Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 103: Live At The Balboa Theatre in San Diego

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[Music] Hello, and welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is the show where we step into the past, through our old episodes, and we emerge from the other side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more.

“Today we're rewinding the episode 103, which we named, live at the Balboa Theatre in San”

Diego. God, this was a good joke. It was. It was. So good.

This episode originally came out January 11th, 2018. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 103. [Music] Yes, let's up San Diego, there's an exit there, there's two back there and of course there's one right over there, there's house right stage left, there you go, and of course we brought

from the rug that my great-grandmother, Slov on a loom, yes, this is the Kilgara family rug, was handed down from a gollway island all the way down to a speed of all. Come on, it's just gorgeous, and it's, I mean, I just spilled my nail polish, but I just didn't literally just painted my nails with backstage, Georgian, I say a pre-show prayer, this is the insider information for locals on like, and this was not a joke, because the, you

guys are atheists, no, we really say a prayer, we really say a prayer, tonight we set a prayer to the oceans and the local manicures, yeah, we're just going to start talking, and that at some point someone goes, A man, yeah, and so I just painted my nails and she went to grab my hands, we actually started the prayer, and then I went to say something you were like, we were like trying to be fake spiritual, it's what we do, and at one point

I would just say something, you were just, watch the fingers, it's much for me, I don't

get all over your hands, so these old things, look, my hands are covered in pen and worry,

it's some like, some damage, some gap jeans die because I'm not, never not going like

this, no, no murder, well it's great to be here in San Diego, that's my segue, that's my segue, is this new or did you just write this, is this gonna be your new thing, this is my new thing, I lean, oh my god, this is local Georgia, you're from nearby, and from nearby, I like you guys better than my hometown, not me, nor tell all the way, oh I like North Carolina better than my hometown too, so we're everyone's happy, let's rate the

entire United States right now, the last time I was in San Diego actually, it was for Comic

Han, you've been and I got into huge screaming fight with my friend and either the gas

late or the gas lamp district, either the gas later, I can't hear anything, it's the gas lamp district because the gas like district is where people take you to convince you that your thoughts are wrong, and the fight about, don't go there, she was doing that, she was gas-lamping me in the last time, she gas-lamped the shit out of you, your friends now, it's fine,

“but if anyone witnessed it, congratulations, remember that private memory of Georgia, the”

none of us were there for, well that's just the last memory I have in San Diego, so I'm really happy that this is the last one now, you're making new memories, right, all the time, right, San Diego, all right, I went to Belbo with theater instead of I got in a screaming fight, you know what I mean? Yeah, the last time I was here I just had a really mediocre set of comedy, so I also apologize for my last, my last experience here in San Diego, I didn't deliver

any of the goods, I mean they should apologize to you, I feel the same, they probably brought it, I brought it in my special way that only certain people would care about, luckily I've accessed that audience now, we found them back in 2008, nobody was having it, it was a different time, it was a different time, it was a different time, it was a different time, it was a material, that's right, all this, you know, I don't want to look, but are my spanked past

“my knees right now, that's what it feels like, let's all be friends and tell her, oh no”

they're right there, I gave up on those motherfuckers a long time ago, I thought I had Capri spanks

on for a second, me guys, it scared me, me guys spank, me, I spank, me, I spank, why is it not

a thing, some girls, and guys hate their calves, that's true, me, I spank, yeah you're, oh my god calf only spanks might be a niche that we get rich, even cut that out, but that's ours, that's ours, send it in the mail, oh you want to see me, am I? I don't know where it, are you seriously missing your cue, yes, what have you were wearing the new high spanks, look at him, he's panning his panning to the audience, Steven graduated from the zoo in 1916, just this old giraffe,

it's sure I went back to my old cage, it was great, oh so glad you're free now, no he's not with you,

“now he's in this zoo, keep him cage, that's not that, that's why it took a minute to open the cage,”

so he took him back to get out here, they'd just show him out, he was way in the corner all like that, no it's again, no Steven you're a local, yes I'm from southern California, and I'm not San Diego, that's seems sarcastic, sweater, it's real, yeah, we believe you, any last message for San Diego, stay, stay sexy, oh you, bye, get your own fucking say, he steals our motto right in front of us, and then we then we walk off, that's it, well he just

ended the show, what if we were like that, I mean we're going to be very soon, look at this, he would show people come to see a podcast, this is nuts, it's not, it's so fucking crazy, you guys, what are you doing, you guys, thank you for making this our job, we love it, it's so stupid,

write like a new recipe for fucking super bowl every year, it was like what are you supposed to do

with fucking buffalo chicken, well there's no other way to make it a thing, let's hear some options right now, what would you do, buffalo chicken dip, buffalo chicken planners, buffalo chicken, no let's change it up a little bit, it's impossible, buffalo chicken pudding,

“Karen you should be buffalo pudding, jello, I don't know what a buffalo pudding is, into a jello”

malls, and then hide it in someone's mailbox, it's a different, my thing is a different thing, my point was when yesterday I was like murder, I can't find a murder, where's the murder, and like oh my god my life is so much cooler now, I was so happy that it was like I love food,

but I love true cram and I didn't realize it was going to be a job, and then I was like oh my god,

because then you see all the food bloggers who were like here's a new recipe for Thanksgiving thing, new thing to put stuffing in, good luck, stop it, oh hazelnuts, you blew my mind, now that was a rant, when you really went off on it, I mean here's the problem, we drove down from LA today, normally we have all kinds of travel anecdotes and funny hilarious things of how the this city is different than our city, and we're just like should we go back tonight or just stay,

like it's not, this is a little bit home town here for us, we're just, yeah, this is a lot like

“you know what I say, it's like LA but here's the thing, people here, don't give a shit,”

and that rules, it rules, if you're in the industry it's like in the chillest way possible, you're not like in the industry, it's like really care, you make movies about pot or whatever, but yeah, yeah, I saw a guy that I when we were driving through and it from the head up he looked like my friend's dad and I was like whoa, but then from the neck down he was dressed like a 19-year-old surfer and I'm like that's not Christine's dad, it's not, it can't be him, he wouldn't have changed

that much, maybe maybe maybe maybe he went into the, what's it called when they, they hide you when you're in the cop, when you're in the cop, when you're in the cop, when you're in the cop, when you're in the cop, when you're in the cop, when they hide you, oh, this is my favorite murder by the way that's good one, thank you, good point, that's a really good point, this is my favorite murder, yeah, I wanted to say so after I tripped over the words "witness" protection for

I don't know, so we are highly qualified through crime pod gester, that's George a hard start, that's Karen Kelly, thank you, thank you, we actually now like to say that to our audiences before we start because we know that sometimes people bring outside or we'll call them outside to the show, pony boys and soda pops and whatnot, they bring them to the show and they sit here and they listen to us blather about fucking nothing and then like all say pockets and everyone

starts screaming, they're like, what the fuck is going on? And we feel bad for you and we're sorry,

“we know the majority of you are men and you're like, what is happening to my spouse?”

Yeah, this goes out to the assures too, by the, dudes, yeah, dudes, yeah, so yeah, we just, just so you know like we talk about true crime which is very dark and horrifying but then we're also make jokes which is highly inappropriate and we know, you don't need a lot of snow, we know, yeah we know, if my mom told me then it then I know, it's in there and I purposely doing

otherwise just to piss her off. That's right, so you know because we're always 14.

That's true, right? Yeah, come on, let's do it. Uh, anything to wrap up? Any other question? No. No, I guess that's all I got it. You got those allergies going again? Fucking at least this time I brought a tissue and didn't have to blow my nose on my skirt or the tablecloth which I've done before. I feel like you have blown your nose on every surface of anything in this country. It's some of the major theaters in this country. Just don't care anymore.

Yeah, you know, that's a great feeling. No, a good allergist. Please let me know. Email it. Email it and thank you. In advance. For helping me. Do you want a allergist? Yeah, that's right. I love reactive tissue. It's not what allergist do. Do you want to show everybody your shoes real quick? Oh, sure. I mean, you rarely wear a high heel. I fucking hate my heels. And those look good.

