Ep. #737: Mike Rowe, Tara Palmeri, Matt Welch

Hello, I could play for "How Are You?" I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Look, wow, absolutely. All right, thank you. OK. All right. Let's get to all the big news.

“Big news from outer space. Don't you see this Elon Musk has this company space?”

It's an amazing company. And they went public a few months ago, they did very well.

But they're rocked and crashed into the moon. I don't know if you said they were rocked. That's science. Things go wrong before they go right. But yes, we hit the moon with a rocket. Trump announced today the moon has been completely defeated in their begging for a deal. begging for a deal. Oh, I did. I did the Iran war. Is it a war? I don't know. It's a war, not a war. It's complicated. That's the status. It's very complicated. Iran who, another saying that the greater her moves is open,

except that the band ships just from United States and Israel. This really pissed off, Trump. He said, "You are so lucky. We are out of missiles." [ Laughter ]

“Yeah. Turns out we are. And we kept saying to Iran, there's more where that came from.”

No, turns out not. Turns out not where that came from. I don't know.

We spent a trillion dollars on defense and radical missiles. You know, French fries were expensive at McDonald's. But when you look at the bottom of the bag, there's one left. [ Laughter ] But President had a, I would say, a mixed week. He did get his attorney general through. That's his personal lawyer. He's the attorney general.

And he got his director of national intelligence through. But he lost Janine Piro. [ Laughter ] Even she would not go along with his story about the reflecting pool.

“And she's pretty far, MAGA. But no, she even she wouldn't go along”

and Trump said she folded like an umbrella. [ Laughter ] Don't we want umbrellas to fold? [ Laughter ] It's like saying about somebody, you know, like, boy, that guy really shat the toilet. [ Laughter ] Yeah, that's where you shat. Okay.

But yeah, Janine Piro literally brought a suitcase of evidence to the White House to show it was in Vandables. It was bad construction. And Trump, not buying it. He said people get away with things that had to disgrace. He was very wounded. He said, "Sometimes I wonder why I even bother making shit up." [ Laughter ]

I tend to present it. But listen, while we're obsessing about reflecting pools and the ballroom, that was the news today, the ballroom, the pool. I say this every week, AI, get a kill us all. Last week, it was they kind of went into their own evolution. They can evolve on their own. Now that we found out, you know, this week,

for the first time they've created functioning viruses, not seen in nature.

No date when Malawi did, but you can access the new platform to chat RIP. [ Laughter ] I've said this before. I hope the aliens are here. I did. I hope they're here and watching us, and they're going to save us. And by the way, the administration this week, just a few days ago,

maybe yesterday they unleashed a new trove of UFO files. Interesting things in there, triangular craft, weird lights over an army base, and a stick-like figure with large eyes. That was just an area in a Grande video. [ Laughter ]

[ Cheers and applause ] Maybe that joke will make her eat something.

Speaking of eating something, I got to tell you this.

“Democrats have found a candidate who hates Thanksgiving.”

And wants to get rid of it. Yes, running for Governor and Wisconsin, Francesca Hong. Have you heard about this? Yeah, Thanksgiving, she says, should be canceled.

I say good. Finally, a politician willing to stand up to big stuffing.

[ Laughter ] Wow. [ Cheers and applause ] Oh. [ Cheers and applause ] Gotta love the Democrats. That's surprisingly Debbie Downer's policy about Thanksgiving is not popular.

With anybody, really. I mean, white people don't like it. People don't like it, women don't like it. Men don't like it. It does have 98% approval with Turkey. [ Laughter and applause ] But of course, you know, she wrote this,

“she said, right, under three years ago, a couple years ago,”

I'd get rid of Thanksgiving.

Of course, yesterday she went on CNN. We're announced it.

I don't believe you. I don't believe you people who were announced things. We know what you said. You mean it, live by it. It's fucking squirrely out of it. No, you meant it. You know why I know she meant it because she hates all holidays.

She talked about feeling attacked on Christmas when someone put on her computer a Christmas scene. Doesn't like fireworks for the July. [ Laughter ] Halloween, although far left, he's hate Halloween.

