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- Sendy's voice. - Okay. - Listen, child. It's like when she goes kind of mad, and then she'll start a sense

and then finish a sentence really fast.

“So she'll be like, "Tah, I can't believe”

you were in the store like that." You know? - Hi, I'm Cynthia. - I'm Crystal. This is Humble Brad.

- Humble Brad. - Humble Brad. - Oh, I have teeth. - Once a housewife? - Always a housewife.

- Can we send in again for the people in the back? - Humble Brad. - Humble Brad. - Brad with us. - We are here at Humble Brad today,

and we have our good friends from Watch What Reppens Live. - Woo! - Look on a crap, oh, we're gonna talk to the house. - All the crap, we know it, you know it.

- So we've become friends, Ben and Ronnie, through kind of like, originally from Watch It Happens, 'cause I loved listening to your show and making fun of me, making fun of Cynthia,

and we're gonna make you make fun of you. - Thank you guys very soon. - Yes. - And then you guys are also Trumps. - Yes.

- We're just kind of where it all comes back to. - We are. - Oh, I didn't realize you guys were Trumps as well. - We're like, we're like, we're like, - We're like, we're like, we're like, Trumps.

- Oh, 'cause we're like, yeah, we're Trumps light. - Yeah. - We're not, we're not there enough to be like, full time Trumps. We're like once a month, Trumps.

- We're Trumps. - Ah, yeah, yeah. - But you've been gone for a while, because you've been in Atlanta. - I've been demoted to a Chumpet too,

'cause I'm not around that much anymore. - We were on this morning, and he actually said to you,

you were not demoted, you're just never in town.

- Yeah. - So, I had to get figured that out, because I was like, wait a minute, there's all kinds of chumps I've going on, and I'm not getting the invite anymore,

because I don't really live here, so. - Do you guys follow the drama? - Like, do you know the latest drama? - I don't really follow it, because I worry that if I follow it, I'll get too enmeshed in it,

and then if I get enmeshed, like, I don't want to be, like, I'm just gonna be, I'm like a bad enmeshure. You know, I'm just like, I don't want to go down that path, but like, when we go on his show, he usually gives us an update on the latest.

So, the last thing I heard was, what's the state's Joey's Aussie, and like, he was excommunicated from the chumps. - So, that was the last thing we went on. - Well, he did that during our episode, by the way.

- Oh, yeah, by the way. - We know about that. - He's like, oh, glad to have you guys on. Okay, I'm gonna fire Joey's Aussie. (laughing)

- Thanks, it's always, he'll always love

to bring up some awkwardness while we're there on the house. But I follow it, I don't even do it on purpose, but Reddit threads will pop up about it, and like, my suggested feed. So, I'll read about some of it.

Why what is the latest episode? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, Crystal knows, 'cause, like I said, I hadn't really been there. - Yeah, this is, I'm going on tomorrow,

so I need to know all the way. - Okay, so, the Joey stuff is just there. It's nothing's changed. Every one of the wishes everyone will all come back together. - Yeah, but he wants to make up.

'Cause I ran into him at the Women's Cancer Research event, and he was definitely like, yeah, you know. You know, I can't wait to get on the other side of it, you know, Crystal's my girl, all the things. - Good luck.

- He's written more spell, he wants to be your friend again. - Oh, oh, with you, I thought you meant, I don't want to make up with Jeff. I was like, oh, I feel like once you're out. - Okay, I can only talk about the Crystal.

- I really hope he's not out, honestly. Like, I can, if Jeff can make up with him, if I do, of course, like, I don't want to be that person, you know, like, I just need it to be. - Wait, is it two separate dramas though?

- I thought you had to remind me of my specific, but Jeff's was, he was like upset that Joey was getting into with other people. - Oh, okay.

“- So I think mine was sort of the camel.”

You know, mine was the last one, but like it was happening with other people. - Okay, I didn't know Jeff and Joey had a whole drama. - I think their drama was like, other people's drama.

- Of the people's drama. - You know what I'm talking about. - Yeah, you know, but the latest was Jamie Kennedy, and, and, and I'm going out with MJ tomorrow. So this is really good.

I said, okay, this one I did pay attention to because I heard that he made her cry. - Yeah. - No, he didn't, he should cry, that happened to me. What actually happened, 'cause I don't really know what,

actually, you should listen to it. - It's, it's pretty. - I will listen to it, but you know what, I would love to listen to it with the context of something that you might tell me about it, which is,

he basically, she was his realtor, right?

- Yes. And they had been talking about him looking for house, or I don't know what felt like a year at this point, and it takes a long time to find house, and then they apparently found the house,

close the deal, but this is all the post, you know, getting the keys and the mail and then dead or not, and he, like blasted her for not doing what he she wanted, but actually, I felt like he was so out of line. I mean, he was like really, like, braiding her,

and she held her up for not getting the keys in the mail, just stuff like, you know, when you get in a house, it's like, it's a lot of transitions, yeah.

“But like, it's not her job, but it's a service job, right?”

So she's like, I gave you, you know,

It's like this, yeah, to pick pool,

like he was like demanding more faster right now, and she's like, call you back, you know, and like, and he didn't like that. Then he put her on blast, and it was really intense, and he was coming for her, and she defended herself.

And the latest, I know, I mean, Jeff said today that, you know, Jamie was remorseful. I think he regrets how he did it, but I don't know, I'm just gonna go back for him. It was pretty bad.

- Well, I don't think she should, that's terrible. I mean, it's nice when the real tour does do, help you out with certain things, whatever. And even if you were not, even if MJ got distracted and didn't do this, like you're gonna go on the radio,

and you know, put her on blast, and like try to take down her and tie all her business. - Yes, that's what I like. - Because you didn't get your keys, or, well, I mean, the keys is actually a big deal.

But like, the keys, it was like-- - It was like, it was like the transition stuff, right? - Yeah, it was a transition stuff, yeah. It wasn't like he couldn't get into his home, but the way you handled it, sound like it was a lot, it was rough.

But like, are we talking about like, it took a week to get the keys, are we talking about two months to get the keys? - Like they apparently that happened the day before. And she didn't even know he was upset with her.

“- So that's what I said, and she goes on to the show,”

and he goes, "I have beef with you." Oh, and it popped off. - Was it like, was he trying to be like joking, and then it got out of him and it turned real, and then it was like, oh, no, he just was,

he was like, I genuinely have, so he was just trying to have a reality star moment. - Some people think that. - Was he, it's he on the show? - I think he's like us, like we kind of guessed her.

I don't think he's a, he's not like on the cast, but, you know, he and MJ are very prominent in, you know, they're not chump light, they're chump heavy. - That's right. - So they are very integrated in that world,

and is MJ a part of the show? - No. - I think the people who are tacit. - Who is a part of the show? (laughing)

- Is anybody in this show? - Because all the chumps, like, these are like, - It's not the show.

- I always see these same chumps, like,

who is actually so many cast on the show? - I think the cast is Doug, Shane, Annie, Joey, Joey, but he's the top off. - Is it Moses? - Is Ryan on the show?

- No. - Ryan's on the show. - Who's on the show? - Kian? - Kian.

- Jameson. - Yeah. - I think Jameson is technically,

“so the way I understand what Jameson is,”

he's not a full cast member. He's like a friend of 'cause he's always, - Welcome to my world. - He's said, yeah, he's, you know, Cathy Hilton, he's the friend, and maybe Oscar's that way.

- Yeah. - Other than that, but that's still like six, seven people. His whole team is quite large. - You know what I'd like is I feel like the last two times when Ronnie have gone on the show,

like we show up and the cameras are all there. - Yeah, yeah. - They're still there today. - Right, no. - How come?

I don't know. - Maybe they're done, but I know that both times that we went as soon as we got there, they're like, okay, that's a wrap. I just moved my members out like it's been in Ronnie, okay.

- They're like the losers are here. All right, but the camera's back on the station wagon, it was a squirrel down the street. We should get some stuff with this. - You have to do that.

- Have you guys, we don't need to do this whole time. Have you guys ever been on a bravo show? - Yes. - No, well, I mean in the background and stuff, but we haven't, like, been on the show.

- That's still very old. - That's so cool. - Okay, there's no small parts. Only small bravo, yeah, we've been in the background of like top chef, Ben's done that a couple times.

- Okay. - We also-- - What is background mean? Like, are there background people? - Like in top chef, when they go cook,

yeah, they go cook in an event, and they show people eating and being like, "Oh, well, I found the chickpea delicious." And so one else is like, "Oh, chickpea's are so overdone." - That was us one time.

- That's a real small part. - Real, well, but how about you? - Totally. - I got to go on top chef masters and they like stuck a camera in my face

as I eat something. And they're like, I apparently said, this is a go tender, delicious, and they like put that clip in there. And like every like, you know, like once a year,

when they decide to show top chef masters, I got a tech thing. I think that's like on TV, I see it. - It's tender, delicious. - Yeah, we actually, when we did top chef

Los Angeles, we were like tasers, and like we didn't have any lines in it, but it was cool because that was when Kwame was like an up-and-coming chef. I'm like in Kwame's last name,

but now he's like prominent chef. His restaurant's ranked number one in the country, and everything.

“And I just remember going to his little stand”

and his home thing wasn't working, and he was freaking, yeah, I was like, oh, it's okay. But I got to go to the summer house, which was cool and got to be on that. I mean, I was beyond cut from the episode.

Like, I wasn't even in the background.

You would never know it was there,

but I got that experience of having the camera's value. - Okay, Roddy, I feel like there was like some other show that we did, where we went to Stasi's show, Stasi, you know. - Oh, the villa.

- It wasn't villa. She's doing some other show. - Stasi says, yeah.

that they took a few months ago. So we sort of like, basically get around a little bit. - Do you guys want to do reality TV? - Is there real?

- No, no. - I don't really do. - I don't have a lie. - I don't have a lie. - Yeah, I don't have a lie.

- Yeah, I don't have a lie. - You guys only bet your own actors. - Yeah. - You just made fun of us, that's all. - Yes, I'm a talker, I want to be with it.

I love surprising people when we show on some places people like, oh my God, there's Rodney, there's bad, you know? Do people treat you like other, you know, like the Salt Lake

“cities of the world, like the bloggers or an orange county?”

Did they treat you guys like that or no? - How do you mean? - Do Bravo people DM me and whatever? 'Cause you guys aren't like, you're not really those kinds of people.

You just like make fun of me. - No, we'll get, if we meet when we interview somebody, we don't really do a lot of interviews. But if we do, we meet like a housewife or something. Sometimes they'll start trying that with us

or they're like, well, so-and-so said this.

