Side Stories: Only Files w/ Jena Friedman

Side stories?

Let's run the cannon for some started.

Side stories? Yes. Oh no, no, no, no, no. I don't know how to try. I want to kiss the man. Whoa, whoa. Love to kiss the man. Oh, we're recording. Oh great. Kiss the man. I love to kiss the man. You would. You love kiss and man. And I know it. Because we're on the road this weekend Indianapolis and Urban. Illinois. Oh my god. My kiss and man in a band. I don't want to kiss man in a band. I'm less of course. You bought the VIP ticket. Yeah, and then we're going to change our band's name to a man. Because we're going to be sucking tongues off of the dudes in your city. This is a great intro. I'm a suck a tongue. I'm a suck a tongue again, but you have to buy a ticket to side stories live. We have about 50 tickets left apparently. So let's get those fuckers sold. Let's have some fun and let's fucking suck some goddamn man. We're going to suck some mad math.

“And we're here, second man, math every week here on side stories. I'm your host, Henry Zabrowski. I'm sitting here with the filled with man, mouth at Larson.”

Whoa. I don't like it. We're already going to get completely. We've already gotten complaints about the mouth noises. Well, your noises of your view eating mouth with your mouth. Yeah. The whole show is mouth noises technically. The show doesn't exist without mouth noises. What is talking about mouth noises? Exactly. By the way, big news today. I'm the after the old Larson Rosen now. Yes, our boys losing his balls today or he's getting clipped. Good. Relu, he's done dude. I'm glad he's got his balls already happened by this point. Champs getting his balls removed too. Everybody. That means not a single man in this room is testicles. That's right. And it's really nice. That's right man. I swallowing mine years ago. Hey, got to.

Anything if I can cut down on some of the eat my friend. But you know, doesn't have to worry about getting rid of their balls. I did want to do a bit of a follow up because I asked a question to the audience about ball torture. Yes, because of the story we were talking about people that get their balls to it.

I believe this and I never got to it because I got a dumb that reached out and said because I also didn't know because I was talking about CBT,

which is cognitive behavioral therapy that I go through. And then I saw this email that was like CBT and it was like, Oh, it's just going to be about and then I clicked on it. And it was all about how much kicking and tugging balls can take.

“And then I realized, Oh, CBT's also short for combined ball torture, cock and ball torture, cock and ball torture. Yes, so you should tell your therapist that he was going to. Oh, yeah,”

you don't think it's my opener. You know, I think that's not what I'm leading with hardcore. I'm going to gox and balls have been through here today. It's funny that I'm Wikipedia. There are like, make sure you want to click on the right, CBT. Oh, they're different. But basically, this dumb came out and he said that they did research and how much you can torture somebody's balls. And you can apparently, it takes 110 pounds of pressure to rupture a testicle. And a lot of times, the girls either pull back or like whenever the dom's going to do it,

I think you, thank you, Rob, the Wikipedia for cock and ball torture does not cut back. I, I do is bizarre. I have never seen generals on Wikipedia other than in this room.

It's like to me in this room, Wikipedia is all general. This is like, I'm here now looking at the Wikipedia entry for the humbler, which is a BDSM physical restraint device. A cock and ball bondage toy used to restrict the movements of the submissive partner. Oh, God, just get it off of here. I'll give you the shallama. He needs a little humbling. He knows. Look at the guy's bottle, like at the fucking telescope. I, let's take this back.

“Wow, the dumb. I blown away by all those options of photos. It really is this, wow. I think one, but it done the trick.”

There is, we were talking about Rosa Parks before the show. There's one, there's literally one picture of Rosa Parks on her Wikipedia page. There is. I'm looking at it. Four tortured balls and dicks in a mosaic at the top of the article. Yeah, I will say that that one cock is as big as a bussy. I don't need any of this. I don't need any of this. So, we'll come back to it. So the dumb was saying, is the problem was, is that we were talking about, like, why in guys get to balls destroyed every single time they do one of these videos.

And largely, she was saying, it just takes a lot more strength than you think to kick at that level of force in order to destroy the balls.

And they like the lead up and they're talking about. Yeah. But then more often than not, once they get to the advanced CBT, that's when the guys go, say if we say if we say we're no, no, I'm good. I'm good.

Oh, it's like right before a drunk guy gets to shit kicked out of them.

They're like, okay, you know what I'm just, you're a pussy, you're a pussy, you know what you can't even find you're pussy, you can't find that way fighting a guy, way fighting a guy. I do think it's like that, that they get, they get really deep into it, and then they just can't, they're not ready for it. The 300 bucks an hour for my fucking CBT, but I, at least I could sit afterwards, I'm going to get it mixed with my THC and this really end my fucking fertility. Also big ups to body glide, what's body glide? Chub rub, chub rub, that guy. Oh, really? It's an anti-chafing stick, stick, I want some. That sounds great.

That's right there, you can get a tray from China. Wow, China loves it. We know what it is though, we, with China, it's not that they got big guys slippery guys. Oh, slippery guys, that's what they're like, they really can winch in Indianapolis. You can see us at the slippery news. Will you, will you? Will you? I'm going to try to get had to go with me after the show over to the slippery noodle. If you are the owner of that established man, hold us in table. Wow, this is a rig of Tony, isn't this the sign of me? Oh, whoa, isn't it? You got to go to the slippery. Oh, god, we got to go. I've never been. That's where the guy tried to show me his penis. Oh, hey, I mean, he's slippery noodle.

That is funny that it happened at the slippery noodle. Oh, yeah, all right, big coverups to talk about today. Are you, it's a, we're going to start with aliens. I, I want to talk a little bit about this story is that I, I was down on disclosure a couple of weeks ago. You had it. Well, it's because I believe truthfully that we're past the point of needing government disclosure. I think that that's silly.

“I think that that's why I'm anti it. I know that before I was kind of bummed about aliens and Trump and all that kind of stuff.”

Honestly, what I'm more, I'm not bummed. I'm more just saying we don't need disclosure.

I mean, ever since the drones like 15 months ago, like I've lost interest personally, what's because the problem is is that we're going to get no answers.

Yeah, any answer that they give you is going to be a fake answer. There is no way they're going to give you a real answer. It's not going to happen. So whatever it is, he says in a speech is going to be completely fake. Also, he just doesn't understand words. Anything. And no, and the guys around him, I was just saying, so that big, you remember that was at all the hollow blue for the, oh, Disclosure is coming. Disclosure is coming and then nothing.

Yeah, the reason why is because there was a massive pushback from the generals that are supposed to be doing the disclosing. Again, we're hitting into the world where they're evangelical religious beliefs will not let them talk about aliens because to them, it to be a demon.

“Oh, and that if it not to be a demon at the only thing that they know as a demon, and ever was not a demon.”

Oh, they're able to do it.

They got what they showed them. Oh, directly, but not then it was to be a demon. Oh, so there's no, they don't believe in sky demons. No, well, no, they, oh, they're utterly believe in sky demons. That's why they're afraid of them. They're literally so afraid of the aliens, so they don't want to talk about them because they think they're, they think that their Jesus is enemies. Is anyone trying to like Jimmy the zipper in the back of Stephen Miller's head and see what happens? I would love to get a hold of that zipper. I got a couple ideas to talk in the paper.

I guess I saw the news tossing around the words. What was it interdimensional being? Yeah, they have no idea. So the Pentagon is completely pulled back. They're just pulled back. They don't want to deal with it because they think it's itky.

It is much how like guys that want to fully investigate homophobic,

“like crimes inside of the homosexual scenes in the 1970s because they thought it was a key.”

It's like the same thing. We literally don't want to be involved in it because they think that they're going to get demon sting on them. But there is real disclosure actually happening. Okay. So I got this. This is, this is where the disclosure should be. It is coming from the people and this thing is extremely interesting. It doesn't quite, okay.

I'm going to try to explain this in a way that makes sense. Please, because I need it. So in the 1980s, our egg shaped perveyor of truth, Stanton Friedman, was a part of Mufan who is a part of all these euthologists that was trying to bring an era of large food food rationality to UFOs. He was a nuts and bolts guy.

He only believed in nuts and bolts aspect that they are actual physical crafts that come from another part of the galaxy. And he firmly believed that there was a U.S. government cover up about them trying to retroactively figure out technology from these devices and they were lying to the people.

The idea is that there was a group. So it's goes to the 12. It was a group of people that had what was called majestic clearance, which was the tip of the tip of the top.

