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This series includes discussion of inhumane medical experimentation, including on children. Violence, sexual assault, abuse of children and cultural genocide. We've gone to the box in the archive where these records should be, but they're not there, we're really sorry. We are leaving the Allen, Dr. Cameron, and the murky waters of MK Ultra to meet one of his associates.

We were all the time in Montreal, so we went to go visit family. We would go for tea at Dr. Layman's apartment. Another man regarded by many as one of the greats of psychiatry, Dr. Heinz Layman. And everyone in the family would say, "Oh, Dr. Layman was a saint." That was, like, for some peculiar reason.

"Oh, every time somebody would say that we're Dr. Layman, oh, Dr. Layman was a saint." I'm Dr. Julia Shaw, and this is Project Mind Control.

“I think we need to start really from my mother, actually.”

My story from my mother. Alyssa Rivers spoke with us in the summer of 2025. Her mother, Carol, was born in Montreal. She was an artist. Carol's artwork would eventually be exhibited in galleries across Canada and the U.S.

and sold to people around the world. But there was one painting from her early days as an artist that changed Carol's life. So when my mother was 18, she was in Montreal. She was engaged to a guy around 1969, 1960, around there. And so she was pretty young.

Now, I don't know the context of how this painting was produced. I don't know if it was, you know, done in a class. But anyway, it was a difficult painting, okay?

“And she gave this painting to the match she was engaged to as a gift.”

The gift wasn't well-received, at least not by her fiance's mother. The mother took one look at the painting and said, "This woman clearly is disturbed. There's no way that you're going to marry her, cut it off." So being a beautiful son, he cut off the engagement.

The painting is a self-portrait. It's purples and blacks, and she's sort of holding her head like this. It's a watercolor. In it, Carol is holding her own face, and she's staring almost absent mindedly into the distance. She looks melancholic, sad.

It was a difficult painting, but it was a painting to like read into it too much. I think it was potentially problematic. This reminds me of the short film for the Allen Institute. I don't want you to say you come back with me and tell me about it. I don't want to go back.

I don't want you. It's just for a minute. Just for a little while anyway. This is from the 1956 film by the Canadian National Film Board back into the Sun. Someone who looks like a doctor is talking about art as a window to the psyche.

This is Kathy's first painting.

“Look at the dark colors, thick, heavy clouds.”

Here, a tiny figure, that's Kathy. And over here, the huge dominant one, and we know who that is. The mother figure, although still large, is now facing us. With her engagement called off, Alyssa's mother was understandably heartbroken. Then the story goes, my mother's marks went from straight days to like failing everything

sort of felt to shit pardon me. And she threatened to jump out the dorm room window at Victoria College at Miguel. I don't know if she's really going to jump out the dorm room window. I don't know. It's impossible to know whether Carol was showing early signs of mental illness, or was

a regular teenager suffering from her first heartbreak.

“What we do know is that the consequences of her suicide threat would change the course”

of her life. I like to say, unfortunately my grandmother was a little too well connected. Carol's mother was a professor at Miguel. She taught social work. My grandmother looked around and said, "Well, who's the best psychiatrist to send my daughter

to?" And from there, my mother became a patient of Dr. Laman's. While Dr. Cameron was running the Allen Institute, Dr. Heinz Laman was working at a different psychiatric facility affiliated with Miguel, called the Verdun Protestant Hospital. Dr. Heinz Laman was born in Germany in 1911.

By the age of 15, he had read all of Siegmund Freud's works and decided to become a psychiatrist, which for him was a radical thing to do. My father was a surgeon and he was terribly disappointed that I wanted to go into psychiatry. This is Dr. Laman. He is being interviewed for a film that is all about him.

He is called Untangling the Mind, the legacy of Dr. Heinz Laman. And it was released in the year 2000. In it, he describes his career in a very matter-of-fact way. Almost as if he's reading his CV, calm and quietly proud. Right from the beginning when I studied medicine, he said that this didn't regard it as

really a respectable specialty of medicine. I had made up my mind so I wanted to go into it and so I did. At the age of 24, he graduated with a medical degree from the University of Berlin. And at the age of 26, in 1937, he fled Nazi Germany. And eventually, made his way to Canada, where he ended up on the faculty of Miguel University.

