RFK Jr.'s Bash Clash, AI's "Jurassic Park" Moment, and Elon's Midterm Millions

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Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the box media podcast network. I'm Cara Swisher. And I'm Scott Galloway. Do you think people were tuning in today hoping to get someone else? No, it's not Scott Galloway. Scott, I thought he was gone. I know you thought it was Scott Rihogas, but he's wanted to stay an extra day.

Yeah, that's what happened here. It's a sad thing when you go away, but at the same time, I get to date. You know, we have an open relationship. I get it, as long as I can watch.

“And that's what I do, the next thing I have to listen to.”

You do, you always say like, well, that person is good.

I get texts from Scott. Like, hmm, hmm, let me give you a little listing of who's coming onto the thing. All right, it's a good one this year. We had a good one last year, but this is really good. We have Hillary Clinton opening the show later this week.

My hero. You've heard of her. Dissecretary. Dissecretary, she's very excited. She's hoping to displace you.

We have Kevin Ruse and Casey Newton, who have recently left the New York Times to strike out on their own. We have Chelsea Hamler, who's a Chelsea. She's so excited to, like, say, any ways and a number of things. We have Adam Mochler. I think the 23-year-old Wonder Kid?

Wonder Kid, yeah, he's a smart one at the other. We have Mr. Mark Cuban. We have Mr. Mark. Yeah, that's going to be a smart one. So much to talk about.

We have Roy Wood Jr. Who was up, he's a combat. He's amazing. He does have I got news for you. He's at a movie.

He's on the daily show. He was. He was. But now he does have I got news for. I love him.

I think he's so smart. He's very sharp. Guess who else we have? The very fine Caitlyn Collins. Caitlyn's coming on.

“Yeah, just recently appearing in Donald Trump's”

screamed at me, and I maintained exquisite poids. That's she's coming on. Yeah, we have Jennifer Welch. I've had it. She's very funny.

Is she the one from Oklahoma? Yes, she's from Oklahoma. Oh yeah, yeah, I went on the podcast like a couple years ago. The angry women from Red State. Yeah, but they're funny.

But they're funny.

They're like always drinking and making comments.

And then we have someone with the most amazing hair. Jacob's sober off from MS now. He has a new show that he's really handsome. He's a great reporter. Do you know him?

He has like exquisite hair. I've heard his name from you. I'm looking up. Yeah. Oh yeah, he looks like the dude from nobody wants us.

He looks like a handsome Jewish kid. Yeah, he's a really. That's probably a hate crime. No, he's really a great woman. What do you hear from Jewish people look at him?

Can Jewish people insult Jewish people? That's interesting. I'm insulting him by saying his handsome. Jesus Christ is born in 1983. What do you say?

What do you want? God, it's one of 2003. Oh, wait, the one time I make them. I'll fuck that makes them old. I which makes me age.

Yeah, yeah, how do you like the list? It's a good list, isn't it? It's a great list. But I'll miss you. Thank you for saying that.

Yeah, it sounds like you're broken up about it. I'm really enjoyed our recent shows. I think they're very bracing.

Bracing. Bracing.

But they speaking of bracing.

“Did you catch Dana Bash's interview with RFK Junior in Sunday?”

I mean, let's listen to an exchange about childhood vaccines. An autism in which he sounded like a rapid raccoon. I also trying to find out how it interacts with people's DNA, what's predisposed to have an autistic child. Are you doing both?

Yeah, but Dana, you probably don't understand this because you're not a scientist, but Jesus, not either. I understand. You're a statement. You have been fooled.

Your statement that this has been studied is not true. He was lying there. It was full of errors. He was crazy. He was also aggressive physically.

I thought Dana handled it beautifully. He seemed insane. And thoughts?

“I'm all for if, and this is not ridiculous, if Fox News can literally pollute litter, defecate”

all over the cabinet, then my attitude is okay, let's go to cable news. We get to know them. We get to see their intellect. I thought that in the last week, Caitlin Collins, Dana Bash, and Margaret Brennan demonstrated his skill.

I think a lot about this. I do not have this skill. I really don't.

And people don't realize what an incredible skill it is.

And that is in a prompt to add, you know, sort of, ad hoc, audible, quick on your feet, way to push back in a forceful, yet dignified way. I mean, these three women, they put on a master class because, and I'll come back to his comments. I mean, no surprise, he's full of conspiracies, theory has absolutely no scientific background.

But the thing that struck me was just how adept, the, the, the, the, a plume, you know, people should post in the cable news doesn't matter anymore. Some of the most talented people in media are still in those seats. Yeah, this is important. This was important to me.

The way that, the way that Dana was able to forcefully push back, but not be disrespectful, and also what Margaret was able to do with that village idiot that said, the accusations against Max Miller shouldn't be fodder for media. It's like, oh, bitch, the media talks about every elected official that has accusations like this.

I mean, that was just such weak sauce. And she was able to say just very quietly and elegantly or softly now that, well, actually we cover these stories from both political parties all at the time. I thought Dana was outstanding, and in the moment that stuck out to me and I'll turn it back to you was when he raised his fingers for finger quotes, and then said the experts.

I was like, well, okay, who are we supposed to trust, of course we trust experts. Expert means you have certification, you've done the diligence, you have the domain expertise and perhaps you've devoted your life to not only trying, okay, it's arrogant to say they have the right answers, but they have the least wrong answers of anyone because they've devoted their life to understand the shit and the thing about quote unquote scientists

that doesn't get enough play. The impaired research, if a younger academic comes along and challenges your views and is right, academic celebrated, they're like, that's great. We've made this better. They don't double down and say, no, my, my now incorrect information is the right way.

And so let me ask, the question I would have is, who's he going to put in between these air quotes, then?

“They were supposed to listen to some housewife who got a following on TikTok?”

Of course we would listen to experts, that's a whole fucking point.

Yeah, I would, I thought this was really a critical interview.

Now, interesting, that he's obviously running for president, he just posted a picture of him sailing, except he's like a, like speaking of TEMO, JFK, he was, he's trying, he's running for office. Let's just be fair. Let me just tell you, Cheryl Heinz is no Jackie Kennedy.

