Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Lightning series real-time with Bill Ma.
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>> Thank you, great to be here. I know. It's our last show for Tepeo. Take us. I'm a break for a month.
You got to give me a little time off. It's been nerve-wrecking lately. [ Laughter ] Fourth of July coming up. And you know what?
This -- today it opened Supergirl.
Perfect for the Fourth of July at one. [ Laughter ] Yeah, it'd been big Superherova. Another superhero movie opened this week, but what's going on at Washington?
Deadpool. [ Laughter ] All we can. We can't have a reflecting pool.
“I'm tired of hearing about the goddamn reflecting pool.”
I got to say, I don't really get a shit about the reflecting pool. And I love America, but I got to admit we're the only place you could make a pool improved by pissing in it. With this -- [ Laughter ] And you know, you know, it started out
innocently enough. I wasn't against the idea that we should spiffy up Washington a little. It needed a little spiffing up so they tried it with the pool. Whatever they -- whatever happened, you know, you know what happened next?
The algae. Then the pool was filled with algae. But then they put a fence around the pool. I like that. I, for one, I'm tired of algae coming into this country.
[ Laughter ] And getting over that fence. [ Laughter ] Well, I mean, look, we don't know what caused the problems in the pool. Trump says it's lunatic liberals.
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“That's what what he calls me, but, you know, I --”
I was not in Washington who vandalized it. So now he's suing ABC News for reporting falsely on the pool. And ABC -- [ Laughter ] ABC says this is baseless outrageous and preposterous and how would you like us to make out the check?
[ Laughter ] I can't. But, you know, problem is now. There are dead ducks in the pool, or possibly murdered by Antifa. [ Laughter ]
I don't know. [ Laughter ] But, you know, the pool is dragging down the pressure into approval ratings. It's like a little -- in the low 30s now in the country.
And among independence, 25 percent, and zero percent with ducks.
[ Laughter ] And, uh, oh, and of course -- [ Laughter ] The other big headache, of course, is in the ceasefire with Iran. Not going perfectly well, as ceasefires often don't. Iran hit a cargo ship yesterday.
And, you know, Trump wants this war over. You know, it really just really does. You know, we fired back a little, but, you know, he's basically -- He said damage was done. You know, people make mistakes.
[ Laughter ] And a month ago, he was calling them Drain Scumbags. Now, it's -- let me finish. [ Laughter ] Drain Scumbags, but very fine fanatics on both sides.
[ Laughter ] I'd say it's got to be tough negotiating this with whoever is doing that. Oh, yeah. It's the vice president he's here tonight. [ Laughter ] [ Cheers and applause ]
No. [ Cheers and applause ] It's got to be the tough job negotiating for this country in this war, because last week, when he was in -- and Churchill and talking about it with the Iranians at the time,
President Trump threatened to kill them. He said, "If the straight is no one, you won't have a country, you won't make it back to your country fucking alive." Okay. [ Laughter ]
And then 80 minutes into the thing, he said, "We're going to blow the shit out of them and they walked out of the room." So, before J.D. events left, President Trump took him aside.
Just let me know if there's anything I can do to hinder.
[ Laughter ] [ Applause ]
But now let's talk about the big earthquake on the left,
because this is big news in this country. And if you saw what happened in New York, there were three candidates for -- this is the primaries. They are going to win the election, so they're going to be three Democrats in Congress.
These are mandami's people. These are Democratic Socialists.
“I think very different than the Democratic Party.”
What happened is, you know, for years, we've been asking young people to vote. Well, now young people are voting, and they're voting to abolish the police. A abolish prisons, unlimited immigration,
so no cops, no prisons, no borders, proving for sure that eating tide pods does cause breakdown. [ Laughter ] And there's -- there's one candidate.
She will be a Congressperson from New York's 13-cystric, who at the New York Times asked her if someone murdered someone randomly should they go to jail, couldn't get her to say yes for that. She says no more police ever, at all ever. She says, "Our veterans are work criminals."
She said, "Fuck Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is a rapist." So, there is a woke mind virus, and I think we found patient zero. [ Laughter and applause ] Yeah, her name -- [ Applause ]
My name is Doria Liza Avila Chivalgue, the color D-A-C. She makes A-O-C look like L-O-L times W-T-L. [ Laughter ] [ Laughter ]
But good news, if you're a Democrat,
“but the Nazis had two, you're no longer the weird one.”
[ Laughter ] She also says that the United States, the country, she's running to be a part of, is occupied native land, and says this country, America, is a fucking disgrace. During the oath of office, she's going to take a knee.
