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barrel again. But don't worry, Trump also said high oil prices are a good thing. We'll talk about his famed political instincts and how it's all playing with the voters he needs, especially young men. Then the White House warns Republicans not to talk about mass deportations as they run for reelection. The doge bags are finally being held accountable, maybe. And why little Marco is wearing shoes that are too big. That was enjoyable. That was enjoyable. I can't wait for that story.
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140 have been wounded. 8 severely wounded. Many with brain injuries. Our government says that the first
week of this war has cost us 11.3 billion dollars with a B. More than a third of what it would have
cost to prevent 22 million Americans from seeing their premiums double by extending the Obamacare subsidies. Instead, we spent it on this war and our intel agency say that for the 11 billion dollars we've spent. Iran's leadership is still largely intact and not at risk of imminent collapse. This is perroiders. On that note, we got the first public statement from the new younger, more extreme Iotola who vowed to take revenge on Israel and America. This is a day after the FBI issued an urgent
warning to local law enforcement that quote, Iran allegedly aspired to conduct a surprise attack on California using drones fired from a ship off the coast. And Trump said that he's been briefed on the existence of terrorist sleeper cells in America, but quote, "We know where most of them are,
βI think." Naturally, the president's public remarks this week have reflected the seriousnessβ
of the crisis at hand. Operation Epic Fury! Is that a great day? Well, it's only good if you win,
you know, you can only, and we've won. Let me say we've won. You know, you never like to say
too early. You won. We won. We won the bet in the first hour it was over. One the bet. First hour! First hour. He's now, he's now using the name of the military operation that has led to a gigantic war in the Middle East, the biggest U.S. deployment since the Iraq War. Seven Americans are dead. Hundreds wounded. Thousands of people dead in the Middle East. And he's using it as an applause line at a rally. You tired of all the winning at Dan? I would middlely say that I have
Pretty low expectations for Donald Trump on any issue, particularly one of th...
than as the Middle East, but I have to say even I am blown away by what a gigantic cluster
βfuck this is. Just at every single level, at every point, they have screwed this up.β
The military is obviously doing what it's supposed to be doing. They are executing the mission. Obviously not falsely given the the the missile that hit the girl's school. But it ever like there is no it's just the messaging around is terrible. There seems to be no strategy. We are two weeks in and there's still no definition of victory. The Trump can't describe what's happening in any coherent way. And it seems to be spiraling out of control in a way that has
going to have really serious short-medium term implications for the world and Americans, American
safety, security and our economy and potentially traumatic long-term consequences for the world order,
the shape of the Middle East are allies both in the region and in the world. It's just an absolute mess and the thing about it is it's one of the worst own goals in history. There was no argument
βfor this or is no strategic imperative, no threat. We just Trump just met stumbled asked backwardβ
and it's something that could become World War III. Yeah. When you listen to some administration officials like Marco Rubio and you know the White House has been putting this out as well, they say the objectives now are to destroy Iran's navy which they have almost done to seriously degrade their ballistic missile capabilities. So destroy the missiles, destroy the factories that make the missiles, I guess they have made a good progress in doing that. And then the
other objective is making sure they can never ever build or seek a nuclear weapon again.
They have not done anything else on that front. And that's an impressive test. Like what does that even mean? Right. Because you can't do that with their strikes alone. You need ground troops. We don't have ground troops so far. So that would be a terrible idea. But the enriched uranium is still
βthere. And so that hasn't been achieved. And you know the goal of regime change, which was neverβ
an official goal though Donald Trump talked about it all the time. And now there's reporting saying these railies think it's a goal. Benjamin Netanyahu wants regime change for sure. And now the Americans are saying, well it just be a it'd be a bonus, be a bonus. But either way, doesn't seem like it's close to happening. Because we get the eye atola, bowing, we're avenge. And the straight-up form moves continue to be closed and attacks from Iran. Continuing to happen.
There's an Axios story about all this. Like what Trump's thinking? Because the way we know what Trump's thinking now is he goes to events like this and says crazy shit. And then I guess he just takes the call of any reporter who dials him up. He talked to Axios. And someone told Axios, sorry, maybe this wasn't Trump, but someone told Axios a source who spoke to Trump on Tuesday evening, described the president as quote enthusiastic about continuing the war for at least three
to four weeks before making a decision. Three to four more weeks. We're going to continue this into into mid April. What's going to happen in those in that time period? If this has been a cluster of fuck after fucking a couple of weeks now, thinking about what it's going to do the oil markets like there's an estimate out today that if this straight is closed through April, oil will reach $140 a barrel. This is the greatest shock to our oil supply in the history of
the world. And with the global economy, it was already fragile. It's an absolute disaster. And there's just no, like, Mark, you say Mark or Rubio is articulated some set of goals. But he, those aren't, doesn't even really goals. That's just slightly more coherent than the verbal applesauce that Trump was putting out every day. And he's the person who's supposed to know, like there is a world, we've seen this in other things with Trump, where what he says makes no sense.
But then there are people behind him who are saying things that it's not a world view. We would agree with not one that we think would even be effective. But it is a, it is like a plan of some kind, and here there is none. Would you make of the, the New York Times story, headline, how Trump and his advisors miscalculated Iran's response to war? Because there's like, I wanted to laugh, and then I wanted to scream when I realized that it was all reality,
even though it sounds so fucking buffoonish, the whole piece. This is one of those things that I do think is scarier if you've actually worked in a White House, and you know how it works. And like, there obviously seem very stupid. These are unserious people who don't even take their jobs that seriously, they, you know, there's, we've been war gaming and thinking out what a war theorem would look like, since the day the IOTL took over 1979. And there's a reason we don't,
It hasn't happened in all this time.