Costumes that are inappropriate, oh, please. [ Laughter ] This woman doesn't like Valentine's Day. Another way of capitalism, taking over her, I love life. She said, Valentine's Day,

the holiday that brings out the worst of humanity. That's the holiday that brings out the worst of humanity. Have you ever been to a black Friday sale? [ Laughter ] People, well, I kept checking all lady to get an air fryer.

That's the word. Okay, so this is their -- her policy. No Christmas. No Thanksgiving. No July 4th. No Halloween. No Valentine's Day. One place you don't have to worry about running into Francesca Hong,

party city. [ Laughter ] Also, I couldn't make a character like this up, and she's running for governor. Of a big state, Wisconsin. She also said that she once

left a restaurant, because she had an anxiety attack from being around, quote, "too many old white people." Well, there's an easy solution of that. Don't go to Cracker Barrel. [ Laughter ]

All right, we got a great show.

The show of Palmari and Matt Welcher here, but first up,

is the founder and CEO of the microworks foundation in a host town. It is the founder and see of the micro work foundation and host of the way I heard it podcast micro This is so weird why it was literally 13 years ago We weren't in this student like that in a blink, but it was the most look I was just talking in in make up

I'm wearing makeup It was it was the strangest week for me because I did your show the foundation It just announced a scholarship program saw him out there hooking it and I'm making the rounds And we had a great conversation and it moved the needle three days later I wound up having the exact same conversation with Glenn Beck on his show. Wow

Move the needle. It's great went home felt pretty good went on the socials And that's the first time I saw all my buddies on the right completely lost their minds when they saw me talking to you And all my buddies on the left come completely lost their minds when they saw me talking to Beck I Hey

“We've truly the first time though. I realized I don't think people are listening to anything. I'm saying I think they're looking at who I'm sitting next to”

Yeah, people don't engage. I have this make this complain all the time I just say to people whatever they criticize me. Are you engaging with the idea if you are we're good? Yeah, if you're just saying no you're old you're white you're this you're that or on the other side you're black You but but that's not the idea engage with the idea what a con so let's no So let's talk about your idea, all right because you know you are the original blue collar guy

You really are and it's and it's ever more relevant

It is You know it's a heck of a thing when the headlines catch up to your own smack right

“And honestly no look I was trying it on 13 years ago”

Right, but the foundation had been around for five years We were doing a pretty good job of shining a light on a bunch of decent jobs at for a whole lot of reasons people weren't excited about having When we started off like well well, there's steam fitters pipe fitters ship builders lineman plumbers Electritions, you know that part of the workforce that doesn't require four-year degree But kind of keeps the whole country stitched together, right dirty jobs was a love letter to those

Vocations, but it was an entertainment show the serious part of me wanted to do something a bit more on the nose with a foundation So we started these work ethic scholarships We've given away about 20 million dollars in these days. Thank you That was a looking for applause Thank you. Are you deserve it? Well, I don't deserve it, but I'll tell you who does the the people

Like you, and I'm not just sucking up, but this is go ahead. All right No, no, okay, no, no, no, I will it's it this is This is marketing and PR

101 and it goes both ways, you know people always kind of poop poop marketing and like whatever it's the first thing in the budget to go

But the Ideas the stigma's the stereotypes the miss the miss perceptions that surround Seven million open jobs right now many of which you're in trades and in manufacturing those things are real and it's it's a mindset Right, and so to get parents and guidance counselors and people to think differently about the nature of the work It's turning a tanker around and and so people are paying attention out more than they have had an effect

On an area we we've both agreed on for a long time is we don't instead of trying to make everybody get a Knowledge degree. I've certainly done a number of editorials on this make it so a call to is not necessary as much for jobs Where it isn't and 16 states have now put that into law. I think that's because you put that idea in the water

“Well, then you don't need a college degree for everything and that's what we're doing now”

This is great progress. I think because as you say there's so many jobs that need to be done and we don't have enough people to do them I mean because of so many things that are you know, the environment is kind of going off the edge and AI and God knows what else Fires we saw all the need for rebuilding here rebuilding to me It's going to be a very big growth industry and there's just not enough people to do it We had $1.1 trillion in outstanding student loans when you and I talked last now

