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“What should we make of the Iran War ceasefire announcement and where do things go from here?”
If anything has surprised me over the last 24 hours, it's that Iran agreed to a ceasefire,
and particularly that Iran agreed to a ceasefire after that outrageous message that President Trump put out. I'm Jake Sullivan, and I'm John Finer, and we're the hosts of the long game, a weekly national security podcast. This week, we break down the latest news on Iran and share our net assessment of where things stand for the U.S. The episodes out now search for and follow the long game wherever you get your podcasts.
I would like to say, you have dropped the F1 3x0 on that zero just for the record. Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine, and the box media podcast network on Kara Swisher. Scott is off. Still, I don't know where Scott is. He's just off rambling around. I'm going to see him tonight at the premiere of my new series for CNN. But I brought on another
incredible co-host. He's been ambassador to Japan and the mayor of Chicago. It seems like he's
running for President and it's Ron, and then you all, hey, Ron, how you doing? I'm good. How are you? Good. Good. You have been everywhere. What's happening? Try to tell us what's happening besides lecturing the Democratic Party, which we'll get to in a minute. What are you doing? Well, first of all, I'm listening to the American people. I've been out and talking to them about things like how to make sure they get ahead. Their families get ahead on the community college
plan. But also, you know, like a young man I met in Spartanburg who's going to the community college. He's got a job waiting at GE for 33 an hour. But benefits and he was unemployed. And what they're doing at that community college is exactly what I want to see us do everywhere. Something similar we did at Chicago. Something similar across. But also, you know, listening to the nurse and I, well, we've talked about the she now spends close to 50% of her time arguing with insurance companies.
So, and about how to make sure that people get the health care that they're actually
“hearing the doctor are prescribing. So, that's what I'm all doing. You've always been a public figure,”
but often in the national way, you've been a sort of behind this, and you've been a congressperson, but how do you, how is it different what you're doing here in terms of running for President or trying, or thinking about running for President? Yeah, I mean, it was fair. I mean, I've been a congressman, I've been a mayor of not insignificant. You've been facing in front facing. Yeah, also chairman of a leadership in congress. But that said, I mean, you're evaluating
and one of the things I know about running for office is you got to make sure you're head, you're hurt, you're gut, for all the way. I thought, I'm going to just say that for, I don't need a title. I got more titles. I can auction them off. I'm also, I'm about getting stuff done. Like, take something I'm very proud about. You know this because from our many conversations, we raised our graduation rate from 56 to 83%. 98% of our kids had a plan post-high school,
college, community college, branch of the Armed Forces Education School. I'm about getting stuff done, not about getting another title. And do I think I actually understand what it takes to move this country and help the American people get ahead, and their kids get ahead? And do I have the
“42 to do that? And so, that's what, what I'm looking at, I'm not, I don't need it, as I said,”
titles is for other people. Getting crap done is what we did in Chicago, 20,000 kids went to the college for free. Every child had a plan post-high school on education. We started pre-K in kindergarten. So, I'm into moving stuff. And as I like, we like to say, Chicago, taking the garbage out, getting stuff done. You evaluate that. Right. But you know, this also takes, I jokingly said, when I was recruiting kids for congress. It takes a little level of
a little kind of irrational act because you're, you're jumping over without any nothing below enough in a bus. So, if you're like, Ram, a manual evaluating you as a competitor, what would be your
Biggest asset and your biggest negative from your perspective, if you were li...
wrong guy. Oh, wow. This is good, this, this, I'm getting on the couch and we get to make sure blue cross covers that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, at one level, on the positive side, and here's why it's standard, is putting out ideas from like we get on elementary school and learning and reading and addressing the 50% of our kids can't read, went to Mississippi, how to reform our high school. So, they're less about the home of more about college career planning and community college
and recreational ed just social media. And basically, a wealth of ideas, I am tired of having a debate
about how to restore past and about how to build a future. And that is what I'm like. So, on that point, get an A. I'm the kind of strength and energy that is determined not only for the job, bringing in there, an A game as well. And I also think more importantly, telling people the truth.
“I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear. I'm going to tell you what I think you need to know.”
And we're in this together rather than trying to fight each other all the time. And that's a rare moment for a middle child to say that. On the other side, is you have a campaign which is slightly about, it's not slightly, there's a big debate about generational change. And I've been around. Now, the good news of that is, I think I know the family room. I know what I call the classroom, the break room, the board room, the situation room, and I want the democratic party to get out of
the bathroom. I'm tired of being there. Sure. Right. Is it, I'm just curious. Is it, do you ever worry about, like, you and I are both, I would say difficult people in a good way. It's a seriously. And I'm, I'm saying that about myself, too. Well, let's just, let's do it smoother. We're, we're a quiet case. Right. That's what I mean. That's a quiet case. Do, I mean, because, you know, there's, there's a, there's a, like, ability kind of thing. And I, I like you. But do you think about
that or is that changed? No, you know, uh, no, because, uh, first of all, I know how I am out with,
I'm out about people where I was in La Crosse, Wisconsin in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in Franklin, New Hampshire, or in the, uh, whether it's referred to as South Carolina, it's a corridor of shame and Abbyville, et cetera, all the black counties that were ignored by Columbia, South Carolina. So I know that, on the other hand, I am, I am, I mean, again, this gets back to this is true for you, is true for me, is true for everyone, which is your strengths,
your weakness. I'm direct. I'm fourth right. Nobody walks away from reading a voice. He's subtle. We didn't really know what he said. Uh, no, it's very short. Yeah, that, that, that one level,
“that works at another level. It does. And that, but here's the thing, I'm going to point my”
life. This would be the last phrase. I'm going to tell you what I think has to happen, as I said, in 2024, you didn't have a choice. To be 28, it's going to be basking the robins. And I play on being Rocky Road. Right, Rocky Road. I'm, I'm going to say this is in this moment of, where I'm with my therapist, Miss Dr. Swisher. Yeah, that's me. I am liberated. It's a different place than I been. So, President Obama's Chief of Staff or his mayor or ambassador or whatever. I'm a, this is it. Final
race. I'm going to leave it on the field in the sense of we as a country literally have hunger games. I'm, this is about the future. We've had two presidents who have argued about restoring a past. That's not coming back. And either we're going to build that future, or we're going to talk about America in past tense. And I don't want to do that. And I'm not going to sit here on the sidelines
come and think about it. Yeah. Yeah, you've run out of fucks, but you never had fucks from. So,
that's, that's kind of an interesting situation. This is really interesting. I really emphasize that, you know, a lot of people ask me what you're like. I don't know, maybe it's appealing to people, right? You don't have to be like, you don't have to be likeable, you know, and obviously Trump has turned from he had a charisma to something else. That's really cool. Yeah, I don't, you know, the one thing I know about presidential politics, President Obama was an answer to George Bush,
George Bush was an answer to Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton was an answer to the Reagan Bush years. Not where is Donald Trump. You're interested in clicks. I'm not in that. I'm interested in kids knowing calculus. You're just an in social media post. Great. I'm interested in making sure
“we know our social studies. So, that's, and I think where the puck will be in 2028. Isn't”
about how do you, how do you imitate Donald Trump? It's actually how do you act like an adult. And I think if we're all honest with other selves, I do, look, President Biden, Bill back better, Donald Trump's mega is about restoring something that is not coming back. As soon as we get to figuring out a future and then how to work together to get that done, we'll actually matter. And the reason all the things I happen to think education is the ticket to the middle class and the
Families making it and your kids making it.