Top secret clearance that you could have, okay. This again, we don't know if it's real or not. It was a hazy thing and this group of 12 wrote this essentially report to the government explaining all of the various ramifications of UFOs.

“The things inside of them, what would be like to retrofit their technology and how do we handle it socially?”

Like they had like a whole breakdown. All of the stuff came out in the 80s. It has largely been debunked. Okay. Most people believe at this point that they were fake material that was put out in the 80s version of the intranet. Like old internet, like when it was before, it was just like like boards.

That was like a game that was played and then it came out. Stanton Friedman tried to make a big deal about it. Ruin is life, all of it. You wrote a bunch of books about it. Ruin is life. He started moving on. He died in an airport. Anybody that dies in an airport? That's sad.

Can't if I should die in an airport? Hmm. It is sad. That's sad. It was she died at home. Yeah.

So this guy came out. This guy wrote a sub sack. Everybody with love sub sack.

But this is interesting. Sky started like re-looking at the MJ-12 documents. I guess literally just a waste is time. Yeah. And he discovered something fascinating.

There's actually MJ-13. [laughs] No, that's just when that's codename. [laughs]

“It's funny you went there because I was thinking cartels.”

Oh, wow. Interesting. Yeah, it's our brain. There's 13 also. He knows that number's too big for him. Two wolves. Two wolves inside. [laughs] So the majestic one was he noticed that.

So this guy was going with this stuff. And they said that they had this court of like stamp on it. And he noticed each one had a stamp on it with a number. Eight three four zero two one. Looks like I would ever.

What is this? So he decided to just run that through the CIA FOIA portal. And then Jenny picked up. Do you see what he said about it? It has brought me missile last number.

Yeah. Now he's going to jerk off the sound of the tone. [laughs] All right, so this guy is found. It's like, oh, it's not just some random number.

It's actually connected to something. Is it a star?

“It's connected to a 345 pages of released paperclip”

intelligence documents. Okay. Have you read those? [laughs] You fucker it.

[laughs] But no, right. These were disclassified. So these were declassified. These documents.

So the all the the operation paperclip MK Ultra shit. Like MK Ultra. We got to remember. We don't know that MK Ultra until Clinton was president.

Okay. He was the one that released a bunch of anything. It was available. He released that. I had no idea.

Yes. So that's new. Essentially. These documents from operation paperclip when we washed all this stuff with the Nazis.

Yeah. Didn't actually become declassified until 2022. Hold on. So we didn't know about Werner Von Braun. No, until 2022.

I'm just saying a new batch came out. Okay. Right. So it's still coming out. And so with this person understood is that they were all sort of connected to the same batch.

This extremely important batch. Now, they see her. So not in person. It's a they realize that you could look at. If you look at the paperwork.

It is in fact CIA JIO paperclip that's document that has an mj12 written on it. Okay. That is in the operation paperclip stuff. So that means whatever is in the quote unquote fake documentary and all these fake documents are actually in a real document.

The same stamps are on a bunch of real documents. So mj12 did exist.

So if so it's just we're seeing for the very first time.

Maybe that the documents are real. Not then mj12 is real that the documents might be real. And what that might even mean, which is we might be looking at a disinfo campaign that is as old as the entire conspiracy theory itself. Right. What if we are in a world where that was baked back then.

And it was put into all of this stuff as a part of a disinformation campaign to make people that got access to this looks silly and stupid. And when was mj12 was that like back in like the 40s. Yeah, 40s and 50s. So this is like after World War II after Mussolini sold us the bullshit. This is Roswell.

This is Roswell time after Roswell and after all that.

It's just sort of remember some of the stuff.

Race or to see it. You just lost like one like for base player. That was in the like there was on Osmium. There was less fun. But dude, like there was another another one.

So there was another number. A dash 1762.1 was another one that they looked up and it popped up on another document that's legit. Okay. We are I'm just saying that it's fascinating. And they are.

It seems to be right now with the very top is as we're there was like one document has approved for release. It didn't come out until 20 years later. And the big thing on it is says CIA. UFOs. That's like literally dude.

CIA UFOs on this thing.

“That's like that's what this document's about.”

That's fun. It's just and that's like on a posted statement on the front of us. Yes. Yes. So.

This is the. This is. We can't.

I know, but we can't sit here and like believe a post it.

No. It's on the fire. So they scanned it with it. Right. So this comes from the FOIA request.

Yeah. So this comes from the CIA like this. It was it was scanned like this. And it says like official record copy below it. Yes.

Cool. So it's one of those weird things. That's actually disclosure, buddy. So maybe maybe does this. Not to throw you off because I know you're on this and it's fucking awesome.

Does this have anything to do with William McCaslin who went missing? Discide the UFO general. That was good guy. It was looking at all the UFOs who went missing. I don't.

I don't know. I also think that this guy went missing.

“I think he very well could have just committed suicide.”

But wouldn't they have found him by now? Dude's your fucking awesome man. Dude died all the time. The father wants to go away. They do it all the time man.

He'll go out there. He'll blow his brains out by a fucking cliff and fall backwards. He knows what to do. I mean if they were going to. If the government was going to chip anybody.

They would have chip this motherfucker, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Wendy's got a chip. Yeah.

He should have a chip. I think that. You know what if the guy just is super sad as we all are. The Trumps invaded his own territory and he's sad. And he blew his brains out because the ruin his life worked.

Hmm. Interesting. I can see that. It was said that he has more senses of secrets about the United States and his head than anyone else. Not no more.

You're really believe he's just dead. I think that he ran. You think he would like. You don't think the fact that the Russia or some shit. You know what's funny?

I think that's the same thing that when you talk about with MC now. Obviously, I think about a little bit differently now. But I think that the, let's say those secrets weigh heavily on a person. Yeah. I think that you could obviously have.

You, I think that, uh, would make a lot of sense that you might feel quite a bit of pressure. I know how I've run right before you offer yourself because you have the pride of being a, a, a loyal patriot that took his secrets to the grave. Yeah. I feel like that's what it is.

It's like the real Patriots don't talk. Real Patriots are fully brainwashed.

“You know, like that's why they're all like, where is the fuck?”

Get whistle blowers and come in now. But it's connected because apparently he was working with fragments from Roswell. Maybe. Or he was told they were fragments from Roswell. He wasn't Ohio.

It's a long way from New Mexico. Yeah. But it's also, maybe he was told they were. Maybe it all took big ol' eye. Maybe again.

Maybe it's hard. Maybe he got, who knows? We don't know yet. Maybe he got diagnosed of diagnosis of being extremely sick. That's quite possible.

Like how many times guys do that? Yes. They were trying to do that with Hunter S. Thompson. They were trying to reopen his case and stuff. And it's like the motherfucker wrote that he would not live anymore.

If he couldn't walk anymore, the second he couldn't walk anymore.

He committed suicide. Yeah. There it is. Dude suck. Right.

Dude's gets sad. And instead of doing something about it, and pull the brains out. Okay. That's what guys do.

What's it going to take for you to do it? Oh, well. [laughter] A new Josh Gad Chris Farley movie might be coming on soon. [laughter]

You have to do much way. Oh, no. I'm not talking about me. I'm just talking about imagining that more on trying to create, recreate the comedy of Chris Farley in today's movie.

I'm going to be down to watch a fall through a bunch of tables. It's not him. It's somebody else. He got somebody else to do it. It's not going to be good.

Oh, he's not in it. No. Oh. He's only bad. He just rode it.

He was worse. Oh. He also rode Space Balls too. Oh God. And he's going to be John Candy Sun.

He's going to be... Wow. I'm so mad too. Wow. I'm just excited about that as I've ever been.

[laughter] Wow. That's them. Wow.

I'm your friend. See, that's not the only cover-up that's in the news. Oh, yeah. What's going on with the other one? So say what you will about 60 minutes, right?

It's only an hour. - It's only an hour. - Yeah, it's only an hour. - So I'm 58 minutes too long. (laughs) - So I, they have done a bombshell report about the Havana syndrome.

You know, people, they've done multiple. - Yes, but this last one, it's really fucking, it's a big old one.

They had a CIA whistleblower come in and basically reveal

that they more than believed that there is an active CIA cover up about the Havana syndrome, for those of you that don't know or remember, it all started around 2016. The reason why it's called a Havana syndrome

was because a group of diplomats, U.S. diplomats, and spies were in a hotel in the in Havana and they all experienced what they believed the sort of this attack of a weapon that said that felt like an ice pick was going in their ear.