It's 1.8 trillion most of that's held by kids who either started a four-year degree and dropped out or who got one and Statistically aren't working or not working in their chosen field. That's a bad number Meanwhile, we've got $400,000 of 400,000 jobs in construction right now twice that many in the defense industrial base. It's Bananas and I'm looking I people I'm not sure believe me completely But not a week goes by when I don't get a call from some CEO of some consequential company

Some of which some of whom you mentioned at the model log or an elected official governor's mostly and They're freaking out like they've done the math for every five trades people who retire To come in it's been that way for about 12 years now

So never mind the stigma's in the stereotype. The arithmetic is is horrifying and

It's all just conspired into this Bully a base of bad data and I'm telling you they are in a panic I mean, they I mean anybody certainly any company that has a blue collar workforce is going full on Jim Farley told me he's got 5,000 empty bays at Ford These are AI proof six figure jobs right 120,000 a year. He can't film

He can't film and

“That's but they're out there. That's what I wrote everywhere. Well, there's 7 million men”

Ablebodied men mostly young who are what they call nilth Nilth is in on labor for in the labor force. This is different than unemployed Unemployment means you're looking but you can't find a job. This is not looking the guy who should be looking the guy who should be sitting here to have that Conversation with you is called Nick Everstadt and he wrote a book called men without work He published it in 2000

5 originally and then again during the pandemic because everything he predicted

Not looking that's never happened in our country not in peace time why aren't they looking?

I think it's because the porn is too good the porn is excellent

“But it takes away the motivation you have to be motivated you have to oh I got to get a job to get a girl”

Yeah, they don't want a girl because they said home and Take matters into their own head they do Come on Nick would say The question doesn't start with what are they doing? It starts with what what aren't they doing?

They're not volunteering at their local church They're not in the Kiwanis club. They're not checking out the Rotarians or the Lions club. They're not in the boy scouts or skills USA. They're not contributing anything in their community What are they doing on average? They're spending between 2000 and 2000 100 hours a year on their screen it is

Just we just haven't seen the light of it before how are they able to survive?

“That's I don't I can't paint with two brought a brush maybe some of them are trust fun kids”

Maybe some of them have enough a lot of it is is money from other generation sure you know

They just hate our generation except when we give them money. That's always okay. Yeah

It's always okay when you get daddy's money. Then the boomers aren't so bad. I shared your monologue from last week. Oh, yeah I thought it was I thought it was really important because you didn't you didn't accuse anybody of anything really just quoted. You quoted. Yeah So I put this up on my little page and I wrote what I wrote and we have over 200,000

comments on this thing you hit something that's so primal right now and and yeah for me I don't really have a dog in the big socialism hunt specifically, but I've got one in work force and when I look at 4,500,000 open jobs and then I look at those seven Million-able-bodied men not even looking at the jobs at all and then I look at this whole

Conversation unspooling I don't know if you saw this but the stat that got me within the democratic party right now 59% of Democrats whose support socialism have college degrees 40% whose support socialism don't So this thing that's being called a a worker uprising

It's really not it's not it's this is happening because a lot of people with a really Expensive credential are in the hole in a big way and they're pissed and I don't blame them Honestly, I mean You can say what you want about it, but we they took our advice man They took our advice we said borrow whatever it takes

Go follow your dream and then go get your dream job and that was a bunch of nonsense Yeah, they don't want to borrow money to get a degree for a job that doesn't exist and I don't want to lend the money

Never be able to pay back right to get their credential for the jobs that no, I mean you you had it all right all those years ago

Shop class you know, which by the way they've taken out from a lot of schools I know I wanted to show you this picture you remember a couple years ago There's a big story was out of Canada. This is not America, but it could have been here a shop teacher

“I think her name was Kylo, Kaya Lumia. Yeah show the picture. Yeah, this is a shop teacher. Yeah, there you go”

Your thoughts well that's a shop teacher Two thoughts come to mind I'm doing what I can The first thing that has to go Her hair yeah, her hair is a real hazard. You're going to round the maze

That hair you can No, look when we took shop class out of high school They said the one on one would be a serious look at the changing phase Modern day proletarian. I just thought it was apropos for you. It's apropos I mean it just says a lot that that is it now that's not the typical shop teacher, but not typical no

