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This is Pivot from New York Magazine in the box media podcast network. I'm Cara Swisher. And I'm Scott Galois. Y'all back. I'm back.

That's right. Yeah. Have you ever been to time-off? Did you have a nice time? Yeah, I didn't do a whole lot, but yeah, it was really nice.

I was in Florida, a lot of walks on the beach with my dogs. Actually, I kind of bored, which was a lovely and strange feeling. Well, we missed you. We had some good hosts, but no one is you. Let's just say, yeah.

Go on. Go on. No, no one is you.

“That's what people said when they come out to me, Coachella, they're like, no one is”

you. No one is you. I think that would be a challenge.

I think that was Justin Bieber's first song at Coachella.

I liked what he did there. I don't want a lot of people criticize them, but I liked it. I can't say I went. I only figured out Coachella the keys to go during that weekend. I hang out in my friend's house, watch the day go by, have beers, work out, and then everybody

goes to the festival. I go and get Mexican food at a dive place and have some margarillas at the bar, and then I go to the after parties. I actually don't go to the festival. Have you gone?

Did you go? No, you weren't there. Were you? Yeah, I was at Coachella's weekend. Oh my god, you're kidding.

Oh my god, you're kidding. Oh my god, you're kidding. Yeah. Now, the rest of that adolescence tour continues. Wow, amazing.

In and out burger, both days. I know I saw those pictures. That was nice. People like insult you because they're Christianity, but I don't care. They're fantastic burgers.

I'm sorry. Oh, Jesus is coming back. He's coming to an end now. We'll get to Jesus in a minute. Jesus Christ, as they say.

I just want to say thank you so much for showing up to the premiere of my show. Scott. Oh my god. Thank you.

For my first, the premiere of my show, Caris Wichord wants to live forever on CNN.

And you did a great job. You came prepared. I was expecting. Why? Learn from the best.

Yeah, I know. Well, you did a good job. Ask good questions. It was a fun party. You've stayed long, too.

Even ever, I was sort of shocked to look over in there. You were still. Well, two words. First word. Open second bar.

Yes. Any time for you.

“And there were some important people there.”

That'll fuck. I should talk to some of these people. Yeah. Yeah, there were. And Jess, Tarle, I've shown up.

That was very nice. And a bunch of friends. Oh, my work was. Yeah. Yeah.

It was really fun. She's great. And her new books come here to show me her cover. It looks very nice. And the thing that's struck me about your show was, um, please tell me.

Please tell me. You should do a shout out. Fantastic. Yes. Really beautiful cinematography.

Ever wonder was the producer, yeah. The image from the cemetery, with your dad's grave, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, it all was fit. It was beautifully shot. Yeah.

I got to say, TV at times has got it. Like, there is, like, they don't do, like, YouTube doesn't really, unless you do it as a television production. And you got cock block by JD Vance. I can't wait.

I can't wait. I'm just playing what happened. Well, of course. Show's supposed to be there. I had a party in DC by the way.

And they had breaking news to announce that JD Vance had accomplished. Absolutely nothing at all. I know. And they had it to Lake Harris premiere. And I got for an hour.

That is so rich. Yeah. It is just so delicious. We are on it. We don't care.

We don't care. Anyway. Call them and said announce it now. I think that bitch. I think that bitch.

I think that. No. No.

Whatever.

I'm going to LA this week.

And I'm going to be on Bill Mar, as the main guest, which I'm very, I heard about. Go on to see Gwyneth Paltero. Susan Bennett, who's my shirt for there. I texted me.

I don't know if they're going to ask me to be on against it. I just thought you'd want to know. Care of swishers can be like, oh, yeah, thanks. That's great. I mean, yeah.

That's great. Anyway, I'm doing a lot now. I'm going to be Clara. Who is one of the owners of the Brooklyn Nets and Liberty and Steph about sports. So I'm doing a lot.

I'm doing a lot. I may see my friend Harvey Levin. So I'm going to do a lot in LA. And I'm going to see for the weekend my beautiful son, Louis Swisher and his lovely girlfriend Ivy.

I don't know. I'm into hotels here. Where do you go? Ah, a Brooks house. Of course.

Brooks. Like me, stay at friends. I don't like hotels as much.

“How do you yell at people, though, when your breakfast is like, where's the town?”

Where's the town? She has everything. You know, Brooks gets me everything that I like and then makes me a nice egg. So she's excellent. She's an excellent Airbnb host.

Anyway, and I love her dogs. She has two friend cheese now. Anyway, we got to get to things. Let's get to things. There's a lot of news.

Jesus Christ. There was so much while you were away. And that's stuff. But Pope Leo says he has no fear of the Trump administration after president last out at him on true social Sunday night.

Trump called the Pope, quote, "week on crime" and quote, "terrible on foreign policy" is post. Neither one of those or his jobs. He accused Pope Leo of quote, catering to the radical left and then told him to focus on quote, being a great Pope, not a politician.

Trump later posted an AI generated image of himself as Jesus, though it looks like he might have deleted it. All reporters that he thought the image was him as a doctor. Oh my God, he's such a liar. This is not just the Pope Trump called out Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candice Owens,

and Owens Jones. Over their criticism, the war last week, Alex Jones responded, "We are witnessing the Epstein presidency." He's a nod to Scott Galloway there. The Candice Owens said that it may be time to put Grandpa up in a home.

We'll get to the latest on the war.

But first, talk about this alienation of everybody.

It seems demented. He was tweeting all last night from 9 p.m. to 4 a.m. regularly. Thoughts? I don't see the strategy here.

“In granted, I think Trump has had an ability to zag when everyone else is digging.”

I thought one of the greatest insights in political history was when Trump told somebody. Everybody claims to be socially liberal and physically conservative. He said the key is to be physically liberal and socially conservative and it struck me that that was sort of a genius political positioning. I failed to see how alienating a core constituency of the Republican Party and that is evangelical

Christians by taking on the Pope. People say social security is the third rail. I do think the American public is coming to grips with the fact that the wealthiest generation of the history of the planet probably shouldn't be taking 1.2 trillion dollars from the most anxious obese and depressed generation in history, and that's people under the age of 40.