So here, my mother would continue on her story and say that she was admitted with Dr. Laman to the Verdun Protestant Hospital.

“I think it's what it was called at the time and she received what she would say.”

She alleges, I have to say, "Leges, I haven't seen the documents, but over and over growing up, this is what I was told." She'd say, "I've received hundreds of shop treatments to erase my memory." Dr. Heinz Laman is not known to have participated in the mind-control experiments that Dr. You and Cameron was running. But Alyssa would really like us to find out whether there is a connection between them.

And this was necessary or whatever, but this it worked. You know, it would erase the memory for childhood, which was the intention. This sounds a lot like Dr. Cameron's deep patterning, reversing the brain to a blank slate. The intention wasn't to erase the memory period. It was as it was explained to me was the erase memory for childhood.

And my mom's childhood really, I mean, you know, it didn't seem particularly horrid. I mean, it was seems to me pretty average. There's nothing huge in there that you would think needed to be erased or would have called for erasure. But the background of Alyssa's childhood was the painting.

Her mother's self-portrait in blue that got her sent to Dr. Laman.

It always hung in the living room, watching over Alyssa with its sad eyes.

Wherever we traveled to, with my father being a diplomat, every time we moved, this painting was always put in a position of prominence in our house. As a reminder of what had happened to her, for her for us for everybody to remember.

She continued to see other psychiatrists as the family moved around,

as well as Dr. Laman, all for life. From Carol's perspective, her treatment had been a success and she valued her relationship with Dr. Laman. She would even brag about the fact that she was Dr. Laman's favorite patient. Dr. Laman told me several years ago before my husband died that I was his most successful patient.

“I think he said that because I never gave up.”

Here she is speaking in untangling the mind. Carol is wearing a pearl necklace and is speaking cheerfully about her time under the care of Dr. Laman. In 1959, I was 17. I had a severe psychotic breakdown. I knew I was crazy. My mother knew Dr. Laman. They had worked together professionally.

He came to my house in the middle of the night. It was a real emergency. And he was amazed that I was cognitive of the fact that I was crazy. He said, "Don't worry, Mrs. Freeman, I'll get her back to university in two weeks." But it didn't work out that way. It was a year. I'm a manic depressive, but I cope very well.

And it's not my fault that I'm a manic depressive. I didn't go about committing adultery or stealing. It's not a moral problem.

And yet, my mother never accepted me till I became quite well known as an artist.

Only when you could praise my paintings could she accept me as a human being. My sister is the same thing. My daughter doesn't accept me. Either. The daughter she is referring to is Alyssa. So, if Carol didn't consider her treatment to be damaging or abusive, why are we talking about it?

It's a story of art and abuse. You know, it's a story of my big trauma in life. Because Alyssa's experience of her mother was very different from what is being portrayed in the clip. All my life until I started asking questions, maybe at 42, I just assumed it was

“meant to illness because that's what people kept telling me.”

And that this series of shock treatments that she had received to erase her memory of her childhood was something that was just like necessary, not abnormal, not question, just like, "Oh yeah, you know, the sky's blue, grass is green, you mother had a few hundred shock treatments, erase her memory." Even after they moved to New York, whenever the family visited Montreal,

they would go to Dr. Lemons for tea. We were all the time in Montreal, so we went to go visit family, we would go to for tea at Dr. Lemons' apartment. The only thing that I thought was a bit strange was that, as my mother explained it,

his wife and their son were always in the bedroom.

So I never actually met on the number of times, now in retrospect, I can see that there was something wrong. I mean, I knew there was something wrong. I moved out when I was 15 because there was something wrong. And I think that my mother exhibited a lack of empathy. She had difficulty in that department. And at some points, Alyssa also began to wonder, just how normal or necessary, these treatments her mother had received really were.

But I've asked people since relatives, you know, did my mother show any signs of mental health

“issues before this? And the answer is always no. So that's why I just, again,”

where she treated for the right thing, did they cause the damage? It is entirely possible that repeatedly administering shocks, especially the kinds of high-voltage shocks that were being used by people like Dr. Lemon and Dr. Cameron, could have caused permanent damage to her brain. Alyssa is still trying to make sense of her childhood and the way her mother treated her.