But at least the shop class is there. I mean when we took shop class out of high school We sent a message to a whole generation of kids not just that these jobs aren't worth pursuing But they're not even worth looking at we removed all the optical proof from K-12 That that kind of work even existed So even a guy walking from

Math to English can't poke his head into the metal shop and go oh look a lathe

That's gone So I I can't prove it, but I I can draw a pretty straight line to every

Calamity we're talking about right now whether it's student debt those seven million men not working or all these open jobs

It starts with the removal of shop class and everything that happened after that Turned us into frogs in the boiling water and a little more and a little more and a little more and now my foundation Has electricians that we trained six years ago that are making 230 grand a year 230 thousand dollars a year Right now no college debt

They're setting their own schedules more over time than than they can fill and Those stories man that's that's the compliment. I meant to pay you and every That's you I've nothing to wish shop class you have everything to do with it Let's not make it another 13 years. It's my motivation Thank you Mike that is fantastic. Mike Row. All right. Let's meet our panel

Thank you

Last place you never find me a shop class. Okay, using

Editor at large Jacque recent magazine and co-host of the fifth column podcast Matt Welch Sharpen And she writes the red letter on sub-stack and host the Tara pulmary show Tara Tara Tara right I'm very dirty girl like you Tara pulmary not Okay, so

Let me pick up on what he was talking about yes last week. I did this whole thing about how the Democratic Socialists only in recent years are really communist and I just quoted them. Okay. I just use their own quotes Now you can argue with me somebody in the audience gas several people did at one point that told me okay This is new to people but either you don't know what communism is or you don't speak English Here's the addressing part the Democratic Socialists very recently were truly socialists

“They were founded by this guy I think is him is Michael Harrington his name is now a slur”

That should tell you where they've gone. It's like oh my god you're a Harringtonite you still believe in Socialism so interesting the wrinkle in the story because now that they're communist there's an opening for socialism And you know who's filling it Donald Trump Donald Trump how else do you explain a 9.9 stake in intel by the government is that not socialism? NVIDIA we took 15% cut when we let them sell chips to China Nippon steel that's merged with US steel we have a golden share we basically run their boardroom now

And you know this is socialism I think because Bernie Sanders agrees with it all oh Yeah, he wants to do it with the AI companies the free market is dead They have decided that the government wants to control 30 different companies and intel alone which was a loser because of NVIDIA They have they basically own 9.9% of that company and

That's a lot and President Trump after they invested in this company he been went on to Buy stocks in NVIDIA which shot up 200% okay, so he actually made a ton of money on this his government created a floor on a stock Very owns it's crony capital isn't it's crony capital it's yeah seizing literally the means of production because let's Remember how these things happen how did Intel happen right one year ago today Donald Trump was out there

“Saying we need to maybe fire the CEO of Intel because I think he's a Chinese spy”

It's like what the president is just singling out a huge CEO of an important country Company and so they had to scramble the jets and have a meeting at the White House and what happened at the end of that meeting?

Okay, you stay we get 10% of your company. That is thug-ish behavior. We have never seen anything like this in modern time

Also the shake downs. I mean since he came into office in 2025 he has raised $800 million mostly from corporations for his Ballroom for the library We're in the freedom to 50 which is where they are doing baptisms on the national mall and it's all going through Foundations and LLCs who's getting rich who gives a shit about the ballroom

We have to stop talking about It's about the money They are making from the ballroom okay, who's getting the contracts in a four five trillion dollar economy We're talking about the ballroom. It's no stupider than burning man. No, but there's a strong

“It's just I just I can to disguise for them to make money. Okay. It's it's important not to sleep on the problem of”

Seizing companies which is something that Republicans knew a lot about when they objected strenuously to Barack Obama

Having government motors

He's picking winners and losers at least some of the companies he picked for winners like Tesla

“What happens is that you the government now is your regulator?”