[ Laughter ] And -- [ Laughter ] And she's not too crazy about white girls. [ Laughter ] She calls ugly colonizer women,
and she says black men, and Arab men, fetishize ugly colonizer women, to which the Kardashians wrote back fucking a bit. [ Laughter ] All right, I got a great show.
And we have Senator W-T-L, one out here, and Larry Wilbur is here. [ Cheers and applause ]
First off, he is the 15th of his vice president
of the United States, and also a still number one bestselling book, "Hoverlyology." And the one that's out now, communion, finding my way back to faith.
Lady man, sorry, vice president. [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ]
[ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] Come on.
[ Cheers and applause ] So bad. Do I have a nicest crowd? I'm sure it's the only applause I'll get, but I'll take it. No, man.
[ Laughter ] I'm just glad you're talking to me. You know, I mean, I say it every time, when the Republicans come here, they take their beating like a man.
[ Laughter ] It's the people I vote for. They're the ones who won't talk to me. That's odd, isn't it? It is very odd.
I mean, and I promise -- I'm like the new woman who is elected in New York. Do you think she'll come on the show? Oh, I know you want -- [ Laughter ] No, I can't get AOC, I can't get Mendami,
I can't go and get Kamal Harris. You know, took me at years to get Obama. Mm-hmm. Anyway, let's not talk about my problem. [ Laughter ]
And I promise this is going to be a lot easier than talking to the Iranian. [ Laughter ] Or even more, the view. The question is whether it's harder than the view.
That's right. [ Laughter ] Look, you're negotiating for America. I'm rooting for America, so I want success here. But, you know, you came out of these meetings.
I heard sort of the same thing I've heard a lot of talk about progress and that I've heard it so many times before.
“Why is this different? Why isn't it bullshit this time?”
Well, I'd say the most important thing, Bill,
is that the people who judge whether the oil is actually flowing, they judge this as a success, right? So, if you look at oil right now, it's back down to $73 a barrel, got up to $126 a barrel.
So, there's a signal that there's something real going on here. I think the second bill is whether we make the final deal, because you've remembered this MOU is fundamentally it says the streets are going to be open. The oil is going to flow. We're seeing that happen already.
It's also a ceasefire, which is you pointed out is always going to be a little messy when you're dealing with the Iranians. But, if we make the final deal, then great. If we don't make the final deal, their nuclear program is still destroyed.
They're still much weaker as a country.
So, my attitude is America wins either way, but I do think that what the president has done is asked us to do something that, frankly, nobody in 47 years of dealing with the Iranians has done, which is offer them an opportunity
to fundamentally transform how they behave with the West. They've been the largest state sponsor of terrorism basically since they began as a nation or at least as an Islamic Republic 47 years ago. He's saying, look, if they're willing to change,
we're willing to change too. If they're not willing to change, we still fundamentally have all the cards.
“And I think that's a good place for us to be.”
But the program isn't destroyed. Didn't nuclear program, isn't destroyed. I mean, I don't know any of our objectives. I'm looking. Look, I said, what part is not destroyed?
Well, we didn't get in there. The whole thing was we have to get in there and see. Are there else we wouldn't be doing this? Well, let me say, we didn't. First of all, so a nuclear program,
and I'm hardly a nuclear scientist, I'm a lowly politician, but the thing that you have to destroy is their ability to enrich uranium, which has been destroyed.
You have to destroy their ability. Well, because you need functioning centrifuges, the can actually fail. We got to get in there and we got to get the dust. And we didn't get in there.
So how do we get the dust? So that's actually a separate question. So there's the highly enriched stockpile, which, by the way, was allowed to accumulate over 20 years of previous administrations.
That enriched stockpile is something that we want to get.
But Bill, if we never get it,
and the president wants it, and we are going to get it. But if we never got it, it's very deep underground, and they don't have the ability to turn into a nuclear weapon.
So the program is functionally destroyed. We're just talking about,
“can we set them back even further through these negotiations?”
Okay. I only have limited time of this, so I want to move on to other topics. I want to tell you what people have been saying to me, you have told them, you know,
people get excited while you have the vice president on. I'm looking at you in the rest myself. I'm very excited about this. You know, I had, I had, I had pens on. And that both is vice president.
A couple of weeks ago, pens was here. I'm really telling it with the vice president. Okay. [audience applause] Okay.
What did you talk about with Mike Pence? Uh-huh. Sex drugs and rock and roll? I don't know. [audience applause]
No. [audience applause] He was a lot more human than I thought. I've never seen him. I even asked him to come on my podcast where I get stone.