You mean the marvelous Mrs. Measle? Yeah. Right. I love that. Yeah, the sky is like this brand is Measle's and a raw milk and rabbit raccoons.

No, you forgot exploding diarrhea. The exploding diarrhea. Yeah. And she was trying to get answers out of him, but he was, he was blaming everything on the Biden administration.

I don't know how you could, like, exploding diarrhea on the button, he took no responsibility for the Measle's outbreak, which is unprecedented, if you see the charts, it's like thousands now versus like three, a small amount of Measle's. He took no responsibility, he was screaming, he seemed insane.

he's, he's a dangerous person, I think, in a lot of ways. And very volatile, clearly, you know, his history of drug use is like on display, like

it's never gotten help for it in the way he needs.

And it's just, it was a really disturbing interview, but I thought, Danny, and I thought, Margaret with, this is Mike Turner, who is the person. And by the way, speaking of someone who really failed on his video was Max Miller himself, where he said, do you think if I was hitting her, I'd have made me dinner, yes, actually, that's like the classic abuse wife syndrome, he looks terrible.

His father-in-law burning Marino, who is a senator, finally, slapped back as a father and a grandfather to him and called him psychologically ill, essentially. He had apparently been threatened because there's rumors he's gay, but Max Miller actually

“explicit, implicitly threatened him really with outing him, I think, that's what it was”

doing. And the whole thing is so sorted and grotesque, but they think they're going to flip that seat, that Max Miller seat.

And he had had previous relationship with Stephanie Grisham, who was talked about him being

abusive this guy. And then they, you know, they, of course, they're going to start to surface all his various drunken abuse stuff that he, it has, there was pictures of him in college. This is a two troubled people, Marov K. Jr., and then, you know, I just think a lot of these interviews in Catelyn, of course, last week have been, you're right, dignified, answered

a question, please answer the question, here are the facts, and they've done a great job. I think there are certain red lines, I think the left needs to come up with an aspirational vision of masculinity. Otherwise, that boy, it'll be filled by really by dominance and misogyny from the right.

And one of those things, I think, is, is a move to protection, the whole point of, of massing a certain amount of strength and power is such that you can protect others. That's a whole shitting mass. That is the ends, and when someone insults your wife's looks, you don't support them for president, Senator Tan Cruz.

That's a red line. Yeah, that's it. You're up.

“That, you don't need to be a senator, you need to be a husband.”

And if, if there is anything, anything resemble, I do believe in due process, I do think in our society, we have a tendency that the accusation is the conviction, I do think, innocent until proven guilty, but on certain accusations, when there is a ton of corroborating evidence in a fact pattern, when the daughter of your daughter, if there's evidence that this individual broke a two-year-old's collarbone, you don't wait and focus to be test this

and get worried about being outed for having an account where you were soliciting possibly soliciting for gay sex. That's it. You use the whole point of a massing that power, even if you have to spend it all, even if you lose the power, even if you get voted out of the whole point of a massing that

power is to protect the people close to you. And these aren't men, these aren't, yeah, these aren't men, these are, these are, the whole point of power is so you can protect your wife and your granddaughter and your daughter. And the fact that you waited this long to say anything, it's like Jesus Christ dude, what's the point of all of this, you know, the whole thing is really gross, and actually

it's very on-brand for these people, aggressive, dunking, angry, I don't feel that someone that you got dunked on by Spencer Perth. Oh my gosh, you sent that to me. That made my weekend. Oh my god.

And the tweet hold on, Scott Galloway is a perfect example of perhaps the most pernicious people in society.

So first off, he doesn't know pernish.

What's the over-under-on? He actually understands the word pernish. I don't think he wrote it. Anyways, I'm sorry guys. Scott Galloway is a perfect example of perhaps the most pernish people in society, the stupid

smart person, educated beyond his intelligence, smart enough vocabulary to justify his ego and smugness, but too stupid to understand basic realities of communists, smart people. Okay, this is what stupid people do trying to use AI. This was so clearly written by AI.

Why did he pick you up? Isn't your bill more than? I don't, I literally have no idea, I know. You were very supportive, Fauci, and because you just slightly laughed at him, Bill Marge, they were like giving you a hard time.

“But it was like, I think it was must have been Bill Marge, he must have seen you, right?”

For the Mumbani doxing thing. Maybe the Mumbani doxing. Why would he go or with with you like the Mumbani doxing thing? I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't what prompted him, I was like, I can say is in the reason I'm dead.

I don't know more on many times when he was running at it. As FDR said, please judge me by my critics. Spencer, if you're out there, please continue to shit post me, I, I, I, there are a few

I'm not on Twitter, so I don't care what people say about me there. So I don't, yeah, but I didn't, I was trying to figure out, I'm like, when, who decided let's go after Scott now? I don't know.

“And anyways, but look, he lost to a socialist and incompetent, I think he's fading”

into the distance and he's desperately clinging to some form of relevance by shit posting people. Had a reality show of him running for mayor, and I guess that's over, he must have muttoned choices. He's going to pick some fights.

Anyway, Spencer, you're a Pratt, ah, that's a British term for idiot. Anyway, it made me laugh my ass off when I saw it. Yeah, I, I noticed you were the first person to forward it to me. What? I was like, what?

I was someone said it to me, I was like, who, like it was such a, like, why is he bothering Scott? I mean, there's so many more worthy people to bother Scott, you know, on the regular, but this was weird. Anyway, congratulations, we got to take it into, let's get to actual things, big

tech earnings. Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft added a combined 1.5 trillion in value, falling Q2 earnings

“of note, Amazon sales totaled over $880 billion up from 13% for your earlier and”

met as profit was down 14% from the previous year as a company's CapEx forecast for the year increased to $130 billion, well, recording ahead of SpaceX's earnings on Tuesday, speaking of SpaceX. Tesla executives have already been told to separate the companies, China business ahead of a potential merger with SpaceX, which I predicted here, Elon dismissed the report of

SpaceX news, which means it's true. So talk a little bit about any predictions on SpaceX earnings and you're going to be on vacation. So give us a guess about the stock prices when you return. So let's start with Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft.

