Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 102: Decompressions

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This is the show where we unpack our old episodes from our 2018 suitcase plus case updates.

Today we're rewinding the episode 102, which we named decompressions.

This episode originally came out on January 4th, 2018. All right, let's get into it. The intro of episode 102. Hi, and welcome to Do You. No way.

What our favorite murder is. We just ran with a new name or a black ass. Do you know what I was saying? No. Do you mean a ride?

We can start a world story. Sorry. No leave it. It's. I was going to say how it feels like it's been a while.

It's been, oh no, sorry, that's quite a vacation. My favorite murder. Jesus Christ. Like I haven't done that one in a while either, I don't like I've been. I only have one podcast now, so if I had gotten it wrong, I would have been that would

have been really hurtful. Yeah. How is it just having your one podcast? I feel so free. And what's your next podcast going to be?

I'm just going to do something with more homework even. I'm just going to do something where all I have all I do is homework. That's a good idea. Just quite pencil pencil on paper sounds. Just constant work working.

Like more of an ASMR, yeah, I don't ever think I'm saying that right. But I have to actually do the work, so I even less time to do anything. Good idea. Should you just go into some like math like long division like where would you leave off and math?

Would you like to get back to and math? I mean, I don't even know the basics. In addition, I can do that. You could do some basic education. Yeah.

I saw a really cool video about how.

“And from what I remember, it said people, I think in Japan do multiplication of long”

numbers. Yeah. And it was like, it looked like they were making a TikTok tow box. Did you see that video? Yeah.

And what drives me crazy about it is that it's that thing of like, people learn in different ways. We don't all have this one way of learning. I'm sorry. I'm mad at the public school system.

Because they haven't adapted to anything modern because I didn't get it. And so then I was stupid instead of like that maybe I just needed to learn in a different way. Right. Like how to either a better teacher be a better approach, right?

Or better, you know, I think nowadays they have a lot more, um, what's the word?

No, and I went to Montessori. I did too. Like, I didn't work for you. I mean, work in what way. I learned how to, I learned how to wash my feet at the washing feet station.

Oh, what? There's a washing feet station. Where are you? The old wet. I just remember like there's like the Chuck's Chuck station.

And though this station that and then there was like a bucket, you could go outside and wash your feet. That is so weird. Now that I'm talking about it, I didn't mean to talk to my sister about this. Were you, this is an Irvine?

Yeah. Did you have goats? No.

“Were there any, was there any reason have a bucket besides children's dirty feet?”

No. Was your teacher a germaphob? Probably. I think she must have had an issue with dirty children's feet. Why were your shoes off?

Don't know. It was school. Again, I'm figuring out right now that this is weird. And I want to text my sister to make sure I have this memory correct. I'm calling Janet, call Janet and ask her.

Right now, I told you how I supposed to go to therapy with my mom. Yeah. Did I tell you that I gave her the wrong day? She showed up two days early. Was she pissed?

No. It was fine. We ended up making up anyways. Well, that's good. Yeah.

I mean, that's what counts. Do you think that subconsciously you may have done that so you didn't have to do it? Definitely. Yeah, yeah. Don't you think?

100%. That's usually where I just stuff like that. And now it's so over to me that I might as well just be like, I'm not going to be there probably. Hey, let's me.

I've done it to you a thousand times.

“But that's not normally, that's not I don't want to be there.”

I have to talk my way out of this. Yeah. But normally, that's just I can't get that fucking calendar on my phone to do the right thing. Right.

I can't ever do it. Yeah. It's a tricky little fucker. It goes backwards in time. I don't know.

It makes me crazy. You had a recommendation, didn't you? Oh, you know what? Steven, Steven pulled this. The email for.

Oh. In reference to VisaV episode 100, hey, y'all includes everyone and they're god damn animals.

First off, love the show.

Been listening since after episode three, went to the live show in Austin, used to play poker with David Temple for two years. This is after he allegedly murdered his wife. Yep. Well, I'm also obsessed with the yogurt shop murders anyway, so that's not even what this

is about. Okay. Karen said an asteroid came three miles from me. Oh, no. You even just soon know more, it just so didn't say anything else.

It's so good to remind us, as you say that I'm like that's impossible. No. Three miles? Here's the thing. Some people get very pissed off about this.

We just fucking say whatever. Just say shit. We just say whatever and then clean up the mess after. Some people are very bothered by that, but man, that's funny. How far up is like the ozone?

I don't know, but it's probably more than three miles. And as you said it on the podcast, then I was like, okay, and then the minute that came out of your mouth, I was like, no, just now, but not, I don't question you until someone else questions you. That's my whole act.

It's just very believable bullshit. Yeah. And who am I to question? I mean, who are you of all people to question me? The cleanest pain.

Okay. I don't even know math.

“How am I to number three miles in your dirty bucket feet?”

Never question me. Okay. You know, okay. No, go ahead. Shoot this day.

I can't go barefoot. No, I have my barefoot issue. Yeah. That's right. Why is fucking village Montessori due to me?

What did they do to your feet? Who was on the bottom of that bucket? Who hurt my feet? Rubbing your feet. Oh, ew!

Ew! Sorry. Back to the asteroid. Okay. Anyway, Karen said a mastery came three miles for me to be Earth, but sorry, Astrox pushes

up in our glasses, but it was a three mile wide asteroid that came six point four million

miles. Let's see. Anything. I think that sounds more right. I'm going to go with her.

What does she have? Does that sound better? I'm on her side. Oh, you're being sexist by assuming it's a female scientist. And being white.

White. White. That's right. Finally, proactive sexism. Quite a bit of a difference, but I get it.

Live your sexy life like a natural threat is about straight up murder assault. This would be great for corrections corner. You're so right about that. All the best and lots of love Brian. That's rad.

Brian. Brian the girl. Brian. No.

He has a bright and he also has a second name in the middle that's also a boy's name.

Okay. So I can confirm Brian is a boy.

I am not sexist, so I thought it was a woman. I thought it was my daughter. That is so goddamn fun. That is great. It felt right.

Yeah. Is he mansplaining asteroids to us, though? Well, it clearly we need it. He's explaining. I'm sorry.

He's much to say explaining. He's plain-splaining. That's plain. That's just a post-toffy's plain and straight-up's plain and that's my new podcast. More people's plain shit to me.

Oh, that's good straight-up. You just introduce it? Yeah. Get the idea going and then just let other people talk about the facts. Hey, explain this to me.

I've never realized how consistently wrong I can be up until this point.

It's a real humbling experience. Like through the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. But I wonder, do you, in your daily life,

“now do you question yourself every moment as your hypothesis and boldly?”

Um, but I don't, I mean, like usually if somebody stands or it goes, no, actually, that's not true. I'll go, oh, okay. Because at this point, I can't really argue at it. It's happened so many times.

Yeah. I'll be like, oh, all right. You know, you don't go. Are you sure? Oh, sometimes they'll do that.

And sometimes I can like, see it in my minds, I can see the headline in my head. It says three miles away. But that's also my ADD from being on Twitter too much and reading articles. I just read four words in the headline of an article. I can't do Twitter anymore.

Because it's just killing it. Is it driving it crazy? It's awful now. It's really, like, just can't do it anymore. It's making me really depressed.

It's very depressing.

My problem is it's where all my friends are many, many of my friends that I talked to

the most are there as tragic as that is to say out loud. So maybe you just can have conversations, but I just like read shit. No, yeah. I don't, I try not to read that much. Okay.

And when I do, I do it inaccurately. Okay. Yeah. Well. I mean, listen up.

It's working for you. Look. I like it. Look at listen. It's working for you.

No. But I will say this for resolutions. I don't know if you're comfortable doing some resolutions right now. Not it.

“Just say this because part of why I think though that was just so funny to me is because”

I haven't really talked to another person in like three days, except for texties. I've just been sitting on my couch watching British people solve crime for like 72 straight hours. And I have to stop doing it. Go bless you.

I have to. I have to. Driving you crazy. Yeah. I have to leave my house.

I have to give the world a try. Like I have to do things. Here's the thing. You've already done that. Yes or no.

True. Fail deal. It's been bad. Me. Fail deal.

Me. You've been sick. Yes or no. Yes. Very sick.

See, you just went like two weeks with family members constantly in friends. That's right. You're having a decompression. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you for walking me out of that darkness. Yeah. But you know what? On too long. Yeah.

And then, um, yeah, and then I'm just in the weirdest and just a two weird of a place. But I would also say that I've been on a six year decompression, but needs to wrap itself up relatively quickly. Can we start on Friday? Okay.

Can we say Friday? Right. Right. Right. But Friday 11.

And then we have that phone call 1130. Right. Perfect. And then you have to.

“And then you have to have a higher or like, have my old, um, life coach come back.”

Yeah. Cause I was fucking up hard. Like that. Yeah. And put one of the things we talked about was just put some makeup on on the

fucking house. But there was one time I called you and you were in a cafe. And in my mind, I was like, wow, she's got it all. It's like a dream come true.

It changes everything when you have, I never thought of it.

Dude. I changed my fucking entire day. Yeah. And then you, oh, my God. Like today.

I've left the house once in the past since New Year's Eve. Since New Year's Day. And it was to eat oysters last night. And I don't think I've been around anyone but Vince. Yeah.

Cause basically the same person is meant to point it. You guys are very similar. So we're like the same, you know. You're a real team. It's like being alone.

It's a little bit. Yeah. I can see that. So we just talk about cats, our cats. And point out things our cats are doing.

It's pretty cool. But you're also very funny. I mean, I've been there, you know. Me? He.

We together. Thank you. You're a real witty. I really enjoy how you guys talk to each other so much. It's really delightful and fun.

Thank you. Yeah. You're fun to travel with. Thank you. So are you?

Yeah. Yeah. That's nice. Goodbye. One more email.

This is just fun times.

I know. I mean, it's done. I know. It's a brand new year, friend. I know.

Let's do it. Let's absolutely do it. I mean, we have no choice. I don't know. What do you?

I really believe in myself. To really fucked up the group. Well, no.

“You've a lot of choices, especially with this new podcast coming out because the direction.”

First of all, just doubling up on podcast is going to be great for you.

Yeah. And then just the directions you're going to take it in. Yeah. It's just, just plain and I'm going to learn and forget so much stuff. It's going to be great.

Information is going to be coming at me. I can't wait for you to not absorb any of it. This is an email from Kaylee. It says, "Hi, girls. My name is Kaylee Carter and I play Sadie Rose in god bless."

Oh, fuck y'all. It was to my shock and delight that I turned on the podcast to hear our show as a source of delight to you. Oh, my God. My podcast is one of my deep obsessions.