Thank you. They're only mildly painful. Thank you. They belong in the gas light district if anything. They do. They really do. Can I do the thing? They're then 10.

And then I put them on my feet. It's disgusting. Some old Italian lady wore them for like 40 years. Yeah, we're her church shoes. Yeah. And now on summertime. We're letting it up in them. Yeah. But we're ruining the memory of what's her name? Oh, of you mean, Giancarla. Yeah, Rosetti. Yes. Whoops. That's right. So bad at improvising Italian women's names.

Well, yeah, we've always had that about you. I know, I have to take that class at UCB.

Should we sit down? Yes. Yeah. Oh. Yes. Directors change. Directors chairs. San Diego. We're going to tell you guys what to do.

“Yeah, directing, directing. Is that how it works? I think so. And then you just like,”

and then you just pack it up and walk the fuck away. That's the nice part. We get to keep these. Did you hear it? To go to UCB. That's so just now. Yep. Here. Okay. To go with the rug. Okay. Dufferages. Did you guys just even try to talk into this? I just tried to go like this. That forges are opened. And that's the time you know, the show's starting is the water is are open. And I'm trying to talk and do it. Right now, the song is watching you hold the

ball of water. That closed your mic. Oh, look at this. There's no killer. Fair enough. Consumant. Professionals. Guys, some day I'm going to get some tights that are the same color as my dress. Or maybe ones you just don't notice. And then I won't bring all of George's hair with me on my dress to show you. That's my dog strangers. Oh, I thought you said George is hair. Oh, wait. You're so sorry.

George is hair. This shit. Yeah. I like didn't know. I was like losing all my hair like that. All over you. Oh, yeah. Clumps of it are coming out. I just don't want to talk about it. It just didn't know. Yeah. And then you just said it. And I was like, oh, that's so funny.

It goes first. It's me. Okay. Guys. Yeah, it's time. It's time to talk about all the things

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And we're back. The gas lamp quarter. There we go. That's the one. Well, we're over-therapized. So we're in the gaslight quarter. I'm aware of it. I should have known that one, but what am I gonna do? The gaslight quarter. Yeah. It's intense, but it's really fun. There it is. Now if I remember this correctly, we stayed in San Diego because we were in like a high-rise hotel by the harbor. Yeah, with a gorgeous view. Yeah. We didn't go home that night.

That would have been dangerous. In my room, it felt very like an 80s psychological thriller. It was very blue and white with huge windows overlooking like the harbor. Oh, like my amoevice episode. Like a man like I should have tried to ask like the bell hop to get me a kilo of cocaine.

“You know what I mean? Really get into it. I think we've only done really rad stories in San Diego too.”

Like remember the one that you did about the guy who drove a tank, stole a tank? I remember when that happened. Yeah. I mean, not the way those guys, that was like, you know, that was a whole room full of people's hometown. That's the luckiest story you can tell. Well, I think the one I do this time around like it's one of those stories where I'm like, okay, I decided to do it and now I have to wait for a live show, but I can't wait to tell you, and if you pick it before I do it,

I'm going to lose my mind. So I just really want to just do it now, but I have to save it for San Diego. You're not any way. Yep, I know. We have to get real strategic. We've learned a lot over the years. At what point did podcasting start feeling like a real job instead of a lucky accident? Say it with me. The network. Oh, yeah. Right. Absolutely. But I was like, when touring became

nonstop. We got into a touring loop, and we were just never not touring. And that was when it was

“I think we got, uh, I was going to say, strung out, but I mean, like, wrong out. Yeah. I mean,”

I think it just like, you can't do that much work. Yeah. And traveling, especially because I had left

you guys have to travel all over. Yeah. It was just part of it. And I was like, okay, I want some

thing else where I can be home with my cat, and then it's suddenly like, guess what, you're

“going to be even more. And Vince is coming with you. So you have to leave him with Steven,”

which is, you know, obviously fine, but disruptive, but at least it's got to come. It was just hard. You know, it was just like, but there was the pile got higher and higher than the book. We were doing a lot of stuff at one time. I think this was like a real peak. It peaks out here in the next couple years. And then look, we didn't know what the world did know. COVID is waiting for us to sit down and shut up. That's right. I couldn't come at a better time. I'm sorry to say it,

because I know it's, it's a definitely a place of privilege. But I felt like it saved my brain.

I got to spend an Elvis's last, like, year and a half with him every day, which was like, so many and full to me. The whole experience was just so, so absolutely surreal. It's like,

“all these things are happening. And then it's like shutting down the world. Yeah. The world was like”

sit down and shut up. Yeah, take a seat. Yeah, we're like, okay. And then we're like, okay. And we won't get up for about six more years. Right. And I'm atrophied my butt. Yeah. All right. Your story is a fucking classic and it's so good. Let's get into it, shall we? Yes, please. Okay. Here's Karen's story about Betty Brodrick. I guess who I'm going to talk about Betty Brodrick. Yeah. I was so excited when I put together, well, really, when Steven sent me, Steven sent

us, like, lists of choices that we could have. Every city we go to, he's very thorough and each get different choices that we don't overlap. It's a wonderful system. And when I saw Betty Brodrick's name on my list, I was like, oh, fuck yeah, I forgot she lived down there. I have seen every single fucking forensic files, 2020, nightline, every single, I've seen this woman all my life. The full, the full house episode, she was like, she's seen them all. I'm saying the thing is,

I don't know who she's off the top of my head. So when I find out, I'm going to be like, oh, really bummed I made that job. The Bob Hope Young comedian special where she nailed that seven minute set. I mean, she's just been in my life. No, you do know who I'm about. I'm sure that I don't know names. Well, I'll just tell you about it. But I got all of my most of my information from of course, Wikipedia. God bless them. I use them daily. Won't give them a dime. Just kidding, donate.

“That's what my father used to say when I would walk in and he would be watching PBS at night.”

And I'd be like, what are you watching? He'd be like, Nova, for free. I've been, that was his big

brag. I've never given him a dime. I'm like hilarious. We are, he's never listening to this episode.

You can't. We have to burn this the second that we're done. But I got some really good information from a podcast called Once Upon a Crime that you guys probably listen to has hosted by Esther Ludlow. Elizabeth Anne Broderick grew up in the New York City suburb of Eastchester. She was the third of six children born to a devout Roman Catholic parents. Her mother was Irish American and her father was Italian American. That's a bad combination, by the way. I don't know if

are there any Irish Italians here because they're all, it's not good. It's not, right? You're a lunatic, right? If they're screaming, super repressed. But then you also scream all the time. Like nothing makes sense. The vesiglias were very strict parents and is bedded later recalled. She was trained to act as a housewife since the day she was born. Go to Catholic schools, be careful with dating until you find a Catholic man, support him while he works, be blessed in your later years with

beautiful grandchildren. That was past, hard past. Now, what's my other option? I let guests like snort cocaine in a small room until you're dying. Great. Yes, I picked that one. She graduates from Eastchester High School in 1965 and that same year when she was 17, she traveled to Indiana with her friend to go watch Notre Dame, really? We're in San Diego. Pretend you're from San Diego. Play it cool. Just kidding. Go day Notre Dame. She goes to see Notre Dame football game with her

friend and there she meets a man named Dan Broderick. He was born in Pittsburgh. He was the eldest son of a large Irish Catholic family. Oh, all Irish Catholic? You're done for. That's what I'm from.

she was gorgeous, you know, like had her choice of men, but he lavished her with attention from the second that they met he doded on her. So she graduates from the College of Mount St. Vincent in the Bronx where she majored in early childhood education and she and Dan date and then on April 12, 1969 they are married. They honeymoon in the Caribbean and very soon after they return from the honeymoon. She finds out she's pregnant. That's right. You guys. You Italians and you Irish.

Just get started right. Oh, wait. Get those babies. Don't get to know each other at all.

That's exactly it. She's like, what's your favorite movie? It's amazing.

So he was finishing up his medical degree at Cornell and they're so poor that they have to move into the dorms together. This isn't there's a re-enactment that I watch recently and it's two actors playing the two of them and they sure it's great. Walk it's amazing. It's such good acting. And some really great backding also because they walk into this dorm room. Is that a thing? It's my thing. I love it. Yeah. There's you can really give a lot with your back.