These companies are just incredibly well-run and continue to, I mean, that, that, as someone who loves earnings reports and I read these things, and I'm just sort of consistently blown away. Amazon AWS sales jumped 37% that's as fast as graphics in 2021, blowing past the 31% consensus,

total revenue across $200 billion for the first time in a single quarter, net income

get this carousel, $245% now most of that or a lot of that is from, these firms have become now tracking stocks for, for their investments or for some, for AI, because 53 billion of of that was for the profit investment game. Investment game. So it couldn't, could not be possibly not real, eventually.

Okay. Well, not recurring. Or it's all above, right? Not structural. Unless they continue to be great VCs to get it, they would argue we're going to continue

to have access to these types of investments, but they're not VCs. This isn't the businesses. They're in, so the market typically discounts these types of one-time gains. Cassie raise CapEx guidance to $220 billion, like in their stock was up, Amazon stock was

a dramatically meta, revenue reached $60 billion up 20% their EPS missed estimates by 14%.

Because my guess is because they keep increasing CapEx as they're now double, he is making a bet. Yeah, they're fully in this AI capital war. He confirmed a meta's feeling by out of office for its compute, hinting at an eventual cloud business and infrastructure business.

I think this is a really big story. And that is everyone's moving from the front end to providing infrastructure. I wonder if it's flipping. Analysts call the AI monetization answers vague, even as CapEx guidance rose, and shares tumble as much as 11%.

So this really was a tale of two cities. Microsoft revenue hit $90 billion up, $18 per cent. While EPS was a bead, Azure passed 100 billion in annual revenue going 43%. Co-pilot seats doubled sequentially to over 30 million up from 20 million. The thing that's interesting there is a work or an investor in a company called section

that helps companies upskill their AI. And the general consensus among companies is that co-pilot is probably the weakest of the AI products. And yet what people don't realize is when you have a recurring revenue relationship and sales people and someone saying, "No one wants a future."

You may not have the best front to your model, but guess what? You have a recurring revenue relationship with us and integrates into your workflow. And also, we're very security minded. You really want to take a chance on this new AI. It's not the best model.

Yeah.

“Well, that's what they do with everything.”

That was an experiment. That's Microsoft, right? That's Microsoft. It's good. It's good enough.

Good enough was always the Microsoft thing, and they are actually, I'm finding I use out

a bit search for a lot of AI's answers. Their CapEx guidance dropped a bit. Their commercial backlog, climb 84% to 680 billion. The only thing here, but this, again, speaks to how smart they are investing in the growth areas of technology.

Their legacy products are eroding as Windows devices fell 7% in Xbox content drop 10%.

are struggling with the same thing that most media companies legacy products. But the thing is, Warner Brothers Discovery, or, or, or, you know, name the company Paramount, they also don't have TikTok or Instagram reels. These companies early recognize that some of their legacy assets are declining, and where they're so brilliant as they take that cash flow, and they invest really adeptly, it definitely

in the future. I mean, these companies, it's just crazy how well.

And then finally, Apple revenue hit 109 billion up 16%, with iPhone sales climbing 22% to 54

billion.

“Apple got dinged a little bit, because some of the earnings were terror-related, right?”

Correct. They got money back, or some of them. There was a little, it lost a little action. Well, they're about to get $2 billion of refund check on tariffs, the consumers have already paid for.

So, what do they pay for the $2 billion? I mean, that, that thing is just so inefficient and so stupid. This is revenues was a miss, which I think took the stock down, and cook warned memory driven supply constraints will worsen through the holiday quarter. His final call is CEO, and by the way, the guy deserves to take just the biggest of all

victory laps. EPS, beat estimates, 11 cents of that came from a one-time tariff refund. Shares dropped roughly 7%, because the tariff thing they were in guidance. But the stock has just been an unbelievable consistent performer.

“I have to say of all the companies, if someone asks me, who's going to win the anything?”

I'm not sure number the other one, but it's half of that 100%.

So this quarter just validated again, Google has never dead.

Revenue hit 120 billion up 24% beating the consensus 117 billion. Business everyone assumed AI chat butts would gut specifically search groups 17%. So the notion that the bear case on Google, the chat GPT and Proplexity would eat search, it just isn't showing up in the numbers. Cloud is now the real story, not search.

Let me say they scrambled, they were behind and they scrambled to get up. Google Cloud revenue climbed 82% to 25 billion with operating income. To grow a business 82 billion, well, um, sorry, 82% while maintaining 33% operate. I mean, that's just, that's staggering. So it's a cloud business that's going from an all-surround to profitable at scale, which

is hard to do.

Cloud backlog grew to 514 billion.

“So sooner, Pachai, he's the next Jim Cook.”

I think the overhang is capex. And that is the stock sank and extended trading is alphabet raised. They're capex guidance to 200 billion from the prior 180 billion. That was a number. And quarterly free cash flow went negative at 5.9 because 45 billion in capex, how

paste operating cash flow. This is the same tension we're seeing across most of the big tech with the exception of Apple and that is, okay, we get that AI works, but will AI pay in the capex, your allocating, will we see the type of return you're expecting. But alphabet, these earnings, cleanest illustration of a great quarter stock putt in

stand-away because the results were, I mean, I saw the results is just being strong on any said. Yeah, the one tech company suffering for too much spending and too much debt is Oracle continues to talk and cut in half the last two months. Keep going.

Yeah, they're the ones people that people trust who will return it to be able to keep. Well, not that Oracle's other business, their legacy business is hurting, but people are questioning their spending and their debt is close to John. Look, which is interesting. And a lot of debt, a lot of debt, Larry, sure you want to buy by Warner, anyway, SpaceX.

So, it'll file its first earnings report. It's going to be really interesting. It'll also, the more interesting thing that probably the earnings will be that it'll be, it'll unlock the largest insider share sale and market history now. Often times when people are scared of shares being unlocked for sale, the markets were

anticipated that, but the company reports after market close on the fourth, and the report triggers a lock-up release, letting insider sell, get this, 912 million shares per cent. It's a big percentage. And get this. The options markets are pricing a 15% swing in either direction after results.