But that used to be the third rail, but I would argue, kind of the most obvious third rail. You don't go after them. Don't fuck with El Papa.

So I just, even though I always think there's certain political instincts that the

president has that I don't see that end up being less wrong than I thought in sometimes right, I do not see any upside here. Also in our titulate Pope, a very articulate and younger Pope. Standing, smart, measured, everything you would want in a leader. What do you think?

I don't get this at all. I think this guy is incredibly popular. I don't understand why.

“I think he's jealous of his popular and his intelligence, and, you know, this guy's been”

speaking out as, as Pope sometimes do on war. So, you know, Francis did the same thing, and we don't want to seal this war in the way you talk about, like, last week when you were in here talking, you know, the decimation of a civilization in just as, as a tactic, it was just demented. It was demented.

And I think he was responsibly talking out the way a Pope might do, and he has been very far more, like, let's stop it, let's stop the war thing. He's still, you know, awfully conservative, even though you don't think about it, but he's see, I suppose he seems liberal, because he says, no war. I don't know how that is, no war, because, and he dubed tales, by the way, with the media,

with the magma media, which is very against the war, like not just, Marjorie Chelagrin, another one, there's bunches of them that are now a Tim Poole, all of them are sort of, I mean, a two-and-extent rogue in, but he, of course, you know, high-fived him with this, whatever wrestling stupid thing they were at. But I think, you know, they're, like, magma media doesn't speak full of magma, I'm like,

they kind of do. They kind of, there's millions and millions and millions of fathers, and they're growing like crazy. And so, I'm not so sure, picking a fight with these mouthing people from Alex Jones to Megan Kelly and Tupper Carlson, Candace, and Owen, and Marjorie Chelagrin's a particularly

good idea at this moment, but I don't know, I think he, as I've said, I think he's suffering deeply cognitively, and he's losing it, that's my feeling, just looking at the tweets seems to me. Yeah, he, it does feel like he's lashing out, I don't, yeah, I'm having trouble, Susie

Yeah, she is breast cancer, you know, she's may not be as there as present, she says she is,

but feels like she's got left the building. I don't know, I don't know, who's around him, and then look, Marco Rubio, look like a loser at that W, whatever, whatever, what was happening to MF, whatever, the fight for you. I got invited to UFC fight at the White House. Yeah, you have to go.

No, there's no I'm going. It was a little camera on your head, that was fun, good. I find UFC fights disturbing. I really don't like saying I'm a man who are in peak physical shape, beating each other up like that.

Yeah.

“Even boxing, but I think it's, I can see, it's such, in some way, it's such, so incredible,”

even that disturbs me now as I get older.

I went to a lot of boxing matches, my grandfather, when I was at home, a lot, but enough wrestling, he was into wrestling boxing. My brother, Jeff went to a lot of them, anyway, and he was a big sports in wrestling and boxing not, but, and was a promoter of a lot of stuff up in the defense of things. Cole and boxing, and you turned out like, man, what a shot.

What a shot, you're. I know, I think that's in the matter, you home a foe, but anyway, I'm going to see her because I'm doing her environment. Yes, yes, I think it had to do exactly. I'm a lesbian because my grandfather took me to boxing.

So as this recording, by the way, the point is it's all about what's happening in Iran and with Iran, and the blockade of the straight of her moves is underway with more than 15 U.S. warships in place to support the, oh my god, this feels like a bad idea.

“Trump announced the blockade plan on Sunday accusing Iran of world extortion.”

He'd know. His threats came after peace talks ended as, you know, without a resolution, which often happens. By the way, I give JD Man's a hard time, but these things take time, obviously. He was there leading negotiations to the U.S., and said Iran chose not to accept our terms, I think there was issues around the nuclear proliferation stuff.

Trump is also reporting looking at limited military strikes in Iran in addition to the blockade. It's really hard for him because he's stuck, as you said. He's painted himself into a corner many times. They're not budging, and also, I want to note, we've seen a big new type of target in this war, big tech data centers last month.

Amazon data centers in the U.A.E. and Bahrain were damaged in drone strikes, and Iran has been threatening to attack U.S. companies in the Middle East. I don't know what to say here. What a mess. He just can't, like, get himself out of this situation, since these people aren't budging,

even if they're on their back foot, they still have advantage in a very, in a weird way, the way Ukraine does with Russia, and, you know, it's very hard to unseat them. So I actually think the illuminating analogy here is the W.G.A. strike, and that is key rubber

“McNamara, said this back in the Vietnam War, that to defeat an enemy, you have to”

really understand them, and also you have to understand the incentives of play. And so going back to the W.G.A. strike, they said, all right, we're going to want strike, which means your ability to create content has been cut off. But what they didn't realize is the most powerful person on the other side of the table was Netflix, and Netflix could look around and say, okay, our Q, you know, people's playlist

is two or three years deep. I could watch Netflix for the next two or three years and still not get through my playlist. Linear TV, especially late night TV, which people tune in every night, they're not interested in watching Jimmy Kim will run down the days news from two years ago. The other streaming networks who had not been spending $18 billion a year, who had spent $10,000, $2 billion a year,

their pool was really shallow. So the most powerful person on the other side of the table had an incentive to not come to an agreement.

And the W.G.A. never recognized that they were negotiating against themselves because the

other side would pretend to care and not offend anybody and make sure this strike went on for as long as possible to see to advantage. To Netflix is everybody else, all that happened coming out of that strike was the most powerful player on the other side of the table garnered and registered additional value. And this is exactly what's going on here.

