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What's the theme for this week?

We've got family stories. Ooh, I feel like, and we were talking and I went to break today about our own families. And I feel like this is going to bring up some fun conversations about our own lives. Everyone, at least at one point, had a family or started with a family or built their own family.

“The idea of someone being extremely close to you, I think we can all relate to that to”

some degree. So the stories we're covering today, pretty mind-blowing, deeply uncomfortable, and I'm excited to hear your perspectives on just what you would do in some of these situations. Okay. I'm excited. Yeah, I'm so excited.

We also want to hear from all of you what you would do in these situations, or if you have your own crimes of family situations that you want to share with us, which you can do in the comments, or on the crimes of Reddit, subreddit, which is our backslash crimes of pod. And we'll probably read some of your stories if you put them on there.

So we want to do that. Bring 'em on. Share your secrets. Tell us everything. Show us your toes.

I don't know. What do you want to do that? I don't think I can. Yeah. That's a different subreddit.

Not ours. Totally. Have you ever had someone ask for feedbacks? No. No.

No. No. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Now I really wear the candles. Like I feel like that happens. Like it happens to friends of mine where a lot of sandals. And once they see the feet on Instagram or something, then people get, but they're getting

it for free. I know what they want them more high-deft. Look. Interesting. Yeah.

I found a lot of people. But it's also because I've joked about starting a business, because I think I could

Probably.

And so I've had people DM me.

“I've yet to give in, because I was told by my manager that at this library, slow, you”

start with your toes. And then you go to your bulba. It could happen fast, it could happen fast. Anyway, we're not here for feet. We're here for Reddit.

That's right. Should we dig in to the first story? Yes. I'm going to close my laptop because you want to lock in. I'm going to hold on to it like my emotional support.

Security laptop. Yeah. Got it. So here's where we're starting. My strange family revealed that my loving family oriented dad was actually a monster.

OK. So growing up, my friends would always say that my brother and I have the coolest parents.

They were the laid back, but still involved mom and dad parents. I was especially close to my dad and thought he was the best dad ever. He made a hot wheels doll house by hand for my birthday to give you an example. Wait, like a doll house made out of hot wheels. I have, I want pictures.

We can only imagine. Yeah. Then she goes on. When I wanted to be super girl, my mom hand showed me a costume for Halloween. My parents are a physically affectionate couple too.

And my brother and I thought it was gross when we were kids. But now I realize that being in your 40s and still in love is a miracle. Mm-hmm. Kind of depressing. But sure.

Yeah. Yeah. So she continues.

My parents are immigrants and because of that we were never really close to their families

who lived in their home country. But recently my brother and I got in touch with some cousins on my mom's side on our own and got to know them. They were awesome and really chill. My aunts and uncles and grandparents were a little stiff, but they were nice.

They only wanted to hear about what us and our mom were up to and not my dad. So I got kind of frustrated and kept mentioning my dad anyway. Finally my cousin said, if we didn't stop talking about our dad, their parents wouldn't let them talk to us anymore. Like knowing the subject line of this post, my mind is going to all crazy fast.

Yeah. Yeah. To hear what actually. Brace yourself. Okay.

Now, of our cousins knew what was going on either or why they hated our dad so much. So they all started asking around and digging into family stuff. I thought it was going to be something stupid like class differences or my grandparents not approving of my dad for some reason. But we found out the truth and it was a lot worse than we imagined.

I don't know. My cousins found a single short newspaper article from a digital archive about it. Turns out when my dad was young. He kidnapped a university student and kept her for a bit a bit. How long is a bit?

I had questions about a bit because a bit could be a couple minutes, a couple hours, a week a month. I mean, a bit in a life could be a year. Yeah. So who's to say, but not elaborating yet.

Okay. We'll see if we get to it. So she continues. He was a minor at the time this happened. So he didn't get named or get a real punishment or anything like that on his record.

Okay. So I can't look at my dad the same way again or my mom.

“Why would my mom marry someone who literally kidnapped and hurt a person?”

My parents have noticed something off with us, but I don't even know how to bring it up. So the question here is, what would you do if you found up this information about your own dad or mom, would you confront your parents? I have found out information like this about my dad. Like this, worse.