this rate of war moves. If that closes down, like every, like every, every war gaming of this
has shown this to be the case, but they did it anyway. They ignored all of that so-called expert
βadvice to go forward. And there's a part in there to me that's, I think, is the most scary. It is.β
It says in there that a lot of aids think this is going very poorly, but they were afraid to tell Trump because he keeps saying it's going great. And if you can't tell bad news to the president, then the president is going to operate for a false set of facts going forward. And that's an even bigger problem when that president lives in a, chronetically sealed right-wing news bubble that tells him what he wants to hear. So he has no
information that actually would allow him to make a decision that would move this in a better direction because he thinks it's in a good direction. Yeah, it's incredibly unsettling, scary, that we're living through this. And also the fact that even if Trump wanted to stop the war today, even if he said, okay, we're declaring victory and we're, you know, we've, we've bombed everything
βwe can bomb and all that, like, Iran's not going to stop. The regime is in place. They're going toβ
stop firing missiles all over the Middle East. They're going to stop trying to insight terror attacks, have their proxies insight terror attacks all over the world. Like, what, it's just the idea that the war stops when Donald Trump says it stops is just so fucking stupid and flies in the face of all history. Also, they have the reports are the Iranians are mining the straight. And once you put mines in the straight, it's not countries that decide where they go to the
straight. It's companies who have borrowed tens of millions of dollars to buy these tankers. And what guarantees do they have that their, their tankers are not going to run into mines. Like, it is, so even if we were to stop tomorrow, are we going to trust the Iranians to go, tell us where all the mines were, so we can go pick them up, of course not. No, they're, so that they've, it seems like they have laid at least 10 mines in the, in the
straightive formus, according to reports. They're also just firing tankers. They've had a couple tankers who are going through the straight anyway. The Secretary of Energy this week posted a tweet
saying the Navy has accompanied its first ship oil tanker through the straightive formus and then
immediately had to take down that tweet because it wasn't true. Don't, so don't know what's going on there. He just announced again before we started recording that the Navy will be sort of accompanying tankers through the straightive formus. I don't know why that's like a magical solve, especially if they are laying mines in the straightive formus because they can lay mines without navy ships around can. They can do it with smaller ships. So I don't really know that that's going to,
that's going to solve it. You mentioned oil prices hit $100 a barrel again and the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has threatened to push prices up to $200 per barrel, which would cause gas prices to exceed $5 a gallon. So that's something to look forward to. But, you know, Trump was asked about this complete fucking mess in the straightive formus
in the other night and here's what he said. "Straights are in great shape. We've knocked out all of
their boats. I think we're in very good shape." The straights are in great shape. So they're going
βthat's what people are saying. "The straights are in great shape. Guess there's a couple now.β
President followed up. Those comments with a post was the post to correct himself. Was the post to offer more information? No, here's what the post said. The United States is the largest oil producer in the world by far. So when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money. Never thought of it that way, Dan. Are you impressed with Trump's coming? We haven't budgeted through there. Actually, higher prices are good.
Saying for months that Trump needed a message on affordability. Now he has one. Prices are good. It is worth just stepping back and I hate to say it's but dissecting that truth because it does speak to his like how his brain works, which is, if prices go up, who makes more money? Oil companies. And how they make more money? Because prices have gone up on American consumers. So if a big oil is getting rich,
that is a win for our country and his might. If companies make money and the American consumer has to pay more in higher prices, so those companies can make money than that's a win. It's so, I don't even know if he really believes that. Part of it is this, he just sees everything through his own interests in the country. He now equates the country to him. And so if the country makes money, if some people are making money, then he can point to that,
Then everything's wonderful because it's sort of like what he does with the t...
Like we were, we were being ripped off by the tariffs and now all the money is coming in. The
money is pouring in from the tariffs, even though Americans are paying the extra tariffs, just like Americans are paying the higher gas prices. But as long as money is coming in to companies, America is great. Things are going well. His country is going well. He did a good job because America is rich now. But at least with the tariffs, the money does go to the US government. Hear the tariffs just go to the Exxon guy. He's ever the higher prices go to the Exxon guy.
βI mean, I think the obviously we think the tariffs are stupid, but you can at least pointβ
you like an increase in revenue for the federal government. Here are the government gets in no money. In fact, we're getting less money than we should because we've given all these tax breaks and
subsidies to big oil anyway. And the big oil companies get rich. And I think you are correct
that what is happening here is like a heavy dose of cope to try to explain away the terrible situations. I don't know. Don't worry, $140 per oil in the middle of the rapidly escalating global crisis in the Middle East is fine. Look how it's good. Like I think that's the main thing. I mean, but there is, I think, something that has mentality, which is if American companies get rich, that's good for America. And that is that doesn't work if the people who are making
it the way the companies get rich is by charging more money to American consumers who are already struggling with high prices. And there also don't have a lot of tools in the toolbox left to do anything about this. They announced a release of like the largest release ever from this strategic petroleum reserve. And oil still went up to $100 a bit. So it's like, I don't really know how I mean, I guess they can start doing, you know, maybe they'll do export controls on oil to keep
the oil here. And that's like a short term solution, but that's the long term. That's even worse for us. So like, there's nothing really to do here, except I don't know, just continue to tell
ships to sack up and take a chance going through the street of four moves, which is basically
what Trump and Brian Kilmede, the Fox and Friends House we're doing is like, you just got to just these ships got to have some balls and just go through the straight of four moves. And if you get blown up, you get blown up. They can't get all of us, right? That's right. If there are 10 lines and 12 ships go through, at least, at least two of them are making it. I have to say we talked about this a little bit yesterday, but the whole, we kind of skipped over the
FBI bulletin about California and the drones. Yeah. Now, the White House has since said that this was like unverified intelligence. And of course, we can believe everything the White House says and Gavin Newsom said that he had heard about it and everyone's on high alert. It seems like this was intelligence from February that the Iranians aspire to do this. I do think that would you know, requires somehow getting a ship out to the west coast of California and then the drones
and who knows. But I do think that one got a lot of Americans' attention. I think that that might have broken through. It broke through to the the the the the school mom group chat in my house. Yes, I had some questions for Tommy and Ben from a lot of people. They needed a good responses.