And to a certain extent, J.D. Vance would they port honey on them and send them hunting for bears because the reality is the incentive was to draw out the talks for two or three weeks, have an opportunity to maybe rearm regroup your missile launch capability, lay some more mines in the state of Hormos, but their incentive is for this thing to go longer because they have stumbled upon vis-a-vis our in our head up your astrategic planning

around not going in with allies around not securing the state of Hormos before military action. No aims, no goals, not not enabling and coordinating with our Gulf allies. Vance Ron has we have given Ron something that quite frankly is probably more dangerous and effective than enriched uranium and that is their ability to put a stranglehold on a choke

So they have an incentive for this to go longer right now that the IRGC looks to be gaining strength, not losing it through this. They have shown an ability to resist or survive this type of military action and they have stumbled upon a choke point which has given them unbelievable political leverage. They had, but didn't think they had before, and Trump's like don't block that straight,

and it'll be interesting with U.S. ships there.

“Now, this could be an economic way to squeeze them, which is important, I think, as always.”

But I'm like a ship is there, oh my god, a drone of speedboat coming towards it. You just feel like we're kind of big and right out there so open for attack in a way that they don't have to do much to really create a problem for all of us, right? So that's 15 ships sitting there, like, oh geez, this guy, this is a guy who can't

paint on America first and not this.

So I think it only hurt his political standing here and at the same time, make him crazier than ever when they don't behave, which they don't have to behave. And it's their, you know, they have the, I guess I'm the home advantage in some weird way compared, unless we really want to commit troops. I can't imagine being, I don't have sympathy for JD bands because I think he's the

“cyber truck of politicians, but they really put him like in a situation and he was not”

going to succeed in these talks and he also sent him, you know, venture capitalists with two real estate people and then apparently the guy who's leading, I was reading David Ignatius is column, I'm going to mispronounce his name, so I'm not going to leading it is one of the possible candidates to run Iran at some point very, very worldly person, high level on every, they sent apparently their best people and we sent them, which is like, I know we

probably sent experts with them too, but it's not like we aren't showing our finest diplomatic showing if we're going to have any serious, if maybe he doesn't because he said, and he's like, I don't care if it works or not, that's not something messaging from the president you like to hear, I don't know, he just keeps stepping in it because he's old. The majority of battles are one before anyone steps on the field, and that is their supply chain,

their strength, their military, their workforce advantage. This negotiation was over before it started because one group showed up with incentives to not negotiate or to extend the negotiations to Riharm, but not to come to an agreement. Now, having said that to be fair, this is, in my view, the exact right move given where we are right now, and that is that we block the state of Hormos from any Iranian ports because that will

bring European allies and China to the table, who have more to lose than we do. Now, this notion of we broke it, you fix it, it diminishes our credibility globally for a long time, but something we have taken for granted, like a lot of things we've taken for granted, that took huge sacrifice, huge resources, a lot of brave patriots from around the world, giving their lives such that we can enjoy these things.

One of those things is the freedom of maritime navigation, and that a Singapore has decided not to sequester and block and control the states of Singapore, and if you, if you start blocking

straight through the fear of military action such that it will ensure the $100 or $200 million

a cargo, that straight is blocked off. So, everybody, especially the Gulf players in most especially Russia, Iran, and China, have invested interest in the state of Hormos being open for their

“ships, so America, and I think this is the right move. Yeah, and Ignatius thought so too, but here's”

the thing, I just, these little drones and these little boats, I feel like 15 US warships yikes. I just feel like we are putting ourselves way out there, and unnecessarily, now that this is our only choice, that's the problem, I think. It just, let's be clear, not going to Congress, not enlisting Gulf allies, not enlisting European allies, not having it with a clear, exit strategy after certain military objectives were met or not met, has put us in the definition

of a quagmar. By the way, it's a quick fun fact, the mining sweeping or the demining vessels in the Navy, do you know what they're made out of? Yeah. They're made out of wood. Isn't that interesting? I said they're in the metals, they don't trust them. Then the drones, then the mines can't detect them, and then when they detect them, they're unbelievable.

They're ancient, basically ancient structures with the most sophisticated radar equipment, and when

they detect, when they detect a mine, they drop a metal figure, and then it's drawn to the metal figure and they blow it up. It's really sophisticated technology, but right now, they have to say to China and Iran. We're going to create an incentive for you to make sure that the straight is open, and a multinational force that keeps the straight open to everyone's benefit.

he's not Jesus, but like speaking of the sad situation for J&Mans, by the J&Mans happens to be

“half like so that's even better. Annie failed in Iran, which I think everyone expected.”

Despite some last-minute campaigning from him, as well as Trump's endorsement, Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban has been ousted after 16 years in power, not a good sign for the Trump people. Orban conceded defeat in the country's general election on Sunday, saying the results are painful, but unequivocal. His opponent, Peter Magiar, called the election, a miracle telling supporters that we have liberated to hungry and have taken back our country. By the way, Magiar was a loyalist

of Orban, and just broke with him over a pardon. And so it's like as if a rhino, Republican, one, essentially, he's not, you know, Mr. Liberal in any way, more than 77% of registered voters

cast ballots, amazing. The highest turnout in Hungarian elections. It's a fall of communism.

You know, it's a really interesting winner. Obviously, super handsome and kind of sexy in everything else, but he's not as liberal as you think. Let's just be clear. And he also wasn't Orban in the Orban University switched parties. But again, it's very much like, "Oh, who switched?" I don't know, George Conway becoming the president. You know what I mean? Someone who was conservative and now is, it looks as if he's not. So, George can be conservative and liberal

on different things, but he's also running for Congress, by the way. He's just an indicator of a larger move away from the far right. Obviously, Democrats can learn a lot, but this is a little different in Hungary, but it is the end of an era. And JD Vance and Trump hugged Behr hugged Orban.

“So, and so did Tucker Carlson, so did Elon Musk, that whole gang did also thoughts?”

