was home for dinner and bedtime and homework to the point where my son was like, mom, is your part not based? Why are you? You're like, he was worried for my career.

He's like, you're home every night for dinner.

“Did you get fired? Are you like pretending to act during the day?”

You're parting on an outfit and setting in your car. He was like, mom, he's like being honest. He's like being honest. I was like, no, I have a really big part. He was like, oh, mom.

Mom, it's okay. There are no small parties, mom. But that's what you mean. And so we so on imperfect women, it was this extraordinary experience of all three leads.

We're all moms. Let's talk about this. Who's in perfect with it? It was really awesome. Kate Mara and myself.

I mean, are most of our directors, our moms, all of our producer. I mean, it was such a family friendly set. And it was great because the show is really told from three points of view.

So basically, for like a third of the show, I was number one on the call sheet.

A third of the show, Kate Mara was number one on the call sheet. And a third of the show, Lizzie was number one on the call sheet. So we got to all like star in a show, but we all had lots of time. Yeah.

So like do other things. Like in Lizzie's episodes, I'm sort of a glorified extra. Like number six, even though I'm not, but it feels like I'm one of the ensemble.

And so it was a really wonderful way to share the load of the pressure of what it takes to lead a limited series because we were, we really shared that responsibility. That's really cool. So fun.

And also it's really great because you got to flex. Like everybody got to do really meaty. I mean, these women Kate Mara and Lizzie Moss are, they're forgets of acting.

I mean, I've just, I, we rewatched the Mad Men recently.

Oh, so good. So good. So good. So good. The most about Moss is she's extraordinary.

She's a treasure. She is an incredible actor. And another amazing director. She's an incredible director. I am not surprised.

Yeah. You like me. You've been in the business a long time. And you've seen it. You've seen it change.

And like, and expand and grow in the way things. You've been in the way things. You've been in the way things. You've been in the way things. Oh, that was all time baby.

Okay. Remember, did you ever smoke cigarettes? So, that's a yes. Casually. I was like a weekend smoker.

Yeah.

You never bought cigarettes.

I never bought cigarettes. Well, not really. Not really. Only for like a boy. I really liked.

And we shared them. But I wasn't like a real, yeah. And then always it was because I would start smoking because of a character. And then get, you know,

I was like kind of method with the smoking. Nothing else. Just the smoking. Yeah. No.

“Do you have any like biases right now that you try to get rid of?”

Yeah. Yeah. So this question. Like, I don't like the guilty pleasure question. Yeah.

Like, if I'm not killing anybody, then I don't want to feel guilty about my pleasure. That's right. My pleasure. Like, pleasure is good. What about your hobbies?

Like, do you like fake food? No. But this I know came from. Yes. I'm a guardian.

I'm a guardian. And there's three gifts. Should I have brought you fake food? Not at all. But I just realized something today and not to put you on the spot.

It's not a psychological test. And your therapist, Julie? No. No. Well, mine.

But you've got three different types of burgers. One for candle. And I would love to know which one you'd like to pick. And for people that are listening. We've got a candle.

Cheeseburger. We've got a wooden cheeseburger. And we've got a squishy. Oh. That's she went for the squish.

You know who else went for the squish? Michelle Obama. Oh. Oh. I mean, water seeks its own level.

Mm. This is so satisfying. Yeah. Excuse me. I'm having a moment.

Yeah. ASMR. And I'm not going to feel guilty because it's pleasure. Yeah. Do you enjoy?

Do you have any? I love dark chocolate. Mm-hmm. I'm a big dark chocolate girl. And are you?

“Are you like an, is there any knitting hobbies situation?”

I really like kitsungi. Excuse me? I do not sneeze. I don't know. Um, you want to Google it?

Mm-hmm. Well, well, you tell me what it is. So it is the Japanese art of putting broken pottery back together again with gold. Oh, wow. It's so beautiful.

Oh, wow. That makes us so, so beautiful. And so I had read about it a long time ago. Mm-hmm. And then I had this beautiful pottery that my mom and dad bought.

For Nandi and I for our 10 year anniversary and had like a Bible verse on the edge. It was handmade. It was beautiful. And my kids were playing ball in the house and they broke it. And they, I was, I was able somehow miraculously to regulate my nervous system in the moment.

And not yell. I was like, oh, oh. And they were devastated. My son was like crying. And I remembered kitsungi.

And I was like, I'm going to put this back together. And so I found this private teacher. So it was last year on my birthday. And I went and brought her these pieces. And we put this bowl back together.

And the art, the philosophy of this art is that by not making the cracks disappear, but by highlighting them with gold, you actually bring beauty to the broken spaces. And you honor that the places where we are wounded and broken are what make us most beautiful. It's just so special. So it's very like meditative and beautiful.

And so now my friends give me their broken place and balls and things. But yeah, I really enjoyed that. What a great, by the way, what a nice thing for your kids. Yeah, so C2 like we make mistakes. It's okay.

And now actually what they say to people when they ask what is they're like, so now we're part of the bowl too. Because it's like, it's our anniversary bowl. They, of course, they had to be a part of it. Oh, that's so nice.