I'm listening. I don't know if I should talk about it on here, but I was told, my dad might have been involved in a deadly crime when growing up. This is fascinating. So it can be so destabilizing to learn something about your parents and there's no age

for the redder here who posted this, but it's like, especially when you're young, you have like adults on a pedestal and think that like they're different than how you feel. Right. Yeah, and they have it all figured out, right, and that they didn't have a life before

you. Right. And they have tangled secrets just like, yeah, anyone else. And like, because I, from my own experience, when I learned that, I wasn't all that surprised given what I know about my dad because he is a very complicated figure and I'm like,

oh, this lure actually makes me understand him a little bit better, but it sounds like in this situation, it was so disorienting and didn't align at all with the managing knows.

“Yeah, and I think, you know, that's in her setup, just her dad was the best.”

This was a huge shock. So some of the comments here, one of them says this, I'm sorry, that's a terrible thing to find out about someone you love, but since you do love your dad, and he has loved you all these years, tell him what you found and give him a chance to tell you what happened. Maybe he had a mental illness that's under control now, where he was under the influence

of drugs or bad people or voices in his head.

to ask him. Good luck.

“I'll be hoping things work out for you and your family.”

Good advice. Would you ask? Yes. Okay. I have no self control.

And those people who can like harbor, no, I'm like heart-on-sleeve, no control.

And the second I have one drink, it's over.

It's over. So the original poster replied to this comment and said, "And thanks for the advice. It's hard. I don't know how I'll even ask him about this. This isn't the dad.

I know it all." Now, whatever you're thinking this is, it's about to get so much crazy. Was it the mom? We'll see. Oh, my God.

Okay. So another commenter said this, maybe when your brother can ask together to be there to support each other, it won't be easy, but it might help save your relationship with your father and mother depending on what you find out. So at this point, per what we're reading, the original poster's disgusted with her mom

for knowing this about the dad. So very interesting, so later in this thread, the original poster provides more additional contacts. Here's what they say. Okay.

It's okay if you don't believe me. It's kind of an unbelievable horrible thing to happen. So my cousins know more about this stuff than me or my brother, since they actually speak the language and talk to my aunts and uncles about all this. One of my aunts made a few kind of vague statements about what happened, like about him being

bad as a teen. And my cousin's search for what she talked about, and they found the article on Astro about

“it, and she basically confirmed it, because she said that's why they don't talk about”

my dad. I don't know if it's why he did what he did. Their article was really short, only a few lines in their native language, just saying

he could not do university student and kept her basically.

And that he was a minor, and went to the equivalent of Juvi for a few months. I don't know how to explain it, but their country has conservative values, but not that conservative. Like they're pretty modern. The victim was a student at a university, so she had to be at least 19 or 20 from what my cousin said.

So she was a woman, not like a girl. I don't know what to think. My cousins don't know much more than me, since the older generation have kept it hash hash. So original poster has more updates. So I tried to bring it up to my dad, but I couldn't.

I would really hurt to accuse him of being a monster if he had literally done nothing wrong, because it meant that I actually thought he could be capable of doing something horrible like this. So I decided to talk to my mom. I told my mom everything, and she kind of started to justify it, saying that my dad

was young, stupid, in love, and mentally all over the place. Then she slipped up and said, he didn't hurt me, okay. So I dug deeper into the thread, and the original poster added more that at the time, so apparently she clocked based on this mom's admission, that it was actually the mom who was kidnapped by her, abducted by the dad, okay.

So the mom added more context, said this. They didn't know each other before the abduction. My mom thought it was safe to accept. They didn't know each other before. No.

So it was a stranger abduction, okay. So my mom thought it was safe to accept a ride for my dad because he was young and harmless, and he was wearing a school uniform.

“She said my mom was 20, and my dad was 16, but I think she's mixing that up.”

And then another question for me, was your dad's family aware of the kidnapping? Was he living with anyone, did he have any family?

And apparently he lived with my grandpa, my great grandpa, who was always out of the country,

and my dad's out of the family was pretty well off. No one was home at the time of the kidnapping, because of the holidays. The maid came in in the morning to either pick stuff up or drop it off, and that's when my mom crawled out of the window, twisted her ankle, and ran to the maid and asked to go to the police.

So like at least overnight, she didn't say, oh my God. Yeah, so something happened here where the mom was abducted in a stranger abduction and somehow ended up marrying, and we don't know how their relationship progressed after that. No. But another commenter said this, that they had heard something similar in their native country,

which was the Philippines, because it was in the '70s, and said that a family member of there has got abducted in the '70s and the Philippines, and by the chauffeur, by a driver. Yeah. Apparently, the scandal of disappearing with this man for days was so scandalous and like reputation ruining that she decided to just marry the guy, because of that.

