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All right, you ready? Yeah, what's your list of swirling? Oh, stop it, it's your main show, it's the one that fuels all the others. Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine in the box media podcast network. I'm Kara Swisher.

And I'm Scott Galloway. So I didn't hear from you yesterday on Mother's Day, but that's okay. And I'm tasting it, please. Yeah, I can't even imagine the Royal Ask out wedding coordination Jubilee that is Mother's Day at your house. It is, it's a great, I got so many things, it was really nice, Alex, I came back from Europe yesterday. And Alex was at the airport with balloons, and we took a picture in which I look like a hobbit, which was sweet.

And then my, the little's left me the most beautiful things they did. Clare did a whole book to me, a mother, M.U.T.T.E.R. and saw did this beautiful shrinking ink, which I liked, I like a shrinking ink. And then decorated something, and then Louise called several times, so that was really fun. I just kind of imagined the operational complexity of Mother's Day in your house, hold, got seriously.

Do you have mothers? You got three mothers, an ex, a ceramic mug business, and somebody definitely crying in a Subaru. It's got to be. That's Chloe. It's gonna be.

There's a lot of mothers. There's a lot of mothers, yeah, no, I have to say, and also my mother too.

“Oh, my gosh, I forgot about the one key.”

Yeah, Alex wins the thing. He went and made a flower bouquets with my mother. He went out with her for lunch. He hung out with Megan, which was great, and did all kinds of things, Megan, and then he met me. And he went out with Amanda, and the kids to a playground, and played with the kids, and

helped her. And so Alex wins Mother's Day, I would have to say. Nice. What did you do for your lovely wife? Not a lot.

All I do is remind the boys to call her. Oh, wow. That's what I do.

I basically, a lot of angry texts of something along the lines of, have you called the person

that gave you life? Oh, nice. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. Because men, not that considered on the ground, there's this illusion that my boys are incredibly

considered at the awful people in this household. Yeah. And it's their prefrontal cortex walking around whose name is Dad. Yeah, yeah. That's anyway.

So, yeah. Yeah.

“You have a good memory of your mother for Mother's Day?”

Oh. That's so close. You were so close. That's a generous question. I don't remember specific mother's days.

I don't. Yeah, I don't. I remember them when I was out of the house, and when I was older, more than I remember them when I was younger. We used to do the same thing, Kara, whenever it was anything for something like a celebration

or birthday, we used to go to this valley on Western Boulevard called Junior's Valley. Oh, yeah. And get the brisket dip and my mom would get the logs eggs and onions and inevitably a waitress who had been there 20 years would just come over and talk about how much I'd grown.

And then we get halva on the way out. Yeah. Wow. That's one of the nice memory. I love those.

In any case, I'm back from Europe. I know you're concerned. I was a gamer. You're back from Norway. No, no.

I was in England. I was in London with Tina Browns, and I was great. Then I went to Norway where we're big in Norway, Scott. I have to tell you. I didn't know.

Many fans didn't know it. The northern media date. I've got a similar 10 or 12 downloads.

Well, there's only 5 million people in Norway, but I got to say they were really a great

I was at Cambridge at University at the Cambridge Union, which was really fun.

I got to say at King's College, which is the punting votes and the beautiful lawns and the giant kithy drills and everything. It's quite a beautiful town, Cambridge. One of the things, they're so obsessed with Trump, all these countries, and the danger he poses.

They're all very concerned about these U.S. companies, and a sort of the feel is, are they colonizing us, backwards colonization, which is, I know a loaded word. But it was sort of extractors of their stuff anyway. It was really interesting to hear. I learned a lot by just hanging out with all these people from here.

Yeah.

My thesis is that London is going to boom over the next three years, and not for the right

reasons. But my thesis is that there's been this enormous transfer of human and financial capital out of London into the Gulf. And if you talk to kids who are about to graduate from college, there'll be a few of them that are planning to go to Dubai.

And my thesis is that traditionally speaking, these masters and the universe from Europe who all migrated to Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Riyadh, that in the last several weeks, their wives have been on their taking their kids to school and seeing an incoming projectile, and then went home and said, "We're out of here."

“I think that the kind of the veil of the near of security and safety, more security than”

safety, they're still exceptionally safe places to live, has been pretty badly punctured. And I think that's going to move, have a dramatic reversal of the tides into Geneva, Milan, Madrid, and London, also. Also, I hate to say it, but beautiful. Beautiful places.

You know, the same thing on the unit is happening. There's just more statistics at a San Francisco in terms of the recovery and everything else, which is interesting, you know, just in real estate terms, I had someone like contact me to buy my hat, like the housing market is now on fire for everyone's move back, which is really, it's just an interesting shift of these people, and then they complain, you

know, they complain to blind, and then they come right back, because they are the, I don't like a pick and choose places, but I have to say, they really are the best places, these beautiful, New York, San Francisco, London, Milan, they're just beautiful places to live and full of really interesting people, I don't know, anyway, just struck me. Look, I've been, as I said, for the last 30 years, I've been molesting the earth for business,

and my reductive analysis of all regions, if I were to describe the world and where to live and for what reasons, America is still the best place to make money and Europe is the best

“place to spend it. If you're in the making money party or life, then you should absolutely”

get, figure out a way to get to the US or one of 20 super cities where two thirds of

all economic growth will take place. It's better to be good in Shanghai than amazing in

Melbourne, actually Australia is a pretty, pretty robust economy, but if you, if you have the luxury of being a party or life where you have the disposable income and flexibility, it's very hard to, to beat Madrid. It isn't. I was walking around thinking I could live here. Madrid, Paris, Gaza on the southern northern Europe in the summer, I mean the South France, oh, maybe we'll just take a quick hop over to Capri or go check out the sights

in Rome, Europe is fantastic. Of course, you have to have money to do that. One of the things that though there is sort of hanging over England is this, you know, the Starmer government is in real trouble. It's going into a multi-party system and obviously the Nigel Farage group, restore whatever the fuck they want to restore. Form movement is really gaining power, but it's more like a fractured power, like a

many party system and the conservatives are falling off the map. It's just, they're very worried about Nigel Farage being the prime minister. That's for sure, a lot of people. And or else creating a situation where they can't form a government, because of too many different power centers. And then the greens are also gaining, which is interesting.

