Boz St. John of RHOBH on Bravo, Career, Friendships and Love

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The one and only bows Saint John. Yay! Welcome to Juicy Scoop. Thank you so much. I'm very glad to be here.

I'm so glad you're here wearing a very sexy outfit. Do you think that's sexy? Yeah, they're going to think it's great. I think it's a great, it's a, a cute leather. Yes.

Strapless jumpsuit. Yes. And it's, you know, burgundy or ex-blood. Do you like the color? I like your hair.

A lot of like long glam hair going. Oh, girl. That's one thing. I love some hair. And I love a tight outfit.

“I mean, you, I don't, I was like, how much do you have to pack?”

How much, how many suitcases did you have for Italy? So now, here's the, oh, by the way, you guys, this is She's on Real House as probably else among the other things. I don't even, you guys said that anything. You said that either.

I mean, we were just going to get it for you. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So for a majority of my adult life in business and my career, I was running

in and out of airports, meetings, countries, well, and you can't be without like some luggage, right? Right. I can't lose luggage. You can't wait for baggage claim.

Right. And so I have perfected the art. I love only packing carry-ons for a long time. And that's with like suits and gowns and three different shoes and hair things and all that stuff.

And how would you just keep it all in like a black and white theme of clothes? So like, everything goes together. No. Actually, I wouldn't. Okay.

I would pack per the occasion. Like, everybody knows I'd love color, I love like outrageous outfits. And I did that in my corporate life, too, by the way. This is not just like a TV thing. Yeah.

The thing I might have done a video once about like, how I pack, because people always

curious about that, because what's the secret? What's the secret? Okay. Well, there's a big secret. The biggest thing I hate about travel and doing stand up in everything is packing.

Packing. Editing. And there's something about when I go on a trip, it's almost like, I like to order for a table. And I get very satisfied when everyone is satisfied and there's like, not all, there's

barely anything left over. I love when I go on a trip. And I'm like, oh my god, I wore everything, but two things. There's something about like, and but after all these years, I still suck at it.

“Well, I think there's one big secret, which will make people nervous, which is that you”

can only pack for each occasion. Like, there's no extra as extra. And that means people nervous, because I'm like, oh, what if a strap breaks or like, what do you think you're going to be like, no, you've got to decide, so the one thing for the one event, and then the one thing for the one dinner, and you know, like you just pack enough for the

time you're going to be gone, no extras, no backups, no ifs, oh, what if I feel differently when I get there? Good. Don't do that. Yeah, I packed.

And so now I do that. So for Italy, I packed for everything that I knew we're going to do. Yeah. No extras. I also feel like I not done that much European trouble when we went away.

A couple of years ago, and I was like, why did I bring so much stuff when I could have bought like this cheap little yellow dresses, which would have been totally cute for a night out. I was doing that feeling like, oh, I need this many dresses for this many nights out. Right.

I could have definitely packed less than this bought. I can't wait. It's like, I mean, and also look, I'm a very calendared person also. Yeah. So it's like, I know it's like, okay, look, we're going to go to dinner at this restaurant.

It's outside. It's rooftop. It's inside. It might be cold. I've already understood what's going to happen.

So I'm going to pack for that thing. So you don't use the style as so you do. I do sometimes, but most of the time I style myself. Yeah. Yeah.

And so, okay, let's start a little bit with your background, like, what was your childhood

“briefly, like, and then going to university, like, where was that all?”

Okay. So my parents are recently from Ghana in West Africa. My dad came to the US on a full bright scholarship.

Like, really, one in a hundred million chances, because he didn't go to middle school

or high school, didn't go to regular college. And he joined the Navy when he was 18. He was orphaned quite young, the Navy in America. The Navy in Ghana. Oh.

Yes.

the clarinet, which he taught himself. And he was playing for an American delegation. And one of the diplomats was like, wow, you're so talented.

He was first chair, and he's like, you're so talented, like, you know, where did you learn

to play? And my dad was kind of like, ah, nowhere.

“And he was like, oh, you should come to the America and like, study music.”

And my dad was like, what do you even mean? And so he told him to apply for the full bright, which is a very difficult scholarship to get. And so my dad applied, and came to the US and earned two PhDs. And when he came with his singular.

He was single when he came and then had, but he, you know, through friends and family and all, he was hooked up with my mother. Okay. And so they decided to get married and she moved to the US with him. But my dad is a pan-Africanist, like he really loves the continent.

And so when he was here for school, he knew he wanted to go back. A lot of times what happens to immigrants is they come to the US, the UK, Canada, wherever. And they stay. You know, they're just like, okay, I've made it. So what I'm saying here, my dad was like, no, I don't think so.

I was born six months before he graduated with the second PhD and we went right back

to Ghana. Oh, you did. Yeah. And so my dad, so even though I was born in the US, I do consider myself bicultural because a lot of my formative years were spent on the continent of Africa.

And then we finally moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado, when I was 12. So from six months to 12, you were, yeah, we moved around. I was in, we were in Nairobi, Kenya for a while. Since we together languages? Yes, yes, of course, yeah, my parents are multilingual.

I speak to, and so that well, three, technically. But what are the three? They're Ghanaian languages, tree and faunty. Oh, wow. And my mother only, she does not speak to me in English.

Oh, really? Yeah.

Which is hilarious because when I was 12, I mean, they, also, by the way, have always been

like African African, so even in Colorado Springs, like my little white girlfriends, would come over there, and my mom would be like, she'd just speak to them as if they were children. You know, she would not speak to me in English and expect them to respond to her, and she would feed them hot pepper soup, and like all kinds of, you know, Ghanaian dishes.

One of my friends, one of my best friends who actually made an appearance on the Real Housewives name of summer, summer, and I became like, instant friends when we were like 14. And summer is exactly what her name sounds like. Yeah.

You know, she's blush, that green eyes, she's tall, she's pretty, we're both on chileating together. You know, swimmer, like summer is summer, and her favorite dish is still one of my mother's Ghanaian dishes. And when she comes to visit, I'm gonna hot pepper soup does not end to me.

Oh, my God. It's delicious. I like stuff like that. Delicious.

“And so, were you guys religious, do you feel any church?”

Yeah. Well, my parents, this is such a complicated story, but my parents believe in native religions for most of their adult lives, but in the early 80s, I was a coup of the political government in Ghana. My dad was serving in the government at the time, was a minister.

And the government that took over, or the people who go through the government, put all of the ministers in jail in prison, political detention. Oh, my God. In fact, this was like the blip when we came to the US before we moved formally, was at my mom left the country with me, my two younger sisters, and she was pregnant with

my last sister, and we came to Washington, D.C., on political asylum. Oh, wow. And so, in prison, this is my dad's like, famous story, he says he prayed to God. He was like, look, if you get me out of this prison, because they were killing everybody. They were like, if you get me out of this prison, and I can reunite with my family, I will

become a Christian. Wow. How he was released, he came to the US, we all reunited in D.C., and he was like, we are now Christians. That's amazing.

