Real Housewives’ Producer on Casting, Firing and Female Friendships

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It's just so much about Trump's life.

“Yeah, traders was the best thing for him.”

Totally. Because I think when you get out of, like, when you see people like Lisa Renauden traders, you know what I mean? There's something in Canada on traders.

Like you get to see them in a different light than being in that type of pressure cooker and environment. And I feel like you get to see more of like a silly side or maybe not a side where you're like going in and you're like, oh, I got my boxing gloves on bitch.

Like we're going at it. And we're like-- The traders is such a weird simple yet fast, great. Yeah. I don't know why.

It's just such a great. It's just so great. And there's house of villains and things like that. But it's just not for me hitting like the traders. I hope that people are thinking of other type of shows like that.

Yeah. That can really make it so fun for these former big reality stars to still kind of stay relevant and show what made them famous. Like I would like to see Jacks or James Kennedy on the traders.

Yeah. Like to me that would be interesting. I'm so happy you're saying that because I just met with somebody. It was a network exec and I was saying how I love an underdog. Like a one-season wonder or somebody who just kind of fell off

and you like to see them kind of pop back up.

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world, I'm always like, how can you find these type of people who maybe like haven't had big momentum. But you want to see how they would be in a different format. Yeah. Like what we're talking about.

And the problem is, you know, people are like, well, they have the traders. That's where these people who kind of, you know, go into oblivion kind of can revamp their career. But I'm like, there's something different where I would love to see.

Teresa, Mimi, you know, people who are definitely.

“I think about just doing like a traders or type of traders.”

For me, I don't watch the challenge and the survivors anymore. Yeah. And I get that they mix them all up and also that might make it fun. Because it was like, oh, the housewives are going to have, and when they're like the housewives are going to have each other's back,

I'm like, when they've never had each other's back,

why would they have each other's back from the different, even franchise or season? Like they can't have their own cities back. But like for me, I would rather, I think when we more, it would be fun just to see it with broth.

Bravo should be working on shows like traders. But just for bravo, past talent. Well, because I think there's a lot like these one season, wonders that go on in housewives, right? Like where are that, you know, I want to know what they're doing.

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But then they'll be something negative that follows them forever. Like sadly, unreal housewives of OC, Lynn Curtains, daughter is really struggled. And some buddy with a iPhone found her.

“And, you know, and then I think that person got blessed.”

And then I also feel like that could be a little unstable. Like she keeps going back to her and landcaster. Yeah. And being like, well, we're trying to get you some money. And I'm like, okay, so you're collecting the money.

We're doing the phone. And then we're supposed to believe we're giving it to Lynn Curtains, daughter to stay in this grow. So I like the whole thing. And then people like Nolan's trying to help her.

Then she ended up doing an interview. And you know, when she tells her story, she's like, I was 15 or say sister. We were like 15, 16 when the show started on the show. We were actively drinking. They showed that in the original.

Like our the we're we get evicted the same week that my mom is getting a face lift. They end up getting divorced. Uh, it's just. Yeah, of course, that is such a vulnerable time for a teenager. And at that time, there wasn't social media.

But they were also like one of two shows. Like so of this. So there was a lot more eyes on the show. Yeah. And then to have it go and be able to repeat over and over while she's down and out and struggling with addiction.

I mean, that's the part where it's like, I know. Well, that's the thing, right? Like, do viewers really want to watch that? No, no, yeah. And that's kind of like the Mary Cosby of it all with Salt Lake City.

You know, with people talking about like, oh, it's a too soon for people to pick up cameras and start putting them in your face when you're going through something as serious as that.

I've always viewed housewives as like escape Islam.

But then for me, I like, you know, where things are real.

“Because I think the big thing that I always say now is like on the casting side,”

you can see when people are coming in and they know I got to check this off the list. I got to act this way. I got to show up this way. I got to flaunt this type of lifestyle. And when I know it's so tragic and dark, but like that is real life, right?

Like you're getting to see a real emotion. You're getting to see real things unfold. And that to me is kind of what I think it's a really hard thing. Because as the talent as Mary Crossby, there's two ways to look at it. One is, I'll just not share this and go more and buy myself.

Which sounds awful. Or I'll use this opportunity to shed a life on this epidemic. And also be busy. You know, a lot of people offer a tragedy. They want to go back to work.

They want to, you know, because they're like, I don't want to just be left at home to like, wallowing my bed. Like I need to like get up and do what they think. So I mean, it's one of those things. I don't think anyone can judge and as long as she wants to do it and is unbored to do it,

then I think it's, you know, it's up. She's going to do it that I don't think they should say, "No, you can't." Or you have to do it. You sign a contract like, and I'm sure that it was a mutual agreement to share this part of her life.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think of like when I have worked as like a talent producer on these shows, like I always felt conflicted in those moments. I mean, granted nothing ever a serious as that. But when, you know, a housewife like comes to you and your job is to like build a relationship

It's very like conflicting, I feel when they come to you because they know they can trust you.

You're this outlet. You have all these cooks in the kitchen and they're like, you're the one person that I can go to. And divulges information. And sometimes, you know, it's your job to like navigate. Okay, do we put this on camera?

Do we show this to the world? Or do I respect this person's wishes? You know, telling me, hey, this is between me and you. I'm just trying to like, you know, I feel like I feel like the relationship between a housewife and her real housewife producer is the traders.

It's basically the traders. Can I trust you, guy, you're a trader, you're a faithful. Are you truly? Well, that's the test. Yeah.

“You truly, my friend as my producer, are you really any co-ins best friend?”

Yeah. What do you, like, that's such an interesting position to be in.

And I've always, I've always thought a great scripted show would be something fictional

like housewives behind the scenes and the star would be a producer. Oh, yeah. Who's gets, because every season could be like a different thing and they get caught into it. And I always believe, like, I mean, I don't know how much the networks would want the cameras

to really showcase those things, but like the castings part of it, the talent producing it. Like, that's a series in itself, right? Yeah. I mean, how conflicting of, is it, you know, if somebody sent their saying, like, hey, I know this woman's really struggling, you know, her husband's cheating on her.

I know this is happening. You know, she's my best friend. I don't want to put that out there. She's telling me this now and I'm sitting there like, okay, I really love this person who I've developed a relationship with, but if she says this and that other cast me is going

to know that it was her that said it, right?

Because she's the only one that's privy to it. And then that demise is their friendship and that comes on me that I betrayed someone. It's just like so messy. Now, in protecting you and your position, so hypothetically. Yeah, hypothetically.

This is the situation. Maybe not you. Yeah. But would other producers figure out a way to get that juicy information out there without jeopardizing the relationship where the one housewife is like, I can't believe you told.