“Like I don't, I am blissfully unaware of the UK politics, but I would have, I think people”

would have a difficult time thinking of one person that's some more damage to the UK than Nigel Farage. I would agree. I would agree. If they pick him, boy, do they deserve the gift? 'Cause that's good. I think if I were Starmer, I would be running on backset. They should absolutely rejoin EEO. It's just a few more self-inflicted wounds than our, our, our entry into a rack and also the UK. He is a nefarious figure. And so,

I don't know, it's so Putin close and just the whole thing. The whole, every bit of Nigel Farage is awful. I don't know where to turn in that, right? Anyway, we should get

It was a way. The FCC's loan democratic commissioner is accusing the Trump administration

“of waging a quote, "sustained coordinated campaign of censorship and control against ABC."”

In a letter to Disney CEO Josh Demaro and a Gomez said the FCC under Brendan Brande Carr has been weaponized to pressure a free and independent press and all media into submission. The letter comes after ABC accused the FCC of attempting to chill free speech, which it did in a petition filed last week that filing is tied to the FCC's probe into whether the view violated equal time rules when tennis Texas Senate candidate James Telerico went on

the show earlier this year. ABC argues the view got an FCC exact, an exemption in 2002 as a, a bone of feeding news interview program, which it is. And that ruling remains in effect today. And, you know, as usual, Brenda has said so many things publicly that are really damning in terms of when they come to court. You know, it's being such a suck up to the Trump administration and not an independent person he's supposed to be. You can have

as opinions about things, but it has made become more sensurious than all the left he accuses them of and is making all my business threats. It's interesting that Disney and ABC is pushing back rather hard under this new CEO, something probably, I suspect, I either wanted

“to do, but felt he couldn't at the time, but any thoughts on this?”

Well, yeah, they're learning that they have figured out that second wrong to Ron DeSantis and Donald

Trump's cock has not paid off for them. Remember the economic warfare that DeSantis was trying to levy for political reasons and it doesn't pay, it doesn't pay to appease these guys. They did push back on DeSantis, if you recall, remember they sort of played games with him. Yeah, sort of. Yeah, they did. Well, they did not. That is correct. And now good at illegal harassity. This isn't legal ambiguity. This is a government harassment campaign

with an FCC seal on it. Saying that, saying that the equal time probe or that the view violates equal time, that basically essentially means Fox and Friends have been violating equal time for 25 consecutive years. This is just ridiculous. And then the loan FCC or the loan Democrat on the FCC is a woman named Anna Gomez who essentially is yelling into a void while the institution continues to be weaponized against the press. It's not, I mean, Commissioner Gomez basically

can't even dissent. It's more like a hostage note when she writes her letters of dissent. So this is nothing but again, more weaponization of media or weaponization of our government agencies to try and squelts free speech. It's just insane when they talk about, I mean, all this bullshit that supposedly Democrats call for violence in the language they use. And Brenda is just making it worse by giving these stupid speeches with this smug little, you know, shitty and

grin that he always has on his face. And again, Brenda, I'm following you everywhere you go after

you leave office. And I will make sure people understand what you did constantly. This is, and I hate to say this and it goes into our next story. Do you want to talk about cherry mandarin? Yeah, we will. Yeah, I can be an element who people know that obviously this got been pressed has redistricting wars ramp up ahead of the midterm Democrats are facing some major setbacks. Virginia Supreme Court just struck down a voter approved map that could have netted the Democrats up to four households.

It's not over yet. And we'll see it's going to go to the Supreme Court. But the Supreme Court, of course, did it's business by weaking the voter rights act in recent ruling setting off redistricting pushes and several southern states. Republicans could now have around 15 new winnable districts, but Trump's approval ratings are still a massive hurdle. Has when Democratic strategists put it Trump has the power to rig the maps, but he doesn't have the power to get as a

approval rating higher. It could slap back at them. It's really interesting. One of the long shots options reportedly tossed around in Virginia lower the mandatory retirement for the

“state Supreme Court and replaced the entire bench. I think there's a bunch of things they may have to”

do. But what's a real shame is that now the Democrats are going to have to jury-mander their states, which is not good for any, this none of this is any good to be breaking this precedent of 10 years falling the census to do this. What is essentially stealing? When you look at the map in Tennessee, it's insane. People are 210 miles away from other voters, which is crazy. It's crazy. It's a crazy map, and it's all done to retain power, which I think they won't actually doing this. I think

people are offended by having their votes stolen from them. Well, Democrats and I agree with this wanted to fight fire with fire or jerry-mandering or jerry-mandering, and they lost both the map, and you could argue the moral high ground, although I think it was the right move. And you can't argue with the fact that the other side is destroying democracy. I mean, Tennessee is the template, right? There's two Democratic Congress people in 2020, Nashville and Memphis. Republicans redistricted

national in 2022, and now it's Memphis. The playbook is pretty straightforward here. They find a

I don't believe, I mean, a really interesting message in the right message for a candidate,

“specifically, a presidential candidate. And right now, the only one actually talking about”

fucking issues is Roman manual. They're all just caused, they're all just caused playing Obama, hoping rhetorical flourish, and talking about breaking bread with Jews and Muslims, and we need to come together. Although, I have to say, Newsome got the job done in California. He like hit them hard, and won. He fought back, and he won. He fought the law, and he won. Yeah. But we need structural reform. One, a really decent talking point, an issue for a presidential candidate would be the following.