That's how I became a Christian. Oh, I love that. That's so interesting. I did not understand all of that backstory, so I'm glad you shared it. So I don't think I've ever shared that before anywhere.

Oh, good. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad.

“My aunties would love that, honestly, because it's like that's so beautiful and interesting.”

And, you know, when you're not an immigrant, like I'm not an immigrant, but I have such great respect. My husband's dad came from like escaped Czechoslovakia, like World War II on it, and their stories just are like, and the first time I went to his Thanksgiving, and they all did this circle thing as, and thinking, being American, and I was kind of like, oh my god,

we just used to watch, like, oh my god, they're like, oh my god, so they're after that.

And I was like, that's the circle that's like, you're never not going to the circle.

“Yeah, so it's like, it's really beautiful.”

Yeah, yeah. I think about that a lot. So I want to know, so here you are, this corporate woman, you've done all these amazing things. When you were married to your husband. Yes. Now he has passed. Yes. And but were you guys together when he passed? No, you were

already separated when he passed. Oh, so what happened is that we got married in 2003.

And he wanted a family right away. I really didn't. I was on the corporate track, and

I was a hot shot, and I was like, absolutely not. This is going to slow me down. And so we agree that we wait five years. Okay, and to our marriage to try and have a family. Well, five years comes and I'm like, ah, how about another six years? And he's like, absolutely not. So I got pregnant. And unfortunately, I got very ill during my pregnancy, developed severe pre-eclampsia. And my daughter passed away on the day she was born. It was see. It's

still hard for me to articulate. Yeah. But it was maybe one of the most devastating things

“I've ever had. I honestly can't imagine. It's when that's when I've heard people say that”

because, you know, you go through the entire thing. Oh, my God. I'm a patient. And what do people say? And it's the whole thing of it. It's just my God. So sorry. It's so so terrible.

And I feel like that might have been the first fracture, you know, in our relationship

was Eve's death because while he didn't blame me, I felt like he blamed me. And I think that was, I think I made that up. You know, I mean, the passing of a child, you feel all kind of guilt. That is like one of the biggest things. Very few very few marriages can survive that. That was a happy one or the child is real or something. I now understand that. Yeah. But at the time, all you have is your grief. Yeah. You know? And I also was in a,

I think as a part of my grief, I was so desperate to become a mother after having argued for years that I didn't want to have you. No, I had experienced motherhood and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I must do it. And so I got pregnant three months after Eve had died. And I was miserable. The entire pregnancy one because I got sick again. And I was terrified. Um, too, because I had blamed myself and blamed my body for betraying

me. And so I wanted to do everything right. Then I went on bed rest at six months pregnant, like couldn't go to work, you know, feet up like actual bed rest. I had a friend that had to

“do that with her twins. And she said that she did things like what they say that you should”

do if you're like a prisoner of war. Yeah. Like you should have like a scheduled thing. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this for two hours for you to book for two hours. And I watch one TV show. Yeah. And I talked to someone on the phone from three to four because it is so hard, especially and she was a corporate woman too. So it's like really hard for like, it's on top of it. Like, I actually liked that analogy a lot ahead and I thought of that. Yeah. But it's like, you know,

the combined like boredom and fear and just irritation and then your body feels gross. Like, everything was awful. Yeah. And so I was not a very happy pregnant person. And Peter was also extra vigilant. It's what I would call it. You know what I mean? Like, don't eat that. You know, like, don't you think you should sleep a little bit more? Like, you know, maybe we should stand up. Not all the doctors that I shouldn't stand up. No, stand up for a minute. You just

been sitting all day. You know, so we were doing that. And so on top of the grief of losing Eve, now we're in this like high stress pregnancy, right? Then Leo is born and she's a preemie. And so she's in the NICU for like six weeks. Okay? And we're both insane. I am sitting at the like by her bedside or by her incubator from the time I give birth on this hard-ass wooden chair by the way. Peter has to go back to work. And so he did. He was an advertising also. So he has

to go back to work. And so I'm sitting there for 12 hours a day. He comes for two hours. You know, did she come out of the incubator today? How much did she eat? You know, we were just, so a year after she was born, we separated. And I was like, I can't, I can't do this. Because I don't, I don't want to be in this relationship anymore. But I didn't have the courage to say I wanted to divorce. I wanted him to come to the realization. So he, but he did move out.

So I'm like, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to be in a relationship. Okay. Okay. Let me get a boyfriend.

“I think you should get a girlfriend. And he's like, no, absolutely not. I'm like, no,”

but that's what we should do because we, let's test it out. Let's see if we like other people, then we know we shouldn't be together. If maybe we don't like other people, then we get back together. He says, no, no, no, no. Until I go over there one day to his apartment to drop off Leia on they see an ugly ass pair of shoes with a long-to-one man. I'm like, what a hell, she's a nice and I was pissed. But did you have your boyfriend? No, no, no, no. Okay, good. It was a total double standard.

Okay, good. My boyfriend. Okay. And he knew about him. Okay. And then I go over there and I'm like, wait, so you have a girlfriend or like, what the hell's going on? Well Peter gets sick. Probably about four months after the discovery of this girlfriend. And by the way, I was trying to work on my own emotions around this thing. And I was, I was actually pretty happy to be like a sister wife. You know, she and I were getting

“along like, you know, she's good with your daughter. She was great with my daughter. She would, you know,”

take him to the doctor's his illness. He had Burkis lymphoma cancer. And at first, we thought

treatable. You know, it's not, um, you can't operate on it, but radiation and chemo maybe could get rid of it. Uh, and we went on like that for probably three months or four months, where we were sharing, we were on a group text together. You know, the whole thing. And then came his terminal diagnosis. And that's when I was like, oh, no, no, she got to go. And we can't, I can't do this. Like, I, I'm going to be here if we're going to face death, we're going to do it together. And nobody

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“ever kept in touch with her after his passing? No. No. She came to his funeral. But I think I was”

I was in too dark of a place to recognize at that time that I've been too harsh with her. Yeah. And was she like your age? Was she your type? Yeah. She was like, did you have a type or were you totally different from me? She was totally different. This girl was like, you know, freaking a yoga instructor, some shit, you know, like crunchy and all the things. Like, I've been a glam girl my whole life. Yeah. It was very different from me. But I liked her well enough. You know,

like I thought she was a reasonably wonderful person. And she took good care of him. But I think my compounding grief, the unfairness of it, everything was just too much. And yeah, I needed space. And I wanted to reconcile our family. I felt guilty. There was just a lot going on. Yeah. Yeah. So he passed what year in 2013. So then you're now the the single your widow, your single

monitor. And you're always you're still working full-time corporate executive these jobs. What

was your relationship with reality TV? Did you watch it? Were you a fan? Oh, I love TV. I have

