306. The TikTok Double Homicide - The Murder of Ana Abulaban and Rayburn Barron

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She never has any accidents.

She's just a good dog. But it maybe it's my fault, maybe it's our fault. She gets me up at the same time every night, at around 3.30 a.m., because she needs to go to the bathroom. And she doesn't need to go. So I don't know if we're giving her water to the problem is she, she goes poop.

If something like she goes pee, because we're giving her water, she takes a dump. At 3.30 a.m., every single night. She's embarrassed. And I get up and I take her and it's 10 degrees outside and I sit there and I'm like, Daisy, please hurry up and she takes a dump every night and I don't really know what to do.

We can't do doggy door. She's too small to be going outside. There's big animals that could get her so she can't go out alone. And so I have to take her out and it's fine. I do it every single night.

But if anyone has any tricks, it doesn't even matter what time we feed her. I'll feed her at 12 in the afternoon or I'll feed her at 11 o'clock at night. 3.30 a.m., dump. I think we just have to say no. But I don't want her to poop on my bed.

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Anyways, that's it. Ramble in a little bit. Let's get into today's case. Our sources for this episode are NBC San Diego San Diego.gov CBS 8.com. Times of San Diego.com New York Post 10 News.com people.com Oxygen.com USA inquire.net.

Eonline.com, rollingstone.com variety.com and TikTok star murders. Oh, okay. That makes a little sense because nowadays, anyone can become a celebrity without ever stepping foot out of their front door with things like YouTube Instagram, TikTok, even only fans.

But when fame is that accessible and that achievable to just about anyone,

the smallest taste can be like a drug.

“Every single like can create a serotonin boost.”

Every positive comment is a hit that leaves you wanting more. And if this attention starts to fade away, it can be like an addict coming down from a high. And over time, it can turn people into someone. We no longer recognize, including a cold-blooded killer. And so today, I want you guys to me, Anna Marie Abu-The-Bon.

Hello. Beba, baby.

Now, Anna spent her early years growing up in the Philippines in the mid-90s.

But with her father in the military, they eventually moved to Okinawa, Japan, and lived on the base there. And that's where Anna made a lot of lifelong friends,

“other kids who were living on the base in this sub-tropical part of the country.”

They made memories on the beaches there together. And friends of Anna said in the early years, she was like most teenagers. She was a little nerdy. She was finding herself. She loved video games.

She was maybe a little insecure, socially awkward. But Anna was one of the most caring, compassionate people they had ever met. And she was a loyal friend through and through. And those friends helped her find her confidence over the years as she blossomed into a beautiful, empowered young woman.

And then, she met Ali Abu-The-Bon. It was 2014 when 21-year-old Anna laid eyes on 22-year-old Ali for the first time. He was a US soldier in the military from Virginia, but also stationed on the base in Japan where she lived.

And while she was quiet and more reserved, Ali was always the center of attention.

He had a huge personality. He was the singer in a band. And right away, they gravitated towards each other in an opposite-attract sort of way. Ali came from a Middle Eastern Muslim family, so they were a lot more religious than Anna's family. But Ali himself didn't consider religion a big part of his like outside life personality.

Yeah. In fact, he almost seemed to butt heads with his family quite a bit when it came to traditionalism. He was always sort of the black sheep of the family. The loud, boisterous one who was making home videos, doing different skits and dances and characters for the camera. It was clear to everyone who knew Ali that he wanted to make something of himself one day.

“Honestly, he kind of wanted to be a star, which maybe why he found that college wasn't for him.”

He dropped out early and joined the Air Force when he was around 19 years old. Ali told people he really wanted to better himself, both mentally and physically, and he felt the air force was the way to do that. So he was stationed in Japan for what was supposed to be about two to three years of service. But things didn't go exactly as planned. So not long after Ali and Anna started dating, they were out at a bar with a few other people.

And that night, a drunk Ali got into a fight with one of Anna's friends and actually assaulted them. Some thought it was because Ali was jealous, this person hid, made a pass at his new girlfriend. Really, it was just one of the earliest red flags. And I'm not sure exactly what happened during this fight, but I do know it got back to Ali's superiors on base and it got him discharged from the military.