Oh, my God. Along with your crime and well, anything murder related. It's so badass and inspiring to hear ladies getting together to create and what you've created is so unfiltered. No, no, no.

What is fucking talking about? The fuck are you talking about? Sorry. Please, Matt. Kaylee, sorry.

What you've created is so unfiltered badass and empathetic.

Just wanted to let, you know, that the ladies of LeBelle lost it on our communal text

about you guys. Oh, my God. A sand Kaylee Carter. Okay, sorry. That was very self-serving.

But, oh, my God. Stephen, that's a good email to pull. Yes.

“Because I've been talking about this for a nonstop.”

Everyone's talking about me. I really loved it so much. Really, really thought it was a beautiful piece of writing and work. So good. Wow.

Thanks, Kaylee. Thanks, Kaylee. So how did that text change for us? Can I? Okay.

So I've been having really bad insomnia lately. Yeah. And can I do a podcast corner? Do a podcast recommendation corner? Yes.

So this trick has been keeping me company. Wow. I can't sleep for like four hours last night. Oh, three to seven. It was great.

In my sleep phones. I highly recommend them. Oh, not an ad. They look like a sweat band. Oh, yeah.

But they're like the lat headphones in them. Oh, my God. So she's a lovely soothing voice. And the topics are really macabre and weird. It's called this strange and unusual podcast.

You listen to it? No. It's by Allison Horax. H-O-R-O-C-K-S. Which sounds like a fucking wreck.

It sounds like a spell. It sounds exactly from Harry Potter. Yeah. The horror crocks. There's 10 episodes.

And they're like, it's all macabre and weird, you know, which he holds gothic timeies. Yes. You know, Catacomies stuff. Yeah.

It's really good. And true or is it stories? It's true stories. True stories. [laughter]

Let me throw those two together. Yep. They want things I didn't realize. Because it's like, it's true. It's almost like the strange, I mean the mysteries are bound.

Yes. But she does all the writing herself and tells you about it. It's really good. Sweet. Corrects everybody.

If you don't listen to mysteries about it, you got to. So the strange unusual podcast. And it's called that because from Beetlejuice when Lydia says, "I am myself of strange and unusual." Oh.

Thank you. Yes. I love it. I like keeping me company. The best.

Yeah. Well then, if I'm to join it, you in this corner. Yeah. I will do my recommendation. The person that's been keeping me company for my whole vacation.

I can't remember.

“I think I've seen like either a TED talk or some clip of him on British TV.”

But I, in driving, knew that I wanted to get like do a deep dive into something. Yeah. And actually maybe learn something. So I looked up audiobooks by John Ronson and he's a British reporter. And he podcast or he does a ton of stuff author.

Yeah. He's written a ton of books. He wrote the manuscript. Goats. He wrote.

So you've been publicly shamed with all about the social media thing. He's done all this stuff. So he has a book one of the ones I listened to is called Lost at sea. And it's just a bunch of different stories and articles that he's written. And they cover everything from people who disappear on cruise ships.

And basically the rash of that happening.

The fuck up. Uh-huh. It too. I don't remember anything. Just being lost.

It's in general. Just being lost. You have to listen to it. And he has, okay, my very favorite thing. And I laughed so hard when I was listening to this.

I was in my room at my sister's house. I was laughing so hard. I was crying and I couldn't breathe. And I was sick, so I felt I thought I was going to die. He interviewed the insane clown posse.

After the magnets, how did they work? So long, miracles came out. And it is one of the funniest because he's a very straightforward, very plain spoken and very direct interviewer.

Like, because they've been called the worst band in history.

“And it's like really terrible things to stuff.”

So he kind of went and talked to them. And it's the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Oh my god, I'm listening. And he's just very, like, he's so endearing and he's really, I don't know. He's just super brilliant.

And a really hilarious, amazing writer.

So anyway, John Ronson, tons of audiobooks. And he also has a podcast called The Butterfly Effect that's about, like, working in the porn industry. Right, right. Which I started listening to it. It's a little bit, um, I'm worried.

I'm worried about having to hear people that don't do well. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas I, like, if it's a story in someone's in the third person talking about it, it's a different thing. I just kind of like, my 911 calls.

Yeah. I get that. Well, really quickly, one that I, I'm not listening to, but I have listened to it in its hilarious. And I just want to give it a shot out because it's fucking incredible. Is the true crime podcast done disappeared?

Oh, I haven't heard it. No. It's a parody trooper. [laughter] It's called done disappeared.

Yes. It's about missing girl named Clara Pockett. Uh-oh. It's hosted by John David Booter. And it's basically a parody of up in Banish.

Wait, John David Booter is not a real person at all. No. It's like, it's so, it's like this beautifully narrative podcast, like, someone knows something, let's say. Right. And it's done really well.

And you hear the crunching of the gravel. And then he talks about these things that are released here, but it's all bullshit. And it's all fake.

And it's like kind of corny and just amazing.

So silly. It's so silly. And I, it made me really happy. Oh, that's great. Yeah.

That's awesome. Done disappear. I mean, that's so funny. It's like, it is so popular these days. But like, you can, it's like the American vandal.

Yeah.

“You know, it's been nominated for, I think, a writer's guild of war?”

Yeah. Um, that's so cool. Yeah. It's just like that. Yeah.

It's like, this is a really well done documentary. It's just about an absurd thing. That's not real. It's the same thing. Yeah.

It's awesome. I love it. I love it too. All right.

I mean, I wonder who goes first.

I mean, whatever happened was in the past. It's 2018 and it's episode 102, which sucks. It's not 101 because we put up a live episode. Oh, live. That's right.

But I know, but like, but that was 2017, too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So we could do whatever we want.

We can do whatever we want. And the last one, technically, that we recorded here, we did together. Right. So it's a real clean slate. Clean slate.

Blank. Everything is everything. From here, do we turn it in? What if we make Steven pick one of us to go first? Oh, no.

Pressure's on. No, wait, what if we, um, what if we make Steven? No, I don't know. Let's pick up our staff shares. And we're going to go on the staff share.

Yeah. Can throw the clown doll in heads or tails? Whoever slaps it away hard enough. Okay, Steven, who goes first? Um, uh, he's closing.

I don't know why that matter. Say a number. Uh, 10. Okay. What day is your birthday?

A, what's yours? 11. Does that mean? Um, my. It's closer.

So do you want to go first? You don't mean to go first. Uh, uh, it's the perfect system. Okay. How about?

Uh. Well, I was going to say, since you got it, then you get to pick who goes first. Okay. I'm really sad. We're going to get out of here.

Everybody wants this part of the job. That's why we gave it to you. Okay. Well, mine is long and gruesome. What's yours?

It's, I don't think it's that long. Okay. I can go first. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. Good job, Steven. Steven, you've done it again. And we are back. Did it surprise you to learn that we actually came into contact with someone from Godless?

Yeah. And you know what? I recently watched the movie that she's in called Private Life with our other friend, and the biz, another than Paul G. Mottie. Oh, cool.

Private Life? Yeah. And she's really good at that, really darling. It's so funny to like listen back to hear us talking about the podcast we're listening to because I feel like it's such a marker of time, especially limited series.

When you go back and listen to like a certain thing, you're like, oh my God, I remember being so into that or like living in that world for whatever three weeks.

“Or that's what my like falling asleep routine was.”

And the strange unusual podcast is still going strong. And they've got really like some great episodes recently about like 10 things in the Apple action woods that shouldn't be there. Like, what a great thing to fall asleep to. So good.

But I have definitely had to turn them off because they've been too scary to fall asleep

Yeah. Those ones are serious. Also John Ronson.

“He made podcast series called Things Fall Apart in 2021.”

And it's about the modern culture war. I bet it's a fascinating listen now in 26. Oh, my God. For sure. Is it 2026 already?

It is. Yeah. It's June. That's ridiculous. You're lying.

I don't believe you.

I would never lie on a podcast.

Only privately. The faux true crime podcast name done disappeared. Still cracks me the fuck up. Done disappears. All these years later.

And it's so fun because it's like it was so new that like it was okay. Like we were making fun of it. It's too big. Everyone's got one. But it's like, oh, just you wait.

It's going to get even another. It's just like done this little trend. 2018. Yeah. Our stories are a couple heavy hitters.

I didn't realize that we did these in the same episode. It's very intense. Yeah. It's very intense.

I didn't do that because I still think about yours all the time.

So we're still going Georgia and I self. I think self researching and self producing. So there's no like no wiser global look at anything. No structure size. Yeah.

But I don't know. I think people like that.

“I just think that's why we send it on good things.”

Which don't do that anymore. Right. Well, and also I think there's not that many of these insane serial killer style. Horrible. Like these are some of the worst of the worst.

Yeah. The piece of Jersey is I think the most one of the most disturbing serial killer stories. There is because a mask wearing a mask. Right. And a choker necklace of spikes and wristlets of spikes.

Yeah. So no matter where you grab them to get them away from you, you hurt yourself. It's just insane. Also lived a totally normal public life. That's what's like.

That could. It's a tiny village on the island and they couldn't figure out who it was. Because it's got to be someone you know. If it's you know everyone on the silent. Oh my god.

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And I had never heard this story before.

This is more of a story. More of a case. More of a personality. Because there's I don't think there's an actual murder that they know of. This is the Beast of Jersey.

Have you ever heard of the Beast of Jersey? No. Can't get fucking ready. I'm fucking ready. Okay.

And willing. Great. I. Excuse me. Both of your feet are in the butt.

I'm gonna fuck it. I'm gonna fuck it. I got myself ready. And I like to just kick off an episode with you having recovered memories. And we just blaze right through it.

We just keep on chatting. I mean, I'm clearly doing okay with. With. You're just doing it. I'm just doing it.

Okay.

So the Beast of Jersey's name is Edward Paynell.

Or Paynell. I'm not sure. Um, and this story, I stumbled upon it on a, as we know, we love the website Ranker. And Ranker is in there with all those serial killers in the serial killer. 15 most interesting things about this and that and whatever.

And so at the, at the bottom of one of those lists, they have additional list. I know. Words like this. It's like, thank you for my insomnia. Yeah.

It's amazing. Yeah. And it's all the 15 horrible things about the toy box killer. It's a very terrible thing. You could ever look at it.

Love it. So on there, I found the Beast of Jersey, which I'm like, I assume. New Jersey. And when you look it up on YouTube, there is a guy who starts. His video start coming up as the Beast of Jersey.

But he is a weight lifter in New Jersey. Oh, no. That's just like. Swole and Yoke.

And all the other things you'd say.

“And what's the story of yourself the Beast of Jersey?”