“If you're a good actor. I'm going to go to the action class. You should. You should. Because”

that's how you become a great extra. Yeah, I've done that. Right? It is. You just, you really

let people know something's going on that way. Definitely, there's definitely me walking away

in the background in a camera and like TV shows and shit. For real? Just walking away, walking past and walking away. What do you mean? I was an extra. Oh, oh. Oh. I thought something happened. When did you get this part? Well, it was on full house. Sorry. Go on. That was irrelevant. Wait, was that a 90's thing that you did when you moved to Ellen when you moved into the city? Clueless to TV show. Yes. Darwin, Greg. Darwin, great. Yeah.

Did you, were you one of the people in their living room? Yeah, just in the corner. You know,

“I had someone in the corner hiding every office. Did you have to know that? It's like a,”

I said girl, hi, during the living room. No. And then some stupid shit. Other stupid shit. Well, congratulations. Thank you. It was really a highlight of my life. I bet. Did you get to, did you get to wait for like 18, 18 hours? Yeah. Eight hard bullet eggs and back did it. Right. Okay. Excuse me. Goodbye. Oh. And Joan of Arcadia. Whoa. Deep cut. Yeah. Who was Joan of Arcadia? Oh. You mean that? No, the story line.

I just told me the old series arc really quick. I was on it. I didn't watch it. You didn't write it. I didn't write it. I don't understand how any of it works. Okay. In this reenactment, Betty and Dan walk in and they have to move into a legit dorm room amid a married couple and she's pregnant. It's the saddest thing I've ever seen. Like when those dormers with this cement blocks as well, or you can't like put up your poster unless you

get that special gum. And he says like dark, dark times for Dan and Betty. So, um, their daughter

came as born in 1970 and a second daughter Lee is born the next year. Guys, Irish twins.

“Dan finished his medical school and then tells Betty he's decided that he's, what?”

Now, sorry. I didn't mean stop. Go. You meant like, you don't like when it's headed. Yeah. Dan's now going to get his law degree. Oh, okay. Because he's decided that he's going to be a medical malpractice lawyer. All right. That's where the money is at. Um, which he was all about. And so, uh, he had to get a student loan. He goes to Harvard Law and Betty starts working. She's two kids and working so that he can go through law school. Honey, um, after four years,

he graduates and he's hired by a very high status law firm here in San Diego. So, the whole he moves the whole family to coral reef. No, but no. Nothing. Did I cut and paste that wrong? Or did he literally move them onto a coral wave? And that's nothing. I feel like a lot of these, the places where bad things happen. They change the name of the place immediately to just to be like, you can't find it. You weirdo tourist. Is that used to be called

knife town that we had to change the name? That they happen. All right. But now he's got this high status job. So she, she doesn't have to work anymore. Right. So she gets to be the housewife

law firm and he's very successful. The longer and longer his hours become. And because he's, you know,

“he's tells Betty, he's outwining and dining clients and working really hard. Well, she, of course,”

is getting pissed. And, um, you know, she makes dinners and he misses them and she kind of starts ranting to the kids talking about their father. And he's not here. And, you know, like, really,

she's, she always had this habit of kind of when she got mad. She didn't care what she said in

front of the kids. That is a ticket to therapy. Those kids romance town 100. But she's feeling intensely unappreciated. She's caring for two small children. She's in this house by herself. You know, there's no adults around. She doesn't like the family dynamic, essentially. So at one point, she convinces her, they go to, which didn't say she convinced him. They went to marriage and counter, which was this Catholic marriage retreat in the 70s or married early 80s.

“Marriage and counter, my parents not only did my parents go. No, my parents went and they had”

a sticker on the back of my dad's Volkswagen. Marriage and counter. As if like, we're good. We're doing it

with the Lord's help. Oh my God. Yeah. Big time. It just sounds like a Swingers retreat from people who believe in UFOs. How dare you? Doesn't it? Marriage and counter, like, whenever I'm, like, you want to have an encounter with your fucking partner. You don't want to have, like, a just piece of something like, for people who believe in UFOs. Marriage and counter. Swinging with aliens. That's right. It's marriage and counter. Yeah. And then counters just like the least romantic marriage word. Yeah.

I don't get it. I'm going to change that name. Marriage passing experience. What they did at Marriage and counter was you'd have to write your spouse a long letter talking about how you felt about the marriage. And when I was like, but when I was like eight, I found my parents letters. So caring. I love little Karen. She's such a bad girl. Little Karen. Little Karen didn't. Wasn't good with boundaries. But little Karen didn't raise herself.

Someone. No. I actually didn't read. I started to read them. And it started with my moms. And it was like, dear Jim, you're this and you're that. And then I was like, Ew, this is none of my business. Good for you. You are good with boundaries. They were like, here it is. I'm creeped out by the love. I mean, they were, they were married for like 45 years. So marriage and counter works.

Finally day. Yeah. My parents didn't go divorce quickly. Well, I'm fast divorce. Yeah. Okay.

The Indiana Center, he talks about how he knows he's a workaholic. And he knows he's not being a good husband or a good father. But he has these financial goals that he really wants to reach. And Betty's letter is all about being alone in the marriage. It must have been an okay experience for them because after they had their third child a boy named Dan. So at this point, Betty has two preschoolers and an infant at home. And she started to feel like she's losing her

identity. Meanwhile, Dan is so successful in doing so well. He actually came slightly locally famous because he represented one of the families of the victims of a brand dispenser that I don't like Monday's school shooter. So he became well kind of well known. So by the fall of 1991, he's doing so well. He leaves his original law firm and opens his own. And he gets this big these big fancy offices in a high rise. And he asked Betty to redecorate the offices. She comes in

and she kills it. It's gorgeous. Everyone is like amazed and it's all very high status and like

“70s. I've had so 70s. Oh my god. The brass and the crown. The smoked glass. Can you see it?”

Furns everywhere. Furns. She's like, well, a fern garden over here, back from me everywhere. And our pit hair over here. Oh, no, sorry. This is 81. Rainbows, neon rainbows, and a nickel in the entryway. Okay. So Dan buys a two-seater Jaguar and Betty loses her foot and shit. Hell yeah. Right. It's his dream car, but she's like, you clearly have no interest in being part of his family. I'm going to be fair back in the 80s.

Don't worry. Let's see both. Grab that roof. Yeah. Um. Meanwhile, Betty drove a suburban

“and her personalized license plate red load them up. So she was like, yeah, she was doing that”

mother thing. My god, sex isn't exists. I know you didn't need 80s. I don't know. Doesn't anymore. But she was like, she was playing the part and they were super rich. Like, she bought, they bought stuff. She had a spending problem. They said, and she bought shit all the time. The kids had everything they could possibly want. She bought designer clothes. She was like super into the way she looked, but she was getting really neurotic because she was starting a game

way and she was getting older and she was starting a game weight and she felt like she was losing

her looks. And so she was starting it like, um, compulsive kind of reaction. I'm not analyzing her.

I don't know her. But um, but she does sound a lot like when I read through the story. I was like, did she take diet pills? Because she has a lot like me when I was on diet pills.

“It's like, we're new start yelling at somebody and then you just kind of can't stop yelling.”

You're in your mind. You're like, I don't feel this way anymore. And yet my mouth is still angry. I don't know what to do. Um, it's a theory. It's not a fact. So, okay. So the fights are beginning to escalate. So when Dan will come home late from work, she'd lock him out of the house. He'd have to throw rocks at the kids windows so they could let him in. And then if they did that, Betty would yell at the kids. That was the worst part. These kids were right in the middle of

this awful marriage. And they were, they got screamed at constantly, by Betty, by Betty, being angry at Dan, she would scream at them because they were the only ones there. She would scream about how awful he was and she started cursing and like getting really fell mouth, which I don't have a problem with, but it's not cool around five-year-old. Um, it works for me. Did Janet have a mouth on her? Oh fuck yeah. And then she'd be like, "Do as I say, not as I do.