βAnd then and then he probably didn't trust me to do it. So if you want to beβ
to screenshot their text and send it to him, just like proof that things were okay. I mean, I also saw in that what's resonating newsletter that posts about and stories about that FBI warning were like one of the most shared stories yesterday by far. Because I just think that, you know, Americans right now don't like the idea of this war. They don't like the idea of spending a lot of money on this war. They don't like the idea of
high oil prices. They certainly don't like the idea of like American troops risking their lives and potentially dying in this war. So I'm going to already have. But if they're start being credible threats to the homeland and, you know, terror attacks God forbid, like that's when things are, shit's really going to hit the fan. And, you know, the fact that Trump was talking about sleeper cells and terrorist sleeper cells. And, oh, we've got an eye on most of them. I think
is fucking terrifying. We're sitting here. And just today, there was a shooter at Old Dominion University in Virginia. And they believe that was someone who was ISIS-inspired and had been in
βjail already for some ISIS-inspired activities back. I think this far, 2017, got a jail in 2024.β
There was also just an attack on a synagogue in Michigan. And early reports say it is a naturalized Lebanese American who was, I guess, just last night posting pictures of relatives who died in these rarely attacks on Lebanon, which is just fucking horrific that now we are seeing potentially attacks or attempted attacks play out across the United States. And I don't know. I just have a real fear that this is just the beginning of that. No, I mean, that is the, it's not just that the war's
happening. It's the way in which, time and I talk about this on YouTube yesterday. But it's also the
Way they're messaging the war.
the triumphalism, the, the snuff porn videos of things blowing up. They keep tweeting out.
βIt's like a joke. And like that is seemed designed to radicalize people against United States,β
whether they're in Iran or elsewhere. Yes, it does. That is certainly the scariest effect. I also think, I've been thinking about this a lot because it's really bothered me, the video game shit and they keep doing it. And some of them are, some of them are like sports related and show their show like NFL clips and they'll like cut it with like every touchdown. They'll cut it with like a missile that hit like actual footage of a missile that hit. They did it with baseball too,
like baseball highlights. And they just keep doing this shit. I kind of think it's meant to numb us to the real consequences and risks of war. And this, this idea that like, oh, it's all fun.
It's no big deal. You're scrolling through your feed. You're seeing a million different things anyway.
And when you see stuff about war, it's just one more thing. And it's a game and we're winning it. And everything's awesome. And America's fucking great. And let's keep going. And I realize that like
βevery government uses propaganda to sell war. But this is like feels like it's propagandaβ
for the sake of propaganda, just to like not even sell a war. But just to convey a message that everyone should go about their business and not think this is a big deal. And not worry about all the scary headlines that you're reading or all the people who are upset about this. Just like, we're great. We're fucking awesome. Good luck. I think you are correct. That's the net effect of what they're doing. I think that gives them way too much credit for strategy. I think it's just a
bunch of fucking insult papers who got social media jobs. The White House is doing shit to like get like kudos in their local discord. They get so stupid. It serves no actual purpose. And I think even the, I mean, there is because of the way the media works now and because of the fact that's having a random place where there is essentially almost no western
media at all. And they can shut the internet down in a second. Like this already can just be
happening without us ever seeing anything. Right. It's just, you know, but they put out the, I
βthink they put out these videos because they're unserious terrible people. Like that's what itβ
is like they don't, they're just no. But it has, it has, I mean, it has been their digital strategy since their campaign in 2024, but they have carried into the White House and they've done it around deportations. And yeah, it is a bunch of insult grippers. Like those are the people who are now staffing the government at some of the highest levels. But they're view on like communication. If you want to call it, if you like, it doesn't have to be like a strategy that was on a white
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Despite all these efforts, the war still is in popular with most Americans, including some prominent podcasters who support for Trump in 2024, probably helped to make inroads with younger Gen Z men. The most prominent, of course, is Jo Rogan, who has been on something of a tear about Iran, let's listen. It's terrifying and it's exactly the opposite of what we were told leading into this administration, that it's going to be America
first and no more unnecessary foreign wars. It's going to be bad. I mean, if oil prices spike, we're fucked. Yeah. You know, and the Republicans are really fucked. Yeah. He's 80. He doesn't much to lose. Right. Last time. That's the scary thing about old leaders. You know, you're making decisions for babies and children in the future of the world and you've only got 10, maybe 10 years left on Earth. I mean, the last part is quite like telling of our times that I'm pretty
powerful. It is. It also just may be think, you know, you know, who wasn't 80, who's still not 80.
Kamal Harris. She was, she was a candidate in the last election. She has, hopefully many, many years to live and make decisions on behalf of, you know, the family and her life and everyone else and other children. And I can pretty much guarantee with all with every ounce, if I were my body, that we would not be at war with Iran if she was president of states. Yeah. I, as you know, don't like to, like, scream at people who scream like I told you so it people who voted for Trump.
βI think it's a shitty way to like, when people over and so, you know, welcome Joe Rogan that, right,β
to, to seeing the light on this one. I just hope that, um, going to be another president to election in 2028. And I hope that Joe Rogan and a lot of these other podcasters, you know, just think about what lessons can be learned from 2024 and the lies that were told in 2024 and the people who told them. And it wasn't just Donald Trump. It was, you know, his vice president, who, uh, is probably going to be the, you know, front runner for the Republican nomination.
Many of the other people around him in the White House, many of the other Republicans who are running for Congress and running for president. So I, you know, I do think that all the people who are disappointed in Trump who supported Trump think next time around the next election that what they're hearing from Republicans, from Mag or Republicans like Donald Trump might not be on the level. And then every Republican is stood by Trump as he's done this, you know, the exception of
Rand Paul and Thomas Massey. Every single one of them is totally fine with this war. So, uh, our pal Peter Hambi at Puck has a new piece with reactions from young men, including Trump voters who participated in one of John Delible Bay's focus groups on the war, talked to John a couple times in the show. Spoiler alert, these young men, not fans, not fans of the war. Would you make of these groups and and how big of a problem do you think this is for
Republicans as we, uh, look ahead to the midterms? You know, as we've looked at the polling over the last year, the group that has abandoned Trump the fastest are young men. And that that
βI think it's primarily been driven by affordability and the fact that Trump ran on loweringβ
prices and then it's just found truly diabolical ways to keep raising them. Like if you thought the terrorist were bad, wait, you go to the gas pump this week. But I think there is this level of consistency. If you listen to the focus groups in 2024, there was this very real concern. Obviously, it was based on bad information, but this very real concern that Kamala Harris would get us into wars and Donald Trump would keep us out of wars.