“always loved TV. I think part of it came from when I was 12 when we moved to the U.S. You know,”

because part of the, what I call the education of it was that some people say that. Yeah, they learn that so you got to do watching TV. Yeah. You know what I mean? Watch an MTV. You watch the sitcoms, videos like you're learning about fashion. You're learning about culture. You'll learn about athletes. Yeah. Watch the games. Girl, I was stuck to my TV. So I had, oh, I knew everything. I know everything about every TV show, reality show. So you had watch real housewives in Beverly Hills.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. So then how did, um, how did they cast and come about that? Oh, well, that was a very weird story because apparently they had been trying to get to me for a number of years, but I was a top executive at big companies. There was no way I would have had time to do the show. Had they reached out and you said, no, no, no, no. Someone said somebody might be half said, no. And I don't know, I don't know who that was or how that was. How do you feel about that? I should

feel okay. Like, okay, they, you know, when you're at that level, you get protected from a lot.

You know, because it was almost like, who the first was, you know, who they are, not, but it was like,

well, yeah, because you don't want to lose you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they don't want to lose you, but the thing is it like, I couldn't have done it. I mean, they, yeah, I don't think they said no, not knowing what I would have said. Okay. You know, so then it was the right call, because I would have said no. So I'm at that. Okay, that they said no then. But the time when I got the email about this opportunity, I had already retired, you know, from my corporate life, like physically mentally,

emotionally, all of it. I had retired. I published my book. I was trying to figure out what to do next. Wasn't sure if I wanted to go back to corporate, because then my ego started to play tricks on me, you know, like, oh, now I'm without a title and I'm just sitting here. What do I do with the rest of my life, you know? And financially, we very comfortable. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, I've done very well in all the companies. And so I can show for a while or something totally there. I'm not the kind

to just sit around. Right. So I was like, you know what, I'm going to start my own business. You know,

I've always loved hair. I was like, oh, let me go to China. I go to the biggest hair show in the

world. I went by myself. I did all the research. I built a factory in Ghana. I was doing all kinds of things to start in my business. And then I get anything. You know, that says, like, hey, we would like to talk to you. And Heather, I swear, my hand to God, I thought they wanted me to be the CMO. I thought they wanted me to be the CMO, like, brawler or something. So I went to the meeting, thinking that's what we're going to talk about. Really? Yeah. So funny. The email wasn't,

now that I looked back at the email wasn't clear, but I think they thought they were being clear.

“Right. But it wasn't clear to me, because why would I think anybody want maybe a housewife?”

You know what I mean? And so I went, like, okay, great. So what's, you know, what's happening? Would it, you know, what are the plans with the objective, you know, the strategy of the network, through that? And they're answering the questions, but they're like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah. Like, you know, they're kind of like, ooh, they're very, now I can see through their eyes. And they must have thought, this is a weirdo. So then what did you realize?

I realized when they said they wanted to come film me at my house with my family.

Because here's the thing, there are, there have been other jobs, like, for instance,

my job at Pepsi, you would have to go on route rides with the, with the, with the truck drivers. Right. And go and see how the product is taken off the truck and put into a Walmart or whatever. You know what I mean? Or when I was at Uber, I drove Uber's, you know, to get better understand it. So when they said that, I swear to you, I thought, oh, okay, this is like more just like, to understand what these women go through. So I was kind of like, okay, great.

But there was something in the back of my mind that I was like, this doesn't sound, but they're trying, so then I just fight our ass. I was like, is this for like a, a marketing job? Like, what job is this for? And they looked at me weird. It was like a literally

who's on first conversation. Like, they were literally like, um, we've been talking about

“you being a housewife. And I was like, is that what we're talking about? I was like, why?”

Why would you, why would you want me? I thought I was so confused. But then I was so fascinated. Because I was like, really? Because when they explain, I mean, look, there's so many different types of women, right? But I think at the end of the day, you can categorize everybody into a big general bucket. But they didn't have a corporate executive outside of Jenna Lyons in New York, right? And I think at the time, they thought that she had been successful in that in her role. And so they

were like, we can do it again in Beverly Hills. And how about you? Yeah. So then I was like, oh my god, but I respect and love Jenna. And so I was like, well, she did it. Let me, let me see what this is about. And so then I was like, okay, let's try it. Go ahead. And you know, I do think it's, you're in a good position in that you had a girl. Most of the girls, I've noticed most of the daughters are more open to being on camera than the boys because they're more

awkward for the boys or they're like, what is this? That is a girly show. Right, all right. So I thought that and she's beautiful. And cute. And the other thing is, you know, you may, I don't, in the very beginning, I don't know if you had data, I mean, you just started to date your now fiance.

“Oh, yeah, I just started to do that. Yeah, I think that's kind of, you know, even though it's called”

Housewife, I mean, we want to see husbands. I do think there's like less of a risk when you're coming in without the husband that you had for a while where if the cameras had come with your first husband, we would have seen the bickering and all that stuff. And you know, before you get better, they would see the bickering and then that's exasperated and then people are coming up. Did you see what he said

when he said you can't have a tuna fish sandwich? Well, whatever. Yeah. So I think I've always think

what he's saying. Yeah. Even now, like, because I've been dating, I think we've been dating like six months or something like that. Yeah. And I was actually very surprised that he was open to being on the show. Yeah. But at that point, you know, we were deep in very committed conversations. You know, like, at that point, I think we both knew they're like, okay, this is, this is the thing, right? Right. And so when he was like, yeah, if you're going to do it, then I'll, I'll do it with you. Like,

“if that's what you want me to do. And I was like, really? Like, okay, you know, like, I guess,”

but what if there's, because I already understood the pressure of what public life can do to a relationship. I was an ignorant of that. Right. And I also want to be careful because he's not necessarily somebody who is looking to be on camera. You know, it wasn't like he was like, oh, yeah, sign me up because I want to be a real house husband. You know, he wasn't that guy. And so I was like, okay, well, don't worry, because you'll sort of just, you know, you'll be in the backs of where and

every now and again, we'll talk about things. But what I was unaware of is how deeply I would go into the things that really do affect both of us. Like, our journey to have another child. Like, I don't know. And in doing that, you know, not only are you having to, you know, share it with your close friends and family and maybe there's judgment there. Like, why are you going for this? Yes. Yes. With your age. Why are you going for this with the man that's not your husband yet?