Don't curse. Do as I say, not as I do as her fucking jam." For everything, saying, as she took a big drag of a drink. Um, so, uh, here's this fucked up thing. She would, when Dan wouldn't come home from work, she would sit the kids down and tell them they were getting divorced. And then all the kids would get were super upset. And then she'd go, "No, since we're getting divorced, which parent didn't want to live with." And they would be

super upsetting. And then they, it wasn't until Dan would come home from work that he would be like, "No, we're not getting divorced. It's everyone, everything's fine." So that, um, in, in this story,

I always had that thing of like, you know, this story has been in, in kind of like,

in, since I, in our minds, I guess, first, it's since the 80s since it happened because first, it was like, the fucking crazy wife, you know, this crazy. And then there was the second wave of or what she'd driven crazy. Yeah. And yeah, there's lots of ways to take it. But when I hear stories like that, it's just like, whatever's happening, that is not fair. And that control yourself. Figure out a way to control yourself because you're, that's abuse. You're abusing four children

repeatedly. Yeah. Um, so, uh, and the, and the other problem was that when they would fight, he would just ignore her, which as I was typing it, I was getting furious, because it's like, like, her, she already had an anger problem. Yeah. And you just pretend like nothing was

“happening and like sit down and eat dinner. Dan, but he's Irish Catholic. And that's how we do it.”

Shut it down inside. Um, so then, in the fall of 1983, he hires a woman named Linda Cole Kenna to be his legal assistant, Linda, before that had been a Delta Airlines flight at 10 in had no legal training that she's had. She was, she was a, she was a very homely girl with large glasses and large spanks. You know, that's not true at all. In fact, Betty overheard Dan describing her, uh, Linda as being beautiful at a Christmas party and lost her fucking shit, of

course, right? And immediately, he became convinced that the two of them were having an affair. And she would hurang Dan about it all the time and ask her about it. And he was like, you're crazy, you're crazy. Gas Lamping her. Um, yes. Right. You know how it is? In the gas light, he would take her to the gas light district and gas lamp the fuck out of her. Um, that November, um, she threw, they had, they're both of their birthdays were in November,

so she threw it in her party and threw the, had this big party, made this huge gourmet meal. He didn't fucking show up for it. What a dick. And that night, she, you know, attempted suicide,

abandoned to care for her. Um, but she was in, clearly in a very, very bad place. So she started

“hand to you around her Christmas time. She starts hanging around that she wants an, um, this”

emerald ring for Christmas. Um, and on Christmas day, when she, he hands her the velvet jewelry box and she opens it up, it isn't the one she wanted. It's smaller and less expensive. And she throws a fucking tantrum and like shuts Christmas down. Uh-huh. So priorities, you know what I mean? Like, you fight for what you need emotionally. I mean, maybe it was ugly. We don't know. I mean, it's an emerald. What the fuck do you want? Yeah. What are you in the fucking Wizard of

All? What are you gonna? What are you gonna go to be in the middle of the city, fucking get your hair curled like Dorothy? Killer down. So, and this whole time, these fights are escalating. Um, he, he actually moved out after, uh, after that, he packed his bags after she ruined Christmas, moved out after two weeks. She was like, the children can't be, or, it's insoluble. And so he moved back. Well, that's healthy for them. Yeah. It's healthy for all of them. Yeah. Um, um,

so let's see, this is a very odd point. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, straw the broke the camel's back for Dan was during one of these horrible fights beddy through a bottle of gel at him. Like hair gel, hair gel. Yeah. Was he really into his hair gel? I mean, it was 1985. Everybody was really into hair gel. Okay. You didn't, it was actually a city mandate

“that you had to wear a shit ton of hair gel. Remember that like, what was like, Malibu, something”

and I looked like gelo when you just, yeah, and through your hair. Yeah. And they look, thank you. I mean, that's one brand. It was what I was thinking of to be fair. That should smell like, um, bad chemicals, like, paste and chemicals. Like, chemicals, like, they didn't even put anything, a flowery smell in it. They were like, what if we, it's kind of sent, this like gasoline, and then the kids can put it in their hair. That would be fun.

Everything was flammable. That then was my hair falling out again. Okay. So, look, listen, look, it moves up. It's February 1985. He buys a house, a his own house. Betty becomes increasingly unhinged, and she, one night, Kim, the oldest daughter comes home, she's in high school, and they, she and Betty get into a fight, because she came home late. She drives, Kim over to, um, Dan's house and leaves her on the front porch and drives away.

Doesn't check if Dan's home. He wasn't home. He was working late. And so, by the time Dan did, get home, it was like 11 o'clock tonight, and she's just sitting on the porch crying. So, she starts living with Dan. We'll then, um, a little while later, uh, Kim and Dan are out to having pizza for dinner when night, and when they come home, um, their younger brother,

“I think it was eight-year-old Dan was sitting on the porch crying. She had left him on the porch,”

and nobody was home, and he was eight years old. So, eventually, Dan got the custody of all four kids.

She basically went and dropped all of them off. It was like, "This, you deal with it for a while."

Which, listen, for a woman that has raised four children entirely herself, you go, "Okay." I mean, not today, not awful. Yeah, sure custody. Or do you fucking something Dan, um, Dan drives away and is Jack. Sorry, I can't hear you. Okay. Basically, their divorce was so acrimonious and horrible, it became famous. They got divorced. It was finalized in 1989, one of the more famous divorce cases in the United States, and part of it was because part of one

of the arguments was involving the fact that women who worked and put their husband through school, how that would affect the alimony. Yeah. And the outcome of the divorce really. They get it all. I mean, you'd like to thank one too. Um, Betty starts leaving incredibly profane answering machine messages. Uh, I don't know if it starts, but I mean, she, she was, uh, she was trying to, like, kind of contact him and make him understand how fucking living she was all the time,

and she couldn't do it. So, they have hours and hours of her answering machine messages, and it's fucking nuts when I listen. It's not good. Um, she, she, they were restraining order. She would break into that house and like go through his shit and try to find stuff.

Finally, he admitted that he, in fact, all along had been having to fare with Linda since 1983.

the kids were there. So she would go to Dan's house. The kids, I think, at that point, both girls live there and the boys would live there sometimes. She walked in and said, there's a pie on the counter. And, uh, she said, oh, what's that? And one of the boys, the younger boys, not thinking, was like, a Linda made that for dad. It's his favorite part. And she picked up the pie and went up stairs, and she went into the bedroom and, like, just started scooping out the middle of the pie and throwing it

on the walls. Mary can on the bed. Mary can on the bed. Mary can on his clothes. I kind of love that, uh, oh. I mean, you can do it. You can do it. Yeah. But what's she wrong? Does it, um, mainly, yes. It's better than guns, but it's not good. Um, um, okay. So, they, uh, they,

“on April 22nd, 1989, Dan and Linda get married. And I think, oh, sorry, Steven shit. We've got several”

pictures that we need to show you. Hold on. So, can you show up in an early picture? Because that's

Linda and that's Dan. No photos. Sorry. It was the first one was Betty and Dan at their wedding.

Okay. This is Linda and Dan. Oh, she's first. He's 42 and she's 28. Linda looked basically like, Betty looked when she was that age. So, her whole obsession was she basically just been replaced. She went in. She did all the work. She put him through two fucking schools. She had his kids. She raised his kids and then she got replaced. Um, hmm. All right. So, oh, the day they got married, a family friend stayed with Betty to make sure that she didn't go

“and wreck their wedding. That's how extreme her behavior was. Yeah. So, seven months after they were”

married, Betty Broderick drove to Dan's house at 1041 Cypress Avenue in the Marston Hills neighborhood to San Diego and using her daughter Lee's key to enter the house while the couple was asleep. She shot and killed them execution style. Both of them? Yes. Oh, my, I think I remember this now. Yeah, right. You do because do you have her arrest photos, Steven? That is one smug, mother fucker. She was not bombed. There's Barry again. Oh, like a Barry.

Hey, Barry's back. Barry is the zeleg of San Diego. Oh, my god. She is most certainly not bombed. Wow, that's scary. That's so scary. I think my mom had that shirt. I swear to God.