Donald Trump said he was against forever wars all the time. The you it, you know, this was people's views on this were complicated by US support for Ukraine. And I think this fear also unfounded and based on bad information. That's somehow we were going to get involved in Ukraine because of our support for Ukraine. There was US support for Israel and what was happening. Gaza
always pushing to this. And Donald Trump was saying, no forever wars, no forever wars, no
for wars. Now he was also saying he was going to blow the shit out of bad guys all the time.
But, and so you know, even, you know, when Pierre talked about this piece is ...
go to college just to talk to a young man and they would be worried in 2024 about being drafted.
βLike that, I mean, that was the thing they got brought up during the campaign. That the Kamalaβ
Harris would bring the draft back and draft you. And you're hearing that again. Like there is this, like it is a consistent viewpoint. And Donald Trump is broken a core promise. I mean, there are three reasons why people voted for Donald Trump. Who were like, we're actually legitimately on the fence. Prices immigration and my immigration, I mean, the border and war and he's raised prices. He has run a immigration strategy that went so far beyond anything
he promised and is not what people want. And now he has gone and started multiple wars. And now has this embroiled in the greatest conflict we've been in in a decade. Yeah, and I do think it speaks to the need for, and I know, you know, Ben and Tommy talked about this this week on HUD saved the world. And I've been talking about it for a while. But like the
βneed for Democrats, clearly to become an anti-war party or at least back to a war as a last resort,β
military force as a last resort party. Because it is clear that the impression that a lot of these young men and other voters had about Kamala Harris and the potential that she might get us into wars or draft is based on, you know, a lot of lies and misinformation pushed by Trump and his supporters for sure. It's also true that if you inspected all of Kamala Harris's positions closely, you would probably come to the conclusion that, yeah, she's not going to start World War III,
nor is she going to bring back the draft, right? That's pretty obvious. But in the years that Joe Biden was president and Kamala Harris was vice president and even in her campaign, did it seem like there was an emphasis on keeping America out of wars or on keeping America out of foreign wars. I would say probably not, particularly with the way that like you said Biden behaved in Gaza. And also the, I would argue necessary support for Ukraine against Putin's invasion. But also,
it was something that was, it wasn't just happening that like, oh, well, you know, we're going to help defend Europe and we're going to do this. It was like touted all the time, talked about because it was, you know, we connected this fight against Russia and Ukraine's fight against Russia, which sort of like the global fight against authoritarianism. And again, lots of good reasons to make that connection and to offer that support. But I do think as Democrats run again
in 2026, especially in 2028, you've got to be pretty clear about our stance on war and the use of force and not do the thing that every fucking Democratic nominee does, particularly Democratic nominees who don't have military background, who don't have foreign policy experience and just say a lot of words to show how tough they are because we know that strength is important and
βthe only way to, and we somehow equate strength with talking tough about war. That is the mostβ
important point, which is in the, in the post Vietnam era, in the sort of really exemplified in Carter's presidency around Iran, ironically enough in the effort and the, the seizing of the embassy and then the failed missions to try to rescue the people, the Americans held hostage in the embassy, Democrats became seen as weak. And we have tried to solve that problem by being pro-war, by being bellicose, that is how we stumbled into the Iraq war. It's why so many Democrats thought that they
should vote for it. I mean, the problem was, was worsened in the 90s when early 90s, when a
bunch of Democrats voted against the first Gulf War, and it ended like in 30 days in George W. Bush,
H. W. Bush went to a 90% approval, and so then we're like, we're not going to make that mistake again, when what takes actual strength is to oppose war. Right, that was, that was ultimately why Obama succeeded in 2008, because he was the candidate who was seen as strong enough, who had the courage to stand up against war. And if you think that the we are in these messes as a party, because we have conflated being tough with being pro-war, and that does not
have the American people see it. They want someone who was strong enough and smart enough to get us out of the of wars, to keep us from getting in these sort of fights. In the media and and Punditree contributes to this. However, there's so a bit of so fucking pro war. Because inevitably,
every campaign, there's like a million stories at some point in the campaign about how this
Democratic candidate must pass the Commander-in-Chief test. And then, you know, doodifully, the Democratic presidential candidate will say things like, "I'm ready to be Commander-in-Chief on day one." And I will use the most lethal military force and all the fucking shit that the blob, who's advising, the DC blob, who's advising that candidate, tells them to put in their
Speeches.
because they don't have the background, they don't have the experience, they don't have the military
βexperience. A lot of this is gendered as well, which is why Kamal Harris and Hillary Clintonβ
held the deal with it, too. But like, you just, it is an artificial sort of facade of, like,
bellicose militarism that no one's buying, first of all, and only makes you look more hawkish
when people don't want that. So that was what the young men thought in that focus group. Marjorie Taylor Green also tweeted on Thursday. We've been talking about people like Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, who were against this war. Marjorie Taylor Green, certainly one of these MAGA folks. She tweeted on Thursday that she's been talking to other, quote, "America first conservatives." She's not MAGA anymore. She's America first. There's a split.
Tomato tomato. Yeah, and they all agree that the party has been hijacked by Neocons and boomers, and that quote, "an entire generation of elected leaders, their donors, and controlling interests on both sides have to be quote removed by outside pressure." What's, what's Marjorie got going on there? Just as a point of fact, a pretty short Trump's member of the silent generation. Yeah, that's true. He's older than them. The problem
is that the boomers, it's not a problem. I think he and Biden are both silent generation. Wow. Yeah, those are the people. Like, we don't even think about the silent generation, but they're the ones pulling the strings and watching to these days. On the day that Jim Clyburn announced he's running for reelection at age 86. Yeah, they're just a spring chicken. Spring chicken. No. It's just as, uh, I can't. I don't even get into that. It's bad. How's the how about that?
βIt's not taking it's bad. No. It's a good take. Here's the thing that I think this war is showing usβ
more anything else is that MAGA doesn't really exist as a lot of people think about it. I think we've talked about how, you know, Trump is the symptom of a larger problem in American politics and that is true. And we've talked about this idea of Trumpism as a sort of a movement or a philosophy that we extend past Trump and then you know, all these discussions, Trump's going to ask people if you think it's a better leader for MAGA, JD Vance or Marka Rubio. MAGA is fake.