Because culturally that was basically like your damage good now, good now, your damage goods now. So if you don't marry this guy, no one's going to marry you, and the way this is devastating, I know. Yeah.

So people in the comments in this post were asking if that could be the case. Right. It kind of a little bit like Stockholm syndrome too, yeah.

this confrontation eventually with both of them, the mom and the dad, and she kept asking,

I kept asking my dad why he would do this, and he was just being stupid in selfish and didn't realize that it was scary to her. And my mom said what's done is done, and they got over it, and now my mom and dad are in love and happy, and that we could go to individual therapy to deal with it further if we needed to.

I do appreciate that as a response, I guess. My brother said it didn't matter anymore, and he wishes we didn't know at all.

“And original poster says, I can't look on my parents the same way again, and honestly”

I agree with my brother, I regret talking with my cousins, and I think my strange family has right to avoid my family for what my dad did. I've really, really sad for the original poster. Yeah. Because that's like, that is life-shattering a little bit.

Yeah, and I think for me what I would be most worried about, I don't know about her age, but looking at this now at my age, I'm like growing up in a family system, that dysfunctional is terrifying, and I wonder what the other implications are. Well, then also, is the mom actually willingly, or has she convinced herself that she's in this relationship willingly on her own terms, or has she been manipulated so much

over the years that she doesn't even know? Yeah, I mean, you mentioned the Stockholm Center, and it's like, well, how long was a bit? I think you know that? Yeah.

And what happened? Exactly. Oh, yeah. Also out of curiosity, I know we don't have this answer, but growing up, I would ask my parents all the time.

Like, how did you guys meet? I want to know your love story. What did the poster's parents say? They probably said university, school, but what they really meant is, oh, I kidnapped your mom from school.

Or a bit. Yeah. If people in the comments are like, there's more to this, there must be something missing between your mom for giving him, for the abducting her, and her family hating him, and people want to know, again, which country this is.

And another commenter said, well, if you did nothing, why run away to the U.S. Like, there's got to be more to this story. But I don't think I'd want to find out if I was, if this was my parents. I guess, here's the one thing that doesn't make it better necessarily, but at least it's not an unknown woman that he kidnapped, that like, we don't know where she is or how she's

doing. Like, it's horrible. Don't kidnap anyone. Yeah. The mom survived.

She's okay physically. Physically. Yeah. And seems to be a good mom. Yeah.

And original poster leaves us with this. My dad did kidnap her, even though my mom insists that he didn't hurt her. And she was fine, but she admitted she was terrified when she was in his house, because she had no idea what he would do to her. So you've definitely did bad things, even if you regret it, kidnapping is a horrible crime.

“My first thought would be like, did he do this anyone else?”

Anyone who's capable of this who's willing to let someone be afraid, you know, and then further like now, the way she's describing her life now, the mom being essentially like removed from her family, because they all hate him, the abductor husband. Yeah. I mean, it sounds pretty bad.

I think it's always a red flag if your family doesn't like a partner.

100%. Yeah. Damn. And it only gets worse from here. Oh, great.

Fantastic. You ready for number five? Yeah. Let's do it. I, 24 feet male, found hundreds of pictures of my brother, 20 male.

On my boyfriend's 24 male laptop, can anyone please explain to me what's going on? Okay. Have you ever dealt with anything like this? No. I think goodness.

Have you? No. I did in high school when I first went to my high school, everyone was like, oh, my odd, your lex with my sister's name is also lexis. So it was like, oh, your lexis sister, like, she's so hot.

So I dealt with all the boys wanting my sister, but I've never had to deal with finding

photos of her on a boyfriend's phone. Yeah. So, okay. I've been with my boyfriend for a year.

“A relationship is slash was great, and we honestly never had any serious problems.”

We both have full-time jobs and lived together. He's good friends with my younger brother as well, mainly because of their shared interest and fitness, workouts, etc. They hang out a good amount and go to the gym together. In hindsight, the fact that they're good friends makes it all the more creepier.

Yes, today I was home alone and my boyfriend was at work. I needed to print something out, but my laptop wasn't working at all. My boyfriend has several laptops and there's one in particular he never uses. At least I've never seen him use it. That's weird.

But in itself is an odd thing. Unless you have a production company, do you need that many laptops? No. Like, I have a bunch of broken laptops that I haven't done anything with.

Yeah, so I get that, but like having a bunch around like functioning on.