“Like, I think, you know, we seen it like with New Jersey where it would be all of a sudden Theresa”

would go, well, I heard a rumor that what was the girls? Oh, Jackie Goldstein. Yeah, yeah. She's not in the photo. I heard that Jackie's, you know.

Her Evan was messing around with the gym. Yeah, yeah. Which I'm like, at the gym, I immediately thought this is a double juicy scoop because I just thought, like, they should. Right?

You're on a gym. Yeah. I didn't think. I didn't think kidding on a girl or helping her do her squats. I just immediately thought, like, you know, you're on Ryan Durin.

Yeah. Yeah. I know that's all room and Kentucky dressed you this sauna is like, oh, yeah. Like, I don't know what I have it. Yeah.

So I was like, oh, my God. I can't believe she's saying that. Well, it was just a rumor. Where did the rumor start? You know, and then sometimes as a cast member, you're like, okay.

So now to get the story off of you or you have no story line. At any moment, so I kind of want to know what you guys think as that. At any moment, I go to the dinner party. I've been on the show for five years. It's the real housewives of, you know, West Lake Village.

And I go and I sit down and I'm like, I mean, I had a rumor that, um, Sasha's husband was seen with, like, a really young gay guy in Port of Arda. Yeah, so that you would most likely have already, like, if you're a town producer, you're already talking to them about like, hey, we're going to try to get this scene with you. You know, at here, XYZ with this amount of people, whatever.

So at that point, if they know that they're going into that scene, like, they're going to be like, oh, in their mind, it's going to be like, am I going to bring this up then, right?

“Like, is this going to be the moment that I'm going to unfold and drop that by?”

So now here's the hypothetical. Yeah. Um, I go do that, okay. And I tell another girl that that this other person is ready on the show. I had a rumor he has a little gay boyfriend, okay.

They were in Port of Arda together. And that girl kind of knows it's true, okay. But she's like, my friend is fine with him having a secret gay lover. But this would destroy her family, the conservative relatives. She didn't want to stay married.

The little gay lover does her hair extensions for free.

Yeah. Yeah.

She doesn't want this out there.

She does not care. She doesn't want to fuck the husband. She's glad he's gay. Like, whatever, but she doesn't want to out this out there. And so the net girl goes.

And she goes to you guys and she's like, cut. Cut. Yeah. Do not put that in. Now what do you do now?

I see. Well, they're air in that ship because that's on camera. So she's already, if she you're blowing up and you're making that. Like, then now they're going to die deep. Real deep.

Yeah. Yeah. If I'm somebody who they're just telling me on the phone and they're like, you know, kind of giving me tidbits. That's for me to say, okay.

Is this something we can push forward? Is this something that feels like there's holes in it? Yeah. It's not adding up. Because sometimes also, like, you got to remember if you're on camera.

And like, you're watching a wife and a husband and their chemistry is completely fucked. And they're not like intimate or they're not seeing each other. You're going to be like, okay, we're a producer. Like, we're going to start pushing holes in this and seeing what's going on here.

“But if on camera, you're showing up making it look like it's the best thing in the world.”

But somebody knows something that the producers don't know. Then that opens up a whole another can of worms for that example, though. You're seeing that. So you're going to push that further, right? Like, you're going to dive in and now get to the bottom of it.

If you're coming in saying Bravo Bravo. I wish that was a real storyline. That's so good. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm sure that honestly, I'm sure that there has been that.

We just haven't seen it. I mean, there's been a couple of questionable relationships on that show. And throughout the cities. But yeah, I mean, for me, it's just hard.

Like, I always felt like so empathetic because I'm like,

Oh, I love these women. Yeah. They show up. They give us, they're all for the most part of the majority of them. They're coming in.

They know it's a paycheck. They're dedicated to it for the most part. And, you know, when they start to feel like you're their outlet. Because if they tell XYZ on the show, they know it's going to become a storyline. So it's like that hard balance where I'm like, oh, you're their friend.

You're their friend, but then you're also like, you know, their coworker. And it's like, how do you navigate that balance of not putting their shit out there and losing their trust? The whole job for that particular role is building trust within somebody. Right?

Feel producers.

“How does someone like, is there a training process for what you do?”

No. There isn't somebody who's like thrown into the world. Yeah. You just kind of figured out you kind of developed your own style. Yeah.

You know, through field producing, segment producing, casting, producing, development, producing, all the above.

And I feel like you never get a full like, okay, let's have a, you know, a training man.

You all that. Yeah. You're not know. You're getting like thrown into, I mean, even casting, right? I mean, there's things where, you know, I've had women.

You know, someone say hypothetically is telling me, I mean, I put this out on social media. You know, one of the shows I was casting for, you know, a woman was referring her friend to come on the show. And this woman told me, like, hey, one of my children is not my husband's biological child. But, you know, this is something that we're not going to talk about. It's just off, you know, camera.

She referred a friend and her friend is now putting that information out there to try to get on the show and make it a storyline. I'm like, that is so fucked because that is like your girl that's your best friend, right? So I'm like, it just examples like that, like, you know, people know what they're doing. It's, it's very hard to navigate that, but. So the friend was like, I have this nugget.

Yeah. And I'm jealous of my friend who's a regular on the show and I want to get on it. Yeah. So if you have me on it, I will throw this nugget bomb at a luncheon. Or if, like, you know, this is going to be, I'm letting you know this because maybe this could be a future story that could unfold.

So is that a problem too, in that the audience after 20 years, who also might want to be cast members, have become so savvy and sophisticated that they're coming and they're, whatever,

“being secret bloggers like Monica of faunties, what was that?”

Reality faunties, yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, maneuvering their weight into it or giving you to secret bloggers or the secret blogger. Or does that make it harder or better? I mean, does that help storyline that we're in this situation?

Does it, I mean, I personally don't like it because it's been done so much now. Yeah. You're going to do, like, it's like the binder of Atharine and you're going to come here, like, give me can you more separately. So, you know, like that is something different. Like, now I hate the same song and dance repeating.

Yeah. So I'm like, listen, I'm not going to stop someone's hustle and get their bag. Like, if you're trying to come on the show, just be quicker and savvy about it.

Like, I had an, you know, we were casting for a show and one of the women found out one of the girls in town was on the show.

She gets my number somehow being a casting producer, I guess it's just now out there.

“And she's like, lambasting this cast member on the show saying, if you want to know XYZ, she's a fraud.”

She's, and to me, it's like, I get, she's mad, but, and it, she probably thinks it's her way of getting on a show. But it's tasteless because I'm like, you're doing something that we've already seen. Like, you're badmouthing somebody saying they're fraud. They cheat on their husband, they're scammer. It's like, come up with something better.