And never trust this person, and never trust that.

And I'm like, girl, we don't care. I don't, we're like, I still care. And we're not, yeah, we're just a legalist alone. (laughing) We already hate Kyle, Chris, don't you?

(laughing) (laughing) - By the way, speaking of hating Kyle, I watched something else. Wait, what?

All right, just that is all to it, girls trip. - The first one? - Yes, and watch it, you're very, oh, the first one. - The first one, and my opinion, actually. - Well, it was my best one, you know,

we're not gonna go out with her. And she-- - We had a moment, yeah. - For sure. - But they really dragged it out. - Yeah, you were killed, and I don't seem to remember

that you and Kyle had like a moment. - Yeah, we did. - Oh, we did. - Look at for you. - I get so happy.

(laughing) - I'm so proud of this. - I'm so proud of this. - You weren't having it on that season.

“I remember that, you were getting into it with Kenya”

for not being a good enough friend, I remember that. - Yeah, it was a whole thing. - I think it was the first time I was like, actually like a villain. Like, out suddenly I was like-- - How are you, then?

- No, I was actually very much on your side with that. - Yeah, I mean, I don't think so. - And I'm actually a big Kenya fan, but I was fully on your side, because I felt like I understand that feeling

when you're like, hello, like-- - I'm 100%, I totally don't think you're at a villain. - No, I don't think you're the villain. - Thank you. - A lot of people very much understood on that.

- But you know what though? That's exactly what it's when I was filming with her. It was like, you're intentionally misunderstanding me to make me look stupid. - Yeah.

- That's her game, that is the way she does. It's brilliant. - You filmed with Kenya? - Why did you film with Kenya? - No, no, with Kyle.

- Oh, with Kyle. - Like, oh, okay, big deal, you know. - Yeah, Kyle's game is being like, does anybody think crystals being like a rational or anything?

- Yes. - Christian, like she tries to gaslight it, like everybody, if they don't agree with her, they're like literally insane and need to be. - Isn't that my favorite?

- It's a small split all, you know. - After that, then after like 10 minutes later, they're like, are we good? - Yeah, you know what's crazy about that? - You're like, no, no, we're not good.

- Like, I'm still like processing and I'm pretty sure I'm still mad at you, right? - I'm literally crying. What are you not seeing? - We're good now, right?

- We good.

- Here's what I don't understand.

And like, correct me if I'm overstepping or I don't know Kyle at all. But, you know, when you were on, she spent a lot of time kind of like ridiculing you or like, she kept the whole violation thing.

She was like, oh, violating again, violating. Oh, she's ain't violating. Kyle is sort of like low-key saying, like, you can't say anything around Crystal 'cause she's like, like, too delicate,

be careful with your language. She sent it out. - She sent it out. - And then, turn around, you're off the show. There's this Morgan Wade thing going on.

And Kyle's like, well, I can't say anything because there's another person involved in this situation and I'm trying to respect her boundaries. So suddenly the queen of like ridiculing someone who's like, happens to say violation,

suddenly is very, very sensitive about language and how it's used. And that like really dry, I never thought about that until right now I know I'm meant.

“- Oh, well, I think everyone's just gonna capitalize”

on the weakest moment, right? Of someone on that kind of show, especially if you're like an OG and you know how to, for her, it's like low-hanging fruit, right? Like, it's like not a big deal.

And it's like, oh, just keep going until, you know, Crystal cracks open and, you know, they're all her blood and gut they're spilled out. But when it comes to you, you're gonna protect it 'cause I think a lot of times people don't,

she probably doesn't feel like everyone's gonna come for her. You know, it's like she kind of, she got to set's the tone.

But I've actually never set this out loud.

Yeah, I've set it to people in private. Like I really believe that Kyle treated me that way because I, in her best friend's mind, Teddy, who I was friends with before, you know, when we started, she brought me on to a curse book.

And so I think Teddy was really devastated that she wasn't no longer on the show. And so Kyle had to prove to Teddy, like, I'm not gonna be friends with her. Oh.

I think there was a lot. So we're to have to prove things to Teddy of all people. (laughing) I mean, Teddy was really devastated

and I feel bad because I really didn't go on the show with the intention of being without her. I really was like, she brought me on.

Yeah, like, I was excited because I was like,

oh, she's the only person I really, I mean, I knew Kathy, but Teddy really brought me on. I was like, oh, this is so fun. And then it happened and I really didn't want to do it. Because they let her go one day and the next day they called me.

I thought I was like, oh, great, I'm not getting a call 'cause I saw him in the news. Teddy was like, oh, so I was like, oh, okay, well, I guess I'm not gonna do this show either. So when they called me, I was a little bit,

I was really taken a back 'cause I just fully let the show go like in the interview process. Like, this is not happening. So then I went, you know, so I just think that relationship

and my dynamic with Kyle was definitely influenced by what had happened with the cast.

“- Well, I think even like taking Kyle out of that equation,”

like if I was bringing someone into the circle and then they keep the person that I brought in and kicked me out of the circle, I would definitely be like, what the fuck? - Yeah, yeah.

- So like, I'm not mad at it.

- It's kind of like, let him. - Okay, like, what? - Yeah, but you know, take it out on the producer as you know, not the actual new person. - No, so that's not me at a easy for me to be taken out on.

- No, I'm not saying. - And we wanted to prove it was a bad choice. - Yeah, like you got rid of Teddy for this. - She also does this thing with you, I think a lot where it was like, she's just a younger generation

and the language of the year, which you know, I'm older, so I get some of that, you know, I gave you shit for a lot of that too. - Oh God, crystal violated, you know. - Ah, such a yard.

- Yeah, I got it, but what was so funny? - It was created in 2015, violated, - Yeah, it was created in the dictionary. (laughing) - But in that use, it was, in that use, it was new.

But, you know, when you were kind of-- - Wait, hold your hand, now we're gonna gloves her off.

In that, you, it was so funny.

- And now, in the way that you used it, it was kind of new 'cause you were using it in like a newer way. Like, I'm very violated by that. That was like an emotional, you know, that's like an emotional vocabulary

that we hadn't been using all the time at that point. - That was very funny. - Or that, like, okay, when did a tact happen? Like, you know, it's usually, you know, any time something happens is like, I feel a tact.

Like, was that before the violated thing happened or after?

“- I think it's, 'cause I'm so provoked when,”

like, you're having a conversation back and forth with someone who you're clearly doing a TV show with. And you're just, happened like a pretty healthy debate and they're like, I feel a tact. I'm like, yeah, that's a classic.

- That is so crazy to me. - Well, the new one is verbally accosted. - Oh, yeah, I'm verbally accosted. - But by the way, the generations are getting shorter and shorter, 'cause even I roll my ass like,

"Oh, I'm provoked." - I know, exactly, now you're one of the older ones. - Yeah, I know, down on the other side of it. - But I just thought it was so funny that Kyle was using that. Like, oh, she's, you know, she's saying violated

and this and that, but once she started dating someone your age, it totally changed because she had to learn to like communicate with somebody from that generation and I thought that was so funny. It's like the minute she found Morgan, her whole language changed

and then she's like, you guys can't ask people to come out of the closet. That's not very LGBTQ+ of you. It's a good out of your Kyle. - I don't get to say that, yeah.

- She's not gonna, like, that's fire. - I know, that's the funny thing is she's like, she's deriding you for using the language of the young people. All these young people and what they say, and meanwhile, she's going out of her way

every season to use the latest language. She's like, this is on fleek, okay, Kyle. - Hi, girl, summer. (laughing) - Not high, girl, summer. It literally actually took Kyle's credit.

I'm gonna give Kyle a Richard some credit. It was Rachel's though, who kept on saying, "Hi, girl, summer." I got to have such a hot girl, summer, and Kyle looked like, yeah, no one says

that anymore. - Yeah, yeah. - I was like, wow, I've even kind of Richard, it's like, oh, it's over. - Yeah.

- That was the time, right? - That was a good time. - That was a good time. - That was a good time. - That was a good time. - I do actually want you to go back on

because now that we've met you and hung out with you both on this podcast, we had breakfast in Texas, you were on our show. And on TV, crystals, very quiet, and was sort of like, your time, and you sort of like, have an early season moment,

and you'd be quiet. - But in person, you're like, oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my, this is the way, and then I'm gonna do it. I went to the supermarket and they were like, out of bags, and I was like, oh my, who is this crystal?

Like you're a totally different person. You're like, you're very funny, and you're very, but you also, like, you're very snarky, and I'm like, I'm like, where is this person? - Yes, it is.

- Absolutely. And so, you know, what you're feeling violated, it's hard to come out and be snarky.

“No, I was just like, honestly, it was like,”

and they were saying that, 'cause I am very snarky, and I don't shut the fuck up, but I did feel like, you know, I had so much other things behind the scenes going on, including the Kyle Titney, that was really challenging for me,

because I didn't want to upset Titney genuinely, 'cause I felt bad, like, you're saying like, I'm not like an asshole, like, I felt, I sort of tiptoed through that situation because I'm like, I don't wanna like, over,

you know, like, if you feel like you're being watched,

act big, right? And that was also happening with my ex friends, the 14 friends, like, they were being fucking horrible, you know, around me behind my back. And so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna be really small,

no one's gonna see him here. Literally, I was like, I'm gonna put an invisible cloak on, and no one's gonna watch the show and everyone's just gonna not know him there. Like, that's literally how I felt.

Now don't care about anybody. So I'm like, okay, I'll just say what they know. Say what I wanna say. She's really brought it out of me, this crazy one. She's like, yeah, she is like, just be yourself,

who cares?

“- You're a better man, better end of the genre, you know?”

- Well, thank you so much.

I have to say that when I first came on season three

of Atlanta, I came on with the biggest personality, on a land, Ms. Nini leaks. - That's right. - You know what I'm saying? It's like, you talk about being in someone's shadow.

You know what I'm saying? Hi, everyone over here. Because she was the breakout star of the show, and she's like, you know, when she walks into the room, she just has a big presence.

So I had to learn to your point to what I would normally speak up. I was like, okay, I've got to jump in every time I get a chance because you don't get a second chance to film a scene. Like, you gotta like, just make yourself as vocal as possible. And sometimes like, you know, I'd learn the art of just

inserting myself into conversations, even, like, no matter what, just because there's a camera in my face at this point, I have to be saying something. I can't just sit there and serve cheap bones to whole time. - That's right.

- But it's about.

So it's hard to get, like, I mean, I'm sorry,

it's very easy to kind of just blend into the wall. It's like that, you know, our favorite with the Homer sinking into the bush thing. It's like, I was there, but was I really there, because it doesn't matter if you're talking.