getting there with 50% of our kids not able to read at grade level. You're not getting there
when we don't have a plan, how to make sure that we have the electricians, the corridors, the sailors, the nurses, or the chemical engineers, not just people know how to do fast trading on the stock market, but the engineers and know how to actually build something for the future. That to me is more important.
“And if it's not rejected, my ego is not hurt. I'll have done what I think I think is important”
to shake the debate and get us focused on the future in a way that I think the last 20 years we've been refocused on the past. It absolutely can't be anti Donald Trump. It can be a little bit. As you said, I remember you said, let's make the 2026 anti Donald Trump and then we leave him behind in the dustman, like if they win, if the Democrats. Yeah, I mean, 2026 is we've just coming
in the shadows of Wisconsin. It is a referendum on Donald Trump and a rubber stand for Republicans.
2028 is a choice election. And unless we have a compelling story to tell about the future and what we're going to do, we won't win that. We have to have a compelling story. And that is my focus not only for the campaign, but more importantly for the country. And that also, I can tell you from being all over the country, we have to make common cause with the largest party in America, which is independent, non-aligned. Stop talking to ourselves and start talking to the people
that will determine, because in the last three presidential elections, seven states, 700,000 voters have determined who's president of the United States. And if we don't find common cause with quote unquote independent voters, we will continue to be a minority party. And that has been my political take. You know, that was exactly what Tom Tillis just told me in an interview. I do with him last week, same thing. So let's get to the news then. Let's talk about what's happening
right now. And we'll talk a little bit more about the future after that. But as of this recording,
“the Iran, this is an important thing for the future. The Iran War sees fires looking a”
little shaky. There's confusion around the status of the straight of Hormuz. And the disagreement over whether the truth includes Lebanon, Trump announced the two weeks ceasefire on Tuesday night,
two weeks is always his magic number. He backed down from his threat of the whole civilization.
Would die if the deal wasn't reached. Jimmy Kimmel called it the Taco Tuesday of all Taco Tuesday. And then of course, you know, it's, you know, walk back Wednesday essentially. Megan Kelly, I'm going to play. I don't usually do it, because she gives me a headache. Wasn't too happy either. But listen to this. Listen to this. Let's play it. Now, as you can imagine, that post did not go over well with the Iranians or with many Americans.
I mean, I don't know about you, but I am sick of this shit. I'm just, I'm sick of it.
“Can he just behave like a normal human? I mean, honestly, like the president. All right,”
3-8-8, yes, shut up. Fucking shut up about that shit. You don't threaten to wipe out an entire civilization. We're talking about civilians, just casually in a social media post. I don't often agree with Megan, but there you go. I think she's sort of articulating what's happening. Yeah, that'll tell us bringing people together, right? I mean, you'd like my Kelly. They'll lay upside in this. A new, a new level of humanity in you that's been found towards people.
Yeah, it's not humanity. It's like, are you fucking agree with her? And I find common cause with Marjorie Della Green, right? Until I start talking about some other topics. But Pope Leo is also weighing in calling this right against Iranian people truly unacceptable. He's in his, for some reason Trump's gotten in a beef with a Pope, which is terrible. In terms of what happens next, Vice President J.D. Manson's traveling to Pakistan, for peace talks this week and along with Steve
Whitkoff and Jared Kushner. Dumb and Dumber, Trump says that all U.S. military personnel and assets will stay near Iran until real agreement is reached. Talk a little bit about this. You've been in these rooms. It seems like he's not playing chess. He's eating the pieces or something or maybe he's not getting good advice or else he's cognitively has some problem. Yeah, I don't want to just say about the room, but it's clear there isn't a situation room. They've moved it into the
Oval Office and whoever walks in, there's a couple doors. There's four doors. There's one outside. There's one to the, you know, where the assistance lit set. There's one to the ghost to the Roosevelt room. And there's one that also goes to the Perse president's library. They've moved it all in there. There's not a serious analysis. Think about this. You have Secretary of Defense, a rather Vice President of Bances going there. You have Whitkoff and Jared Kushner with no diplomatic
support. Go back when they're meeting in Geneva. There was no experts around the nuclear
Capacity or everything.
UK intel officer who was there said Iran was actually offering us something very serious in
“the sense of concessions to avoid the military competition and neither Kushner or Whitkoff.”