Yes. But the audience is weighing in. Oh, yeah. And that's with so much pressure. Yeah. And there and listen, I mean, I enjoy the show. And I like you a lot on it. I will be honest. I was like, I don't know that she's just like, you know, you don't have another kid. Right. Well, you know, she is older and this guy, they're not married yet. I understand, but I understand the desire to want to do it one more time. Yes. And you want and want to do it at a stage in your life that you

can have more time with that child. Well, you know what I mean? Like your lifestyle. Yes, life's going to slowly differ. And when you're working more resources, I was, I was a working mom, so like I left the house every day. And it's sometimes like, you know, I, my son is with me now.

every day. And it was a little bit of a bunny. He's like, wow, that was far from our house in

one of the nails. And I'm like, it was far. But I also knew you had that one chance. Yeah. And my kids are fine. It's like they, you know, but the guilt. And there is that desire that I'm like, oh my god, like just to go back and like do it again. And maybe have a nanny, but not have to go to a nine to five every day. Right. Right. I understand that are very, very different. Right. So how did you guys come to the conclusion since you weren't engaged yet? Like, I could see maybe

wanting to do it maybe completely on your own. But I also thought as such like a, you know, a woman that gives such great advice and marketing. Right. There is a risk, you know,

“that now what if you'll get along with him and now you have to share the child with him. Yes,”

of course it's just being a little rather full of that. And that's why I was so surprised when people were, or the audience was judgmental about me having those conversations before we said, I love you. You know, like for me, I was like, oh, no, look, I'm going to clear all of the really big things before I'm like, into deep. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. I want to know because I'm too grown for this. Yeah. I'm not trying to fall in love and then find out that you don't want a kid or

that you, you know, want seven. Yeah. I don't, I don't want to do that. Like I'm like, let's, let's talk, let's have all the hard conversations. And then we understand whether or not we're on the same page by the way, not just about a kid, but like spiritually, emotionally, financially. Like, I want to have every conversation. People just want to focus on like falling in love and like the butterflies and like all of the like sparkly stuff. And I'm like, no, the things that destroy you are those things.

“Right. When you're not on the same page, when you're not equally yoked, that's what actually destroys”

a marriage. Not whether or not somebody falls out of love. Yeah. You've been married a long time, right? Yeah. You, you know, look, the love is not just about the butterflies. Yeah. The love is the commitment every day to me. Like, I'm with this person. And the friendship and like, just like to do fun. Like, can you still talk about fun things? Talk to this person. Yeah. Are they your closest friend or are you intimate? Not just physically, but emotionally and

spiritually with this person. Like, are they going to care for you? And that's what I wanted to understand. If we were on the same page about a number of things. And also, and this is the part where

my emotions do play a part, which is that I always wanted more children. But I was too afraid.

You know, I'd had such terrible after your daughter, after my childhood and after your first

“husband passed. Yes. You thought about, did you think about it? I thought about it. I thought about it.”

I thought about it. I thought about it. I thought about it. And I was too afraid. You know, I was like, first of all, I don't want to put my health at risk. Right. But yet I hadn't taught to any doctors. Yeah. Yeah. I was just over here diagnosing myself. Right. I was like, I don't want to do it without a partner. It's really hard to be a single mom. Yeah. I don't know. I'm barely surviving doing the one. I don't know what I'm doing with two or three. So I didn't freeze my eyes. I didn't do anything.

Right. You know, and now in hindsight, I wish I would have. I wish I would have just moved on the desire knowing that like, okay, well, let me just give myself a chance. Yeah. You know, instead of putting it to bed before I even, and where are you with it now? Oh, well, right now. So my doctors are amazing. And they've, and why did you choose a doctor in Las Vegas? Because she's a black woman who is one of the leading specialists in fertility. Oh, you know, black maternal health is

is a very scary stat. Yes. More black women die. I know. That's a horrible idea. I can't believe

that that's kind of finally come to the forefront of like I never was aware of that. That's absolutely

horrific. It's like it's like two times the numbers. That is insane. It's insane. And so sad. And horrible. And terrifying. So I'm like, look, I already risk my life once. I'm not trying to do it again. So doctor Cindy is a doctor Cindy Duke is wonderful. And so she put me through the battery because, you know, she was like, look, you are healthy enough to carry a child. She's like, I'm 49. I'm almost 50. She's like, you can probably carry baby till you're 56. And I'm like,

I don't believe you. Like, what are you talking about? Girl, when I tell you I've been to every specialist, like my cardiologist, the like, everybody, done all the blood work, everything to make sure that I'm okay. Psychologically, it's a different story. You know, I've obviously had a lot of therapy to manage my grief and all the things. But I hadn't dealt with this in particular, you know, in that, like, I dealt with the grief of losing Eve. I've dealt with the grief of losing my husband. I've dealt with

tackled the having another baby grief and scare. And so I needed to do that work. But at the same time,

I was like, well, let me just go ahead and, you know, do my five-boy surgery, which I did on the show. Right. Let me go ahead and get these eggs retrieved. And there's a lot of stress. And, you know, is a, I'll do respect to the people who go through IVF because that joint is not easy, not for the faint of how to do it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Like, you was successful. Oh, well, I'm so glad. Yeah, yeah. Because, but it was a long time ago. They were like 20, you know,

he's just 22 now. And then she got pregnant naturally after. Isn't that wild? It's pretty threatened, by the way. She went through IVF. We're the same age. Yeah. And so naturally it's two toddlers.

“Yeah. So that's why I'm just like, but just I could do it. Look at my girls. You did it. You know,”

she went through IVF and then got pregnant. That's really crazy. But anyway, very long story short. I have, I've decided to take a break for a moment. We're going to get through our weddings. And then we're going to pick it up again. I'm not sure if I will, you know, go through a trevo again. But no, there are other options. There's egg donors. Yeah. A number of things. Surrogates. There's, you know, because I'm not even sure necessarily that I want to carry the baby.

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It was stunning. Oh, so really really good. And then I know it was heavy. You probably felt it in your abs the next day when you were in my arms even. Like there was the sound guy had to mic me and you know it's simple. You just put your arm up and these maneuver

“and dude it was like 10 seconds. I was like hey hey how quickly can we get this done?”