Well, I mean, I think it's like, you know, that's the language of like, he's in Beast mode working out. I didn't do it though. He's. I didn't do it.

This one's from the 60s and 70s. So he's like, I'm the new. Right. Okay. That's long enough ago.

He didn't give a shit. Yeah. He looks great in a tank top. He's doing good work. Good for him.

I respect it. Good for him. 28 teenagers here. That's right. Can feel it.

So guys, please go to Beast of Jersey YouTube channel and just support him. Give him a thumbs up. Because he can lift so much weight. Okay. I got the timeline of these crimes.

The details all of it from a blog that's called True Crime Enthusiast. I've used her once before from one of my, I can't remember which one, but it was a case when we were on a live show. And she, that True Crime Enthusiast is also a podcast, but I found this on her blog. And it was the most information of any.

I couldn't find any other websites besides our dear old Wikipedia. Everything on YouTube is like one of those three minute videos that someone that seems like someone in high school, made that like I then started watching one and then went off into some other thing where this woman who was narrating was like Canadian and yelling about how the government isn't going to admit to anything.

And then it went crazy. I had to quite the afternoon. Listen, let's get back. Let's focus. Look.

Jersey is one of the channel islands off the northwest coast of France. Got it. I thought it was an England. Well, it's not new. It's not a new jersey.

No. That's what I was hoping for. It's original jersey. Okay. So it's right by Normandy off the coast.

Out there. It's also by Gernsey Island. They have the best cows between Jersey and Gernsey. Amazing gorgeous cows. Great Steven.

Steven's crying. He loves this so much. Am I right though? I don't know anything about cows. Yes, you do.

“I think the Gernsey's are red and the Jersey's are black and white.”

Are you think serious right now? Yes. 'Cause you grew up in a town with blood cows. Yes. That's why you know that.

I didn't know if you were just making a fax about a town? No, no. Jersey and Gernsey cows are like really high and listen, explain something to me.

That's it. About cows.

“Just if you want to high quality cow, you're going to need a small island off the coast”

to free it. I'll take it.

That's where they're all from.

Okay. On Google Maps, Jersey has a 4.9 star review. Out of 43. Why are you feeling fucking islands? This is me trying to scrape together information about Jersey in a way that can inform me.

I was like, is it rich people? It seems like it's like it's a very well-to-do people. They have a lot of great agriculture. Obviously award-winning cows. Really small.

And although it is not a part of the United Kingdom, English is the language that's the main language spoken there. They use the pound. They drive on the left. They love soccer. The national anthem is God save the quaint.

But they are an independent parliamentary democracy. So don't fucking say that they're British because they're not. And in 2014, there were 100,000 people living there.

So that's not a big place.

Okay.

“But in November of 1957, a reign of terror began on this island.”

That is so fucking crazy. And it went on for 10 years. And so it starts like this. A 29-year-old nurse is waiting for a bus. Now, when all this gets explained,

it's all they break it up by Counties and Parishes and stuff. But since it's all meaningless, I just figured we'll just do it. It's all happening on an island. But that's like 49 miles wide. Great.

It's a setting. Yes. Just picture. Do you ever watch Father Brown? It's a wonderful British.

No.

Pre-spaced crime, procedural.

No, but I have an island in my mind. It's like, I'm there. It's not tropical. No, no, no, no. Great.

It's like it.

“It's like a damp, do we pastoral island?”

Yes. That's it. Rocky Cliffs. Yes. All this.

Yes. Fog. And tons of bus stops. Right. So rural bus stops.

Rural bus stops. Okay. Okay. So this woman's waiting. She's a 29-year-old nurse waiting for the bus.

She's approached by a man who's affecting an Irish accent. Mm-hmm. And he's wearing something on his face. She can't see his face. And before she knows what's happening,

that's her on the head. He puts a rope around her neck. And he drags her into a nearby field and rapes her. No. And even though she has a bunch of stitches and she's severely injured, she survives.

A year later in March, the exact same attack happens, a year later. Um, this time, the woman's 20, she's walking home from the bus stop. And again, a man approaches her, a rope is put around her neck. She's dragged into a nearby field and raped. Four months later in July, exact same crime.

Again. This time it's a 31-year-old woman. She's walking home from the bus stop. Again, rope around her neck, dragged into a field, exact same thing. And then again, in August of 1959, um, but this time it's a young girl.

And then again, in November, to a 28-year-old woman. So it's the exact same crime happening. Yeah. Like, relatively four months apart. So all of the victims tell the police the same thing.

He put on this Irish accent. He was wearing a mask as some kinder. His face was covered in some way. He's about five foot six and he smells musty. Hmm.

Um, so after this series of attacks, he comes to be referred to as the Beast of Jersey. But then in 1960, his MO changes. And he starts attacking people inside indoors in their homes. So it's Valentine's Day in 1960. A 12-year-old boy wakes up to see a man standing at the end of his bed.

He's climbed through the boy's window. He's wearing an old rubber mask and a woman's wig. Oh god. And he's holding a flashlight in the boy's face. He places a rope around the boy's neck leads him outside into a field where he's raped.

So a month later, a woman walking up to the bus stop and he needs a man who drives by claims that he's a doctor that he's on his way to pick up his wife. And he offers her a lift. And then she gets in the car and she's like, "Oh, it's just this old guy." And it doesn't think anything about it until she turns to see that he is wearing an overcoat and hat and gloves.

And now she's starting to put that together of how weird that is. And she also can't see his face. It's like she can't make out his face because he's dark. By the time she realizes what's going on, he's driven to a secluded spot. He ties her hand behind her head, beats her inside the car. Then he drags her out of the car into a field rapes her.

Then he puts her back into the car and he starts to drive again. She jumps out of the moving car and starts screaming for help.

Okay, so the same month this one's super creepy.

“So it's a mother and daughter in a remote cottage.”

Uh-huh. The daughter's 14. So it's 12.30 at night. The mother is a woken by the phone ringing downstairs. So she gets up and she goes down to answer it.

When she goes, she picks up the phone. There's no one there. She hears a click and then the phone, she hears the dial tone. So she goes back upstairs and she goes to bed. An hour later, she hears a noise downstairs. So she goes and she goes out into the landing over the top of the stairs.

She flicks on the lights. It's how the picture in my head. Uh-huh. At some point, she turns the lights on. She walks downstairs. And when she gets downstairs, the lights cut out.

Eee! Then she realizes someone is in the living room. So she grabs the phone to call the police. The phone lines been cut. No.

Yeah. So suddenly a man grabs her. The man's money and threatens to kill her. And as she's struggling with this man, her 14-year-old daughter comes out onto the landing. No.

And the man immediately releases the mother and runs to where the daughter is. And so the woman runs out of the house to go get help at the neighbors. Get the neighbors, runs back. And they find the daughter is alive, but she's been raped in this with the same MO as all the other victims. April of the same year, a 14-year-old wakes up to find a man in a mask watching her sleep.

What the fuck? She starts screaming and then he takes the mask off. No. Uh-huh. In July, an eight-year-old boy is abducted from his home.

He's raped in a field and then he's led back, but the rope around just neck to his front door step. Then they attack stop for the rest of the year. So of course, this is a tiny island. And people are fucking shedding a brick. Because it's also definitely someone who lives there.

Yes. So could be anyone. Exactly right. They are interviewing every, they immediately interview every single man who has ever committed a crime at all. Like the police are just, they have no idea what to do, so they're doing anything they can't can.

So everything stops, so that's July, everything stops for the rest of the year. Then in February of 1961, it starts again. And this time, the MO changes again, now it's all young children. So by April of 1961, three children have been attacked and raped.

So finally, the police call in Scotland Yard.

So Scotland Yard puts together this profile of the MO and the attack. Oh my god, love it. And they basically totally island.

“You guys have to start self-policing and keeping your eyes open because you have to help us catch them.”

Right? As much as we can't be everywhere and we all have to do something about this. So keep your eyes peeled. So he's 40 to 45 years old. He's five, six, or somewhere around that height.

He's a medium-built. He has a mustache. His face is usually covered by a masqueror scarf during the attacks. He enters through a bedroom window on a moonlit night, sometime between 10 p.m. And 3 a.m. carries a flashlight.

He knows the island well, especially the eastern part. Anywhere's a thigh-length jacket that smells musty and glows. So, but he's still not found. And there's no attacks for two years. So that's another part of it is there.

It's like a swell of these horrible arms and then it just stops. And I think there's probably part of that human reaction is it's done. We're done. Yeah. And like, don't look around and don't keep looking into this like it's over.

Then in April of 1963, a nine-year-old boy is attacked with the exact same MO. And then in November of the year and 11-year-old boy is attacked. Same. And then in July of 1964, a 10-year-old girl. And then in August of 16-year-old boy.

Then nothing for two years. So even that, that overall pattern starts down here. And then in 1966, the Jersey police received this letter.

“My dear sir, I think that it is just the time to tell you that you're wasting your time.”

As every time I have done what I always intended to do and remember, it will not stop at this.

But I will be fair to you and give you a chance. I've never had much out of this life. But I intend to get everything I can now. I've always wanted to do the perfect crime. I have done this.

But this time let the moonshine vary bright in September because this time it must be perfect.

I'm not a maniac by a long shot but I like to play with you people.

“You will hear from me before September and I will give you all the clues just to see if you can catch me.”

Yours very sincerely. Wait and see. Oh my god. So in August 1966, there's a savage tack on a 15-year-old girl. But this time there's a new detail.

There are long parallel scratches down the torso of the victim. And then that's the final attack for four years. Wow. Then in August of 1970, a 13-year-old boy wakes up to a flashlight shining in his eyes. He's taken out of the house with a rope around the neck.

He's led to the field, he's raped, attacked, led back to the house. This time the beast tells the boy, "Stay quiet because if you don't quote something will happen to your mother and father." So the parents find the boy disheveled and he tries to say nothing's wrong.

And finally he breaks and tells the parents everything.

And when he's taken to the hospital or inspected by police, I'm not sure which one. But they basically on the boy they find the same long parallel scratches that they found on the girl from 1966. And the boy tells police that the man had black spiky hair and a terrifying mask on. A year later, this is July 10, 1971.

“Two policemen are sitting in a traffic light at a red light.”

It's 1145 at night. And a car speeds past them, runs the red light and is driving erratically. And so of course they throw on their lights or however they do it in Jersey. And they get into a high speed chase with this car. And it's total Jason Boren's style where on this blog she was saying the guy drove up on the sidewalk.

He was like doing everything he could to get away from these cars. On this tiny, fucking island. Yeah, that's so crazy. Driving everywhere.