Within 90 days, I'm putting up for a vote in the Congress in the Senate to de-jerry-mandered the entire United States. Six Republicans, the extremist Democrats were against technology. It might be just

as much as putting a grid on top of the United States map and saying, okay, it might be AI,

whatever it is, but we need to de-jerry-mandered the United States. And then I think another structural reform, and it goes for a larger issue. A lot of the world's problems right now can be reverse engineer to old men who won't fucking leave. It infects, it infects, it creates fascists who find reasons to deny democracy. It creates a public investment that lacks investment in young people and children. It creates a demographic collapse, because young people don't get money, because old people keep voting

themselves more and more money. I see it in academia, young academics are leaving the field, because there's no fucking room form, because a guy who's the bomb in 1988 and gap went accounting won't fucking leave, because we give him tenure about the time they become totally unproductive. There needs to be a shedding, a healthy shedding of skin. I have self-imposed

“term limits on boards. You need to move on. And one of those structural reforms should be”

term limits and age-gating for the most important people of the long-term United States,

and that is our Supreme Court. But at both of the same time or one of the other. Yeah, for God's sake, if you're 72, you're pre-frontal, you're brainest shrinking. Your brain starts shrinking at 45, but at time you're 72, most people have a very difficult time with cognitive function, and I'm sure there's exceptions. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was very smart at 80. She should have been forced to retire at 72, as should the rest of them.

You need young thinking. You need people. You need people who occasionally have a fucking child in the house, so they can relate to the issues facing young people. You don't want to pack the court, because all that means is when a Republican gets in, they're going to expand the court from 12 to 30 people under their watch. You need age-gating, and you need term limits. But more than anything, a great talking point for a Democrat right now would be I am going to

de-gering mander the US within 90 days. I'm going to put a vote up, and you can find out who is not up for true democracy here. Right, absolutely. I mean, one of the things, it's just that when you look at these maps, that you know, it's some point, obviously, Germany, they're around forever, but these are like, the Republicans are committing unnatural acts. They really are. It looks like a weird sex position, the way they have drawn these things, and it's grotesque. It's grotesque,

and you know what it was, I have to say, those images from Tennessee, with those fat, white, old men laughing at young, very vibrant, interesting, black legislators. You're nothing more really did look like the Confederate South. They look like the Confederate South. It was a version and then laughing. You are, by the way, y'all are going to die of heart attack relatively soon, because you look like you could get out for a walk or two, but one of it just was, the visuals were

so like these old racist fucks, and I'm not sure that's, and then at the top of the heap is Trump, who looks like who was cognitively. I keep saying this got, we have to, you know, we did it with Biden.

“I think we have to zero in on his cognitive difficulties that just continue. And today,”

Dr. Oz and the other one, Brett, Katie, Brett, were like talking to him like he was a toddler, like a toddler when he was something really, oh, Mr. President, it's like he talked to someone in old folks. He's old agegating. I can't agegating. No one should be allowed to run for president if, when elected, they're going to be older than 70, or pick a number, have, have new rologists decide. But at some point, neither Biden nor Trump should be entrusted with overseeing

the six-fleet or NAFTA agreements or trying to stay up to four in the morning to get the votes they need, whatever it is. This is a young person's job. A great. You know, when I said that to you, I think you were surprised. You were like, when I said, I'm leaving at 72. I have 72, and that's it. That's it. I'm gone. I'm off to Katie. That's the number you've fixed 70. Yes. I bought myself a cap and, you know, I bought myself a cap. I love it. I'll send you a picture.

I, yes. That is at 72, and I'm gone. I'm gone. Like, see you later. I may be all sitting right

wife's going to be Susan Collins. I think you're going to be one of those tech people that goes

Maga on us. No. And I'm up to you, Mary. I'm just a trauma. If a man and a woman need a marriage license to get married, would it too women need to get married a liquor license? Oh, very funny.

“I don't think that's sexist. Yeah. I think it's for a fan and vulgar, but I don't think that's it.”

I don't, I don't think it's funny. It's the issue I have. Anyway, it's not that funny. Anyway, these redistricting, I think he cannot fight the polls. The polls are so bad. Everyone doesn't like him. That's one thing I did. The message I gave to people. I was like, he is widely, he has this group that like him, but I got to tell you, you got to watch the cracks in Maga and you got to watch the polling, which is everyone is sick to fuck this guy. And he is cognitively disabled. I'm

going to say that in every single show until the 20 past the 20s. That's, that's the cold comfort that we as progressive are serving ourselves up this morning. And that is that Trump can't

rig the maps, but he can't rig his approval rate. That's the hope that, basically,

segregating voting again with taking a new during certain parts of the voter rights acts, this ridiculous corrupt cherry mandarin that'll come back to Hanuman vibes. And my fear is the following.

“Okay. Tell me because I have to. Well, I believe that America is still highly sexist,”

highly-luxist, and ops for a person who may be wrong more often than not, but is effective versus people who are right and ineffective. And this is the key distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans right now is the Republicans are wrong and being highly effective and Democrats are right and virtuous and totally fucking ineffective. I'm not so sure. This whole thing with the ballrooms and the weird, the thing with the weird title base and etc. It's just, it's getting like

people vote based on a ballroom. No, I know they don't, but it's a part of the whole crazy old man thing. One thing that I will say, I was with a bunch of cyber experts in the two things they did point out, and I think correctly, is one, the Russians are preparing to attack during the mid-terms, you know, in Trump's favor, as Mason studies have shown, they did obviously against both Clinton and so they're going to attack. You know, online, like a lot of online cyber to,

it's not a cyber, cyber, and an information fuck-upery, essentially. And then the second thing is,

why is that next to one guy who's an American, who is talking about who obsessed with Steve Bannon, and he fails, they're going to try to, and he's from his sort of talked about it a little bit, put, go to 80 districts that matter and put Marshall, you know, Marshall Law in place or create all manner of ice, and proud boys, et cetera, except if you listen to Steve Bannon, he does talk about this, and I think there's a couple of cyber people, we're paying a lot of attention to Steve Bannon,

and what he's doing, and you know, that sack of, that meat sack of rumpled, whatever is, is very effective in many ways speaking of effective, although I can't believe he keeps hanging on, looking at what he does. Anyway, let's go on a quick break when we come back, a game-changing feature coming to Apple's AirPods. Support for this show comes from Harvey AI. The future of law is agentec, not just tools that