“- But that's how you act normally, you know,”

like you normally, and a normal conversation, someone talk, and you sit in your quietness. - Yeah. - And it's like normal, but on TV, I guess you have to. - No, you got to jump.

- Well, but also Cynthia, you'd been doing it so many years like we can see the difference in different seasons where like when season you'll be like, you know what, I'm sick of being quiet. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna say what I want now.

And then the audience is like, bitch, you know, because you're giving them more and on those shows, you give them anything and they're gonna react to you. - Yeah. - So then when you do kind of, not change your personality, but up, up, up your personality,

then you get the bad reaction from it. And it's like, okay, it just takes so much like working and tweaking it seems like. And you guys must feel like it's just so hard to get it right and where everybody wants you to be, you know?

- Yeah, well, I think on a show like that, they do take your quietness for weakness. I think the louder person in the room gets more credit, you know what I mean, just because they're just loud and saying something and the quiet girl is kind of like,

“I think it's changed over the years now,”

but I think like back then you just had to, if you're quiet, you were boring. If you didn't insert yourself into every situation, you were boring or you were weak or you were like whatever. Like, you know, just louder meant like,

better reality, type personality. Like back then, it's changed now. I feel like, you know, I just shot season 17 as an official friend of the show. And even as a friend,

even how a friend thing is changed. - Yeah, it has. - It really, really has. Like before it'd be like, oh my god, I'm only a friend. Like nobody really cares at this point. I think Kathy Hilton had a big hand in showing that,

you know, the friend can be a flex too. - So yeah, like I definitely give you, - And they give you guys way more now as a friend. I feel, I don't mean physically, I don't know what they give you. I assume as much as ever,

but you get more on the show now as far as respect and people are like, oh, wow, they're lucky. Like on Miami, the best housewives aren't our friends. - Yeah, I mean-- - You've got Mary's story.

- Oh, look at her friends and they're still the biggest part of the show. - Yeah, it's still, you know, we do, I have to say the ladies give me a lot of respect on the show because I've just been around for so long.

- I think it's like an annual position because I think originally, the whole friend of, it was, I feel like it was almost born out of like a joke. In the sense that there were people that would come on the show. And by the way, I don't know if there was ever

an official title like you are a friend of, but I felt like in the early years of the housewives, there are people who would just sort of be repeatedly come on 'cause they were actually friends of someone. - Like Marlo was like a friend of,

like one of our official friends of Atlanta.

- Yeah, so they would always be like on the caron,

like this is also a friend of someone so, and so you always see someone like, oh, they're a friend of, and so I think almost like friend of became, in my, what I seem to remember is that sort of was like a fan thing, oh, she's a friend of,

and then eventually it seemed like friend of became like an official position, which was very interesting. I don't know, maybe someone who knows on the Bravo and if it was a codified position, or if it was just something that sort of evolved out

of like the friend thing. But like now it's like friend of is like an official title, and it's like a role that you have. - You're saying Marlo used to be, yeah, but did she make a friend?

- Did she take pictures, like opening credits? - I can't remember.

that's the start of the true official, when the friend takes the photos. - Yeah, I took photos with the cast, but I'm not in the cast photo, obviously. - You have your individual, yeah, I have my individual.

- Yeah, I'm gonna say something to Miami.

“I'm happy you said that because I think the audience”

watches that cast as a total ensemble. - 100%. - But I think there's a lot of like bad blood. - Oh, I know.

- I know, that's why they can never,

that's why they're on pause right now, they can't get, they can't always get it together. - They go deep on that so, they can't get, they can't get, they can't get, they can't always get it together. - They go deep on that, so,

of course, they care for that cast, particularly, because they all bring so much. So I kinda get it, like, I don't want to watch that show, I don't, I feel like they're all cast members. - Yeah, so it's unfair, yeah, it's unfair,

if you're gonna use me in half of the show, and every story, like Audrey Allen, every story lines about Audrey Allen, every fight's about Audrey Allen, but she's still a friend of,

and I would imagine that that affects how you're paid and, you know, obviously how you're promoted and stuff. - So that's not fair when they know that they can just kind of keep you on the back burner like that, and still use every bit of footage of you.

- Exactly, I guess there's other two perspectives of it. One is, like, hey, I'm a friend of, and I'm carrying so much for the show, but I'm only a friend of, or the other side of, like, oh, this is great, because I get to check in

and do all the cool stuff, but I don't have to have cameras in my house for like six months. - Yeah, so the latter is me. I don't do a lot of heavy lifting on the show. I don't have to bring my man on, bring my kid on, bring my mom,

sister, I don't have to do all of those things. I don't have to have a storyline, I don't have to. I can just show up and just be a part of-- - I think that's great. - Which is great for me, because I, you know,

I did it, done it, got the t-shirt, I get it. I know what it feels like to be a housewife and it feels like to be a consistent housewife for a decade, like, I don't have anything to prove when it comes to that.

For me, it works best because I can really focus on other stuff and, you know-- - But that's 'cause you have a lot of other stuff.

“- I think there's a lot of people that want to be the full time”

because that's their primary, and to be a does so much, like Kathy, and actually I just watch his interview that, Tilly, I didn't realize Tilly they offered her full time, the first these, they asked her to pick. And then she said, Kathy said, no, be a friend.

It's so much better.

So the three of you are like, you've always promoted

the friend up, like it's such a good space for you. And where I don't, I don't, I think everyone depends on where they're at and their careers and their lives and what they want to show, it depends, right? - It's probably hard for Audriana and Marisol

'cause they were full housewives and maybe, like, when the show came back, that they were sort of, like, friend of, like, I don't know, I guess everything just has a different context based on, like, yeah, like you said, where you are, but also where maybe you're,

what your relationship with that, the show always traditionally has been, I guess it could be really-- - Yeah, I don't know why they're not housewives. - They should be. - I mean, if they're gonna give, as much as seems like

they're giving, they have all the story, then that I don't get, like, I'm not giving a big story and be in a friend. Like, I'm just giving what I'm giving and having a good time. - But that being said, like, I don't know if I necessarily need to delve into Marisol's personal life.

Like, I'm actually happy with her in that lane as a housewife. Like, I'm a, as a friend of, like, I don't need, I don't need to know what Marisol needs her up to.

“And honestly, I'm fine with having Audriana come in.”

I don't need to see the rest of her world. Maybe she really wants to show her world, but like, I'm good, honestly. I like them coming in as agitators. And then we don't have to know anything more. - Right.

- Okay, before we started, before I have so many questions here, is what can you do with Cindy's voice? (laughs) - Cindy's voice. - Okay.

- How do we, so I'm trying to-- - I'm trying to-- (laughs) - 'Cause she gets kind of mad, and then she'll start, she'll start a sentence, and then finish a sentence really fast, so she'll be like, "I can't believe we're the store like that." (laughs) - It is kind of breakfast.

- Let's do it. - Yeah, let's like, sometimes-- - You'll be talking normal, but then you'll just be like, "Ready to finish the sentence." - Yeah. - So we went here and we went there.

- I'm not really sure I have time to stand and check out on one. (laughs) - I know the end of the end of the round. - I know the end of the round. - Yeah, it's like a one breath.

- But if I'm mad, if I'm 50 cent, if I'm activated, then it's more of it than I get really articulate, like, "Well, yeah." - Okay, to be clear, first of all, every letter that not let me start here. - We usually find some random thing, and we just, like, this will be the thing that we'll do. Like, when it was 50 cent, it was like, "I feel like mine, it wasn't there like a season where we turned everything into 50 cent." It was like, like, your car was like, "I don't know my 50 crew. I don't know what, I don't know what, we have it."

- A lot of it with Cynthia is just stuff that you talk about on the show, more than in personation, like counter-tops. - You love counter-tops.

- It's been, like, that's what you do when we always go out for counter-tops.

- Yeah, yeah, this is brew. That was the thing. - What are you talking about? This is the bus, but let's have a Peter's brew. - That was something that we really latch onto many years ago when Peter's brew was, when Peter's brew was, like, Peter's brew.

Like, his Peter's got to have come with a coffee. - And Peter's business would just be like, "Okay, I found the place. I found the place. It's under a free way. It's under a free way. He's like, "Look at this view." And you're like, "It's an underpass. It's amazing." - Get an underpass.

- Yeah, but we, to this day, say, "Peter's brew all the time. That's one of our favorite things."

“But yeah, I think, like, during the chill years, we would make a lot of, like, since chill with the combination of, like, Cynthia, oh, yeah, that was so.”

- So we would do a lot of, like, chill, courtroom, and chill, really. We're like, "Chacheer." - Yeah, I may have already done it on social media with the whole chill. - No, but it was going to get us a joke. - Yeah, but I think our impersonation with you is more just, like, your idiocying-cratic, like, moments, like-

- My low-synthyism. - Yeah, but, you know, the thing is, it's like, sometimes we were saying before that sometimes it takes years for us to be like, "Oh, this is the way into that impersonation." Like, we covered Shazasanset from the very, very beginning.

And we never really had, like, a super-defined G.G. impersonation.

I was only this year when we were watching the Valley Persians style that we realized that when G.G. talks, she sort of has a shaky voice. - Yes. - And someone were like, "Hi, I'm G.G. and I'm dangerous. Watch out. I love knives." - And we both are doing it. I like, "Well, you think you're gonna tell me something that I don't know." "You better watch your ass bitch because I'm coming." - And it'll just be, like, at a calm dinner, you know, they're like, "Do you like anything to eat?"

"Would you like anything to eat?" "You bitch? Come back here with that. Come back here with the knife and see what happens to you." - I'm so angry right now. Watch out. I might pop off on you because I like knives. But I've always known that about G.G.G's voice. - Yeah. - It's like this. It's like, each sound, it's like, she's like,

she's like sick or something and they're like, "It's very breathy and but nervous at the same time." - Yeah, it's like she's like, "Come in and roll a coaster." - I'm so mad, but we're going so mad at this. - Wait, can you guys do Reza? - Where's Reza? - Reza can do Reza. - Come on. That's so Persian.

That's like the widest girl thing that you could possibly ask me to do right now. Like, "Bitch, please step on."

- So you always said, "When Reza did stand up on Chaza Sunset and he was like,

"Bitch is be driving so slowly. Have you ever noticed Asian bitches drive slow?" - Like, that was his little routine. He was like, "Asian bitches be driving slow." And we're like, "What is this? The entire thing." And so, and then our favorite is when he cries, he's like, "I am just so sad because I still haven't met MJ's baby." And I really want to meet him baby, Chans.