Since the U.S. is decision to bomb Iran or increase whatever you want to call it, increase the military escalation or some people would call it a new war. This is the biggest thing that's happened in the last

month. This is Europe and a key component and a healthy, important powerful economy saying rejecting

the movement to the far right. He said nice things about the city hopes the UK rejoins the European unit. It is a huge win for Ukraine. They are pro-Ukraine and it is a huge defeat for Russia that was hoping to turn Orban and Hungary into a Russian satellite. Orban was the friction. He was headed that way. Orban was a friction in more European aid and support. Ukraine, it says something, it was symbolic that JD Vance went over there and after going over

Orban's popularity actually went down. But something even more important, or I would argue more important, have people. They had the largest turnout in the history of Hungary, more a much greater percentage of Hungarians voted than have ever voted in a U.S. election. There were people singing in the metro. There were people laughing and crying. This was,

“this was really a wonderful moment for the West. And that's still not the best thing that happened here.”

The best thing that happened and it's a real testament to Victor Orban was he conceded the election. Immediately. He said he thanked his people. He talked about Hungary and he conceded the election. And when I saw three judges seeking Senate approval to become judges and all three of those bitches. And when I say bitch, I mean someone who has a low character. I use it as an endogenous comment, refuse to acknowledge that Biden had won the 2020 election. Victor Orban

has greater character now than many of our Republican elected officials. If you do not concede elections, the very basis, the very foundation of democracy does not exist. And a right wing, some people would call fascist. And Eastern Europe had the decency and the character to concede the election. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he's, you know, the industry see what he does next. He'll probably become a right wing figure.

But it seems like right wingary is sort of on the way out. This guy is a dressed up version of a conservative for sure. But at the same time, he was, as you said, back in Ukraine was not a satellite of Russia. Let's hope he, you know, he certainly looks great. I know it's he seems young and vibrant. Orban seems old and corrupt, essentially. It'll be interesting to see which way he goes. How he deals with, well, Trump's, I think Trump is a past tense figure at this point for a lot of

these leaders. Whoever it happens to be. But it's really is interesting. And you're right. This country looked like when I saw all those crowds, all those people, I was like, oh, this guy's absolute toast and the way people are handling it. And they just, they just were sick and tired of corruption and fascism. And this, this is a country which is suffered at the hands of fascists and different difficult leaders for a long time. So what's our excuse? That's what I say.

Governor of California. What a mess.

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pasty said he would fight the quote false allegations on quote. The allegations triggered swift political fallout with Swallwell losing nearly all of his endorsements within 24 hours. The governor's race remains crowded with other leading Democrats being billionaire, Tom Styron, former Representative Katie Porter. Just so you're clear, this was started online by someone named Ms. Frasal who was who had done an interview with Swallwell and then

had gotten a lot of incoming about his behavior, which was very well known across the spectrum. I did not, but I think a lot of people within politics knew about him the same way. I think many people knew about Gonzales. Like there's a lot of men in politics that people know

their behavior, and I think this was pretty well known, which is incredible that he

walked into this race with a bomb strap to his chest. He had to have known or maybe he

“doesn't think he did anything. That's what he seems to do. So any thoughts on this? You could”

often, you could possibly see Kamala Harris come back in. I don't know. What do you think about this? Steve Hilton was ahead. What do you think is going to happen here? Well, there's two things. Notice it's in fact on the governor's race, and then what this says about the dynamic of potential or accusations in this conduct and how we're supposed to evaluate that. So I'll go in that order. I think this probably is going to make Tom Star Governor. I think the California

is still a heavily democratic state. I think if the Democrats consolidate to one or two leaders and that person gets into the general after the jungle primary, what do we call? I think the

Speaker Pelosi was waiting till there was something resembling an emerging leader here. I think it's

“Tom Star. I think she will endorse him. I think he will be one of the ones that already has.”

So is Jean Fonda, interestingly. I think he will be one of the two top candidates. He has the money. The unions don't like him, but money is more important than unions even in California. I think I think with, with Swallow dropping out in a consolidation across the Democrats, I think this is probably the moment that we'll look back on and say this is how Stire became governor.

Now, to the second issue, and we face this all the time on boards, when a senior level person

has sex with somebody, and then that person accuses them of harassment or conduct. Sometimes they're bullshit cases in opportunistic. Other times there's a power imbalance that the person takes advantage of. My view on this shit is the following. We're not here, and I hate the Democratic party for having purity tests around people having sex. I think when Al Franken or whoever gets run out of run out of dodge, such that Chris and Gillibrand can have a set. I'm not sure this is comparable.

But go ahead. You can have a seven minute run for presidency where people have extra marital affairs that in my view, you know, okay, be careful who you judge on this shit. But if you are, and this is true on boards, if you once were above a certain level of power, as a general not a general, as a red line, you fuck anybody who works here, you're out. It creates too much risk. So for me, the question is, if law enforcement needs to get involved in the

“side, if there was a crime here, in sexual assault is obviously very serious crime, you need to be”

investigated. Then have it investigated. But before that even happens, if it did you have sex

with a staffer as an elected representative, if the answer is yes, then you are out. If you're the

secretary of Homeland Security and you're fucking your number two, then you are out. If you're the attorney general in Georgia, investigating an important case against the president, and you are fucking your number two, then you are out. The staffers are there to fucking each other, not the elected representative who has power over them, because all you're doing is injecting risk into the entire organization. And there was a power imbalance. So whether or not he's guilty of sexual assault,

the crime, the legal authority should investigate that, but he should be out before that, if he was engaging in sexual relationships with the staffers, it there needs to be a clear line here. There's too much of a power imbalance. Well, what was interesting is how many people knew about it, right? He's texted me that he's wanted to come on the podcast and I wrote back, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, until there's two left, and then I'll think about who we're going,

you know, I think there's there was so many people in this jungle. Yeah, styroves teams with us trying to get on. Yeah, exactly. They were all, every one of them, every candidate in primary is whether it's Iowa or Texas or wherever they're all trying to get on these things, but I was like, well, let's just wait till there's two, which is what I told them. But I did think I was surprised to find out. And by the way, Kudos to the people online who actually handled it rather well,

it was until nobody know credible journalist from a major media organization would look into it. Now, it was broken online by this Miss Frasult who had done an interview with him and then had a lot of incoming. But she covers education, like, that's the thing. And I think a lot of the political reporters had some sense of this from what I can understand. But it was broken by the Chronicle and CNN, Pam Brown, did a report on it. I was sort of flummixed by one, why would you

run when this many things were you would be aware of things you did? And then too, why nobody in media had started to look at it because same thing with Tony Gonzalez too, like a lot of the,