And basically, finally he drives through a hedge and into the middle of a tomato field.

And like comes crashing, do stop, gets out, starts running through the tomato field. The cops get out, chase them on foot. They tackle them. They arrest them. They bring them to the police station.

And finally, when they get into the light of the police station, they see that he, first of all, they notice in the car with him how must he his coat smells. And it strikes them immediately. That it's like just this weird gross smell, which is what every single one of his victims mentioned. That's crazy that it was that fucking bad.

Yeah. That gross immediately. So then when they get into the light of the police station, they see that there are one inch nails, hooking up out of the shoulders of his coat and out of the, the lapels of his coat, and around the cuffs of his coat.

So he is sewn in one inch nails to stick out like punk rock stars. Oh my god. And then they see that he has cloth wristbands that he has made tied around his wrists that also have one inch nails sticking out. So then they see that his pants are tucked into his socks. He's wearing slippers and wool gloves.

And then they check his pockets. So in, in there, he's got a flashlight with black tape over the light part with just a little slit. So only a tiny bit of light will come out of that flashlight. So no one will notice it. Yeah.

So he can basically control and direct the light when he's breaking into houses.

Right.

“Then they find two lengths of what they call sash cord, which I think means like curtain cord on him.”

He's got empty cigarette packs, rolls of duct tape, and a black wig with stiff spiky hair. And that's when they find the mask. Are you ready to see the mask? Uh-uh. There's your mask.

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna leave. Look at that. Oh my god. Let me see that.

It is so fucked up. Okay. So what that mask is is. It looks like it looks like Edward's visitor hands if he were in a fire. It's like Edward's visitor hands and Michael Myers had a baby.

Totally. And that baby was a fucking rapist. Was a horrifying monster. The scariest? Okay.

The mask is the reason I read the article about him. Because it's the scariest thing I've ever seen that's actually real. Because I was like, oh, look this up and this is going to be fake. Because that's so horrifying. You wake up and that's standing at the end of your bed.

No. No. No. No. No.

That mask is in his coat pocket. And the wig isn't.

“So the wig he wore the wig in their separate.”

So the wig was in one pocket. And that wig is hard. Yeah. Like it's all stiff and hard. It looks like gross, like gross dreadlocks.

Yeah. And it almost looks like um, like Medusa. Yeah. Like it looks like snake snake hair. What does that mask made out of?

Because it looks like it's made out of real human skin. It is, I think it's an old rubber mask. Oh my god. So he was just, it was like pre Halloween. This is the scariest mask of all time.

Um, okay. So he, sorry. I got so excited to show you that picture. I left the page halfway through. Actually I'm going to turn this upside down.

Yeah. So all they don't want to stare at it. It's not cool. Oh my god. That's terrifying.

Um, this poor people. I know. So it turns out that this man, the beast of Jersey, is Edward Paynell.

“He's a 46 year old contractor from a wealthy family.”

What? He has a wife named Joan. He has a daughter and two-step children. What? Um, he is well respected throughout the island.

Um, and, and he's very, um, kind of prominent. This is, there's a, this is a, there's a real, um, not type of any John Wayne Gacy parallel.

Um, because he, he and his wife first met when he worked as a handyman.

Um, and, um, the foster home that her mother ran, called Le Preferrals. Uh-huh. And he would often visit to hand out candy. Uh-huh. And during the holidays, dress up like Father Christman.

No, no, no, no, no. No. The children knew him as Uncle Ted. Yes. Of course they did.

Yeah. They, of course, the police investigate. They find out that Joan and Ted's marriage is not a happy one. And that, in fact, they're basically men and wife. In name only, that he is built himself, um, basically an annex off of the house.

So he has an office and like living quarters and this whole thing that's separate from the house. So he can come and go as he pleases. And his wife says, you know, he keeps odd hours because he's a big fisherman. And he likes to go on long walks at night. So he's, you know, he gets, he's up and out of the house at all hours.

And it's always been for years.

Yeah. So I wonder if she suspected him ever, and just like didn't ever want to say anything. Or didn't couldn't accept it. I mean, you would think with the marriage being, so on. Yeah.

Yeah. That he moves, you know, he built himself in part of the house. Yeah. That something bad was happening. But there's a video of Joan that I saw.

Yeah. Because there's an actual like, old, you know, what looks like BBC footage or whatever. And someone's interviewing her. And she just looks like, no, the man I know would never hurt a child. And she seems like she means what she says.

Of course. But then who knows? Because there were lots of abuse allegation at this foster home.

And at other, so there's another part of this that basically all these abuse allegations

“at different foster homes on the island of Jersey against him, specifically?”

No, against these people. It's super crazy. That's part of the black hole I fell into, which is watching these videos from other victims of who lived at these other, like, I think they call them home care. Yeah.

They're, one as a, this one is obviously a foster home, a big foster, like an orphanage, essentially. Yeah. But another one, the worst one, or, you know, from what the stories I saw was, of course, it was a Catholic, you know, send your babies here. If you're having them out of wet lock and we'll raise them for you.

Because you're not allowed to have children. Meanwhile, they beat the living shit out of them and rape and molest them. And all this horrible stuff is happening there. And they have the real people who lived there talking about being woken up in the middle of the night by the people that work there and led down into these sellers.

And actually, it was so bad that the police started investigating. And they found shackles. They dug up these sellers and found shackles along one wall. And they found all these bones, children's bones. They're like, it's crazy.

It's horrible. And ended up leading to an investigation called Operation Rectangle. And it recorded a total of 553 alleged offenses with 1501 named offenders and 1902 victims. On this island, where in 2014, 100,000 people exist. So insanity, like, something super fucked up was happening.

So that's so dark in that, like, that, like, top of the, like, kind of thing.

Yes. And apparently that kind of, like, privacy and all that. It's a real big deal there, of course. And part of the reason people live there. But then that breeds this kind of, like, nobody talking about anything and nobody know about it.

You can kind of hide and play inside. That was like a fucking creep. It's kind of represented in the marginalized that gets sent to, you know, some horrible home somewhere. Yeah. You know, then it suddenly becomes, so anyway.

Basically, they go to his house with, you know, to look into his house.

And they find, they, oh, she, the quote that she said was he's the most loving, caring man who would never heard a child.

Oh, no, Joan. Okay. So when the police questioned him about why he was driving so crazy, he told them that he was on his way to an orgy.

“And that's why he was dressed so oddly, because he didn't want anyone to recognize him on the way to the orgy.”

Because, of course, everyone would know where he was going. Right. In his car. Right. He then he explained away the nails sticking out of his clothing that he wanted to be prepared in case anyone attacked him with martial arts.

That's why he told people, I did that, too. Uh-huh. It's always going to be ready with a series of nails. Nail, nail jewelry. Yeah.

Um, so when they search the house, they find a locked secret room inside his room. Oh, my God. He's already got his own annex. Oh, my God. Then he's got a locked secret room.

Tell me what's in it. Well, guess what it smells like, musk. Yes. He loves musk. For breeze that shit.

I mean, it's like one of the fucking clues. I mean, apparently, this whole room smelled like the jacket. Oh, my God. And inside the room, they find an old blue track suit. They have an old raincoat.

“Homemade wigs, which for some reason I find bone-jilling.”

Yeah. And false eyebrows, which is also very feisty. Yeah. Um, so he was clearly playing with his appearance constantly. Yeah.

So even if even if they said, oh, I was also at that bus stop. And I saw that. Right.

But they whatever description they would give would never be accurate.

Yeah. Which was his plan. And what they start to realize is he had these plans set in place for years. Yeah. Because they found a camera hanging on a hook.

And then they found photos of houses from around the island. And eventually they got out of him that he would choose his victims. Sometimes years in advance. What? He would take a picture of the house.

He would memorize the map of the house. He knew exactly whose room was whose. And what window to go into. So he would never, he never accidentally went into some wrong window. And it was in the parents room.

Yeah. He always knew which room the children were. Oh my god. And he knew exactly when to go. And when they were by themselves.

Or when everybody was asleep. Like he planned it meticulously for hearing me. Like no other story we've done this scared me. It's this fucking scariest thing of all. He is little legit buggy man.

Yeah. Like crazy. And then basically the nails for real were if somebody caught him. Right. Try to grab his hand.

Try to grab his shoulder. He would get away. Oh my god.

Like he had all these things planned to make sure he never got caught.

And that's why he. It happened first along. What a psycho. Then they also found. What they what they called in.

And the blog I was reading she refers to it as black magic. And things related to black magic. But in another article I read they were like a full on altered to Satan in his barn behind a red velvet curtain which none. That was not mentioned in any way in his blog which I kind of.

I trust her she's so thoroughly researched. Um yeah, that's a little David lynching.

“It's a little where do you get a red curtain and how come no one noticed a red curtain in a barn?”

Yeah. I mean it's always possible and it would be very striking. Um and effective for black magic. You see. You're like I'm in the middle of a cube of a field filled with gorgeous cows.

I turn around. Here's this curtain out of nowhere. Okay, it's anyway. Um all kinds of satanic shit though in this room. Um so basically that I mean that's it.

He goes to trial and on November 29th, 1971. It took 38 minutes to declare him guilty of all charges. He sentenced to 30 years in prison. That's it. And he gets out in 20.

What? He was a model prisoner. He's paroleed in 1991. Stop it. Stop it.

Stop it. He goes to prison in 1971. It gets out in 1991. What? But he tries to move back to Jersey.

Oh hell no. And the people are like yeah no way.

And he dies there of a heart attack in 1994.

“So I think the aisle of white is from what I know.”

I think one of my favorite bands is from the aisle of white. And I think it's real sparse. We do look that up really quick. Stephen think he's already doing it. But uh my 20 years?

20 years. Because it's all right. And this was the 70s when they were like. Uh yeah, I wish that was not like that anymore. I know.

Well it's getting better though. I'm sure it's not like a serial rapist would not. Would not get out of jail in 20 years. They don't do that anymore. I mean.

I know every case. I'm trying to believe you. I'm trying to believe you. Okay good. Great great great great great great great great.

Thanks for telling me here. Let's see. Okay. Was I right about the aisle of white? Yes the bees.

I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. You see me just you just looked up the musicians wait.

But do we know anything about the hair here? Let me just actually say. Notable bands from. Oh whatever. I love it.

It's the second.

It's the largest and second most popular style I went in England.

So I was totally wrong. We'll do it show there. Oh my god. Let's go to the aisle of white. Okay.

They have a really good music festival there.

“I believe that again that could be bullshit.”