Which meant Ali was now headed back to America. But he and Anna weren't quite ready to call it quits, because just a few weeks after Ali returned to live with his family in Bristol, Virginia in 2015, Anna learned she was pregnant. Now, by this point, Anna's family had moved back to the Philippines. And after Ali went back to America, Anna moved back in with her parents in her home country to figure out her next step.

So they both left Japan returned home to their families, but Anna is pregnant. But now it seems like the universe was making decisions for them. Both Anna and Ali were excited but nervous, though they saw this as a sign that they were definitely meant to be together.

Now, of course, this did take some time and eventually, Anna gave birth to the couples

“little girl back in the Philippines and they named her Amira.”

And when she was about nine months old, Ali and Anna received some good news. Anna was approved to move to the States with their young daughter. And by the end of 2016, Anna and Amira were in Bristol, Virginia living with Ali and his family all underneath the same roof. Now, in January of 2017, they decided to make their relationship more official. They didn't have a huge elaborate wedding. Instead, they just went down to the courthouse.

But to Ali and Anna, only one thing was important at the time, starting their lives together as one happy family. And around this same time, social media was seeing a massive shift. TikTok, formerly, musically, had launched in 2016. And it was clear that anyone could become a celebrity

“from their own home using nothing but their phone. Maybe a ring light. I think this like first started with”

Vine where you were seeing average people blow up and get so many followers. And for Ali,

it was the perfect rule. As the kid who always wanted to entertain and be the center of attention,

Ali saw TikTok as a way to gain more exposure early on. Get his face and his antics in front of more people. So he hopped on the app a lot earlier than the rest of us. And he navigated it pretty well. He began making little comedy videos, imitating characters from video games, characters from movies like John Wick and his iconic Al Pacino in Scarface. And honestly, he was pretty good at it. He really committed to the bit and was incredible at doing impressions. And little by little,

he gained a fallowing on the app under the handle, gin kid. On TikTok? Yes. Okay.

“So a gin in Japanese is like an entity or ghost if I'm understanding right?”

And Ali thought it was a catchy word to attach kid to. And since he had served in Japan, well, he came up with the name and from there it was off to the races. Okay. And the more views likes and followers he got, the more Ali lost himself in gin kid. He becomes obsessed with his platform. He begins including Anna in a lot of his videos. It almost seemed like something they really enjoyed doing together. And a lot of those early

TikToks they're seen together laughing, joking around, having a lot of fun. Anna would even play characters and some of his skits. She said it brought them closer than ever before. Social media is such a wild place. It's crazy. I'm like anything else out there. Right, especially those early days. Yeah, I'm even now though. Like it's just such a, like an escape. Like you don't know what's really, you don't know what's not really, you don't know how people really are behind closed doors.

It's just such an interesting place. And think like 2017, 2018 couples doing skits was not as big as it became in like 2021. Yeah, sure. So they were definitely like early on that. Yeah. Now she says it really brought them closer together. And it actually brought even more attention to all these page by having Anna in those videos. They become a couple. Hey, just essentially. And then around 2019 into 2020, probably like for any other TikTok

or things really started picking up steam, Ali got himself a manager to help promote his content. He started getting some small brand deals, becoming an influencer. Plus, his videos were going viral by now. One day, one of Anna's old friends was fed Jinkid's content on her feed and was shocked to see Anna in a video alongside him. And that's when a lot of people started to realize they were becoming TikTok famous by 2020. Keep in mind, this is one of the most of us we're getting on

the app. Ali had a mast to million followers. And Anna's fame was starting to grow separately

on her own account now. Now when the pandemic hit, Anna bored and stuck at home began making her own videos with her friends. And partially thanks to Ali, her following got bigger and bigger too. Soon her style changed. She began dressing differently. She began working out more. She was getting brand deals. It was finding her confidence. But it wasn't really what made her happy. Her family,

a hobby to her than a passion. And while she was definitely getting more attention online, she felt lonely and lonely at home as they began blowing up. I wonder, gosh, 2020 is such an awkward time because they probably weren't making their money full of time from brands. Like, it was just, it was still pretty new at that point. I feel like, no, I'm saying. I mean, like, high-pouse probably hasn't even started yet. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know if brands were

really, I would assume paying what they pay now. They're paying it now. I don't know idea.