Yeah, maybe now. So anyways, I thought this laptop was some dusty old thing. I grabbed it and it was not shut down properly. When I opened it, it took me straight to the photo albums. And there were hundreds of pictures of my brother saved.

“Also if it took her right to it, that means that that's what that computer is for.”

It's the last thing he was doing before he closed it. Okay, so most of these pictures were pulled from his social media accounts. But there were also pics of him from his rugby team's website, WTF. Question mark. Okay.

So they're not nude. No. It could be a physique situation. Body envy? I don't know.

Get them in. It's a description to men's journal or something. I'm trying to make it less worse. Yeah. This isn't even the worst.

Okay, great. There's an album that only consisted of creep shots and videos. Picks of him sleeping and even videos of him getting changed. Oh, no. You could clearly see in the vids that he wasn't aware of being recorded.

What the fucking fuck, she says. Are you agreed with the fucking fuck? Given the fuck? Yeah. Oh, I hate it.

So the last pick he uploaded was literally last week. This is so creepy. I don't even know what to say. There were also pics of someone's gym clothes and I'm assuming they're also my brothers. I'm confused, disgusted, and shocked what the hell is going on.

When he came back from work, I just went straight to sleep. I couldn't even face him.

“I honestly can't think of a good reason he would do this.”

I mean, straight guys don't usually do this, right? I don't know if I should even confront him about it. Should I ask what this whole thing is about? We'll also have violating for her brother. Because it's not like, oh, maybe they're having a secret affair

and he's sending her boyfriend photos, and he's being stalked. Yes. And all of his privacy is being invaded by someone he trusts. Yeah. So why do you think the boyfriend's doing this to the brother?

Either romantic interest or obsession. I mean, whatever it is, it's not great. Would you confront your boyfriend? This is a really tough situation because it feels a little bit more nuanced where it's someone you know.

Like I almost immediate jump into concern for the brother. How do I protect my brother? Because it's so violating, but then yeah, like that's your partner. I don't know. I don't know.

Would you? I would not. Because he feels unsafe. Yes. That would not because there are so many true crime cases where somebody's busted.

There's been situations that's different than this, but we're like the husband's faking that he got in a medical school and they're like moving to the city to go to medical school.

And then the wife finds out he's not even, he never got in and the guy freaks out and kills

his whole family. Once the veneer, like we've seen this in cases like, you know, like the Scott Peters and case, there's like elements of this, like if you catch someone in a lie, sometimes like they freak out and bring out everything to yeah.

“So I think something like this with how sensitive the situation is because if you confront”

the boyfriend, if you confront the boyfriend, he's in be afraid that you're going to tell the brother. The second you know your liability to whatever the obsession is, yeah, I would not. I would end the relationship and tell the brother. Yeah.

But then it's like, it's such a hard one because they're not knowing what the reasoning I think would also bother me, but I agree I wouldn't want to confront him directly. No. So some of the comments weigh in on this. So when user says he's clearly got a thing for your brother, it's not a healthy way of

expressing it, creepy if anything, but it's quite obvious, confront him, tell him how uncomfortable it makes you feel. Be prepared to break it off with him, sorry you're having to deal with this.

The original poster replies, it's weird because I've never even suspected that he had a thing

for my brother. I would have noticed something like that, I honestly can't believe it. Another user says it's not just that your boyfriend is sexually attracted to your brother, but that he's clearly obsessive. Yeah.

I'm a single guy and I will look at Facebook pictures of my crush, but I don't save them my computer. That's super creepy. And then go out of your way to take surveillance footage, basically stuff, the sleep stuff is really creepy.

One user says, it's a lot worse than your boyfriend being secretly gay. Because I agree, being secretly gay has nothing to do with violating, you know, I would take the laptop and show my brother, then go to the police and report it. And another user says, can police do? I hope you said that, I hope you'd ask that because I welcome.

They have a lot of a lot of users say this, don't confront him alone, go to the police.

Yeah. Or until your brother pieces together that these were taken with secret cameras, like, you

“going to the police with the computer isn't there just pictures without context, you know?”

So tricky. Because then also, I mean, I feel like the right way of his breakup with him, tell your brother. But then it's this awkward, like, is he so obsessed with your brother now that your brother is in danger?

Right. Right. Right. One user said, I don't recommend confronting him alone. This is some very unhealthy stuff.

And I feel like if you corner someone with this sort of thing, he may react in a way that puts you in danger, don't you think that you said? Even if you crave the dramatic airing, which are you one for a dramatic airing? I think there's something really cathartic about confronting someone, because I think

what you said, like, I'd always be afraid, like, what if there was an explanation?