Because my house I can somebody hold my hand for me. Yeah it was it was a very very heavy dress. But my the designer I work with in Ghana is a complete like you know. I think if she could make like we're just perfectly matched because she is a very understated person but an extravagant designer.

stunning and she flew the dress you know from Ghana. Oh my god. Yeah. Like amazing and so here

you guys all are yes. Yeah and I love Jennifer Tilly's I thought this was fantastic. I thought it was so fun. On the honest I said I liked yours and Jennifer Tilly's. Yeah. I think that's all I said. It looked really good though. At that sentence the bass is really pretty. That was pretty. Yeah. But if I'm just listen I've watched this for a long time and it's I don't I think you're sitting

“on the couch. Yes. So you have to make sure that you don't have a pooch bee that you're not wearing a”

such a challenging kind of silkyness that it gets wrinkly. So I do think tight bodice beading works really actually really well. It's uncomfortable. But I think that's the way to go structure for our deck for a reunion look. Okay. So let's get into it the show. So basically this season you know it was really delete feeling that you know she's being criticized and whatnot. And PK just didn't interview that came out. And I listened to most of it and he comes off you know

he's a nice like oh boy. It comes off you know humble tell suppose. It's like yeah. But

when he kind of said like well I wish you wouldn't have done it so publicly. Here's the thing

if you're on a reality show and you're being real any woman going through a divorce. Mm-hmm. But she won that takes more than one season of a TV show to most don't. You are going to vent to your girlfriends. Absolutely. So if she was to not share her feelings and frustration then she would not be doing her job. And then she wouldn't be. And she'd be criticized for that. Yeah, right exactly. And it's like you're getting divorced for a reason. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

I actually had Natalie on. Oh yes. And I and you know I was like I want to know like what how is it to be like the basically in it but not really in it you know. And she was very interesting and she just said you know I'm like how's your divorce? She's like it's fine but we're getting divorced. Like we're getting married. I mean nobody has and I kind of thought when she said when to read said to Kyle like I hope that it's nice forever. But this interesting situation

you have with Marisa and I get why no one wants to bite the bullet. Multiple homes, kids, all this. And also just like who wants to even clean out a drawer, let alone move and split shit and split

“businesses and multiple homes. I get all that. Yeah. So I think but I also think Kyle was”

trying to you know was also being nice. But I think yeah in the end. Yeah. You got to choose your girlfriend. Yes you do. You really do. Yeah. And that's where I found myself in a conundrum. Yes. Right? Because I believe multiple things can be true at one time. And to read and I even though you know you didn't see a lot of it. We got into quite a bit of conflict over it. Yeah. Because I would defend Kyle. Oh that's right. Yeah. You know I would say like

she cares about you. Yeah. And to read doesn't believe it. Yeah. But I was like hey look there are certain things that she's doing that to me prove that she cares. I agree to. She may not be right. Yeah. Because like I don't hold the same opinion with Kyle about whether or not to read should talk about P.K. I think she should. I think she should do whatever the hell she wants to do to grown woman. Let her talk if she wants to. Kyle does not believe that. But doesn't mean that

I don't think she cares about the read. No. And then to read how to good point when she's like you said I was being erratic. Darling baby. You said I was being erratic. And I'm like well again Kyle is doing her job. Yeah. We've all been with girlfriends. And we do talk behind each other's backs. It doesn't mean it's malicious. Right. It means okay. Hey. Right. Right. Are you getting the feeling that she's just should not be like rolling like this? Right. I'm like yeah. She's being

honest too. You would have said that. Yeah. You would have. You know. So like I felt that like I think I said this. I don't know if it made it or not. So you tell me if it did. But I said you know Kyle and I friend differently. Yeah. Right. Which is also okay. Like yeah. We don't have to be the

same type of friend. I kind of love that expression. Here we are a set up before. I never said that before.

We friend differently is like very it's ingenious. Okay. What's going on? Let's keep that. Yeah. It's very

“interesting. It's very interesting. It's true. And you know and as you should have an house kind of”

older. Yeah. And I've said this for like years because I'm like women you know will be so supportive. Kick him to the curb. Dad, I hear, done with him. Yeah. Get a rid of your husband and who was your

friends anymore. What the fuck is going like. Sometimes friendships are like a marriage without the

set. Yes. Yes. Sometimes. Yes. It can't last forever. Oh my God. And sometimes it has seasons and it has break up. Sometimes it ends. And you can't just like a couple that can't get back to regularly having sex and being loving. Sometimes a friendship that's so close on the phone five times a day has a break and they can get back to a place but it's not ever going to be the pain of the that's right constant calling every time I got in the car type of friend. Right. Right. And that's

what I really I think at the end of the day what I would love for them is just peace. Yeah. You know civility. It's like you won't get back to where you were. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, I called it

during my first season. I think we were like two weeks in where I was just like, oh, y'all don't trust

“each other. That's what's going on here. And then somebody pulled me to the side and was just like,”

you kind of got to let them talk. I was like, oh, okay, let me just let me relax. What was that weird? Oh, when you first entered because I feel like with Natalie, it was like because she really wasn't part of it and she like came later in the season. Yeah. If you were out of dinner party where you didn't know anybody and that's her personality kind of sit back. Yeah. But you're a little bit like me and I would be jumping right in. That would be jumping right in. And then they'd be like,

hold on baby. We're telling you. You don't know anything. Yeah, but you're like, yeah, but like, yeah, but also I've had 25 years. Right. Of having to mediate quickly. Right. You want to

“mean that that's what I do for a living. Like I, you know, you can't have conflict in the workplace”

because when you do across money. Yeah. And so I am very practiced. However, in this situation, I had to learn to just sit back and be like, okay, let them figure it out for themselves. Right. Let them argue. Let them figure out their differences. And then what's really interesting and sad is they weren't just two girlfriends that met on a TV show. They had a fun for some. Yes, with the husband. And like there are that one scene that they laughed at, you know,

Erica's ex husband of Tom Jorari. Are they divorced? I don't think they're divorced. Well, hand, and when he was, when she had that famous scene where she's like, Tom got in a car, sitting rolled down the hill. Got a fall now. Whatever the whole story was. And in P.K. He's like, you know, what do you mean they operated on the ankle? You go for the head. He's a lawyer. It's not a fucking circle player. And they're all like laughing, laughing, crying, laughing.

That scene is what is so sad about. Yes, about where the marriages are not what they are,

that they'll never be. Friendships are. And they're the friendships because

Kyle is still friendly with Mauricio, so they know she's hearing the sides of, you know, and that's really hard because it's always like, especially when it's like custody and, you know, if someone a good dad or that you know, did he, did she really keep the kids from him? Or was there? And it wasn't supposed to be Saturday morning at nine and she wasn't back from coffee yet, and then it's like you're not at the door right. Yeah, yeah, those stories I mean, it's so bad. Very very comfortable friends that's lived for ourselves with the exchanges. Let's exchange the police department because you said I threw a baby blanket. I love it. It's just it's miserable. It is miserable. And then, you know, so I don't know it. I like I see.

Where it's at, and I get how she kind of got to this like fucking place. Yeah, you know, it's very clear to me. Yeah, it's very very clear because she has felt like hey, look, these women have known me a long time. They should have my back like point blank period. Yeah, you know, I don't want to hear his side and look at it from this angle and let's place double the advocate. I don't want to hear any of that. Yeah, and she's maybe in the year. But right now, she's in quite hot anger right and you kind of just let me to let her burn. Yeah, it's like look, but also again, this is why you friend differently. I am that friend that if you're having a problem with somebody, you probably want to call me.