You know, like, I'm just like, give me something more. Come up better than, come up better than a grifting. She kind of, you know, you know, because we already did that. And just kind of, like, telling the cast. Are they vampire?

Yeah, like, give me something fresh. Like, do they take their head off at night and replay? Like, what, you know, order, like, like, what are they doing? I just need something more than this. Like, and, um, yeah, I, I'm not mad at that.

I think, like, if somebody's truly not, uh, forthcoming and they, you know, do half skeletons in the closet. You know, what you're signing up for too.

That's the thing. Like, on these shows, I always say, like, look, you're coming on these shows.

You're doing it. Uh, I just said this recently. It's like, you know, I've talked to like a billionaire's wife on the show. Like, to see if they would go on it. Like, if you really want to be on this type of show, you know what you're getting yourself into.

You know, you're signing up for, um, and it's a huge platform. And I think people, whether they have money or not, they want to do it for the fame. And, you know, these people will sell other people down the river. Because they're like, well, I want my ticket. I want to get on the show.

So I always think the behind the scenes of, like, all the casting stuff. And just the, the trying to get on the show and the tactics like that to me is just so interesting.

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Important disclosure that A-Corns.com/juicySkip. Let's go and talk a little bit about one of the shows I'm watching right now, which is real-half has a Beverly Hills this season. Has been a little criticized as being not very juicy, not very eventful. I, yeah, it a little bit.

I will always watch these women, I'm always like down.

“What do you do when just not a lot's happening with the cast amongst each other?”

And also not a lot of exciting things are happening in the people's lives? I mean, sometimes you have at 50, you have kind of a smooth year. Yeah, yeah, you're fine. Sorry, I'm not remodeling my house. Sorry, my mother has been not cheating.

I'm not getting divorced. You know, my kids are fine. No, my husband's gay secret lover's not adding hair extensions into my hair. Yeah, like literally, I'm my other side career. He's not existing.

I'm not doing Halloween 52. I'm still separated from Maurice, you know, on the fourth year.

Oh, I have a strong opinion on this.

So that's here. Yeah, yeah, okay. Tell me.

“So, and meaning, and so when you said, like, what do you do in those situations?”

This to me all comes back to casting, right? Yeah. The show is hard to cast. I've worked on this. I've casted on this show before.

Yeah, okay. It's hard to cast because the caliber is these women need to check a lot of boxes. You're in LA and Beverly Hills. You represent wealth, affluentness entertainment.

Everyone's, everyone's a little bit besides such.

Um, even I feel like bows being that she was an executive. I mean, everybody on this cast throughout the years are like either entertainment, Hollywood, or entertainment adjacent. Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, perfect example.

She smart. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you come on the show and look, she's on a show with Jimmy Fallon now. She's building this whole print like that to me is the calculation of being smart when you're on a platform like this, right? Um, I feel like it comes down to casting because we just got to accept that the women of Beverly Hills.

They're not friends, like they really aren't. When you watch Salt Lake, you're like these girls love each other like there's something there where they're connected, right? I've been watching. I watched just as much as I work on it. I'm a consumer of it.

And I was like, have the last three episodes just been like three girls filming in the Hamptons by themselves. Yeah. And every scene is like someone just faced timing because the producers are like, okay. Let's get a scene where it makes it look like you guys are communicating. So yeah.

Yeah, because it just feels so disjointed. Then I feel like Amanda's just in her house by herself and like everybody hates her. And I'm like, what is that? Like, what is going on? It just is like no one's connected at all. Yes.

“Um, and I think that's what's really hard because you want to have a boom moment.”

You want to have a Lisa Rina, Argers Garsell. You want to have a Rachel Zow? You stole my fucking house. Yeah. Like, you know, like you want to have the star power of wearing those type of women in their heavy hitters.

They represent Beverly Hills, but when Rachel Zow doesn't know anybody in the cast and it feels disjointed. It's like, well, yeah, that's why nobody's no fight to really happening. Um, and so I would say if I was a producer now I'm having to deal with casting decision on that. Now it falls on me to be like, okay, what is the story, right? What can we bring out of these women? What is actually happening? And it's how much those women are willing to go there and put out there.

That's why I said like, people are hitting on Amanda. I kind of like her because I'm like, I mean, without Amanda, this girl would really be struggling. I like a girl that comes in and it's like just making people mad for just being them. Like, I love a delusional housewife. I love somebody who's all mana manifestation whatnot.

But, um, yeah, without her, there would be nothing. I mean, but I do think it is interesting and relatable that, you know, at one time, you know, Mauricio and Kyle and P.K. and Dorit had this great for some friendship that we saw. This was the couples, and this happens in life, not only do one of them break up, but you all break up. But then Kyle and Mauricio are having their cake and eating it too and eating each other.

I mean, they're just to stay married, getting along like, you know, half brother and sister or something like,

And I'm like, listen, she doesn't want to split up the houses. Why would she? Why would she? Why would he, when he can have another apartment show up at all the houses, be good with the daughters, fuck young women, and just go, who, who open the show and like laugh,

and she doesn't seem to care because she's probably been checked out for years. And now she bought a place in Tennessee. Listen, he's not getting divorced because he makes his realms being married to her. He's been on Rojas, but Tom, I keep it on. It's like the best thing ever, and I just think you're like, yeah.

You know, yeah, why, why would you, I mean, I always said they're not going to get divorced until one of them truly falls in love with somebody else.

And that lover, partner, is like, pull the trigger. This isn't working, yeah, like we're not doing this anymore.

“And that's why I think the whole like secret of love affair with Morgan Wade had to be a secret of love affair because they were getting divorced.”

Yeah. And, you know, and now she's just like, okay, well, I'll, you know, walk around and I'll talk about Doree and P.K. Which in real life, you would be talking about Doree and P.K with your friends. Yeah, of course. Yeah, your friends are either close friends going through divorce.

Someone gets up from the table and you're like, oh, do you like her new boyfriend? You wouldn't be for me. I mean, I'm, I live this life without cameras. Yeah, yeah. That's what you would do.

Yeah. So it's like, oh, well, you shouldn't be talking about that. Well, that's that is reality. And like if it's not juicy enough for you. I think it, I think you can, what's good is that even though it's like a simple story line, it's not.

You stole my goddamn house. It was going to rehab, but it is like, I miss this piece. Give us people at home to go. Is should Kyle shut the fuck up? Yeah.

“Is Kyle actually being concerned for her friend, which I believe.”