“And honestly, it reminds me of your memoir.”

It reminds me of thicker than water, which was amazing.

I mean, that was very artful. What you just did there. It's like super. It's a good songy. But it does because it reminds me of what you spoke about.

You spoke about, you've, you've spoken about your experience recently. Learning more about your family. Yeah. And learning. And you wrote beautifully about it about in an attempt to kind of find your roots.

Your, your family kind of informed you like, hey, the way maybe you thought this family. Um, what? It came to be with some little dice. You've been lied to her for decades. And that you were born with our, our official information and that, but from a donor from a donor.

And you spoke so beautifully about it.

And I guess my question you is now with some time.

You've kind of, the books out. You've spoken about it. How do you like to talk about it now? I really enjoy talking about it because it's been such a. Healing journey from my family.

Like, we're in such a better place than we used to be. And we were, we kind of had a picture perfect to ask for, for a working class family from the Bronx. We were, like, as perfect as it gets. Um, or so we perform to be. And now there's like a real genuine closeness and authenticity and truth between us.

Um, that's so special. I'm, I'm just so, so grateful. So I really like talking about it. I'm just, my mom said this thing. We were being interviewed.

“I think by Robin Roberts and my mom said, you know, we're just not as afraid to hurt each other as we used to be.”

And that's huge. That's huge. Safety in relationship that trust that like things are hard, but you'll get through it. I don't know. There's just like so much allowing now in our family and grace.

So much more truth and grace than there used to be. I know, it's just such a gift my parents gave me by telling me this truth about who I am and who we. Yeah, it's so awesome. Well, from what I know about you is you love to laugh. And I do.

You do. I really do. What is making you laugh these days? What is like a way where you practice. Tuning out or enjoying yourself or like who, what do you watch?

Read, is it a, isn't, you have something? Well, I think it's something. This podcast. Does everybody say that? No, no, no, no.

This podcast is amazing. I'm going to carry. Thank you. The big thing is my kids. Yes, really.

Because now they're people. So I have one that's 20. My bonus babies 20 and then an 11 and a 9. And they're like now they have their own wit. Yeah.

And it's sharp. Yeah. I love that.

“Like I actually, this is, so I want to be really clear.”

I love when my kids get a good burn on me. Yeah. But it's different. I'm not saying that I want my kids to be disrespectful. Like there's a different thing about like, like, I see some of these other households that my kids hang out in sometimes where there's no discipline or respect in the house.

Like that does not fly in my home. It's really important. But like a good, well-timed comedic burn. It just makes me love that more. Because maybe teasing is a little bit of a love language for you.

Yeah. I think so. Because I share that like a well placed tease. That is well-absorbed is a sign of intelligence. Yes.

You're kids are paying attention. Yes. Yes. They see you. That they know you can take a joke.

Yes. Which is the same with me. Yes. Yes. They feel comfortable like flexing their own mental prowess.

Yes. Just love that. Yes. And they're trying to figure out what goes too far. And they're supposed to practice with you.

Yeah. They are. Yeah. So I love that. And I love also that it humbles me.

I love that.

“Because they're so not impressed with me, which I love.”

Yeah. Have you guys started watching any stuff? Any comedy together? Because that is the age around 8 and 11. Where you start being like...

Oh, we can share shows. This is the number one show that we obsess over as a family. Even so we go back and watch old episodes. Because it doesn't come on enough. It's amazing race.

Let's talk about amazing race.

We... It's not talked about enough. Amazing race. It's still on. It's still on.

It's still on. And they're still facing. They're still still... He's still traveling the world. I...

I've never met him. If I ever meet him, I'm going to pass out. He's amazing. And so what's amazing? He's amazing.

He's amazing. And he races. The thing I love about watching you with our kids is... So there's all this kind of learning going on. First of all, we're learning geography.

Right. We're learning culture. Right. Learning languages. Dance around the world.

Food around the world. Music around the world. Landmarks. In important places. Yeah.

You're also learning just travel resilience because you're a big travel family. So they're learning like sometimes the hotel is closed. Sometimes you miss the train. Like they're learning that kind of stuff. But the biggest thing are these relational dynamics.

Oh yeah. Because I love when my son turns to me and he's like, He is not a good husband. Right. Like you see these teams where you're like,

Why is he talking to her like that? Yeah. Like two siblings where you're like, They do not really get along. Or two sisters where you're like,

I love their relationship. Yeah. It's so they're really learning about what makes a good team. Yeah. What partnership looks like, what respect.

So we love him and we laugh a lot in amazing ways. Because inevitably in the first couple of episodes,

there's always the people that are like,

They have no business being on the other side. Those people have no business being on the other side. No. And you're losing everything around the world. But they're having a good time.

Maybe we have a good time with that. Do you? Okay. Do you think when you watch amazing ways,

- So here's one of the really sweet things. - And I don't talk about my relationship often. - I know. - I love not eating. - We eat the first show we watched together.

- Like even when we were dating, - We were watching a movie. - We were watching a movie. - We were watching a movie. - We were watching a movie. - Crush a movie. - We would. - We would.