- Yeah. - Oh, right, guys, good.

“- Who do you guys love to do in hate today? Who do people hate?”

When they probably just don't do any, what do they hate to do? - Of course you need a feeling. - Oh, yeah, how do we do in hate today? - Okay, okay, so I want the hate. I mean, is there anyone that we hate? Usually the ones that we hate, I don't know, I'm trying to think the ones that we hate. They're definitely like a lot, we love. Like, I love doing Ramona singer.

- Oh, do her. - Ramona singer, whoa, I can't believe it. Here I am on humble track with Cynthia, Crystal, very excited. - Good. - Park it tight, you know? - You know what? Stim-tip. Like, you're a model, but you look old and I look young. I don't understand how that works. - What they love her? - But all the New York house.

- You didn't have to do it all the time. - No, we love Countess Lewann. - I was gonna say. - Can we just, Lewann, hello and welcome to my gallery. I'm here to sing a song, hit a pause.

“What would you do if I turn 32, that I sang a song, line? What's the rest of the line?”

- Ram Beverly Hills, we enjoy doing Jennifer Telly a lot. - Now you're, you're satin when it's funny. - What are you here to satin and do satin? - Some would just speak in a satin accent and be like, "Let the mouse go." - Make it to the setting, also hiss away, pause in between her words, get her cross. Like, she talks like she's constantly being stopped and started in and really like.

- Okay, I always wonder if she does that to get a longer moment, you know?

- I was like, because like actors, they kind of delay their lines to get more airtime. - I shouldn't be able to do that. I'm always like, "Yeah, so she does it." It's like, I wonder if it's like, I mean, what about the rate, the rate, the rate?

to reads that are like wildly different, but we both do them. And they both sort of like captured different part. Like Ronny's the read, well Ronny's read is obviously legendary. It's just craziness. - Well, usually you just start off with the accent like she kind of does it.

- By the end of it, you're going to break it, you're gonna break it, you're gonna break it. - I don't know, a lot of them don't really sound like them at all. We just kind of make it a muppet ship. - Yeah, I love it. - But when I do to read, I just focus on, first of all, I love how she was a G.

She's always like having a revelation in no-persons.

“And I thought to myself, G, why isn't PK here right now?”

And I thought, if you're gonna talk to me like that way, Kyle, I'm not gonna be happy about it, one, I don't talk. (laughing) - When do you guys started your podcast? Is this what you guys are doing?

- How did you guys come together? - We were bloggers back in the 2000s, and I basically got hired to host a web show about the real house wise, 'cause I was blogging about the real house wise a lot. - And when you're blogging, are you getting paid?

Why do you do it? - Why would you do such a terrible thing? - Yeah, why would you do it? - Actually at one point I was. And so I basically got hired to this web show,

talking about the real housewives, I was called Housewife Ho-Down, and I would bring Ronnie on, 'cause I knew Ronnie, and he was super funny, and we also had a third friend named Matt, and I just sort of bring people on,

and we always had a really good chemistry.

And then the web, the network just folded, and we were like, well, we should find doing this, let's do a podcast to promote our blog. So we started doing it, and then beginning was more Gabby, it was more like, you know, we just sort of talk generally

about all the shows, but at the more we started to do it, the more we started doing voices, and started getting more and more granular, 'cause the audience always is like, oh, you forgot this part, we forgot that part. So we always are like, oh, we can't forget a part,

because we never want to let anyone down, and then eventually got to a point where like, it's like, and then she put down a coffee up. Can you believe that that coffee got to put down,

“and that's why they take two hours to go through like crazy.”

- Yeah, I feel like you guys read the entire transcript of an episode. - Yeah, sometimes, I mean, we shouldn't be doing Matt, like we should be partly doing the thing and partly talking about it is the goal, but sometimes we just go through it, 'cause it's so much fun to do a little bit.

- Oh, I love it, I think it's so good. - But to answer a why we would do it for free, I mean, listen, when you're trying to make it in this business, you're doing shit for free all the time. I mean, I was waiting tables, I was doing improv every night,

and that's free, you know, I wasn't getting paid to do that, and then I was blogging, that was free. And I did that 'cause it was just such a fun way to get out comedy, you know, 'cause we were right, they were blogs, but they were like what we do now, where we just rag

on every little thing that comes up, you know, like the teapot in the background. And I thought that was so much fun. And then the podcast we did for free for years, we didn't make money doing that for a long time.

So they just always say, do what you want or do what you love,

and the money will follow. And I always thought that was bullshit, 'cause it took for, it took years and years, but it ended up working out. - We're only like the year and so I love to hear the stories

of like, you know, 'cause you guys are like,

“he's like successful now, but how many years has it been?”

- 14 years. - 14 years. - Our podcast is a freshman in high school. And I'll see it's what I want to say. - Okay, with the name, I know where the inspiration for the main page. - This is our future in 14 years.

- Yeah, I know. - You know what I'm looking for? - I know, we got a good one. - Well, we got a good one. - We got a good one. - We got a good one. - We got a good one. - Well, wait a minute. - I don't remember what was the name.

- I don't know, it was one of us. We were just making up puns or whatever. - Ben, we came up with the name, Ben. - It's so fun. - It was me, thank you. - Advertisals will be like, wait a second.

- But-- - Yeah. - But-- - And also with Bravo is a problem for-- - Oh, I was wondering about that. - For a while, they thought that we were adversaries. Like, they'd be hated them and they were saying that they were crap.

And then like, they had like a moment, I don't know when, but maybe like 2017 or 2018, it started to realize the role that podcasts have in the community and community building with their shows. And it sort of had a light bulb moment.

And once they had that light bulb moment, it's really been a wonderful sort of relationship we have with them, because they understand that like, we're the voice of the fans. And no matter how critical we're being, we ultimately, it comes from like a de-place of love,

'cause we love these shows. - Yeah, sure. - And you can tell the difference between a podcast that does not like it's subject. That's just like punching down versus ones like, oh, we love the show. - Yeah.

- But we're also a show about like this is, the vibe we try to have is the vibe of when you're sitting with your friend and you're watching the show together. And you're just talking shit as you watch the show. And like we're just trying to express that, it's like the pure fan vibe.

- Have you guys been on watch what happens like? - We were bartenders last year and then during the pandemic when they couldn't get any real celebrities, they zoomed us in as real guests. - Yeah, we were guests three times.

We were real guests three times so yeah, that was back in the day when they were like, "All right, who's willing to zoom in?" "I'm a real guest, we'll do it." - We'll do it. - We'll do it.

- We'll do it. - We'll do it. - Yes. - Yeah. - You know how they give you printed cards on the show. They're a great disagree. So they'd be like, "Okay, get a marker and just write a green

- There was like, "I had to slum it." They had to put a bed of put podcasters on. But they were like seriously, it's been really cool seeing them sort of change their vibe around the wall. And I think when you go to BravoCon,

you really can see that there's the fan community around Bravo is insane. - Insane. - It's insane and special, you know?

- It's incredible. - And all the other networks

are trying to copy and they can't. They have not been able to whatsoever. And it was the thing.

“Are you, is it surprising to see how many podcasts have popped up?”

I mean, you guys really were at the beginning. - I'd love it. I think that like, I really do have a mindset that a rising time lives all the boats. And I think that it's, I think the old way of looking at things would be like the network TV way,

which is like, if you're listening to, if you're watching this show, you're not watching that show. - Right. - So don't even mention the other podcasts, but I think actually the podcast is just bring around awareness to each other.

- And then also, ultimately, we're all the same. I mean, we're all, we don't do it the same way, but when you meet people who also like to talk crap about Bravo, I mean, if you're at a party and you don't know anybody, but you see one person

that talks Bravo, you know you're gonna be friends with that person. - Yeah. - It's very rare that you, you're like, oh my God, you watch Bravo too, I hate you.

You know, you always leave kind of friends.

- Yeah, yeah. - Are you guys ever tired of watching it? Did you ever get like, but teaked? - From watching Bravo, generally no, sometimes some of these shows have like really bad seasons. - What are your favorite shows?

What are your favorite shows on Bravo?

“- Am I trying to watch it? - Well, right in honestly,”

ladies and women right now are, it's like killing it. - It's good, right? - I was watching it last night. - At the Southern Hospitality, it was great. - Yeah. - In terms of shows generally that are on, I think, you know, Salt Lake City and Miami,

I think are the two strongest housewives at the moment, but that's always the thing. - I know, I'm excited, I really, actually really liked the last season of Atlanta, I did, and I'm not just saying that 'cause they're here, I did like it.

And I know, I love to tell them, like I love them all, but I think right now Salt Lake City and Miami are like, are really, really firing on all cylinders.

And shows I don't, I just really, I hate the McBee dynasty so much,

I hate it so much. - I hate it, I hate it. - Well, exactly. - Is that like, that's like the family? - It's like the Ford F1 of TV shows, and it's like, sorry, it's like the country, right now. You know, they're like, we run a, we run a farm or whatever.

- I like that one 'cause I get the Southern people, you know, and I like that. But to answer your question, yes, of course there's a lot of stuff that's just crap sometimes, and it comes out, we're like, oh God, why do we have to do this?

But we have so much fun doing whatever it is, and sometimes the worst shows are the most fun for us to do. - Yeah. - Like something like Salt Lake City

“can sometimes be hard because you have to kind of get”

every line and people are expecting it to be a certain way, and we don't get to kind of improvises much as we do. Whereas if it's something really stupid and boring, and nothing is happening, we can just talk, make up scenes that we're happy in,

and so sometimes that can be more fun. - Yeah, like, bloke and the thing is low-key, like, make me dinosaur, I think, is the worst show on Broadway. I think it's actually me. - What is it called? - It's just saying your innocence.

I think, but like, it's protecting the, don't even tell what they're made of. - I think it's like a badly made show to me, it's off-brand, and not just because it's about like farmers. It's not that, it's not that it's like more of a red state show.

It's just I think it's like, it's actually put together poorly. - Mm-hmm. - However, like, I get, like, despite the fact that I hate the show itself, I'm not gonna lie, I have a huge amount of fun recapping it with Ronny, because I hate it so much.

- Mm-hmm. - It's like the one show on Broadway that I just really let all my vitriol out on, you know? 'Cause like, if I like a show and they're having a bad season, sometimes I don't, I still love the show, so I don't want to like, be like, "But, you know, I'm like,

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Love it. Okay, so what do you guys feel about? Them saying that, well, whoever it was, I said it, I can't remember who said it. About taking housewives off of traders. Fuck that guy.

Yeah, of course. Right, great.

So if anything, I think they need in all housewives traders.