Does she even like to read it all? Should Doree be annoyed that they're talking about her or not? Um, I mean, I just kind of feel like, do you, like, I'm over kind of the story. I like, I get why we get over. Yeah.

But that's where I feel like it's such a hard job because as someone who loves it as a fan, also makes it part of my content. Yeah. And talks about it. I all, I sympathize with the producers.

I sympathize with the lady at home who's bored. I sympathize with the person living life who's like, Again, I'm sorry. It's my life. You want me to create something you want me to file for divorce when I really don't want to.

It would not serve me at this time in my life. Maybe in two years. I will, maybe in ten years.

I will maybe I never will.

Yeah. Maybe we'll be grandparents together and call it a fucking day. I don't know.

“Well, that's why I think it's such a tricky show, right?”

Because I think if you loot, I'm like, look back and I'm like, going through each one. I'm like, well, so if you lose Kyle, Kyle, you can't lose Kyle. Because at this point, it would feel like nothing is there, right? Right. It would just feel empty.

But the thing is now, what I realized over time and just the way that the housewives have been moving forward is that they want to skew younger because when you look at it now, Sutton, she's not married. She doesn't have her kids really in on the show. I mean, who else is on it now?

You have Amanda who fits what they are looking for because she's got young kids. Young kids is like 40. Exactly. Yeah, you see more of that.

Erica, you don't see, she has her kids never been on the show.

She's not married. You don't even see the guy that she's dating. She's not married. She's not married anymore. Rachel, though.

I just realized we haven't seen the kids in it this season. I don't know, that's something they agreed together. I haven't really seen, I don't think they talked about them. But I feel like we don't see them. Not that we need to see them.

You know, well, that's the thing with these shows. It's like, what is it? They just, that they don't have, like when you fall in love with housewives, it's because you had access inside their home. You got to see their day-to-day waking up, taking the kids.

Yeah, I remember one of the first years with Kyle and when I had Kyle and my show, I remember I said this. And at the time, you know, I had little kid. And I just remember she's putting Porsche to sleep. Who's like two and a half.

And when you have a little kid like that, you know, they let's lay down with me Mommy and she's having a party. She wants to get back to the party. And so she's like laying there. And she's like rolling out of the bed down the hallway so that the kid doesn't wake up.

And that's funny. Yeah, that's when I, yes, you know what I mean? It's like, and the problem is is when the kids start not being on the show anymore, you're, I mean, I'm not a mom or a woman, so I can't speak on it. But you could, I mean, you're like, changes.

Like you're, you're not at home as much maybe. You're not as involved in those type of day-to-day things. So what do you have going on in your life?

So it's like, yeah, how hard is that for a producer to try to pull those things out of it, right?

I mean, I just feel like for this particular city. It's been kind of the same storyline. Something like the merging of like, like, I feel like for the, for the good cities that are like the cities, also a character like New York and Beverly Hills where you just won't get tired of it,

because you see these beautiful, like, do you think you'll ever be a time where they kind of just do Beverly Hills, and they keep OGs and women at that age, and then it's like Beverly Hills 2.0. I don't know.

I think the route that they're going to go forward more is new cities, new cities, because I think you get less money for the women. Because everyone's starting off at a lower pay rate. Yeah, less money. And it's a way to skew younger in terms of getting to see,

you know, you know, you like, you know, you know, Kyle and you love Kyle because you grew up watching her, right? So it's like, I've watched her kids grow up when you see Porsche's like, 21 years old taking shots at the bar now.

“I'm like, you're like, oh, my gosh, I remember when she was in a diaper on the show, right?”

Right.

So you're like, holy shit.

So you feel very connected to the, you know, as an audience member watching it. So I think my take would be, oh, new cities, fall in love with new people, and they start to build momentum.

I mean, Salt Lake had like, you know, a rough start. I think, you know, in terms of the fan base, and then it took a couple years for really to pop. But I foresee that happening with new cities and new cities, pop and like Salt Lake.

Yeah, yeah. I think it just makes more sense. I mean, this brand, it's a brand. Anytime you see the real house by stamped on it, you're going to watch it.

Right. So let's talk about ladies of London. There's just two episodes out. I think it airs right after real house was Beverly Hills. Yeah, yeah.

So there, we, there's two out. And I'm obsessed. It was brilliant. The way they marketed this. So I'm giving Bravo props.

Like I always do though. I wish I'd get some props. Yeah. Um, but I thought I talked to get that for you. I don't know.

I turned out what should have been alive, and Bose was on next to. Um, I'm learning everyone's name. Oh, yeah, there's this girl with a pony. Um, Micah.

Oh, Micah. Yeah, Micah. Yeah, Derek. They had the falling out. Right.

And so right when it starts. And he goes. Um, no one was last time. We talked to Derek.

She never came back to the show.

I'm saying, Derek. I think it's Derek, right? I, I don't know. But so, and she never coming back to the show. And, um, you know, she's done in the poster.

And I immediately go, oh, my God. London started airing. I didn't even know. I immediately went over to peacock and watched those two episodes. Because I'm like something went down where a cast member left after two episodes.

Like I was like, that is juicy. Yeah. So I watched the two episodes. And, um, you know, this, they're not calling it real housewives. Do you know why?

Uh, because there is a real housewives of London. And they didn't, they just want to start fresh. Yeah, well, because I think for them in the culture that we're kind of living in, most shows that are breaking through our shows that either have original IP of some sort, right? Like you already are familiar with it.

Like, okay.

“I always say like the only thing in my mind that has really stuck out in it,”

own form is, uh, secret lives of Mormon wives because. Right. That's just like lightning in a bottle on a show, right? Yeah. But like the shows like ladies of London.

Yeah. You're already familiar because you know that there was already a series on Bravo before. Yes. And I like, oh, let's see what it looks like. Um, so that is my take of why it's just a ladies of London.

Also, I think a ladies, so the ladies of London, so you, so that could be. We could now do ladies of Chicago. Yeah. We could do ladies up. I think it's brilliant.

Yeah. Because if so many times they're not housewives. They're not married. They're not straight. Mm-hmm.

And now we actually have a man on the show. Uh-huh. I think the show is, I think the star of the show, kind of the anchor because he's friends with everybody. He's really funny. He's dry.

He's a real kind of like you could just tell us a cast. My like he knows like he's like, hey, let's drive this to the end.

“So, and I think that's the way it should go.”

I think if real housewives, I think should stay a cast of women. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think some things, we just, you know, they're not perfect. We just gotta have. But I like this ladies of London thing where it's just, it's predominantly still women.

But you, a guy doesn't just have to be the best friend that comes in and out. Like he can actually be a real person because he really is hanging out with these women and everything. Yeah. And of course he's so funny and everything. Um, I feel like they used to do that back in the day on healthwives.