“I think my mom had that haircut. Um, hmm. Oh, my god, that's so sad. Yeah, she, she did that and”

then she basically called her daughters and told them that she did it and then and then turned

herself into the police. Oh, yeah, it's, it's horrifying. And she did it two days before her 40 second birthday. Um, okay, so two bullets hit Linda in the head and chest, killing her instantly. One bullet hit Dan in the chest and it looked like he was reaching for the phone. She had taken the phone and answering machine out of the room previously when she'd broken into the house. So that, that came up later because it was entirely pre-meditated. Yeah, she said that she went

over there. She didn't go over there to kill them. She just, she just went over there to talk. I think is what she's saying is, yeah, instead of her mouth. Gun chats. Yeah, you know. Meanwhile, she was getting $16,000 a month, Alamone. I know, right? She was living in a at the time $650,000 La Jolla Beach front property. Holy, she had two cars and she had a living like or not living like a full-time boyfriend. Full-time boyfriend. Oh. Okay, Erin, in love. How you doing?

I want to get a full-time boyfriend. Thank you. Well, she doesn't want no part. I'm rather. That's right. Call Megan trainer. I've got to hit for her. But this is still fucked up. Sorry. So, sorry. This is the part where the stranger gets very upset just so you know. Yeah. He gets shot. He reaches for the phone. There's no phone there. He doesn't die instantly. And, in fact, he said he looked at Betty and said to her, "Okay, you shot me. I'm dead."

Those were his last words.

The pretty fucking dark. Yeah. Okay. So, basically, okay, no, I just skipped to the page.

And, you know what that means? Well, her first trial, so the first trial starts in October

22nd of 1990. And it was, of course, all over the media. It was on broadcast live, on local television, which I got. I would have loved to watch it now. Do you imagine, like staying home from school? Just like nine years old? And I'm like, "Mom, I'm not going to school!" I feel sick. Here you hear you. Shit. So, she, she, testifies she didn't intend to kill her husband. She said she went to their house

“planning to kill herself. That's what it was. She went there saying she was going to kill herself”

in front of them. And then, when she went in, she has no memory of what happened after that. And she says that he harassed her during the bitter divorce, left her emotionally and financially ruined. You know, financially ruined with your fucking thousands and thousands of dollars of

elementy. Her first trial and in a deadlock jury. What? Yeah. Tenures reach the verdict murder two

holdout for manslaughter. Guys, did they know what that means? Well, I think maybe some of them were like, "Oh, I put my husband through college as well." And that mother fucker lives in me. Yeah. West Kovina now with someone named Daniel. They call her Danny. It's not cool. Not cool. I think she roller skates for a living anyway. I'm really angry. So, when she's waiting her second trial, she's involved in a jailhouse scuffle with sheriff

stuff. They started it. They alleged that she injured three of them and smeared feces around her jail cell. Yeah. So, I mean, I think she just kind of went full-crazy like in jail. She was just like,

“you know what I got to be mean? The best thing to do this day. Later days. I don't have to”

carpool or do anything. What will I do with my time? Okay, so our second trial begins off

over 15th 1991. The prosecution argues for a finding a first degree murder saying that she carried out a cold blooded execution. And the defense again says it should be voluntary manslaughter because she was driven to the slaying by years of psychological abuse and intimidation. But under the cross-examination, she just, oh, so she says that when she goes into the house on this trial, that she walked in and went into an altered state of consciousness and doesn't remember pulling

the trigger. So, they play back and those answering machine messages where she's fucking going crazy. And at one point, she actually talks about getting her son to go beat up her husband, his father. In December 5, 1991, Superior Court Judge Thomas J. Wheelan instructs the jury to consider options of involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter and second and first-degree murders. The jurors deliberate and they come back to find Betty Bruder guilty of two counts of second-degree

murder plus two counts of using a firearm in the commission of a felony. She just recently was up for a parole. No way. Uh-huh. And it was the second, it's the second time she's been up for parole and on that podcast that I mentioned, they play a tape of the four kids and two of them want her to stand jail and two of them want her to get out. Man, it is. Ultimately, the whole thing is heartbreaking, it's bad. There's nothing worse than that. But because these children,

whatever was going on between those adults, these children had no control and nothing to do with it and their lives got so fucked up because of it obviously. I mean, they ended up doing fine, but the idea of that, that they're, they're still in the middle of this from their still stuck in the middle of that horrible life. It's so shitty to end on a nice note.

“I believe as in 1992, they made, uh, uh, made for TV movie that merited that backstir Bernie”

starred in and was nominated for an Emmy. So let's focus on the positives. That was pretty broader. Everybody. My papers. And we're back, Karen. Any updates? Just a couple, Betty

She would have been up for parole again in 2032 and just a reminder that the second season

“of the TV show, Dirty John, was about this story and Amanda Pete played Betty and she was so”

fucking incredible. Yeah. And it was so fucking good. It was unbelievable. It was a joy to watch.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. So okay, this isn't a murder because I'm going to do whatever but they let no. Instead, I'm doing the cult I most likely would have joined the heavens gate. Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! This is the exact same story of when Steven sent it to me. I was like murder girl, murdered girl. The skull got my head in his gate and I was like oh my god! Steven, I'm so angry at you that you didn't send me heavens gate that we're going to have a

long talk after this show. After this one and before the next one. He didn't miss all of it. It's so good! I can't wait! Listen, maybe I maybe I won't yell at him because it's going to be fun to not have had to do the work. Listen, they had a lot of beliefs and I had like six pages of

Any off-hand that you can remember like on the site's night keys and jello shots? Well, they did this

“thing where they, you know, did they gave up all the show shots? Why don't I listen more?”

That's so funny. I want to join that call. You're trying to do your thing. All right, I'll tell you about it. Let me tell you about it. Okay. Actually, Marshall Apple White. He's the son of a Presbyterian minister, so already got it together. He begins his full ray, got beat up based of them. No, it's a-- You did it. In the early 70s, into biblical prophecy, he was fired from the University of St. Thomas and Houston, Texas because of an alleged homosexual relationship with one of his students.

That's right. Which part? All of it. Oh, you guys didn't know? What were like? Okay, so in-- so he goes-- at some point he goes into a psychiatric institution, maybe it's after this. And in March 1972, and he meets Bonnie Nettles. She's a 44-year-old married nurse, music teacher from Texas. She's super into the ossofy. And the ossofy. The ossofy.

“And we know the ossofy. Did they copy and paste that or onto us?”

No, it's theology and philosophy mixed together. We know what it is. It's kind of like-- Where did my-- Okay. Don't laugh at me. Okay, laugh at me. It's like-- The biblical prophecy, all that shit she's super into it. And they-- So they kind of become really-- They come really close friends pretty immediately when he gets out of the hospital. They go on eight-- Six months-- Six months on road trip across the United States. They start calling themselves

Bo and Pete. Sorry. So like inside this mental hospital, this nurse is going around like handing out little cups of pills. But she's like, I don't know. There's something about you. I just want to-- Yeah. I think we should be

really good friends. The thing about you is that your face is always in a Bible,

and you're super into the possibility that extraterrestrials exist. Oh, almost a marriage encounter situation. Okay. Yeah? I like it. I like it. It was on my mind. Yeah. So he-- he said he later called that he felt like he had known her for a long time and that he thought they had met in the past life. And she told him that their meeting had been foretold by extraterrestrials and persuaded him that he had a divine assignment.

She was the nurse at the mental hospital. Well, so she said she was behind the counter. And there was she was lying. And we don't know. That's right. So by June of 1974, they study religious stuff. They're into religion, sci-fi, theology, and they conclude that they had been chosen to fill the biblical prophecies, and they had been given higher level minds than other people.