It's your shareholders, so it's it's right. It's in profit and loss Sometimes it's your finance here. It's giving you money and then sometimes it's your customer too The conflicts of interest are crazy and then from the perspective of a company now the company doesn't have to think about its customers Which a company should be doing it's thinking about one person in the White House right now So it's doing worse and we're doing worse and none of us are saying that we're against socialism every

Modern democracy is a quasi socialist country as it should be the private sector should be none of us are against You're not for Medicare social security the Marine Corps. I don't necessarily call though. I don't know again

Social programs necessarily many of them. I am but I'm I

Socialism as an idea is a bad idea. It's worth calling. Socialism out as well as communism communism is the bad applied version Socialism ain't no picnic either but some part of a democracy has to be socialistic the government has to do certain things that the private sector cannot or Should not am I wrong about that? The government is is there to do things that we have we decided that we can't do ourselves right and that's going to happen in every single company I don't call that socialistic. Okay. Well most people do

Social literally called social security All right, by the way, I found someone who's not a socialist in the Democratic Party and it's a surprising one But I was reading a lot about him this week. Mr. Elsa. Yeah, Dr. Elsa. Yeah, that was the big story in politics this week There was a primary in Michigan. There was a more conventional Democratic candidate

Lost a squeaker to Dr. Elsa yet now. He's obviously on the subject of his real we're not aligned at all But it's interesting. He's not DSA He says he's not he says he's not and he says I'm a capitalist he does say that he believes in

“Regulating monopolies, but I think most people agree with I think right now he realizes he just won”

the primary election with the help of Hassan Piker and he's probably got a move a little bit to the right He needs to he didn't win Detroit. I mean he didn't he didn't win black voters. He didn't win roll voters. He won the Subaru voter the white urban College educated voter. So he's got a lot of work to do McComb County Wayne County, but I think The interesting thing about him is he really speaks to the moment and it's a huge review on Donald Trump

Whether you believe in the DSA or what he'd they stand for or socialism. He is a change candidate. He went out there. He basically said to people who are broke and pissed. I hear you and I am running against the people who are in power right now and it's not just Donald Trump because the rest of Democrats are only running against Donald Trump. He's running against Donald Trump and Chuck Schumer

who spent 30 million against him and a pack that's been another 30 million against him. So he's the

anti-establishment candidate trying to he's like this isn't a gate. I don't get past you people. You want to spend 60 million dollars on me? That's 60 million dollars with billboards. Thank you very much. So this is this is just what's going to happen in these moments because Americans love change and he is the change candidate. We learn about major political parties by what happens in their contested primaries. What we've seen now kind of beginning in New York but also with the

Grand Platinum race in Michigan in Colorado and elsewhere all the tension all the fights are right there on this and what voters in Michigan have decided enough of them and what DSA and Hassan Piker a big fan of Chinese communism and Cuban parties too. So he might not have DSA on his forum. He's hanging out with Hassan Piker who's a loon and what they're saying right now is that we don't care if we lose or we're willing to roll the dice on losing this. This is what the

Tea Party was doing with Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell 10 years ago. We will back this person because we want that change agent so much we want to change the nature and the characteristic of our political party so it's no more Chuck Schumer's because my god how long as Chuck Schumer's going to be with us forever and so they back a person Michigan is a contested state. Democrats absolutely want and yes and the conventional wisdom is the Democrats walked into a trap. They often

happens in the primary the fringe candidate the candidate on the far left and Republican party the far right wins the primary because that's who votes in primaries. I don't think that's

“the case. I think he's probably going to win Michigan and I'll tell you why because in the”

democratic party when you're a person of color it allows you to be more centrist. A lot of these people they just they simply don't trust white people and I'm talking mostly about the white people. Are you saying that he don't like they don't like white people don't like white people. I'm saying it allows you to be more centrist like Obama was. They just

about whiteness and toxicity she described her son. Now she she has a ex husband who is white

okay she's Asian um she described his wrestling with this is the her own son being in proximity