They couldn't think their ears would get all pop. There was some of them would feel like a clamp was going on in the back of their neck. They could think it was like tricycle noxus for some bad pork or something.

“It just, it was directed and happened really quickly, right?”

And then afterwards they found that whatever it happened had broken or shattered the little bones around inside of their ears and all this kind of stuff all around this area. For a while, this has now been happening ever since. For the last decade, U.S. spies and diplomats

have been complaining about the same thing, same series of symptoms and kind of the all of the circumstances around it. - It's a permanent too, right? - They have some of them have permanent damage. It's kind of like long COVID in a way

where they then came out. The sky edge you said, it's a natural phenomena. It's what they called, which I thought was really interesting. They called it an A.A.J., which is an anomalous health incident. - Okay. - So what they'll do is they pay you

that you get your insurance, your work insurance, but they still would not admit that it was like an attack. They caused the CIA decided that there's no way they could just make a weapon that does this thing and not we wouldn't know about it, essentially.

The CIA said that in order for them to make this microwave weapon, it would have to be the size of a tractor trailer and we'd know everywhere it would take so much power or it would make all this noise, blah, blah, blah.

“- Do we have any secret organizations inside of America”

that would keep a secret from the CIA? - Ready, no. (laughing) - But no, so what happened is, is that? So the DOD in 2024, I find this is very interesting. Biden's White House specifically did not believe

in the CIA reports, so they went looking for it themselves. They ended up finding a guy within the DOD to go buy this microwave weapon off of a Russian mafia, so that could fit in the backpack. So they bought this thing that it could fit in the backpack.

It does it, it gives off no heat. It takes very little power to do. It's something that they figured out, the Russians have been working on this for a long time. We bought it, we started testing it.

We tested it on cows and shit. We're killing cows and stuff with it.

And basically they were ready to come out

with all of this information and this was all running up until the election. And then once the election happened, it just kind of went on the waste basket, right? Like once they just had fuck it, and they just left it alone.

And what they're basically saying is not only are they easy to make, but they're almost imperceptible. And now the mafia's are just printing them, which means they're no longer secret technology. Everyone could have them.

Now they're out. So is this what we used in Venezuela,

“or is this what we've been using against protesters?”

It's no idea. I don't know. But we know that Trump called it the Discombobulator, whatever it was. Yeah, and we do know that the whole word out.

I think that he couldn't say the real word. You couldn't say the real word. Yeah, we got the Discombobulator. We've got, and the, but those are sound, there are sound weapons.

This is not a sound weapon. Okay. This is a microwave weapon. It cooks your fucking brain. Crazy.

Yeah. So it's one of those, and we just got sitting around there in 60 minutes, allowed this out. And I believe this is a bit of a limited, what we call in the intelligence services.

They limited hang out, and which they are going to give us this little fun controversy in this thing to do, in order for us to talk about anything. But the epicentra and the invasion of Iran, all of it. Now this is the new distraction.

So it's a cool distraction. It's a crime, so I like this one. Because we can't forget CBS runs 60 minutes and they're, you know, they're in Trump's pocket. They got, they took out a fucking story about Venezuela

recently. Yeah, they are. So the reason why we're getting this story is because this isn't easier controversy for them to handle.

And the CIA has decided because they've always been

They're always the fall guys.

Oh, CIA's like, let us take the heat. Yeah. And that's it. No, most no fuss. No one's talking about Epstein anymore.

Except they are. Yes, very much so. Very, very much so. And it's matter of fact.

“We are about to talk about it for next 40 minutes.”

Yeah, I hope you like it. You're fucking better. New day will. They people that love on the Epstein stuff. We've brought an expert on.

Yes, because for I need this more than you need this. You're entrenched. To me, you're an expert as well. But this next person is really who kind of like, I got to say, she helps me through every crisis

this country goes through.

I looked, I looked at her for leadership.

She is one of the smartest voices in comedy. Truly brilliant written for Sasha Baron Cohen had her own show on adult swim. Yeah. This is our bit of a, we do in a bit of an update.

That's right. There's a new podcast I'll call the Epstein Files book club. It's hosted by Jenna Friedman and Elise Hugh. Please welcome Jenna Friedman. It's an island adventure.

It's an island adventure. Heck yeah, it's Jeffrey time. [CHEERING] It is funny that Whitney's Whitney was his favorite. He's only favorite.

I know, I'm like, that just means you look young. [LAUGHTER] Are we rolling? How are we rolling? [LAUGHTER]

“Can we, that can, that can be like the promo for the event?”

Yeah, absolutely. We can drop that right in. It is a pleasure to have this, one of the 500 murderers in this country. That's you are.

One of the 500 fucking killers. Do you belong in that fucking room and the mothership? I don't care what anybody says. Well, I'll do the mothership. Yeah, I mean, your fucking COVID's over.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's-- [LAUGHTER] But man, oh man, they slated no one going on. That's right. We're joined by Jenna Friedman, co-host of the Epstein Files book club. I'm very excited.

I love your show that you do with Elise Hugh. It's unbelievable. I've listened every episode. I caught up on the flight home yesterday. Oh, you are a guiding light for a lot of us.

And I appreciate you so much. Also, you're showing adult swim. It's wonderful. Thank you. Yeah.

That was my-- that was my dream show, saw focus. God, it was so fucking good. Do you still think about the cannibal cup? Never. [LAUGHTER]

No, I might have blocked him. I'd done a couple interviews. Like, there was one I do with Ken Cratts, the making a murder or D.A. And he would text me every so often. I don't want to talk about him because I don't want to like,

wake up his spirit. [LAUGHTER] Well, I was listening to your show on the way here. And I got to say, Walt Disney World End, right in the middle of it. Really?

I thought it was a sketch on your show, because the bunch of children going down-- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Thank you for screaming up, OK.

So I've never done a podcast.

There was a moment I remember in 2009, I had done the Glasgow Comedy Festival Mark. Marin was there. He had just started his podcast. And he was like, do you want to come up to my hotel room

and record an episode of my podcast? And I was like, yeah, right. Your hotel room to record your podcast. And I didn't. He did have me on recently, whatever.

And then the next day, an ounce, that he was shedding a podcast. Sorry. I won't talk about it. How does it taste fine? It's fine.

It works. I know. Well, this is like a fan base for us. OK. Anyway, so, but I've not done a podcast.

And then when the second batch of files dropped, the only person talking about it was Jake Tapper. I'm no longer on Twitter because it's a whole story, but I had an account that got erased twice. I had to put it in my notes.

Well, because Twitter used to be before Elon took it over, it was like the water cooler where you got your news. And I was like, New York, if I heard a sound, I'd be like, what's that? And Twitter would tell me because everybody was on it.

It was like a public good. And so I don't-- I'm not as like, clued into the news in the way that I was or the public discourse around the news. And then Tapper posted something, Jake, whatever. We're not like friends.

“But he posted, I think, pieces that were in the files”

that the DOJ have taken off out of the files. But the allegations were so damning. And some of them were not credible. And the FBI wrote, not credible, next to some of them, but some of them were.

And I just like immediately posted on social media, something to the effect of like, we're all just, like, their allegations of Trump raping kids. And we're all just going to like ignore that. - To Lewis, that there's videos of it.

- Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to be so careful

I know that there are allegations.

And then the DOJ have removed them. And I also remember there are two different ones. There's a Katie Johnson, who I remember in 2016. She was going to do a press conference. Katie Johnson's a pseudonym.

And then she got spooked and didn't. But her allegations against Trump were very damning. And so anyway, I like, I went into the files myself. What I saw was so insane.

“I was like, is anyone talking about this on a podcast?”

No one was, there's just one Epstein files podcast. I started listening to it. I'm like, this is AI. And that's the number one Epstein files podcast right now, by the way.

- And I want to mark that. - It is true, the number one podcast. It's called like the Epstein files podcast or something. It is just AI garbage. - It's just AI.

And then there's this other one, like, code and city is about Epstein that I was listening to.

And it actually corroborated now that I've been like

going into the files and like, I've learned stuff. Like, I listened to the whole thing. And it's pretty accurate, but then the voice changes from like a scary man's voice. Well, they're all men's voices.