It's a cold of personality. If you look at it in this, like, there are definitely elite leaders, well, seeing the podcast space who are like, true believers of some of the shit, like, the people, Marjorie Taylor Green's talking about. But in the polling, when they look at MAGA, we're self-identifying MAGA Republicans and non- MAGA Republicans, the ones who are more pro-war are the MAGA Republicans and because they're more pro-Trump. And so whatever Trump is for, therefore,
and so the site, so what is going to happen when Trump fades into the background and there is this, you know, 2020 or a Republican nomination is not a battle for who's going to lead Trump's movement, true, Trump's movement dies with him. It's what the rest of the Republican looks like at party looks like after Trump. Right. And like, on that thing, it's going to look good because of the, you know, decade of radicalization of people into this sort of depraved, nihilistic,
negative, and ideological politics. But it's not America first. It's not nationalism. It's not,
it's like race-based grievance politics, then take it where you want from there.
βYeah, I mean, I think that there, I think you could see an America first movement that is veryβ
nationalistic xenophobic populist. Again, it doesn't look great, but you could see it standing contrast with the hawks that are left in the party, the deficit hawks that are left in the party. There's not a lot of them, right? There's going to be some segments of the party that really are driven by more racial grievance. There's going to be an immigration. There's going to be others that are maybe driven by, you know, more economic concerns, even though they're not going to
end up embracing any decent economic policies. But like I do think it is a, I think the point is it's going to be a war for the soul of the party. Yes, not a war for the whole, for the, to lead the Trump movement because that's not a real thing. Right, and I don't think it's going to be a
battle between like the never-trumpers and the rest of the party. I think they're, I think that they're
out for good. I think it's going to be the different warring factions of maga that we're seeing right now. It just, it doesn't stand for any, like if Trump came out tomorrow for Obamacare, they'd all be pro-obamacare. Like that's the thing that is here. And so it doesn't really mean anything. Like it is just a, the voters serve, the Republican base voters serve Trump whatever Trump wants. They don't serve a bunch of ideas that Trump then because come to represent for them.
Like you see this with abortion, right? Like this is, was the, you know, obviously dobs happen, but Trump, you know, has not said anything about abortion for years now, right? Since the election, and no one, and then you don't hear anything from the evangelicals about it because that's not what Trump wants. But if Trump board a picket is his top issue tomorrow, that would be the top issue again. It's just, I just think it's important to
Understand the difference between a, an America first movement, the Trump's t...
an a movement that is about Donald Trump that is sometimes called America first and may have some
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this one from Axios. Quote, "Waithouse tells House Republicans to stop talking about mass deportations. What? Here is House Speaker Mike Johnson, valiantly trying out the new line on Tuesday." We got a little hiccup with some of his panic and Latino voters for certain because some of the immigration enforcement was viewed to be overzealous and you know everybody can describe it differently, but here's the good news. We're in a course correction mode right now. We're going to have a new
secretary of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Mullin is going to do a great job in that role. I'm sure that you'll. Just a hiccup. Just a flesh wound. You know, and it could be some people have described it as overzealous and it could be described different ways. You pick your adjective. I'm not saying it's overzealous in case Donald Trump is watching this right now. I'm not saying that. Some may have said that. Also just like what an annoying doofus he is.
It's just like he just it's so the way like this. He's describing mass deportation and the mass of political problem the Republicans have because of it. In this like weird, sing, songy, Ned Flanders voice. It's just it's very bad. It's to hiccup. Just a hiccup with some Latino voters just over the fact that we have a paramilitary force hunting them down in their neighborhoods regardless of whether their citizens are not. So James Blair, who is the, this is the
White House's top political guy. He's deputy chief of staff. They always trot him out to try to say
what the message should be. And then everyone else in the White House just ignores the advice says
βdo Republicans. Remember he did that around affordability is like Donald Trump. After the after theβ
off-year elections he's like Donald Trump's now going to focus on affordability. We know that we get the we're if really important in the next day Donald Trump's like affordability is a hoax. So he also told House Republicans. He was the one who said stop talking about mass deportation. He told them to turn the midterms into a choice election by reminding voters about Democrats, Biden era positions on crime, cashless bail and open borders. That was the quote.
Would that be your advice too? I wouldn't give them advice, John, but I would point out that this strategy is doomed to fail for one very, very bitter pill for Donald Trump and James Blair to swallow, which is Joe Biden president. Well, not only Joe Biden not president, 60% of voters in a
Recent NPR Maris poll believe that a matter that things were better when Joe ...
then includes 68% of independence. And so your message cannot be watch out for Biden's old policies.
When they even if they didn't like Biden's old policies, they think your policy sucks more.
βBut you already think that their life is worse off because of Donald Trump's policies. And soβ
in at a time of war with $100 a barrel oil, do you think cashless bail is going to tip the elections for you? Like truly, these guys are so far up their own asses that it's like hard to see straight. There, someone from Fox called up the White House after that Axia story and asked about the mass deportations policy and the White House said there's no change whatsoever in the White House's deportation or immigration policies. So they're still pursuing mass deportation, but
they just can't talk about it. Can't talk about mass deportation. The war that you're seeing
is actually over. It's going about the get. It's going great. The tariffs you're paying
that the Supreme Court said are illegal. You're not getting a refund. The extra gap, the higher gas prices you're paying are actually great because, you know, we're all making money. Oil companies are making money and everything's great. And I don't know what else is there. That's that space. Everything's wonderful. Everything's wonderful. Check out this ballroom. Look at that. Great. Yes. And don't worry. The president is spending at least three to four times as much
time as he is on the war. And they kind of me on decorating the ballroom he's building. Because his true passion is interior design. I don't know what I would tell them the messages. Like, I mean, I guess then the other, you know, they're like, oh, you got to talk about the prescription drug thing, which, like, he didn't do anything on prescription drugs. That's like anything of significance at all. But he did some like fake website and a couple things here and
there that might help some people who don't have insurance. If they go on the website and get some discounts on prescription drugs, it's very, it's, I looked into it. It's, it's very, very little. But this, this is their big thing. They think, oh, if the Republicans are out there, and they've they've done the polling on this and they, they tell them all the candidates go out there and talk about what Trump has done on prescription drugs. Like, that is the key. Okay. No, you know,
that's almost like, like, it is eerie. How similar is to some of the things we read about Biden's
βplans? And honestly, I don't know what I would tell them either other than to go fuck themselves,β
but the, that'd be my advice, James Blair. But they, they're going to do anything to be helpful is they would kind of do what Biden actually did, which was just be quiet for the last six months. Like, Biden was not there campaigning for anyone. He wasn't trying to make the election about him. I've been to like, get that democracy speech at the very end. He was, he just kind of let, that's true. It's wrong. He showed a lot of discipline, even though he was unhappy. Yeah.