“to whiteness of all the things I think the Democrats have to lose number one whiteness”

it's not a disease you look like nice people you're nice people right. I think he would be Italian son. Oh yeah I'm white ethnic white ethnic I guess you know. Okay well that I'm sorry but that does not count as a person of color. No that's a it's a person with a good tan that's a very different thing but this has got to go I think I think this is their big flaw. I think you're they're not running on that like she didn't run and campaign on the people here it sure because it's in every single

one of their tweets from 2020 and 2021. I mean these grown-ass adults five years ago were saying in doing absolute nonsense and now they're running in every Democratic race and distancing themselves from their tweets that they made as you know 35 year olds. Yes only in America can you be 35 year old and be like oh I'm sorry I was it was a youthful and discretion I don't know what I was saying I don't believe any of them all the DSA people are saying although these things you quoted last week

we don't say yeah you said it you meant it stop it you yeah flip flopping though this is as all this that's a flip flopping that's lying that's just pretending you don't I know who you really are

and that's okay I mean isn't communism is an economic system it always leads to a horribly corrupt

violent political system but it is an economic you're allowed to vote for it I'm not saying

“make it illegal or anything but just own up to what it is that's what it is when you're talking”

about seizing the means of production you are a communist okay just just own it yeah I think the interesting twist right now is that they are trying to distance themselves from their tweets of five years ago because they realize how just completely unpopular it is and it also reminds us that what did we do 12 years ago suddenly we decided that you know that biological sex was incredibly fluid but race was cement this was bizarre I mean race is a much more kind of variable sometimes

even fictitious concept and yet we're gonna die on this hill and then be obsessed over here with everybody's little single drop of whatever background that they have it's madness we need to get away from that madness and these reminders the people were saying this five years ago they are telling on themselves a person who thought that five years ago right now is not going to be serious today I don't think well who is the Democrat who's gonna stand up and say I'm a white guy I'm not

a racist because I don't think white people are worse that we're all the same humans are not good people now they're just armed we've all done horrible things of every race there's slavery they wasn't invented in 1619 everybody did it throughout history they didn't even think it was wrong in the Bible there's lots of rules about it not in the mark don't do it there's say there's an additional burden that this place is when you are thinking constantly in terms of race

who gets off easy in this and this white people to actually because we're not obsessed with being white we don't think about it it's weird anyone who does think about it we know is weird and we don't want to hang out with them strange but the burden of it is like they're supposed to be a black way to think or an Asian way to think it's madness we should think like individuals and

not have to be always self-conscious of how we are different than some majority that is a stupid

way and an anti-American way of looking at it yeah it's just it's weird that they the far left liberals the white they seem to have this self-loathing like that that's very important to their

“identity that we know we're bad that's how we know we're good anyway we like to cover all the”

issues on this show and I noticed that you know it was state fair why may have been trying to sell this I mean this is we're doing it because it's funny but it is it's it's time for the state fairs all around the country they're having them now on Ohio was constant Ohio and New York Minnesota Alaska Kentucky we cater to all times we're not one of those shows you just take caters to one group we have Mike Rowan forgot six so we even picked up a copy because we care about

this so much of state fairer living this is the magazine about state fairs and it's just fascinating would you like to hear some of the articles I'm going to wait okay 10 ways to eat a corn dog without looking

top LGBTQ's friendly state fairs none

original beach boy or old man muttering Barbara and five ways to know um dear state fair living what are the bearded ladies pronouns guess your wait worker tells all as Zempick is ruining my job I'm sorry he's in a better place another thing to tell your kid after the gold fish dies on the way and gold cotton candy tastes the president's hair

“so there's many important stories what I want to talk about cancel culture for a minute because I saw”

this story this week a doctor on Broadway named Geno Seeger's I hope I'm pronouncing that right I may owe there he is he was set to star in a movie called a movie a play called maybe a musical I don't know called Hades town Hades town not Hades town Hades he he was going to play the devil and then they found out he is the devil so he will not be playing the devil why because they got a hold of the old tweets I guess they're not that old but

it just the lesson here to me is that cancel culture is not dead because he is shit can from the show and that in certain precincts of this country you are not allowed to have any opinion that doesn't conform exactly and I mean exactly to the one true opinion he said he's time I'd trans people I'm not against anyone living out their lives the way they want but I am against their rights superseding the rights of other people now if you made this argument in any

kind of reasonable debate it's okay about anybody about anybody superseding your rights it's we do not have the right to have a differing opinion this cannot go on I don't think it can