And he was like, "Maybe." [audience applause] So it was good.
But here's what he wrote.
When I say you, here's what sticks in their crawl. Okay. Number one issue. Immigration. Not immigration.
We like it that you close the border. That need to be done. The people who are here, the way you treated, I'm talking about your administration. If you weren't out there yourself.
But ICE, all that shit. Too rough. Too mean. Too unnecessary. I think you go.
I'm not telling you what to do. Okay. I'm just giving you some advice as a friend. Okay. And I'm not.
I am. And I'm not saying I'm not asking you to apologize. I don't like the people who do that. I'm just saying you go a long way toward getting people who are just completely shut the door to you when you're interested.
If you would just own that. That you guys went too far. You went too far.
“And you should own it like you did childless cat ladies.”
[audience applause] Okay. So here's the basic problem. With that bill is you cannot do any deportations without law enforcement. And you can't do a law enforcement operation like that.
Without having some situations that don't look good when they're recorded like that. I mean, let me give you like just one obvious example. Let's just set aside the immigration element of this. Okay. If you take a guy who's committed murder.
And you go and arrest that guy. Sometimes that person's going to resist arrest. Sometimes if you take a video of it and it's out of context, and you don't appreciate why that person's being arrested in the first place, it looks pretty easy.
If you take that out of context video clip. And what I worry about is when people say you can't ever do immigration enforcement, if it produces a bad video clip, what they're really saying is you can't ever actually do immigration enforcement. We had 12 million people coming to the country into the interior over the last four years.
I should say from 2021 to 2025. And we were elected with a mandate to get some of those people out of the United States of America. You can't do that easily.
Law enforcement, deporting people is never an easy process.
So I appreciate your argument that we've gone too far, but we couldn't do nothing. And I don't think there was an easy way to do this. Of course, there's a middle grant. So you get the thing that bothers us about stuff like that.
Is that nothing ever lands in the middle, which is what I'm always trying to get people to do. I thought you were crazy, liberal. [ Laughter ] You should watch the show.
I actually do watch the show. I left my ass off backstage. I was a good model. You knew you were making fun of me. I kind of liked it.
[ Cheers and applause ]
It was fair. I know someone in your administration watches the show. [ Laughter ] [ Cheers and applause ]
Because I always hear about it.
Okay. You're right. The second lady. She's a big fan. That's like a lady that they can't have a bill more. But what we hate is that the pendulum never lands in the middle.
You're right. But Biden did let in too many people. It just boggles in mind why he did that. But then it has to go all the way to the other side. Always.
Nothing can ever land in the middle. Did they go too far? Probably in the Pentagon with DEI. Yes. I don't buy any.
No, he's not. Oh, no. Certainly looks that way.
“Well, I think the business has got to be the new land in the middle.”
I disagree with that. I think sometimes things do land right where they should. But just you take the story about Pete Exeth. Obviously, I'm biased. I like Pete.
But if you look at the actual promotions that we've done, there have been a lot of people from all walks of life. There have been some high profile people where he said, you know what, I don't think that they married a promotion. But the idea that we're not promoting minorities in the Pentagon under Pete Exeth,
it's just not true. And I do think that sometimes your criticism is things don't land in the middle and I understand that.
Sometimes the problem is the media reports things in such a way where they
actually obfuscate or conceal the truth rather than reporting what's actually going on. Of course they do. They all do. That's why you have to read, go side.
Yeah. My recommendation is if you read a new story and it says something bad about me, you should disbelieve it. It's probably lying. Where is if you read a new story?
It says something nice. Right. That's not right. But okay.
“But I'm, again, I'm just trying to help you with your issues.”
Because we can say something. You need me in a hundred friends. I just, this is like political theory. Because I'll tell you something. But I don't think I've ever said, but this happened this week.
But the thing, I'm sure you want to talk about it. We're going to talk about it on the panel. The Democratic Socialists. I'm actually here to talk about my book. I want everyone.
I know. I'm going to get to it. I'm going to get to it. But it's called communion available wherever books are sore. But then we're just one more thing about this.
Now we'll get to the book. Okay. Okay. Like, if this is where the Democratic Party is. Where this Democratic Socialist.
This obsession with Israel with the Jewating with, they don't believe in capitalism, no prisons. If this is where they're going, my vote is in play. Okay. And I like to hear that.
It actually always has been.