But I think that the housewives are so deluded on traders and not deluded but diluted. And that they don't, that everyone's trying to behave.

“Like, you have to rinda on a show where she doesn't tell anybody off.”

Like, what is the point? You know, I demand my money back. And you have Candace. They're like, well, Candace is acting up towards Rob. Candace is nothing.

Like, have you ever seen Patonoma? Candace was on her best behavior. I mean, Caroline Stambury said two words. I mean, I think it really has to be other housewives for you guys to really let your freak flag fly.

Because you're trying to behave yourselves around like all the serious people. Yeah. I also get very fired up about this because I think that that article had like, had a lot of misogyny going through it.

The same author wrote a piece a few weeks earlier in the season. That was praising like Rob and Colton for being great villains. But then like the housewives. Oh, they have too much like they're just there to be famous. And they're just there to start social media arguments.

Like, that's so obnoxious. If that's such a reductive way to look at it, I don't believe that they're just there.

“Well, I think everyone, when you're playing that,”

you want to play the game, you want to win. Yes. I think that's like everybody's also there on TV. They're all real good. Exactly.

Like, what are the love island people there to help humanity? Yeah, they're there to be famous too. And the real housewives, because we know they have personality. Like, real housewives, the strong point is personality. So what we, as viewers, are excited about is when everyone gets the round table

and talks and clashes. And we're excited because we know that if anyone can defend themselves, I hopefully, it's a real housewives. Because housewives are quick and they have the experience of reunion. So it's like a very exciting thing to see.

So then just like, like, sure, people on survivor, maybe quote unquote good at strategy. Although, are they good at strategy? And I think that, by the way, I think that what Ronnie said is very true, that a lot of housewives seem to tone themselves down

because they don't want to stick out and be murdered. I guess the housewives are getting murdered anyway, because it's been two years in a row where there's this suddenly like this boogey man about the housewives. So I say, be yourselves because if you're going to get murdered anyway,

at least like, be true to yourself. And what I don't want to hear from anyone is like, "Oh, is the housewife application of the traders? Who do you think you are? You're on peacock, because this is the land of the housewives.

It's not a bad thing to be actually entertaining." And I just think that when people talk in general, like, "Oh, this is like the housewives." And so condescending, like, it's women communicating with each other. And there's nothing wrong with it.

There's nothing wrong with the houseification of anything. Traders are beyond. Yeah, I mean, it's exposure. Of course. But the exposure alone on traders is like,

insane at this point. It's such a career booster. Like, even if you're doing great, I mean, you're just like, yeah, get to be getting all these great brand deals and stuff out.

And then if you're not doing good, it will, you know, if you do well on the show,

it can really revive, you know, your little TV presenter. Lisa Rina right now. Yeah. Like, I can't do anything from the video. Oh, she wrote some of the ashes.

She really did. A lot of us, like, the reputation fixer. I mean, let's did the same thing for Fadra. You know, Fadra will, like, people wouldn't touch Fadra with the 10-foot pole, and then they were like,

"Oh, my God, they dropped it away." And she's been left, and all the way to the bank, every sense, like, you know. But I think I like trader unions. It doesn't work to me, the reunions.

You're fine. It's like, it just feels like, what's the point? Because the housewives, that's where they really shine. That's where you really see them, and I'm down. Yeah.

Because they don't have anyone to spar with. Yeah, well, that's fair. It just falls flat. Yeah, and I just, like, when people complained about the reunion, some people said, like, the reunion was,

like, too housewivesy this year. I was like, did you see the previous traders' reunions? They were fighting boring. Like, thank God for Porsche. I just taking over once you got out there.

Porsche was only on one episode, and she was a whole reunion.

“Yeah, it's, you know, that's how much you need them.”

I hope they bring her back. They should bring her back because, like, I do think, like, during the they brought back, and we were all expecting, like, okay, during just going to pop off on people.

And maybe if during the we're on the hot seat, if she was being accused, falsely, she would have. But she was pretty tame. But I don't, I think Porsche would come back on, and she would just, like, they will bring her back.

Yeah, because I was, I was really, it was too bad too. Yeah, we all were. But during the, I think it was too obvious. But when they brought her back, she was a faithful. It was just too obvious.

Well, I think also she was, she also controlled herself, because the first time around, she got mad at someone because they had dinner. She said, you're like, okay, you had dinner. You think you're really great, because you had dinner before

and I was out there on that raft, and I think, and she got, you know, busted. Murdered. And so this time, I think she was trying to, like, keep her cart closer. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

So that's what I want to jump, Zach, is the ultimate reality superstar. I think one of the coolest things about it is, I think that people can get grouped into the housewives and the gamers. But you can see a housewife like Fadreins, applying this, like, really in strategic game,

and then you'll have a gamer, like, Carolyn, for example,

is like this amazing character.

Yeah.

“And I really think that, like, the key to do it is just,”

not to have, like, all the gamers be, like, these boring, same exact character, and all the housewives being just drama. Yeah, that's an excellent point, because you know what, what I loved about season two was how you had this, like, I think Fadre, you know, poverty, you had Sandra, they were all kind of together.

And then, yeah, it was cool that Carolyn was a gamer, but she was on the outs of the gamer, and I'm kind of, like, ready. Can we, like, put down the swords, the gamers versus the housewives? Because they pick each other off, and then you wind up with, like, boring people, like, mark ballas.

I think they should do, instead of even having it be gamers, housewives, and then, a bunch of other random people, they should do gamers, housewives, and drag race people, and just make it all even, like, put six housewives, six gamers, six drag race drag queens, and then kind of even it out and watch it fly that way, because you'd naturally have the alliances,

and then just watch them all go, or even just housewives. Yeah, but then all the people from drag race would be reading, like, like, they could read better than housewives. That's why we lighten up and they round table. Housewives learn from drag queens and vice versa.

Would you guys do traders? You know, if I didn't have to do the challenges, like, I don't want to run up that bad. I don't want to run up a hill. I don't want to bump into it on my head. I don't want to be in a coffin.

If I could just, well, first of all, I would never last,

because I play a bunch of these games with my, I'm, I'm a board game nerd, and I play all these games all the time. Tell them, board games. Well, Cynthia, I will bring you into the, I'll bring you into the hobby, if you want, because that would be a major coup to get a supermodel into the board game.

[LAUGHTER] And, um, like, what, what board games? Like, it'll learn. You don't even, you don't even, it's, it gets crazy. Like, well, I started with Katan. Okay.

And then now I have, like, Max, like, that. Oh, yeah, it's great. Yeah. And now I have, like, 200 board games. I have games that will last 13 hours, and there's, like, games that are out of space, games that take this,

of trains, it's like, all these crazy, it's party games, word games. And you love out in the middle of the game? Like, like, a middle mid game, do you leave them out? Do you finish that and put it away?

Usually, we finish it. There's some games where I've left that on the table. Like, basically, if my boyfriends, like, out of town, I'll be like, guys, we can leave this out, and we'll, but, like, when he's in town, I don't want to be like, hey, Dom, you, uh, can't sit at the, at the table today's at breakfast, because there's a board game set up.

'Cause no, actually, exactly. Yeah. But one of the games that I play a lot of, are these, they're called social deduction games.

And every time I play them, everyone always thinks I'm a bad guy.

Because I have a thing where, like, my right eyebrow goes up all the time. I'm always like, doing a very suspicious face. And then, I don't know. I guess there's something about my personality that I always seem sneaky. So, people always think I'm sneaky. Well, 'cause also, once we start playing the game,

I'm very much the type of person that says,

“"You should watch out for that person, because no one's paying attention."”

And whenever you're that person in the game, you're like, the title tail, and then everyone's like, "You're guilty." And I'm like, "No, I'm just trying to point out." This person's a traitor, you know?

Right, are you as cool?

I would play, I would play, but I feel like I would be, um,

I would think I'm a traitor. Wouldn't, you know? No, Ronnie would win. Everyone loves Ronnie. No, they'd get rid of me in two seconds. So, my vibe that I give out is, like, sneaky.

Also, I have resting bitch face. I've noticed that. You do, actually. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. I really do.

And I'm like, "I'm proud of myself, but you do."

“I do, and I think it really affects my interpersonal relationships with people.”

And I, like, don't know how to get rid of it. Like, I don't know what's going on here. A hundred percent. I once saw myself. And, I don't feel like we had all of that yet.

I saw myself on camera once, and I was thinking that I was, like, smiling, warmly. And my face was like this. And I thought I was giving just the warmest little smile. I was like, "I don't, I don't have resting bitch face, but I've been told that I look

unapproachable and I'm so approachable." Yeah. Do I look unapproachable? Yeah. No, I look unapproachable.

I think because you're so gorgeous, maybe.

“I think a lot of people are just intimidated by gorgeousness, you know?”

It's just your very striking. You're like, "Okay, I, I receive that."

I mean, you're always smiling.

You have an open face. I think like where you're smiling and I don't think you look bitchy. I just think you're just so hot that people are like You know everyone thinks that hot people are always thinking that everyone else is like so Talk to me because I'm talking to other hot people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't see walks around thinking that like everyone's ugly Like yeah, I'm a super maro model. That person's ugly. We talk about weight

You guys talk about weight and stuff on your show and also your women. So I would assume you do and we're gay So of course we talk about it all the time Yeah, and you know when you're like really trying to lose weight and you've lost five pounds and then suddenly You feel like you've lost five thousand pounds Yeah, you're at a crosswalk and it's you're just like well, I lost five pounds. Why can't you?