Understood. Understood it. Now, I said this jokingly, but I'm very serious. If they ever do a sequel to dumb and dumb or there's going to be a lot of competition for who gets to play the lead in this administration. Right. Right. Now, the other pieces and you've led on this and we're talking about what Megan Kelly said, look, there's a lot of different roles to the president. There is the moral voice of the Presidency when the challenge your goes down, you know, bringing
the country or 9/11 like President Bush. There is the commander in chief, which is the most solemn position of the president of the United States. The president, the commander in chief Roosevelt understood it when he said America would be the arsenal of democracy. Lincoln understood it at the beginning of the war. He understood it midway when he did the emancipation
“proclamation changing the definition of the war. We have a president in the United States who is asked”
50 plus thousand servicemen in women, not counting all the other pieces that are supporting those 50,000 in front line, to achieve a mission of national security importance for the United States. And he's talking about obliterating a civilization. You owe the troops a definition of why,
you owe the servicemen and the country, you owe the servicemen. Here's what victory will look like
so we've accomplished our goals. And here's how it's going to end. And this is how we know we have succeeded in one and two. None of that by the commander in chief has been accomplished. And so when you say to me, they have been declaring victory over and over. But this is what I say. But here step back. Underneath what you just said, you know and everybody else in the world knows except for people is 1600 Pennsylvania. Nobody believes our president. Now this has been overused as an
anecdote. When Steve is in Goesie's seed to go all during the Cuban missile crisis, he's about to take photos out. The Gauss says, I have the word of the president in the United States. I don't need those photos. Nobody would do that here. Everybody is looking at our keystone cops at 1600 Pennsylvania. They know a president in the United States who literally truth is the most flexible thing he's ever seen. He doesn't believe in truth. He believes in spin. And so this is the degradation of the word,
the credibility and the mantle of the president of the president of the United States and more importantly the United States of America. Because this is a baton that gets painted off. So at every level, not only did they start not knowing that they actually had accomplished something, they were too foolish and stupid and arrogant to know that. Be they go into a war without clear objectives. And then they literally talk about a victory here. Now I have, I've thought about the,
you know, there's two points I would make right now. Because they went into a war to obliterate, to digger date, whatever word you want to use, the nuclear capacity of I read. They already had a bl- even till us was like, we obliterated it. Then we obliterated again. And then now we're going to obliterate it. He was even making fun of it. But I ran this cover. They have a
nuclear option called the straight of her moves. So first and foremost, to clarify, let's see,
either all ships get out or no ships get out. That would cut off I ran the economic lifeline to China. And we would put pressure on both of them. Two, medium term. The United Nations International Meritime Group would run the straight of her moves in the sense of the fee that would be split between Iran, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, all the countries affected. So they don't collect it. The United Nations and International Association does. And it's split because the war affected
both parties, not one party. Third, and then an allow a ran to control the straight of her moves, which is an international body of water body. Long-term, take the Abraham Accords for the United States as a part of tube and do three things and use it, which doubles down on America as a permanent power in that part of the world, which is the Iran's goal, which is to get us out, to build pipelines for Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE, and other countries in that region out to the
straight of her moves to the Red Sea or to Oman Gulf, the Gulf of Oman. That would have a short-term, medium-term long-term plan and would also reinforce that the Abraham Accords of the United States has is the vehicle for our Gulf allies and countries that don't become now
“subjugated to Iran's blackmail and corroboration. To me, that is the most important. Now,”
I don't think, in fact, I can tell you this, since I haven't seen a single idea,
Except for the presence as well.
president of the United States, a commander in chief, a leader of the free world, a person with a
“military instrument city has just said the other party, their term sheet is the term sheet. We're”
going to work off of everybody in the corner of the art of the deal. You don't use the other sites in terms of-- No, you do not. So at every level, I find this incredibly dangerous reckless. Right. What's occurring here? Because his own people are like, he doesn't know. Like, what was really interesting about the New York Times faces, they're all running for the hills, because they're all telling them wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was him. They're pointing fingers
at him directly, not at or at BB Netanyahu, but they're certainly trying to say, "I thought it was physical." That's obviously from the head of the CIA. I thought it was wrong, Susie Wiles, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, no, they're going to let one guy where the, the guy with the
dance camp gets to keep the dance camp at the end of this process. Here's what I would say to you,
is there are four tools in your national security toolbox, military power, economic state craft, political persuasion, and cultural attraction, and you will assemble them differently in different parts of the world in different areas, et cetera. Somewhere in the second term, now the present degraded the first three, but in the second term, I suppose to the first term, he's decided military
“power is the most-- not only the most important tool, the tool is most comfortable, which was”
not true in the first term. He is degraded through tariffs, he's degraded through belittering our NATO allies and not consulting them, and the brand of America from a cultural standpoint. So all three of the four tools have been totally drained of any capacity, and a person who was
risk-averse in the first term is now reduced America's national security to a single tool
and made it to toolbox. And what is dangerous about that is, obviously, the servicemen and women are becoming a literally a play toy for the transgender chief, but no respect for what he's asking of them, who have volunteered to serve the national interests of the country. And more importantly, the other tools are after-fing at this very time, and we economically, politically, cultures you can see the way he's banging on a NATO are more isolated than leading.
You can't be a leader if nobody is following. That was the casualty here. Our NATO allies, the our Gulf allies, and our Asian allies are not following the United States. They're distancing themselves. No, they're not. So what happens then, in that case, what happens next? Because his own people are distancing themselves, also speaking of leaders, those all those leaks were fast. Well, watch what he does. Now, he's going to blame somebody. He's now going to fix it. The next thing
is who he tries to blame. And that's kind of a palace coup type of palace, you know, intrigue game. I'm into not that. And I understand the lore of that. My thing is, what do we do to take a
“generational approach to restore the trust credibility and the capacity of this country?”
How can we, with him in the sea, he's in the sea? And this is my argument, both the Democrats, but also Republicans as a country. We're Americans. There's no reset button either as a loot desk. I tried to lay out a different scenario by different parts of the world. How do you assemble these different tools into different kind of stacking orders of priority? There's no reset. So when when when Prime Minister, Carnegie in Canada said, this is a rupture,
you're not getting super glue in real assembling. We have to earn not only the trust. We have to build our strengths that have been after things. Where is the political uh, Capaure? Where's the cultural persuasion? How do we recreate the economic state craft? We're again, the American economy is central to the world, not size 9. And I do think the last 25 years, when you look at this war, if you look at COVID,
you look at different things that have happened in the last 25 years. This will be the era of supply chain. And we'll be known as the era of supply chain. You took oil, take ammonia, take the petrochemicals of the region. You take what happened during COVID, medical gear, etc. and the pharmaceutical products to deal with the vaccines. This is the era of supply chains, little things that hold the entire, whether it's the straight-over moves, or whether it's the
products coming out of the straight-over moves, or whether it's medical supplies or in vaccines, little things take the entire global economy to a halt and don't move. I don't know. I mean, I said this the other day and I'll just repeat this. You have two countries with no needy, but they control both waterways. You crane and Iran. Without an avi. We have a theory
In America's national security being able to fight two wars simultaneously.
to rewrite it to be able to fight two different wars simultaneously, one conventional, and one unconventional. That said, he's still president for a long time. Even you know,
“you've got maybe to the mid-turns for he loses a lot of power, or three more years. What happened?”