- And they say, well, we're trying to be safe. - Yeah, yeah. - We're trying to be safe for you here. - But like, to a scary Southern man's voice in the same episa, and it's just so it's like,

I don't know what is AI. It's very disorienting. And so I was just my friend, Elise, who I met at TED, which is a whole other thing. She has been wanting to do a podcast with me

and I was like, we should just do it on this. And we got it up and running really quickly, but like the ad component. I mean, we're not making any money on this, but it's on a platform where like they'll just put

an ad in the middle of it. - Yes, it's good. So they embed it. It's like, from there, you lie. - We've had lots of like army ads and like,

we have random stuff that's puttin' and we have no control of it. - We have to do whack em all. So essentially, you hear ahead of time when someone says they put something to ferry us either.

I said, or you want to arm you. - It's up in several times. And then you just, you play whack em all. You call and say, get it out of there. - Okay.

- And so they go and they region lock it. And then they do, they go and do a piece by piece. - There was one at the beginning that was either about a casino or something. And we, I was like, no, let's not do any ads

at the beginning. She's like, I can move it to the middle. Disney's pretty, that's pretty nuts. - That was wild. I was taking it back.

“You should be making money for Disney ads.”

- I think you make, I think you make like $30. Like, it's just me, at least you. And Sammy Junio is who edits our podcast. I don't mean to be so tangential, but I went to drop off my toddler at preschool.

And I, or no, pick em up. And then he's an aftercare, and I knew all the kids' names. And they're not all in his class, but all the names are, you know, they're nuts.

- Hey, a story, and well in, and a happy story. - A couple of littleists, couple of littleists. (laughing) - Littleists are really advanced name for a little time. You know?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Do you mean the ancient horror of the Bible? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but I, I like knew everybody's names. And then the teacher's like, what are our names?

And I, I got them, but it took me a second,

and then I felt like it's an asshole, and then I got all their names. - The kids are more important. Yeah, who cares about you? - But it was like a moment where I was just like,

oh my God, if I didn't rip this name out right away, I, you know, so, sorry. - Do you do um, Lion's been? - What? - Lion's been.

Mushroom. - Oh, Lion's main. (laughing) - Okay. - And St. Louis, and I went to one of their farmers markets

on my time off, and they had alligator meat, but then there was this random man who was growing Lion's main, from his basement. - They're pretty far from alligator's as well. That's right, grow.

- And I bought the Lion's main, and I, like, took it home two days later, and I sauteed it with butter. - Yeah. - And my partner who I was dating at the time was like,

I'm not eating that, but his bandmate was such a good sport, and he like, "Hey, like this, like old Lion's main." - Rot, like, four songs. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You're gonna turn it inside.

- Yeah, it's great.

“- Can I honestly ask, like, how is this?”

Obviously, we talked a little bit before the show, I was like, my wife is also deeply obsessed. I'm obsessed. I kind of like the fact that we can come together about this, but I am hearing that it does affect,

it's affecting people's homes. - Right, well, it's the whole thing of the gardener and the rose, but you're gonna have two Epstein files, people. - Ep stands.

- Ep stands. Well, like, like, Peter, like, the files files files files files files files. - I'm on, I didn't subscribe to his only files. (laughing) - Look, the only, okay, so we started the podcast

because I just didn't see, I was reading the files,

and I wanna, and in a responsible way,

because there's so many conspiracy theories, and you can get pulled down by the cannibalism, and the jerky, and the this, and then that, and I'm like, this is what they want. They want us to have information overload.

They want us to either go turn into left wing Q and on, they're fully shut down. There has to be a middle road where you're like, let's, I mean, we're not gonna forget about the ice stuff. There's a lot going on now with the war, with the rambles.

- Yeah, just moving to another burner. It's just put it there, it's on a stove. - Right.

“I mean, I think we can walk into gum at the same time, right?”

Like, I think, and the reason that these have activated me is because I feel like this is gonna be the one thing that takes this administration down, either, you know, the Dems sweep in the midterms, or something else, I mean, I think we have to,

but I think that you can't, I thought that the ice stuff was bipartisan,

meaning like, I didn't think anyone could justify having

these like, masked men and Dean Kane, terrorizing people in American cities. - 'Cause Dean Kane, that would, right? Like, I'm literally glamour and then Dean Kane showed up with a bulletproof vest and machine gun.

I'd be like, wow, this is really, this is a very serious past for the spinning bowl. (laughing) - Yeah, well, but, but, you know, there's a way that they're spinning that, you know,

and they're like, our borders, blah, blah, blah. But with this shit, you cannot, like, it is such a cover up, if Trump is innocent, why are they covering it up? Why are they redacting files that they've released?

Why? I mean, the cover up is so obvious to everyone, including Joe Rogan. So, and then the-- - You get through his literally expanded skull from HGA.

(laughing) - It should be, it should start the break, man. - Yeah. So, when I say, like, you know,

“I think it's what's gonna take them down,”

if it doesn't, it's taking all of us down. Like, how do we live in a, you know, working progress to democracy if we can prosecute pedophiles? - It didn't take the Catholic Church down. Well, Catholic Church, I almost think,

is even more rich and established in a way that we can't understand, because they still have God's mandate. - Yes, we don't. - We don't.

- Well, they're trying to. - Yeah, they're trying to. - But, you know, they don't, so they don't have a DOJ, you know, they don't have enough, I mean,

the Catholic Church is like an international institution that's been around for centuries. - But, the break in Latin America, why are we allowed to arrest everyone who does it? - Yeah.

- That's a crazy thing. - Yeah. - Now, I wanted to, before we get too deep in the weeds on this stuff, there's already crossed, like, three things

I wanted to talk to you about, like, in, like, three sentences.

So, but the first thing I want to talk about with you

is, a lot of mysterious things keep happening to you. And I wanted to know about, like, what, how you feel about that? Like, first of all, you're Twitter getting erased. This weird, Epstein podcast.

So, one did a different version of your autobiography and you got stopped at the border when you come back to her. You're such a nice woman. - Yeah, you're such a nice woman.

- The way you're framing? - Stopped at the border. So, that was April of last year. I was coming back from Ted. I was coming from Vancouver into the US.

The Customs border is on the Vancouver side. So, I wasn't, I had my guard down. I was chatty and he asked me the US Customs agent asked, you know, what were you doing here? I said I was doing comedy and it was on Pade

'cause it was Ted. I had a situation at the border over a decade ago where I didn't realize that I needed to, it was a whole thing. So, I wanted to make sure, like, I was doing comedy,

it was on Pade 'cause it's Ted that's a whole separate issue. - Yeah. - He said, "Are you, you're a comedian? What are you joke about? I hesitated and then he asked you

make fun of politicians." I said no. - Yeah. - 'Cause, yeah, 'cause you're trying to get home. - Yeah.

“- It's also not the only thing that you do.”

- I know. Also, like, is it making fun of them to state facts? You know, like, that, yeah. Anyway, I didn't, I, when I posted about it, I didn't, I didn't say that I said no

'cause I was nervous about, you know, I just said, be careful around customs. I got through, whatever. - Oh, no, 'cause we were going into Canada the next week too.

We were like, "Oh, fuck." It's like, I'm all over everything, tell saying, like, I want to burn the White House down. - Right, I'm not, I'm very all over the place. - I don't say that, you know.

- It's 'cause you're smart, smart, you know. - But, yeah. - For coming on the show. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I get it just me to be sure. - 'Cause I remember, like, I got through,

and then I was in a bookshop, and there was a guy,

for my toddler, and I wanted to be like,

I just was asked this at the border, and then I just didn't say anything, 'cause I'm like, I just gotta get home and be safe and, you know. And then when I got home, my friend of mine works for Adam Schiff, and I said, "Hey, this just happened."

And he sent me a meme that I said posted the, maybe, like, the previous day or around, like, a couple days prior, that I could show it to you. It's a stop at the borders, like, drugs, weapons, something else, and ideas.

And then, and it was in Politico, they posted this on social media, and then they took it down, 'cause it obviously freaked people out. But I believe that he had gotten that memo, and was just following orders,

“and so that's why that line of questioning happened.”

And I wasn't gonna be like, "Yeah, I do joke about politicians, free speech." - Yeah, like President Trump. - Come at me, random man, without a body cam, in a foreign country, you know, I'm just,

I have self-preservation, yeah. - So that happened, okay. And then I talked about it, because I could not. And the funny thing is, it's like he asked me that question, and I, I mean, it became like fodder for,

like the opening of my show, I do a whole bit about it now. - Yeah, the ultimate sweetest revenge. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I did a New Yorker piece making fun of a custom, so I, it became like a gift, you know. And so that was one thing, the Twitter thing.