Like I'll still be 300 pounds live in my mind. I'm like whatever guys. It's a tick no effort I love I moved your fake bang I still have hair Those memes like when the girls like it's like pre way 181 current weight

180.2 and she's like she like gets behind like the bowl like

“You can't see me, but you have to have a mic on”

I lost a half a pound. Yeah, you know, wait, you know what no one asks you or maybe they do. We just don't listen to them About your personal life. Okay, because all we talk about is like funny funny funny. Yeah, is it funny is it fun? Is it good? Is it? Yeah, you're talking about your man I love my personal life. Okay, I'm very happy with it. I love my man. I actually I forgot I was gonna What's your sign? I'm a Sagittarius. What's your man sign? I think Gemini. Oh, is that I just said that because I knew she would do that

I'm in How long you guys been together. What does he do? We've been together for coming up on 12 years he is a choreographer and he started off as a dancer and that was a choreographer He choreographic great cat speed on Broadway and he does a lot of stuff with, you know

He works with like a lot of musicians like he worked a lot with Mariah and Janet and King and people like that. So he is he's killing it So I a door him and I was I forgot I was gonna actually bring him I would be like, hey, Dom, you want to come, but I just rush out the house I love my boyfriend home with the Cynthia poster like

He's probably more than happy to be hanging out on the sofa. Um, did he watch shows with you? He does. Okay So you know, he like he loves Atlanta and Potomac He is not as much of a fan of like a summer house or a band of her brules because the him is just like a whole bunch of basic What people yeah, which is for the most part and but yeah, what's really cute is he told me? He has to travel a lot and he said that

When someone's when we're like a part helps put on bravo because it sounds like I'm there watching the show That's cute. Oh my gosh. How did you guys meet Tinder? Yeah, yeah, is that like the is like the best place to meet someone? Well, I think it just was like the classiest place in 2000 especially for back then yeah, because like I'm from my understanding with straight people Tinder is like what you used to hook up

Okay, but for gay people since there's already like Rinder Tinder was like very classy

It was basically like going to like

A ball in England It's like you meet you meet someone without your wiener out. Yeah, yeah, the one what about you? I'm not big on personal life. I I'm a dial owner My plan is to dial owns. I'm a Virgo. Oh Virgo Okay, and I'm very much a Virgo. August 25. Obviously. Okay. Yeah, I have a lot. I'm stereotypically a Virgo

My son is a Virgo. Oh, really. Yeah, what when is his birthday? He is September 13. Oh, okay. Yeah I don't know the difference on on a white I'm gonna tell me something interesting. Well, you have nothing

I've never seen someone smiling like that through their entire life and very young. I was like I'm doing that

She was a virgin or a Virgo a virgin but I just mean like the absence of a relationship always sounded so good to me And so that's just kind of how I roll. I've always been like that and I have a lot of friends So I go I'll go out with my friends and hang out and I have a dog love my dog I read a lot of books. What's on a dog? Just talk a lot of shit. Pitch a wall a mix. Okay Hit your wall a mix. What is that? It's crazy. We need to pitch a reference. He's the most

“interesting kid. That's not a good representative. What is his name? He's crazy. Bealer. Can you see him?”

Oh, he looks like a mix of a people. He has one pitball I went to a while. And how did you guys meet like their comedy? They were bloggers. They were bloggers. They were blogging. Yeah, I auditioned for his side. I thought his side was so funny. I was waiting tables and a girl was like Hey, I read the site called TV Gazem and the humor is just so mean and shitty. I think you'd really like it And I was like, oh my god, it is. And so I would read it every day before work. Like after I cleaned

tables or whatever. And then they had auditions. And they were like, you want to work really hard

for free? You know, it's like sure. And so I auditioned and then yeah. That's amazing. I was full

time black. I had come to LA to be a writer and things were like not quite happening just yet. So my roommate at the time was like, let's sort of blog. I was like, what's a blog? And he was a tech guy. So he wanted to play with like blog tech and I was like, okay, well, write about reality TV or whatever. And then like somehow like I got into the lane of blogging. And I was, I'm not doing that. And then the blog got really, really big. And so then we were like, we actually went up getting

bought out. And so then I was literally full time blogging. And that's when our supervisors were like, well, you guys have to bring out more writers. And then that's where Ronny Kims is the picture. So we were blogging. And even then we didn't know each other that well. We just viewed, you know, hang out once in a while. But then once I got that web show, that's how it's like, let me bring Ronny on and see how that goes. That's awesome. Yeah. And now we talk like literally every single

day. And that was like 18 years ago. Yeah, that was a long time. I mean, you feel like 18 years now.

“I think it's actually closer to 20. Would you guys ever do a part about something else?”

Yeah, for sure. Like what else you guys interested in? We're interested in making fun of everything. I don't even think it means what we're interested. We, one of our favorite things to do as a bonus episode is to sit in an airport and just record on our phones and talk about all the people that are passing by. Yeah. So we'll like make kind of make fun of them. But make up stories about their lives and stuff like that. So really anything. One of our favorite segments is making fun of fish

for the low deck. So yeah, would you something on below deck down under called the fish report? Because they show a lot of stock footage of fish. So we will compile all the footage. Well, it was time for the fish report. And we go through every fish. Well, I really like, I like the way that one's smiling. It's like, I want to just go into a problem or something like that. And we do it for like, we go on and on and on. And people really like it.

And in fact, when we were at Southwest, we didn't appearance or TikTok radio. And so we sat

down and the very first question was, so tell us about the fish report. We're like, really,

like, we're going to open about the fish report. Okay. But yeah, we'll really talk about anything. One time, one of the craziest things we did was we were in Kansas because we go on tour a lot. And we're in Kansas. And we're in our hotel. And we decided to put the news on mute. And maybe we just like talk over the news. We just pretend love that. We were doing whatever they were saying. And so it was this 15 minute thing that we did that was the local news. And it was so bizarre.

And every now and then we go, I'll go back and watch it. And it's like, it's strange what we're saying. But it was actually like lap out loud hilarious. I'm like, I would love to do something like that. I really want to say something about the tour stuff because we want to do some live shows.

“Like, how far into the podcasting journey where you guys and before you start doing tours?”

It was 2017. So at that point, Ronnie, what was that? That's, that's five years. There's only like five years. But I'm not sure. I felt like about five years now. And we, I mean, all of it's just sounded so ridiculous to me. First podcasting sounded ridiculous. Because I was like, people have to listen on an iPod or their computer. Like, who's going to listen to this? You know, because we didn't have iPhones back then. And then that turned out to be

really fun. And then the tour thing, I said, who's going to pay to hear something that they can hear for free? Why would they do that? But they were like, no, just come to New York and do it at this comedy club. And so we said, okay, we say yes to everything. Yeah. First of all, we'll do literally anything. That would explain why you guys are here. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You guys agree quickly to the end by it.

it sold out in an hour. And we were like, what? And so we went and we went into the room and everybody was cheering and it was just crazy. And you know, I'm in comedy. So to have an audience, I didn't, you don't hear people when you're doing it. And back then there wasn't really social media like there is now. So we didn't know really. I don't think we had any idea. And that was

“the first time I thought, oh, wow, let's do it. Let's do this every day. How many of us do it now?”

So nowadays, what we'll do is usually like once a year, once every like, you're in a half, we will do about like 18 cities or so. Oh, it's just like two per weekend and usually like twice a month. So usually spread there for like two or three months. But what was crazy about the whole experience is that once we realized like, oh my goodness, we could like we can like pack a room.

We started going on tour pretty shortly after that. Like that was in July of 2017 that first gig.

And then we wound up doing like a show in Chicago shortly after and then Los Angeles. And you know, it'd be like 300 people, 400 people like, oh my God. And we started, um, we started going to these venues. And these venues have previously only ever had rockers, you know, what are the beetles and this crazy. You're like the modern day beetles. Yeah. And like at that time, you would like you could, you could now might be overstating the beetles with a resting bitch face. But, um, if you,

at that time like, you know, podcast was put on like a show like you would maybe like go to a theater and see a podcast or whatever a comedy club. But they weren't doing rock venues. And we were going to rock like rock venues. We're going to like the Bowery Ballroom in New York City. Yeah. Yeah. And these all these random places. And it was so funny because the crew would have been working

“there. They were like, these surly guys who like work in audio. Like, yeah. I think he pops in here.”

Well, you know, and they're all like, very serious. And they see us like two nice gay guys coming in. Like, um, where should we set? And they're like, so what you get did like what sort of amps do need you guys. And like, and like they're very serious. And then we do our show, we pack it. And he have all these people and they'll be screaming and they'll be rockists. And the

what the bar tab is always high at our shows. And it'll be over that come up to us. But it was actually

really funny man. That was like great. Like you got to come back. And so it was always fun to win over these like salty, you know, crew guys who didn't like it, but do this ship before. And then, you know, podcasts come in and they're down with it. I love that. So what's the secret sauce to podcasting successfully? Like, we're just a year in here. Humble brag. And I noticed with, some of the other podcasts, you know, some common, some go. Like, I think it's like, uh,

well, Jeff made fun of us today. Oh, yeah. He said, how did those, why did they let you up there? You clowns like, Oh, yeah. We were just like, how sweet. Yeah. I said, yeah, it was lips. He came in and sat there and watched us and like, oh, they're like, should have booked them. Yes, she had a shout-out by the way. I didn't feel cool. It was very validating, actually, to be invited to that. Oh, yeah. Oh, amazing. We were like, look at each other. Like, what the hell?

Yeah. Yeah. It was a little bit like your moment. Like, you know, when you guys hold out your first venue in New York. And we're so we're sitting up there and like, oh, maybe we are like,

I have to be a podcast. Yeah. I mean, look, you never know. You really have no idea because you

don't see the people. And so it's really tricky. And I think it's also kind of really cool because it keeps you humble in a way. You know, I don't know that I would have stayed humble. I don't know if I would stay humble if I didn't have the silence every day. I mean, we have each other to make each other laugh. And that's our point. But if I had to think like, what is, what are other people thinking every minute of the day? I would have gone crazy. But I think the secret is really just

“being yourself and not giving a shit what people think. Like, you have to have an opinion. I think”

a lot of people are really afraid now, especially to say anything that's offensive. And, you know, you still have to have some rules. Like, you don't want to be racist. And you don't want to be sex. It's like there's some basic rules. It goes like this. It's a fun journey. Yeah. But it's harder than you think because people are more sensitive. So they'll take things that you think are innocuous. Sure. You know, it's kind of a tight row. But you do still have to find a way to just be yourself

and have an opinion in the future. And then also consistency of doing it all the time. And not worrying about how many people are listening and how many, you know, you can't worry about that. Because people will come back if they know that you're going to still be there. Yeah. You know, I think so much about podcasting. And I say this in actually the warmest best way is that you like, if there's a parasocial thing that happens. Like the best podcast, the ones that maybe you

like you're in a conversation with them, it's just that you haven't gotten a chance to talk yet. And like

“that's what a podcast should feel like. It should be actually very inviting and should at least”

a type of podcast that we do. Yeah. And I actually we've, as an all for of us, like a chatty podcast. And the way that you sort of develop that relationship with the audience is you must must must be consistent. Yeah. And yeah. And you just drop in and just you just do it and do it and do it and do it and do it and do it. And just let it grow. And it's the, I think what's hard is that we live in a time now where you have these instant success stories. You know, Amy Polar got us Amy, Amy Polar.

She puts out a show. And she has a huge amount of support behind it. Yeah. A huge amount of publicity. She's also a big star. She brings on other big stars. So it's an out of the box hit and it's huge. Yeah. But for a lot of people, you just have to just be there. You talk along and just know it's going to take a few years. If you're lucky, it won't. And it's kind of like just making it in Hollywood anyway. There are going to be some people who will show up and they get that pilot

and they get on that show and now they are star. And some people you plug away with a very long time. You just have to keep going forward. Take the wins where you can get them. South by Southwest.