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and join. Remember to text pivot to 511 511. Because the first amendment protects all of us and it protects you. Text rates may apply. Scott, we're back with more news. This is really interesting. Apple's reportedly reached the late stages of development for new AirPods and include tiny cameras. As I'm for AI features, who said they were going to put cameras you and I have talked about this. The cameras would help Siri understand what's around you. So you could ask questions about

objects landmarks or directions in real time. The new AirPods are expected to look similar to

“AirPods Pro but with slightly longer stems to fit the camera hardware. This is astonishing. I think”

Apple originally wanted to launch the AI wearable sooner but delays in subgraded Siri push the timeline back. You will of course lose 50 pairs of these, Scott. 50. That 50. That's not no pods in it because I can't find them. I can't test in Scott's New York apartment. There's

so many AirPods cases everywhere. They're one AirPods in them. Some are never been opened. It's really

easy. I love those things. So talk about this because they're obviously privacy because a lot of people have been pushing back on the meta glasses which sell just okay. They're popular but not that popular. So talk a little bit about this because there is privacy issue here like people looking out at the same time. It's inevitable you're going to have these heads up displays in some way and this is a version of heads up display that isn't in your face which I think is more effective than it's in your

ear of a camera in your ear. I love your thoughts on this because you have big thoughts on visual like heads up displays. Well as much as I hated mixed reality headsets and the Oculus I love this. And it goes back to a very anthropological thing. What is harder for people to adapt to and they lose their vision or they lose their hearing? A vision I guess. But in the past hearing. All right. So a matter of fact when you're hearing goes you stop processing words and you become more

this is going to sound strange. Well it's not strange. People have a much more difficult time maintaining societal contact relevance relationships when their hearing starts to go as opposed to their vision starting to go. You're hearing the last sense to go when you die is hearing. You're supposed to win people pass. You're supposed to keep telling them the true love them.

“This is probably that's the literally the last sense to go and I think it's the most”

underrated of the senses that we have overinvested in visuals and underinvested in hearing AirPods if they were a distinct company. Just AirPods would be a Fortune 50 company and what is this? What is Apple doing here? They're turning your ears and eyes and sending the footage, you know, unfortunately they might be sending the footage to Gupertino but the AI wearable race is now happening. What's interesting though is it's not happening where people thought it was going to happen.

It's happening in their ear canal. So Meta has Ray Bands, Apple has AirPods, Google probably have some glassing on what they're calling it this week. They originally had contact lenses. They remember the long time we broke a story about them working on contact lenses with visuals

and them. The problem here or I think it's a great idea and I'll buy one. The problem is

the hardware at Apple, the hardware is always ready before the software and they wanted to launch this sooner but Siri has probably one of the worst tech products of the last 10 years. It really is. And Apple, I mean think about it. Apple has the world's best supply chain and the world's most embarrassing AI assistance. It is so bad. I hate Siri. If you think about it. I mean essentially

system overlay. It's like a Lamborghini chassis waiting for an engine that works. So the hardware will be the best looking hardware, the best operating hardware, the problem will be the AI overlay and

“I told you what I want you to do. I think they're going to shit can't Siri and license it to”

someone else for tens of billions of dollars. Right. Yeah. Why not? Just make it good. I am constantly Siri call Scott or Siri, you know, tech Scott or something like and it never works. It's sometimes works and it just, it should work every single time. What if it was Gemini? What would, what would Gemini needs to catch up? What would Gemini pay Tim Cook or the new guy to design to say where you're default AI? Look, Siri just talked to me even though I didn't want to go away,

Siri. I think they're in the pulp position here. I think the most elegant move to massively

throw $10, $20 billion a year to the bottom line would be to have a bake off and say one of you

is going to be the excel inside of Apple and that is your kind of a big thing to give up, though, but they're not good at it. Just like with maps. They're just not good at it. We'll search. They get up in search and it worked out well for them. Yeah. Exactly. Let me ask you a physical question. So when AirPods, people do not remember this. When AirPods first came out, people made fun of the look of it. You remember, everyone you look like an alien, you look like you're wearing earrings,

for men, and then everyone just loves them, right? And they fall out of your ear. There was all manner. Now, if they're even longer with these like stems, it could look odd, but it seems to me the best solution is the in the ear, AirPods looking like things. Not over the ear, not around the neck, over the head except, you know, I'm on an airplane. I wear, you know, a pair of really good, noise canceling headphones, but that's different. So you think that's okay. And the privacy

issues, you don't have an issue with the people. You can see everybody, and it's recording, presumably. Well, that's that is a big issue. I haven't thought that through, right? Because you're not supposed to be taking pictures of people's kids, the surveillance government, the government will be going to the white ones uploading your data, your wearabouts, but no one no one creates tech hardware that is a better signaling device than Apple. And pulling out your

iPhone, I've always said pulling out your iPhone is like pulling out an AMX black card, but for

billion people, not 10 million. It says that you get it. It says you're one of the seven most wealthiest people on the planet. It says you're probably in the creative arts industry. You know, it just, it's, it is incredible signaling. I wear my AirPods. If I'm at a conference, and I just need to get somewhere without getting without speaking to people, I'm just feeling exhausted by people. I just put my AirPods on and I have like, I'm talking to somebody, like, I'm speaking to myself.