Like, I think that's a valid fear. Yeah. But I think your gut would know there's something so wrong about this. But a lot of people would be like, I can't just end a relationship without talking about this.

But a younger version of myself might not be able to hold it in.

“If this happened now, I'd realize how dangerous this is.”

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because I've confronted men in my past who have, like, been looking at other women and stuff, but it's not someone I know and it's not taken to the level of obsession and stalking.

Yeah. This dangerous stuff. Yeah. So there's an update. Okay.

I'm sorry to disappoint, but this isn't a positive update. I know. I'm still trying to mentally process it all, hence the delayed post. So I grabbed my laptop to take pics of the photo albums. I found way more stuff than I originally stumbled upon.

A lot of commenters in the original post said that he probably used me to get closer to my brother.

I didn't quite believe it at first, but they were right.

Like it predates the relationship situation. Yeah. While I was taking pics of the photo albums, I found more folders. He began saving these pictures for or five months before we even started dating. And my brother didn't even know him at that time.

Okay. So yeah, this is a very dangerous man. That realization sent chills down my spine. You're not alone in that scenario. No.

I also went on the internet. The bookmarks, his browsing history. It was all horrific. I'm not going to elaborate because it's honestly sickening. It's a clear that he has an obsession with my brother and extremely violent and disturbing

fantasies about him. Oh, like she found like searches. Yeah. And when you say violent and disturbing fantasies, that's like really scary. That's scary.

Yeah. I mean, that's the kind of stuff you see in evidence against serial killers. I mean, that's literally in like Rex Huerman, the long island serial killer, they presented that kind of evidence of his digital searches, like violent, disgusting predatory fantasies. Yeah.

“And it's like, clearly, that's what she's inferring here about her brother, which is so”

scary. So scary. So she continues, this was absolutely messed up, scary stuff. I cannot believe that I was so clueless about everything. I went over to my brother's place and explained everything, showing him proof on the actual

laptop. He was shocked and creeped out, of course, but didn't believe that my ex was behind this for different reasons. But he's not gay. he wouldn't do something like this, et cetera. I wanted to go to the police, but he completely refused.

It also doesn't even have to be a gay thing. It could be like a murder thing. It truly could be fantasizing about killing someone. Yeah. You hear this about, you know, there are a few cases that I've seen about like female

friendships that escalated to some, one of them has some fixation and it's a, there's obviously something really strange here, but you can see why he doesn't want to go to the police. It's the same reason victims of sexual assault who are boys and men don't want to go to the police because they immediately will say, like, the police will suspect I'm gay when I'm not. Right.

Not that there was obviously anything wrong with that, but like they don't even want to go there. Yeah. Which is sad. It's so sad.

And why so many male victims like keep it buried inside and then victimizing other people frankly, because they don't deal with any of it. So, brother didn't want to go to the police. She continues. He's actually, they confront my ex and public, but my brother just straight away texted

him to come over. When my ex came, I showed him the laptop and asked him to explain. The entire situation was so bizarre. While I was talking, he seemed incredibly angry.

I've never seen such a look on his face before when it's so scary.

But when he calm down, he casually confessed to everything when he calmed down. He said that it was just a bad habit. He got into and that he's truly sorry, you know, just like, you know, picking your nails. Yeah. It's like so chilling.

And at that point, my brother said that this probably is a prank. It just wasn't funny, et cetera.

He was so nonchalant and cold. I didn't even recognize him anymore. Then he said that he would immediately stop doing this if we kept this to ourselves.

I think my brother finally believed him then because he was absolutely dumbstruck.

It's worse. My ex then said he'd take down the cameras too. Shut up. And that we shouldn't make a big deal out of it. I asked him where the cameras were and he proceeded to show us.

He probably thought he was a good guy for cooperating with us and that it would make the situation less creepy. What was it like, why would you trust that he shows you all the cameras? Well, and you know what? I mean, that's a manipulation tactic.

Yeah. People who are liars and manipulators will admit to one thing and be like, look, I'm being a total open book. I'm not lying.

“See, I'm confessing everything and then the worst thing is still buried.”

So this isn't even the worst thing. So then he says turns out there was a camera in the shower as well. It was nauseating.

The conversation that followed was extremely uncomfortable and my ex said some very provocative

inappropriate things. This is a way worse than I ever had a man. I know. It's dev- it's traumatizing for everyone, the brother and sister. And like pinning a wedge between them, like there's so much wrong with this, they ended

up having a huge argument about the stolen clothes amongst other topics and the rest was pretty awful. I eventually went to stay at a friends place. I'd already pack my stuff anyway. There was another pair.