Like, I mean, the gay wasn't like the local point.

Yeah, they had, oh my gosh, she was, oh my gosh, she was like, The one guy, one had she bones at one. Dwight. Yeah, Dwight.

“You banged and then it was like the hairdresser that was like Lawrence.”

Yes, whatever. Yes. And so, but this, but I kind of, this was a really good casting.

And, you know, I've never even been to London, but again, gorgeous, gorgeous city.

Yeah. There's a lot to look at. So it just kind of transports you into a beautiful place. And these people are different. Yeah.

And there's a, well, like half this American, which I also like. And I can't tell who's who, but I was like, I don't even need to know who's who. Because if you have a premiere like that was, I'm like, I'm just locked in and I'm going to figure it out along the way. Right. And I was confused in the beginning between the two older women.

One that lives with a bird and one that looks like she has smeared lipstick. Kimmy and Margot. Yeah, that was those two. Yeah. Kimmy and the green, right?

So I'm like, those two were interchangeable. Then there's three. Brunette, like a bottle actress. Missy. I like her.

That's the, that's the one who blew the whistle on Darryl. I like her. She's gorgeous. You know. And then there's this beautiful black woman who's like, looks like Tandy Newton.

And who has, you know, some type of royalty. I don't even care if she's boring. Yeah. I just like to look at her. And I like her outfits and I like that she like lives in a castle.

Anyway, the micah story. So now I'm going to blow up the micah story for you. So too bad. But you know, you can watch it. So Micah has this friend.

And she's American. And she is kind of an influencer that's talking about etiquette. Uh-huh. And she is this friend who she's like, oh my god, we're your best friends in college. And she's this beautiful Asian woman.

We don't even know her name. And she's actually architect. And they are cutting it so brilliantly where the dark girl is like, oh my barely knew my Con college. We're not really friends.

And then they have this blow up scene where it's called out at the dinner. That Dara has called Micah cringe and like Ben kind of nasty about her.

And she just basically goes, this isn't for me.

And it's like, it's like, it's great. I mean, because now I'm like, oh, we're we're still not even in the story. Like the two episodes are just about this. Yeah. No spoiler alert.

But yeah, I mean, it completely takes a complete turn. Because now we're like, oh, that wasn't even fully getting into the story. That's like now one and done. Like we're related to the Dara because I'm like, if I was cruel and talked shit about my friend and was called out on it on camera.

And I didn't need to do this job. I think I might do the same thing. I might be like, just get me out. People will forget about it. And people will.

“If this becomes a hit, people are going to remember that girl in a year or”

the same thing. No, I don't. And then, but what I thought was really crazy in this day and age of obscene files. Is that the rumor they drop in the first episode? Is that same woman, Dara, who was a bitch to make a is a matter.

Yes, she's an alleged mystery. Yeah. And a matter. Now, this could be funnier 10 years ago when there was a happy hooker. And there were the girls that were hooker lights.

And there was the Heidi flies. But now it's all negative. Yeah. Not one person wants to be a hooker unless they're only fans. And they do it themselves.

Everyone's traffic.

We never used the word traffic before.

So it's like, if she's being accused of this. Like setting people up. Well, that's it's a time that it's like you want to watch a pair. You want to watch a pair. Yeah, you're seeing it.

And I'm like, oh my god. And then the fact that that Dara will be like. It was like, well, it's not true. So I don't. Well, that's the thing, too, is that I said see when that's that first of all, great casting because I need to me. I'm like, somebody had to reveal that there was a, you know,

suspicion that she was in a ledge mad on if that's already coming out. Like the first one or two episodes, right? So like that to me is great casting.

“But for this, I think that's the problem is like running away from the cameras and doing that.”

Now they're breaking the fourth wall, which is what I love because I think it gives more insight on what actually, like you're seeing the producers hiding behind the back with the little monitor, you know, in the kitchen when she comes in and she's like, I'm done. I'm out, you know, and I think that to me is. And what's crazy when I heard about that she left the show.

Yeah, I'm starting to watch it. I'm like, oh, well, she's going to be like, you're accusing me of being a fucking man. I'm like, I'm out. Yeah. No, it was just she was being accused of being like a shitty friend or a shitty person.

The, the madam is probably the most flattering thing they said. Yeah, you're like, oh my god. Well, that's the thing, too, right? Is that she came in. She obviously does well for herself financially.

She came in for the fame. And I'm like, what possess this woman to come into a show where she's getting called a madam, and this is like, we're not talking about like, I'm like, girl, that's child's play and housewives world.

“You know, if you get called a, a madam, a hooker, like, we, what did you think about it?”

Because I thought, if someone said, like, I just had someone recently say, I heard that you, you know, someone told me you said this about me. Okay. I did a little message. I'm like, you got to, you got to message from a troll. We're talking about, yeah, outside of when we've brought around the show together.

It's just, and what they said, I said, was never anything I've ever said about anybody.

It's, it's typical mean girl shit. It just, if you listen to me, if chat GPT, if you ask chat GPT, what's something mean how they would say about it? It wouldn't be that because they would have taken everything of said for 10 years. And given the right answer, I'm like, this just isn't something I've said. I did immediately, like, correct this girl and going, just can you look where the source is.

Yeah. Because I didn't want this person to go to bed feeling that I would do. I was like, I know how it feels to be trolled by a troll and it's all made up. Just so they just were like, just want to fuck with people. Yeah.

So I'm always the one that's like, I'm always saying that about juicy crimes too. Like, when someone's being accused of murder, I'm like, and they're just sitting there and they don't take the stand. I'm like, I think I'd be like, I'm like, you're like, you're going to fight for it. Oh, no. But I thought it was like a very weird reaction when it came out.

When the Micah Girls goes, look, they were talking at this party that you're a madam. And she's like, I know, you're right. I know it was like, it was very weird. Yeah. Either you knew this scene was coming.

Uh-huh. Or you have heard this before. Or something, not that you were it and making a commission. But maybe there was something in your past where you did. Well, the--

Introduce somebody to some situation that was a situation ship involving money. I don't know. Well, the producers had to like, there's no way that this would have been brewing. And she would have no idea that this would have been the thing.

“Because I think Micah brought it up to her on camera, remember?”

Yeah. And she was like, oh, well, someone told me like she deflected it. So she just gave me the vibe of she was somebody who probably was like difficult to work with in terms of like, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm going to completely shut down.

And you can't go on to show like this and shut down. Yeah. Like, that's just not how it works. Because you're going to need to defend yourself. You're going to need to push back.