I know that trick. But let me just say one of the things, I'd like to not look at my iPhone anymore. I'd like, like, I use my watch quite a bit, but it's not good enough. And I use my, if my AirPods were better, I would not pull my phone out at all. 100%. You know, that's the thing. So I think this is really interesting. Another interesting piece of tech. And we're very tech heavy today. SpaceX chip

making project in Texas will have an initial price tag, at least $55 billion and could eventually

go to 100. And 19 billion, according to a public hearing notice, the project called TerraFab, will create ships to power AI for SpaceX and Tesla. This is smart move by Elon. SpaceX is asking for tax breaks for the project, of course, which will be discussed in a hearing next month.

“Texas will definitely give it to them because that's what Texas does. They've been over speaking”

and bending over. SpaceX is of course preparing to a public with one of the largest IP offerings in June. To me, more than the robotics focus, this is really an important, I mean, the way they do energy is sort of repatious to the people living in the areas they're living in. And it's getting a lot of pushback, but the idea of your own ships, all these companies really have to be in that game seems like. And it's an important. Elon really does know this. I don't think he's

highly technical as he makes himself out to be, but he does understand this is the heart of it. I agree. This is a really smart move. And it's one of the most interesting. And it's also quite frankly. It's fundraising. It's going to be a big slide in his road show for SpaceX, IPO. They're talking about a $6,220 billion ship fabrication plan, a tariffab, and it would be bigger than the biggest one in the US right now is a $65 billion plan from TSMC. So the world's most advanced

shipmaker with 50 years of experience, Elon is trying to out TSMC TSMC. So it creates he's very good. But he and Trump are both obsessed with being in your fucking face every day and they're very

“good at it. And so this is, I mean, I think it's going to happen. The guy's a big thing.”

Yeah, exactly. Like XAI went nowhere. So he may not, he may not be very good at this. It doesn't

This is the right direction. Yeah. Let me say he did, he did surrender XAI by doing the

anthropic deal. It just everybody's left. He's not going to win here. He could win in this.

“And I, I think he probably might. This is a better focus for him. Speaking of focuses for French”

prosecutors or summoning Elon and X's former CEO, Linda Yaccorino. Oh, Yaccorino, where did you go to? She's doing some health company to face preliminary criminal charges into X. The investigation includes charges of child pornography and sexualized deep fake. It was interesting when I was in Europe there like, oh, it's not, he's not going to, it's not going to go near. I don't really care. I'm glad a government is doing it, right? Because our certainly wouldn't. And they should, they

should face an investigation of what was happening there at X, doing all this. Who made the decisions about these child pornography and sexualized deep fake creations? I'd like to know, and I'm glad a government is pursuing it. I don't even care if they win. I'm glad they're doing it. That's my feeling. There you go. A more power to them at some point. Big tech executives, their flight pattern is going to look like Jerry Mandarin because they're not going to be able to go over the airspace.

“The world, we forgive, we forgive these founders, especially during a Trump administration for the”

economic growth. Yeah, these sociopaths, that's the word I would use. But we are, we are net gainers from Big Tech. We just are in the US. That's not the same thing we should pay the price for stuff like this. I agree. Yeah. That's not to say we shouldn't hold them accountable. It's not to say that shouldn't be subject to the same rules and regulation as other industries. But if you had a red button to push and do away with all Big Tech, you wouldn't want to do it. And for all the problems and externalities,

there is a single nation in the world with presenter with the opportunity when to say put your

headquarters here. The problem is, you know, the Big Tech, I don't think Italy is a net gainer from

Big Tech. The US is, but I'm not sure other nations are. Yeah, they are. And so a lot of these nations are doing the math and saying you've got it, our media companies. You don't pay that many taxes here. You haven't really increased employment a lot. You're just creating tremendous disruption. And sexualized deep fakes. Yeah. And also you now appear to be an existential threat to our our kids emotional and physical well-being. We're not down with, you know, the idolatry of

innovators for a lot of good reasons and some bad has totally kind of infected or overwhelmed the US. The worm has turned a little bit. A eyes way down. People are realizing what a negative impact this has had on our children. And then going much bigger, it's manifesting itself in terms of being ground zero for frustrations around income inequality. But these other nations just aren't that impressed by these guys. And like, okay, you broke a law. We're going to charge you.

Yeah, I like the activity. And I think, as you said, a long time ago, early in our relationship, someone has to do a part walk on what whether it's chat bots and kids dying or something like that. Someone has to go to jail. They won't. But I like the effort by these governments that I don't think it's I think someone needs to investigate how they made these decisions about sexualized deep fakes in child pornography on that's on whatever service that doesn't. And what they did to stop it or

“not stop it. I think it's important for public to know. There was a guy. I think it was a McKinsey”

partner on the board of Goldman and he took inside our information and traded on it. You went to jail. Think about what's happening in the Trump administration around oil prices. Think about what's happening in tech in terms of teen self cutting and depression among teen and being weaponized. You said you expect the Russians to cyber attack us? They've been cyber attacking us. They use these poorest platforms that are totally focused on shareholder value.

They create lists of people who are a pro you crane or people who are polarizing and they infect their comments and the people's perception of them. They diminish their credibility and they create fights everywhere to try and atomize us. We're attacked every day and the ultimate Trojan horse is big tech who charges them a small fee to go sit inside the Trojan horse and start attacking America from within. That's correct. And by the way they'll shift in a dime. I don't know if you

notice suddenly David's sex is like anthropics going to be really successful after needlessly at all. Suddenly likes anthropics. Oh, he's such a let me just tell you we were right about that one. Like immediately when it's batting in their back he took because he's losing the fight over

unfettered AI and they're just better. That's all. Anyway, um, of course he was lying the first time

about when they attacked him and if go for a government official to do that to an American company without any proof is really grotesque. I don't mind if it's proof but in that case it was because he wanted to feather his own nest. Anyway, let's go on a quick break and we come back we'll check in on the Trump phone speaking of Dairy Say It fraud. Support for the show comes from CoreWave. AI isn't just a new tool that encompasses so much more.