“go on I guess it will go on I think it was a calculated marketing decision because Broadway”

obviously has a very big population that runs it gay population people that buy their consumers that buy tickets are gay I think that they probably decided that this online mob that moved very quickly against them they made some comms in marketing decision and they were like we don't want to have a boycott of our show so let's just get rid of them I think this is more of a market decision in terms of Broadway because he'd be welcome at the Pentagon under a heck

pegs at the second

every time I read one of these stories I always like you know they usually portray like you know

his hateful statements that he said I'm like all right what paragraphs are going to be

“12 or 19 that we're going to get to what the statement is and is it going to be remotely hateful”

I didn't find it did you find I don't I mean there are some other ones he said he said no of course some people come to me and say ojino they meaning dreads folks don't feel that way they're just tired of being hunted they're tired of being oppressed and persecuted I'm sorry I don't see that I don't see transgender people becoming oppressed or being persecuted well of course not you work on Broadway but you know he just thinks he's saying there

isn't some pogrom going on out there unless you're getting stabbed every day somewhere around the world and let's say he's wrong about that like he's just materially wrong and analysis okay you can say something that's wrong you can't say no you can't you best to think is that you just can't there's not the only one this week the indiana fever stars Sophie cunning him I don't follow the WNB as closely as I would like to they're not biggest that

they're women just good I'm time first all sports I don't want to college either okay

what it's okay I know it's okay I don't even have to apologize for okay she she just said I got a lot of a lot of feedback a negative feedback about me hating trans she didn't say she hate trans she said I am here to extend the love but I also think that love is truth and being honest and I don't know I want to protect young girls in a locker room or young girls in sport who shouldn't have to go against biological men again

is this this is where about 80% of the country is and Martina Navratelova is and has been for a long time right prominent athlete and lesbian well no I mean that's where I live into the

for long time people are necessarily the same in terms of like they're beliefs on this of course

I mean yeah of course I just were Tina Navratelova is not an insignificant person in this debate and can't be called a maga Barbie which is what people are calling Sophie cunning him because she's blonde and she pointed at people and she is she knows that she has a fan base of people who don't who are on the on the 80 side of the issue so the 20 side of the issue and there's an attempt to

“kind of demonizer and I think the interesting part is that it's failing I mean there's she has to”

answer questions at every press conference in the WNBA and she kind of just matter a faculty gives it back and she's not really suffering all that much I think the culture has changed a lot in healthy ways but just as in broadway just as in the sports press core strangely enough there are places where they try to enforce the 20 against the 80 and it looks ridiculous increasingly so you think it's also marketing when they made patty lapone of Broadway been the need because she had a controversy

about a year ago if you don't know patty look when she's a big Broadway star and she was working in a theater that was very shared a wall with another show happened to be a black show and the noise was bleeding through the wall and patty lapone said can we work this out and she was history's greatest monster for suggesting black people are loud that's not what she was saying she was just saying people in my show can't hear because of your show baby we can work something out

and she was made to apologize all of Broadway had to put out an open letter they all hated her yet this is madness I think that the arts are controlled by liberals yes and so they're

“four they just set the rules I mean that's what they do I don't think that's liberal that's”

me that's regressive that is not liberal they're liberals don't know what liberalism is anymore by the way patty lapone was on this cruise ship to dream about that the cruise ship that when it was a gay cruise ship she's a gay icon Broadway star okay so she's on this gay cruise ship would not let it dock in Turkey and Egypt would not let the cruise ship dock and a lot of people were saying well I mean on the left they were saying oh you know this is this right is backlash against gay

no it isn't it's because they're Muslim countries they don't think gay people have equal rights or in some ways some some instances don't think they should even be allowed to exist this is what

the problem is they don't know where liberalism is yeah I mean that's illiberal yes and we are

in a situation where there are large minority strings in both major parties and the blocks that comprise them that are antileverals the post liberal right has been talking about this for a

“long time they look at the enlightenment founding principles and say I don't know that's not that's”

not common good we need to think about common good and on the left we've seen for a long time now a very anti-liberal set of sort of speech ideas and just the amount of of social pressure that was enacted on people for many many years and everyone went through it there was a backlash you know if you are facing your HR person trying to tell you a bunch of nonsense and you know if you speak up and say that sounds like a little crazy you're going to get into a world of hurt

a lot of people went through that and told themselves like the solution to this is to vote for