And roughly, 290 million shares are sold short, raising the odds of a squeeze if results would be-- - It's sticking right now, but it's down. In one month, it's down 31%, essentially, 6 months, 31 year to date, 31 years. It's been cut in half since, and since, in today, peak up to 25, and it's 20% below, it's IPO listing price of $135, so it's technically a broken IPO.

the roadshow to guarantee an early beat when ever I've been on a board where we take a company public.

We basically lock the first quarter earnings call that it'll be a beat.

- So prediction? Give me prediction first. We'll test the beat, fold it in, and-- - Well, you said it. This is your prediction.

You said that you think Tesla will be folded, and then you're planning to put all of it under one roof.

“- Yeah, and that's why Tesla shares are holding above 300.”

I think it had crashed if that wasn't a possibility. But what do you-- okay, SpaceX prices, I'm on 10 right now. When you return from the art's so short-- so as much as I like to ship both SpaceX, if I were to make a bet, it would be that it'll be a significant pop because of all the short selling, and anything but bad news will result in a short squeeze.

It sends the stock up temporarily, but it'll be a sugar high, and the stock will resume its downward march. But on earnings, unless there's a surprise to the downside, which there shouldn't be on the first earnings call, any glimmer of like, oh, maybe there's some, you know, this is a great company.

Any buying is like a bunch of people trying to get through a crowded door because so many people are short of the stock. So if I have to predict, on after hours, after hours, a bit of a short squeeze and up, and then it quickly resumed its downward march. - Yeah, and also Elon's behavior, so far, he's had a pretty bad couple of weeks.

Maybe if Gwen shot, well, he's the one talking, maybe if he shuts up, that would work. He's really boasting a lot of crazy shit right now, like, do you have anything else to do, but post crazy shit? I mean, it's not the Spencer Pratt level crazy, but still. All right, let's go on a quick break when we come back, AI hacks and cyber chaos.

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It's been called Cybersecurity's Jurassic Park Moment, which is kind of frightening, and not the good part of the movie. And Thropic says that its models hacked into three outside companies during testing. The news comes just days after Open Act revealed one of its AI agents escaped a test involved in the hack to startup outing phase.

The hacks are increasing pressure on the White House to address AI security, Trump signed an executive order in June asking a company to voluntarily submit their most powerful models for government testing before releasing them publicly, but there's still no real AI regulation from the administration or Congress, what a surprise.

“This cyber chaos era is really, I think, problematic and dangerous given the lack of AI regulation”

and speaking of cyber attacks, something that Nicole Pro Roth told me in a recent interview that was going to happen.

Federal authorities are warning critical U.S. infrastructure could be at risk after seven

states reported cyber attacks on water and wastewater system, which is precisely what you predicted. The warning comes after U.S. officials say Iran was likely buying the coordinated cyber attack on water systems and Minnesota Trump is blaming Minnesota Governor Tim Walsh for that saying Iran has bigger problems than worrying about Minnesota. I don't know what he's talking about.

Talk a little bit about this because they really, these things are jumping out of sandboxes because that's their job to jump out of sandboxes, right? If you're going to be a hacker, if you tell it to hack, it'll hack.

“I think a lot of people are really under reporting this story.”

These attacks, because with AI, you really can. It's not just Iran, it could be just anyone, it could be Spencer Pratt, attacking Minnesota, you know, with these tools. Yeah, but you use the correct term. This is more Jurassic Park than Terminator or SkyNet, because someone left the gate open.

But they purposely did, right? No, they didn't, they got out, they jumped out. But someone, someone in my understanding has gave the AI directions on how to go get this. It's just they were shocked by how creative and ambitious it was. Right. Right. Right. And so it's more, I think this is a story of competence, not sentience.

OK. And that is, this is why we need regulation.

If you were to, if you were to have AI, basically say, the moment you perceive an existential threat,

“launch our, our birds, our missiles, you have to have a person somewhere in there.”

Or you have to have an AI that says, OK, any kind of existential threat to humanity that results in the harming of anybody or economic harmer doing anything illegal needs to send up red flags that notify a regulatory body that the executives, so what I don't get is, I think this is super interesting that these things might, it's like, the thing I thought of and this is a weird analogy, but there were, there were Japanese soldiers in the hills of the Philippines

20 years after the war ended, who used to come down and terrorize the villages and shoot it perceived enemies because they had orders. They were sent in the hills towards the end of the war, and they were to say, go into the hills, we have to withdraw because we're getting beaten, but terrorize the fucking village and Americans in the enemy. And 20 years later, these individuals, they were part of the imperial army, they were still following their orders.

And they actually, I thought this was such an interesting story, in one case, they had to find the commanding officer. This is like, I think in the 50s or 60s. To stop. And then transport the commanding officer to the hill where they think these guy was hanging out and start yelling, I am, you know, major or general Tokashito come down. You are relieved of your duty. And that was the analogy, I thought these AI's are taking their orders very seriously, but someone did give it the order.

And where I go with the same place and that is, you wouldn't sell, if this, if this technology

according to the, the leaders of these terms is more powerful than nuclear bombs,

you will you wouldn't let up an hammer sell these bombs into proctor and gamble. Right. Now, I agree. So we need, we need a thick layer of friction, and let me use the R word regulation that doesn't mean, and by the way, folks, good regulation is good for industries. It, they know what rules they're playing by. It, it shields them from frivolous lawsuits. I think, I think we're getting to the point with these guys, whether actually pretty sincere

and saying, let's figure out a way that we don't just ruin it for all of us. And let's figure out again, 60 day waiting period on any new product to battle to test the shit out of a given start asking it, hey, is there any way you can figure out a super virus and see what happens? I mean, one of the things that gain a function, testing is a little bit disturbing, actually. One of the things that strikes me every time because I'm interviewed,

dozens of people who exactly explained what could happen, like, they're like, hey, this could happen,

it jumped. And I'm always like, what do you, it's like your kid, like, your kid is a troublemaker

and you're shocked. Like, it's sort of like me saying, I'm shocked that that Saul found the starbursts hidden in my drawer. Like, I just did not shock. I know he will. He's a very inventive kid. It just is he wants the starburst, right? It just, it's that to me is the, like, and it since they're shocked, why don't we just make the rules for them? Like, since we're not shocked, this is what happens. And you know, the fact that the Trump administration has been one big giveaway

to the AI industry in a way that's now veering on the interest. I'm curious, so you speak to more and I'm going to use air quotes, experts, as in their actual experts who know what they're talking about, and you know how I feel. I tend to think some of this catastrophe as a fundraising strategy, but what, what have the people you've talked to about this, hugging bear, jumping the lab? What do they think about, what have they said about it? Is this the threat that people are worried

about? They feel as if they are not correctly anticipating the problems. It's sort of like, okay, if you put a knife on those steering wheel, maybe if there's an accident someone's going to be knife. Like, that's their sort of like, not in, you know, normal normal normal normal normal, one of the jobs I was going to do if I work for the government, if I have gotten in, but I'm gay, was anticipatory. Center. Center. Center. Center. Center. Center. Was anticipation of staff like this,

like really true anticipation, like, okay, here's the, you know, I love, remember the movie three days