It was inappropriate. It wasn't like, you know, typical sexual abuse, I suppose. But it was an inappropriate thing that happened. But I guess this is the part that that comes down to it. You know, when I was a kid, my mother believed like everything was in the service of great art, right? So when I was a little kid, my mother decided I suppose and made an agreement with my father

that she would be allowed to look at me, make it, to study my body so she could become better at life drawing.

This is, she would sit on the toilet closed and I was sustaining in front of her naked,

“teeny tiny little thing like a little read, you know, and she would, with her jerky motion, you know,”

hold me like this, looking, looking carefully, like down to the poor, you know, it's more invasive than an extra having an artist look, examine every bit of you. She wasn't examining my private parts by the way, but I'm just telling you that this was naked, studying my body, and it felt like I was on fire, and I would run out of the bathroom, I guess when I was old enough to realize what was going on, I would run out of the bathroom and I'd run to my father,

and I'd say, please, please, you've got to tell her to stop. This is not okay. I hate this.

And you would say, your mother, my father's very proprietest. Your mother and I have made an agreement that until you hit puberty, she would be allowed to do this. And so you go back, and I would do to

“flee, go back into the bathroom, and then just like, I don't know, space out, right, just space out,”

while she would continue doing this. This went on. As I recollect every single day, until I hit puberty, to drag, you know, because my mother had great followers, you know, people who think she was wonderful, and in a lot of ways she was wonderful. And when she talked about art, she was like compelling, charismatic, and interesting, and it was as if there was nothing wrong with her, when she spoke about art, it was really great. But what happened in the home was a bit different.

Nah, I don't have any plans for such a thing, because the red-cappuccino leaves the world in front of you with your mother or your mother, or your mother, by the time you leave, you have no idea what you are going to do. And in order to give you an interview with her, I would like to ask you a little more about the red-cappuccino and the blue-cappuccino and the blue-cappuccino. Dr. Lehman believed that psychopharmacology was the future of psychiatry.

Through the use of drugs, he would, in quotes, free the psychiatrists from the old work of preventing disturbed patients from breaking down doors. He would skip past the boring part of aggressive and resistive patients to get right to the fundamental work on the mind. There was a very specific confluence of factors which allowed the psychopharmacological revolution to take off. First, there was a history defining medical discovery in 1928.

The advent of real magic bullet call penicillin. This is sociological historian, Professor Andrew Skull. The things that it led to were really transformative developments for medicine, but they were also transformative for the drug companies, because it meant people became used to the idea of specific diseases, cured by a specific pill. Then there was the psychological toll of WWII, which involved weapons

the likes of which humanity had never seen. Soldiers struggled to process the devastation.

What was then called combat neurosis or combat fatigue? You know, among American troops, for example, psychiatric casualties were two to three times as high in WWII as in WWI. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers, nurses, and military personnel were coming back from the war with post-traumatic stress disorder. There simply weren't enough therapists. And then there was coincidence. Whether we speak of anti-depressants or anti-sarcotics as we now

call them or major tranquilizers that they were first known, their introduction to the treatment of mental patients was purely serendipitous. There was a drug that had been synthesized in the German chemical industry and nobody could figure out a use for it, but a French company named Rome Polank picked up this drug was an anti-histomine. And thought, you know, maybe we could find a use for this. You heard that right, an anti-histomine. The kind of thing you take for allergies,

“then they started to wonder, what if the side effects were the main effects?”

And it's pure left tentant in the French navy gets hold of a bunch of these pills, because they're being handed out here to try these. And he's going to use them on his surgical patients, but he notices something that they become sort of emotionally numb. They don't

describe the effect of making patients calmer, easier to manage. Hans Laman is practicing at

“the Dunn Protestant Hospital in Canada. And as I've said, it's an era where it's completely free”

for all. One particular Sunday, Dr. Laman was in his bathtub reading academic journals. When a particular paper caught his attention, it was in French. It described the effects of a new drug on excited and agitated mental hospital patients. It was the anti-histomine, the one made by the French manufacturer. The drug was in its early phases of testing, so Dr. Laman decided to run his own

controlled trial. He gets to supply these drugs and he starts experimenting on his patients.