I was like, I hope there's more of you going to know more. Later that night, my ex texted me that I'm a bad person for invading his privacy and that I'm selfish, narcissistic, a bad human being, et cetera. He said that he's willing to forgive me though. Yeah, you really said that.

Great guy. Great guy. The gaslighting. Yeah. The Darvo.

Right. I blocked his number on everything.

“A day later, he came to me at work and I told him to stay away from me.”

He did that every day for one week at different locations until I seriously threatened him.

He said that he never cared about me anyway and wished me luck for my future relationships.

What a horrible, horrible man. So there's another ending with how the brother, how that went out. A couple of days ago, my brother texted me. We haven't spoken at all since that day and he apologized, but he still refuses to address the elephant in the room.

He's just pretending it never happened. I told him that my ex is clearly not stable. Why would you not notify the police? And I honestly don't know what to do. And so, by the way, it was his 21st birthday yesterday and I called him in the morning.

He told me that he got a present from an unknown sender. What was it? Do we know? No. But the poster, the original poster said this.

I said that the sender is probably not a known to us, like this is 100% my psycho ex. I just know him. And as I said, this isn't a positive update. A lot of people seem to be concerned and that's the only reason I posted this. I just hope things don't get worse.

How long ago is this posted? This I just post was in 2018.

“I mean, I'm sure there have been updates since then.”

This guy was obsessive and clearly a bad person. But I'm also concerned of how many other people he has in the past on this too. And we'll continue to do this too. Because when there are no punishments for someone like this, they have no reason to stop.

Yeah. I mean, he's only 24. Think about all the time left in life he has to like terrorize and torment people and invade people. Try to see people.

Yeah. I do. They're the worst. Well, again, it's just like the entitlement of feeling entitled to someone's privacy and stealing his clothes.

There's so much of that in like criminal minds, like you see it in killers. That's how they start. It's like burglarizing and stealing people's underwear, like an escalation violence. Yeah. So, and especially, yeah, in the searches, she was talking about like, no good can come

from this. Yeah, I feel like that's gonna escalate. And it's gonna be one of those situations where it escalates to an extreme, like knock on wood, hopefully no one gets murdered. But like if something like that does happen, it's gonna be one of those cases where

you look back and this is one of the stories that you hear about and it's like, oh, all the science were there. Yeah. And sending the gift after, you know, yeah, supposedly everything was gonna be cut off. But I also understand from the brother's perspective why you wouldn't want to go to the

police. Like, that's his decision to make, I guess, in a way. But you were even pointing out. Like, I don't know. I feel like it makes it more real.

Yeah. You'd want to downplay it and make it like not a bigger thing. And it's maybe it's a, you know, a defense mechanism too. Yeah. If there's worse on this computer, I don't want to know.

Yeah. It's already messing with his life, psyche, reality.

Geez. Well, that's a grim. I know. Well, is it gonna get worse? It's gonna get different.

“And I think this will be, I mean, you have a brother.”

So this is not that last story was not relatable to me in any way. I don't have brothers.

I always wondered what it would be like because I think that's such an interesting

dynamic. I technically have three brothers, but I only have one that I'm really close with. Yeah. Yeah. That's many brothers.

I feel like I've dabbled in how complicated my dad is, but he's a complicated man has lots of kids. Many. Okay. Yeah.

So you really understand the brother of it all. Yeah. Especially with my younger brother who's, well, they're all younger, but of my like core family, he's 28 and I feel like I helped raise him too, so I feel so protective of him.

Yeah. I think I would become more protective of someone trying to fuck with my family and my brother or my sister than I would if someone was trying to fuck with me. Oh, yeah. I've just let people walk around.

Oh, yeah. For sure. But yeah. No. 100%.

Yeah.

Are we ready for the next one?

Let's do it.

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I'm very happy to be able to do it. It has been hasn't reacted yet. He's consumed with his grief and I don't want to bother him. Especially when he bitterly told me,

“you must be very pleased now when we heard the news and I tried to comfort him.”

You apologize later and said he was just feeling guilty that he loved and chose me more than he loved her. Well, that's so complicated. Yeah, that's so complicated. It would be one thing to find out your mom was this packs person while she's still alive.