You're going to need to talk about uncomfortable things. I mean, the thing with Micah came up to her. I was like, can we talk about it? No, babe. But I love you.

Yeah. It was like the weirdest thing. I'm like, what is this? Like, it just was like a Jesus and Judas. Oh, my God.

You're so bizarre. But I was like, I'm interested. I want to see like, I want more. But that to me, which is somebody who came in, not knowing what this world entails. Yeah.

And signed up for something that she thought was just going to be like ringbow as a butterflies. And I'm like, that's not it, girl. Like, if you know you're signing up for a show like this. And you know what also makes me excited about this. It's like the same way when people write me and they're like,

okay, we're doing our girls we can in a lay. And besides, you know, going to whatever this restaurant meant, whatever, like, we do places, we should we go, whatever. This makes me go. I definitely like want a plan.

Like a girl's trip to London since I've never been.

Yeah. And I want to go to that Asian restaurant. All the bots that they bought. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's enough money because people do that in LA all the time. They're like, let's go to Sir and I'm like, okay. And now we're like, no, let's go to London and do this. I'm like, I'm down.

I actually would be really fine. It would be really fun. Anyway, everyone should watch it. I think it's a real fresh show. Now, there's rumors that real housewives of Miami is on an indefinite pause

or not coming back. What can you give us any inside scoop? I don't believe that to be true because I feel like there's no way that they would just pull the plug on this.

“I think what this comes down to again, casting.”

You need women. First of all, the people love Dr. Nicole.

She's never coming back to the show.

I know. She doesn't want to. And then you get somebody with like money like Stephanie, who's been vocal about saying, I don't know if I would put myself into that again.

Todd has a lawsuit out against Bravo apparently. But then she's back with him. Yeah. So I just think, and then also, you know, you got to look at it.

Larissa, not married. Kids are older. Adriana, kids are older, not married.

I mean, Lisa, she's going through divorce has young kids.

But see, I see you just saying all that. I remember him. I, I think they're all great.

“Like, I think it, I say, bring them back.”

Like, I feel like they're all like. I love it. I wish I was the, like, I don't make the, this is for like my understanding of just like where the, the connection of where viewers don't like.

I mean, they have a cult following. But like, it's not here. It's not a skyrocketing. You know, and I think it comes down to. Just connection of the women and not having real story.

I mean, like, how many times can you watch Lisa go, you know, date date. And then fight fight with, yeah, fight with Larissa. Yeah, Alexia. And it's Miami, too, right? Like, it's a heart.

It's like Beverly Hills, another city that it's hard. Because you've got a lot of people who may be. You know, they're like, look, the part, but do they actually fit the bill? Like, you can look the part. But do you have the financial means to live that lifestyle?

Are you really connected to these women by any ounce of degree of separation to connect them to each other? Um, and, you know, do you really have the personality where you can stay? I kind of get me thinking, like, with the Rhode Island coming and stuff. And this success of Salt Lake City.

Even though I was sort of like not overly into Dallas. And I don't really miss it. Because I felt like there wasn't, I don't know. It's really about the people. So it's like, but I wonder, yeah, if the city's almost too big.

And the characters in an art and big enough or something. Like, it kind of has to fit. Yeah. Like the city has to be the right size.

And the connection always has to be real, which is why like New Jersey.

And, you know, the sisters, how it originally started was such a hit. What do you think will happen with New Jersey? We keep waiting to hear what's going on there. Same thing. I think they, I think the network has been so used to turn and burn.

Like, you know, they New Jersey infamous for that. I mean, they filmed a reunion while they were still filming a season at one point. Like, they would just crunch these bad boys out. I think now, because they know that other cities are coming. They have other shows, a lot more shows on their slate.

They don't need to turn these shows out the way that they used to. And actually, think for a show like this, it's been official more time as pass because then you can get pass. Okay, we're not doing another Teresa versus Melissa thing. They made a man, they know what they're doing. You know, and it kind of lets things cool off a little bit.

And I also think another city that's hard to cast just because we'll state the cast. Because, you know, who is really connected? Who fits that bill? You have really strong stars on the show.

I mean, Teresa alone is, I mean, a story of Margaret.

You have Melissa, you have Dolores, like those are heavy hitters. So it's like, where do those girls stack to?

“And then you have to think they age part of it, too, right?”

Who are the women that are coming in with young kids? They did try to do it the season. I don't know. I mean, they didn't. Yeah, it didn't land.

I feel like for the viewers with these two, because I think the tree symbolists is stuff with so dark again. Yeah. It'll come back. They're not going to cancel New Jersey. They're not going to cancel Miami either.

I think it comes. I mean, I'm saying this. 100% know, but am I good? I can't imagine that they would let these shows go. To me, it's all about good casting and taking their time with it.

Yeah. Oops. I, uh, yeah. I think it's interesting that they, they just picked plucked Dolores out to go and spend a summer in Rhode Island. Yeah.

We'll see. That's where I think she has a genuine connection. Okay. Yeah. To one of the women.

And I feel like that is a smart move. Yeah. Them doing that because I even feel like. Uh, oh, uh, the New York reboot. Carol is now has been announced to be in the mix of it.

And I'm like, oh, okay.

“This is really smart and, and a good tactic because you bring in that core audience of like that legacy of what you liked of the show, right?”

Like you like Carol because she really fit in New York. You feel like you know her. Same thing with Dolores. You feel like you know her. You do know her.

You watch her on traders. Do jersey all these years. You put her in a new city. Then you're like, oh, there's something there. It's different than just plucking brand new people and throwing them to the wolves.

I think it's like maybe a new tactic that Robo's using. If like, let's give some IP of people that we know already and then build a show around that in a way, right? Yeah. When does Rhode Island come out? April 2nd.

Oh, and then the valley comes out then too, right? Like April 1st or something. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be an exciting situation.

Okay. Going back to Real House has Beverly Hills. What happens when you have like the friend? Like Natalie goes. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Like poor girl. Natalie goes. It's just there. Yeah.

And she goes to Italy.

And I don't know if like she never pops during the season.

And they can't like really cut around her. But then, you know, it's like she shows up one day. And she's like, I had a happy ending by a man and I'm the saw. And I'm like, when they did that, it was like, we don't get girl. That's the first time I ever heard you talk.

I felt like that was so planned. Yeah. And it's like, it's not even original like joke or story or anything. I know. And it's kind of gross.

But you can't even be mad at her because if nothing, you are. But the audience, I feel like in terms of saying like, Oh, you know, why, why she like try to be provocative. Or why she just so boring. It's like, that's just they're not given her enough airtime or she didn't pop or she just.