I just every year. I don't make my decision by who was an ROD. I actually always came to the conclusion that the Democrat was probably better. Sure. And voted for them.
Okay. And Trump can't run again. And he'd be a little too exciting for me anyway. [ Laughter ] So it's either going to be you or Rubio.
Here's my deal breaker for your side. Okay. Okay. Under Trump, you guys have two outcomes and an election can be. Either we win or they cheated.
That shit has to stop. [ Cheers and applause ] And that means the person who has to stop it, would be you or Marco. [ Laughter ]
Can you tell me you will do that? Will you bring us back to the middle, at least on that, where we can see elections, where it's not either one of those two options. Okay, Bill.
So this is where I'm probably going to lose you here. But here's -- And that happened about eight minutes ago. [ Laughter ] [ Cheers and applause ]
Look, I don't think that we should not concede elections,
“but I don't think that's what's going on.”
I think that if you go back, if you go back to the President's core argument, he was making an argument about problems that exist in 2020. And here's the problem that I'm most focused on. The President, I've talked a lot about this.
And I think we share a perspective here, but set to the side, the stuff that really gets you and your audience very angry. About whether the count was legitimate in Georgia, Pennsylvania, or any of these other states.
Is it true that large technology companies, some of whom have financial interests that exist outside the United States of America, were they censoring information in the run-up to an election? And set to the side, the -- again, the Georgia stuff. But it is --
I was -- I was litigated. Dominion. The Fox News Patus. I'm actually --
I'm trying to make the more -- the more middle-ground argument here. The biggest criticism I had at the 2020 election is that you had technology companies that were quite literally censoring negative information about the left,
Promoting negative information about the right.
So in a fundamental sense, like if the first amendment says that we have a free and open debate, and then the American people judge based on that free and open debate,
“the sense in which I think the election in 2020 was rigged,”
I'm sorry, is that you had technology companies that were putting their thumb on the scale in a way that completely obliterated the real open exchange of ideas. Now, by the way, it didn't happen in 2024, but it happened in 2020, and it was a problem. Well, you're going to get a big pat on the back and you go back to the way that.
All right. Let's talk about your book. I think it's very interesting because, you know,
I always wanted to talk about what people have in common.
I used to be Catholic. You're a Catholic now. That's right. You used to be an atheist. I'm an atheist now.
So, we've been over to the same group. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, we were born about this. This is about your spiritual journey. That's right.
Which is really interesting. And, by the way, very personal. Yeah. It reminded me a little of Gavin Newsom. He has a book here, and I was very surprised.
It didn't look like his book. You read his book. People bought my book. That's the difference between it. [audience laughter]
Now, what I'm sorry. That's like, was that mean? I'm just saying, that's fine.
“Well, I'm just saying, politicians are getting a lot more real.”
When they write, you know, it's not like that old kind of book.
Sure. Sure. And it's about your moving toward the... I'm just asking why the Catholics. Why go...
[audience laughter] I didn't have a good experience with them. Why did you... You could have went Hindu. Your wife's a Hindu.
Well, we should talk about that, though, in a longer setting. Not just, you know, two minutes in front of the audience. But through the podcast. Okay. [audience laughter]
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I don't want to ruin my political career. I don't want to ruin my political career. I don't want to ruin my political career. I don't want to ruin my political career. What is your impression of what happened this week
with the Democratic Socialist being elected? I'd like to... I'm going to make sure you know James Carvelle. This was what? He makes me laugh just thinking about it.
[laughter] There's a man who's just called. [applause] He's very funny. He's very funny.
He's also very wise. I think about it. This was what he said. He's talking about this. There's the reason he's a Olivier.
He says she has attacked inspirational relationships, which is true. She doesn't like race mixing. [laughter] Formally the position of the Ku Klux Klux Klux.
[laughter] Now this is the far lab.
“I believe it's still the position of the Ku Klux.”
Yes. [laughter] But now it's apparently also the position of the far left. Okay. He says she's against that.
She's against the American flag. He said, "Lady, I ain't in the same party as you." He's a Democrats. We're a coalition. We're a big tent.
And there's just some shit I can't be in the same tent with. I'm done. I'm not in that fucking political party. Okay. So Tucker Carlson is quit the Republicans.
And James Carbel has quit the Democrats. [laughter] WTF, right? [laughter] What's going on?
[laughter] Okay. What's going on? [laughter] Really?
Well, my, you know, the far left. The far left.
They always take things too far.
The far right. They just make shit up. That's the difference between the far left and the far left. Far right. You know it's the far right if they're making shit up.