A nice comment, a new advertiser, just go and go and go and go. And I always say like for our show,

brought talking provost and the guffin. That's the thing that like gets people to show up. But what people stay for is they just like hearing, riding, you know, chat and joke and have fun

“and have like a genuine relationship. So I think you just have to. Well honestly, I don't know why”

they stay. But I don't care because the enough people are there. You can't measure by any standard of success in anything else. As long as you have a couple hundred people to keep the lights on, that's all it really matters, you know. So yeah. I think I imagine what a challenge must be for you guys is that there are a lot of celebrity driven podcasts that come and go because it is hard and does take a long time. Yeah. It's a real job. It's a real job. And so people may be like,

okay, well, it's another celebrity podcast. So like for you guys, like, this is your, you just been in your first year, right? Yeah. So yeah. Like you're still in your infancy. You're also still finding your voice quite frankly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the first few episodes was we were like a hot as mess. Like we were like really talking over each other the whole time. We didn't like we didn't

know what we were doing. Yeah. I always still do that. Yeah. All right. Listen to us right now.

But I have to think of us as like the fourth wall show is that we talk about talking over each other. Like that was for like, uh, we don't know what we're doing. Sorry. Like let's talk over each other. We would just kind of in real time talk about it. You know, at least we cut each other off. Because sometimes I'll read the comments as like, Cynthia, I was cutting Chris off. Let her like finish talking about the freaking Birkin bag already before you asked like 300

questions. But I did notice. I have people that say that you cut me off all this. So it's like, all right. Well, yeah. Look, I just did it to you. Yeah. And it's got me off. But it's,

“but you know what, I think it's in those imperfections that where people are drawn to podcasts”

because, you know, shows on TV are so polished. And they're so edited. And that is the natural cadence of conversation. And people connect with that imperfection. So much there's a controversy going on right now because the comedian Jake Shane was interviewing people on the red carpet for the Oscars. And he, I guess, I didn't see this movie if I had like that would kick you. But I guess there's a kid in the character that has our fit. And he was like making a joke like, how annoying

was that kid in the movie, right? And like people were upset. And they were talking, but then they

started always talks over people. And then there were all these think pieces of like, this is why

influencers can't interview people because, but I was like, yes, I get that. But also what Jake Shane is, is he's being actually kind of real in the way that we would all banter and everything. So like the talking over, we shouldn't, it's not good to interrupt people. But it is also so real what we do that. But I also have a lot of say. So we're all talkers. And if you know, frankly, if Ben and I didn't interrupt each other, then the other one would not speak. I mean, we can go,

if I hear any kind of positive dead air, I'm going to keep going. Like all pause and then he won't say anything. So I'm like, okay, I'll launch into something else and then he'll talk. And we do that to each other all the time because we think there's dead air or something. What are you going to do? Or sometimes I think that Ron is going to appear yet, or maybe he thinks I'm coming to the period. And so I jump in. So like, we're, I'm always trying to anticipate. Yeah, but he doesn't

have been doing it for so long. Then you guys can kind of feel when, okay, he's landing the plane. Yeah, let me get ready to take off. And you with a guard. I would have been like, he has a lot of disasters. But you just do two full episodes today. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. But if I have a point that I really want to make, you know, sometimes I will just sort of jump in because I'm afraid he may pivot to the next point. So I'm like, oh, so I jump in and I always feel bad when I step in.

For me, I always like once I get a thought, like, I can't wait to say it because I'm going to

something else. I'm interested in it. I'm like, should I have something good to say? Five minutes ago,

but now I can't remember what it is, you know? Yeah, like my little dory. Yeah, I'm like, but this,

“this banter that you develop, the rhythm that is also part of the key to the successes.”

Because how many times have you turned on a bad podcast and the vibe is like, so did you watch real housewives last night? Yeah, I did. I thought it was good. Yeah, I thought it was good to you like, okay. Yeah, I had bad interviews with, yeah, there's some people who should I'll be podcast. I think also like, like, like, I'd also think they're when you were podcasting and quite frankly, when you quite frankly, when you're doing a live show, you also have to be

cognizant of the audience. You have to remember that, yes, you're talking, but you're also entertaining at the same time. You don't have to be fake. You don't have to be doing resatats, that's, but the reason why we are afraid of dead air is because we want it to be entertaining for people who are listening. And there are some podcasts that totally do well with that air that have a slower tempo, sort of, and PR vibe. But like, I think we're in pop culture. You want us sort of just,

I cannot imagine these guys on NPR. And you know, I've been trying to get on there for years. Every time the network is like, hey, so we'll, we'll tell them, stop trying to put us on other bravo things, because we already know all those people we do that. Like, put us on something different and they're like, well, like, what? NPR. No, my parents know, we are blocking you.

“You talk about every time I say my dad, my dad's like, you should have your people put you on”

weight weight, don't tell me. I was like, okay, we'll see. But like, actually it was funny, we went to this, this thing in Austin, this, this, I heard a word show. And it was just funny because they had a whole thing where they honor Terry Gross, who was a pioneer. She's been doing it for nearly 50 years, you know, fresh share and everything. And it just was funny that it's like, here's like Terry Gross. And, and now they're meant to watch what crap ends. I just was like,

it's like, we're not like, no, it's so many, I saw, you know, we ran into them at South 5 before the night before the word show. My friends started my discharge. And yeah, they won. Yeah, they won. And it's funny because they're like, kind of like my sons, like my kids. Uh-huh. And I was like, oh, be so great. We were on their path. Yes, but there are. What am I going to talk about? The war? They're new spotcasts. New spotcasts. Heck, I was on my plane and I walked

by and I said, great speech last night. And he goes, thank you. So I'm basically friends with

them. You're best Steve. Okay, now you guys can be on a challenge podcast. Aren't they brothers, those guys? You added the ones that are all brothers? Myself. Yeah, they give a good, well, only one brother was allowed to speech. So we felt really bad for the little brothers, because they didn't get to say anything. It's like, hello, your brothers are here too, sir, but he gave the whole speech. And he was all this brother. He takes over. He's going to, he's a, he spoke at the other one, too.

Yes, I started like a representative. He was really good. I was like, jealous. He's going to get stabbed by his other brothers. I don't know if he's ever read the Bible, but you got to let them talk sometimes. Yeah. I have some a breaking news, by the way. What? What? So as of 20 minutes ago, according to Variety, Bravo has hit pause on the real housewives of Miami. What? Oh, Tomatoes. I'm sorry. Let me tell you something. That was coming, guys. They've been, they've been

planning on it. So no, it's like Jersey is on pause. Now, Miami's on from an audience perspective. There was no reason to pause that show. From, I should say, from a wall of viewer. I know that their numbers were lower. Yeah. But that show was so good. And there's no reason why that show should be on pause. And Beverly Hills should be trundling along. I'm sorry. Like, it's just not right. Like, Beverly Hills is the money. It's numbers. I know. I get it. I get it. And it's also,

“are there numbers that low? Yeah. Apparently, there were. I think they're low. And it”

probably, because the cast is a seasoned cast. So they're probably paying them a lot. So it's like

their numbers. Because I always see that too, right? Like, well, this show isn't doing as well. But

that, you know, why are they still on? Well, they're brand new, and they're probably getting paid 2000 an episode. Right. So if the production costs is low, they can throw it up. They're getting some appetizers. I think Miami is an expensive show because those girls have been there forever. They're not going to be a little too far. Yeah. That was such a funny show. What a bummer. And you know, it. It also kind of proves, because they keep saying that life ratings don't matter anymore,

and that it's all about streaming. And nobody has access to streaming ratings. So we don't know what those are. But as you watch the, the numbers of these shows go down, people like, well, it doesn't matter because only streaming matters. But obviously it does. Yeah. Well, I know for Atlanta, like, our peak, how we perform on peacock really is a big deal. Like those numbers. You know what I'm saying? Like, not the live numbers anymore. But it's like all about because people, I think the numbers

peacock stuff apparently. Yeah. I think it's just hard in an audience, because you can, you can see the live numbers, but you can't see the streaming numbers that don't release those. And then when they do, it's so crazy how they tell, they're like, one billion minutes watched. Oh, whatever. What kind of math am I supposed to do to figure out what the hell you're saying? That's a bummer about Miami. Yeah. And you know what's crazy is so we just did the crap is, thank you for coming. And that's

all we have all these categories. And it's all voted on by our audience. And we have thousands of votes that come in. What are some of the categories? Well, there's obviously like things like best bravo show and best bravo celebrity, best villain, but we had mother of the year this year or like best professional journey or best DJ, we had this year. So it's all kind of like fun and

“to remember. That's quote, you know, the funniest lines and the worst things that are fun. We have one”

just called the worst. Most cringe, most cringe, and the Jill Zaryn went that. She was up against,

she was up against war and the economy. Yeah. She's still one. She's always impressed. Well,

either way. Either way, Miami and every category that Miami was in had like huge votes. Even when they didn't win, they were usually like second. Like so the our audience was definitely showing up for Miami. But I guess, you know, there's like a whole world of people who are more casual, bravo watch. I also think that there's a lot of shows to watch in general on TV. It's really, really hard to get people sort of like started on a show and Miami way back when kind of stumbled

out of the gate. And if you stumble out of the gate as a news TV show, even if you have every other season is amazing, I think it's hard to get people to buying and they're like, I just don't watch that one. And I think that like maybe that has always carried through with Miami. It's like, oh, I never watched that. And now all of that so many seasons to catch up on. I'm not going to. And I just think it's a shame. I think what happens is like, I used to watch Miami. But it was because it came later to me.

I always watched an order. So like I never finished getting to it. You know, and it's too bad because

it's such a great cast. I think they're all stars. Some cast do not have their very different kind of

“mix dynamic. But Miami to me is the cast of all stars. So like it's just that's why I was talking”

about the whole friend thing versus full-time. They all feel like full-time to me. So it's a bummer. But I do read the numbers are not strong. It's just so weird because other shows that have gone on pause, you know, like Dallas DC, which wasn't really paused, just ended. But Jersey right now won season, I think. Yeah. Like you can see why. But like with Miami, if you watch the show, there's like just to me, like nothing needs to be adjusted or fixed. As if you as just a viewer,

I'm like, this is in great shape. This is doing well. But what shall we do fix now? Beverly Hills, 100% is the number one show that has to be fixed. Like Dallas. How do you fix it? We need to have a cast shake up. It's a little bit too safe. Now are you saying that specifically for this last season or how do you feel that way for the past couple of seasons? Past couple of seasons. Past couple of seasons. You. Yeah. I think it's been a few seasons.