- He has all of the physical prowess. - There's no any retired athletes on there. - But he has the athlete, anything, any so smart and funny. - And you have the drive. - Yes. - You have, you would be there. - And I get it there.

- I'm scrappy, I've got the Bronx. I'd bring the Bronx to me wherever I go. - My mother's like, "Why do you make everything "the Bronx whenever I'm like, "Come on, baby!" - She's like, "This is not what you watch it

"and think I would do well."

“The only thing I know I would not do well on is.”

- The running. - The running. - What? It's a race. What are we talking about? - You have to run. - What do you mean?

- Do you not run? - I mean, I run okay. Sometimes it's a foot race. - It's true. - It's true, sometimes it's true. - Like you can be so great.

And then again, you just have to run with your bag to the next thing. - True. - That's not nice. - I would kill. - You would, are you a good runner? - No, but I would make myself a good runner.

- This is our difference. - I think I would struggle with the driving. - Oh, I could do that well. - Yeah, we would be a good team. - Okay.

- Because I would be like, at the end when they'd be like, "Run to the thing, I'd be like, "You got it." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I would go. - And in the car, I'd be like,

"Go for it." I get nervous on the highway. I'm going to look like, as you approach the moment where it's like, "I don't know, GPS, be clear." I get really nervous.

“- No, I couldn't lock in on the driving.”

But the running, I know I would try as fast as I could. I would try as hard as I could. - And I was just getting so far behind it.

- We always make them a sake of falling in love

with a team that's like a father, daughter, a mother, son. And they do so well and they're so smart and they're so on it. And then there's a foot race in your life. - It's a running.

- It takes an '87. - They're not gonna win. They're not gonna win. - And that is why I don't think it's fair, there's too much running and that show about racing.

- But also anything, like the thing, the great, we're not gonna talk about this forever. But the thing that's so magical about the amazing race and the other thing that my kids really are absorbing is anything's possible.

- True. - The final challenge could be all mental. - It's true. - And you think you're the team who's got it. But if you can't figure out how to make that special

Portuguese sausage, the way to, then you're done. - And to the point about teamwork, when people are at their lowest point, when they're very, very stressed, they're real, the real personality comes out.

- It's so true. - So when someone is kind. - Yes. - And when they're kind to each other at their lowest point, then you know they're gonna be okay?

- Yes, we always, because we watch old episodes

and we so Google, like, are they still together?

“We think they're married still, did they ever get married?”

- We're like super, really, really need to go on. - All right, just tell them to do that. - But no, I can't, we can't. And like compete with all the big brother, people. - Remember, Battle of the Network Stars?

- I do. - You might be too young for that, but I do have a memory of that. - There was an amazing moment in TV where all of the stars in TV had to put on really short shorts and do like Olympic events.

And just do track and feel the events and be, and it was the most famous people in TV. - And they all did it. - And they all, I mean, not to be with you today. - I would do it.

- You would say all but the running. - I would do all but the running. - And I wouldn't do very well in any of the events, but I would have so much fun. - I'd be good, like, mouth, I'd be like,

I'd be, I'd be able to trash talk. - Oh, yes, that's important. - And that was important. And Battle of the Network Stars, there was a little bit of like, ha ha,

I'm gonna get you kind of thing.

But insurance would never let this happen.

- That's true, they wouldn't do it now. - No, you see. - The teams we, that I'm proud that my kids don't like, 'cause I got nervous, they would just be focused on the winning.

But there are like, occasionally there are teams who lie about what to do next. They're like, they figure out a challenge and then they lie to the next team. - I know.

- And those, and it always comes back to that. - Karma, karma. - Yeah. - When they take the thing, they're like, don't show them that's right, that's right.

- That's right, that's right. - Oh, they're like, oh, yeah, the clues over there. - And it's really over there and they're like, see you and hell, that's right, that's right. See you in amazing ways in the ass.

- Yeah. - And Phil's gonna be like, you've arrived. You've been, you're the last to arrive. - And it makes it. - And it makes it to inform you.

(laughing) - Oh, it's so good. - Okay, thank you so much for doing this. - Thank you so much for doing this. (clapping)

- Thank you so much, Carrie. It was so fun talking to you and I'm always just impressed by your range and ability to do so many things. So well, thanks for being an awesome guest and it's just great talking to you.

And I feel like I wanna just plug this YouTube show, the street that you grew up on.

and E.C. Ray and Sarah Paulson.

“And it's a great idea, this idea of just figuring out”

where you grew up and digging deeper.

And it feels like Carrie's always trying to do that

in her own life and in her characters. And so, check that out on YouTube.

“And I've heard that you can get you to without commercials.”

If you pay a little extra, (laughing)

which I'm not willing to do. But, if you wanna do that, that's up to you. So thank you so much for joining us, Carrie.

“Thanks so much for listening to Good Hang”

and we'll see you soon, bye.

(clapping) You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show will be Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the Wringer and Paper Cite.

For the Wringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalaine, Kaya McMullen, and Alaya's Aniris. For Paper Cite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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