“I'm not going to be the one who's like drop their location right now. Let's go over there. Yeah, I'm not the friend you call if you want to be Susan like, oh, no, just forgive him, but I'm not that let's play devil's out.”

My sister is my best friend and she is a criminal defense attorney and sometimes I have to now in our friendship and sisterhood go, I'm just going to bitch and I actually don't want to hear the other side.

You know, it's like, because also I, I feel it like I feel it from my girl and I want to make sure that like I'm looking at the situation through her eyes and so and there are different friends who do it differently and that is fantastic. You probably do need to call her so she can tell you to calm your ass down. Right. And I mean, you know, and peakeving goes, oh, a lot of things aren't true and you know, a lot of things. He says this and it, you know, we're from from coming. I'm not a half doing it, but it's just I'm thinking about it, but like I won't do it because, you know, I just like, no, but he was saying like, you know, oh, some things aren't real and production, you know, pushes for things and all that.

We haven't seen their home marriage and it seems to me, she has revealed that they got to that place where they were both saying pretty fucking below the belt type of stuff, which is very hard to come from come back from.

But also when someone's like, well, I like peake, so it's always been nice to me. I always go, yeah, there's bus boys all over Beverly Hills that said, oh, Jay was the nicest guy in the world.

But we all know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not just comparing. Yeah, yeah, no, what your relationship with someone as a friend as a businessman or whatever is never going to be the same as someone has as an intimate partner who was married and raised kids. We do every marriage is different and you don't know what she said to him that made it a point and overturn or whatever.

“And so I think that that's what's so hard about getting divorced and figuring out who's going to pay for what. Yeah, but at the end of the day, you need your friends. Yeah, that to me, that's where we can no longer have a conversation.”

Your friends, everybody, rally. No. And honestly, because every marriage is different and therefore every divorce is different, you cannot be different rallies, you know, Kyle wants her very intimate circle and she won't reveal anything to anybody who's not in that and that and that's what I had to learn right in my first season because I did feel like she was cold, but I had to learn that like, oh, because she's not going to be anything to me. You know, when I first met Kyle years ago, like at parties and things like that, I've been interviewing house wife for years, I thought she was a little aloof and then she came on the show and she was just one of my favorite interviews.

So it's like, I think just sometimes people say I'm sometimes, you know, a little like, you know, a little dismissive and I'm like, well, I'm sorry if I was distracted like there's things like that. And so sometimes it's good that you, you know, took some time and kind of get for what her qualities are and everything. Yeah, and also getting to know each other better. And Kyle is for sure somebody who needs to get to know you. Yeah, she's been around the business a long time.

Right. She went around a lot of different type of people a long time. She needs to build trust first.

You know, and I'm now okay with that, right? Where I didn't understand that in the beginning. And so we're in a very different place in our friendship. However, with Dorit, it was totally different, right? Within the first two minutes, she was telling me all the business I was going on with P.K. Right. And so I was like, okay, look, the way we need a rally around Dorit is different from the way we need a rally around Kyle, right? And now different from the way we need a rally around Rachel and her divorce. Different from the way we need a rally around Sutton as her marriage is a note.

You know, it's like, yeah, that was the most horrible thing of all my God off.

And he's like dating her ex friend.

“I can't even see, and that's, that's what I'm telling you.”

Because you should not tell me that I was like, because I will be like, where is she at? Let's go over there now. Okay, even when Kyle and I weren't like super chummy, I mean, we set it on the show where like I saw Mo as freaking soul house in Malibu. And he was there with the, with the woman that he'd been photographed with. Look, Kyle and I weren't like talking, talking, talking. I called her immediately. And I was like, "Girl, you want me to push him into the ocean?" What would you like me to do? And then when I got home, I gave her a six minute voice note.

“I remember the play by play on everything. You don't think? You want to know what she was wearing?”

I'm what they am. I am that friend. And so I'm like, but it is, it is different for everybody. Right. And even to the point about Sutton, like, I didn't know anything about the normalment or whatnot. And so when we met up after last summer, and she said that this had happened, "Oh, I immediately was just like, "Girl, what? Who would do that? What kind of person?" You want to try to forget because as a Catholic, I know how hard it is to get something annulled.

I don't really like that. That seems a little fishy to me. Well, I met the Pope. Oh, the new Pope, the new Pope. The Chicago, the Chicago Pope. Is that the Vatican during Holy Week? Oh my God.

“I was like, I was like, "Son, you want me to talk to him about this and know me?" What would you like me to help, Leo?”

How did you meet the Pope? Oh, it's great. It was great. So my friend, George Rapier, who owns Villaby Biani, which is why I took the girls in Tuscany. You know, he has all the connections everywhere, over in Tuscany. And we were there for Holy Week because it was spring break. I was like, "Oh my God, it'd be great to have like Easter at the Vatican." And so Stefano who runs the Villa and the Vineyards was like, "Oh, yeah, we have a connection to the Vatican.

You want me to see if you can go?" And I was like, "Oh, yeah, good as an audience." And so we had the opportunity to go to Mass. And then, at the very last minute, here comes the invitation to meet the Pope and talk to him. And I was like, "Wait, do you have a photo with me?" But I wasn't on your Instagram. Because it was, I did a whole, like, I saw you in your Easter outfit. Oh, but I was only on the floor. Oh, yeah. Well, I have a, I don't know what that would be in. Oh, yeah, keep going.

I didn't take every one though. You did it. Okay, okay. Well, I'll throw it up in here. Oh, I'll throw him a letter, girl. I hand wrote it. So, well, what did you write? What do you, how do you think that he got that? Oh, yeah, that is a pope doing it, but no, no, no, no, of course it will type of fry your protein.

Connection. It has three. It's two parts. You also want to Catholic school. Yeah.

It's too hard to get to the pope first of all.

I mean, I'm just going to very difficult to get to the pope. It is hard to undo a marriage within the Catholic church. I just, I don't know how he did it. All I know is that it took a lot of effort and was quite intentional. And he's he doing that because he wants to marry this.

I would assume this. I would assume this. And also that you were that you're with a woman that feels that or maybe he did too to feel that strongly about that. The second marriage be in the church like I do most people are just like that's cool.

Like it's. Yeah, we're going to get married on this. Get married in the garden. Yeah. Yeah, but like, but no.

Yeah. I need to be your only wife in the eyes of God. Who? I don't know who this girl is. I'm telling you.

I am looking for her. I knew I was kind of like, how are people like I would be bringing that up at every luncheon? I would be like, what is going on? What is going on?

See, here's the thing. I know they don't use everything obviously. No, but also I promised you I would have said it if I had known during our filming that it was her friend or a former friend. I promised you I would have asked because that is just too much not to ask about.

And then it was just like, wait, I mean, the moment was one thing and then after we got

“to do that, I was like, okay, so now you're setting brown, all right?”