I've never done a TikTok ad. So wrong person that's. But it was definitely right around the corner.

Like, it was definitely about to get big. She's feeling lonely at home, though, because even though

“they're like, what should be on a high, because of the way their life is changing,”

Ali was dedicating a lot more of his personal time to his own social media presence. Her friends said she felt like she was living Ali's life, not her own, like her whole life had become this TikTok thing. He had his family in Virginia, but her family and friends were so far away back in the Philippines. So that's when one of her friends Julia, who was living in San Diego at the time suggested, hey, like, leave Virginia and come out to California and visit.

She figured a vacation and a break from being a mom and a wife, or just a weekend, might do her some good. And that trip really changed everything for Anna and Ali. So after having to convince Ali to let her go, Anna goes and falls in love with the city. And she sort of got a piece of herself back, felt a little bit independent. She and her friends were getting dressed up, going out dancing. And being back with friends, many of whom she had grown up

with in Japan, made her realize how much she missed having her own circle around her. Interesting. Yeah, that would be tough, that would be tough. And if you're not someone who, like, well, also, she's just a mom. She has an entire life. It's not as easy as, like, just being a young adult on your own, going somewhere new and trying to make friends. So when she gets back to Virginia, she pitched something to Ali. She's like, hey, I know we moved to California for a

little while, try it out. It definitely took some convincing, but with LA being just a few hours

from San Diego, Ali saw the benefit for his career. Ultimately, he wanted his fame to grow beyond

TikTok. He wanted to become an actor, a comedian, get on a bigger screen, though he eventually agreed. And in February of 2021, Ali, Anna, and their baby Amira moved out to California. They got a place in a luxury apartment building, overlooking the water. I above the city. So they, I mean, they're making money at this point. So I was like, on the 35th, I mean, they have millions of followers. And it first, Anna was really grateful that Ali agreed to move.

So much so that she felt she had to do whatever it took to make him comfortable there. Now that he was moving somewhere, he didn't have anyone. So she encouraged Ali to go up to LA for several nights in a row, meet up with other creators, and maybe even try out some stand-up

“comedy in a few nightclubs. This is so interesting. I wonder if I've seen him on TikTok?”

I bet you probably. Like, I wonder if I've seen his face if I would recognize it, because the name does not ring any bells. She was definitely supportive in letting him chase his dreams in California too. But when people started recognizing Ali out in public and the fame began to seep into real life, people say it brought out the worst in him.

Turns out, a lot of Anna's friends said they never really liked Ali. They found him intolerable

and obnoxious. They talked about himself constantly. Would say uncomfortable things always thought he was better than everyone else even before the fame. He would walk into rooms and say things like, don't you know who I am? And at this point, the partying was getting really out of control. Both Anna and Ali would go out often and Ali began using a lot of cocaine. Soon, it extended to nights when they weren't even out at the clubs. They would be dining at a

“restaurant and Ali would pull out a baggy at the table. A baggy, don't you drugs kids?”

People felt like he felt. He was allowed to do whatever he wanted with no repercussions. Eventually, he even started using drugs during his live streams. Anna would tell him to stop and put the phone down in those moments. I think you can do that. No, you can't. Yeah, it's a crazy thing.

behavior too because he's now like sneaking drugs during a live and on is in the back like you'll do that. And he will like full-blown yell at her in like on live just snap at her. I need to look videos up after this. Yeah. Oh, so you're going, Luke's gonna be there. I told you we're going to

“hold town. Yeah, you're going. And you're going. Yeah, why do you have to bring a kid?”

Obviously, like the couple would caption their videos with things like, when your relationship is drama free, like other relationship videos out there. That's what I'm saying, though. You just,

we all know social media is not real life. Never believe anything he's the only one. And it is

always interesting with couple creators to see like they're posting these videos like just couple videos. And then the next day they post a video being like, we're breaking up. Bye. And people get so confused because they're like, whoa, you were still posting. And like get, you know, it's job. Get the job, right? So they're doing it because they have brand deals with job. They're trying to make money, yadi, yadi, yada. For sure. But that's the thing. It's a job. Yeah. And honestly, the more perfect

someone per trades themselves to be online chances are the less perfect. It might all be

“we overcompensate a little bit as humans. And that was certainly the case with Anna and Ollie.”