You know it's the far left. If they just take things too far. You know, because there's always well meaning underneath some of these things. But, and I don't know why things have to go to the extreme in order to get something done. That doesn't make sense to me.
And she's in a very important seat right now. That was Adam Clayton-Powsee for a long time, you know. Absolutely. And Charlie Rangos, you know.
“And I think recently the head of the Hispanic court caucus for the Democrats in Congress.”
I mean, right. There's some serious to be very important in the issues that come out of that seat. Historically, have been, you know, many of them have been black centered issues. Right. And have been around affordability and, you know, housing.
And a lot of the same issues that we're facing today. But there was more of a practical approach that, and there was a humility about some of this takes time, you know. And it takes grit, and it takes a lot of things to get things done. But, you know. Okay.
Well, this is whenever we take a month off, we do something here on what? You're laughing at me like that. No, I love what's coming up. Right. You know me too well, I know.
I mean, just taking all married couples between us and this. No, we do have future headlines because we're not all. People get the news from our show. So we have to actually predict the headlines that are going to happen. Would you like to hear that?
We will be back on July 21st and so then, we give that one. You will leave. President, change his American flag colors to red, white, blue, and gold. [ Laughter and applause ] Graham Platter discovers tattoo that covers Nazi tattoo, also a Nazi tattoo.
[ Laughter and applause ] In New Iran, the U.S. agrees to dismantle its nuclear program. [ Laughter and applause ] Pride flag runs out of colors in the visible spectrum. [ Laughter and applause ]
AI becomes fully human immediately begins wasting life on social media. [ Laughter and applause ]
Trump, new some tensions, boy-alover during chance encounter at hair salon.
[ Laughter and applause ]
And Bill Mark turns prestigious Mark Twain Prize into bomb. [ Laughter and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] So let me get back to the library just somehow because we didn't really get to
“with the heart of the issue I think is with this new crowd in the Democratic Party.”
And that is Israel. They are obsessed with Israel. It's a litmus test. I'd like to quote you. You once said, first of all, I stand with Israel, which I appreciate.
You said, "I wholeheartedly unabacitly echo Dr. King's declaration that Israel's right to exist as a state insecurity in contestable. Claims that I believe Israel isn't on a apartheid state are patently false. Thank you, first of all. [ Laughter and applause ]
It says to me, "You're quoting Dr. King." It says to me, "This is becoming not at all the party of Obama or Martin Luther King." I don't think Obama could have won one of these races in New York. That was just there.
I mean, so for all the people who are always, "Oh gosh, you know, you changed.
Did I? Was it really me?" These other people who, you know, if you don't see that this is a fundamental change, I don't get it.
“And why do you think they are so obsessed with Israel?”
Well, I think, you know, there's a lot of frustration that people are feeling. And it's, let me, let me say, first of all, Israel is our ally. And allies and friends can have honest conversation. Right. And real debate about what's going on.
And, you know, we're at a, as people are witnessing what's happening on the Netanyahu. There's a lot of people in Israel. He's not terribly popular. No, he is. Who are not comfortable with what's happening.
There's an acronym in Gaza, and it's a terrible way to start your life. It's WC, NSF, wounded child, no surviving family. You can't look away from that. You've got to look at it. No, but you have to look at it.
And who caused it? Yeah. And at the same time, who caused that? You, you have to, you have the tunnels, which are shelters, which they didn't put any of their people in.
“You, you have to hold everybody accountable.”
And as a pastor, my, my north star is a sustainable peace in Israel. That is at a nation that's at peace with its neighbors. And I think at the end of the day, Israel, mothers, Palestinian mothers, want the same thing. They want to, they want to be able to put their children in bed at night.
For them to be safe and to awaken in a world that embraces all of them. And I, I think these extremes are not helpful. We've got to have honest conversation. But we're, okay. That's, I'm sorry.
I think that's a false equivalency. I think there's a lot more extremism on one side. I mean, there's a woman, Paris, two, a mighty, she is Iranian. She got 74 lashes. 74 lashes, like, because she's saying, she's a singer.
She's saying without a head scarf on. So, let's not forget who the other side is. I mean, do you get 74 lashes for singing without a head scarf in Israel? No, you don't. You just don't.
I don't want to judge. I don't want to judge Israelis or Palestinian people by the most extreme voices among their people. I think, I think most people want peace.
Most, there's 7 million Israelis, 7 million Palestinian folks there.