Why? I want a relationship like that where you're like, you mean a person, you guys are sitting in Applebees? I mean, we would be sitting in Applebees in here. Just like, this isn't just normal chemistry. This is alien shit happening between us. Well, that's every fucking couple in the

beginning. They're so annoying. It's like, "We're meant to be," and where's the first hand? Like,

this is fate. And it's like, you just met at a party. You like the other one's smell. Yeah. Fair amounts, and you just don't understand it. She looks like your third grade teacher. And he is taller than you, so it's all working out. That's love, baby. That's love. Or maybe you're aliens. Or maybe you're both Bible prophecy aliens. We don't know for sure. We share judge with them. Look, um,

they wrote a pamphlet that described Jesus' reincarnation as a Texan. Sound familiar, Texan? That's where Marshall Applebees was from. Maybe it's him. Oh, or it could be a quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. No, no, she got a team right. The Cowboys. I did. I was the

“other one. I think I called the Denver, the Denver rattlesnays. They didn't like it. It's not a”

thing. They didn't like it when I called their team a rattlesnake. Oh, well, we know. We don't care. Okay, they said they were two witnesses described in the and period, I wrote and called themselves the UFO two. Oh my god, they have the worst fucking name. Oh, get out of your toilet. Keep, you already have a name. Already, I haven't better one. The two F-O. Come on, the two F-O's. How about the, the top of my head? No,

work that way. And if you're going to extra two restriles, like come on. It's so easy. Get creative.

Two live crew of aliens. I just want to be a part of it. Oh, it's good. Let me have. So they thought they would be killed and then restored to life and transported onto a spaceship in an event called The Demonstration. The marriage demonstration. As I am giving up their earthly possessions, which is like what every cult does. Which was like, we know they had an institute of strict no sex, no human level relationship,

no socializing rule without anyone outside of the cult. They didn't call themselves a cult, I bet. I'm calling them. Sorry, so, so there's people in their cult now. And they also don't, it's their not boyfriend and girlfriend. No, because he was not her full-time boyfriend. I don't like that with them. Well, he, I don't, they don't really say, but he had the homosexual relationship. So I think maybe he was gay and then he was, yeah, maybe not. But they don't talk about that.

Okay. These kinds of decisions. It sounds like he wasn't like a dick. Cult leader. He was kind of like, you want to be here and I'm not like, can I make you? He was a chill cult leader. He's like a cool chill cult leader. It's about UFOs, which sounds fucking fun and I can't promise I wouldn't have joined this cult. Just to see what they were like or maybe gone to a meeting. I mean, sounds pretty cool.

You like just check stuff out. If I don't even anything in this fucking life, it's alien. So, really? Yeah. I hate alien. I know. I don't think we've ever seen. I know what, I'm not going there.

“Okay. But a couple of their things. I was like, yeah. Yeah. That's what I thought late at night when I”

can't sleep. No. Definitely. Like, where do drafts come from? They're aliens. No, they have a long time ago. No, it's just evolution that happens. The bear small berries top of tall trees you get a long neck. It's not aliens. Yeah, but they were, I totally agree. No, we're fighting about abolition. I agree. I disagree. And anyways, okay. So these decisions,

like this, we're always left up to the members and aid of them, including Marshall decided to

voluntarily get castrated because they were like, no sex seriously. It's quite a commitment. Tis, it's like a tattoo. They're going to have it forever. I'm going to ask a question and reveal a deep ignorance of mine. Okay. Now it's not getting your dick cut off. Okay. If I had been wrong, I'd have just cut it so just to cast it. I've always, every time I hear it, I just think someone gets knocked. It's a little, it's just a little. It's not it. It's a little

“snap. It's a little snap of a sectomy. Wait, no. It's the balls go, right? I think it's like a cat, right?”

When you're like, you're there. Do you know? It's balls. It's balls. It's balls, everybody. Thank you. So you're so cool about that. Sorry. Cool is a fucking cucumber this guy. Sorry to bring cucumbers into this conversation. He's like, not an invite. I hate podcasts now. He's like, "My wife. I'm really worried about her." Castrated. Where did I end it on castrated? Yep. Okay. Here's where I would have quit the cults.

Oh, they were also really into the mastery plans. Meaning they drank nothing, but we've all fucking done it. I'm going to do the mastery plans to say lemonade, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup. And we're all like, "I'm drinking even, I did it for one day." Yeah. Not even. I did it from morning and tell my friend was like, "Hey, do you want to go to happy hour?" He was, "Yes." Literally eight. She's burgers and beer that night. I was like, "I don't do this again.

How did that work out the next day?" I mean, my body at that point was a mess. So, like, thank you.

“Because that thing is, I think I did it the whole thing. Yeah. I love a good star.”

I'm a star of her binger. That's my jam. I just want to keep on losing and gaining the same 40 pounds for the rest of my life. I'm good at it. I think I, and gone to have all the sizes of clothes. I'm comfortable every fucking pair of pants I have. Lots of feelings. How do you do full-time master plans? That's like, they just always had diarrhea.

I think broth. Oh, I think you got, the answer is always broth. Oh, man. All right. All right. All right.

It doesn't matter. Listen, call them. I don't look. Look and listen, I call them. Throughout the late 70s and 80s, membership grew. They are described. The people who joined it were,

find themselves through spiritual means, coming face in a sort of cultural mid-views. Mm-hmm.

“Yeah. That's, I said, well, into the mid-80s. So, essentially, they were people who should, like,”

now, would have just gone to Burning Man and like, but back then, they had nothing. You know, how many castrations Burning Man is making sure don't have that. Yeah. It's magical. Yeah. Thank God. Beautiful. Okay. So then, and this is just like a little aside in the story, but I want more info. Fucking Bonnie Nettles, then dies, and I had, she dies. In 1985, and I had like, five, three different articles to find out how she died,

try to cancel it. Like, they don't fucking mention it again. Oh, it's crazy. So even now, he felt like a dairy death. Like, who is this suspicious? No, it's not. I just like want more information about her. Oh, you know what I mean? Sure. I just think she's a bigger part of this. Okay. She just established this guy. I mean, she told him, he was an alien or whatever. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Right, the mid-90s, at this point,

they become super reclusive. They start calling themselves the higher source, and begin recruiting via uploaded internet content. So the fucking internet starts, and you know it's one of those,

“like fucking GEO cities. Yeah, pages. Do we have that scene? Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. Who designed that?”

Fucking, they did. Havens, they did. Someone, that looks like a bad, Super Bowl trophy, doesn't it? Oh, good, black background with green writing. And there's, you know, there's the space theme. Again, they're sharing that over into the website. Yeah. So, uh, okay, I'll read that later. So, uploaded internet. Then they begin to talk about the upcoming. So this is when the Hale Bob comment was going to come down. If you guys are our age, you'll know it was a big fucking crazy

exciting deal. Sure, right? Yeah. Have some people thought the world was going to end? Oh, for sure. They thought it housed the secret to the ultimate salvation and descendants into the kingdom of heaven, aka the closure of heaven's gate. So, um, oh, they, sorry. Don't fucking leave my response. Can we show the closure of heaven's gate? Go show me closure of heaven's gate. Dave. Okay, so they upload videos onto the web page, the beautiful web page, and it gained a

mass following through the internet. And then 96, they moved into a large home. They called the monastery. It was a 9,000 square foot residence in a gated community of upscale homes in Rancho Santa Fe, San Diego. Oh, I thought they changed the name because they were like,

they did, and they knocked the fucking house down later. Well, let me tell you why first. That's for the

best. Right. Okay. I like that everybody in the balcony is from Rancho Santa Fe. I also like that the front row with the first time was super helpful and awesome. Yeah. No, they're good people. Not just screaming. Don't, don't, don't, don't overdo it. Yeah, don't, don't ruin it. Okay. Okay. You're ruining it. Okay. Uh, at this point, heaven's gate, they believed Earth was about to be recycled. Their only chance to survive was to leave it immediately. And they were

against suicide, but they defined suicide in their own content to mean to turn against the next level when it's offered. Um, and they thought human bodies were only vessels. Which, I mean, are they wrong? And uh, so in 96, they purchase alien abduction insurance, which is a fucking thing. Who started that company? I don't know, but he's a genius. That's a genius. That's GICO. Right there. I think that's now GICO. Yep. Um, they changed their name to GICO.