I guess what's that? She doesn't mean that she doesn't really mean she can't call or set self setting structure. She doesn't mean she has to, but I think she's not. I mean, I had a real idea that took me five times to DMV because I'm Heather

McDonald's a bias and I was always missing something and so I just saw someone said a

tweet to me because I talked about it and they're like, this person goes, I'm going to get my California real idea. I brought my mother's placenta. And I was like, because it's like crazy, serious. So I'm like, I don't think anyone's going to make her legally change.

No one can make it. I don't think so. Which I don't think. And obviously I have not talked about this. This is just a good lecture on my own.

But I think it would be very hard for me to keep somebody's name who didn't want me to have it. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'd be like, you went through all that trouble.

Yeah. Then I'm not keeping it. You know what I mean? It's kind of like a personality now. So it's true.

And I was married, got married. I already had been on a TV show and like had an age and so I'm like, it's Heather McDonald. My husband was like, whatever you want to do. And then when I was pregnant with my son, I had this weird idea that like, what

if I was in the emergency room or how to go to the hospital with him and they were like, that's not your chance.

Which would never happen.

By the way, I thought the same. So then I just added dough bias. Yeah. And so that's. But I had like half the credit cards say Heather McDonald, the passport says Heather

McDonald. Lysens says Heather McDonald, the bias was like a big rat fuck. Honestly. So I don't think about a lot about this.

“I think you can get all these fascinating things.”

Yeah, I don't think it's worth it to change your day. Oh. You can still be called the, what's your husband's Watson. You could still be the Watson's Christmas card. Right.

You can still call yourself the Watson, but to legally go through it, I don't think it's worth it. Oh, it's so fascinating. Yeah, I don't think it's worth it. Yeah, but then I have the complication of feeling like, I haven't really made my decision.

I mean, your name is really good. Yeah, it is. And I love the same way about Heather McDonald, I was like, Heather McDonald is a really

Yeah. But now it's McDonald's your maiden name. That's my maiden name. Okay. And like, but nobody, like, he, no one would have cared.

And I just, I'll say I'm, I'm where the device is at the country club. Look, whatever. And then, but, you know, sometimes I'm like, throw the McDonald around. Yeah, like, cause I'm like, oh, it's just, I think it's just, I just think it's a pain in the ass.

“Yeah, but that's why I was just like, you know what, if she wants to change his”

a brown, and she'll want to be associated. Her kids are grown. It's like, he looked gorgeous this season. Oh, yeah. Like, her hand make up and everything.

She did a great job. And yeah, now Amanda, let's talk about Amanda. Yes.

I really loved that you explained on the end of the first part one of the room.

Oh, yes, about because I kind of was like, when she said, hey, you're coming after me, you know, and her confession, whatever, because you too had it online, course. And I was like, look, Oprah has it on like, there's, master classes. There's, you know, there's all this, Ron Howard. Right.

There's two frightening classes. There's all that kind of stuff that isn't like a negative thing. And I've defended her because I'm like, hey, listen, she has created something. It's makes money and all that stuff. So I thought you explained it really, really well.

Yeah. Yeah. And then when it went back to, it, and saw the clip, it did make sense that you were like, it doesn't make money. It's not a money to do that.

It's not meant to be this big thing that you, that people buy into. Right. And continue to pay up and up and up and then they might become a coach themselves. Right. Right.

You know, like, I think the thing that bothered me, because I wouldn't have been bothered with her misunderstanding what I said, and until she turned it into a negative. Right. In order to compare us, you know, that's what brought me the wrong way. Like I was just like, wait, hold on.

You took something I said, which by the way, when we're in the vineyard, I thought we were having a great moment because I thought, oh, here we go. Here's some understanding about what you do and what I do.

It was actually the very first time where I was just like, oh, it's a breakthrough.

“But I think I better understand what you're doing and I'll tell you what I'm doing, you know?”

But then she turned, like, after we were done filming, she just turned it into like this negative dig like to be like, oh, I'm jealous of her because I'm losing business on my online courses and she's a million there. And I was like, wait, wait, hold on. Why would you say that?

I was like, you know that we don't do the same thing. And by the way, to your point, Oprah has online courses and Ron Howard has online. Everybody got a goddamn online course. It doesn't mean that's the center of what they do. And it is the center of what she does and so I understand why that's her whole world.

But for me, it is not. I'm like, girl, if we were to compare the list of the things I have going on and have had going on, compared to what I do online to help other people, girl, this is not even the thing. This is not, and so I was bothered by the comparison because I was like, we are not the same.

I don't know why we would be over here apples and oranges. I mean, and then when you know, and I do think it was, I got, I see both sides when she was like, I am proud that it was my millions that bought this house, bought it out right there for her. And you want to say that and while, but they were like, yeah, but that's a little bit, you

know, rude to your husband and all of that. And, and I got, I got, I, I was so glad that then Sutton said, I would have been hurt if my husband as I'm holding a baby said, I bought this house. It was with my money, my company, and it's the same kind of thing. And then jokingly, I'm like, well, if you, if your husband makes the same amount that you

make in a month, he makes any year, why don't you give him the course for free? Oh, why don't you give him the matter, that's not what I think of that. I should have, I should have thought of that. That is a fantastic question. Can any other discount is there a special money that is special?

You know what that is? Your father's question. It's like, why hasn't he manifested more money? That's very, that is actually a fascinating question. I mean, that's not thought of that.

“And, but you know what, here's the thing.”

I thought, look, during that conversation, I really didn't say anything because I just felt like everybody else was jumping in. And there's enough of the like, oh, Bose versus Amanda thing where I'm just like, first of all, everybody versus Amanda, but okay, you know, so I was like, alright, y'all take this one.

But the point to be made wasn't about whether or not this is like women's empowerment. Okay, I can run around saying I've made a gazillion dollars and I can do everything I want to as well.

But I would never disparage Kaley because I don't want his, I wouldn't want to disparage

You know, like, for me, it wasn't so much like, oh, do you have the money and can you

prove that like you are an independent woman? It's like, I just went and wanted to disparage my partner. And I, I just feel like that. You wouldn't want that if you were a woman, you wouldn't want that if you were a man.

“So I was like, well, maybe you should think about how he feels when you say things like”

that. And but she didn't admit that like he didn't necessarily like it. Right. I mean, I don't think anybody, what it is hard. Even in the Sanage, when the woman is the main breadwinner or you do the business together

in my case, we have a business together, but I am the face of it, you know, like I do these things. So it's like, yeah, it's not fun. Yeah. It's a hard thing for a couple to manage when the woman makes more than the man.

It's just a fact. And certainly one way I do not think it's helpful, which is what Eric and Jason is saying over. Oh, right. Oh, right. Oh, right.

I know. Oh, my God. Maybe you say you're one. I don't, that's a problem is like, you don't say it a thousand times. I just don't know what that you do.