“of the condor? That's what he did. That's like a Robert Redford in the most beautiful woman of the”

20th century. Who am I talking about? They don't know. Spectacular. Yeah, that's a fantastic

fucking movie, what amazing movie. Chinatown, the three musketeers, beautiful woman. I am so

dating myself right. Dead today, about the time I had a high ability to get the pull-off lounge with Angie Dickinson. I used to party with these cool cats and kuba. Yeah, I've met Johnny Carson. Really great. I don't try to think of people that are beautiful women that are. Yes, I mean, Margaret. He's like Christ. The best. Okay, we're turning it over to ourselves. Let's move forward. Oh, my God. And Margaret is hot. Though watch, and Margaret dance in any way, and you take,

she's, as relevant today as she ever was. I don't know the thing for Charo when I was eight. Yeah, her and Barbara Eden. Yeah. Yes, master, Jenny, go to your bottle. It's a, I have come so far. I have come so far. If you had Jenny, you would put her bottle. I would know that. Oh, no, I wouldn't. No, I don't know. Anyway, I'm not going to talk about it. I think Barbara Eden, did I tell you I sat next to Barbara Eden on a flight to New York when I was the first

journalist, I'm working Stanley. She's still beautiful. Oh, gorgeous and super nice, too. Yeah, she's lovely. She's lovely. And we're getting off. Sorry, go ahead. This is dangerous and could kill us. Okay. So guys, we need some, and yeah, I escape the bottle and it's killing Larry Hattman. It's stuck a shank in his nose. Anyway, guys, we need your help. It's not coming from this. And the danger is we'll have overregulation if something terrible. That is what we will happen.

“That is it. Like we, we have time to do it in the right way now. And you need to stop. Okay.”

Now, I'm going to get to another story. Elon Musk is diving into politics, despite recently telling the economy, we see got too involved before. Now, he's authorizing his super back

to spend between a hundred and 120 million to help GOP in the midterms. He's already spent a lot.

Elon's pack has reportedly planned on spending on house races and states, including California, Wisconsin and Washington. It's also targeting key Senate races in Alaska, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, and Ohio. Troy Jackson, the Democratic Senate candidate who's running against Susan Collins in Maine, released an ad about Elon spending. He specifically, to he usually talks about him being a logger and being a man of the people. But let's listen to this ad that he put out this weekend.

And here's why he spent a hundred million dollars across these states, because he wants to have people that are totally beholden to him in Donald Trump, making sure that we're getting tax cuts for billionaires on the back of our health care system, on the back of our hospitals.

“That's what Elon Musk wants. He doesn't care about us. Really doesn't care about Susan.”

He cares about him. So I would say in Tue Elon, Maine, and really the whole United States, doesn't want your dirty money in our politics. You know, you don't get to buy the government that you want. This is about all of us coming together and fighting for the government that we deserve. And you're not in it. Ah, you're not in it. I love dirty politics.

Um, Elon, Austin, Wisconsin, who spent 25 million there. I think this is very effective. And he also sounds like he's about to go felatry at any moment. The silver lining here is that it appears that money is showing a lesser and lesser return

Musk money to a candidate begins to hurt them. I don't know if you'd seen what's going on.

If I were a candidate to think of your values, I wouldn't take money from a pack right now.

“Yeah. I think it has become such a toxic brand, a pack, whether you suck in billion or”

70. Whether you agree with them or not. But I wonder if at some point, I mean, the example I keep going back to, Tom Stier, who I thought was a reasonable candidate. Tom is not a bad person. I don't care what you do. I don't like it. I don't care what you think about his politics. I think it's hard to argue. He's not a good man with his heart in the right place. Cares about the environment, understands business. He's put a quarter of a billion dollars in the

came and third place. And you know, it ended up being hired influencers and they think that that's some sort of controversy. I'm like, welcome to Paul. I know that. That was stupid. I'm wondering how many of them with money are doing the same thing. Anyways, it's Citizens United.

So broken record here. Okay. The problem isn't that people, well, the problem is the people

can spend money on politics. The problem is we have so much income inequality and so much concentration of wealth, which equates to power and a capitalist society. Are we comfortable? He could spend 15 billion in a wouldn't mean anything to him. Are we that comfortable? I mean, we have our billionaires. We have, you know, George Soros or whoever on the left. But at some point when you have someone who could say if they get emotional or pissed off or really high when

“I think you know what, I think I'm going to spend $10 billion. Are we comfortable with that?”

I'm not as freaked out about this because I wonder if at some point, the economist at a great article on this and it said that money in politics is having less impact than reported, which I think is really interesting at what you thought. It could be. I think I just curious what you think. I mean, let's go talk more in this episode because I think this is actually right. And is this an effective ad to attack Elon? I think it is. I think it worked in Wisconsin. I think the

people was considered not unlike the people of Maine. I don't think they like it. He also sort of just dismisses Susan. He doesn't really care about Susan. She's hardly matters here. He's just buying his way into our government. And the two things that I thought were effective here were doesn't want your dirty money in our politics, which I love. I thought that was beautifully said. And then this is about the government we deserve and you're not in it. There was a little bit of,

not from here, are you, Fala? Like that kind of thing. Like I thought it was quite effective in this state. I think it probably is. If you rob a bank, there's typically within the money or there's a bomb that goes off and sprays you with indelible ink. I think these people are trying to put a bomb of indelible ink around certain types of money. Yeah. And do you do the effective, this particular message? Well, the Troy. Look what's happening with a pack. And the Michigan