What from your, if you had to guess what happens next? Because they're not, these people look like they're not going to keep, you have Megan Kelly saying, fuck you, you have people in the cabinet, clearly leaking saying, not us. Something's got to give or does it? I mean, someone did stop Nixon, right? Someone walked up to Pennsylvania. Well, yeah, the public is there. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to look at it and listen to the podcast with Senator Tillis.
But you know, this is a criticism. You were the key vote for Hagset becoming Secretary of Defense. I'm sorry. Well, you know, okay, you don't have to, but the fact is you have a person with a drinking problem and other types of problems, who's now the head of a military, who's involved right now in a military political purge of the military. The greatest turnaround in American history was the Armed Forces post Vietnam. I've worked with the, you're the head of the 7th
fleet head of Indo-Pacum. These are incredible men and women. Amy and I, I just want to side note,
we do an ROTC scholarship named after Lisa Franchetti, the former CNN or the Navy. She's an incredible capacity. Byered out of political retribution. This is stuff you're reading China. Right. And Senator Tillis, who obviously has found his conscience, and that's good. But you confirmed this person that you knew in your gut was not right. Now, I want to say one thing. When I was Chief of Staff, I was an employee. When I was senior advisor to President
Clinton, I was an employee. I mean, times I walked into the overall office daily and said, no, and here's a consequence of you. You're a U.S. Senator. You're independently elected. You're independently elected congressman. You have your own voting card. You have your own been for security. What can't do we? Do you imagine they'll do it? Are they just waiting for the end of it? I think what's going to happen is the United States Congress is going to flip the Senate's 5050. And you're
going to finally have the third branch of government that is basically in deep freeze for the last two
years. I said this once privately good. But that's a couple months ago. Right. That's yes. I said this privately to a Republican Senator. I said, you're going to want a Democratic President. He goes, oh, no, no. I said, yeah, the reason is you put your manhood in a lock box and you're
“finally going to take it out in about three years from now. That's what's going to happen. You,”
I can't believe these individuals who know better and say privately under clicked force. Of course. And what will happen is elections have is to quote my good friend and my former boss president, Obama, elections have consequences. Yes, we got X months to November. Republicans is in here. Here, the sound of the footbeat coming. You saw that it was nonsense. You're going to see it in Indiana, saw it in North Carolina the other day. You saw it in Georgia.
And the fact is you're going to have the third branch of government. Co-equal branch. Find the exert its responsibility and hold this administration accountable. Yeah, you are so, you are so innocent. It's just a matter of time. We're going to move on with this. But I would agree with you. There's suddenly appearing on my podcast. So, you know what I mean? Like suddenly, they're like, hey, hey, girl. I wanted, I just so frustrated. Take a look at the Senate and Louisiana. You confirmed
a guy for health and human services, Kennedy. You, as a doctor, you know, was wrong. The present turns around flips on you. And you try to do that to encourage favor or, you know, bring favor to yourself. And he's going to mess with your real action. And you knew Kennedy was not right. Standard and kill us. I'm glad he's speaking up. I'm glad he found his voice. But when your vote was contacted, he decided to use that side of those somewhere now. Maybe you're making up the
lost time. But the rest of us, most importantly, the men of women in a uniform, have to deal with a
secretary of defense who is never qualified for that job. And so now for, therefore, do it again.
I mean, he certainly did the, and I hate to use the term kill shot to know him, but he did. He did it. And some people were like, it's too late. I'm like, but he did it. So he has to keep doing it is what
“you're saying. No, I mean, yes. Yes. Yes. And you, and you, not only have to say that, you have to”
work with others to finally get your vote and your voice to kind of line your vote with not where your voice is or your conscience. Yeah, reach down and grab it. Anyway, okay, Ron, let's go on a quick break. We come back. Democrats, keep the momentum going with another string of election wins. For the last 10 years, everything in American politics has basically revolved around one man. And as a political journalist, who came of age during Donald Trump's rise in 2016,
I've had a front row seat. I am officially running for president of the United States. It's going to be only America first America conference thousands of supporters of President Trump
Storm the US Capitol building.
Trump? That's the question I'm going to ask in our new show from box. The idea of like a post Trump for a lot of exactly Trump focused show can exist because he's not really driving any agenda items.
“It's really does feel like so reactive. You know, I think this around thing is also going to cause”
a big split in the GOP. So far, it doesn't among like people who say their mug of voters are still
with Trump. But like for the first time, you see on a major issue, open opposition from the start
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That's true. You can subscribe to the Curiosity Shop on YouTube or follow in your favorite podcast app to automatically receive new episodes every Thursday. Ron, we're back. Democrats notched their biggest shift yet in the house special election, dramatically narrowing the gap in George's 14th. Trump carried the district by 37 points in 2024, but even in the race, the margin trying to round 12 points. A major swing, even though the
Republicans took the win. Democrats also expanded their majority on Wisconsin's Supreme Court.
“Very significant from 43 to 5 to 2. And that'll last for a decade, I think, for something like that,”
or a very long time. You recently wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal titled How Democrats can use their coming majority. You say investigations of Trump won't satisfy voters and that energy we better spent on a positive agenda. You and I have talked about this. Talk about, you know, your ideal plan. You just sort of vaguely mentioned it up to the mid-terms. And assuming they have a strong showing without any nonsense from Trump or any hijinks or whatever he's trying to do,
but it doesn't seem like it's going to work. In recent days, over 70 lawmakers have said Trump's cabinet needs to invoke the 25th amendment. He's supposed to be in a coma, apparently, for that, but we'll see. I don't know, I don't see them doing that. They can hardly speak up in any way. Talk about the distraction. Because one of the things is if you spend all your time investigating and certain people, by the way, should be investigated for corruption,
Kristinaum, Cori Lewandowski, etc. As I said in that piece, I said, there's a difference between corruption and dishonesty. I'm for absolute investigation of all the corruption. This is Croni Capitalism run a month. People trading on insight information, they have normalized corruption, a hundred percent of that. You cross the line when it's all about retribution,
“vindication, and not addressing what I think is not only the affirmative agenda, but I do believe”
their corruption. I've said it two years ago. That's the backdrop. So I'm a hundred percent for what a Kristinaum do at DHS. I'm a hundred percent for everything the inspector generals have reported, and all the type of corruption, both inside outside members of families. We can't actually call it a hundred percent for that. Don't get caught in a game of politics or reputation within the people go as just more Washington. Now, on the affirmative, I think on the affirmative,
and this was part of that piece. If you go back to the presidentials of both President
Clinton and President Obama, first terms, O8 and 1992, what George Mitchell does in 1990,
forcing President Bush to raise taxes and break his pledge on read my lips, and what we've did in forcing Bush to veto the children's health insurance initiative in 2007. Stats up 1992 Bill Clinton and sets up President Obama in 2008, 2027. I look at the kind of landscape of all the issues for minimum wage to predictive markets to health care, cost control, and/or a ratepayers bill of rights. I land a number of ideas in that piece. Now, a part of this
politically is determining you have the Senate or not, is get a bill on the desk that one creates
Divisions within the Republican Party, and to either force the president, lik...