In that same region, it's a very small area. And we've got to figure out a way that leads to a two-state solution where both communities can live in peace with each other. Well, again. (applause)
So, I've been very consistent. In condemning, I've had to take positions on stages, including the DNC, standing up for children and Gaussian at the same time, standing up for Israel's right to exist and to live at peace with its neighbors. This idea, I think that's the first choice. Did you got to choose one of the other?
Well, but it's also not true that both sides want a two-state solution equally. One side's beginning negotiating position is you all die. And from the river to the sea. From the river to the sea is... We have to condemn that.
Okay, great. Whoever's saying it, we have to condemn it. Yeah. Well, one side is saying it. (laughter)
Not two sides, but... I was going to say this is one of those really complicated situations because for a lot of Americans,
You know, it's almost what I like to call like a war by proxy or a cause by p...
You know, we're not sending people over there who are involved. And it's the people forced to take sides. We're not even forced to take sides.
“Maybe they take sides just from what they see, you know?”
And when you see what they see on tech, correct? Or whoever they get it is much as they know about it. Yeah.
But they're very powerful.
There's very powerful images, especially when you see them in just a war and people dying and children and all those types of things. You know, there has to be an approach that involves a humane approach to a lot of this stuff. And a lot of things are going to have to be re-evaluated. It's kind of, you know, the world we're living right now. But man, this is one of those things.
First of all, I'm completely out of my death with both of you too. And I'm done this particularly issue. I'm telling you. But just to bring it back to the Democratic Social, they do seem to want to live in a fantasy world.
They imagine that they would be happier in a world without police, living under Islamic law. I mean, the level of stupid that that is, I can't even describe. Yeah. And I'm totally, well, it'sario.
I live in work in Washington, so I see a lot of stupidity. Well, one before these folks got there. Right. And so it is the reason why I try to focus on the people. I don't know, that's, you know, the past.
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just looking for a vote for. That's the real question coming up. Yeah. And people are deeply frustrated. I mean, we're seeing an increasing divide between the halves and the halves and the halves and our country.
You, they, they want to shake it up sometimes on the right, sometimes on the left. But what is clear is that where we, where we've been is not working. And people feel that young people feel live in their gut.
“And so, you know, even as, even as we engage them, I think we do a dangerous thing when we slam the door.”
We've got it. We've got to listen each other. And so I don't, I don't want to be dismissive even of those who I disagree with deeply. I think the, the issue is, is how do we get angry? All right, but before we run out of time, let's talk about another issue that's very important in your terrific book here.
And that is voting, because I mean, this is in the news again this week. Trump, they, the Congress did something they've been done in a long time. They're job. They, they, they, they've passed them. It passed them all.
Great. Yeah. Amen. No. Amen.
Amen. That's what I said. Amen. That's what I said. They passed the law, housing bill, a good housing bill.
That's one of the big issues that's got to do this. Not enough housing. Absolutely. And it's too expensive. And they did something about it.
Right.
“And Trump would not sign it, at least as of now.”
I, maybe he has at this point. They were negotiating. But. And I think he doesn't. It made just, you know, the procedure that I did.
I don't just automatically pass through something. I think it's awesome. I hope right to build. We, we pass the housing bill route out of the banking and housing committee. Every Democrat and every Republican on that committee that I'm a member of voted for.
Amazing. One of the provisions in that bill. Caps or stops private equity from swooping in the communities we've had. Right. The problem around is that.
It's just going. [applause] Might go over the housing stop. So you got just ordinary families, single mothers trying to buy a home. And their competition is a big corporation.
Right. And so my provision stops that. The other great provisions in the bill. If you get an appraisal, you think it's too low. You have some recourse to challenge that.
And the president had a chance to stand there with members of Congress. Right. Take credit for a bill. He did a little to create and instead he made it again about. Well, again, well, no.
What he made it about is the save. Save that.
He's not telling the sign it because as always, everything is sort of transactional.
He wants this. Save that. Let me tell you what the save act. This is about voting. This is a very important issue.
And the country. And the country. Because things have changed a lot. The Supreme Court voted on the voting right. Exactly.
Jerry Mandarin. I mean, just in the time of a couple of months ago, the districts have changed. Okay. Here's what the save act says.
Every American will have to have a pack. Go to the office. Somewhere. And the pre-fax office, I assume. And a parent person with documentation.
A birth certificate. A birth certificate. A birth certificate. And a passport. And a photo ID.
There's estimated over 21 million Americans lack these.
We said here. You know, we have a black Americans under 30. Do not have ID with their current name and address. So what is your reaction to this? I want to be clear, though.