That I don't think Trump will be showing that to Splendid. That's, that's it. I also think if you told Mike Johnson to go fuck himself, it would fly in the face of his covenant eyes app. That he could have sung. So I think that's going to be somewhere his son is just getting an alert on his phones. Something I thought about that message wouldn't
be received as well. So basically, the president basically had one piece of advice for a
publicans in Congress. It's become more of an all-consuming demand, which is to pass the Save America Act, a bill that would require, as we've talked about, every American to present their passport or birth certificate in person at a local elections office in order to register to vote. Trump is also demanding that the bill include a nationwide ban on most mail-in voting and a ban on transportation and sports and gender affirming care for minors because why not? He said that
he won't sign any legislation until the bill is passed. And yet, the votes still aren't there in the Senate without nukeing the filibuster, which Republicans also don't have the votes for his John Thune continues telling everyone who will listen. They did just get one convert, however, Texas is John Cornean, who's locked in a primary runoff with Ken Paxton, who said he'd only consider dropping out of the race if the Save Act passes. So, because of that, Cornean wrote
an op-ed in the New York Post this week explaining that he now does support ending the filibuster to pass the Save America Act. Again, they still don't have the votes. But Cornean is having a hard time answering questions about his change of heart after many, many years in politics defending the filibuster. Let's take a listen. We've just said that nukeing the filibuster would be taking a wrecking ball to Senate rules. Is that no longer true?
I said I'd be open to reforms. What would you say to those who say you've just changed your mind to win the president's endorsement? I'd say that's not true. You also said that it's not true. I think I think we're through. Go away. Yeah, think we're. Think we're through. Still seems like there's absolutely no way this thing is
βgetting passed, but am I missing something? There's some secret trick they got up their sleeve?β
I don't you don't miss anything. You should be clear. Trump's made this so much harder.
It was almost impossible.
the original Save Act instead Trump has decided to add all these provisions, including a
βbat, as you said, like these complete trainingist things around transport's participation inβ
general affirming care, but also mail balloting, like Susan Collins who, insanely supports the Save Act, has said that she is very concerned about a bill telling states how to handle their absentee ballot programs, which, I mean, the Constitution may also have a thing or two to say about that, but so it seems hard for them to pass the old version. The new version seems like an impossibility. I've been trying to think like, just to like take a dive on the dark side, like how could they
actually do it? Because they can lose three Republicans, right? So you assume, even if she supports the bill, Susan Collins are really going to nuke the filibuster to pass the Save Act? No.
Susan McCalsky? No. Mr. McConnell still kicking around. That's three right there.
And until, as I said, he's not going to do it. Until us, so it's seeing that scene. And then,
βyou also Kennedy has said that. So it seems hard. They don't have the votes.β
Yeah, it doesn't seem like it is possible for them to do it. Even if Trump has pulled off with at least House Republicans in the past, like what seemed to be impossible votes, but usually that's getting conservatives to vote for something more moderate. Like, and I more moderate, I'm saying, with all kinds of air quotes, because not not particularly moderate. But it's getting, there are no matters to be getting the less Trumpy Republicans to come over to the Trumpy
side, is something he's had last success with. So it seems very, very hard, as we said here
today. So I say that. It seems like where this is headed is, it fails. They have the vote.
They try their, all they speak in yell and scream and all the right wing influencers freak out and all that shit. It doesn't go anywhere. Dies. And then Trump announces he's doing an executive order that is the Save America Act. And he's just going to, you know, claim by Fiat that it is past, or just, you know, EO, the provisions into being. And then into law. And then it'll be challenged in court and thrown out. And that'll be that. Yeah, that's the end. And maybe it'll be
a pretext for when they lose the midterms for them to all scream about how Democrats cheated. And if we had passed the Save America Act, and if the courts hadn't, you know, the Supreme Court hadn't betrayed Donald Trump, then Republicans would have won the midterms. And so now we're going to see some voting machines. I don't know. But like, you can, you can see where this is headed.
βYeah, that's fair. I think that's a good, that's a good articulation of what's likely to happen.β
Yeah, I'll be real fucking shit show. One other story to file under Republicans acting fucking nuts. On Monday, Tennessee, Congressman Andy Ogles tweeted, quote, Muslims don't belong in American society. pluralism is a lie. This came after Florida Congressman Randy Fine, tweeted in February, quote, if they force us to choose the choice between dogs and Muslims is not a difficult one. Then just on Thursday, after a popular right-wing troll account,
posted a tweet juxtaposing a picture of the twin towers exploding with Zoran Mamdani, hosting an iftar celebration. Alabama Senator Tommy Tabervill retweeted it with the comment, quote, the enemy is inside the gates referring to Mamdani. Maybe even more disturbing than those three, when reporters asked a bunch of Republicans in Congress this week for their reaction to Ogles tweet, about how Muslims don't belong in American society, a lot of them just refused to condemn it.
The number three ranked Republican in the House Tom Emmer was asked six times by a reporter, whether he thinks Muslims belong in American society. Six times in a row, each time he refused to say yes. Just would not say yes. I don't know. I'm like, I'm at a complete loss for this one. Like it's disgusting. It is, if anyone said that about any other religion, Judaism, Christianity, it would be a fucking national uproar. This has nothing to do with
sort of Islamic inspired terrorists or any kind of extra, it's nothing to do with any of that, even though some of them in their backtrack can try to make it. It's just people who are Muslim in this country, they do not want here. And you have elected Republicans saying they do not want Muslims in the society. You have elected Republicans saying that Zoran Mamdani, the mayor of New York City, should be denaturized and deported. You have other ones just calling for just
people who practice Islam in this country to be deported. It's fucking, it's, it's disgusting. And I don't even know what, like, what should Democrats say about it? I feel like I've seen a lot of tweets from a lot of Democrats saying that it's disgusting. I don't really don't know what else there is to do, but it's something people should realize is happening out there.