That is messed up, but I basically,

I never go on Twitter post-Elon,

but then I went on, because I wanted to see what people on Twitter were thinking about, the Epstein files, and so, and then once you're there, you're like, "I got to have like an Elon jokes." I jokes about how, like, I, I, the files felt real

just because of how much, even the pedophiles

“didn't want to hang with Elon, like, that just stopped,”

like a real, oh yeah. - You know, that was one of the favorite parts of the whole thing was that, everybody else was like, "Demure about the island, demure, and he was just like, "When am I coming to the island?"

- And this is everyone's favorite part. - Yeah, and they're like, oh, I don't know. No amount of, I just like the most money, hungry, craven people are still like, "Urgh, your face is too fat."

And of course, your mind. - You harsh the vibe on pedophile island,

man with more money than all of us combined.

So I tweeted about that, and then the next day, I couldn't get into my account, and I tried my password. I was like, "Elon sucks, 20, 26 was my password, "and it wasn't working." And I was like, "Maybe this is just something's up,

"whatever." - "Sucks with the next." - No, I felt it correctly. - Real? (laughing)

- Yeah.

“And then I was like, "Maybe it was Elon sucks, 20, 25 will check tomorrow."”

And when I went back to check, like, even my, I actually went x-dash, Jennifer, and Jenner with one end. I have to specify, 'cause there is a Jenner with two ends in the file. Anyway, I'll get back to that later,

but I had to, and it said account does not exist. And then I felt like Senator Bullock and the net. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Anyway, I need to get Dennis Miller shows up. - Yeah, and so then, but then somebody,

I posted about it, but I was like, "No, there's this other count, "like, K-d-o-a-i, that has all your tweets." And I was like, "Okay." And then, and then I was able to put up another account with my name, because whoever hacked it,

left my domain name, which is weird. So I started a new account, Jenner Friedman. And then I posted, and then a couple of people were like, "Jeno, God, Silence, follow her," and I was like, "Hi." And then I made another joke about Elon.

- Yeah. - And then that account disappeared and became my name with an underscore after it. Like somehow, some programmer actually changed my URL. So that was my account, but then I deleted it.

And then now my account that has my name is actually restored. - So it's weird. - So it's like, it's actually hard to explain, 'cause it's like not just a hacker. Usually a hacker just comes in, takes your profile,

and posts like shitty fishing links. - Yeah. - But this was like multiple levels of fuckery that I'm like, how do you do this if you're not internally in the company?

- I do. One of the things that haunts me most about the Epstein files is that it shows that these guys, men, that run the world in these institutions, seem to really have an massive amount of time

on their hands. Like, "Oh, I thought these guys were all super busy. How do they pay attention to you? How could that mean?" - That went onto his desk, the richest man in the world.

And he said, "Good, read it or do it to your account." - Like, they have like 30 employees compared to their social media sites. So someone had to-- - To individual.

- Yeah, it feels like that. - Click your account, do the thing. Like, not to be anything, we're just comedians. Like on the very base of this, we're trying to do work. But this idea of like, every time a billionaire

it makes the comedian a lot of money.

“- No, it does good stuff for the comedians fucked.”

- But also, I mean, I reached out to Twitter right after and I was like, "Hey, can you help me with this?" And the response was so swiftly like, "No, I have it saved." It was just like, "No." How we can prove that you're you and I'm like,

"What? Like, yes you can, I have an idea, I have, you know?" And then, I mean, people like, "Well, why would you even give any money to Elon?"

I never gave money to Elon that's why.

I didn't have two factor authentication. If I did get hacked. But also, it's like, we're comedians like, this is public record. We have to be on here.

People are having conversations. Politicians are making statements on here. Thomas, Matthew, just made a statement on X that I couldn't see. I had to find it somewhere else about the files.

So it's like, I'm trying to report on what's happening. And it's just crazy that you can have, I know it's like naive, but in 2009, I made a pact with Twitter, Jack Dorsey, where like, I gave them my intellectual property,

which is a lot of dumb jokes. I had communications via DM and in a second, because like of some billionaires whim, all that can be erased, you have no recourse. We have no, like, we have no rights digitally,

or really in reality, too. I mean, it's funny to talk about digital rights when you're looking at like other shit that we don't ever, I mean, like with all the ice shit.

This is so small potatoes, but I do think,

for people listening and just younger generations, we have to assume that like, just get offline. Like, you have no rights. They can take all your data. They will take all your data.

Those little, you don't own anything on the internet. You don't own anything on the internet. They're spying on you. They're listening to it all times. They're just trying to harvest your data.

If it's free, you're the product.

“Yeah, Carol Kodwaller, she broke, I think,”

the Cambridge Analytica story around 2016. She calls them digital rapists. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah.

You know, I guess, like, you know, then you-- And now we know there are also actual rapists. Actually, right. Yeah. Can we go back to the meta-raping?

[LAUGHTER] I don't feel like it's like fine.

You can have my accounts.

[LAUGHTER] Bye from your grave. So you're totally invested in all of this stuff. You're going down the rabbit holes that rest of us shouldn't have to go down.

And we appreciate it. Who do you think's going to go down? Like, who's really going to go down? Like, who's definitely going to go down? I--

I'm Blacksner, or-- Blacksner, so old. I think-- Just did you watch his death as well? I watched the deposition.

And I-- we're talking about him. We have somebody who wrote, like, literally wrote a book on a Wexner. She's going to be on the pod. That'll be released on Friday.

But yes, I mean, it's literally it's either our system goes down, or the sitting president goes down. And he's either going to go down by just if we can sweep in the midterms.

And we have a free and fair election. Then maybe we can do impeachment since the penis, and getting people held accountable. I think Pam Bondy's got to go. Cash Patels got to go.

He's doing such a good job. I know, right. Christine, no, you know, they have-- they're just-- they're--

Those three people are really in the files. No, but they're covering up. And Bondy-- I mean, like, Bondy's connection to the floor as Florida AG-- Oh, is that saying?

But I mean, let Nick has to go. Like, they're-- it is a cover up. It's like the thing that's like, you don't want to say the cover up is worse than the crime, because the crime is one of the worst crimes ever.

But the cover up is also a huge crime. The cover up to me is a thing that's fascinating. There are tons of pedophiles ever you look. Like, we all came up in comedy. There are tons--

That's a dissent app, it's a dissent app, it's a dissent app. It's overdoing it. And I think it's overdoing it. Yeah, I don't think it's overdoing it. I don't think it's overdoing it.

I don't think it's overdoing it. I don't think it's overdoing it. - It's like $1.00 to find out who this guy's the best. - That guy's the best. - It's too much.

- Yeah. - It's not, that can't be. It can't be like, I'm like, there aren't even that many people in my neighborhood. - But your local, locally sourced farm-to-table petafile.

- Right. - It's like, your technically, it's a lot of times it's family friends. It's people connected into the family when it's that level. But now we're also seeing there's another type of petafile. Like, it's piracy theories have talked about for a long time,

but now we actually, it actually makes more sense. Like, to be a petafile, you would need a network. - Wow. - There's very difficult to operate alone to disseminate material and make material.

- Okay, so there's an entrepreneurial petafile thing,

“which I think conspiracy theories always freak me out.”

Like, if you're going down down a rabbit hole and off and you're like, the Jews did 9/11, and you got to pull back, like you're down too far. It's like, - No, everybody benefited from 9/11.

(laughing) Hey, listen, we all like 9/11. - I'm sure you're following your fans or you're like, - Oh no, I'm not sure. - They know that the Jewish people were warned and they all left the tower before the poison.

We know. (laughing) I could just write on the Netflix. (laughing) - But like, Epstein could have, like, there are,

but it's like the innate, all the people who enabled them

on every level, like the New York Times had a really good piece about all the doctors that helped him when he had like an orgy to females. I say female, 'cause I, it's so funny, the only other person who says females,

cannibal cop, call back, like a female from, but I don't know if they're, of age, so I don't want to call them women. And I don't know if they're girls. - I default to child.

- I just default to child. - I just default to the kids, or they're just 16. - But there is like that whole thing

“of like journalist's responsibility, you know what I mean?”

- No, I know, you're much more responsible. - But I'm trying to, because it's so easy to misstep, and I'm sure I will misstep, so I'm trying to like be as responsible as I can. So if they were of age, they were of age,

but either way, I think the Bruce Moskowitz, I think the doctor from Palm Beach,

there's like E-mail where he tells Epstein,

you know, have them get their tests at a public health clinic so that I don't have to report them when I report you 'cause he tested positive for gonorrhea, and you have to report as a doctor. I don't want their name showing up with your name.