“and there's more than that in Congress that I don't think that you should be on a hunt for this”

stuff necessarily, but this was really well known now in hindsight. Like, I think it was kind of healthy for the Democratic Party to speak out, right, to like people to even if they were friends with him or had endorsed him, I thought that was relatively healthy response from the Democratic Party for lots of reasons. And there should be an investigation. That's exactly what every single party in this deserves and the public should expect. And that was the only part I was sort of like

really, it was, I was, I'm not surprised, I guess I'm not surprised anytime by anything. But I was amazed by how many people within these parties, both of them, know this stuff pretty well.

That always surprises me. I don't know about you. Like, I think we need, I mean, there's just

needs to start for a form of this so continue to happen. We need citizens united to go away, we need to german here to go away. We need to pay, represent it a small well, and the other representatives, five to ten times more than they're getting paid now, such that they can do their

is actually outperforming the S&P all of a sudden. We need structural reform. And part of that

“structural reform is very clear lines. And that is, if you were a powerful senator or a”

congressperson, the moment someone comes for any, not powerful, any, 100% any, any person elected

to federal office, it's awesome to be you. You're going to go, you have the best rap at a bar. What do you do? Oh, I'm the elected congressperson from the Great State of California. Wow, I would really like to have sex with you. Wow, you, sir, we'll, we'll find a reservation for you. Sir, let us escort you to our, your plane and circumvent security. Sir, let us be, let, can you be our honored guest? Can you be the commencement speaker at your

former high school? It is awesome to be an elected federal official. One of the few downsides is that anyone who works for you, that you have power over their livelihood, you cannot have sex with.

Simple. Cut and dry. No story. No context dependent. If you decide you have feelings for each other,

then one of you needs to resign and pursue the relationship, because it creates way too much risk distraction from the important work they do. And guess what? I'm sympathetic. And by the, I don't, I'm not one of these people that doesn't believe an intro office romance. If you get a bunch of people in a close and tense environment, they're going to start having sex. It's the senior level people that have power that don't get to do it. The young people have added, as long as it's

“consensual, as long as no one feels pressured, that's what young people are supposed to be doing.”

Well, this case has more than that. This is not that. That's not this. I agree with you. Right. So, I mean, that's, that's, it's a problem. We have some common sense laws or common sense norms and standards. When, when you have this kind of power imbalance, you're injecting risk. And your fly is up and lock. You take it off campus. You want to have extra moral affairs. You want to have orgies. You want to have sex with people the same sex as you while passing anti or homophobic laws.

Fine. It's a, it's a lack of character, but you don't get expelled from Congress. You abuse your power dynamic and inject the entire office to risk you're out. Make it simpler for them. No gray area. I guess. I don't know. We'll see what happens here. It's not a great story. Anyway, it's beginning not a great story. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met with the country's top bank executives last week, along with Fed Share Jerome Palo, warning them about anthropics new

mythos model. Bessent raised concerns about cybersecurity, making sure banks are aware of the risk

taking precautions. anthropic itself has been sounding the alarm, saying mythos is so powerful.

It's potentially dangerous not to release the public yet. Instead, they're keeping it to a small group of companies to test to find. It finds vulnerabilities in all manner of places. This Bessent meeting appears to be separate from the Pentagon's clash with anthropic, which is still playing out in court. This is a problem where as these models continue to evolve in terms of staying too far ahead of the defense, the offense is much stronger than the defense. Of course,

Bessent is talking about banks about using it, but also the same time using it to protect themselves.

“What a mess. What a mess. Another mess. Yeah, I don't have a, I find the worst thing to do right now”

is to be a cabinet member going on and trying to defend these policies. I think it is the government's interest to help companies figure out as these. See, one might start to regulate these things in terms of the way we do everything else, nuclear arms, et cetera, et cetera, development of important technologies. If it's going to be dangerous to companies and let everyone in the back down or take everybody's money, it seems, I don't know, I mean, Bessent is doing the right

thing here, but it's just ridiculous that the Pentagon is then moring with anthropic, which came forward, which companies usually don't, in this case, often companies keep it to themselves until a disaster. Anyway, let's go in a quick break and we come back Sam Walton's home gets targeted in multiple attacks. Once upon a dismal day, Bob's ice cream van looked gloomy and gray, although he had big ambitions, his social-flect creative vision. Maybe Vampadepotan? I have an idea. Bob launched

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“although he had big ambitions. His socials lacked creative vision. Maybe van but up at him?”

I have an idea. Bob launched Kanna and got into gear. Create the video in of Empire team and make it the funnier as I mean, it went viral. Bob's business? I went viral. Now, imagine what your dreams can become when you put imagination to work at Kanna.com. Scott, we're back with more news. Sam Altman's home was targeted twice over the weekend, once with a suspect throwing a Molotov cocktail in the second time with a car stopping,

firing a gun at the residents lives in San Francisco. The subject in the first suspect in the first attack was later found at the opening. I had quarters threatening to burn down the building. Probably has some mental problems. Altman responded to the first attack in a blog post saying

he emphasized with anti-technology sentiments. And clearly technology isn't always good for everyone.

