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“years in the way that women talk about menopause and perimenopause. Honestly, I feel like even”
seeing women talk about it at all. That's new. It is totally new. And I've noticed it as a woman who just turned 40 and as a doctor. You know, when I learned about menopause in medical school 15 years ago, I learned that hormone therapy was dangerous and should be avoided at all cost. And I learned
that the symptoms of menopause were no big deal. And that women should just deal with them.
And the tide is turning. I think people are really eager for treatment. They're really eager for open conversations about this period of life. And the science is changing. Right? The science is showing that actually hormone therapy is much safer than we thought 15 years ago. Hey, it's Marianne Segata, you're listening to LifeKit. And that was Dr. Mara Gordon. She's a
“family medicine doctor and the author of NPR's real talk with a doc column. We're talking about”
hormone therapy, which is a way to treat the symptoms of perimenopause and menopause, like hot flashes, which can interrupt your sleep and make your day-to-day life miserable. You're at work, for instance,
and you suddenly start sweating profusely in a situation where no one else is sweating. It's the
constant, like, take the sweater off, put it back on, because now you're cold after it's over. You're covered in sweat and you're cold. It can really, really disrupt your quality of life. All right, some quick definitions here. Menopause is defined as a year with no menstrual bleeds. Although that definition can be confusing for women who already don't have a menstrual bleed, whether that's temporary or permanent. Maybe they've gone through cancer treatment or
surgery or they have PMOS. In those cases, doctors may say, "Yes, you're probably in menopause, based on your age and your symptoms and sometimes a blood test." So that's menopause. And then perimenopause is the period leading up to menopause. It's the period of hormonal shifts that start to occur as women approach menopause and it is different for every woman when perimenopause starts. I mean, there are hormonal changes up to 10 years before menopause, but I would say typically
people are experiencing the most symptoms that sort of bring them to the doctor and say, "Hey, you know, I'm experiencing hot flashes. I'm experiencing sleep disturbances. I'm experiencing you know, change in my mental focus in my mood." Those I would say are typically three to five years before the onset of menopause, but again, every woman's different and I have people coming to me in the early 40s asking about symptoms and saying, "Hey, is this perimenopause?"
One suggestion that I've seen a lot, especially on social media, is to do hormone therapy
“if you're going into perimenopause or menopause. What does hormone therapy involve?”
So when doctors talk about hormone therapy for menopause, we are typically talking about taking a medication that involves an estrogen and a progesterine. And estrogen and progesterone are two hormones that are created in the body and they tend to decline as women approach menopause. And as they decline, women experience a lot of different symptoms. Most notably hot flashes or sort of the classic menopause symptom that women experience as the estrogen and progesterone
decline. So in order to treat those symptoms, doctors offer an estrogen and what's called a progesterine. And progesterine just includes progesterone, which is made in the body and what are called progestens, which are synthetic progesterones. And most women will take a combination of an estrogen and a progesterine in order to treat the symptoms of menopause as their hormones decline and they approach their last period. And menopausal hormone therapy can come in
different forms. So sometimes people will take pills by mouth. Sometimes people will use a patch. There are creams, IUDs, are considered a progesterine because they emit a progesterine that can help with menopausal symptoms. So there's tons of different options when we talk
About menopausal hormone therapy, but they're typically involving those two h...
And what is hormone therapy good at treating, which symptoms of perimenopause or menopause?
So hormone therapy is really, really, really good at treating hot flashes. So the technical term for hot flashes is called vasomotor symptoms. It's usually hot flashes and night sweats which affect a large percentage of women as they approach menopause. And hormone therapy is really, really good at taking those away. I just want to pause here and say they're terrible. I went through that gone through them. I have them still sometimes because of breast cancer treatment.
Yeah. But have you experienced them? I have not, but my patients tell me about them and they can be really debilitated. They can really disrupt your quality of life. Yeah, it makes it hard to sleep. I don't know if that has come up for your patients.