And it's like that level of complicity and assistance. - We'll just be looking out for Jeff. The all of these people looking out for Jeff, which means Jeff. - What's cool?

(laughing) - You saw him. - He loved him. - He loved him. - Nobody loves Trump.

- Nobody. Right? We were even joking about this. We're like Epstein has so much support in front of him. - He had such a social capital.

And yes, he had a regular capital, and you could see how he's paying for gifts

for everybody from Kathy Rumler to,

you know, everyone else who's just giving them money. - He's giving them money. - The school was just his friend. - Dude, Peggy seems for his currency. - Yeah, but he's sustaining them.

- That Peggy's Eagle stuff is fascinating. - Something about a widget. That is a whole cheesy PR agent and works a lot in the Broadway. - Did she ever invite you to stuff?

- No, no. - I was so in like 2017 and '18 before the connection.

“I think the connection between her that I saw”

was like around the pandemic. 'Cause I remember seeing that being so bummed because somehow I got on Peggy Seagull's list and I would just get invited to stuff. Like the V-Premiere Lady Bird,

just randomly and I'm like, what is this? Like why does she think I'm someone else? - Maybe. - I mean, but she was the one that said, she told Epstein number one that like,

you know, to me the chamomile I'm a ding-dong, had to give up his payment for the Woody Allen movie. - She was oversharing with him and all these emails. I mean, I haven't done the deep dive on her yet,

but like the way that she talked to him. It was like an oversharing public that she's doing this all in email, but she's really like... - Gossiping. - Gossiping, like craze and then forwarding him,

like the allegiance that people had to him. So many people would like forward something to him. Like that they didn't even have to. Like they'd have a clip, oh Michael, woof. - Oh my God, that fucker.

- Yeah. - I do not like that man.

“- Forwarding stuff to Epstein that you don't even have to.”

Epstein's not gonna know it. Like, he had this power over everyone and it must've been money, but it must've been something else. Like he could really... - Well, he also loved the Lion King.

Jeffrey Epstein saw the Lion King. Well, it's right Phil. - Approx, no, the stage play. - But he took it. - Oh, so into that right now, I found him. - So he was obsessed with Julie Tamor's "The Lion King"

to the, he saw at least a dozen times and it was one of the things that he would do to impress girls where he'd be like, take her to children's home. - And then like, serendipity for like...

- Yeah, for the like, the gold-beef ice cream. - Yeah, and then, and then he obviously didn't have this bedtime writing quotes from the lead on their legs. - That takes time. You know that.

You know that, you know that, Jenna. You've worked with some of the greats. - So he went to, you're saying he went to the Lion King constantly? - Yeah. - You know, I mean, it's better than Mary Poppins.

- You know what he said about Trump too, right? He said Trump was like, one of the worst people he's had. - He's evil. - Oh, he's scared of Trump. He was very scared of Trump.

- I think it was, so it helps. - I legitimately think what we're seeing is, I mean, you know, guy, I'm not gonna be careful about it, but I know that they deleted those that last, the 50 page, right?

- Depositions. - Depositions. - Yeah, about Trump's actual physical actions. - Also, people need to know, I didn't mean to cut you up, but people need to know that Trump is not emailing

in the files because Trump doesn't email and didn't email. - He's... - And he had a falling out with Epstein around 2000, whenever, I'm not exactly sure, but it was before the emails.

The emails are from like, you know, 29 to like, a little onward, like a decade onto like, 2019 or 2019, something around that? - Yeah, yes. - But Trump's falling out with Epstein was before that

So as much as he is in the files,

he's not as, it's not as indictable because he didn't actually send emails to Epstein himself. - He specifically doesn't write things down. - Right. - Which is obviously the behavior of an innocent,

president, right? - Right, it's mafia shit.

“- Because most presidents want you to remember”

every word that says, they've led birds. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And there's guys, there's jobs or to track everything that you said. - In Clinton and Bill Clinton's deposition,

he said he only, I listened to that as much as I could, you know, I do have a toddler and other work that actually pays me that I have to do, so I'm, why are you laughing? - I'm just kidding, yeah, you do have to not

just listen to me. - I know, my poor toddler is just like, "Mom, I need love." - The toddler's going, "I feel your pain." - And like, I don't want him to come one of these guys,

so I really do have to even love. But, you know, that was a, now I'm blaming moms for their sons, forget that, cut, cut, cut, okay. - Yeah, we know moms are to blame.

I'm sorry, kids finally say it's really good stuff on the chat.

I can't, it's just so nice to have some real uncut talk. - Well, as of mother-like, you're talking about Clinton. - Oh, yeah, Clinton's only sent to him, has only sent to emails according to his deposition. One was to John Glenn when he landed on the moon

and the other was to soldiers in Kosovo. And I was like, "What?" And because we don't really have an active media ecosystem, I'm like, reporting on this. So why am I obsessed with this?

It's like, it's also just, it's a way to look at the news. It's a lens through which to look at the news. I've been wanting to talk about politics for a while. I had my mom die three years ago, and I had a kid, and it's just been like a kind of headdy time for me.

So it's like this feels like a way to talk about the news. That's like niche, but also everything. So it's like we can, you know, on the podcast, it's like we do the updates just related to Epstein. Like we enter into a war with Iran.

Well, how do you connect that to Epstein Thomas Massey's thinks it's a distraction from the files? We're not gonna debate whether or not what Epstein's motive Trump. (laughing)

- We're not gonna debate what Trump's? (laughing) - Trump's motivations were because it doesn't matter what he, I mean, judging from the past, something that serves him probably,

but it doesn't matter what his motivations are. It's not gonna stop us from doing this thing. - I don't think the Iranian invasion is going to do what he wants it to.

“I think that a lot of people are already,”

I mean, like it was a big deal, but it is a big deal, but I don't believe it's going to distract people from this files. - It's not for the files, it's for the election. - Yes, that's right, right, right, right, right, right.

He's trying to keep everyone in office, so we don't have to have an election, right? - Right, cause war, it's why- - Where were we in war for like 20 years and had a election?

- Well, Trump begins doing this, you know, that this isn't like they start wars, you know? - Yeah, it's bomb eight countries, God. So I wish, yeah, I need an army. I wanted to ask you a question,

'cause there's a lot of things about this. Henry's more of an expert, I need the no things and people need to tell me. - Well, what is Melania's real connection to Epstein? - Very good question.

- From what I understand, she was one of the models, I'll say that, nicely, who- - Yeah, you know, they're a model. - Well, there was a whole apparatus of models that they brought over and they brought over a lot

for like nefarious purposes where you think you're coming here from modeling opportunities and then you're trafficked. - Yeah. - So from what I've seen, she was one of Epstein's girls.

I don't know what that means. And then ended up, I think there's an email

of like the first time she hooked up with Trump on the plane.

“- I remember that 'cause I was the term he came out”

and he said, what a great piece of ass. - Yeah, yeah. - So I mean, we know that she modeled. - Yeah. - And but she was like, I believe it was through Epstein.

So was she, yeah, I mean, like, I don't know anything else, I don't, the whole intelligent stuff is above my, like, I just, I just, very hard to corroborate that. - The whole point of like saying someone works

for some intelligence agencies like, there's no way any of us can corroborate it. - It's fake. - Yeah, and they do, they specifically choose sketchy people a lot of times too, so they can dump them.

They can scrape them off. - Yeah, yeah. - And the allegation of Epstein working for like any intelligence. I do believe, you know, like Hillary in her deposition was like, I was targeted by Russia,

right, Russian intelligence. Epstein from again, my understanding is that he didn't need to work for one intelligence agency. He had them, I mean, I don't, it seemed like he might have, you know,

the way that he courage favored everyone, maybe he did that with intelligence, but I don't think he worked for like one agency. I don't know, that is like hard for me to say, because I just don't, I haven't seen anything.

And also I listened to the interview with Julie Kay Brown and David Rubnik, and I'm just parodying what she said, and she's one of the people who's been reporting on this very extensively for a very long time. Now was Trump bankrupt in the '80s,

- No. - Well, I don't even stand in Trump Tower.

“- And the thing about Trump, and I remember like hoping”

that the tax returns would come out, and I do believe there was an Epstein email where he's like everything's in Trump's taxes.