Yeah. And I can't, I can't, you know, I was able to buy this house, you know, buy my, buy myself, like, I didn't need his money or whatever, you know, or even someone that's like, we didn't need my parents money for the down payment. Whatever. That's the type of thing. It's that's okay.

And I get that she came on the show. She was doing the, the Bethany, Franco way of putting skinny girl everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And because she was sparred, she's probably like, listen, if this is my one season, yeah, I've got a fucking enough out of it. You know. And then also kind of felt for her when she, when they were like, yeah, but you told the care of it. Oh, man. On this Chanel backpack, which is like, Sun's got, you know, 20 of the, she gave you her gardener last week.

Like, she's like, clean out her closet like, that's nothing, but I kind of felt she was like, well, I thought that was what she was. It was like, I think in her mind, yes, but she was also most, maybe being like, naively helpful.

“Like, oh, I do have a good bag if you want to like, I mean, but she said it, which is that like she wanted to keep up with the Joneses because she thought that's what the show was.”

Everybody show off what they have. The difference is nuance, right. You know, and, and taste and tone, because like, of course you want to showcase what you're wearing.

We all love that, like, whenever we walk into seeing somebody at a dinner or whatever we're like, oh, my God, you look amazing.

How many times did we ask Jennifer, what do you have on? Right. You know what I mean? Like, of course you do that, but it's also not Jennifer being like, look at what I have on my body. And it's right.

I'm trying to tell those words. Okay, a couple more questions. Yes. Now, I've been watching the shows for years and there is that element of where someone feels that their cast made because it is a job is a not showing up as much. She's been, you know, the, the reads been criticized for taking smoking breaks, which I kind of thought was interesting.

Because I remember that in my first corporate job, I was like, should I just pretend that I'm a sort of hurt just to like go. It's like, you know, 15 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they're so, you're spoken to like, but also Erica, you know, was like alluded to, to, to, to, to, to, like, I shared with you about this, D.V. situation. And it seemed like maybe there was a moment where Doreeth's like, you better bring that up on camera, you better give us something.

“Now, I am going to interpret it one way in that Doreeth, I think, was being a friend because we don't see Erica's son.”

We don't see Erica's new boyfriend. We don't, we don't really see much of her life. If she was sharing her son and her boyfriend, we would see the two of them meet. Wouldn't that be interesting? I would love to have seen the cop meet GIG.

No, no. I would love to see the cop's girlfriend. He doesn't have to. And I'm not saying that she should. That's her kid.

But if you have this other thing happen, we don't, we never knew that you had this other boyfriend.

Because we never saw this other part of your life. Right, yeah, yeah. So it's like, I wonder, you share so much. We see your daughter. We see your, you're, I mean, is that something that's sometimes among housewives?

It's like, yeah, I feel like I'm pulling the weight and someone else kind of isn't. I think it's probably about 10 year than any. Yeah. Because I don't feel that way just because everything is brand new. Yeah.

Yeah. And everything is a shiny penny. So I'm always looking around like, oh, tell me more about that. And tell me more, like I feel like I'm in a lot of discovery. Right.

Or is maybe somebody like Doreed or Kyle or anybody else, Sutton maybe feel like, oh, well, I have to come season after season and tell new things. Yeah. You know, divulge my entire insights.

And why do I have to do this?

And you don't have to, I may have, I've heard that argument a lot. I don't necessarily feel that just because I don't think I have enough tenure to feel that pressure. Right. Because I'm focused on my life. It does kind of exist.

Yeah, that exists. Oh, for sure. And I can see, and I can see why. Yeah. And I love, and I love to Erica's honesty about DJing is easier than performing.

And I love it. Yeah. And yeah. She's not DJing my wedding. I mean, I love that too.

But I was also like, you know, maybe she wants to just be a guest. Oh, what? At my wedding? Yeah. Oh, my god.

She probably does. She probably got to come work. Yeah. You should do. Have your regular.

Oh, I am. And then she does.

She's going to do a little part of my life.

Yeah, I can do that. I don't want her to do all of that. But I do think that look, there are also.

“I think we got also like, you know, be careful about.”

Oh, this one's sharing too much or that one's not sharing enough because of tenure. There's a long time. And so I don't agree when people say like, Oh, Kyle isn't sharing enough. I'm like, that girl's been on the show 15 fucking years. I agree.

She shared enough of her life. If she decides it shouldn't want to share this particular part. Okay. So the person's name, we know who the person is and by the way, he's all the person. The previous season.

And maybe then they change their mind. By the way, I'm like, hey, look, she is allowed. And then if she decides, like, hey, look, because I'm not sharing this. I can't be on the show anymore. That is her call.

That's her decision. I mean, well, I'm focused on my life. Yeah. And whatever that relationship is with Morgan Wade, who just started a podcast is doing another TV show.

She doesn't leave a private life. She's a big musician. They might just be friends.

They might have always just been friends.

Doesn't really matter. But yeah, I think that was, that was interesting to watch. Yeah. And I felt like I was never like, give me more. I was like, this is juicy.

This is good. This is interesting.

“But I think the tension of her and Mo is so interesting to me.”

I know maybe people want more. When I, by the way, when I met him. Yeah. Because of course, I, like I saw him in so house and we talked about him a bunch. And so I, like I said, I had my, I was team Kyle, right?

Even though she and I were not particularly close. But I was like, look, it's us against him, you know? Yeah. And then I met him. And I was like, yo, this guy's got aura.

Yeah. He's, he's really charming. And so then I told the read. I don't think it made the edit. But I told the read.

I was like, yo, if I ever meet P.K. And he charms me. I'm sorry. I apologize. I had a time.

I don't know. I'm like, Mo is kind of cool. I've got a much time. He's always very nice. He's great.

He's falling on the sand. Yeah. It's kind of like getting to see how she, when she does now, we see her like get a visible ex sometimes. That's kind of funny because he's like.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, now that she's kind of out of it, she still has, like she said, they were their friends.

They're friendly. But it's kind of funny how she's like. We'll roll our eyes and be like, whatever. What she talks about at reunion.

“She talks about this time that I think they were in”

Aspen or something. And he was, you know, he was going around the party as if she wasn't there. Yeah. And how it made her feel.

And I was like. Yeah. I think it was very hard to get balance. I mean, the public guy. And being the public guy.

And then you don't have any clear lines of demarcation. Yeah, like that would be an impossible situation. So we'll be interesting. Well, I love that you came. Thank you.

Thank you. Much for here. I have to. You're not following her. You're crazy.

So tell everybody where they can follow you and anything. Well, if they want to get from you. The badass bows on Instagram. So you can find me everywhere with that. But most I live on Instagram.

And I'm so excited. We still have part two. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Well, with her, you will have seen part two. And then we still have three. Yeah. Part three. Thank you.

Thank you so much.