But to be dealing with the grief of losing your mom, regardless of how complicated your relationship is, you could hate your parent and if they die, people still have so much grief and that feeling of loss. It's primal.

They're the most foundational relationships human beings can have. I mean, they mold who we are and we feel totally intertwined with them. So it makes total sense like it's impossible let go. So sad. So she continues.

Okay. Now I'm waiting for my husband to connect the dots. Will he get it? If he does, will he talk to me about it? I don't know if I will ever bring it up to him.

Also, I won't relax and go back to my normal life just yet. But I know in my heart that it's over and I can't be happier about my life. Well, yeah. And she's entitled to feel that relief because she was being tormented by this woman. Also, I'm curious if, and maybe this will be in updates.

But when like you lose someone and you like start to go through their things, do they find anything that proves? I've actually heard a lot of stories like that. Where, you know, one story I heard was this woman was dealing with like constant people stealing her identity constantly.

And like basically her financial life was in ruins.

And when her mom died, she found all the documents that it was her mom. And then it's like you can't do anything with the anger. Yes, they're gone. Yeah. Crazy.

“So, what do you think you'd tell the husband or do you think you'd wait?”

I would wait because I would empathize so much with their processing the grief. And then I would be able to like stick with my relief of it being over. But I wouldn't want to throw that on them. Right, what about you? I think I would have started accusing the mother-in-law the second.

I suspected it. Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of like, yeah. I'm not, I can't be calculating like that. Yeah. So my husband at the time of her death would have already known that I thought it was hard.

I do agree with that. But I think if you didn't put it together until after. I wouldn't, yes. Choose that. Yeah, I wouldn't do that for the first time.

Yeah. Totally. So some comments here. You know, there are a lot of cases where people had tons of threatening letters and phone calls.

And many of them never found out who did it.

And most people assumed it was some random psycho. But I wonder how many were close to them instead. There was an episode of this American life about a woman who was continuously the victim of identity theft. And the big accounts.

No, I heard a different story about. Big accounts kept getting hit despite changing cards, banks, everything. Turns out she was living with a thief. Another comment. My stalker was a high school classmate.

I think most people know or assume their stalkers someone they know. Yeah, because it's far more rare to be stalked by someone you've never interacted before. People agree.

“You should let him connect the dots on his own.”

Yeah. I wouldn't even drop hints. I would be like, we should go look through your mom's phone. Yeah. Like where we need lead him to water.

Totally. So are we ready for the update? Yes. I was here maybe a month ago talking about me suspecting that my mother Alaw was my stalker who tormented me for years.

I was trying to get advice about whether or not to tell my husband. Who was mourning her. I decided to wait a little. But after venting here, I was sure she was my stalker.

I started living like I never had before with 10 minutes walks alone.

Then 15, then a half hour, and then so on. At first, my husband didn't notice my freedom. Or maybe he did, but he was processing it himself. Last Friday, I told him that I was going out with the girls. Alone?

Yes. Want me to drive you there? No need. Are you not afraid anymore? No.

My stalker won't bother me again. He kissed me and wished me a nice evening. When I came home around midnight, he was still up and he said he wanted to talk. He asked me. Was my mother your stalker?

Yes. He broke down crying. Oh. He said he is always suspected her and even talked to her a couple times about it. And she met him so guilty by accusing her that she accused him of being whipped by me.

Oh, this poor man. You know why? It's so messed up.

The mother-in-law is tormenting the daughter-in-law.

But she's also tormenting her own son. 100%. Because now there's a frantic upset woman in his life who he's having to spend time and energy trying to get to the bottom of who's doing this. It's creating chaos in their nuclear family. So she's also tormenting her own son in a weird way.

And then she's like victimizing herself when he brings it to her. And then makes him almost caught all her more. And be like, oh, how dare? I'm so sorry. You're right.

How could I accuse you? Like you love me. You wouldn't do that to me. Yeah. Like you're choosing your wife over your mother and accusing me.

That's deranged. And he's like, oh, my God. I'm so terrible. And she's manipulating him and messing with his emotions. I mean, listen.

I very low standards for men. I'm trying to record the bars like, and I don't know much more about this man. But I got to give praise for him turning out into like the type of man that he is given the situation that we're hearing about with his mom. Yeah, absolutely.

And the original poster said he apologized for never discussing it with me and never protected me from his family, even though he had suspicions.

“Honestly, I'm not even matter disappointed.”

If the police couldn't help me, I don't know how much my husband could have done. And I just want to move on and leave this behind. We're going to start a couple of therapy in my husband's planning to tell his family that my mother-in-law was my stalker. He's adamant about it. And honestly, I think it's a good idea.