Like all of an eight Trump never released his tax returns,

because it shows that, and then like the Trump connection with George Bank, the two people who's like the bankers at George Bank who like died or killed them, there's so much sketchy shit around Trump. I just, I can't believe that he even was able to run

in 2016 with all the dirt on him. That was already public record. - Well, that was the first thing that busted an idea about massive, conspiracy theories in my mind, 'cause I was like, in 2016, I was like,

there's no way the capital S system was gonna let Trump win. Now, the Hillary Clinton was supposed to win. Like that was all, if the system really rigs it, yeah, they had the journey for a reason. - Yes, Hillary Clinton would have won,

but so obviously there is something too voting that is in there that they can somehow like the TV man won. That's how we won, is that he was in.

He was literally ubiquitous with pop culture

for about 40 years, and then we kind of maybe, we seem to have uneducated ourselves to a point as a society where we were just like TV man's fun, I want TV man to be president, man. - Yeah, there was also, I mean,

there was mainstream reporting that came out, so I don't shoot the messenger about, like, Kremlin backed money supporting Bernie's campaign, just dividing the left, like, to survive the left. - Oh, he probably didn't even know where that money came from.

- Yeah. - Do you think that maybe, it's like, $33, so it's fine. (laughing) - I went for this suit. - I also got an Oscar, the Washington intelligence,

that's not in a subwoman, I like Bush, what am I supposed to do? - I wonder if we're actually in a better spot

“because obviously, we aren't Russia or China yet, right?”

Our media, in many ways, is a really hard gene to get back in the bottle. The our independent way of talking out to the internet and do is actually extremely difficult to clamp down now. So we have more information than ever,

which is part of the reason why I think the current con with the Iranian invasion, and all these guys coming out and talking, and literally not even giving us a reason why and just kind of blowing it all through,

I think that the hypocrisy itself is finally starting

to sort of come to the surface because there's just, there's too much information accessible for us to not see that you're wrong in your life. - Okay, so I think a couple things, I think our media ecosystem is very broken

and potentially beyond our pair. And I think part of that has to do with the fact that it's so fragmented. When you have people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz, performing public opinion, it's really, really scary.

- But it seems like the problem then is the problem not the public that they're referring to. - Well, we're not an educated population. We don't have media literacy, which is huge. And I wanna agree with you that people

can have access to information, but there's information overload, there are unreliable messengers, and then with what happened on Twitter, it's like our platforms can just be taken away in a heartbeat. So the local news apparatus is going away,

but that's really like people digging in their communities, having trusted sources and like working together. I mean, all that's kind of going away. Like the cable news, the local news, local news, being gutted is really, is really bad for democracy.

And so yeah, people might have access to information, you know, it could be information overload where then they just tune out because there's just too much misinformation. And it's really hard to sift there.

And again, that's partly why. So the podcast 'cause I'm like going into the files and I'm like, I'm going crazy. And then I go on Twitter, and I'd see some AI shit, and I would fall for it.

And I'd be like, I feel like this, for someone who is emotionally vulnerable, like this could trigger psychosis. Yeah. People and then, you know, and then I just have to step back

and bring on a journalist and be like, okay,

“like let's just focus on like, what are the indictable claims?”

Like what are the invest, what can we investigate? Who can we put pressure on to unredact things? Get the actual information out there, investigate the claims and then prosecute the people who are criminals, hold them accountable.

Now, when it comes to Trump, doesn't he not have full immunity because of what got passed right before he became president? Well, yeah, he's, well, I think it's supposed to be immunity for acts considered under the guise of the presidency.

Okay, all right, so he doesn't have just full president show immunity, like all presidents you can. Right, right, you can't indict us in president. But also, I mean, good luck, seriously. But I don't think it's, I mean, when I say that this is going

to take Trump down, I think if it's going to take him down, it's going to be by like, you know, flipping like the house and the Senate in the midterms. And then if that doesn't happen, I don't, I just don't,

I think he's, um, I think he's going to die.

Yeah, time. I forgot about time. I forgot about the time.

“I think that father time is the really only thing the thick”

and really come into play here. And I think that thankfully, because normally bastards live forever, like my fucking piece of shit content grandmother lived till she was 95 years old. She just hung on her chain is back alive.

Yeah, I think it's a lot, but I think it, yeah, normally people with no souls live for a long time. But I do also think that he's just so unhealthy that there's only so much evil that can keep him alive. We'll see his father lived to about 95 or something.

But at least by then, he really was just tapioca with pubic hair. I mean, but he can Trump can, that's great. That's a great visual. And stable as a beautiful sidebearing horse.

Yeah. But I also think like worse than Trump are, like, J.D. and some T.L. and they're kind of like running the ship. So T.L. is the most terrifying person in the bunch of terrifying.

“Nothing, well, and the only thing the cartons me is that none of them”

were a television producer, though. J.D. Vance is going to get torn to peace. Well, that's where I think the files come back in. You know what I mean? That's where it's like when Trump is out of the picture, like no

one else who doesn't have Trump's appeal can justify any of the shit. It's going to be difficult. And that's why we need the rock. That's right. And I hope that Duane Johnson can take up the torch and

be the next unbelievably crooked president of one final question for you, Jenna. October 14th in Florida is now Charlie Kirk remember in stay. How are you celebrating?

Oh, my god. You tried to get me death wrong. Oh, okay. Wait, we did it all this episode. Who is Charlie Kirk?

“If I was your professional media troll, I was like, who are you talking about? I missed the news that day. I don't know. I'll answer your question with another question. What is a woman?”

I mean, I live in California. It's like whatever you want it to be. Whatever.

Wow. That's incredible. You're so lucky. Thank you so much, Jenna, for coming by.

Jenna Friedman, listen to the Epstein files book club. It's available wherever you listen to podcasts with at least you. Jenna Friedman on Instagram. And of course, Motherfucker goes see Motherfucker. It's going to be in LA on April 8th in Austin on April 10th. Thank you. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Jim. Thank you, Jenna. Well, how about that, huh? 40 minutes of pure Epstein. I could talk about it for longer. I could keep going. I need that like basic baseline info that we just got.

That's very important for me. I feel like I like advanced past like we did. I just like I've just thought I'm not just reading his emails and like I'm pretending I'm him. But also funnily enough, she brought up the whole dental angle. Yes. And I think that that is going to be a massive part of this story. We create a shool-yac connecting all of these because like I was just reading a searching another

thing that they were talking about another massive pedophile that would use dental care as a way to get in. And this makes a lot of sense for young women. Like I remember like, I remember when I met Natalie, she was suffering from horrific dental problems. Yeah. And that was like one of those things where it was really hard for her. And we've got so they fucking expensive.

And everything that a pocket if you don't have the insurance. And so I think that he would find beautiful women. I think he would find beautiful women in mental hygienist. Yes. But I think he would use it on beautiful women. I would say I'm going to make your teeth because you can be a model. How's it going to say? A dental hygienist or the tourists are very attractive. Yeah.

Yeah. I actually, you know, I, yeah. Right. Sometimes I think so. I actually find you might dental the Duke hygienist. I work with her more so like, um, kind of older. Yeah. It's older women. Well, you know, 10 year. Yeah. You're like a season woman. Um, all right. Let's get into one listener email. I love listeners emails. Do we have a stanger? Sorry I threw that on your eye. Good work. Yeah. I got this, this, this one that we really liked.

You know, the. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. Let's do it. We don't always do one. Are you ready?

Yes. Oh, you're only every. Yes. Sure. Sure. Yeah. We got one of these. We got to actually bunch of these on this subject about the 11 year old being tried as an adult. Okay. There's

and not jail. I understand. Yes. But I also got several emails that I thought were interesting

that were basically being like 11 year old to dangerous. So you. So are you going to read the

ones that make you sound right or the ones that make me sound right? That's the best part. So I could do anything I want. Um, but no, this is like, this is interesting. It's because really it was just more about juvenile's tried as an adult. Yeah. Um, I do, I do, it really depends on where you're at. And Florida, I remember when my buddy was murdered by another young man, uh, that guy was tried as an adult, but he liked tied him to a tree and shot him in the head.

And so that was the government? No. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

“great. Sleep as day. I don't need him coming to find me. Yeah, come on. Let's get it. I think he's”

out now. Perfect. How does that amount of show? So just one let you know, but the case of Clayton

Dietz, the 11 year old who confessed to killing his father, can be transferred to juvenile court.