I believe you know. I believe me. So anyway then. Oh this is the final thing in that operation rectangle. The police and had to actually announce that there was no firm evidence linking Penel to any

of the abuse that took place at that Catholic nun home. It was called the La Guerreraan. I did not pronounce that right. We're really terrible things happened. And so they had to say there's no you know, Beast of Jersey is not connected to this.

Although he was a known to be a regular visitor there. Oh, what a coincidence. So basically they're just saying there's no firm evidence. But he also came here all the time. Yeah.

And horrible things happen. I mean like the children here. To hang out at this place. Yeah. So horrible horrible.

And freakishly like how did I never hear of any of that before?

Yeah. Well I have a similar one. Oh horrible horrible freakish. How did I never hear about this before? Shit.

Okay. We're back Karen. Do you have any updates? There are no updates except for that in 2017. There was a psychological thriller film called Beast starring friend of the show, Jesse Buckley.

Thank you. And Johnny Flynn. Oh, I bet that's good. I bet it's really good, right? And now we get into, let's just roll right into more brutality.

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Okay, another list list of horrible things that have happened. Yes.

This one I've heard the name that I've never heard of.

I've never known what happened. Surprisingly, this is the map butcher of Kingsbury run aka the Cleveland torso killer. Oh shit. God damn it. Were you going to do it for Cleveland?

Yes. But I knew it's such a good one that has we neither have done for so long. That it's just been dangling out there. Yeah. Well done you.

Thank you. I swooped in. I apologize. Got to do it. But here I go.

Here you go. Let me do it. Give a justice. Okay. And everything.

So 1930's Cleveland. It's the six largest city in America.

“But it's the most dangerous because they have a hybrid of traffic accidents.”

Which sucks. Yeah. And rampant organized crime along with antiquated police force. One of the high crime areas was on the south side of the city known as Kingsbury run. It's a riverbed like ravine located near the suburb of Shaker Heights.

And it's where the train tracks run along. So a lot of transients riding the rails in the 1930s would camp out there. And in the depression era of 1930s it was the stark dreary dangerous place. And there was a lot of, there was a lot of, let's see. It was like a hobo camp at that point.

Yes. Yeah. So hobo is okay to say. I know. Yes.

But many people told us it stands for home boy. Which means like I'm on my way home boy. Right. Like I'm on the train. Yeah.

Okay. So it's a makeshift. They call it a hobo jungle. And it's just that it's just this crazy transient encampments with box made boxes. And you know it's thrown together houses and the sort of thing.

And it's right next to a place known as the roaring third. Which is kind of like this neighborhood that's home to bars and brothels, flow houses, gambling places. It's like the fucking down and dirty area. Mm-hmm. All grimy.

And this is the setting where the most notorious murder cases in Cleveland's history start to happen. Wow. In September, 1935, two teenage boys. And this is a lot of people stumbling along a lot of body parts in this show. Yep.

So in September 1935, two teenage boys playing at the base of Jackass Hill in King's very run. Yes. Yep.

“How could you not go to Jackass Hill every day if you were like 12?”

Yeah. I'm going. Yeah. Where else will we play? Please.

Okay. All right. So they discover the decapitated. E-masculated. They call it body of a white male.

Oh, shit. Can you fucking imagine? Like, is it worse to come upon a body or fucking headless body? Headless body. Yeah, you're right.

Well, that's been emasculated. Yeah. That's horrifying. Yeah. So their lives are ruined.

Because here's the thing.

Can I just say? Yeah. If you come upon a body, you don't know what happened. And a number of things could have happened. Right.

You come upon a headless emasculated body.

Someone like headless and emasculated.

Someone did it intentionally. She says Christ. Unless it's the worst car accident of all time, which it isn't. Okay. The body is naked except for a pair of socks.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Cleaned and drained of blood. And the cause of death is the decapitation.

Yeah. Which is horrifying. But sorry.

“Cleaned and drained of blood like black deliastial?”

Mm-hmm. Oh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So the areas being searched by the police, they get there.

They're like probably talking those kids down from the fluck out. Oh my God. And around 30 feet away, another male corpse is found. This body, in the same position and the head and genitals, also had been removed. The body appeared to be a 40-year-old male.

Covered with a chemical preservative and appeared to have been dead for at least a couple of weeks before being dumped. After becoming too decayed, almost as if someone had tried to preserve the body, wherever he was. It wasn't working, got rid of the body. Super creepy that we can hear a train right now. Fucking writing those rails.

This is scared me. I know. Right? We can hear that's even. The mad butchered King's very run is on that train right now.

For only now. Wow, there hasn't been a train gone by here. No, but 25 years. Okay. Close to the bodies, though.

They find both heads. As well as both sets of janitals. They discarded them as though they had just been thrown away. No blood is found in the ground or on the bodies. And so they've been cleaned somewhere else.

Yeah. The younger man, the first body that was found, had been dead for about three days. And his fingerprints were able to lead him to who he was. He was, he was Edward Andresy, he's a 28 year old guy who minor police record for carrying a concealed weapon. He near King's very run.

He was kind of rough and humble dude. He had a reputation for being a drunk and frequently getting into fights. And when I did the autopsy, based on the cuts, the operation was done very skillfully. And the investigators suspected that the killer might be a butcher, a surgeon, or at least someone familiar with killing animals.

Like it's always the case.

“I think if you don't know what you're doing, you don't try to start doing that.”

You kind of get like a, you get like a fetish for it. Yeah. Do you do it to like animals, maybe? Maybe if you're a certain certain sort of psychopath. Oh, sorry.

That was the John Ronson book that I started with. Audio book was the psychopath test. Oh, it's a whole reason that I started. And it's such a good book. Sorry.

Oh, you're good. But but it basically there's no difference. The relatively no difference between a psychopath and a sociopath. It's all he goes into all of that. But anyway, it's relevant.

It's very relevant. But like that you couldn't just a normal person if you were going to kill somebody, even if you planned it out. Yeah. If you were, you would have to be devoid of feeling to do all that stuff.

Yeah. Because you, yeah, you'd have to be a certain mental type to be able to clean a body, drain it of blood, cut it cut pieces of it off. Yeah. Like the thought of, so like I'm a pretty normal person and the thought of having to,

you just, you just nodded your head and the most sarcastic way. Was that involuntary? It was silent. Was that involuntary? It was conversational.

I appreciate it though, because I don't want to be normal. I mean, in that I'm not a psychopath. So the thought of trying to go from here to killing someone is such a huge leap that the people who are okay doing it must be, must be fucking closer to that already. A hundred percent, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I don't think it's a, I don't think it's like a line in the sand.

“I think it is a total is the light on or off.”

Right. I think more, like when you're watching a movie and people like, "Oh, was that fucking, um, oh, that movie, the you and my Gregor movie he would let made him a star? Oh, um, where they killed their roommate. Kids.

Oh, no, no, no. Um, it was the one where they, it was the three roommates. They decided to kill the fourth roommate. Or maybe they don't kill him but he's dead and they cut up his body.

And that it basically, having to watch people who aren't,

yeah, like that, have to do something that horrible is like, I hate any movie like that. Yeah. I mean, it's a good movie, but it's so stressful. Okay.

Because then you just picture you would have to do that. What did you watch the second season of Search Party? No, I haven't watched it yet. Yeah. So good, they're all just dealing with, I'm not gonna spoil it,

but they're dealing with the ramifications of the first. Oh. And what's your name, Alia Shokra?

She's such a great actress. She's a great actor. And this whole season of Search is having stress over what they did. It's amazing. It's really hard to watch.

I got that very stressful. Oh, it's shallow grave. Sorry. Okay, everything. Okay, it's a good movie, but so stressful in that way.

Just like, to, they do it for money. But like, when you, when you entertain that idea, yeah.

“Where you'd be like, what would it take for you to cut up a human body?”

Yeah. I just don't, there isn't an amount of money. I don't think so for me. I'd rather go to jail. It would PTSD you into infinity.

Totally. Oh, totally. The older man, the second body is impossible to identify. And that's a fucking thing.

Most of these bodies that are found are never identified.

They hope that would be easy to find the killer because the guy who they could identify Edward was, you know, had this trail through sleazy bars and gambling places. And he's known to be a procure of young girls for prostitution. And also admitted to have male lovers. So it's like, it's going to be one of these people from this area.

He was a game in Cleveland. Yeah. He's from the wrong third. They're like, it's going to be someone here. Yeah.

Or in Kingsbury run easy. But they follow lead after lead. And they can't find any really good suspects. And it leads the investigation leads nowhere. So the press starts calling him, calling the killer the mad,

King's Mary Run, which is like such a cool fucking name. Yeah, it's really good. So a couple months later on in January of 1936, a woman discovers two half Bush-led baskets left alongside a manufacturing building in the city. Inside the basket, baskets are neatly wrapped in newspaper.

“She finds that half the body of a female.”

Whoa. The rest of her body is found about 10 days later in a vacant lot nearby. I mean, people are stumbling upon nightmare after an nightmare. Also, if it was wrapped, it said it was wrapped in newspaper. Yeah.

So she unwrapped it and be like, what's in here? She's like, this could be a stack of money. Yeah. That's totally what I would be like. Look at this stained wet money.

I can't wait to unwrap it and spend it. Fuck. No. So fuck. Also because it's like you're saying depression error.

Yeah. She's like, just fucking food. Maybe the food I'm starving. Let this be. How about some nice dishes?

No. How about a nightmare for the rest of your life? Oh, God. Some nice dishes from the five and dime. Okay.

The cause of death, again, is decapitation. Fingerprints. Identify the body as Florence, Palilo, or flow. She's as fucking and like, flow, Palilo. Well, Palilo.

She's this like salty, fucking older woman. There's like a good photo of her online. She's a waitress of bar made and a sex worker. She clearly doesn't give a fuck. Carries a shank in her purse.

Like, obviously. She's doing it. She's getting hurt. She's stacking that paper. And tell.

She got decapitated. As the time of her death, she lived right on the edge of the wrong third.

And her head is never found.

Whoa. Okay. In June of 1936, King's very run. Two young boys are fucking out. Doing stuff.

And they find the head of a white male wrapped in a pair of trousers. What? Hmm. Those pockets. The police found the body of the 20-some year old man the next day.

So they found the head. Then they found the body the next day. Dumped in front of the police building. Whoa. Cleaned and drained of blood.

Everything's intact except for the head. Again caused by decapitation. Which is like, we're going to really talk about it. I don't want to. That's the fucking one of the worst ways to die.

We died of decapitation. Even fast, isn't it? Yeah. You got to help. Um.

What happens? For 20 minutes you're alive in your head. That's why wars.

“That's why you want someone who's actually good at who's like, is a butcher or a surgeon.”