Democratic Senate primary, the attack line against, I mean, I'm blanking on an aim. Stanley Stevens. And attack line is you've taken a pack money. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if it's about

“to become you've taken mask money. Yeah. And that's what they're trying to do here. They're trying to”

nest inside of this money from him with a, a paintball. And I actually think it's quite effective. Yeah. I think it's effective. And you don't have to be, you know, Alex votes in Michigan. I know he mentioned it to me. He's like, what the heck? Why is all this, a pack money here? And I have to say, you know, it's interesting to somebody worse. Like, Louis really liked Tom's to, I don't know how, I don't know either of them voted. But he's certainly not a verse to, I'll say it. And Alex is

more conservative I would say than Louis, Louis like DSA, essentially. But, but Louis was attracted to Tom's to. That's because it's your egg, right? No. I still understood that all time. I don't have that all time. I don't have that all time. I don't have that all time. I mean, I like Tom's to, but I don't know who, I didn't like any choice of some California. But, but I'm saying, it depends. I think I would assume Louis found out about Tom's to are from these paid influencers. I don't know.

But it's the, I don't think you're giving them enough credit. Maybe just to the work on his own. He did, he did, but I'm, in Michigan, a lot of young people like my son do not like this. And they're, you know, I know they're trying to say they're anti-Semitic for doing that. I just don't think they like the, like, get your money out of our politics. I think that's the stronger thing. And in Michigan, it happens to be a back in other places that's other. And in Maine, it's a lot of money.

Well again, another woman who did just an amazing job and was first where he had dignified

was I believe she's the editor of the economist and blanks. Yes, is any better. She's so impressive. Yeah. But she highlighted. I thought the, I thought that the, the puncturing moment, the pop, that really like showed you how just ridiculous it is. He's all over British politics. Like I, our, our new kind of export, biggest export from the US is political divisiveness. We've decided

you were in England. Years ago. And he's like, oh, a few years ago. And she's like, yeah, the

fuck is going on here. When people asked me about the UK, I was caveat it with, I don't live in

“England. I live in Marleibone. I'm in such a bubble. I don't, I don't, I don't, but I think she was”

making the point that it's not like covered with, with immigrants killing people. Like if you would believe Elon Musk, you would think that England has been taken over by Muslim relationships. And he made that point and she was like, and he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. And anyways, my, my point is he's the last person to be talking as if he has his finger on the pulse of what's actually happening in England. And also, it's one thing to be pouring money into

Michigan as a US citizen. It's another to be exporting political divisiveness to another country. That's just like, I, I don't, I don't, you know, I, it's like quite frankly boss. It's not your fucking business. Yes. Get your dirty money out of up now. And I wonder, I wonder, well, actually England has much stronger campaign finance laws. And also, you know, not that it's helping. I think I'm on my fourth prime minister since moving there four years ago. I'm like, who is it now? I'm like,

I'm literally, it's like, when my dad, when my dad after he left my mom would show up with my new mom, I wouldn't get attached because there'd be someone another lovely lady the next week in the living room drinking Lancers wine with my dad. Lancers, what you're really going back, Scott. Anyway, Elon, your dirty money doesn't work. Nice job, Troy. All right. Let's go in a quick break. We come back. - Oh my favorite song.

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the world's favorite story of the year. U.S. Attorney-Genene Piro was in the hot seat after dropping the vandalism case against former Olympian. She also has called out the damage as a result of a botched installation. She had to tell the truth when it came to court as it turns out.

This didn't sit well with Trump, who said he disagrees 100% with Genie and Piro. And noting that there may have been a contractor difficulty, but major damage was caused by vandalism, which there is zero proof. An interior secretary, Doug Bartham, who is like the definition of a suck-up, is trying to stay in Trump's good grace is saying, he gave the US attorney expert, and I wouldn't

just testimony to the damage done by vandalism. This is crazy. This is Genie and was like, I'm not getting dis-bard for this Lincoln poo, and speaking of pushback, Marjorie Taylor Green posted a photo of the weekend on, so I took our crawls and Thomas Massey, and if you're other's writing, the movement has begun.

So the anti-Trump, the anti-Trumpers, I don't know, whatever. Anyway, I told you this reflecting pool was going to be indicative of other things. Yeah, it's as such a distraction. I wonder if it's planned for them, but Genie and Piro did a research, and she found that essentially, every lawyer, I mean, literally, every lawyer that gets near, whether it's

Rudy Giuliani, whether it's Michael Con any lawyer that gets near Trump, ends up getting dis-bard. Yeah. I mean, it's striking, if you look at eight of the ten last lawyers that were representing, get they end up getting dis-bard or find or worse, and there's no loyalty there, there's

“no, I mean, you want to talk about in Vietnam, they used to take, I think, the second,”

you know, Lieutenant or whatever was the platoon leader marks off your helmet, because the VIA Con was given strict instructions.

This is the person you take out first.

Yeah, you think she'll re-file, given all the pushback? I don't see she can, because the judge, the judge in this case, said, you better be very careful, young lady or old lady, drunk, old lady. They shoot, the judge was very explicit that you will be in trouble if you keep going, because this is really bad.

But then, you know, the fact that burglum or the others, they just, when are they going to give that I just, I have no idea, this guy had a relatively, okay, reputation, but him and beset to me are the real shockers in terms of, like, how much of a suckup they can compete being in this situation? I think the guy is actually taking the biggest reputation hit as Todd Blanch, about people

who knew him and what is of the southern district, really had a lot of respect for him.

So I'm as an outstanding lawyer and a person who has never seen that, what happened to you?

And so I think, I think Jeanine Peros, like, you know, I don't want to be disbarred. This guy's going to be out in two and a quarter years or whatever, you know, I think her own lawyers have said to her, I'd be really careful here, this is, there's no evidence there. Do you think she refiled?