or signs a bill, or vetoes a bill, like President Bush does in 2007 on children's health insurance
program that creates divisions inside the Republican Party, and advance your agenda that you're ready to take and secure the future. So I do think, government let's just fast forward, Democrats win both the House and the Senate. What they do in 2027 will be this determinative is who we nominate in 2028. My view, this is mine, is go to those predictive markets and put a piece of bill legislation on the president's desk that ban all members, Congress, Senate, executive branch,
judicial branch, staff, family from participating in the predictive markets, and that there's a division of the criminal justice, the counties and polymarkets. Yeah, and the reason is
and first of all, all that can be done by executive board. Person will not do it because
his two sons are investors in it, and you drive right there because the Republicans are there, independent voters are there, the president of the United States is not there, and I would take that bill and run it right down through one end of Pennsylvania, and put it on his desk, because everybody and I can tell you this from LaCrosse, Wisconsin, to Franklin, New Hampshire, to Abbeyville's partner, everybody in their gut knows that these predictive markets are being
played and manipulated with anxiety information, and yes, and people, other people are putting their lives at risk, while a little neppo babies in Palm Beach are making money. Most importantly, down junior and the rest of the family and Latinx kids and with-offs kids, put it on his desk, make him pick his wealth, or the American people's democracy, and pull the whole economic life away.
“And that's what I mean, you asked me, that's what I would do because he's going to be doing.”
You were talking about things that you wish would happen probably won't pass, you should do like all like $25 minimum, and whatever it happens to be, it doesn't have to win. You just have to make a stance as what you're talking about, right? Well, in 1990, in 1990, President Bush signs the bill actually does help reduce the deficit, but it creates a path you can and a Republican revolt. And 20 Republican senators support that, but the other 25 do not. In 2007, when we do
the children's health insurance bill, President Bush 43 vetoes it, but 60 Republicans in the House and Senate align themselves with Democrat. What brings us together? What divides the other side and whether it's signing or vetoing, as I would say, to quote that great philosopher, when you get to a fork in the road, take it, and that's what you want to do to the Republicans. Right, and you want to constantly be saying, what you're for, and that says what you're for,
and even if you fail, right? Says what you're for, who you're going to fight for,
“and what the other side is willing to do, and I think this president is running a crony capitalist”
system. It's from everywhere, it's how much you pay in how much he gets, and what you want to do is drive your tar right to that division point inside the Republican Party. And the Republicans, no, they're not in on this prediction market and says some financial gain the way the Trump kids are, and the president, and I would also talk to sign a executive order. Yeah, do something like that. Go for it, Mr. President. You sign all these other executive orders. The meaning is,
there's one that you can do, and he won't do it, and so drive right there. What do you make of these shifts in the Democrats that don't rather well all over the place, right, even including in Palm Beach, speaking in Palm Beach, no matter what, because they now have a Democrat. I actually think one thing that slightly didn't get the coverage,
I mean, I went up to Wisconsin six weeks ago for the Supreme Court for Rebecca Cook and the third
district southwest corner. In Wisconsin, battleground state, personal, the Supreme Court can't does better than any of the other two from a year ago. The redemocrats at Wisconsin,
“win the important county outside of Milwaukee that's the Republican Basics counters the Milwaukee”
vote. We now have the county execress. The Supreme Court nominee in the third congressional district, the southwest corner where La Crosse's, et cetera, they're run kind, used to represent and is a Republican there, that Trump won. The Supreme Court Democrat, not Democratic, but the progressive county takes 57% Donald Trump won that with overwhelming amount. That tells you, if you win that seat, you're winning the majority. So when you look at Wisconsin at the top,
all the way down and all the races between, it's a unbelievable victory and it says the same thing
You're seeing.
turnout depressed. The election in North Carolina, when Donald Trump endorsed the state,
Senate majority leader, the most powerful Republican, and he loses the Republican primary. That was
more important than Mara Lago. I get the value of Mara Lago. Yeah, it's kind of just because of the fact that he doesn't have power over the Republican primary voters. That's you want to call liberation day. That's liberation day. So all you Republican Congressman and senators, Senator Tillis, that you're scared of your shadow for the last four years and four years ago, you don't have to be scared of your shadow. What about Texas obviously? Well, let me see now, in the Senate in Texas,
I think that you have a Republican primary that ends up as a matter of who wins in one level.
“They're going to both be a weakened candidate for the general election. That's what I think,”
you know, and I happen to one thing I would also say to my fellow Democrats, when you look at the
health care for President Obama, for the IRA, the climate, the climate bill under President Biden, under the health care bill, Senator Nelson from Nebraska, helps us pass that into six years vote. And the Senator from West Virginia helps pass the IRA. If you don't win in purple to red states as a Democrat, we're not going to get the type of economic and political legislation we want. The two most significant pieces of legislation, Democrats passed in the last 20 years.
They clinched the vote with a Senator from a state that is not quote unquote safe blue. So winning in Ohio, winning in North Carolina, winning in Texas, winning in Iowa, winning in places, Democrats have not presidentially won. It's how you secure the type of legislation and the majority you need.
“Yeah, I think it's really interesting. And of course, I just met Telabriek. I call him the baby Jesus.”
Anyway, one of the things, of course, look, Democrats are not slathering self-inperfection. Right now, Trump waited into the California governor's race this week by endorsing former Fox News host, Steve Hilton, who we know very well, actually. Mostly, as a husband of someone I know very well, but I actually know Steve. My favorite Steve thing is he was lecturing me on populism and the elites when he was staying at the Bell Air Hotel. I was like, I can't afford this fucking place.