It would cover up to 50 members and would pay out 1 million per person. It covered abduction

impregnation or death by aliens. Oh, prove it. That's all I want to say. prove I'm not, I'm not impregnated by an alien. You don't know. You can't tell. You can't tell. Um, okay. So in March 19th and 2097, Marshall Applewhite taped himself speaking of

“mass suicide and asserted was the only way to evacuate this Earth. Do you remember the video?”

Oh, yeah, I think of a photo of him in the video. The eyes, the eyes, the eyes, the eyes, the eyes. That's wrong. What's wrong, guys? It's show. It's not, if you're ever in Starbucks and that guys behind you, like, or taking your order, if anyone's eyes, if their lids go out past the iris, so they're showing white on top, get the fuck out of there. Danger. As someone who has worked

And they also, when I worked at the health food store, they wouldn't let you scan their groceries,

because they thought that they were going to get poisoned by the government. And so you had a blue blue pop every fucking number in the barcode in and like, if you put it near the scanner, they'd freak the fuck out. It's like, it's real fun. They're the only ones whose brains haven't been taken over by the government. Yeah, they were the only normal ones. They're because they're not okay. Good bless them. Please keep my Brussels sprouts away from that right, my

ma'am. They're not nice, it's the thing. I don't care, do whatever you want, but be nice. Like, they were dicks about it. That's the thing about hippies. There's a lot of bad press about them, like, oh, they're so peaceful. Hippies are fucking rude. Yeah. They're rude. You're selfish. Yeah. Take that to the bank. Okay. All right. Okay. Take themself. Um, and then he persuaded 38 of his call followers to commit suicide so that their souls can board the craft. So, um, people leave

that after their deaths and I'm not done a high flying object, UFO. We take, thank you. Yeah, UFO. We take their souls to another, quote, level of existence above human, which he describes as being both physical and spiritual. They're final meal together. Here's one thing I just couldn't cut out because it was so good. Um, where did you go earlier in your story on Apple? Apple? Apple is not Apple, but it's close. Okay. They're final meal. Like, right before they did this,

they were like excited about it and the waitress or the waiter was like, no, they all seem like

“a really good spirits. But here's the thing, they all ate the same thing. They all shave the same”

way. They all did these things together. Like, like, a cult. Yeah. Um, and so they all ordered the same thing. They went to Marie-Cowenders. Nice. Yes. Loving it, salad bar. Sometimes live piano, good corn. Yeah. We go. I'll tell you what they ate. Okay. They went to Marie-Cowenders and Carlsbad after party. I'll see you guys there. Yes. That Marie, I'm sorry, but that Marie-Cowls, Calenders and Carlsbad is fucking nuts. It's the best one. You go there. You drink white wine,

like you have six white wines? Shably. And then you just eat pie. It's amazing. Well, no, they ate

iced tea. Yon, have a glass of wine. Uh, dinner salads with tomato vinegar dressing. That's something nice. It is nice. And my favorite food, turkey pop pie. I like chicken, but I love pop pie. So I was pretty stoked on that. That was their, their final meal was turkey pop pie. Yeah. Marie-Cowenders and Carlsbad California. Yeah. Yeah. So this pop pie is crispy on the top. And crispy everywhere.

“So we see that's why I got fired. No, I didn't make quick. And they also had cheesecake with blueberries.”

I'm top for dessert. Nice. Like they had dessert. They're like, let's go kill ourselves now. It's amazing. Um, the waiter said no one seemed depressed at all or anything like that. So except for the one guy who was like, I wanted Snickers pie. Um, we have to all do the same thing every time. So the adherents, between the ages of 26 and 72, they died in 72. Yeah. It might have been him. That was that. So they too. They included him. I mean, I can't tell how old he is from that

picture, but not yet. Yeah. So here's what they did. They had three groups. Um, and so each group would

die on a different day and the other ones would take care of them and clean them up and stuff. Oh. So I know it's fucked up. So March 21, 24th, 38 heavens gate members took phenobarbital mixed with apple sauce and washed it down with vodka and then they put plastic bags around their heads after ingesting the mixture to induce a spexiation. Yeah. So they were in that fucking around. Yeah. Right. As you're pulling that bag on your head, you're like, I don't know. I know. Yeah.

“I know. I don't know. It's not mine. It's I remember seeing this on the news when it happened. Yeah.”

And those fucking, well, sorry. I don't want to get to that thing, but I actually got that part in. It's so intense. You cut it in. I cut it in. Okay. So they were found dead in there. Home and March 26, 1997 lying neatly and they're each in their own bank beds. And like imagine seeing this when you're a fucking teenager and on the news, it was so insane. It's just perfect. Everyone's perfect. They're in these perfect bunk beds. They all have their faces and

torses are covered by these perfect square purple cloths, which the people who are still living put over them. Um, they, and they were all dressed in identical black shirts, black sweat pants,

fucking, we didn't have them then, but this meme of fucking back then before me was more of things.

“Yes, the original. And Nike was like, they discontinued the shoes. Yes, they did. And they actually,”

you can sell them for a lot. You can buy them for a shit. They sold, like, someone bought them like a million dollars on eBay. Yeah. Murderina. Yeah. Good call. The thing that upset me without video because it's such a walk through it's creepy videos. It's totally, uh, early Blair Witch. But to see adults in bunk beds is not cool at all. Yeah, it's not that alone. Something wrong. If they were just asleep and the place were like a bunch of adults slept in bunk beds and be like,

"Oh God, let me out of here." Then they took it a step further. They did. Um, they each had a $5 bill and like, and a roll of quarters in their pockets, which was actually what they, when they would leave the house, they wouldn't, you know, they didn't have earthly possessions, but just in case

they needed to use a bus or make a phone call. They would always bring a $5 bill in a roll of quarters.

And someone was like, they did it as kind of a joke, just to like have people find it. It's almost like they had a sense of humor about it because they didn't think they were killing them selves that thought they were, you know, he'll not to space go into the cat that's awful. Spirited in the sky and all that. And they also were super in to Star Trek and just like you are. Just like me who almost said Star Wars. Star Trek? I did like listen. The next generation was

my damn, and I was a kid. It's good. It's so good. It's also very, it's all like pastels. It was very, it was very aesthetically pleasing to watch. And that will eat and I sure had a crush on him. Sure he was wearing a body suit. How could you deny him? Okay. And so they were, they all had patches that said Heaven's Gate, a way team which was a Star Trek fictional universe guide. These people were

funny. They were kind of clever and like cool. So odd. So they had the distinction of being the first

well-known cult and the internet era. And they actually they made money designing websites for people. And that web fucking site is still up and running today by two people who were like cult members who didn't tell themselves. Like they were the remaining two? Yeah. Well, they're feeling more than that. Wow.

“Yes. And I just remember saying, "Didn't they all have shaved heads?" I remember my combining”

that with some other cult. I don't know. Is they were really low-key? Like everything was very. Yeah, they all were the same. I'd color outfits. They were all, you know. Yeah, chill. Yeah. So that's, that's your cult Heaven's Gate, San Diego. You guys. Wow. So good. Okay, we're back. What are the updates for the Heaven's Gate cult, Georgia? There's not many just about some media. The documentary mini series Heaven's Gate, the cult of cults was released

on HBO Max in 2020. And then a film adaptation of this story, which you're going to love this. It's called The Leader. It's released on June 5th. So by the time this comes out, it'll be out. And so Vera, Paminga, plays Bonnie, and none other than Tim Blake Nelson is playing Marshall the head of Heaven's Gate. Yeah. So, yes. The guy from the nut, like one of the best actors ever, of course,

from the Brotherhood. Yes. Like he's so perfect for that. That's incredible. Like no one's a

better actor. He's going to just act that down. He's going to act the fuck out of that. And also Michael, see white. Yeah. So that'll be incredible. Wow. That's going to be what must watch TV? What do they call it? When they time us TV? Yeah, but what's the one where they like make it an appointment? Oh, appointment TV. It's not a appointment. It's calendar TV. Calendar, put it in your calendar. TV, everybody. All right. We're going to wrap it up with a hometown story

from the audience in San Diego. Well, the lean, instant oil change presents wisdom from the road. Summer means wide open spaces in a whole lot of extra miles. Last place you want your engine to give out is halfway to nowhere. Out here, low oil or a weak battery is just an ambush.