In the post, Sam Altman noted that the incident came a few days after the incendiary article was published about him. And the New Yorker raised in question that his trustworthiness, he shouldn't blame the article. He was an excellent article by Ronin Farrow. That's not what costs it. But nearly a third of young adults say, AI, I'm makes them angry. These are new polls. You know, this is unfortunately where it leads these, and to blame using the word incendiary,

it was really unfortunate on Altman's behalf. But there is, you know, this is, I hate to blame someone for what's happening because anyone that uses violence should be widely derided by everybody. But it still is, this is how it goes. I used to say this to them. If you don't,

if you don't do something about this, you're going to have to armor plate your tests,

really, it's unfortunate. Like, people start to get really violent. It's what it worked, often leads to your thoughts. I just think, I mean, it's from your red lines here, we just can't, we can, in any way, justify, we have to move swiftly against any violence against

“any citizen. And I know, I'm not a fan of Sam Alman. I think Big Tech is not tremendous damage”

in these CEOs. I've done tremendous damage to the United States, and most importantly, to our youth, ripping at the fabric of America, we have to have zero tolerance for violence against them. And any fashion. Absolutely. I don't like Sam Alman. I think he's, we were talking about the soft mic earlier when you were on my podcast. I think there are a few people who have seen such a 180 in the brand in such a short span of time. Effectively, the brand March of tech executives

is they're very likable, they're very charming. We need to do better. She should run for president. Oh, I love her book, lean in. And then over time, we find out that they make a bunch of incremental decisions that are bad for America, such that they can get richer and richer. And eventually they turn into a Vaughan villain. That March is usually about a 7 to 10 year March. For Sam Alman was 18 months. Remember Sam was the more thoughtful guy with the Hushtons.

Like, there are really, really, we are very concerned about some of the implications of AI. We need to know. Oh, Senator, I don't, I don't own any of that. That's Dario now. I don't own any equity in an open AI. Oh, what a guy. This nice young gay man in T-shirts who seems to be the caring tech CEO. Okay. I just want to go on record as saying,

“this guy's going to, this guy will say, say, or do anything to make more money. That's why they”

go into this business. There are easier ways to find self-satisfaction than running a tech company right now. You're there for the money. You get tremendous pressure and obligation to represent your shareholders. You want to win. It is a thunder dome. It is easy to understand why they get there. The real failure is there is absolutely no regulation on these individuals. And so when people start coming at them, I don't like it when people start yelling insults

verbally at JD Vance. I think there has to be a level of civility and safety such that we work things out at a government level. And I know there's a lot of people who disagree with my views on Israel. People don't assault me verbally on the street. I feel like I'm poking the bear here. I think it's important. I saw Senator John Tune in Nantucket. I went up to him and I thanked him for his service. I don't agree. I disagree with almost everything he does.

One of the hallmarks of a progressive society that we all want to live in

is we recognize we're all Americans. And as long as we're operating with the content within the confines of the law, which quite frankly, Sam Altman isn't. That's the problem. There aren't any laws. He deserves to live in this in safety. Yeah, let me say he shouldn't have blamed the article for it. This was a really well-reported article. Did not suddenly people don't hate Sam Altman because of this article. They have these

feelings and unstable people act on them because of perceived repatiousness by tech companies. It's probably a mentally young man. That's correct. Who read about Sam Altman. The guy who killed John crazy people are drawn that they believed in an in a historic active violence. It will restore or give them social capital.

“Yep. That's why they do it. I don't know anything about this individual, but there's a very good”

chance. It's someone who's isolated and is hoping to gain social capital through what they see is a heroic act of violence. And the FBI and our security apparatus need to ensure that famous people can walk the streets and have some semblance mild home. I bought a home in San Francisco and I bought it for $720,000 and two years later I wanted to move to New York and I sold it for $950,000 and thought it was a fucking real estate genius. That home ended up being

next to the home where ultimately is no longer there now so you don't need to look up to address.

But it ended up being the home next to where Mark Zuckerberg lived in San Francisco and the neighborhood. And now my home is where his security detail lived. Oh, yeah. Because they basically started blocking off the block. I know it's my neighborhood. So after that election in the Netherlands and I love this, the prime minister stepped down and then got on his bike and wrote away. We live in a such peaceful society when I'm done.

I got on a bike. I mean, I like they they win. They win. They tell you they're covered by security. He doesn't need his kids escorted to school. I have been unfortunately seeing the need for it. They do need it. It's really crazy. But one of the things was I was like,

we got to deal with what's happening here. You're going to have crazy people attracted to you.

It's going to happen because it's inevitable and with just the enormous wealth, the same thing.

“It's really creates real problems. But you should not whoever did these things are considering”

it. We were horrible people. That's how you deal with problems. There's lots of ways to deal with problems. And even if you feel desperate, you should seek help. The anger needs to be funneled towards the ballot booth. That's right. And that is, I need people who will keep these people in check. I need people that when Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk piece out the Florida and Texas, that there are elected representatives who will figure out a way to tax the earnings they

are created from the great states of Washington and from California. I need people who will ensure that social media is gated. There's no reason people under the age of 16. But be clear folks. If you're waiting on the better angels, that these tech executives just show up, don't hold your breath. And then when they take advantage of the system and create massive wealth, that is not a cost for violence. We do have to acknowledge there is an huge act. I get yelled at

“for not stopping Elon Musk before. And I get more than yelled at like threatened. So I don't know”

what to say. It's not the way to handle these things. Anyway, lastly, a quick grab bag of other topics. I'd like to hit over a thousand Hollywood heavyweeds to release a letter opposing paramount acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery, saying the deal would harm the industry. Paramount responded to the letter by saying we hear and understand the concerns of some in our creative community, have raised and respect the commitment to protecting and expanding creativity. This transaction

uniquely brings together complementary strengths to create a company that can greenlight more projects. Back bold ideas support talent across multiple stages of their careers and brings stories to audiences of truly global scale while strengthening competition by entering multiple scale players and investing and creative talent. They also said they're going to, they continue their commitment to increasing output to a minimum of 30 high quality feature films with full

theatrical releases, continuing to license content and brands. And they said we understand the concerns we're going to do what we say. Scott and I do not believe them, but they're reestablishing their commitment to it. Very quickly Scott, reaction. Where's this going? Also Europe is looking like it's going to possibly block part of it. Slow going, they'll eventually get it through ice. And what is the greatest movie of all time? Obi-Wan Jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi feels a disturbance in

the forest because the planet of Alderon is killed by a space laser in millions of people screamed. If this deal goes through, you're going to hear millions of people in the creative community

community we've ever seen. There is no way they can justify this price if they don't implement the