Yeah. You don't want someone hack in a way your neck. No. No. You want a nice guillotine style boom.

Make a quick. What was that? I didn't feel anything. Lord Jesus is that you. Yeah.

Or whoever you're Lord might be. Okay. I'll take anyone at that point. Yeah. Just give me that.

Yeah. Okay. This is great. A plaster reproduction of the man's head because it couldn't identify him. Along with diagrams up his tattooed are displayed.

So the public can try to identify him and it's just creepy like plaster mask. It's so gross. That's the one thing I do remember about this. Yeah. All the details are very fuzzy as until you say them.

But I can see those masks. There's a lot of them. And you actually can see them in Cleveland. We should go and make one at the Cleveland Police Museum. They have a bunch of them.

Yes. Yeah. Two ticks. I'll tell you how to pull that out. I did that.

He's called the tattooed man and he's never identified.

So in July 1936, while walking through the woods near the west side a teenage girl comes across the decapitated remains of a white man and his forties. The victim had been dead about two months in his head as well as a pile of bloody clothing

Oh, who is doing this? Also two months. That thing. Yeah. It was from 50 pieces.

It had something smells terrible.

“But probably back then everything smelled bad.”

Oh, true. No. True, true, true. This was back when you had to put deodorant on. It was in a pot.

And you had to put it on. Like cream, deodorant. And we've ever seen that? No. And you didn't probably shower all right.

Yeah. And you just slapped on some cream deodorant. Yeah. No. Gross.

I can't. No. So this time, there's an enormous quality of blood. So they're like he must have been killed there. In the forest.

Yeah. In the woods. Then in September, 1936. So two months later, a transient trips over the upper half of a man's torso. Wow.

Well, trying to hop on a train and things very run. Oh. Did he get on that train? No. No.

I hope so.

“He's trying to catch a train and he trips.”

And that's what it is. Oh. Insult injury. Police sent a diver into a nearby swimming hole. Like sewer area.

And find a lower half of the torso. And parts of both of his legs. I hope that diver was compensated. Handsomely. Handsomely.

Because also it's a swimming hole. So it'd be all murky. It's really probably a gross place. It's more feeling around than diving with your eyes. Yeah.

Okay. This victim, who's the number six victim. As this was late 20, is cause of death decapitation. And corner notes that the headed been cut off with one bold clean stroke, which indicated strong confident killer.

Very familiar with the human anatomy. And that the victim died instantly. So that's good. Thank God.

Identification's never made.

Because you know, this is the time back then where it's all these transients trying to get jobs. They're writing the rails from city to city trying to not be in the cold, freezing cold winter. Trying to make a little bit of money anywhere they can. So it's just a huge transient population.

Yeah. And it seems like the killer, you know, used that to his advantage because if they can't identify the victims, they can't track who they spoke to, who they were, who they were friends with. Yeah. Clearly, it was a decision that was being made.

Exactly. I've put a pic. Exactly. I'm just a judge. So, plaster cast again or made.

And some with actual hair from the victims. No. And the plaster cast. Not necessarily. Well, we get it.

Round hair? Yeah. That's all you. Just typed that on a card. So this makes six count brutal killings in one year and the police had no clues or suspects.

The press reported almost daily on this, everyone's freaking the fuck out. Yeah. The officials are super desperate and embarrassed. And everyone's like, what is happening? Everyone's like, watch where you walk.

Don't walk anywhere. Tripping over bodies has become a big thing. Yeah. It's the new. Around this time, around the time that these started, Elliot Nass, who's a legendary prohibition agent.

You know, we all know Elliot Nass. It's Kevin Poster. I remember watching the untouchables when I was a kid. And I shouldn't have. Yeah.

That's not a kid, maybe. No. I will never forget. And I will never forget. There's the scene where he takes a baseball bat and bashes someone's had.

Yeah. I haven't seen the movie since I was a kid.

“And yet I still remember that scene very well.”

Yeah. Really fucked me up. He was the good guy, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why that was. Anyways. Elliot Nass.

So he, at this point, is a point in safety director of Cleveland, which means he's in charge of cops and firefighters and everything. He gets more involved in the case. They put a psychological profile together, saying that the offender was a psychopath, although probably not obviously insane. He got some knowledge of anatomy.

And he would have been very skilled at cutting flesh, obviously. Because the habitations are very messy. It was believed that he had access to some private space where the murders were performed. And if this was true, then the fact that the body has had been carried long distances to be dumped and decayed that he was probably really strong.

Mm-hmm. So he also may have been familiar with the Kingsbury run area. And yeah, and then two full-dime detectives are put on the case. These two dudes go undercover into Kingsbury run, like Shanty Town, which sounds so much fucking fun. Oh, shit.

Why isn't there a movie about this? I don't know. Because that's amazing. I think it's called the Adventures of Natty Gann. Isn't it?

She went into a Shanty town. I don't know. You can't. Oh, no, no, no. That's part two.

She was so brave, that little girl.

That would kind of be amazing.

Like female empowerment. She just gets tripping over torso, marching through. Yeah. And then that head. Cool.

She didn't give a fuck. Um, so they get it. They get a fucking go undercover. There's like photos of them too online of like being like, oh, look at me being a hobo.

Yeah. Like how you look. Now, sorry. Can I sidebar this? Yes.

Because I did dress up as a hobo one year.

Okay. I may have told you. My own idea because right around age eight.

“I think my mom started telling that was on my own Halloween costume style.”

So it was just like whatever you could gather around the house was your costume. Yes. A hundred or so. One time I was a catty because I found an a small old set of golf clubs in the garage. Then only you just carried golf clubs around you.

Oh, my god. Yeah. That was my costume. How did we manual labor? How did we?

Why didn't we? Why didn't anyone care? No one care kids. And then you go, you dress as a fucking catty. And then it's like go up by yourself at night and knock on people's doors and ask for candy.

But it didn't. I didn't make it to the night with the catty outfit because at school in that's like Halloween parade. I learned my lesson of like, I'm carrying 20 pounds of golf clubs from our reason. But and also in this day, age, can you imagine a parent being like, make your own costumes?

Yeah, they would be arrested and like you'd never hear from them again.

Yeah. So anyway, the that year I became I was a hobo. So I just had a bunch of old clothes and you know, the classic 70s child costume. Sure. But what I thought was going to be innovative is I put Vaseline on my face.

Then then I put coffee grounds on the Vaseline. So that look like I had a beard. And it was fun and creative until the part where we all ate delicious snacks started happening. And everything I ate to like coffee because that was what was on my face. And I ruined Halloween for myself.

No, my mother ruined Halloween for me.

“I think the 70s ruined Halloween for me.”

How did any of us enjoy fucking anything? That's a great question. Because I'll abazaba anyway. Okay, go. Um, pop up there dressed up like right.

Okay, thank you. They interview more than 1,500 people. It becomes the biggest place investigation in Cleveland history. And then on February 3rd, 1937, and man finds the upper half of a female torso.

Watched up on sure on the short east of. Brought to know. But got that wrong. Brought to know. Brought to know.

B-R-A-H-T. Brought. E-N. A-H-O. Brutonal.

I hear Cleveland screaming at us from the audience right now. Of our fucking Cleveland show. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Scooby-Dude talk. Great. Unlike all the previous victims,

“the cause of death had not been decapitation.”

Because that had happened after she had already been dead. And the lower half of the torso watched a short three months later. That about east, 30th street. The woman was in her late 20s. She's never identified.

Wow. So it's weird to that again, like with your dude, they're changing up the M.O.s. Yeah. So it's almost like, you know, nobody's fucking safe.

Yeah, because if they do it long enough, they're like developing and fine tuning to their own creepy. I mean, it becomes, for both these cases, it's not about, it's not, it's about the act, not about the victim and not about the want and a need.

It's more like about this obsession. Yeah. So it doesn't matter if you do it on a boy or a girl or a grown woman or, you know. Right. It's all the, yeah.

It's the planning and the, and the picking and the whole lot. It's enjoying. It's enjoying. It's being a psychopath. Yeah.

It's being a murderous lunatics psychopath. Totally. June, 1937, a teenage boy discovers a human skull. Um, next to it in a burlot bag, is several remains of what turned out to be a petite black woman.

So this time it's a black woman, changes the M.O.s. about 40 years old, dental work shows that she is Rose Wallace and police follow every lead they have on her. But nothing is found.

Then in July 1937, the National Guard had been called to maintain order at the flats. Or we're all, you know, everything's going on in a young guardsman is standing watch by a bridge and sees the first piece of victim number nine in the wake of a passing tug about.

Ooh. Over the next few days, police recovered the entire body except for the head from the waters of the Kaya Hoga River. The victim who had been mutilated,

mutilated, what is it? Is it is migulate 30s? He's never identified. God, it's crazy. Did it come off the

tugboat, perhaps? Ooh, that's a good question. I mean like, did it make anyone go maybe that, 'cause if you're on a boat, if you were the captain, say you're like a crab, Fishermen or something, right? You're not near the ocean, but some, that is a, yeah. It's a vessel, or you could be by yourself. Totally. You could clean things. Ooh. And you could rinse things off in the water. In the, in the water, let's surround you. That's a good point. Thank you. Let's look into that. Okay. In 1938, a young

the banks of the Kayahoga River. Turns out to be the lower half of the woman's leg. This is victim number

“ten a month later, police pulled two berlact bags out of the river containing both parts of the”

torso and most of the rest of the legs. She's never identified. Wow. Okay. Then in August 1938,

three scrap collectors forging in a dump site, which we're like, don't do that in Cleveland right now, guys. Guys, this is the time where you, maybe get into writing. Right. Maybe go internal. Yeah. Don't, don't do any kind of garbage-based activity. No. Exactly. They find the torso of a woman, wrapped in a man's double-breasted blue blazer, then wrapped again in an old quilt. The legs and arms are discovered in a recently constructed makeshift box wrapped in brown butcher paper and

held together with rubber bands. And this is the weirdest one to me because it makes me think that they're, and obviously, this is one of the ideas. It's, it's a lot of different killers. Because this one's,