My husband has also decided to not attend the headstone setting on his mother's grave. Oh, man. That's tough. Well, I think he has the insight to be like, oh, my God. The lies, the betrayal.

She wasn't who she said she was or who I thought she was. 100%. Gosh. Yeah. And there are a couple other comments.

The love and mutual respect you to share shows so clearly through your story. You had the grace to give him time to come to the realization on his own. He had the grace to recognize how you're struggling coincided with his mother's presence in your lives. It's a beautiful outcome to a deeply troubling experience. Also, what a beautiful comment on Reddit.

The most insightful, articulate comment. Maybe that's ever been on Reddit. Y'all must be two very strong people who have found each other and made the decision to navigate this world as partners. Here's to a lifetime of love and understanding. And the original poster replied to this.

I wanted so many times to leave the relationship because I couldn't take the stalking any longer. But he has been nothing but supportive and kind to me and I love him so much. I'm glad we stuck together. A happy ending fall. Do I believe in love again? Maybe. And like happy endings on Reddit? I know.

Unexpected. Wow. The plot twist I didn't see coming. And to not have let the mother-in-law win. Right.

And you know, confronting people when they're alive. Like that could have blown up the entire extended family. Like really it could have been all out war. Yeah.

And she could have gas lit a million other people to take her side.

It's almost better that they found out when she was already gone. And I do agree that he was given the time and space to come to it on his own.

“I think makes this situation like that's why they were able to have such a healthy...”

Oh. Imagine dealing with it. Imagine he confronted her how manipulative and crazy making she would have been. Yeah. It would have been a disaster. So damn.

Happy ending for a Reddit cup. Have you ever found like any secrets about your family? Yes. So many secrets. Oh my gosh. Well, I do have a funny story about it.

Okay. So my dad, I got him like 23 and me for like a father's day a long time ago. And he told me he signed up for it and he opted into like let family find you. And he got a hit for having a son. And then do have a brother.

So you found a hit for a son. And it turns out my dad is an identical twin. And my cousins were technically my genetically half siblings. Oh. So my male cousin had joined 23 and me and it was him.

Oh. So it was a big surprise. But no, there's a lot of secrets in my family. I don't even know how to start airing them out.

“Well, I think also I think that could be said about all families.”

Right? There's secrets in every family. There's just different like varying levels of horrific secrets. Yeah. Some are not terrible and some are that you are kidnapped your mother. Yeah, kidnapped your mother or maybe wasn't killed in a crime in Pakistan.

Or have many kids. I don't know. I feel like the kids one is a very commonly spoken about one. And I especially with 23 me. I feel like people didn't even know. I mean, found out that they had other kids.

And I don't even know whether they do, which is also terrifying.

For men. But yeah, crazy. So crazy.

“When I offline, we'll have to unpack all your family secrets.”

Yes.

Well, there's more to learn in future episodes of Crimes of Reddit.

But if you have family secrets that you want to share with us, you can add them in the comment, or you can go over to our subreddit. Crimes of pod anonymously reveal those secrets. Or not. Yeah.

You don't have to be anonymous. You read it handle your real name. Don't be a coward. Don't be a coward. Mine is definitely not my real name.

No. Ah. Is it? How many of you have?

“I had one and now I have that I don't use.”

Okay. I have one at a time. Okay.

I think now it's my real name.

Okay. Because I'm not a coward. You don't hide behind a thing. I'm really participate. I lurk.

I'm such a lurker. I don't ever. Maybe like the bachelor subreddit once or twice. But I really don't like. I'm not in the weeds.

Yeah. No. Oh. So, Corinne. I feel like.

Most of my friends I thought were lurkers.

And then all of a sudden there was like a post that came up. And I saw Corinne had commented. And I was like, excuse you. You were commented because it was like on like a random post. And I was very concerned.

So I, I appreciate that you're a lurker. I've definitely like popped in when there's misinformation about me on there. That's fair. But I also, I'm like, after I do it, I'm so mad. I'm like, you're supposed to be above all this.

So you're not even supposed to bother with defending it. Like, don't see that's allowed. I feel like if I found out someone I knew was adding to like the negativity online, that would change how I view them. But if you're just like correcting misinformation,

or being like, oh, this is pretty. I just should really stay away when I've like had a Margarita and feeling spicy. And I do insane things. And after this, we should go get a Margarita. We will walk back all of it.

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