“AI that they believe will give them the efficiencies they need to justify this price. So I've been”

saying this for three months. Why the where the fuck are the unions? So if it should have gone the way they were going to do it, which was spin off CNN and spin off the studios and then maybe do acquisitions a piece of it that made economic sense. They're too fucking late. This letter should come out. They should have said to Ellison and also the Gulf States and the people financing this deal. The day this goes through, you are not going to get a single piece of content made.

This is unworkable for us. Absolutely. And next one, Elon Musk gave $10 million to two major

Republicans superpacks at the end of last year according to Camping Finance disclosure, then the FTC investigated ad firms that it's clear Twitter as they are allowed to do in those firm just settled to make it all go away. I just this is he's been using FCC the FTC in all manner of ways, including Marco Rubio around the center for countering digital hate in order to get his B1 that he can't win in court. And the FTC does this and these firms finally just settle, even though it's within

their right not to not to advertise on an ad an Nazi porn bar. The quick thoughts. It goes back to the same thing that's two things. You need you need structural reform. He's allowed to do this until we get rid of citizens united. Billionaires are going to continue to control more. Billionaires and corporations are going to continue to to leak or we're going to continue to leak capital from labor in the middle class and consumers to billionaires and corporations because of their ability

to strategically weaponize government. 300 people now are responsible for a fifth of all packs manning and guess what they can deploy wherever they need it strategically. The best ROI in history. I've said this personally. I give a little bit of money to politicians. I'm shocked. I don't mind that they're horrors, which shock me is which he pours down. She pours when I give you. You don't expect the FTC in the FCC.

I don't ask for any. But my point is. Usually those agencies didn't do this and now they absolutely look. This has been going on for a while. These guys are more brazen about it and quite frankly more efficient about it. There needs to be an absolute restriction. Until citizens united is overturned. We're going to have more and more of this. Also, until this stray corruption, it used to be more opaque, but I've said, if I had someone

“in prison who I wanted out, I think for between one and three million dollars through a third”

party, I could get them out within 24 months. Yeah, the head of the FTC and the head of the FCC really are our creatures of these of the Elon Musk essentially and others.

And a federal judge has dismissed President Trump. He doesn't always win 10 billion dollars

lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal, which claimed the paper to fame Trump. With the story saying he had sent the birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein, the courts keep pushing back at Trump on all, you know, in this case the journal fought as opposed to CBS and settled or other ABC CBS settled. So it looks like the journal has a real victory here. You know, I think good thing. I mean, what a stupid. He does all these stupid nuisance cases

and loses them. We've been really weak on government corruption. The one that silver lining here, the thing that's holding is first amendment. It does feel like both Trump appointees and appointees before Trump are saying free speech is paramount and we're

yeah, we're going to throw this out. The problem is, is enough suits creates a chill. I was

talking to a producer of a of a very popular show and they said, we're checking everything now, double triple checking and occasionally with some things on the margin, we don't print it because we're freaked out. So, but it does appear when these things do go to court. They are universally swatted away. Absolutely. We'll see where that goes. He doesn't have much time. Trump does not have much time. All right, Scott, one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails.

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“Let's hear some wins and fails. Would you like to go first?”

August 1st. So my win is Care Switcher wants to live forever. I was pleasantly surprised. I really wish. I knew you would do a good job, but I was really surprised quite frankly. The production values. It feels cinematic. The colors, the cinematography. It was, it felt very rich for lack of a better word. It felt like, and you know what I felt like? I thought that could have easily been an original scripted series on Apple TV. It felt very, very, very, very rich. So

congratulations. I think it's nice for you. I know you've been a lot of time on it. And I really,

I've only seen the first episode, but I really enjoyed it. And it airs Saturday night at 10.

What does it mean? Nine. No. And less J.D. Vance. And less J.D. Vance. Scott Scott, I remember. That made me so happy. I know it. Oh my God, I turned it on. I turned it on because I want, I want you to have good numbers. And I turned on both TVs. I don't know if the count of twice. And then I said J.D. Vance, I'm like, this has to be, I'm like, I love the C carousel face when she saw J.D. Vance at her in our slides. We laughed. You know, we had an extra cup. We had a party. We were having a party in DC,

Tammy had it ran it. And we had a copy of the show so we were able to show it to people. But first

“we're like, oh, fuck. And the thing is, CNN had a picture of a door. Did you see that for an hour?”

There was the door. The J.D. Vance was behind. And so just the door. Where do you came out and said,

"We've got nothing to accomplish." Yeah. I know. Yeah. All right. That's my, thank you, sweetie. That's my win. My, my fail out. It's not even a sign of fail. I have two wins. Like, the election in Hungary is so huge and so wonderful on a lot of levels. But my win is Victor Orban. If a fascist who ruled for 16 years can concede an election, so can we. So can we. And think about what we have done in this country, if you had a team, a basketball team and a head coach, and they lost 68 to 72. And then the

head coach refused to shake the hand, told his team, we won the game, told the media, we won the game, refused to show up for the, the metal ceremony or whatever it was, would you decide to make that guy, the head of the league? If we can't have the piece of transfer of power, none of this other shit matters. And Victor Orban, who I'm not a fan of, who I am not a fan of, understood, understood. He said his word now. He's only 62, so okay. But he said, Orban said he can grant, he called to

congratulate. Maggers. Is that his name? Maggers. And he wrote, Orban said the responsibility and possibility of governing was not given to us. I mean, a simple line, a simple line. This guy showed more fidelity to democracy than not only our corrupt president, but so many of the people who want to be a judge are willing to do right now. So it's a strange win, but my win goes to Victor Orban for conceding an election. I am so thrilled for the Hungarian people. It is an inspiration,

the way they have, and it also, quite frankly, it votes really well for us, because we are a lot more connected. That's right. Yeah, we have to. Let's see, JD, when you lose the presidency, you better act like that. Anyway, I have a fail. I usually like when women say their pace, but I thought two women is weak, weren't so great. Melania Trump made a rare speech to talk about. Yeah, that was weird.