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Looks like these aren't coming and the people of loss that are money. Which we said would happen. This is exactly. I'm not sure where the phone ranks among various Trump griffs. Another Trump venture where things weren't looking so great. Trump media just posted a net loss of $406 million and I think they made under a million dollars and revenue driven largely by unrealized losses and crypto holdings. And while they're doing all this grift,

the Pentagon has released a batch of, quote, "never before seeing UFO files on a dedicated

government website." The files include details from over 40 reports from the 40s and recent years including several Apollo missions, president of touted as the administration transparency and true social posts saying now, "The people can decide for themselves what the hell is going on. We cannot decide. There's just more lights. Hey, I can get more out of just like a book I buy at the airport about these things." So it's just a lot of, you know, hand waving all over the

place and grift. I mean, the Trump phone, which Scott and I both said, was never going to happen,

“is not going to happen. People in 60 million bucks are something like that. I think that's how much”

they collected. It's grift. First off, this wasn't a down to payment on a product. It was a donation. I don't think anyone's going to care. I think the likelihood that he was ever going to have a competent phone was probably didn't escape these folks as it relates to aliens. I'm convinced that aliens have been monitoring us, including all of our media. And if you're really honest about two thirds of our media is pouring, so I think this explains that the aliens

aren't using anal pro stream formation. They're just trying to speak our language. Can you guys have a question? Do you believe in aliens? I'm just curious. Wouldn't you think about UFOs and you see these pictures? And let me tell you, everybody. I looked at some of these pictures. They look like the pictures you always see. Bright lights, things moving across the sky, unexplainable phenomena, often, often lights, or lights moving in a

pattern, or something like that, which could be explained lots of different ways. Do you actually

“believe in aliens? This isn't like I'm on edibles, but I believe in everything. What do I mean by that?”

If you believe, there's some logic here, I think. Like Loch Nets Monster. That's cool. Most astrophysicists believe. It appears the infinite space theory that space never ends.

and space never ends. That means everything exists. That means everything that's happened

has happened before, because if space never ends, that means the infinite possibilities of everything exist and everything that you can imagine is out there. I got, I need an edible at this point. I mean, we exist all the time forever. You and I? No, it means that if there's an infinite number of universes at some point, there's a universe very similar ours with similar life spans, similar earth and gas and organisms and similar, similar caras and scots. And if you don't believe

if it's not exactly like it, just keep going through infinity and eventually you'll get to it. Oh, wow. The fact that this is like a plot of interstellar or something like that. Well, if space is infinite, and I'd like to hear an argument for how it couldn't be, then of course, there's a galaxy and another alien intelligence that can send probes here. Having said that,

“I don't think they'd be that interested with us. So I don't know. Do I believe they exist?”

Yes. Do I believe the ones we have seen are actual alien intelligence or life, and I'll think so? Maybe they're flashes from another universe. Maybe that's what we're seeing, lights that maybe they, you know, like in all the sci-fi, or the Marvel movies, all the different universes suddenly get the sky gets ripped open into one of the universes comes in to this one,

yet to close the, it's always having to close the fucking portal in those movies, which I never

understand, but I vaguely do. I think we should ask aliens to hunt down all the people on Jeffrey Epstein's Island. I think we could call the alien versus predators. They show them. I would like the aliens to write just about now. That's what I would like them to do. Are you ready for it? I would like them to come now. It's time. It's time. It's time. Either Jesus or them. I don't care. Jesus needs to come back, or they do. I don't either one.

I'm good with anybody showing up and like getting our, that's the distraction we need,

“and, and, and that's what this says, Kara, it's a distraction. It's a distraction. Of course,”

absolutely. Anyway, well, we wish you will call me alien. All I got to say is that females invade the earth and kidnap men with large cocks. You're in no danger, and I'm just, I'm just writing this to say goodbye. Oh, can I have your stuff? I like your stuff. Can I have your stuff? Can I have your stuff? I think I'll be like down to Kashmir sweaters. I know you've been stealing my sweaters. Yeah, that's true. I have your stuff. They're in Brooklyn right now.

Anyway, you can stay Brooklyn anytime. You'll never come to Brooklyn. Never. I've been there twice,

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Now in your filial. All the good for all. Okay, Scott wins and fails. I feel like I should go first. Speaking of conspiracy theories, this is one that I find very troubling. And look, listen, I even kind of believe it. One in four Americans think the April shooting at the White House Correspondence Center was staged, according to a new survey. Roughly one in three Democrat respondents said they believe the

event was staged compared to one in eight Republicans, the same thing with the other. There's a lot of like Margella Green, all these people think the shooting in Butler was staged. I just feel the falling off of assuming this does go back to Kennedy assassination and before.

There's always been a conspiracy theory minded populist. We have. But it's just a little

“slightly depressing because like, remember when you said I thought Jeffrey Opsing didn't kill”

himself, just like nobody believes anything. And I find it really depressing that are shared, like I get conspiracy theories. And I see why you might think this. And I hate myself for even saying, oh, maybe it was, right, without any proof. And I find that feeling in me really gross. I have to say they're conspiracy theory minded. But you become more that way as you live in this world where AI and social media and everything else just sort of spins your spins your brain

in a way that's really gross. And speaking of clarity, I have to say one thing is, first of all, Matt Damon on Saturday Live was superb. And he looks like he's great in the Odyssey. And he was superb. That was a superb show. SNL is really brilliant. He's a really solid actor. Anyway, but I have to give talking about clarity, Chelsea Handler at the Kevin Hart Rose was fucking supercell was Tom Brady by the way. But let me say,

Chelsea Handler handed it back to the maga sort of adjacent comedian, bro. Let's listen to her call out the comedians who went to the Saudi comedy festival. Now that your favorite leader is making the draft mandatory, I assume that all of you will be

“signing up to go fight in Iran. Or do you tough talking pussies only go to the Middle East for comedy festivals?”