Yeah. I mean, I've enjoyed, like I thought last season I enjoyed more. I liked it. But I think that now there's so much stuff on Bravo that is firing on all cylinders. Then when you have a show that's just kind of feels a little blah, just feels like it feels like sometimes they need to be prodded a little bit. And that feels like everyone is holding up. I still really enjoy that show. But they don't have any truly hilarious things happening on that show. Like Rachel's a good anchor. I think they should

start with Rachel as an anchor. Kyle I think has had a great run. You know, we're not always

her biggest fans. But I think she's done a great job as a housewife for all the time. She's been on. But it's time. It's been 15 years. Like give it up. She's literally telling people on camera this season.

“Why are you talking about this on camera? You should not be discussing this on camera. That's bad.”

That is very bad when that's the leader of your show. So get rid of her. Keep Rachel. I think Sutton. She needs to go. She's not doing enough. And Eric and he's to be a friend of I think Eric will be very strict and stay. Keep the friends of keep Rachel and then bows are like bows as well. And then I think recast around those. You don't want to keep them in the end. I think Amanda's a good one hit wonder. Amanda's you know Beverly

holds great at bringing in one season people that they just beat up on the whole time and then get rid of them. Orange County's also great at that. And Orange County's doing it with previous cast members. Like every year they'll bring on one new previous cast member. They'll beat up on them the whole year and then they'll bring on another one. I know I think like maybe you maybe you guys as former housewife like sure and current friend of you have some perspectives on this.

up based or actually there's some truth to it. I always have this theory that if there's even just one

person I cast who is holding back and picking and choosing what they want to show that it kind of affects the whole cast. Because then it's like oh well they're not going to show that well why should I have to humiliate myself or subject this person to this situation these cameras or why should I put myself out like that? And I've always felt as a viewer that that comes across and that you can always tell when people are like okay I'm just going to put this out there versus a cast like old school

Rooney or Salt Lake City right now where they just they just put it all out there and and the

“audience really responds that do you feel like that is a theory that holds a whole's water or not?”

I think that an ensemble cast is like teen and everyone needs to be equally invested and if everybody's bringing it you have a high possibility for a hit season. If five people are carrying everything and two or not then it just doesn't work and you know if you're given your whole life and you're doing all the things and someone's not it does kind of break down the morale because you're like well I'm not going to keep doing all this if this person still can just be a part of this

and do the least and I'm doing the most so it's a win when we all like when everyone's going in I think for Atlanta whenever our best seasons I think was season six and we all just had so much going on and everybody we were just doing the most and that was definitely that's when it worked I thought like that actual cast was one of our strongest cast. Which season what was the main main story

lines on that season again? She's always everything blends together at a certain point. I'm like

is that pretty much scary islands like past New York Peter and I were like breaking down at that

“point for sure. I can't remember but it's the season that Greg and Peter got into like almost”

going to fight we were. Yeah it was a drama. Was that the pajamas? No that was always a season six helped me out there. Yeah this is Wikipedia just to be clear the women frequently clash with more while Burris becomes engaged her boyfriend Todd Tucker and Williams deals with her ongoing divorce from Cornell Stewart. Oh yeah course that was of course the second season. Can you a second season? Yeah but like I think with Beverly Hills for me is I do feel like they are picking and choosing

what they put out there and I just think it there. That was there they are. Yeah and so it just sets the tone right for us. The thing is I for me when what I put out there because I didn't have any sort of big dramatic thing. So then it was sort of like what am I going to bring out there? Like what am I going to like amplify? But other but the other girls so the ones that who had stuff that we kind of knew about yeah you sort of like even on the like a smaller scale like

dreat smoking. Right like she just constantly smoked but they were like we're not going to talk about it. They were like okay and they were like wait everyone paused she's going to smoke come

“is back in that's where that's why I think we wait for her a lot she's smoking. So then that's”

a certain god that's why she's smoking. So then it was like suddenly she just became like a smoker and everyone's like oh my god yeah and I was like oh and then I just remember like I would whisper to someone like why are we not being like no no don't talk about it but what's no I know she smokes I'm like okay except all 400 people here but like sort of that was indicative of the show like that kind of thing. Now you earlier said that you kept yourself smaller

because of this whole situation with Teddy and Kyle and didn't want to feel like oh you like you served and people would hit you or something like that. Do you think that if the overall tone of the show were different you might not have felt like that was an option for you to do? That's a great question I don't know because we're talking about holding back I mean you literally just told a story where you actually said you held back and you know like we that just comes

across in general on that show. I don't feel comfortable like I wasn't allowed the run way to say it because I maybe I shouldn't ask but that's also my personality some girls especially like the bigger house my personalities would have ate that up like oh my god she smokes and like I'm bringing it out. I was the type to ask someone next to be like are you gonna ask us to say that and like no no don't say that but so that person said to me don't do it too. So I'm the last of the group

to bring it out first just that's not because I was the newest one I'm always you know there

are being like you said it was like the one hit wonders everyone was the one hit wonder after me so it was like I was always new so I was like okay well that dated something wrong so yeah it's there is a sense of a sorority in it and like you're always the new girl and you're trying to

I was just trying to figure out so we don't talk about but also like she's a mom and she's a young

kid so maybe she's just going to talk about smoking but also like okay she's a mom you know obviously every show's different so we don't want Beverly Hills to be Salt Lake City but you also get the sense that like the work the workplace at Salt Lake City is kind of like now that you're here you've got to dive in and it sounds like that was not a tonal if you back you were receiving on Beverly Hills no it wasn't yeah it wasn't I think the

viewers pick up on that yeah it wasn't like you guys could hide stuff it was I think there was encouraging of bringing stuff out yeah but like something like that was so obviously hidden well the smoking I don't think it was so popular that she's smoking I think it was just that she was having that like breakdown in the car and so it was like here she is like smoking that cigarette

“assault pissed off in the car and I think that that's what they like because Doree is very guarded”

as well you know she would always she's always lying about and her most of her seasons I mean pecan her obviously as a viewer there there's obviously some kind of fraud or something going on they're living in all these houses nobody knows who owns these houses nobody knows where they're getting their money they can't be living like that off 10% of boy Georgian come for Christ's saying like it doesn't make sense he's got all these bankruptcies he's got all this stuff that

all this belagio millions of dollars in debt then she's coming out with all these businesses and not paying the people in the business is allegedly so there's all this going on where you're waiting

to see that house of cards fall down and she's always keeping it together and so when she finally

starts to lose it and she's just the car smoking I think that's why that became my iconic yeah you know it's so interesting how like when we talk about Beverly Hills and talk about Atlanta

“like with the stuff that we that gets exposed and revealed on Atlanta is basically crazy like”

it would be like a treat for someone to just expose that I smoke cigarettes on a list oh my god Cynthia Bailey smoke cigarettes like let's talk about that like that wouldn't even make the cut on Atlanta and that it's interesting that it's actually a big deal on Beverly Hills Atlanta that gets your ass on every little thing I mean they're like Kelly didn't pay her waffle rent yeah like they they ride like you can't breathe yes on your ass about everything and like the

smallest low-hanging fruit on Beverly Hills can be an actual right hot topic is crazy the whole season has been about oh my gosh did Amanda think that Doree shouldn't be talking badly about her ex-husband because it might affect the kids that is the entire season every episode some little off-hand comment that she made that's innocuous it's such a stupid comment has become the entire season they're just so offended by my it's so easy to go for her you know so easy to

focus on that some of my favorite real housewife seasons in general are when there is an innocuous comment that is like oh there's an impolite moment there's an infraction of the social group and it's a small thing and it builds and builds and then escalate and exposes the briffs and like that's those the best seasons they really have an arc but like when it's just as odd like it just feels like we're just fixating on one small detail and it's actually not building into anything bigger

or teaching us larger truths or like exposing things you're like oh and it's true like Atlanta

atomic Miami Salt Lake City Old School Rooney like people the fans are always saying like man

the way they the if any of those people were on if any of the people on Beverly Hills were on those shows that be eaten alive because I'm very aware I would get absolutely fucking destroyed well but I don't know I think it's like if you're on a different franchise maybe this crystal that we see in no now would be the crystal that we would get I see what you're just saying like right it's like the tone is allowing for all this exciting to go out there yeah the tone is allowing

“for a lot of almost like self-producing or whatever like that's what you're gonna get and like”

Beverly Hills still can have great seasons I have I really did enjoy last season quite a bit but I almost feel like it can very easily sort of grind to a halt in a way that the other franchises don't you know they are interesting I like your take thanks yeah I still enjoy Beverly Hills like even when it's boring I think it's still funny yeah I like I love Orange County last season too a lot of people are like it's Orange County I loved it I

will say I mean that's a thing I think that they know like there's a lot of discussion out there on the planet right online about you know collective we don't like this like this but they know what's going on you know either promote shows or pulling back they know with audience likes and I Beverly Hills still got a lot of you the numbers don't lie and the thing is that's Orange County you have someone like Tamara whether you lever hate or she is

gonna drive that story forward she's gonna make sure that it's gonna like she's gonna make people feel uncomfortable and she's gonna drive confrontation and not just for confrontation say she's just

no one really in the drive like Kyle is that she is the top and she's just not doing it and so

you know because Kyle's all thing is she just like did you really say that about someone did you hear that someone said that and it's just kind of like maybe she's as tired I would be tired 15 years but I don't think she ever was that I don't think that was ever her role it was interesting that like they just need to bring on a tamarot type personality to to do that you know and I'm

“saying I don't think that's what Kyle does and sudden so when sudden right now she's sudden”

brown but when something was sunstrak she kind of had that energy because she's like sunstrak hip like when she gets emotional she kind of can't control her emotions and she's like a little bit of like a she sort of goes off and I love that because it's this unpredictable thing that they all have to deal with and so they can't just be safe and polite but right now suns on but on her best behavior so now everyone there's nothing to really there's no

bees in their bonnets I've never heard of that what does that even mean to be in your bonnet like

“like making a nervous it's a southern saying like you've got to be in your bonning it's just you”

something is making a crazy we always talk about like sounds like that that don't make sense like she says everything like you know every say yeah I've heard of being well she's southern eh be in it be in your bonnet and it's like I guess something to make you I mean if there was a be in my bonnet it would be driving me crazy yeah right a sting in you there's something going to be crazy oh this has been lovely this has been lovely yeah I mean we're going it has to be

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