Anna's friends said from the moment they moved to San Diego, they could tell how controlling Ollie was. She had to ask his permission to go out. Oh, geez. And oftentimes he told me, no, he wanted to control. She was doing. He had control over what she was wearing. Who she was spending our time with. And a lot of that had to do with the fact that Anna was happy in San Diego

finally. She had her own community there. She was coming out of her shell. And he was gaining her own

following, getting attention and positive reinforcement from strangers, both online and in the real world. It sounds like he was jealous. He was threatened by it. So he starts saying things to exercise that control things like, well, I'm the one that brought you to America. You wouldn't have any of this. Oh, that's the same thing. I'm the one who brought you here. I'm the one who started

“musically, basically treating her like property honestly rather than just this partner that's on this”

venture with him. And Anna and Ollie did a good job of hiding these marital issues for a while. Friends of Anna's new Ollie wasn't a good match for her. But he was her husband. They had a kid together.

They just didn't feel like it was their place to step in because she wasn't being as open about

these things. That is until spring of 2021, just a few months after they moved to San Diego. Because with a couple now closer to Anna's friends, they got a peek into what was really going on behind closed doors and it was not good. One afternoon around that time, Anna and her friend Julia went to the gym and then back to Anna's apartment to pick up a mirror. Julia said Ollie was there and when they showed up, he was incredibly mad at Anna for something. So he pulled her into the

bedroom to talk to her because Julia is there. But then Julia can hear them fighting. She could tell that it was escalating. He began throwing things. He was screaming obscenities and then suddenly Anna came bursting out of the room, grabbed a mirror and rushed Julia out of the apartment. It seems like what? Anna actually stayed at Julia's house that night with her daughter because Julia said Ollie was texting on a nonstop for the next 24 hours demanding that she

bring their daughter home. And that's when the concern really started to set in for Julia, having witnessed it firsthand. She wondered if this was a regular occurrence like this level of fighting, you know, taking the child and leaving. But Anna played it off saying no, we'll talk it out later. It was just a bad fight. Everything's going to be fine. Which is even like more of a red flag because clearly it's not. It soon became clear though to not just Anna's friends,

but to their followers as well that this was becoming the norm between Anna and Ollie because over time, it wasn't just on live streams. Ollie starts recording their fights as well. No way in posting them. Posting them for sympathy. He's like, oh, this is a toxic relation. Look at what I have to put up with like literally. That's the victim. That's wild. You said you're not going out tonight. You lied to me all the time.

Like he's clearly on well because he's posting it, trying to be the victim. But in the videos, he's saying things like, you're my woman, be word. I brought you to this nothing country.

my I add, there are still creators on TikTok today with mass following that like,

“it's exploitative. The things that their famous for. There's people who have tons of following”

because their house is messy or have tons of people. I mean, like it's like not just like, yeah, but this is like theater time. I mean, theater time. This is like domestic violence at this point. Domestic abuse. Oh, 100%. 100%. But it's just so weird how TikTok literally people mass following for negative reasons. I mean, there's, I mean, there's TV shows around like hoarders. That's right. It's the same thing. Yeah, that's true. He starts recording posts in these things.

He would also yell at her for not having sex with him, saying it's been almost a month. She's got to be seeing someone else because how should he how could she go that long without

having sex with him? I mean, this was really personal stuff. He was blasting out to followers.

The reason she's not having sex with you is because you guys are fired in dude. And it's wildly disturbing, but it's also some of the many signs of being in a domestic abusive relationship control gaslighting threats. And in honest case, she does feel like Ali has power and control over her. She doesn't want to lose her visa. Yeah, get that. She doesn't want to get sent back to the Philippines. That could mean losing her daughter too.

It's a intense situation. And in one of these videos, aren't it even calls Ali's mother to try and have her mediate between the two of them? And she's no help at all.