They cut out all her other interesting stuff or whatever. And like, but I'm sure like, she maybe had a story like that. And they're like, tell that story because like all the women will die. But I also want to say that story. Like sometimes I wonder like, you know, some some guy that's producing it.

Maybe heard that and thought that was like, oh my god. A woman getting a happy ending.

It's like, there was a whole story line on sex in the city about that in which, you know,

I was written by men where Kim Gutrial like gets kicked out of the spa. Because she keeps going back for happy. Yeah. But also, did someone at home, honestly, I don't want to think about it. Like, it that's gross.

You don't like it. I don't like it. You don't. I don't think it's that we're Heather McDonald draws the line on house. Yeah, I get like, it's in a gay world.

It's like a real good. Yeah, but for women. But for a woman to think that you're like getting a massage. That guy just starts to like, dilly your bean and you're like, I didn't really know how.

I'm divorced. Like, there's just something about it. That's like, I don't know. I mean, nobody even really made a big deal out of it. And I haven't until now.

“I just think like, that's the only thing we're going to remember.”

This work girl.

I'm about getting a happy ending.

I don't know. I didn't even know what a woman's happy in. Like, I know guy, I mean, I'm gay. I live in West Hollywood. I don't know what a happy ending is for any guy.

There's a, of course, a dick. There's something you do with it. But I didn't know with girls. Like, I was like, oh, like, do what? Like, I didn't know.

That was a real thing. I went to a place. I'd go to a massage place. I mean, I assume it's he's massaging you. And then he starts, you know, getting to a place where you then orgasm.

Whatever that is, I figure with, you know, finger you whatever. And, you know, and then I'm a scott and sold it. I put my friend on to a place. We're not going to an out the knee. But it's a place close by that I go to for they've given me legit massages.

I've been like, oh, my gosh, I feel like a new person. My friend has gone to about four different people. Get to happy ending every time he goes. And I'm like, do I take this personally? Like, why are they not doing this to me?

“Like, why are you getting every person on the roster?”

I think there is a, I thought there was like an unwritten rule hint. Where it's like, you kind of say, you kind of say, I thought it was like, do you want that? And then you either, like, for men at like places that do both, just legit massages.

I one time was somewhere in Insino. And I had like an hour to kill. And I've been like a square thing. And I see like the little, you know, cat waving, you know, like, yeah, you can place whatever.

And I'm like, I, like, love a massage. I don't care if it's like a random spot, whatever. So I go in and it's like all covered up and everything. And the lady comes out and she's like, hello. And I'm like, oh, hi.

I wanted to get a massage and they're like, no. And so then I realized, oh my god, this is a legit sex shop. Oh, like it was like, they're not going to take me. They're all. Yeah.

Only want men. Give the happy ending pay more than the 42 dollars for the massage. And they're like, oh, because I, yeah. Like, like, because what I go into those trip mom places. They're totally legit.

Yeah. Get a massage. And there might be somebody in a caught lady next to me getting a massage. But I'm like, whatever. Yeah.

It's not the price. Yeah. But yeah. I just thought that was just such a weird thing. And then I feel kind of bad.

Because like, this is what she's going to be remembering. Yeah. And I, it doesn't. And then someone made a video about like, oh, so I'm sorry.

All the after show and she's sitting there. They're like, why is she on the after show? She must pop later than this is what I'm thinking. Yeah.

“If you want to hear my hot take that take is that I'm thinking.”

She doesn't pop that what what happens sometimes on these shows is that somebody can come in as a full time cast member. Yeah. And it just the cards don't pan out for you. Like I had somebody on a franchise who started off full time. They could not give the story that they promised.

And they were just became a friend of they were. You know, when you say that without getting yourself in trouble. Give the story promised. What's an example hypothetically. Like, let's do a hypothetical.

So you're not revealing. Yeah. Yeah. I tell you something in our interviews.

She's great. However on. Yeah. Like what would be a story that then I don't deliver. My husband is going to be on camera.

We have this great relationship and it's thriving. You know, I'm working on rebuilding my relationship with my sibling and my parents. Parents don't want to be on camera, siblings don't want to be on camera. Husband doesn't want to be on camera. You're like, I mean, what are we showing you knitting?

And you know, like, what are we going to do at this point? You know, it's like, well, I love Sutton. But the other day her scene was watching her. I know. TV with the three cats in a dog.

And I always felt like.

I always felt that as a viewer and as someone that knows TV.

Like they shared to show that they showed that part. They just did do it just to kind of like fuck her a little bit. To kind of be like, well, there's nothing going on. If if you are not back next season, it's because you maybe couldn't deliver those things.

Which is unfortunate because sometimes you do like I said, get to a certain age. And if you're not dating anyone and you're not and your kids don't live with you. And they're not particularly like wanting to be on the show or face time every day and tell you about their exciting thing or how do you be stressed about them? Yeah, it's like what are you going to do?

What are you going to do?

“Well, that's why I think with Natalie it's either something was promised or things were just so boring”

that they brought her in there with the assumption of like maybe she'll make it pop and give a little more. And it's either that she got overshadowed or they brought her in and she didn't pop the way that they thought she was going to pop. But that's disappointing because I think this season they needed someone like that to really make it happen. So, so hypothetically, do you keep Amanda? If I was producing this?

Yes. Oh, yeah, I'm keeping her absolutely like I just like I like somebody that can come on a show and just make bitches mad just for being them like that to me is just hysterical. If they're really toxic behind the scenes or whatever like let that come to light. But like she is, I think she said that she's just but she's getting a reaction and that's important.

Oh, my gosh, I think it's so amazing.

I just love when someone just comes in and it just likes people up and they just get mad. And right now, it just feels like her against everybody. Yeah. Kyle is just like probably holding on because Kyle's been through the ropes. It's like been through the ringer of no end.

This girl is going to get next season off if I don't jump in and help her out, right? So she's her only real friend at this point. Which I kind of like to, I kind of like her being like, well, we are supposed to give opinions about each other and then you're mad that she's giving opinions about you like what else are we doing on the fucking show? Exactly.

So I kind of like that there's been more like moments like that. Like our job is to talk about our lives and talk about each other. The other thing is sadly Rachel Zoe was robbed. And now, you know, I talked about this on the show. Yeah, so she was robbed.

Kathy Hilton, while her husband was there was robbed. Kyle has been robbed, Doritos been robbed, Garcel has had two SWAT situations where someone calls the SWAT team to our house.

“What do you, has that ever been an issue in that you're showing these people's homes?”

I mean, but on the other flip side of it, everyone can find your address. Yeah. You know, so unless you live in high security, gay to community, people could drive up to your house. It could take a photo of the outside of your house. Even if you're doing a false house on the outside, like they did the Kardashians for so many years.