“like, it's disposed of so differently. And I'm shocked that they couldn't find any”

clue based on that. From a suit jacket, we're at back when everything was tailor-made. Yeah,

from the suit jacket to the, to the box, to the rubber bands, to the quilt. It's like, I'm, it's so crazy that they couldn't find anything. And maybe if it, just if it were the same killer, they've, they've done it so many times and now they're taunting the police. It's like, there's a ton of clues and you're still not going to find it. Yeah, could be. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah, because there's a big difference between a burlap sack and a blazer. Yeah,

it's very weird. And it's like, it's hidden more than it was. And it was in a dump site. So it was, like, it wasn't left out to be found. So I bet this one is, I bet this one is made, is like, the husband made to look like, oh, yeah, it's one of the victims. Oh, yeah, the torso killer, smart that you think. And it says that some of the parts looked like they had been refrigerated. While searching for more pieces, the police discovered the remains of a second body only yards away,

never mind. So it's probably, well, maybe that was her lover. Maybe, yeah, these two bodies

had been placed in a location that was in plain view from elegant nest's office window. Whoa, so yeah, toying with him. Well, also that his office was close to a dump site. Yeah, like the dumps. Yeah, essentially. Yeah. Well, I wonder if theories went. Well, if it, so maybe it was like, let's say it was the husband who killed the wife and the lover and wanted them to get found, because he wants the insurance money, but they're going to just assume that it was killed by the

torso killer, so it wasn't like he murdered them. Right. I don't know. That'd be a great plan. Yeah, thank you. And that mean, but that, I mean, terrible. I mean, awful. Really. So August 18th, 1938, at 1248, Elliott Ness and a group of 35 police officers in detectives, raid the Hobo jungles of the King's very run. They arrest 63 men there and they search the shanties that they are that are now deserted, looking for clues. But you can't decapitate and

immasculate a body in a shanty. So they just go after the poorest and represented. Uh-huh. Well, they think because all these bodies seem to be of transients that it must be one of their own. Okay. Doing it. All right. But yeah, they're not going to do it in the shanty. There's a very little privacy in the shanty town. Mm-hmm. That's true. From my experience. That's a country song, I think. Any town to myself in the shanty town?

And then they set the shacks on fire and burn the whole fucking shanty town down the ground. Yeah.

“That's what the fucking Cleveland people said, too. What the fuck? No, they're non-solution. Non-solution.”

The press are really pissed off about it, too. They criticize Ness for his actions. But the murders did stop after this happened. Oh, maybe. Okay. Okay. And to line 1939, they bring in their suspect 52-year-old Bohemian Bricklayer, Frank Dolzol, does all, does all? Oh, like Rachel Dolzol? Mm-hmm. The woman who posed to me black? How did she spell it? DO-O-E-Z-A-L? I think. Yes. That's off. That was off. Right. Frank Dolzol? That was all.

Well, what a rich history that family has had. I mean, so he's arrested because he had lived with flow, our friend Flow, and who had been with the body that was found in the baskets. He lived with her for a while, and he revealed that he had been acquainted with the two other

getting beat the fuck up by investigators, he confesses that he had stabbed her,

“killed her in self-defense, but he didn't know any of the case details, and he kept getting bruises”

in injuries from his time in custody with a clued limb police, and within a month in custody, he's found dead in his cell. Oh, no. He said he hung himself with his bedsheets. He from a hook that was five foot seven inches tough around and he was five foot eight. No. So that math doesn't have a. And when the medical records show he had four broken, he had broken ribs and bruises all over his body that were not there before he entered prison.

Yeah. So not fucking, I'm just telling you the information I read, not saying anything. It's really good call, but yeah, that's dead all sounds. The problem with that, too, is when you kill the suspect, even if it's about suspect, you still don't know anything. Like you're you're still cutting off that line of information. Well, it's almost like you, you're not learning anything and you get more and more angry about it. And so you hurt him more

and more to get more information. But if he doesn't know the information, he can't give it to you. Right. So yeah. Yeah. So this day, no one thinks that he is the killer. All the like historians, to shit.

“So, but it turns out there is a secret suspect that Elliott Nass interrogated in 1938,”

but it didn't come out who it was until the 1970s. Was it Herbert Hoover? It was our money. Turns out it was a deranged doctor. Yes. Of course. Sorry. I love that. Yeah. Dr. Francis E. Sweeney. And he sounds like, you know, a fucking classic deranged doctor. Okay. Murderer type. Love it. He's a veteran of World War I, who was part of the medical unit that conducted amputations. Why did you just last era? I was trying to cover up a sneeze.

Oh, okay. Good. We're like, oh, Steven's finally his fucked up as a

young man. Oh, no. He's sneezing. I thought you laughed so hard that you, like, had a career face. What was Steven that that's when it's revealed Steven's intensely evil and has been this entire time. It's the thing, the thing that gets him is World War I amputees. Yeah. That's his fucking favorite. That's when Steven's real personality Steve comes out. Steve. Steve. Um, okay. So he's part of a medical unit that conducted amputations and patchings up in the field.

During the interrogation by Elliott Mass, who's like, at this point losing a shit because he saw him bear us that he can't find the killer. Right. Sweeney said to have, quote, failed to pass to polygraph tests, but they were kind of in the early stages at the time. So that's, you know, we don't know. Back then, it was just a third cop holding your finger and then going, lying, not lying. Very early rudimentary. That's exactly right. You can see that. You can see that in

Cleveland, cop, music, too. That's a cop sitting there. We're going to go meet him. It looks at the original eye detector. It's just screaming in people's faces. That guy, O'Leary,

he was amazing. Why? Best light detector. He was a light detective. That's right. I don't know.

It seems that, okay. So it seems like Elliott Mass definitely thought that fucking creepy Francis E. Sweeney was the killer. But there isn't a lot of information on it because it turns out that Sweeney was the first cousin of one of Elliott Mass's political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney, who had been hounding Elliott Mass in the press publicly about a failure to catch the

“killer. So he was about to run again. So it looked really bad if he was like, well, guess what?”

It's your cousin who's the killer. And no one would believe him. And then if he were wrong, he would ruin his career. Elliot Mass's career. Yeah. Very high stakes. Right. So he's like, fuck, I can't do this. But I totally think it's this dude. And then he was like, told everyone, don't fucking tell anyone. And no one fucking told anyone until the student was writing a book in the 1970s. And it was like, shhh, it was fucking Frank E. Sweeney. So after he comes

under suspicion, Dr. Sweeney commits himself to an insane asylum. And there are no more leads or connections that police could assign to him as a possible suspect from his hospital confinement. He's threatening postcards signed by Sweeney, uh, mocked and harassed. Except for sent to Elliott Mass, and they mocked and harassed him and his family into the 1950s. Wow. He signed them F. E. Sweeney, paranoial, paranoial, paranoial, nemesis, paranoial, paranoial, nemesis. Wow.

Okay. Of course. I mean, that's like kind of admitting that you did it. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

might be the case. Similar to capitation murders occurred in neighboring Newcastle, Pennsylvania,

“as well from 1923 to 1940, and none of those were ever solved either either. There's a lot of”

similar cases. Um, and before the first two bodies were ever found in 1934, a woman's torso

washed up on this, um, shores of Lake Eury outside of Cleveland. The victim's flesh had, um, also had the chemicals on it that looked like it had been, um, trying to embom her, and, uh, they called her the lady of the lake, but it wasn't until later that they put those, they made the connection that they were all. They could have been the same killer. Oh, well, um, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, did to do do, okay. Okay. So it's all so been theorized that the Cleveland Torso

murder cases have some connection to January 1947 murder of Elizabeth Short, aka the Black Dahlia. In fact, one of the sus many suspects from Cleveland, um, was living a few blocks away from where the body of the Black Dahlia was found, seven and a half in drained of blood. No fucking way. So somebody that got interviewed for, for that way back in the 30s, for those murders, you know, Cleveland, 18 years before. Uh-huh. Moves out to sunny CA, a couple blocks away to try his hand at acting. Uh-huh. We're what have you.

Wow. Yeah. Like, what are the fucking chances? The very low I would guess. Or was he, was he like, maybe he did kill her, and he just wasn't also the killer of the Torso people in Cleveland. That would even, wouldn't it even be more of a coincidence? Yeah. No, no, no, because he'd been following the murders that whole time in Cleveland. It was like, that sounds like fun and he killed her. So he was in a way copycating as well. Yeah. Either way, he killed the Black Dahlia.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it's interesting to note that Dr. Swini, who didn't dying until 1964, spent the rest of his life committed, he was allowed to leave for days or weeks at a time because he committed himself. Oh, until his permanent institutionalization in 1955. So maybe that motherfucker went to California for a while. Yeah. Where do you go and got to leave? Great question. Ooh. Um, NASA's inability to catch the killer drum fucking crazy,

and it also tarnished his reputation, which we know is like fucking super historic and yeah, godly. And official police records on the case have been lost, destroyed or removed. And so Cleveland Police Museum.com, a lot of good information there, and a lot of photos. And there's some gruesome ones too, just so you guys know. And also a website called PrairieGhost.com. Got a lot of good information there as well. Nice. So that is the, uh, the Cleveland torso, um, killer or the mad butcher

of Kingsbury run. Wow. Yeah. Also the fact that that, that ends with hooking up to another great unsolved mystery is insane. Like, it's so good and crazy. Yeah. Because then it means potentially it's some say 30 years now. They find some kind of kept whatever. Like, what if one day it's solved and it's not, it's the Black Dahlia and the mad butcher of Kingsbury run.

“The Black Dahlia will ever be solved. I mean, that's what I asked for for Christmas. So, yes.”

I believe that's Danny. I hear me. A speck of DNA. And then they put it through codeus and it's relate. It's the relation DNA that they have now. That's so cool. Oh, yeah. Where it can be like, uh, the, the person who's DNA, this matches is related to this other person who's in codeus. Oh, so even if they're not in codeus, which because they'll be so old, it wouldn't be in there. But it could be like, this is a person's great grandson. So they could track them down.

Anyway. Yeah. If that person is in codeus. Did you ever listen to that series? And I'm not going to be able to remember it off. Well, no, I can. It's Hollywood and crime. Oh, yeah. Did you

listen to that? And it's like basically all those, there were a bunch of similar murders before

and after that podcast is so fucking good. Hollywood and crime, if you haven't listened to it, man, that's good. And it is. It gets the way it's right into all this whole, the Black Dahlia territory. The Black Dahlia thing is, it's, it's so much bigger than you thought. Yeah. And it's, uh, it's a great podcast. Yeah. It tells all these stories. It tells it's so well. It's like, it's reenactments. I feel like I recognize some of the actors that are playing like the cops

and stuff. Yeah. There's some really good voice acting in it. Yeah, listen to it from the

“beginning because it's not, it's episodic. It's not. Yeah. And you need to know because there's”

all these, it's all connected. It's like it's amazing. So good. Uh, that was great. Uh, thank you.

really fun. 2018. 2018. Um, let's do it. More haunted trains in the background. 2018. I can't ever

move from here. I'm going to have a haunted train. And what's the best? So we start recording from a fucking train train train, a box car. Yes, box car. From the dining car of a train, or we have to wear like 40s outfits. And those pillbox hats with netting down the front. Martinez. Snutes. Martinez with tons of olives. I mean, here's a thing. If more, if we get threatened by nuclear war, even just a little bit more, I feel like I should start drinking again. I feel like nothing bad will

“happen. Um, I think wait till the first mom is dropped. Okay. And then I support you. But then”

you're right. You're right. When if you have bomber if you died of a seizure before you could die of nuclear Holocaust, wait till you're ready to die of a seizure. Hey, um, promise me. But here's the thing that just so it just says an FYI, the liquor and the seizures are not directly related.