Yeah, I mean, I had the exact same reaction, which is it's so horrifying.
anti-Muslim bigotry, social acceptable. It's only within the Republican Party, if not in America, you know, as you said, if you were to substitute any other religion there, there would be a fierce
uproar. And I think Democrats who have called it out are good to do, but I always wrestle with
this, which is these people are disgusting trolls, and they want our outrage, and are we giving them what they want by addressing it? You know, I just, like, I really, like, it should be called out, like an absolute should be called out. And no one should be afraid to call it out. This is not a situation where like, oh, we, you know, this might be politically precarious. No, you should call. I think this is terrible. It's not just disgusting morally. It's, I think it's also terrible politics.
I think people look at that and think that most Americans don't even think that's disgusting. Like, why would you even say that? Like, why would you be so divisive? Like, what, why would you be so
βhateful? Like, I don't think that I don't think it's good politics. That's why I think it's theβ
right thing to call it out. I think what to do here is, like, you're never going to get
Andy Ogles, Tommy Tuberville, Randy Fine, to be less horrible. They're not going to have an epiphany one day and not be, these, the disgusting people they show themselves to be. The thing to do is to deliver fierce, powerful political punishment on the people who are enabling this in their Republican party, Tom Emer, the number three Republican. I mean, Mike Johnson, let's just go every single day. Right. They could call this out. They could, they could, they could speak up
for their constituents. There are Muslims live in every district, almost every district, and certainly every state in this country. None of them call out is the way to do is to make them pay a huge political price for this, to challenge, to channel our anger and our outrage. Not personally into protecting and thinking about and caring for the Muslims who are being targeted here, but into efforts to just beat the living shit out of these Republicans in the election.
βI think my mdani had maybe the best response. He, he quote, tweeted Tuberville and said,β
"Let there be as much outrage from politicians in Washington when kids go hungry as there is when I break bread with New Yorkers." Yeah. Which is just surprising. It's bringing the whole thing back onto, onto his terms, right, and not having to deal with that. But it is, it's fucked man. Pot say America is brought to you by Sundays. Is your dog's food created to maximize your dog's quality of life or to extend the food's shelf life? Think about it. And while you do,
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Alright, a couple of things before we go. Elon Musk's Doge is back in the headlines. Thanks to a lawsuit files last year to reverse cuts to the national endowment for the humanities. Apparently, Elon's Doge Bros fed every NEH grant into chatGPT and asked it. Does the following relate at all to DEI respond factually and less than 120 characters begin with yes or no. That was
the prompt. The result was the cancellation of $100 million in already appropriated funding,
Congress already appropriated it, and the firing of 65% of the staff at the national endowment for the humanities, which some of the Doge Bros are having to answer for under oath as part of the lawsuit. Here's part of a video that 404 media put together with some of the highlights from a former Doge staffer Justin Fox. How do you interpret DEI? There was the EO explicitly laid out. The details? I remember it all thought we had a
Question for your understanding of it.
EO. I don't remember what it was in the EO. So right now, do you have an understanding of what DEI is?
Yeah, okay. So what's your understanding as you sit here today at this step as usual? Well, it was exactly what was written in the EO. Why is a documentary about Holocaust survivors? DEI. Action. This is the gender-based story that's inherently discriminatory to focus on this specific group. It's inherently discriminatory to focus on what's specific group. The gender-based so females are wearing the Holocaust. And you believe that's inherently discriminatory?
βI understand that's what it's focused on. But this is related to DEI.β
Oh my god. I hadn't seen that clip. No, it was first time. First time. What? Well, the Holocaust is a, these people are fucking stupid. Elon Musk is fucking stupid. The fucking people are hired or stupid. And everyone during the whole Doge thing that was like, these kids are brilliant. And they're blah, blah, blah, blah. And just giving them a chance. And about, no, they're all fucking stupid. They should have been nowhere near the government and
fuck them. Just some of the worst dumbest people were given the most important jobs. And with
incredible questions. You can code. Oh, good for fucking you. You can. Where's that code? You can get you now. Plays you fucking clawed. Exactly. Yeah. Chatchee, B.T. My ass right there. It's just, like, they're like, we are laughing this and we should because these clowns should be ridiculed out of place society. But USAID programs, gutted, children died. People got sick. People lost their jobs. I know. Because of a bunch of fucking goobers who had no idea what they're doing. Who worked
for the world's biggest group are who had no idea what he was doing. Got in there. Back to the, back to the group are themselves. Yes. Exactly. Put in a bunch of poorly-worded prompts into a old version of Chatchee, B.T. And fired a bunch of people and cut off a bunch of programs. I just fucking. You cannot run against Silicon Valley hard enough in the next race. Yeah, there's a story today about a bunch of tech venture capitalists who want to raise a
half a billion dollars to shape California politics. Saw that. Saw that. Yeah. I was just arguing
βwith Jamoth on Twitter. Although, you were, I'll say I didn't. Here's the thing, Dan. He tweetedβ
about the Washington, the New Washington state in millionaires tax, income tax. They're all been bitching about the wealth tax. And if this is just an income tax that hits millionaires, that's it. And I just quoted it and said, this, this billionaire, you know, this billionaire has a problem with, uh, with millionaires paying a little bit more. This is something very like Anadine. And he just, like, responded with this long fucking thing. And it was just a complete asshole.