Yeah, I mean, Rihanna's house, too. It just happened. That was horrific. So, I mean, does that ever, is that ever a discussion? Yeah.

And then you're supposed to show your goods and show that you're wealthy. I know.

Well, that's the problem is that they want you to show this.

But then there's a really bad side of it when you're putting it out there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we know they're at Bravo Condor in this weekend. So let's go and rob it.

Like, I mean, that's really unique. I mean, there's something, sure, even if you don't post in real time. Um, being like, I'm at this restaurant and you actually take your photos and you do it. Oh, yeah, you know, now I'm back. Here was my great weekend at Watchrooms Live.

You're watching, have it's live. Yeah. You might have to be feeling right now, but you're feeling two hours go. Which means you're not in LA. I've seen that in real time.

There was one time we were in Vegas and I saw a housewife there. And I was like, "Wait, is that her?" Oh, yeah, that is her, but I'm watching her story and her stories that she's posting at her house. She's there, but I'm like, "Oh, no, she's here." That's very good.

That's smart. And then I saw a couple days later as when she posted that she was in Vegas. And I'm like, "Oh, that's probably because she was back home at that point." That is very smart. Um, but sometimes you're too big.

I'm sorry, you're on a show. You're on a show. Yeah. You're on a New York show. Mm-hmm.

And people know you're scum. People really can. I mean, I guess I was saying, like, you know,

“Yeah, I think that's another thing people need to consider.”

When they go on a real-house, I've shown. Then on the case of Potomac, they jumped on the being robbed.

You're like, "You're like, "You can't make this shit up, right?"

I mean, they were never robbed.

Um, and then they said we were robbed. And then they added things to, um, Well, to your point about the house exterior shots. There were moments specifically when I worked on interpump rules when a lot of the cast members were starting to make money

and they were buying all their houses in the valley. Um, and they were, a lot of them were like, "We don't want exterior shots of our house." Because those houses aren't in a gated community. They're just like right off the street.

I mean, granted, some of those houses too were off the street, too. I mean, they might have big gates and Beverly Hills, but I mean, Sutton lives on a main road. Yeah. So it's like, we see it.

Um, but yeah, that has been a point of people. Like, I don't know if I want my full exterior of my house out there. But that's a big thing. Like, in casting, like, you're looking,

“you're like, what does your house look like, right?”

Like, that's a big thing. They want to know if you are walking the walk, you're talking the talk. Like, so I feel like that is the housewives brand of like seeing, like you're saying,

what do you live like, what is your lifestyle?

But, um, I feel like the future that could be a big thing for people not wanting to put that out there now. That's what was so funny about this, pretty woman on ladies of London. That she lives in, like, a fucking hobbit house.

Oh, my, oh, the one the bird. Yeah, she lives with a bird. It's like a tiny, the most tiny. I don't even know how the carer man fit in there. The paint's peeling on the roof.

But then she had everywhere. But then I'm like, super intrigued with her life story. Oh, yeah. Because she's like, oh, I had all this money. And then I got nothing.

And now I'm like, I live with a bird. And like, I was like, there's something there. Yeah, as long as it's honest, I don't care. That's how I feel too. That's why it's hard.

Like, there have been women. I'd rather see someone live poorly, but have an interesting story. Then someone to act and buy all the fake shit and act like they're rich.

So happy you're saying that because when there have been projects that I've worked on where if their house doesn't look the part, they're not in the mix. Like, that's a deal breaker. Like, if your house doesn't look a certain way,

“like, it's like, well, what makes this real house wise?”

Why would you come on here? And I agree. I'd rather see somebody live. It may be a more modest home. But then, and the bigger picture is like, does that take away

the image of house wise? Because what do you think of house wise? It's women who live or particular life. You know, an affluent life, an expensive life. So it's like, well, if she's living in the house that,

you know, the kid that I graduated high school with just bought, you know, it's like, what does that really mean anything? But I agree with that. Because then I think it's like, as long as you're like, and interesting and you're like, as long as you're doing the job,

you're clever, you're funny, you have an interesting point of view. You're fun to watch on TV because whether you're attractive or both, or you know how to put it up together or it. And you actually have a real connection to these other women.

I mean, like Gina, people always criticize it.

I don't know. I don't know. She's not rich. Yeah, she is. So what?

Like, you know what I mean? She's done. Yeah. She's funny in the confessional. She's interesting.

Like, oh, she's to me. I feel like she's become somebody, like, full, like, like, full, like, she knows her job now, like, she's great. Like, I think she's actually-- I think it's--

“Oh, I think what people forget is that it's just all subjective.”

It's entertainment. Yeah. You were not hiring people to work at the factory. Yeah. Well, you're like, well, you're supposed to know how to work a 25-inch screw

or something like, there's no criteria. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's just like, no rules apply in entertainment. Just be fucking entertaining.

Well, I think the thing of what they do is, that's the friend of role. Right. You can get a brandy-gland vote. Brandy did not live, like, the rest of the--

They're really holes leading them. Yeah. What did they do? They're like, you're going to be a friend of, right? Because--

Do you mean afterwards? Because she became a regular. Well, yeah, she did. Yeah. But that's because she proved herself as a friend of course.

And now she's like, you're saying that's like, she's quick. Savvy, witty. But she did not live in a very aspirational life in terms of financials. Yeah.

And I think that's what they do. Because then their point would be, well, if we just let anybody with, you know, a regular house, or regular lifestyle, then that's just now. It's a free-for-all.

Anybody can join the show. But I kind of feel like that is, Salt Lake. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, you know, Meredith comes off wealthy and Lisa says she's wealthy.

But like Whitney lives in like a cute normal house and always has. Yeah. I mean, Monica, that I loved when she came on for the sake of her house was like a regular, regular house.

Like it was just a cute, yeah. Yeah. And nice, but she definitely-- And she was honest about it. That's what I liked about it.

Like, hey, this is not the type of lifestyle I live, you know? Right. Yeah. Well, this has been so much fun. I thoroughly have enjoyed being on the show.

Thanks for having me. And we can talk about housewives all the time, so you'll have to come back. Please, let me come back. And tell everybody where they can follow you,

because you give good TikTok and insight and funny. I, yeah, follow me. Just my name on TikTok and Instagram, Paul Royston. And I have a podcast with my mom, where we talk about these Hollywood stories,

And that is at Hold On. I'm calling my mom.

“So we have a podcast that we record every week.”

And drop every Monday.

So yeah, that's a great song.

I love it. Thank you.

Well, thank you so much for coming.

Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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I'll be in Salt Lake City, March 20th and 21st.

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