What? It's not this ID.
You need a birth certificate.
Right. To register a vote.
“You got to go find your birth certificate.”
And if you owe a passport, most Americans don't have a passport.
And if you're a married woman in your name when your birth certificate is different from your birth certificate. If the name is different when your birth certificate and your marriage certificate. Right. You got to figure out how to reconcile those things. All of these hoops.
Just to register the vote. This is not a voter ID bill. It's a voter suppression bill because Trump knows that his presidency is an abject failure. He does not want people to vote. Well, and what's ironic about this bill, just to see the irony of it all is that he's trying to push out of the system a lot of people in the lower classes.
Who probably voted for him? You know, there's a lot of people who can't afford these things because they don't have any money. They can't, you know, it costs money in time. But by saying it costs money, maybe they have to take time off from work or whatever it is. But a lot of the people in this class voted for Donald Trump.
Yeah, but they're alienating a lot of your own vote. But they win kick 15 million of them off their health care. Cut a trillion dollars out of out of Medicaid, cuts net. And so I don't think he wants people to show up. They think that their fortunes are better if you are people show up to vote.
Why don't people have a birth certificate?
Well, sometimes if you don't have a birth certificate in your house, if you've never had it,
“you think it has to, you have to get it from somewhere.”
So you have to hope that there is a physical record. But don't you get one when you're born? Yeah, but it may not have stayed. Maybe your parents have it. Maybe they lost it.
People's look, we just have fires in Altsadino. People lost personal records. Right. Some, it's not always easy to replace those in a certain amount of time. I mean, literally, this bill, the so-called save act,
should be renamed your driver's license. It's not good enough. [ Laughter ] And that's what it is. That's what you have real idea.
Yeah, real idea. Yeah. And so, yeah, so, and they're going to give you a very few states where your driver's license work, their few states where that will work. So your driver's license is not good enough.
They don't want people to vote. Are you going to run for a president? I understand that the local HOA is looking for a president. [ Laughter ] Thank you, gentlemen.
We'll see you on the hostings. Time for new ones, everybody. [ Cheers and applause ] OK. Do everyone must tip their hat to Madonna
for continuing to put fantastic music out into the world at her age, which will hopefully soften the blow when we also tell her, "But the sex symbol days are over." [ Laughter and applause ] Trust me, man, this cover doesn't say,
"I'm crawling toward you in an alluring way." It says, "I fall in and I can't get out." [ Cheers and applause ] You're a little -- and I'm sorry, but this cannot be the guy Trump hired to fix the reflecting pool.
[ Laughter ] Except that it is. His name is John Caffaro, and he's a Trump donor, who got a no-bid contract. You know what?
Forget all that. I just have one question for this lady who chose to take a picture with him.
“You know there are other guys who have money, right?”
[ Laughter and applause ] No, don't get your dogs asshole off the tray table. I don't care if he is your certified service animal. There's a thing called hygiene, and some people have to snort cocaine on this flight.
[ Cheers and applause ] No, whoever is considering the awarding the world record for longest continuous speech to Mississippi pastored Matt Olsen, who delivered a sermon lasting 96 hours,
has to admit they never asked their wife
after a glass of wine, how was your day? [ Laughter and applause ] Not to diminish your feet past the roll, but at least you allowed breath to him breaks. [ Laughter ]
No one else asked the guy at a California campground, who dropped his sunglasses into a toilet, tried to retrieve them, fell down into the toilet, and had to be rescued by firefighters. How mad were you when you finally got back to the campsite,
and somebody said, "Would you do fall in?" [ Laughter and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] And finally, no one will let's all give it up for soccer, being the greatest sport.
No. [ Cheers and applause ] No, no. Not the game itself, that sucks. [ Laughter ] I mean, there's more scoring at a star trek convention.
[ Laughter and applause ]
But -- [ Cheers and applause ]
“But I am loving that the world cup has brought to our shores,”
all these people who are doing Americans the service of reminding us, just when we needed it on our big 250 birthday. But actually, this place is kind of awesome. [ Cheers and applause ] And yes, I know how dare I, how privileged
when there are so many problems and threats and people left behind, all true, I could give you the statistics where we are not good enough, and have done so many times. The infant mortality rate, 54th in the world, women in government, 85th, overdose, deaths, lack of health insurance,
yes, many problems. But that's because the name of our country is America, not utopia. And the appropriate comparison isn't to the Eden you might imagine. It's to every other place on earth.