And when they don't respond, he doubles the dose and when they don't respond, he doubles the dose again. So eventually patients are being given doses that these days would be considered quite extraordinary.

“The reckless doses. The drug was chlorpromising, known by the brand name, Largactyl.”

chlorpromising acts on the central nervous system. Today it is still used to treat schizophrenia and other psychoses, particularly paranoia, mania, anxiety, agitation, and violent or dangerously

impulsive behavior. According to the package leaflet, chlorpromising is also used for prolonged periods

of hiccups. Laman tries things on about a hundred patients. Announces with no control groups, this works, it's a magic potion. Or as Laman himself wrote, "Within days, some of the patients had stopped hallucinating and within two weeks a few were in remission and ready to leave the hospital. I assumed we were seeing flukes, perhaps resulting from an extremely strange selection in the sample.

“It seemed almost as improbable as winning one million dollars twice in a lottery."”

This is the Dr. Laman that everybody knows. The man who revolutionized psychiatry. Two years later, too many patients are on the drug in the United States. The whole introduction of phenotheysines, modern antisaconics, was the result of similar kind of uncontrolled human experimentation of which Laman was a principal architect. The principal architect of this new world of biological interventions, but certainly not the only one. Now at one point my mother said later on that she may have

been at the Alan very briefly with Cameron and then switched over to Laman, but any of the medical records are missing. We don't have access to Alyssa's mother's medical records, but what we do have is a substantial number of academic publications. My mother very proudly would say that, you know, "Oh, you know, Dr. Laman says I don't fit into a regular category of mental illness." That's a question there. But, um, and he wrote me up in a journal article and she was so proud of

this journal article that Dr. Laman had wrote, "If you could find that, that would be pretty groovy." I'm pretty sure I could tell you if you found it, like I would recognize or even if he's using a pseudonym or an initials because I know her story. I tried finding it, like I really tried. I looked through the archives for all of Dr. Laman's academic research papers of which there are more than 600. But of course, his patients are anonymized and the data aggregated.

So I couldn't find anything with her name, but I did find four studies that might have included her. In one of these studies, Dr. Laman gave LSD to his participants. We know the CAA was also using LSD, as came to light when there were questions asked about Dr. Olson, the scientist who felt his death after jumping through a closed window on the tenth floor of a hotel. Dr. Cameron's mind control procedures were also strongly associated with the drug. He actually gave me LSD.

I have it in my file that I got from the Allen that Dr. Cameron physically did give me LSD.

Regarding the connection between Dr. Laman and Dr. Cameron, Alyssa told us,

“"I recall now a dinner conversation at some point where my parents were discussing the experiments.”

Alyssa is referring to Dr. Cameron's experiments. Her parents wondered whether Harrell had been a participant." They called Dr. Laman and he assured them that it was not part of these experiments because those experiments were LSD experiments. Now, as one of my friends once pointed out to me,

"If you don't have the records, how do you know your mother never had LSD?"

Alyssa has tried in many different ways and for several years to get a hold of her mother's medical records and in effort to understand what happened. All right, so first you know we made requests through my mom's psychiatrist at the time and finally I got a phone call back and I was told what we've gone to the box and the archive where these records should be, but they're not there. We're really sorry. This was after they accidentally gave me the record of somebody else who had

a similar name, I guess, but was not my mother and it was a very short record had nothing to do with

“her, but I guess they really tried and there's nothing in the box. That's what they said.”

She hasn't been able to locate them. Of course, my mother wasn't the only one. Of course, you know, so I don't know who else Dr. Laman might have been doing this with. Was my mother the only one? What would all come raise or say about that, right? I don't know. I can't say, I don't know maybe she was. Maybe it was an anomaly.

Is there anyone else who can help us to unlock these secrets? Next time, on Project Mind Control. They're going to label you mentally killed. You won't be able to do anything. You'll be stuck here for the rest of your days. We open up our search for answers even wider and Alyssa gives us another name.

L.V. Bertrand. One of the many children who found themselves in orphanages turned overnight. Into psychiatric institutions. I'm Dr. Julia Shaw. Project Mind Control was presented by me and written by me and my producer, Simona Rata. The executive producers are Elsa Rochester and Louisa Adams,

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