“She says to Anna well, why do you keep getting back with him? What do you want me to do?”

Do you want me to try to put him in jail? Meanwhile, Anna's just trying to get him out of the house for a while and is hoping to find some sympathy and support. What a great mother-in-law, by the way. And I think there was a section of people too, who maybe thought this was performative. Like skits to try to get views, you know? It's like those couples who post cheating things. Like finding out my husband's cheating on me, but it's

every single video in a different way. Yeah. So I'm sure there were people where they were like, oh, this is just clickbait, you know? But over time, these threats begin changing. Around July of 2021, he starts threatening suicide. He tells Anna that he'll take his own life if she leaves him. But Anna also knows this home is no longer safe for her daughter. All he has a gun in the house and apparently even takes it out of its case one day and starts

“pointing it at himself during a fight while a mother-in-law is sleeping on the couch.”

But every time Anna takes her daughter and leaves, all he love bombs her, begs her to come back, tries to win her over textbook, behavior, terrifying. And in this case, it is exacerbated by his obsession with fame and his cocaine addiction, because he's putting these fights on social media and people are supporting him. People begin making nasty comments about Anna feeding into the behavior.

How have I never seen this? It's just a niche corner.

Neesh, millions of fault, niche corner. Yeah. At the end of 2021, 22, that's a lot. I had with seeing one of these and just not realized. This is crazy. Which in Ollie's mind must reassure his thoughts, like, oh, you know, I'm the victim to my audience. But you can see how people like Anna might get trapped in these scenarios and can't see way out. Usually, the abuser has something they're holding over their victims head. In this case,

it's her daughter. Plus, it's possible she didn't feel like anyone could truly help her. And I say this because Anna calls the police to their apartment several times. And Ollie records these interactions, too. You can hear him in one video sweet talking the cops and laying on the charm saying to them that his wife just wants him to leave the house so she can have it to herself and saying, quote, "It's a woman's world, man."

One morning, Anna even called Ollie's cousin Louie, who also lived in San Diego and asked him to come pick her in a mirror up. He brought her over to Julia's house where they saw the whole left side of her face was bruised. After that, Anna began texting him pictures, threatening to post them online, supposed who he really was saying, I'm going to show all the followers what you've done to me. But that's when Ollie snapped. Uh-oh. The last thing he wanted

was to look like the villain, especially to his online following, losing that fame would mean losing everything to Ollie. And he was not going to let that happen. And while things escalated from there, the violence wasn't something new in this relationship. While Ollie and his mother denied this, apparently, Ollie had punched Anna in the face back when they started dating. When Japan went up with Ollie's mom, you know, I don't even care if she's listening to this.

I just messed up. You like supporting domestic abuse and violence is crazy to me. It's just

But around the fall of 2021, Ollie does something that really makes Anna say, okay, Anna for dinner. Mama, how much do you love the big love? Hmm, how much? And so creamy. Hey, we can be a Papa creamy. No, tell her, or from Mama and Papa, just tell her, it's not tell her. You're a star, you're a school fan,

“just a little bit of a rat and then you're a star. No, not at all. How much star is my safe space?”

Hmm, do you want to tell me everything? Yeah, exactly. Because a star is like a star, the one who just understands the scale of the studio, the job or the house. I don't feel like a star, then. A star and a lady. Save. Because after months, maybe even years, a falsely accusing her of cheating on him, a neighbor in their building reaches out to Anna and she says, hey, just so you know,

I slept with your husband. She said the two of them met in the building elevator. She was a neighbor. He invited her over. They were messing around and then she learned he had a wife. This woman also said that he poured out a huge bag of cocaine on their coffee table and they were just doing massive amounts. Okay. While talking horribly about Anna and that's when the other woman

realized, okay, he's basically troubled and I'm gonna let Anna know. So Anna confronts all he about it

and he admits it. He even doubles down. He starts sending her voice notes saying that he slept with girls in Los Angeles and Miami. What is happening? He's been finding attention elsewhere because she doesn't give it to him and she disrespects him. She's been depriving him of sex. I mean, just awful things. And that's when Anna realizes I'm done. She packs up her stuff, takes a mirror, and the two move out of the apartment and let all these stay there alone. Now, on October 6, 2021,