You think she'll try to refile anyway? I don't know, but the sad part of this is that the more time the old king. The more time we spent talking about a reflecting pool, good or bad, the less time we spent talking about bombs inflation and exploding diarrhea. I agree with you, Scott, but as I said, this is indicative of shorty work, lying,

it's, it's a little, it's much more important in terms of what these people are doing. This is how far they'll go to protect and addled old man's ego, which is, which I think is, yeah, and it links to Iran, like saying, oh, no, we better not do this. Or the stuff he was proposing all weekend was crazy, like they're willing to let crazy person who has, like, I just think this is exactly a distillation.

“That's why I think it's important, because one, it's incompetent management.”

They couldn't fix the reflecting pool, and then they did it, made it worse. Two, they then tried to blame an American citizen of something he didn't do, like these weird prosecutions are also there, but they did to run a good, but they did to everybody else, what they're doing to immigrants, it's like they're just jail people and just please him. And so that's why it's important. It's, it's, it's a bigger trend of saying, yes, sir,

we think this is amazing. And let me tell you, Doug Burton, the shame of this will not

out the view, and I will be around to remember it for all of the same thing with best sense,

long after this guy has gone, the dishonor on you will remain. And Jeanine Piero decided to get out the fair. It's a scary moochie. I mean, he summarized it correctly when he tries to, you know, the flame, the side by the way, saw the Odyssey this weekend, the flame, the sirens call of power and proximity to the president. Everyone believes they're going to be the one that can navigate it and serve the country while not being guilty. They all hear the siren call,

and they think that they can not be immune to it. He is political Chernobyl. Who has gone on

“to great things from his first administration? And in the latest episode of where are they now?”

I just want to go over where Trump's lawyers are now. Roy Cohen was disbarred, you know, he's dead now. Michael Cohen, disbarred pleaded guilty to tax campaign and false statements crimes, Rudy Gilliani,

disbarred in New York and D.C. 150 million in defamation damages, Alina, Haba, sanctioned $1 million

for a list litigation, Boris, Epstein, pending AZ criminal charges in fake electoral case. John Eastman, disbarred in California, it's repeated in D.C. Arizona criminal place, pending Kenneth Chesbro, disbarred in New York with Wisconsin case pending. I mean, literally, it's second lieutenant and Vietnam to be a lawyer for this guy. Listen, the old man's losing it, guys. You better get on the Dining Piero Express out of town,

you know, and green and Tucker Carlson and Massey are going to take advantage. There is a trend. And right after the elections, as long as they're done correctly, it's done. It's done.

“You better get off this fucking train. If Judge Weinbox is getting off, you need to exit as fast as possible.”

Yeah, Kenneth Chesbro, if I'm saying it's nine Chesbro, Chesbro, Chesbro. I think it. He was the attorney who was basically the architect of the fake election narrative. He was just disbarred in the state of New York. Just dis-- I mean, wake up, folks. He's Chernobyl. You stick around this guy long enough. You're getting leukemia. Anyway, one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails, and then Scott

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“Okay, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails. What did I go first and very carefully?”

My win is Columbia University School of Journalism, which I went to in an alumni hired Sharon Alfonci and Scott Pellie as Journalist and Residence this year, and I couldn't be more happy. I never go when they ask me to speak to cats. I am white, but I love it. I think that's the why doesn't we've ever set on this podcast, and we've set some pretty translucent things in any case. I'm very happy. They did that congratulations. They're all-- let me tell you, I've been in touch with

a lot of these people. They're all working on some really great things. The New York Post got it wrong about Bill owns this week, but they're all going to have cool things in a little bit invigorated. Like, you know, and I was with Don Lee Maun, them all this week. And he's invigorated. I was on asked it herndon show America, actually, which I loved, and I got to say invigorated. All these people

feel embarrassed. So it's not always a bad thing. It's bad for 60 minutes, but it's really good for you

and your souls. You'll have a great time and out here in the wilderness. And my fail is there's a story in the New York Times about Paul Weiss, the law firm. And the downfall of how they acquiesce to Trump, largely because of a single partner who seems like an asshole, is and sort of the ruining of another guy who had been a beacon of civil rights, pro bono work, et cetera, is really devastating, just how quickly speaking of people

giving in and being, you know, ruined by the Trump people. This was a really sad story. These are the people that should defend us. This was a firm that was well known for defending people, like people who marginalized people, all manner of things. It's just very, a very legendary firm, which just essentially took the money and started treating like behaving in a way that was so grabby. You're so rich, you lawyers. It's really gross. It was a grotesque. I recommend you read it.

It's a long read. And it was just, it was really, it was really upsetting to read. I have to say,

the cell stakes and the world cup after backlash. And it looks like he may be in trouble. There's

“so many more reports. I think several people who don't usually speak out as said it's he should leave.”

But we know someone who predicted this, let's hear a clip from last week. My prediction is that this ridiculous notion that one of the most corrupt organizations is going to get financing from a crime family, the Trump family to take FIFA private and or turn it into a public company. This won't happen. There you go. It's got. All right. All yours. There you go.

You saw some of my thunder. Like I could position one as a fail, but I'll position both as a win. These global athletic oversight, whether it's the IOC, FIFA, or even I would argue the NC2A that was comfortable with, why guys in their 50s making millions of dollars in claiming that the nonwhite people on the hardwood were not allowed to make money because of the purity of the sport. There's just so much, these organizations benefit so much from the goodwill and the fact that's

especially the international organizations operate in this another Netherlands. Johnny and Fentino is so corrupt. FIFA is so corrupt. In the fact that it really does, it's just this sport really does bring people together and at some point they're just going, do you know how many people really talented? I mean, take a guy who's lost and elect,

take a guy like Mitt Romney. I don't find somebody just an amazing person who's integrity is

“unimpeachable. It's got gallery. Uh, I think I'm, I think I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know,”

I'm impeachable. According to Twitter this weekend, I've heard both of us are impeachable. But my point is find somebody, there are so many people who have incredible integrity character understand sponsorships understand business who absolutely adore this game and we take this job for a dollar and bring real and say, okay, what's the job? Not only the tournament, but how do we get more young people playing sports? How do we raise the visibility of emerging nations? How do we

bring people together in between the world cups and make nations feel better about one another? How do we just have, how do I just ride in my final act? A love letter to the sport? Instead, we have these corrupt individuals that see it as a corpus for their own enrichment. Yeah, he should just leave and go hang out with the rich people. So, I am really pleased that the public and their love of the game just threw up all over this guy and his idea to get the

cushioners to finance taking a private and trying to figure out a way to monetize what is the UN that's actually working in that is football. It's actually bringing people together. In any case, you're right. This was a great prediction. So, is he out out? Do you think he's out? You did say you thought he wouldn't? I don't. These governing bodies are so like what court oversees it? Yeah. And so it's difficult. And in addition, these guys, these guys grease everybody and pay them off.