So she had so many lines. That was a nicer one. And then she had some choice words for Tony Hinge Cliff. And she said, Tony, Tony is what happens when women don't have safe access to a abortion care, which I thought was funny. And then also like who's who's who's warming Joe Rogan's balls in their mouth. Now that you're here tonight, he looked sick the way she attacked him. And it was so good. She did such a good job. I have to say, Chelsea, I love you. Mary, me. I say, so good.

She was fantastic. And they just he was so uncomfortable. Like they can't take a joke. These people they can dish it out, but they can't take it. And Chelsea put them down to put them down. And I love to see it anyway, your thoughts. I agree with you on that. Some of my wins and fails. My win is Mayor Mombani's Piotta Territacks. I'm not even going to get into whether the city of New York should be cutting costs, or spend too much money. I don't have enough

domain expertise of a resident of Florida. But the percentage of federal employees as a percentage

of the population has steadily gone down. I've never bought that there's just way to waste fraud

and abuse everywhere. And if we're going to get our fiscal house in order, do we need to cut spending and raise taxes? The answer is yes. So I'm just going to talk about the raising taxes side of it. If you're going to raise taxes, it feels to me that there's a very legitimate argument that the people who have done the best over the last 30 or 40 years are the very wealthy and specifically owners. And it's pretty basic. Productivity has gone up 45 degrees, wages have gone flat.

The delta between those two lines is trillions of dollars in value creation and almost all of it has gone to the top one, if not the top point one percent. So it seems to me that just basic math is it makes sense for the wealthiest among us to pay a disproportionate amount of incremental taxes needed to operate this great experiment called the US to pay for our Navy to pay for food stamps.

“And the problem is, okay, so what do you do in New York if you need to raise revenues? Do you”

increase corporate taxes? The problem with that is in jade me diamond point of the south. JPMorgan has gone from 30,000 to 20,000 employees in New York in the last 10 years because it's a very expensive place to do business. It's a mean well in Texas it's gone from 10,000 employees to 30,000. So at some point, you get diminishing returns. And a lot of the people to work at corporations are middle-class people who commute in from the different burrows. So you've got to be very careful about raising

costs on business because New York is getting to the point where a lot of businesses are contemplating

just go after all rich people. The problem is there are a lot of people in New York making a

half a million, 600, 800 grand a year as a couple and they can't, I was that couple and I had the leave because it's just so goddamn expensive there and you're already paying 13 to 14% in criminal taxes. So I like the idea and let's bring this back to me. In 2017 when I sold my company,

“I made the mistake of giving in why you, I think 2% of the companies, the dean called me and said,”

"Can you come up here?" And when the dean calls you and says, "Come up here." You see, they're very good, they're very bad news. And he said, "We just got to check for Acts." And he said, "First off, thank you." And he said, "If my math is correct, that means you sold your company for why." And I said, "Yes." And he's like, "I need you to move out of faculty housing right away." "Ha, that's right. You lost that house." And he said, "You liked that house."

I loved it there. It was all about 110-year-old widows from some tender history professor that died 40 years ago. No one makes eye contact. No one talks to each other. I loved it.

Watch the square village. It was amazing. No one even looks at you in the eye.

Occasionally, there'd be a little bibliograph paper saying, "Join us in the third floor to celebrate Louis Franklin's life." And occasionally, there was a notice about someone who died.

“That's it. I absolutely love it. Anyways, he said, "He was really funny too. Peter Henry,”

one of my role models in the best parts of ever had." He said, "You're in strategy." He's like, "What do you think the objective is of faculty housing?" And I'm like, "To provide housing for young faculty who could otherwise not live here." And he's like, "Bingo, I need you to move out next week." Not the week after that. Anyways, I bought a place, which Cara Swisher is very fond of. It's been my one of my second homes. And I spent about, I don't know about 60 days a year. They're

maybe 90. I don't know. And here's the bottom line. This tax, I figured it out. I did the math.

If it goes through unfettered or... I know when they told you about this, by the way. You're going to tell me about it, so I began looking into it. It's unlikely it'll be watered down. But if it goes through as mom Donnie has proposed it, it would be an incremental $100,000 a year tax on me personally. I'm not fond of that. It's a form of a wealth tax because all that really does is take a say, a condo worth $10 million to make it worth $8.5 or $9 million, because it's an

“extra $100,000 a year. But here's the bottom line. And the reason why I think it's a win.”

One, our municipalities need to get their fiscal house in order. Two, it's clear that if there's going to be a incremental tax, it should be on the wealthiest among us. And three, a second, a tax on second homes, which is also being proposed, by the way, in San Francisco and Montana, is a very elegant way of going after those of us who, quite frankly, have the money. Right, it's over $10 million dollars. The house is correct.

Over five. Over five. Over five. In addition, you get a two for here. And if people decide to sell, it does free up housing stock. So nobody likes a tax. I get it. And the wealthier going to come out of their skin. I get it. Can fucking griffinies to shut the hell up. He looks like a fold on. I'm not done in my wins my fails. All right. Okay. I get it. I actually think as far as taxes goes, which nobody likes. See above the meaning of the word tax. I think this is an elegant,

thoughtful, less bad tax. My little lesbian communist from San Francisco finally. Good. And in as long as I can roll out of my apartment and I have the money, which I do, and go to Jack's wife, Rita, and sit there in order a lot, say, and watch the freak show of commerce, sex, capitalism, art, fashion, walk by me. It is worth a hundred grand a year to me. And it's still worth that to a shit ton of people because if you have a second home in Manhattan,

my brothers and sisters, you are doing just fine. Yeah. You're a tax. You are a tax. And the second home tax being proposed across municipalities, the need to raise revenue. It is an elegant idea. Thoughtful tax. This is what you're not going to like. My fail is Merrimam Donny, and his class warfare against the rich and dox and Ken Griffin. That was totally totally totally. Totally agree with you. Totally out of line. And here's the problem with Democrats.