If you're dev waking up soaked in sweat every hour, you're never getting that restful sleep that
“you need. Totally. And sleep is so important. We needed to function, which I feel like humans.”
And so to take that seriously as a doctor and to be able to offer my patients something that helps them feel really good. So hormone therapy can also help with what's called the genital urinary syndrome of menopause. This is extremely common in primary menopause and after the menopausal transition. And basically, the vulva becomes sort of dried out and it can be really uncomfortable for women to have sex. It can cause symptoms that feel like a urinary tract infection.
It can cause urinary tract infections. So hormone therapy can really, really help with that. Take away one. Hormone therapy can be an effective treatment for these symptoms, particularly hot flashes and pain in your urinary tract or your vulva. Mara has also reported that it can lower the risk of fractures for women who have a high risk of osteoporosis and it can help keep bone strong. But that most medical organizations don't recommend it for that purpose alone. But of
course, it comes with risks and the thinking about those risks has changed as we've learned more. We'll talk about that after the break. History is intriguing, but unlike the present, it can feel far off. On NPR's throughline, we bring it back to life and put you in the middle of it. Go inside the stories from men that shape the world we live in now. Find NPR's throughline wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so you're driving to work or you're on a walk or you're at
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big stories every morning so you can stay informed and get on with your day and fewer than 15 minutes. Follow or subscribe up first today wherever you get podcasts. Another supposed benefit of hormone therapy that folks may have seen is that it can lower your risk of heart disease. Is that true? So again, 15 years ago when we thought that hormone therapy was much riskier than it actually turns out to be. The reason we thought it was so scary was because a lot of the
studies that initially examined the outcomes with hormone therapy looked at much older women using it. So women in their 60s even in their 70s and we found back then that taking hormone therapy when your hand years from menopause actually can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease.
“And so that's why doctors were so scared of it. And what's now emerging in the science is something”
that doctors call the timing hypothesis, which means the time of life in which you use hormone therapy really, really matters for outcomes. So actually using hormone therapy for women in their 40s and 50s right around the time when women transition into menopause and often their symptoms are most pronounced. There's a lot of open questions about whether or not hormone therapy might actually be protective of the heart during this period. But the science isn't there to be able
to promise that to women. Take away too. Hormone therapy is recommended as a treatment for the
Symptoms of parry menopause and menopause.
protect you against heart disease or help you live longer. That's just not proven. And the U.S.
“Preventative Services Task Force, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists,”
and the menopause society do not recommend hormone therapy for longevity, heart health, or preventing chronic conditions based on the data they have now. Also, it seems that hormone therapy might carry different risks depending on your age. So for this younger age range in your 40s, 50s, how risky is hormone therapy considered to be now and what are the risks? So hormone therapy does have some risks and it's really important to be open about it with patients and have that
discussion about the risks and benefits so that people can make an informed decision. So typically, women who has had breast cancer herself, I would say let's proceed with caution because there is some data to suggest that hormone therapy can increase the risk of breast cancer recurrence. A woman who has had a blood clot, I would proceed with caution because hormone therapy can increase the risk of blood clots and a woman with really active cardiovascular disease. Somebody who had a
heart attack within a year, something like that, I would say let's proceed with caution and hold off.