The reason I can't drink is because my medicine's bad on my liver. Uh oh. So you can't you basically

like will like speed yourself into liver failure if you keep drinking. But it's not good for it, but it won't immediately make me have a seizure. Okay. If we so help and tell how long I think I got a good six months blender in me before I drop. I don't think that we're going to be around that much longer. Okay. Okay. We're back. Are there updates for the story? There are

“updates in 2024 DNA dough project teamed up with Kayahoga County's chief medical examiner”

to exume the bodies of the John and Jane Does associated with this case to test them for DNA and attempts to identify them using genetic genealogy. They had planned to test the remains from John Doe number four, which was the tattooed man. And John Doe number six, but there hasn't been anything else published regarding that. And we all know that takes such a long time, especially for cold cases where the culprit is probably deceased, most likely. So they're not in a rush,

but God, it'd be really incredible to get some answers there. I mean, just more and more waiting.

It's like, once they start the testing shouldn't the rule be that they have to get it done in a month or something like geez. It's like getting an RSVP to a wedding. It's like, you don't do it by this time. You don't get a comp to the wedding. Yes. Yeah. Same thing. What we're demanding is that you wrap it up. But also just like, what is the answer to that? Yeah. With those names, bring them any closer to finding, like, would that help center that killer? Right.

Because it's who was that killer? Yeah. It seems random. The victims. It doesn't seem like the suddenly everyone would be like, oh, it's that guy. But it could be like that your, your fucking murderer, where it's like, yeah, everyone knew it was the bartender wherever the place they all went to. Yes. That's my obsession. Your obsession as cold cases. My obsession is wolf, hiding in plain sight. Wolf and sheep's loading. Monster hiding in plain sight. It's that

is such an ultimate brain, like the wall in your brain is built so high. Yeah. And behind it, you're doing the most heinous things. And like, but then you're just in the world able to blend. Because we want these people who do such a thing to be so obviously out there and disconnected from us. But when they're not, they're like, maybe even better at socializing in society than definitely me. Oh, they're masters. Yes, exactly. Spoiler. But this is like the, that episode from

Widow's Bay where it's the clown killer. And he, oh my god. He hangs out with him. And as soon as I saw him, I was like, cute. That guy. But then that part where he is in the crowd. Yeah. What's down like, hey, buddy, neat. Oh, it's the scariest words you've ever heard. Right. That's what's so scary.

“It's like in a candy. That's why I think we like messy people because we're like, oh,”

they don't have their shit together enough to be like a cunning secret murderer. No, they're all, all their shit's on the table and they can't seem to get it picked back up. They're just, it's just there. Enjoy. I like a messy pickup sticks of a person. I like costumes nice clarity and no hiding, especially murderous impulses. Okay. Now we're going to get into good things of the week for this episode. I think this, this nuclear holocaust is coming.

No, this is the end where we say something. Why? This is the upswing of a murder. I had such a good time doing Jack shit over the holidays. I'm like, you know what, when the nuclear

Soon enough I got an argument with someone about how I wouldn't eat my cats.

“Fuck. And they were like, you have to. I just remember like, I got really mad at this guy.”

My friends cousin at the magic castle. Good. Because we got in this argument about like, you'd eat what you would eat your cats. I'm like, I'd kill myself before eating my cats if I'm like, if I have to. And he like, no, you wouldn't. I'm like, fuck you. I got like, so mad.

And I was like, why am I talking to this guy in turn? Also, first of all, if you've ever seen this

cat, there's not exactly on his body. That's when I was saying for what three extra days, that's just giblets. Yeah. You got nothing going on in that cat. That pouch on his belly is just skin. That's, yeah, you could, you could chew on it. Yeah. Still. So I'd have three extra days of living knowing I'd eaten my cat. I probably just die. Sorry. Why are we entertaining this? This is a person that's someone's cousin. You don't even know them and they're telling you how you

would be. Do they know that my cats have Instagram account? Yeah, they don't know shit about your kids. Because they've got our money makers. You're not going to eat them. I love my cats so much that I've

“an Instagram account for them. Yeah. I'm not going to eat them. That's the only way to prove love anymore.”

I know. Yeah. Like, when a vet tries to tell me about how to take care of my cats, I'm like, they have an Instagram account. Clearly, I'm like, that's like all I think of. And then you slam the door. Yeah. And they have $6600 bill me. Anyhow, so he's loved everybody. Well, this is what I was going to say. Don't take the nuclear strike off your worry table. Okay. Because there are just reams and loads of people. And there's no button on his desk. Okay. That's not how it's happening. Yeah. And there's people,

there's things happening. Do you think that they put like one of those staples? Oh, we got you got that button on his desk. I'm like, here. And it goes ping-bong. And then you're like, press it. Yeah. Um, yeah. There's, it's not going to go down like that. Okay. All right. I'll worry that other things in the meantime. I feel like I feel like there's so much to worry about. And that one is so overarching as a child of the, as a true child of the nuclear aid. Right.

Where that was actually a true concern of ours. Like, they would talk to us about it in school.

“Yeah. That's how old I am. Don't do that to yourself. Because it's just, you know,”

it's just because in the dark thing to say, but it's like, because you, maybe the thing you should be worried about is getting it by, but like you just don't know. Yeah. We don't. I'm thinking globally. And I, with problems and I need to think local. You need to act local. Yeah. That's something locally with problems. And I need to make you a martini, clearly. Oh, man. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, and I know I've said this for, I'm really good being a drone. I'm just like,

I don't slur. I don't try to tell you secrets. I don't fucking do anything. I want to hang out with you. Give me a drink because I bring all this other stuff to the table. I'm wearing and secrets are my favorite. How do you feel about fist fight? Because I think as a girl, you probably haven't gone into the realm the way you could of the way you can. But in one fist fight,

do you know that I do? I've never actually gotten into fist fight, but one time in a total

whiskey blackout on New Year's at the San Francisco punch line in the 90s. I a girl leaned across the bar and started yelling at the bartender. Now, it could have been as girlfriend. She could have been doing a bit. It was a comedy club. I do not know what was going on. All I know is the next thing I did is grab her finger and twist her around her back. And because the bartender was really nice and it made me like what she was doing was so

fucking irritating to me. And then the next thing I knew, there was a big circle of people standing way back from me and the girl was crying and going, "What did I do?" And then I was like, "Uh, what did I do?" I had no idea what I did. Oh my god. And then my friend like basically had to assure me out because I was like, "Wait, what happened?" So I didn't know that I finger assaulted her. You're not getting a drink. I'm sorry. It gets pretty serious pretty quick.

But it sounds fun. It is fun. Well, you know what it is? Because you know, sometimes you go out

and nothing happens. That would never happen. There's always something that's going to go down.

Man, all right, last day on the planet. Yeah, meet me here. Great. With a bottle of... Well, let's go out. Let's meet here and then we're going to go somewhere. Okay. Yeah, we'll start here. And you know, Vince is like the funniest drunk. That's when he's the greatest. Yeah. And he probably be able to keep me in line. Yeah. I was steaming your eye-designated driver. Perfect. No! Stephen, you're going to do last day at Uber. And it'll be a vans who pick people up. Yeah.

So stay sober. And in meantime, I'll start doing some research about one of those weird hidden bunkers that holds 500 people. We'll figure out where there is one that a man's been working on.

who have good drugs. Okay. Good liquor. Good personalities. And we'll all go into amounts. Lots of dogs.

Dogs will be fun, but then there's cats. He's going to go in like a backpack or something. Okay. All right. That's right. Great. That's my happy thought. Perfect. I feel like we just did that.

“Yeah. I mean, I think that's we covered that. There's lots to be stressed about these days.”

But also, don't forget in your stress. Then it also just start making up a fun plan. Okay. To kind of counteract your stress. I think it's a it relieves tension. Something we'll look forward to. For sure. Okay. I like it. And we're back. Does it bother you know what bothers me? That I was guessing something was going to happen in the world and the near future. And I was

off by like a nuclear strike and a virus. I was definitely of the idea that an antibiotic

resistant virus would happen. But so it's just like a little bit off. If I have fucking got it right, man. God. I'd be the president. You'd be dead. Yeah. I'd be like the NASA scientist. Actually, that would be a horrible fucking thing. Also to compare, but it's like the stand where just like the massive insane. Like you want to think that you would be able to know when something like a deadly fast spreading virus is going to come out and just wipe out. Yeah, a big part of the planet. Nope.

Tell yourself you, you would know the science and signals. Of course. But here we are. I told you that we were in the smoke house the other night and there was an emergency alert

that came up on the TV screens and then everyone's phone started going off. Oh, get out of

don't be in a crowd right now. Oh, it was whisk Scotty Landis and I looked over there. I'm like, yep, this is where this is exactly where we be. The nuclear bombs go off. That's like a bad place to be though. They got good on TV. Lock us in. Hell yeah. Get the valet guys in here and let's lock these doors. That's right. So this episode was originally named decompressions, which I love. It sounds like a massage therapy store in the mall. But if we were naming it today,

we could call it for example proactive sexism. That seems like a double negative. Doesn't it?

“I think so. Or just or what if it's super positive? What if it turns out to be the answer?”

Yeah. That's right. Okay. We could also call it man's blaming asteroids. Of course. I like that one. Or original Jersey. A high quality cow. Garbage-based activity is as good. I love that one. And then off your worry table. I love a worry table. That's good. And then of course, nobody has to worry because there's something big happens. We'll all go into a mountain. That's my big plan. Yeah. Yeah for maintenance. We've done it. Raven Mountain. Pick your favorite title. That's what we do.

Yep. And other than that, that's this week's episode of the rewind. Let's go back to good old 2018 and let my sweet baby boy Elvis say goodbye. Thanks for listening you guys. Welcome to 2018. Guys, we're so happy to be in this year with you. Yeah, we're going to do it. We're going to make this year count. We are. So stay sexy and don't get murdered. Bye. Elvis, you want cookie? Whoa. That was a good one. He was right there.

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