“It had so much what the fuck any fuck. It was what the hell? Why is she talking about this?”

There was a story, and then it's just because she's mad about it. She doesn't, she's like, I was not a paid escort or sex trafficked, you know, and it's like, well, I think she wants to

No, I was like, you still, you were like, okay, so you went through a marriage broker kind of thing. I was like, she didn't do that, but, you know, I think she wants to, I don't know what she was doing. I thought what in the actual fuck is happening here. And, you know, they say Trump didn't know, but there's such like, I was like, what is happening? And why is he acting back? Like, oh, good. Let's talk about Epstein, and then I think she like,

crapped on those, the real survivors who really did suffer because, you know, just to get her a little piece out there, and what a selfish person she was. Well, she is, what am I talking about? And then this strange profile of Lawrence Sanchez in the New York Times, which Katie Kirk had the best reaction is, were you forced to do this assignment to the writer Amy Cho said, I didn't know why she was telling one how happy she is, which is great, but I don't know what it was there for. There was nothing to

hang in on, I guess, the mechala. I'm not sure, but it was like so tone deaf. Like, I'm really happy

and in our $230 million house, and Florida, we talk do gratitude to each other, everyone.

Just more of this sort of performative romance with Bezos is so picky. I just find it.

“I just didn't understand it. Can you remember that line from broadcast news? It's one of the”

greatest lines in movie history. Tell me, I love that movie. Where William Hurd says to Albert Brooks, what happens when your real life exceeds your wildest dreams? And Albert Brooks turns and says, keep it to yourself. Keep it to yourself. And my dad, I've been thinking, you know, I love this statement and I use it as one of the definitions of masculinity, are you optimizing for attention or service? And Lawrence Sanchez from everything I've heard is a really nice woman. People who know or say

wonderful things about her. Yep, they do. You have an amazing life. Keep it to your fucking self.

Talking about your amazing life in virtue signaling, it's like, I have a buddy who is so successful,

such a good friend, such a good citizen, and he's a fucking disaster when it comes to his relationships. And I said to him, I said, don't you have any really good friends that can tell you what they think of what you're doing? Who saves you from yourself? Nobody here. And if she, and this is the same thing with Lawrence, like, don't you have any friends to say to you, go girl, have an amazing life, do good things with your money. Take care of your parents,

take care of your community, give money away. You don't need articles in the New York Times, talking about what a spiritual, wonderful person you are and how wonderful your relationship is. There's no, it's just going to make you look like an asshole. I don't, that's my question, Cara, don't these people have friends? Especially as the x-wife of Jeff Bezos just gave

$70 million to meals on wheels and never set a word about herself. I mean, about the mugs they

have were funk or funk. I mean, she needs friends. Well, she has friends. She's the wrong friends. Lauren, call us up. We'll help you. We'll bring you back down to earth, but I don't think she cares. I think she, she could do so much good. And instead, she's, I just don't know. It's something I start with. My dad told me just, I started to get some success before he passed away.

“And the last thing he said to me that really stuck with me was he said, the key to happiness in America”

is to be rich and anonymous. And he said, "Well, you said to me a long time ago, Scott, I loved when you said that to me." And he said to me, he said, "Because I'm really happy that you've achieved just for the former. I'm worried about the latter." Oh, you don't appreciate the value of anonymity. Well, too bad, too late. But if you ever do an interview about us cuddling and doing gratitude. I gave her a mug. I gave her a mug. I gave her a mug. It said, "Did said,

did you look like Rachel Maddo's account?" No, Rachel Maddo's mechanic. That's the next Tuesday, mug. Oh my god. Aren't we adorable? I know we're adorable. I know we are adorable. Adorbs. Um, my win is another outspoken woman hacks is a couple final season. I saw the first episode. It's so good. Gene Smart. Hannah, I'm Bender. The whole friggin cast. It's about a woman who talks out loud and is so wonderful. I just love it, love it, love it. And I just, I recommend everybody

watch this last season. The whole team there is spectacular. There's not, they, and they all share in the wonderfulness. And I have to say it's very sweet. It's about a family. It's about, anyway, Gene Smart is really a woman I'd like to have keep talking. And by the way, her speech in last season was so prescient about companies trying to quiet performers and comedians and stuff like that. So I thought that was amazing. So please watch it. It's worth it.

It's on HBO Max. Um, my favorite, when am I favorite lines? They're going to name a street after you. It'll probably be a dead end with an abortion clinic. Um, just beautiful writing. Um,

“anyway, those, those are the kind of things I, I think you should pay attention because you'll make”

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CNN series, Garus Fisher wants to live forever on the top of the longevity. I talked to a panel of experts, including journalist Katie Kirk. She talked about why people seem more inclined to trust dubious wellness claims. Then doctors obviously Katie was really well known for being one of the first people will call attention to colon cancer. She had her husband died of this and she had a colon us be on on camera speaking of power broadcast news back then. It was really important to

bringing down cancer rates. Really amazing things she did and continues to do. Let's listen to a

“clip. People want answers. And honestly, they, they often don't like the answers that they get.”

You know, they want to believe they, you know, my choice hurt. I want to believe that collagen is going to make me less achy when I get up in the morning. I want to believe that I'm going to be more flexible with collagen, you know? And so I think that that people,

you know, are grasping for ways to feel better. And I think there is a lot of suffering out there.

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