“And in those patients, I wouldn't say, hey, you have to live with this, you know,”
just deal with your hot flashes. We actually have lots of non-hormonal treatments for these emotor symptoms that can really help people and often I'll even try those in patients who have some concerns about menopausal hormone therapy. They aren't sure if they want to try hormones, but they're still having symptoms. We'll say, okay, let's try another medication that is not
hormones first and people often find that their symptoms totally go away without even needing to use
hormones. And yeah, I mean, it depends on the symptom, right? You have to treat the hot flashes specifically and then the general urinary symptoms specifically. If you fall into one of these higher risk categories where hormone therapy, at least the stomach hormone therapy wouldn't be a good idea for you. What about the localized kind, like an estrogen cream if you're having painful sex? Local, low estrogen cream that's used in the vagina is safe for almost everybody. So even if you
have had breast cancer, even if you have serious heart disease, local estrogen that's used to treat the genital urinary symptoms totally safe because it's not absorbed throughout the whole body. So it doesn't affect the organs that might be at higher risk from systemic hormone therapy. I would also offer certain classes of antidepressants can be helpful to treat hot flashes, called SNRIs and can really really help reduce hot flashes and night sweats. So I'll often recommend
that as my first line treatment to women who have one of those conditions that might make
hormone therapy a little bit riskier. And there's a medication called Biosa that was FDA approved in 2023 and it can really help reduce hot flashes and it contains no hormones. So it's safe for women who have one of those conditions that might make hormones higher risk. I don't prescribe it much because it's often quite expensive, but that's another option that hopefully will become more affordable in the coming years. Take away three. If you have a history of breast cancer or
blood clots or some other conditions, your doctor will likely not recommend systemic hormone therapy.
“But that doesn't mean you have to suffer. Local estrogen cream may be an appropriate treatment”
if you're having pain in your urinary tract or her vulva and there are other medications you can take for hot flashes, including SNRIs and a drug called Biosa. What about other kinds of treatments like acupuncture or certain supplements? Both of those were recommended to me by my cancer hospital. I mean, I think with all of these treatments that don't have a ton of research on them, I think we just don't know what the evidence is going to show. And I don't want to dismiss them
out of hand if acupuncture is helpful for my patient by all means to acupuncture. If a supplement is helpful for my patient and it's affordable to you by all means, I think what I take issue with is a lot of companies really aggressively market these treatments that don't have a ton of science to back them up and sort of over promise on what they can offer people. And that's when I say, hey, don't take advantage of the fact that there's the swelling of interest around menopause.
Don't abuse it.
earning back the trust of women and saying, hey, we take your symptoms seriously. We take your
“concern seriously and we want to treat them with evidence-based treatments. And when companies”
come in and say, here, by this stuff that I am marketing and making a lot of money off of, we lose women's trust if it isn't effective. What would you say to a woman who's experiencing these symptoms of pairing menopause and not making headway in getting treatment? Maybe their doctor is just missing their concerns or maybe they just haven't found the right treatment for them yet. In that scenario, I would recommend that somebody look for doctors who have gotten certified
by the menopause society. So the menopause society is an organization that offers training resources,
lots of up to date information about menopause. It's really where I go to look up the most evidence-based and up-to-date science about menopause and doctors can take a test that gets them
“certified with the menopause society and says, hey, the doctor really knows what they're doing when”
it comes to menopause care. And that's a good place to start looking for a doctor who has that certification in your area. And there's a lot of telehealth companies that offer menopause care, which is really cool now that we have the technology to be able to offer telehealth
services, menopause care, something that really lands itself to telehealth because a lot of it is
just talking with my patients and understanding what their symptoms are. There's often not that much that changes with a physical exam in terms of the recommendations I make. So finding a telehealth provider who is menopause society certified is another good way to go. Mara, thank you so much for this, my pleasure. All right y'all, time for recap. Take away one hormone therapy can be an effective treatment for the symptoms of perimenopause and menopause particularly hot flashes and pain in
your urinary tract or your vulva. But of course, it comes with risks and the thinking about those risks has changed as we've learned more. Take away two, any other promises you've heard about hormone therapy that are going to protect you against heart disease or help you live longer. That is not proven. Also, it seems that hormone therapy might carry different risks depending on your age. Take away three, if you have a history of breast cancer or blood clots or some other conditions,
“your doctor will likely not recommend systemic hormone therapy. But that doesn't mean you have to”
suffer. Local estrogen cream may be an appropriate treatment if you're having pain in your urinary tract or your vulva and there are other medications you can take for hot flashes, including SNRIs and a drug called VOSA. Lastly, if you're having symptoms of what you think is pairing menopause and you can't seem to get treatment, look for a doctor who's certified by the menopause society. And if there isn't one in your area, consider a telehealth visit because you may not need a physical
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