I'm friends. Like, and you're telling me about, like, elites. Anyway, he's a funny guy, actually. There might be good news for Democrats. The Trump backing there. But Democrats have been worrying about a doomsday scenario with the state's jungle primary. And people don't know. There's not primers who at the top two are. If the two GOP candidates Hilton and Sheriff Chad Bianco and exactly what he sounds like. First and second in the primary, Democrats would be locked
out in the general election. It's a concern. And there's eight Democrats in the race with no clear front money. But by consolidating, you put support behind Hilton, Trump may have helped
produce the chances. And I've noticed both Jane von and Rokan are backing the billion air,
which is unusual Tom Stier, which is fine. Like, all the left went crazy. But I'm like, well, he's different. He's not Mark Zuckerberg. Let me just be clear. But that said, there's all kinds of issues there with what's happening there. And you've got a number of candidates. Each have a little chunk. It's not like one has the biggest chunk. So I'm sitting there.
“I'm like, where's Nancy Pelosi Hittenheads? Or where's Newsome? Or what's what is happening there?”
And I'm sure you spoke into them. If you're running the Democrat party, what's happening in the Democratic Party? Yes. What has to happen there in order to knock people out? They don't seem to be leaving any of them. It looks like. Yeah, I don't, you know, California's not Chicago. Right. Right. We were fighting something wrong with their signatures and not some of them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not getting on the ballot on this one.
You want another race? That's everything. You know, I don't, you know, I have no idea what I think the leadership of the party has stood back. I part of me wonders whether Kamala Harris thinks again, like, maybe I made a mistake. I should have gone for that office, etc. Give him when you look at the field. I think this is a jump ball. You've got to, I look at it from a distance, but four candidates all kind of hovering within two points for each other. And so my guess is the leadership of the
party does want to put their thumb on the scale, prefer looking like they don't have the leadership that they thought they did. So what happens? It could be, is that a bad thing for me? I do buy the
Conventional wisdom that the president's endorsement of Mr.
that will bear out. And what happens eventually, there's a cool, cool lesson. That trigger hasn't
happened yet, but I instinctually believe it will happen. Well, how the papers endorse what something will happen that will trip, that will be a conversion, that will convert the moment. It'll be a catalytic conversion of the moment. And then it'll be a cool lesson around a singular or two candidates that catapult to the front of the class. Right now, they're kind of bunched together. Possibly, it's really interesting. Do you remember the movie "Face Off" where they're all pointing guns at each
“other? That's what it feels like. Someone's got to put the gun down. And then the pigeons fly.”
It's a little early for that, but you'll get that. You'll get that. You'll get, is there any candidate you think will emerge of all those candidates? I'm not close enough to that race to, I mean, back in my head, it will be a Democrat. And you know, there's 90% of them agree on the same thing, so it won't matter. Now, I could, you know, obviously this is a electoral politics, so it could be totally wrong. But so far, I believe that there will be a coalescing at the
very end that leads around one if not two candidates and the rest will really be seen as a wasted vote. But one good news is the president's endorsement is going to force the Democrats to kind of shape up real quickly. ship up real quickly. Interesting. It's a real, it's a real, it's a real wrinkle. Song Steve is like, are they kidding me? But my thing, my thing is, look, take Iowa and take Ohio. And then take Florida in Georgia. And I'll tell you why on those is, Ohio, the Democratic nominee for
governor, which was in Governor DeWine's public health official. She's ahead. In Iowa, you have an open Senate also an open governor. And the state auditor in Iowa is in a very strong position, been elected twice the rate of statewide for the governor's race.
“And we're going to have a pretty competitive nominee, I think, for the Senate. And I think what's”
happening, because of what the president did to the rural economy, the corn, soybean, wheat, farmers. They're going out of business. And then you're going on a business, the rural economy is really hurting, this war is really touched them down, fertilizers, etc. You're going to see something in the Midwest, in the prairie states that's going to come and bite the Republicans right where they need to be bitten and kicked in. Then you go down to Georgia and Florida. In both cases,
in the Democratic primary, our former Republican elected officials who decided to Republican party under Donald Trump's not their home anymore, the Democrats are.
Whether they get out of the primary or not, I'm not sure, but there is a 10 to 12 percent of
Republican. And I've also seen this going all over the country who don't identify with Donald Trump, not sure about the Democrats. They say way too left of them culturally politically economically, but you have a fraction of what are we, I call traditional Republicans that rather than a look at this election or the future elections is transactional. We should look as transformational. They have chosen those two candidates in Florida and in Georgia to see themselves and their future
politically more at home with the Democratic party than a Republicans. At least that helps you to begin. Well, that is the first steps towards a realignment of coalitions. And we as a party have to look at these elections. And I'll give you one analysis. Okay. In 2020, you had what I call Joe Biden Republicans. And the real question was, were we going to go over with the idea
“of making that transformational or transactional? And one of the mistakes I think made in the Biden”
administration was rather than trying to unite the country a lot of the time was spent trying to unite the party. And we lost the bigger narrative in that process. Right. That's a very fair point. I'm going to move on to some business stuff. Lots going on in this area of AI, something that you've written about a lot. And you and I have talked about social media and everything else. Now, in this case, Elon Musk wants to have open AIC, EO, and Sam Altman, and President
Greg Brockman removed from the company as part of a case claim in the company to see them to
donating $38 million. I was there when that happened actually. Meanwhile, open AIC sent a letter
to the California and Delaware AG's alleging, Musk has been working to undermine open AI through various attacks, including my working with Mark Zuckerberg. I mean, this is true. Surgery selection begins in this high-profile trial where the tech is sort of eating each other. Like, it's a really interesting time. And while we're talking about AI, hopefulness among AM on young people has dropped 18% from 27% last year. You're welcome every tech. I'm glad to help it do that. Almost a third
Of young adults say AI made them feel angry.