We want to redistribute virtue, not income, propose a tax on the wealthiest. I get it. Get on with it. Stop complaining about billionaires. Do your fucking job and raise taxes on the wealthy. But instead do not go to their homes and dox them. And this is what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen. Ken Griffin, who was had a six and a half billion hard project under way of Manhattan, supposedly has given a quarter of a billion dollars to New York-based charities.

You know what he's going to say? Fuck you. And he's going to, he's absolutely going to take capital. He was investing in Manhattan and move it to Florida and Texas. And here is the problem

thing to be right, but it doesn't matter if you're in effective. And in the Democrats are going to lose if they continue to to try and with this undercurrent of young men. Are the problem don't

“have problems? Most white people are racist and all billionaires are evil. We'll guess what?”

You're going to lose the young male, the wealthy. And quite frankly, the white vote. If you keep this class warfare demonization of success up, one of the most wonderful things about America. And the reason why we have consistently attracted the best and brightest around the world is we celebrate success. Now, do we need to redistribute income to the middle class?

Abs of fucking loosely. But notice how they never talk about Oprah or Beyoncé. This is

identity politics that it's worse. It's demonizing success. And you are going to end up with lower treasury receipts, but great. You're going to virtue signal. All right, let me ask you. What is the thing? Because I think the most effective messaging around this area, and I often please just saying our billionaires off. I'm like, not all of them. No, of course not. Like, you know, I think the most effective way is to say, everyone needs to pay their fair share. That I think is

“a very effective thing. And you're saying the same thing. And remember, I think Gore tried to sort of”

demonize rich people, which push push is ironic, since he is one. But one of the things that I think is effective is everybody should pay their fair share. Like, everybody shouldn't get breaks. Everyone shouldn't get to meet with the president if I don't, right? Everyone shouldn't be in a meeting where they get stuff. I think the get well they're getting good stuff of them standing there and pulling in like Scrooge McDuck, all the money is a very good message. Like, why do they get the first, why do

they get the best bits? And you don't. I think that is not demonizing them. It's saying fair share. This is how much they pay. This is how much you pay. This is how much corporate tax has gone down. This is how much your taxes have gone up. I think that is fully a great way to do it. And I agree, that I didn't love the thing of the can using King Griffin. I think you could have done much wider is all these people have second homes, and they should pay a tax on it. And that's that.

And they're very rich. And they can not just they can afford it. They don't have, they don't have to pay taxes. And when with math is the way you kind of do it with people in a smart way. And that's my feeling. What about you? From a marketing perspective, what do you think? If teachers unions were much more powerful, and they had figured out a way to weaponize government, and we're getting paid $500,000 a year on average, plus benefits, plus retirement,

they would not be saying enough. We don't need anymore. People will always respond to incentives

in a capitalist society to get more and more until we get rid of citizens united. The wealthiest among us will weaponize government and always incrementally seed the transfer of power of our economy from laborers and consumers to investors. The entire shooting matron income inequality is the following. The point of America is to make the jump to light speed by evolving from an earner to an owner, because once you're an owner, your wealth compounds tax deferred. And owners are more so powerful,

and have such powerful lobbies because of citizen united, they keep coming up with new tax rates. I can buy a jet today and write the whole fucking thing off in your one being cash flow positive. If I own a home and I put it in an LLC, I'm an owner. I can sell it, don't have to have a capital gain. I can roll into another investment property, put it in a trust 30 million dollar exemption, and start building a dynasty. Until we have an elected, elected populous, elected representatives

who stop transferring capital influence, well-being, health, per your series from labor and from

“consumers to shareholders, none of this is going to change. And the key to all of this, none of”

this happens unless you do away with citizens united. And for Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren who keep complaining about the wealthy, well, then do your fucking job. When you controlled all three houses a government, taxes went down on the rich during the Biden administration. So everyone, it's like the guy complaining that the game was rigged is wearing a referees uniform. Yeah, you need strength for a form. But demonizing billionaires,

everybody does the same thing. Everyone responds to incentives and feathers that bad the most they can. I also think they do it to themselves. I do think on the other hand, the look of the Bezos' at that metgello wasn't good. Totally different. I think they do it to themselves. They do it to themselves. They let them do it to themselves. Rent Venice. Everyone knows how that feels. I have to say, I agree with you. You're right. I think it was a rare misstep by Mamdoni,

who's a little more deaf as way he handled Trump. Very savvy politician. I thought that was a little clotters of him. I think you're right. I think you're right. Anyway, those are good ones.

Although Kim Griffin's still been a whiny bitch about it anyway. He's always a whiny bitch.

Smart guy. I understand, but really smart guys. All of them need to stop talking. Everyone of them. Anyway, we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business

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“with author and journalist Patrick Radon key for he's one of my favorite journalists. He writes”

amazing books. Obviously wrote about the opiate crisis he's written about the crisis in northern

Ireland. He's just amazing journalist. His new book is called London Falling. It's about a mysterious circumstances around the death of a 19 year old who is pretending to be the son of a Russian oligarch. I asked Radon key. Why he's drawn to these true crime stories. Let's listen to a clip. I don't really even think of myself as a crime reporter, but it is a situation where when I go out and I kind of pursue what's interesting to me in the world. It's often stories about people

transgressing in one way or another. It's often stories about people kind of using their own charisma to change the world a little bit to find some little wormhole, some loophole they can get through,

or actually to kind of reorganize the world in a way that they would want.

And it's funny because we talk about those stories as if they're outliers, but I feel as though that is the era we live in. It's a great interview. So smart. Also he's very handsome. He was and he was related to that would be that hands down will be on Netflix within 24 months.

“I think he's already sold it. I think he's already. It's saying nothing.”

I'm sorry. And I'm going to know more. That's correct. It's going to be great. We were I actually was asking who's going to play the kid in the movie. I think he's already sold it. I believe so. By the way, it's a riveting read. It's really you can't play it. I'm not sure it has that as much meaning as he's putting in it, but it's fantastic read. And it is. It's about modern day London too, which is interesting. Okay, that's a show. Thanks for listening to pivot. Be sure to

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