We can't be more perfect than what's in your mind. We can only be more perfect than Belgium. [ Laughter and applause ] Which I bet has nicer airports, but trust me has its own problems.
And I never saw anyone getting ecstatic about being there,
but that's exactly what I've been seeing here for the last month. Social media flooded with videos of slack-jewed soccer tourists wandering around America positively gushing about everything we take for granted. Reminding us what America looks like from the outside. That's where the lens of some influencer,
explaining why watering your lawn is violence. [ Laughter and applause ] Just regular people looking around and saying, "Wow, these people live like rock stars. Look at this Japanese guy trying Texas barbecue."
[ Laughter and applause ] Last time he was that excited, he was rubbing himself against a stranger on the subway. [ Laughter and applause ] British people are walking through Costco,
like they're touring the Vatican on marshmallows. [ Laughter and applause ] One European guy said, "This is the biggest tourist attraction I can have as a European. It's like a museum." He was talking about Walmart.
[ Laughter and applause ] True. [ Cheers and applause ] Our comfort foods, supermarkets, big box stores, stadiums, they're blowing their minds.
You can buy a ceramic beaver wearing sunglasses. [ Laughter and applause ] Fuck yeah, you can. [ Laughter and applause ] And you can buy mayonnaise by the gallon.
[ Laughter and applause ] This guy can't believe pizza comes in a size of this large. One point. [ Laughter and applause ] Oh, pizza.
[ Laughter and applause ] Wait until they see our asses. [ Laughter and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] American food is insane set another one.
Try to hot dog today of American delicacy.
“And oh, my God, why does the sausage taste so good?”
Well, it's the rat here, but we just know how to-- [ Laughter and applause ] We know how to do it. [ Cheers and applause ] Listen to this, there are thousands of people from countries. We think of as prosperous and advanced who have come here
and are now saying they can no longer go on in life if they can't get ranch dressing. [ Laughter and applause ] One woman from Sweden said, "Why did no one tell me ranch sauce is like crack?"
[ Laughter and applause ] Because it's not, your crack must suck. [ Laughter and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ]
Really, I never heard anyone say this crack is like getting ranch.
[ Laughter and applause ] But plainly, plainly, we have a lot of things here. We assumed everyone has, and they don't. They came here for soccer, and can't believe you can watch it while having a beer.
Yeah, they don't have that in Europe. But that's sink in. In the paradise you think the rest of the world is, they can't drink beer in public without beating the shit out of each other. [ Laughter and applause ]
“And have you seen Europeans reacting to air conditioning?”
Like at some exotic experimental technology?
Every summer, they're sitting in a 400-year-old stone building
sweating through their speedo underwear, as opposed to America,
“where we ask the question, "What if my living room”
didn't cause heat stroke?" [ Laughter and applause ] Here's my favorite foreign visitor testimony from this month. They like to be lied to my entire life of America. This beach is insane. Like just as good as Australian beaches.
But if you log onto the news, everything's died. Everything's terrible.
It's not. It's absolutely fucking amazing.
[ Laughter and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ] Well, thank you for that perspective, Australian dude,
“who probably just stole somebody's American girlfriend.”
[ Laughter and applause ] There actually are some good things about us. Even with all the ice nonsense, we have more immigrants than the next four countries combined. We have to fight for it, but still have freedom of speech,
and assembly, and trial by jury.
If you're in a found guilty, you can still ask a Kardashian to get you a partner. [ Laughter and applause ] Other countries struggle just to have water here. We make it put on a show.
In the desert, no less. [ Laughter and applause ] We have dried throughs for both church and sex toys. That's right.
You can buy a dildo, then ask the Lord
to forgive you for it without ever leaving your car. [ Laughter and applause ] We have the strongest intellectual property, the most innovative R&D, the highest GDP, the most valuable companies, and the most trillionaire.
[ Laughter and applause ] Now, look, maybe it's a coincidence,
“but I think it's something in the American system”
and character that we have the highest number of Nobel Prize winners, and invented the light bulb, the telephone, the smartphone, the airplane, personal computers, and the party size bag of extra flame and hot cheetah.
[ Laughter and applause ] Plus, you can believe in whatever crazy religion you want here and 24 states have legal weed and our pop stars can juggle knives. Happy Thursday, everybody.
Have a great month of July. We'll see you back here on July 31. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Larry Wilmore, Senator Rafael Warnacht, and Vice President J.D. Benz.
Thank you, folks. Come on, man. Let's have a good day. [ Cheers and applause ] I've shown you episodes of Real Time with Bill Mar every Friday night at 10,
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