SpaceX, IPO last week's speculation is growing about a merger with Tesla. I've been saying this
would happen. Let's listen to a clip from last April. It looks like he's not interested in making
“cars anymore, or he's making other things. He wants to shift Tesla. And I think he's going to merge”
X-A-I, X, and this together in a big one. Yeah. Yeah, I had already predicted that he would put Twitter into Grock, and then they would put it into SpaceX. And it made sense for a lot of things. So that was a meaningful roll-up. Yeah, and actually there's a story and writers are going to possibly make a cheaper EV, which he should have done four years ago, but that's another issue. That's the only answer for Tesla given how numbers are declining. He has to either have a great
car, or he has, which he's not seemingly interested in, a really great car that sort of wins everything, or he has to merge them all together. And then he can hide the losses, pretty easily, in this spectacular IPO that's going to happen with SpaceX. So, which is hugely overvalued, but that's all right, people are going to buy into it. So talk a little bit about what's happening here in AI, because there's a whole shift of people, not trusting these people, you know,
it's sort of like a pox on all their houses, which side do you want to pick, Altman, or Musk, or these people, or David Sachs, who's like pushing the president, even as the numbers are declining.
“I think there's three categories that I kind of take back from this week. One is the tech”
bros all basically urinating on each other's leg, but telling you the other guy it's raining
outside. And America's aren't going to stand for it, sit on the sidelines, literally. Well, Altman and Dario and Alamos all play and fight with each other, like little kids in the sandbox with and out adult supervision. The second is both open AI and and throw up it with whole product, because it's too risky. Dangerous, right? I was going to mention that too. These are these are new products that they have coming that they're worried about security issues, and now they brought
a coalition together to try to patch things, but quite dangerous, but go ahead. And then the third thing, which is whether forget the motivation, if you say Sam Alman puts out a kind of updated AI
“new deal, social contract, to compete in my, but again, I shouldn't do that because I said don't”
put aside the motivation. With Dario, on his view, which is, this is going to be so disruptive. We have to figure out not only the product and the industry, but also how we've included the
American people in this. So it's a net win rather than three guys win in 333 million lose.
Those three boxes are they're all overlapping. Now I step back also as a former mayor and Chief of Staff to a president in massive changing times. The government is set up to set up a regulation weight 30 years to see if it were, which is an industrial model, and you're in the post-analogue post-digital into something totally different. And I do think when you look at Dario and open AI deciding not to put a product out, forget the boys after you're like boys. They are baking
for oversight and rules and they're making it up as they go. The government needs industry leaders, academics and commerce in real time to be making decisions in real way. We can't rely on two CEOs, social conscious to say I'm withholding a product because it's dangerous. While I appreciate that they did that, that is not how this is going to work. So we're going to have to have a board that is required to update its rules and rags and oversight in real time with an industry that's
changing at a pace the government's not used to. There's going to have to be principles that guide it. Now is the threat from China real? I'm just saying it's real. From a competitive standpoint, which I find one side note, we're country with a lot of social, whether you think it should be expanding social insurance, our country is fearful from AI. China has none of the social infrastructure underneath it. So if you fail to get support, healthcare, unemployment, etc. And yet they're hugely
optimistic about AI. The countries are in different places given the support that the public sector and I find that just as a student-- Well, they do a lot more monitoring of it. The government does much more monitoring than we do. But one of the confidence that somebody's going to control and that you're not going to be left out on the sidelines. So to me, we're going to have to have a
Real-- and I do think this.
contract, Darios view that philanthropic, that we need a kind of a new agreement, which is the difference between capital versus labor, but how AI will benefit-- what I say democratize the benefits of AI to more people from both skills, but also jobs, and economic opportunity. If you don't, the American people are going to call data centers, you know, rebel, rebel, rebel, and again, that it's just minor compared to what's going to happen. And the government's going to have to
step in and do this from an executive branch standpoint. But the tech-- the tech people are still aside from those guys. Like David's Act was like, how dare you do this? This is our greatest
“thing and it's pushing Trump. Even as this is happening and he's been integral to what I think”
is been a disaster for the tech industry in terms of their imagery, right? They look like villains now. They're villains now. They're the villains. And young people get it. I mean, their villains and they're actually also-- they want to take all the benefit and you're just going to live in their world. Now, I'm sorry, that's not how a democratic capital system works. There is real opportunity-- look, given the competitiveness with China. This is going to be one like fusion,
like quantum computing, et cetera, like life sciences, one of the dominant technologies in the
future, but it's not going to be three winners and 3303 million losers. That's right. That's
not how we're keeping score. And in the end of the day, like everywhere else, industry likes regulation because it sets rules, guidelines, and principles. Correct. When you go back to what's happening, like insider training, that-- for the fact that businesses are not calling that out,
“this is going to come back to bite you right in the butt. That's what I said. I, you know, it's”
interesting when I saw those statistics and then David's actually hammering on about it. I was like, you know, David's set the fuck down because the American people don't like what you're doing. So, and Trump is stupid, don't listen. I would like to say, what? You have dropped the F bomb three times, and I'm at zero just for the rest. I'm sorry. I know. I know. I know. You can do it any time.
That's one of your others thing. That's all your elders and brothers thing. You will never find
me ever saying it publicly. I know. I know. I know. You don't. I'm just telling you. That's your brother. I have a tape of him yelling and like-- Because I know, even though my mother, even though my mother is deaf, she'll hear it and come and grab me. I have a voice number. I have a voice number. I have a voice number. I have a brother saying cares for sure. Fuck you. So, I'm going to keep it for the rest of my life. I'm making you think you're making it. I was probably a term of
“endearing it. It was. It was. It was. It's because he did bite me to some party. Anyway, I don't want”
to go to his party, so it doesn't matter. But happy birthday. All right, Ron, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about RFK getting into the podcast game. How is Trump psychology having an impact on the great power conflict? There were folks who for years
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the whole story of the Echo and how Amazon managed to get it right and still kind of missed the future. That's version history on YouTube and wherever you get podcasts. Ron, we're back with just one more quick story. I regret to inform you that RFK Jr is launching a podcast. You know it's trouble now. The pod will focus on telling the truth especially when it's uncomfortable and confronting the spiritual malaise. Let's watch a clip of the
announcement. I guess it's not quite as bad as his strange porn movie with Kid Rock, but let's go. If we want a healthy nation, we have to confront the lies that have made us spiritually morally and physically sick. The time for half measures now over. We're launching a new era of radical transparency and government here at HHS. I hope you'll join us in our mission to make America healthy again. Oh my goodness. And of course just as there is news in the Washington Post that
they're trying to suppress the CDC report that vaccines are good for you. Gov. vaccine. So just
Transparent Bobby.
Yeah. So is he just preparing for his next career when he gets bounced or what what is happening?