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she's pretending she doesn't know but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything and me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of showed me out of the way and said move and he went help the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14, a family secret. On the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Betrayal Weekly is back with brand new stories from threatening

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from underneath me. Oh my god. It was right in front of my face and I didn't even see it. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do we have time Vince? Vince's fan wrap it up. Is it a wrap up time? No, he's he's making insane

“hand gestures that I totally don't under I think it's a yes. Yes, he's going with it. What I don't”

know without me, we're going to have to work at hand gestures that we memorize and learn. I should know what my husband's like wild and saying gestures mean, but I don't yet and I feel like, you know, there's something wrong with her. We need to go to marriage and counter and learn each other, shit. Do I pick her to pick? Oh, I don't know. Like can we take a look at it? I think we're going to do a home time murder. We choose doesn't matter what you do. It's our choice. You can do it whatever you want.

Ultimately, we choose. Well, not let's see. Hold up. Okay. I love when a girl is pointing at her friend.

Yeah, that's always good. Let that girl with there. Blondie? Uh oh. She's drunk or terrified. She's

known. Are you mad that your friend pointed at you? Okay. All right. You're mad at me in the air.

“Hi. What's your name? What's your name? You. Come here. You have to tell us your name.”

Lori. Hi, Lori. Say hi. Say hi to Lori, everybody. Do you want to face that way? Do you love it? We can do it this way. Yeah, do it this way. You can't read your note. Can't read it. No. Or you're just texting? Do that later. Do that later. You have to earn the photo by telling the story. Where are you from? San Diego. Oh, hell yeah. Local girl. I just want you guys to know she has sparkles on her chin. So many sparkly sparkly sparkly. I'm twinkly. Okay. Where? So tell us your hometown.

Take a deep breath. I know. You're a guy. And then go ahead and use that mic. Yeah. You can get shit wrong. Okay. No, I won't get shit wrong. Okay. Good. We do too. Yeah. My heart is beating. Cleofus Prince Jr. The Claremont Killer. Oh, yes. Yes. No, no, tell me. You seem fine. I know you're good.

Seriously, write up here with these motherfuckers. These motherfuckers. Okay, so 1990.

My best friend was murdered by a serial killer. Okay. Well, that's probably why you were having a hard time talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, a little more so. Like there's so many things going through my mind. Oh, honey. Um, it's okay. Sweet baby. Don't come for her. It's your story. Okay. So I want to get it right. January 1990, Tiffany Schultz, murdered

“in a Claremont apartment found by her boyfriend. I believe. January then February,”

Janine Weinhold is her name was murdered. Same apartment buildings. She's about 20 years old. We found out we heard it. We heard it more like, oh my God, there's a fucking serial color in our in San Diego. My best friend at the time was like, oh my God, I'm going to kill by this guy.

And I'm like, you're not going to, what are you talking about? And she always had a thing where

she was afraid that her and her mom were going to get killed. Okay. So yeah, it was weird. March goes by. We're good. Yeah. April, a girl named Holly Tar, who is visiting her brother, same Claremont apartment complex, murdered, stabbed to death by. So then at that point, they figured it was somebody that was they knew. Then then May, East San Diego, a woman named Melissa Keller, who was 38 years old. So these three girls were like in their 20s.

At least Keller, 38 years old, was murdered. They didn't figure out it was the same person, because East San Diego, like whatever. She was murdered. She lived with in the apartment with her daughter. They didn't figure it out. Well, blah, okay. Fast forward. So that's for people, right? Fast forward to September. So in the meantime, he was brutalizing people and stalking people, but not doing anything, whatever. So September 13th Thursday, I get a fucking phone call from

“my other best friends mom that says, you need to sit down. Amber was killed. And I'm like,”

what, what are you talking about? So Amber and I had been friends for a long time and we had this like standing date that we would talk Mondays and Thursdays. It was kind of stupid, whatever we were again. And I had been calling her all day because I had that kind of weird feeling. But anyway, so I was told she was killed. And they obviously knew that it was the same because of whatever. So is this making sense? Yeah, yeah. Is it? Yeah, I'm just like, I'm sorry. I just just to let you know,

just to let you know, as a life performer of almost 20 years, I've never heard an audience this

quite in my life. Like, this is, they just want you to, they want you to share what you have to say and they trust you and they love you. Yeah, you're good. Yeah. Not really a million years. I know. Not really a million years. Okay, so I got the phone call and it was actually actually interesting, sorry, weren't? Hi. Because at the time, it was a police investigation. They were releasing any names. And at the time, my friends stepped out, stepped out, said, no, you can't, we have to tell

these people, these girls, me and some two other people that, you know, we can't find out from the news. Yeah. So we were told, blah, blah, blah. My best friend, Amber, and her mom Pamela Clarke, who was 18 and, and Pam was 42, killed in their home by him. Oh my God. Six people, San Diego. So then, fast forward, we didn't know what the fuck was going on. Who it was, we knew that they, that he stocked his victims, February 1991. He was arrested, San Diego, then let go. And then he went

“back to where he was from. He was originally from Alabama. Oh, sorry. Why was he let go?”

Probably bailed. I'm not really sure what happened. I don't know. I don't know. But he was arrested and the let go. And then he was able to go back to Alabama. So they probably couldn't hold him on anything like they did exactly. They don't know. Exactly. Exactly. So then they figured out from DNA at that point that he was like, the guy, you know what I mean? And then, um, did they go and get him? They extradited him back. Yeah. They had the, um, the whole trial. And then he was convicted

of all six plus rape because he raped one of the girls. Yeah. And plus like a shit ton of burglarys, and all this sort of fucking shit that he did. So he's gone for good. He's been staying quit.

women that he killed. So thank you for talking. No, thank you. You guys amazing. And it's one thing to tell

“a hometown story about a murder, because it happened in your town. It's a totally different thing”

to tell something that happened in your heart. Yeah. That's fucking very difficult. You did a great job. Thank you for sharing that. And it means a lot to us to know that somebody who is so close to the grief and pain of a victim would listen to our podcast. Because that mean we only want to do right. We know that comedy can be very irreverent and inappropriate. Sometimes we're talking

about victims, but we never want anyone to feel like that sort of laughing at. We're just laughing

about talking to each other. So it means a lot to us that you listen to our podcast. Thank you so much. Beautiful. Just goes beautiful. It sounded sarcastic when you said it, but I meant it. No, it seemed like you meant it. Where are you being sarcastic? Yeah. Oh.

“Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this hometown? No updates. Cleopis Prince Jr. remains”

on death row at San Quentin and how brave of Lori to come up on stage and tell that story. I mean, what? Incredible. It's incredible that like she trusted us and our audience of course because

she knew she could tell them. She knew who was in the room with her. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty

beautiful. That's really, that's like the special moments of the show where people who are like, here's my trauma. Let's share it. Yeah. They know they can. Yeah. Okay, so let's do the titles. We of course originally entitled this show live at the Balboa Theatre in San Diego, but based on the show you just heard, naming it today we could call it. Watch the fingers, Georgia yelling at me about the pre-show premiere. Gas Lamping me in the gas light. Oh, dear.

That's like a poem. Buffalo chicken pudding. Oh, delicious. Let's see what about the giant car lovers at D. I love her. Yes. Swinging with aliens. Oh my god. There's so many. So many. Pick one more. One of your classic word plays the two fos. So many good ones. All right. Well, that's it for rewind. Thanks for listening guys. That's right. Let us say goodbye to you now from 2018 in San Diego.

You guys this has been a fucking incredible show. Thank you guys so much for being here.

It's it's very you're such a huge crowd and you've been so awesome. And then also so incredibly respectful and play that was really beautiful. Yeah. And a really cool thing to see. And then incredible feel. And you know what? Stay sexy. And Elvis, do you want to clicky? I'm Jake Brenn. And on the disgraceland podcast I explore the wild lives of rock stars and unbelievable true crime stories from music history. These are the stories you had heard. The kind you'll end up

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