They have friends everywhere because they give money in the form of quote-unquote development revenues to, I mean, they have, they're not dumb. They've, they've greased a lot of palms.

“They're a mom family. I think your prediction is correct. I think he's out. Oh, really. I hope so.”

Again, it's the same problem we have a Trump. We need ideas and a vision for FIFA, not just shit posting the incumbent. Yep. That's a fair point. Yeah. And let's find, let's find someone on impeachable who would raise their hand and say, you know what? I would, I would like to do this. Like, you know, I think, you know, I don't know if it's human. I think he'd be great. I think I've,

I've always been a fan of Tony Blair. He evokes a Gary flies to people. Yeah. Fair enough.

But there's gotta be somebody out there that people just have a ton of goodwill around who loves the game and says, what I'm going to bring to the game is the following. I'm going to bring goodwill and unimpeachable integrity. I'm going to be, I'm going to be fucking Mormon. I'm going to be literally, I'm thinking about Mitt Romney again. I, I, I, I may get it wrong, but I will never deceive you or enrich myself. I still say Scott Galloway. I don't, I don't know enough about the game.

Can I, can I ask you one question? I'm a problem too. Are you saying all the way? I'm so sad. You said not a word about a bit wicker, all the, the story of the basket that Fox a woman, have you noticed this going all over the internet? I'm surprised you haven't because there was all these penis jokes about wicker. Jesus Christ, I feel so out of it. I didn't find out that failed mayoral candidates were shit posting me until you forward it. When I, I'm, I'm not exaggerating.

When I go into August, I try to put my phone away. I try not to go on social media. I try not to

I want wicker jokes. There's one that say I wonder if J.D. Vance is going to see wicker. There's a

lot of very funny funny jokes. The wicker trailers, it's called, someone called the wicker trailer or Nokia and all I can say is I guarantee you that was the original name of the script and film. Anyway, it looks great. I didn't see that. I didn't see the Odyssey though.

“In a word, epic, absolutely epic and I just, the thing that really struck me about it was I think”

it could have been. I really respect filmmakers and directors and studios. The green light something that has so much downside risk because it's like a scene with a cyclops. It could have so easily been cheesy CGI. And you believe there's a cyclops. And every scene that you'd heard

about, there was just a certain grid in Ronis. I thought the performances were outstanding across

the board. I want to go to an island where I get high and fuck a hot model and forget how to get home. I'm like, what a shock. I love like I forgot how to get home. So I hang out with Charlie around and get high every day. But I forgot not to get back to my wife. You'd still be on that album. Oh my god. Where is that island? Charlie's I'm coming. Yeah, yeah. So you love it. I'm going to learn it. Well, he's literally doing an abitha doing X,

fucking the hottest woman up. And he's forgotten how to get home to Liverpool in his life. Yeah, anyways. Very nice. Very nice. I'll move on. My, my win. The outstanding journalism and

forceful yet dignified performance this weekend of Danabash, Margaret Brennan, and last week,

“Katelyn Collins. I just think these, I think these individuals define the term professional.”

Yeah, I would. And we'll be here to replace you. There you go. That's talking about an upgrade. But I, I, the clips I saw this weekend. I used to watch meet the press and face the nation, the whole show. Now I'm part of the Pepsi generation. I just watched the clips. I thought, I admire that they're so calm and just right on the spot, push back, thoughtfully. You actually do this quite well. Thank you. And Jess Tarlev does this quite well.

Yes, yes. But I was so impressed. What do we all have in common, Scott? Well, the future is female, okay. The future is female. I mean, did you just say them for you? The future is female. Now we're, yeah, no, we're. That's a good one. That's a perfect one. We're replaceable. We're just here. We're just here to build data centers. And then we're totally, then we have no use. No, no use. Although lesbian mechanics can do it. Anyway, and construction workers. That's my,

anyways, my, my win is, my wins. Multiple wins are throwing up on Johnny and Fantino and it's ridiculous monetization of the world's, you know, the beautiful game. I thought the Odyssey was spectacular. And I went into it with high expectations because Christopher Nolan is my favorite director and also just the just the professionalism of Dana Bash, Katelyn Collins and Margar Brennan. Yep. There you go. Oh, my goodness. As you say, there you go, Scott.

There you go. Anyway, we want to hear from you, send us your questions about business, tech, or whatever's on your mind, go to NYMag.com/pivot, submit a question for the show. We're called eight five five five one pivot and elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe this week. And on with Kara Swisher, I'm speaking with Rosie O'Donnell. She's staging her one woman show in New York right now. And then she's headed to LA to guest host Jimmy Kimmel later this month.

Let's listen to her explain how she plans to deal with Trump. I plan on doing what Jimmy Kimmel has done so beautifully, which is giving it to him in a comedic, honest, truthful way. And I will do that as big as I can. Now, the song that I sang in my show, if he only had a brain, I wanted to do that on Kimmel, but they just told me I can't. Oh, that they couldn't get permission for the parody because it's political content. And I was like, well, that is absurd to me,

because we used to do parodies every day on my show. Right. We, I don't understand. Well, I've been told I'm not allowed to do that. No, I don't know. It's not a thing. It's not a thing.

“You better be here. Yes. It is a approval rate is 30. His diapers always dirty. I think the”

guys insane. I think the guys insane. I'm so happy. She's it was really good. Go watch your show. It's terrific. And Scott, as I said, is our last show together for Scott Frey August gets underway. The saddest time of the year for me, obviously, people might be wondering about your whereabouts over the next month. So we're getting ahead of things by releasing a proof of life photo right now. What is that? I can't see it. It's all my gosh. I'm a lane chow. That's hilarious. Of course,

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enjoy your time away. I miss you every year. And please call me. Today's show is produced by Leren

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