And you know what I did? I didn't respond. You know what, John? I feel like it was two weeks ago we had what some of our listeners thought was a mild intervention on my part. It was more of a proposition about your mental health. But you wrote it in those two weeks. Not in a minute. If it's not a senior administration official, I'm going to let it go, which is I did. Does he not have that, not in a follow-up for you to get your, he's get your jolly's out of it. Like there's
a level which is no longer thrilling. Yeah, like who cares which amount does. But anyway, I do think that like people like him and the David Saxes and all the AI fucking, you know, overlords now, like this is that the politics there are so bad for them. And I do think that like people in this country are so angry and it's fucking had it with like Elon Musk and the tech bros and all these fucking assholes that like, you know, I, like I said, I do not think you can run hard enough against
that that whole crew if you're a Democrat or Republican for that matter running in 2028. And you're going to get a chance to because the between the crypto industry and the AI industry, there's going to be hundreds and millions of dollars spent in super tech funding. And even in Democratic primaries, we're seeing the crypto packs have come in against Julianne Stratton, who's Lieutenant Governor running in Illinois as soon as you, you know, got near the top of the
βpolls. They dropped, you know, I think $5 million in ads on her. So there's a real, like this isβ
the real thing. And also, this is a different topic, but these people are also so fucking bad at politics. Yeah, it's like all these AI people who are in there being like arrogant assholes who are certain themselves in politics, they do not seem to recognize, because even though they're making a ton of money, you know, it's like Sam Altman sweeping in with the Chatchee PT contract with the Pentagon, is that they have to get their data centers built in local communities. And if your
brain is in this shit, because you're being run by an arrogant assholes who is keeping up to the least popular president in recent memory, then it's going to be really hard to get local communities
To approve your data centers.
They're being advised by greedy people who are bad at politics, like it's just, they're all fucking
βclowns. Yeah, agree. That's not the only dose story we have. The Washington Post also just reportedβ
that a whistleblower has come forward alleging that a different dose staffer at the Social Security Administration copied two highly sensitive databases, so he could use them at his new job with a private employer. The guy in question apparently asked the whistleblower for help in transferring one of the databases off of a thumb drive to his personal computer, so that he could quote sanitize the data and said that he expected to receive a presidential pardon, of course,
if his work was found to be illegal. One of the databases was called the Master Death File
included records for more than 500 million living and dead Americans, including social security
numbers, places and dates of birth, citizenship, race and ethnicity, and parents names. Isn't that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside? Should be one of the biggest stories in America because it would be one of the biggest data breaches in the history of the federal government? Yeah, and at the end of the story, they're like, and no one knows was there. One copy made of it, no copies. A whole dozen copies, a hundred copies,
no one can say. I'm sure DOJ's looking into it. I guess right now there's an inspector general
βinternal investigation at the Social Security Administration. That's how we found outβ
about the story in the Washington Post because they had to notify Congress that they were doing this inspector general investigation. But like, I don't know, seems a little crimy to me, seems like there could be some crimes here. When you bring up a perspective, presidential pardon in the discussion, involving how to get something onto a jump drive, your problem. Yeah, when the stuff on the jump drive is the private, the most private
information for every American. I can't wait to see what Dipshit started out this guy went to go work for. It's like, probably open AI. There's like, you could be something that's probably something just so ridiculous like, um, I don't know, like, Uber for bowling lanes or something.
Fuck. Finally, finally, this is a light one. A story about how our wartime president has been
βextremely focused on footwear, um, and not just his, either. Earlier this week, the Wall Streetβ
general reported that Trump has, quote, fallen in love with shoes from a company called Floreshime, which he keeps gifting to, quote, agency heads, lawmakers, White House advisors and VIPs. So Trump has apparently been, uh, checking out people's shoes during cabinet meetings, and then guessing their shoe size in front of everyone, which hilariously led to Marco Rubio saying he's in 11 and a half, which he's not, because shortly after the article was released, various photos
of Rubio and a pair of obviously oversized dress shoes went viral. So, and JD Vance has told the story as well that, like, Trump said to Marco and JD and some meeting like, "Hey, you both have shitty shoes. I got these new shoes that I love. What are your shoe sizes?" And so they give them the shoe sizes and JD Vance says he's a 13. It's like, fuck, fucking big foot over there. And then, uh, and then Marco says 11 and a half after JD Vance said 13. And Donald Trump says,
you know, you can tell a lot about a man from his shoe size. So, so Rubio inflates his size. Trump gives the shoes to everyone as a gift. And then they're all stuck wearing their shoes around. In Marco's case, the don't fit him. I mean, just such small dick energy from Marco Rubio. He's like, little, little, Marco, Trump nailed that nickname. Yes, nailed it. He, Marco Rubio measures his shoe size from the base. So it's, I mean, can you just imagine,
like, he wore them to Davos. Like, the man is on his feet, like 18 hours a day, wearing shoes that do not fit because he's afraid to admit to the press United States that his shoe size is smaller than he thinks. He did want to be more than a size and half smaller than JD Vance. Who was also probably lying about his feet as well? How many persons do you think he's trying to put on? I was just going to say that. Well, also the, the internet did its thing and sort of
they did like a zepruder like collection of like various Marco Rubio pictures photos. So there's one where he clearly looks ridiculous. There's some others where you can still see a little space in the shoe. And then they have pictures from before he got the shoes when he was wearing other shoes, which clearly fit him quite well. So you can just see the evolution and suddenly Rubio's just
Walking around, tripping over his big dumb shoes that Donald Trump gave him.
business insider, hopefully pointed this out that Florechum's parent company has sued for a
βrefund on Trump's terrace. Fucking perfect. Perfect. Well, enjoy your shoes, everyone. Why is Trumpβ
really does speak to something that's going on with Trump? In these, it's very like aging dictator declining empire vibes, where he's just like, it's, it's, it's very in line with the
caring about the ballroom and the decorations and the Kennedy Center and the armrests. And it's like,
you know, he's just sitting around these meetings, probably like they're talking about, fucking missile launches about about the street of Hormuz. Yeah, oil prices or, you know, any
βnumber of other important things. And he's sitting there looking under the table and he's like,β
which, like, shoes size of you. I don't like those shoes. I got to send you some Florechum shoes
for a hundred and forty five bucks a pair and will it be your size? Who knows? Who knows? I, I bet it's telling me a big size. You've had telling me a big size. I'm going to think you have a small day. Do you think we would not be in war with the ram right now? If Mark and Rubio had shoes it fit. It's unclear. Unclear. Unclear. Oh, boy. Well, that's our show for today, Dan. We're going to end on that note. It's a good note on it. I hope everyone's wearing the shoes that fit them. Love it,
we'll be back in the feed on Sunday with the conversation with Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro. Maybe he'll find out how big his shoes are, huh? Bye, everyone. Bye.
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