Anna decides to update her following. She posts a video talking about how she's finally out of a seven-year toxic relationship and an abusive marriage. And this hits a nerve with Ollie because, again, he believes TikTok is his domain. And now he's afraid his reputation will be on the line that his followers will even side with her. And what makes him even more pissed is he thinks at this point Anna has her eye on someone else. Someone she's been friends with for a while,

it's maybe becoming a little more than friend. I'm so confused after he slept with multiple women. It's just topic. Yeah. A guy named Rayburn Baron. Now, Rayburn was 29 years old. He was someone

who always put his friends and family before himself. And that very much included Anna, especially when

she was going through the most crying time of her young life. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot out there about Rayburn and he often gets lost in Anna and Ollie's story. But I can't tell you

“one thing. He was a real bright light in the story for Anna. Honestly, like a night in shining”

armor, someone who taught her that she was worthy of real love, someone who seemed to teach her courage, give her new lease on life. There's debate about whether there was anything romantic going on between the two of them. Some of her friends say no, they were just friends. Others say there was more to it. But they were getting very close by that October. And with Rayburn's help, it seems like Anna was finally on the track to leaving Ollie for good. And Ollie knew Rayburn was a factor

in this. He had always been jealous of him when he came around. Maybe he sensed there was

something between the two of them. But he made it clear he did not like Rayburn. And when he heard, they were spending more time together after their separation. That's when things really escalated. Anna was still receiving daily if not hourly threats from Ollie. But she was looking towards the future, trying not to give it too much oxygen. She was happy and living with a weight off her shoulders. Finally, though, some of her friends were definitely worried about what

Ollie was capable of. They knew he was manipulative, conniving, he had a gun. But Anna always reassured them, listen, he's not going to do anything to like critically hurt me. Unfortunately, though, Ollie was already planning his next move. One day in mid October, he told Anna that he would go stay in a hotel so that she and Amira could live at the apartment. Anna's like, oh, okay, this isn't all of branch. But Ollie knew it was an opportunity. They moved her things in

“and his things out. But he got a copy of the new set of electronic key cards she made without”

her knowledge. And on October 21st, he does something will change the course of a lot of people's lives. Okay. That day, Anna's back in the apartment with Amira and takes five-year-old Amira

And not to get like some of his leftover belongings. No, he goes in and trashes the entire apartment.

“He also puts in app on his daughter's iPad basically like a listening app and then he hides the”

iPad under the couch. So around 11am on a returns, Ollie is gone, but it's obvious he was there because

the place is a mess. Probably a distraction for hiding the iPad in the first place. So she calls her

friend Julian says, hey, I need your help. It's going to take me all day to clean this place. There's stuff all over the floor, broken glass. She wants to know if Julia can pick a mirror up at school in a few hours and Julia's like, yeah, I got this. But Anna, you got to get out of there. Anna says she knows and is planning to go straight to the police station after she's done to get a restraining order against Ollie. Now after Anna hangs up with Julia, she calls Rayburn and asks, hey,

“can you come by and help me clean up this mess? So he does. But then what does Ollie hear”

from the listening app on the iPad? Everything. Rayburn's voice inside on his apartment and he

loses his mind. He gets in his car drives back to the apartment complex around 250pm. He parks and then gets in the elevator and what an absolute loser. What a loser. Yeah. He turns his camera on his phone on to start recording. What's about to happen? In this video, which is obviously going to become evidence, you can see him making small talk with someone on the right up to the 35th floor as if nothing is wrong. He then gets off the elevator and while it's just audio at this point

because he's like holding his phone up, you hear him open the apartment door, then you can hear Rayburn's

voice saying, whoa, followed by Borgon shots. Oh, weak rap. Anna is yelling as you can hear Ollie in the

video reload the gun and fire two more times. He then shot her, taking both of their lives. Then he leaves the apartment, paces the hallway, then goes back inside and that's when he screams on his name a few times acting like he just realized what he did. I don't even care what scum of the earth. Just low, low, low and sane and sane. And then what does he do? I don't know. Oh, kills himself. No. How does his mom come with the mom said what do the mom say? He says, hey, I just shot my wife