It's currently an adult court because in the state of Pennsylvania, all murder charges, regardless of the age of the offender, start an adult court. Most states have a minimum statutory age, which a person can be tried as an adult. And the youngest age, any state is written into law is 12. Okay. Pennsylvania is the only state that automatically sends all homicides to adult court. And if somebody under the age of 15 is convicted as an adult, the maximum sentence allowable

is life with the possibility of parole after 25 years. So essentially, so this is an example. In 2009 and 11 year old Pennsylvania boy was initially charged as an adult with killing his dad's fiance. But that was when he then then he was sent to juvenile court where he was found delinquent

“and sent to a juvenile facility where he has to stay until the age of 21. So this is one of those”

it goes back and forth. He will be essentially tried as an adult and then he could be sentenced as an adult. But they essentially what they'll do is no matter what, he will be put in a youth wing or in a very high high security juvenile center and told he's like 18, then he goes in terms of 21. That's one, that was a previous case. Oh, but he probably will go to like 18, then go to jail up until the 25 year marker hits and then he can go up for parole. Yeah. So

he at earliest, he's getting out of 36. Yes. If he gets it, if he if he if they throw the book out of him, man, no fucking chance of a decent life. No, damn. No, but hey, you know, the problem is is that he, I do, I've got to come around a little bit more, but the idea that obviously kids don't know what they're doing. I know kids don't know, kids don't know what they're doing, because don't you don't have a fucking solid brain until you 25 years old. I completely understand

that. Yeah. It's just what do you do? And I, several emails also said about the idea that kids are kind of intense right now. Very much so, very much, note the crazy part about this is is if he missed, almost nothing would happen. Yeah. If he missed, we would probably wouldn't even know about it. The dad would have just taken the gun from him and fucking put it back in the suitcase and slapped him around a little bit, and it's not what you do. I feel like that. You can get the

kid fires a gun at you. You're out of there. You can hit him. You think of that one? Wow. I'm going to get this email. I can't wait for the email. Side story is [email protected]. Went to okay to hit a child when they fire around and you know what, my dad hit me exactly once. And it was when I pulled the steering wheel out of his hand and I still think he's right. Yeah, you know, I swear to the, like, we were driving and pulled the steering wheel. We almost crashed. He hit

me. I never pulled the steering wheel out of anyone else's hand, the rest of my life. I've

no intentions of doing that. Even to the root of stuber drivers watching something last time. I was like, kids attacking somebody and I was doing that. Be like, no, no, this would happen if someone gave one to children or whoop. That's the thing need to do is give his towel, whoop. I don't know. No, no, I obviously don't hit kids. But if he shot fucking

“thing about it, I think it's if he shot at you and he missed. Yeah, I guess you do have to, you do”

have to beat him with an inch of his life. Only just because you can't come for the king and miss. That's the thing. Never try to kill your father and not get it. You better kill me, son. Remember or do you tell him that or do you take the gun and play Russian roulette with the son, right? And you tell him you're playing Russian roulette, but you lied to him, right? Yeah. And you said it all up. And then you get him ready. You can make them pull it a couple of times.

And then until you're certain that it would be one bullet left right and he's crying, shouldn't he's crying stuff. And then you take the gun under his hands. It's like, this is why you don't fuck with your father. There you go. See? And people said, and you didn't hit him, you didn't hit him once. You should be a dad. You don't really want to be a dad. I'm a group of these type of conversations all the time.

not to be fathers. Also, this is us as single fathers. You have to remember, this is us with no

feedback. Also, yeah. I mean, yeah. So I, but I do find it crazy that if he missed, he still would have the same intention. What? You could have turned talking to you for me. I know,

“but I'm just saying his whole life is destroyed because he's a good shot. Yeah. That is the main issue.”

Could have been John Wick. Yes. Yes. I mean, you know, he did a point blank. Who was in a good shot? Yeah. Well, I'm fucking still hope for the best for this little fucker. I'm afraid of him. But I don't want him in the room. But I do want someone who cares to take care of. He's just very, obviously an 11 year. He's just very, obviously an 11 year old boy. And he probably should, there, there's got to be someone else going in there. We also, I still don't think anything.

That's what really happened to the father. I don't think the father did anything. I did get it also an

interesting email from somebody that I think his father's kids should be scary. Potter. Cute. That's fun. That's here. That prison. Yeah. Oh, I called for a father. That's for free. I'm scary. Potter. Don't many such a joy. But also, so we said in the foster system, you can also see the kid was adopted. There are kids that are. It is, they have no nothing but betrayal from adults. You know, there is that. If you've been adopted, you've been betrayed by somebody.

And now you're been refound and you're, you're loved. But you had to deal with somebody saying, I don't want you know anymore. And I think that that is hard. It is hard. And the foster system, you know, it's a very like, thankless place where a lot of people take advantage of everything. And then even the fucking band sucks. Oh, yeah. Foster the people. Tell me garbage. Also, I'm not fostering people. Yeah. You know, I foster the children. Foster the dogs. Even a cat.

“If you have to, wow, not people, assholes. Well, there's been a great episode. Last”

comment book in the left is a new thing. Go check that out. Go and get last comment book on the left. We are on a server of Z2 comics. This is the fun. It's nothing to do with me. It's nothing to do with them. It's nothing to do with me. But I forgot how good this shit is. Go pre-order it.

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on, uh, detective popcorn that we did with the incredible writer, uh, Ellie Rohan. How long is the cliff hanger been? Dude, you'll see. Like, no, I'm saying, what was the last, uh, in the last thing? Come out. Like, exactly like four years. Yeah. Long time. This is like since before my tenure, yeah, Brad. So people have been waiting for this shit. Yeah. So go out there and you're going to get this. This is the conclusion to the whole thing. Last comment book on the left,

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“extremely limited. So if you want to be a part of this jump on top, tickets are on sale on March 25th,”

Henry and I are leading two tours through the mystic museum is going to be fun out here in Burbank. We're literally. It's going to be you can get tickets at the mystic museum.com, the mystic museum.com for tickets. Get them there. It's we're leading two tours at 6.30 and 7.30. This is like 15 people each tour. Do it. It's going to be fun. Very hard to get these tickets. If you want to come see this, this is going to be really stupid. We take you through a

bunch of horror movies and we're going to make fun of it. It's going to be a blast. I'm going to have Eric from the mystic museum. I'm going to be walking around with us. So whenever we say something and correct you'll correct this, it's going to have, so we're going to have a lot of fun coming check it out. It's going to be very chaotic. Get very high. Get me eat some mushrooms. There's some scary shit in there. You'll be scared. It's also like bloody scenes from horror movies. It's very silly.

We're going to have a blast doing this. That's going to be in Burbank at the mystic museum, March 25th at 6.30 and 7.30. Get your tickets at the mystic museum.com. And also the week after that. I'm good Friday. You can check out Amber and I at the Lyric Hyperion. That's going to be on April 3rd at 7 p.m. Go and get tickets there. Also, crime wave at sea is at dude. Come out to crime wave at sea 2.0. We are going to have so much fucking fun. You can pay for it over the year.

Coming coming join us on the high seas last year. We did it. It was a fucking blast. It was insane. I think we got a lot of repeat customers. So it's going to be we're definitely going to be switching up our show. It's not going to be the same thing. We did last year. We're doing it entirely different. They were going to have so much fun. Crime wave at sea.com/last. That's right, baby. Go get that shouldn't indian or banner. We'll see you this weekend. I can't wait to fucking eat your sausage and

party and poop up all your bathrooms. It's going to be a blast. Oh, and I wanted to give a nice shout out.

some humor. Thank you buddy for coming on board. As you can see, see what would happen.

“As you can see, we're already better, aren't we? Yes, we're already better. I think we did nothing”

that he gave us. Nothing. It's great. It's a good investment. That's life. We're going to

like we're back. We'll be back in there. Don't you worry. You live every day. No one for a fact.

“That story comes every week. No matter what you do, right? And you laugh at us. You know,”

laugh at us because we're the funniest thing on Netflix, since come and see. And you're just going to just love giving it up to Jennifer Edmund. Oh, man. I might fuck you guys. Bye, everybody. Have a good

“use of hell. Tommy Takara, the great voice of Boston the band he died. That first album rocks. It's all”

me and not the first time. I love that fucking song. It's a musical journey of the first time.

Tommy Takara. Adios, you had a beautiful, high pitched voice. I hope you finally lose your virginity in heaven.