“And I hope are you co-hosting his podcast now? First of all, two things. One is he's preparing”
that, but it's also to airbrush his past. He has been an absolute horrible secretary of health and use services and every measure outside of what's happened with OBS and he has nothing to do with it. Yeah, best friend to measles is what I call him best friend to measles. Yes, measles the lack of confidence in the American CDC are other types of our life sciences, our capacities, our healthcare cost, everything that he has touched in the great tradition of this administration
is broken. It needed repair, it needed to be strengthened. And across the board, you cannot walk from a single agency or department and he's been the kind of a point of the spirit. It's the largest domestic agency in the United States, health and human services. And he has made a mess of it. And the people who's appointed have made a mess of it from CDC to NIH to a Medicare Medicaid.
“And they have done nothing to measurably improve the health of the American people. And”
I will say having dealt with this is both chief staff and more importantly, when I help us say ACA or President Clinton's children's health insurance, but as mayor of the city of Chicago, 8% of our workforce was driving 70% of our healthcare costs around chronic illnesses, our obesity, etc. He could have focused on something that actually moved the needle in both dropping healthcare costs and improving public health. And rather than bring the cut together,
like everything in this administration, never lose an opportunity to divide Americans. They have
from the President to his cabinet, have found multiple opportunities to divide people and literally repressed examples where they could actually bring people together of different political views to work on a common issue. And shame on doctors and the Senate who voted for him, I mean, not just Republican. Well, that gets back to, you know, it's a Senator Cassidy. He's going to pay the price, like Senator Tillis, for having basically taking your conscience to put in a lockbox.
When the vote came, and you knew what was right, you took the politically expedient case, and I don't want to draw this to myself, but since I'm on, I don't draw it to myself. I can't tell you how many kinds of things you're talking to Clinton's office or President Obama's office? Oh, well, I said, you're out of your mind. If you do this, this is the price. I'm going to let you lay it out to you. You'll have a debate about it. They understand the consequence of this. I was an employee
get out of here. This, you're an independent U.S. Senator. I was a Congresswoman. You got elected. You have a responsibility to what the trust man will give. And then I'll tell you what Tillis told me, you know, what a martyr is. He's dead. Like he was, he was like, you can't, you can't operate from a position of dead. And that, I still was like, I don't care. Be dead then. You know what? I mean, because you'll have inspired someone else. Yeah, well, that, he may say that politically. He may say
that politically. But that vote gave the license to a guy to do a political pledge or the greatest military forces country did, the greatest turnaround of this country did. I've worked with these men and women at all levels. The amount of dedication, the amount of understanding of politics, culture, history, working diplomatically, working militarily, access doesn't hold a candle any of the people. The same thing with our case. So you won't be listening to his podcast in other words.
Anyway, no. All right, one more quick break will be back for predictions. Okay, Rob. Let's hear prediction. There's so many things. Keep it brief. We got to just a little time on a play, one thing at the end, from NASA, from the Artemis. But what is your prediction? Prediction that nobody will be held accountable for playing the games in the prediction market
“within sight. Oh, okay. No, you have to see the SEC, the justice department. Not only are”
asleep, they're in on the scam. Nobody for now. Nobody for now. And there's this administration until they're held accountable. Can I do one thing personally? Sure. Please, absolutely. All right. My son runs a two hour 39 minute marathon. He did it in Boston. He's going to run the Boston
marathon. I think he'll have a personal best. He read it two hour 39, which is incredible in
the marathon. I think I think this coming Boston right. He's going to get a personal best. Oh, that's very successful. The prediction of hope and a wish. And I'm very proud of them. Oh, that is amazing. You should run with them. No, I'm not. No, that Amy runs marathon. As I would say, we're going to have to do a test because I don't know who your father is. I am like you about this man. They kid you an incredible runner. Okay. And that runs. I don't
Believe I'm a thing of hope.
feel I think Americans really start really watch this Artemis flight done by NASA. It was sort of
“wonderful moment. All of all Americans. It was the numbers are quite high, which is wonderful.”
NASA and they did a great job on social media. And this crew is just so wonderful. Men hugging and crying and saying one of the things and laughing. And it just, it's been a real, it's a wonderful group of people up there. And it sort of represents the best of America in that regard, kind and good-hearted. NASA is preparing for the return of Artemis 2 after this historic moon fly by these pictures are delightful and amazing. And astonishing. And it also makes you appreciate Earth.
Let's listen to a clip from crew member Christina Cook after the spacecraft passed by the moon. We will explore. We will build ships. We'll visit again. We will construct science outposts.
“We will drive rovers. We will be reading astronomy. We will found companies. We will both”
are industry. We will inspire. But ultimately, we will always choose Earth. We will always choose each other.
Just what you were talking about, Ron. Make her the head of NASA. I actually think it was a perfect and difficult spirit to what you're seeing out of this administration. We'll choose Earth and we'll choose each other. And we'll do things. In a period of where we did a war of choice. Yeah, it was a act. And it touched, look, I do think there's this yearning out there to actually not see our fellow Americans as the enemy or the, you could be an opponent,
but from a political standpoint, but it's not your enemy. And I thought she touched that human
“kind of spirit. And it's also most important for the United States that something we can”
unify around. I don't know about you. I get on the, you know, open my iPad. Firstly, I do see the pictures that are sending. They're beautiful. And look at the, I looked at the Earth from that eclipse photo, which I thought was most beautiful shot. And then there was also complimentary the web telescope, put out new pictures of the galaxy. And it's just, it, it, it, it, there's it kindles. And it's, and it has that little light that illuminates in you of something that
you can, as you said, hopeful, proud, and optimistic about. And I thought her message was just beautiful. It was a family like the Popes. We have a beautiful planet. Anyway, we want to hear from you, send us your questions about business, Tech, or whatever's on your mind. Go to nmymag.com/pivotism to question for the show or call 85551 Pivot. Elsewhere in the Karen Scott Universe this week, my new CNN show, Cares Wisher wants to live forever, is premiering this Saturday, April 11th,
at 9 p.m. Eastern Scott is actually going to interview me at the premier in New York tonight. And also your brother, Zika's in it. And he's hysterical. He and I are wearing colonial garb together. And we had a ball. He, for God. He's, he's, he's, he's really good. It's the making of a star. Anyway, you're all, you're all fascinating. The manuals. Anyway, thank
you so much for joining me today. There's never a dull moment.
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