and her friend and his mom doesn't believe him. So he takes pictures of the crime scene and text them to her as proof. Okay. A short while later Julia is on her way to the school to pick up a mirror, which like let's just not forget that they have a full blown daughter at school. As she's pulling up to the school, she sees Ollie getting into his car with a mirror. This obviously terrifies Julia because she's like, I know the situation here. Like, Anna does not want you picking her up. Like,

there's no mistake here. So she starts following Ollie and calling Anna repeatedly to be like, hey, he just picked her up. Obviously, of course, Anna's not answering. Eventually, Ollie makes

“a turn and Julia loses him. But luckily, the cops were already on his trail. I think goodness.”

Okay. A neighbor had heard the gunshots and called 911 immediately and they knew Ollie. They saw him in the hallway. So they knew it was him who had done it. So police quickly put out an APB for Ollie and his black Jeep Wrangler because they have his name and thank goodness. They catch him quickly on the highway without much incident because Amiris still in the car. Who knows? This isn't, this is horrible. Ollie apparently had even told a little girl when he picked her

up that day that he had hurt Mommy. This was what she tells police. That day, she also watched her father get arrested by the police. Poor girl. Like, just he not only ruined other people's lives. He ruined his own, he ruined his daughter's life. That's right. Ruin is a wrong word. He caused a tremendous amount of trauma and now she doesn't have a mom and she doesn't have a dad. And this is like attached to her. Yeah. So sad. Meanwhile, news is starting to spread to

on his friends that something's wrong because like Julia is now on something. Something's going on and they're pretty sure it's what they've all been dreading. Five hours after being taken into

degree as well as several other charges. And while Ollie is in jail, awaiting trial, he doesn't

“interview. And not only does he show very little remorse for what he did, but he keeps referring”

in this interview to everything as his. Like he accuses Rayburn of kissing his wife in his house on his couch like still. And at the end of the interview, he starts breaking down because he lost his baby. He's not talking about Amira. He's saying that because of all of this, he lost his online platform. Not his daughter, not his wife. No, because of all of this, I've now lost my online platform. My followers, my fame. It's gross, but I want to talk about the trial because the

“biggest factor is whether he should get first or second degree murder was this premeditated or”

spur of the moment. I'm not going to even entertain the defense's argument here because you heard the story. This violence was not a one time deal. And outside of everything he did to make on his life and his daughter's life a living hell, there was additional evidence on his computer and phone searches that he'd made before the murder for trash cans chopped up bodies exploitation of minor. He was unwell. He had been for a long time and the jury knew it. So on May 29th, 2024,

the jury found him guilty of two counts of first-degree murder. Allie or gin kid will spend the

rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole. In 2024, a documentary was released on peacock called TikTok star murders that told on a story through the memory of closest friends. And some of those women said that they had since parted ways after on his death, all grieving separately, but the documentary kind of brought them all back together. A go-fund me was set up for on his family after her death. Her body was sent back to the Philippines so she could be buried in

her hometown. The family welcomes any happy memories, kind words or nice stories and even has to share in on his memory. And if you are someone you know is experiencing domestic violence,

please know there is always a way out. All the national domestic violence hotline at 1-800-799-7233

go to thehotline.org or text begin to 8-8-7-8. And that is the murder of Anna and Rayburn. The domestic violence man is it's just it's so sad because it's scary how it just escalates. It escalates and they're always seen. I cannot always, but I mean in the cases we cover at least it always seems to end in murder because this is the podcast run. But the domestic violence in general is so dangerous because

“so many can't end up like this. Yeah, it's so dangerous. It is not far out. I think sometimes”

it's like murder is so far away and it's like in domestic violence situations it's actually not end domestic violence is so common like you're saying. Yeah. All right you guys that was our episode for this week please just take some time remember Anna her family her daughter again if you were you know her family said they love any kind words or memories. But just take this day to think about them and we will see you next time with another episode. I love it. I hate it. Goodbye.