Donald Trump and now I'm sure there's some regrets I mean there's always going to be a

consequence to having an unpopular opinion someone could see here one of my opinions while I'm sitting here and they might not want to open a door to me and I just think a lot of it is driven by the market some of it is driven by fear and if they make decisions in 48 hours it's super rush and especially with the way that things move right now the online mob it can get together in a matter of minutes but I do think that you don't know if what you say is going to close doors you don't know how

you are sending people at any time well give you good example bad power money then they make the decisions that's usually how it works you know give you good example of that I promoted the idea that the liberals are fetishizing the wrong people um Melissa chargey she was also running she was you know pretty staunch liberal she was asked about LGBT rights which she has supported including as she has supported justice health care protections and housing and unemployment

she says then why is that not on your website her answer because a lot of Muslims do not feel that way unfortunately oh since they don't feel that way we just throw the gay people under the bus yeah and this is what liberalism is now yeah I mean there are some of this and the Michigan primary of well I didn't want to come out too strong about the iatola being killed because a lot of the constituents out there are a little upset about that well you can probably take

a position about the iatola being killed or about Hamas being bad or is you're letting it right to exist which you know I'll say at several times it said yeah he found it hard to get to a yes

not about him to know what he thinks about something some of these issues but I assume he's running

“in America he's he's wants to be in America and he wants to have American values I certainly”

would hope that to be the case but you know come out fourth rightly and just say we do not want to be the country that doesn't allow gay ships to dock okay is that that hard to hear um okay so Trump got two guys in this week two of his people had a pretty good week with their Todd Blanch is personal lawyer which okay but Jack Kennedy had his brother as an attorney that's okay and Jay Clayton John asks us off who I think that's the guy the Democrats should be

looking to I think he says some great things Chris he's a Jew forget it he said to Todd Blanch who could not or maybe he was Jay Clayton who could not get himself to say the Trump lost the 2020 he said to him aren't you embarrassed this is the this is the right question to be asking

“Republican aren't you embarrassed that you can then you have to sit here knowing the Donald”

Trump is watching you and that you can't say what everybody else in this room knows including you that he lost it's 2020 election how can you do your job under those circumstances that to me is the question the Democrats should be asking it's a question and it goes to your genie and hero thing in the model on to your job the way you got that job is by nodding enough when the president of the United States said something that was just absolute BS you got that job for

that reason and then you will come up and this happened with Dan Bungino and everybody else suddenly you come into the office and you can't keep doing the lie in office and it's very difficult and so then you have to go and have a rough meeting with the president think about that

“world that we're in right now like that is you either have to say that the 2020 election was”

rigged or in the case of our FK junior that the 2004 election was rigged against Democrats and looked that up if you haven't but that is a really bad place we're in an epistemic dead end right now all right thank you very much very fun okay our hero now that you need heroes set up to Trump and said she won't prosecute the guy Trump accused

evangelizing the reflecting pool she has to tell us why don't you want America to be great I don't think Trump isn't going to get back at you that 200% tariff on French wine now it's 300% uh new rule scolds and prudes have to stop saying there's something weird about

Maine's Senate candidate Troy Jackson being married to his second cousin

have ever been to Maine there are three things to do. Marry your cousin get Lyme disease and kill camp counselors and and they're not actually married they just have a couple of kids. Marry your cousin that would be grown.

No rule since I couldn't make this year's international out porn festival and and Nadda Switzerland please sign me up for next year because I'm dying to find out where you put the weed and how you light it

and I hear the music sucks but the snacks after winter are amazing

uh neural now that scientists have created the first ever 3D map of the nerves running two and from the female clitoris. They have to tell me why does it look so much like the cover of the Eagles one of these nights album uh neural designers at the AI Moga company must tell us why their new humanoid robot comes with blonde hair and a fat ass.

You're working too hard have you met a human male will stick our dick in a vacuum cleaner here's a sign you're living in a future nobody wants when you meet a girl at the club and tell her back that thing up and she says you mean to the cloud

and finally neural stop threatening to put everyone in jail who you just don't like

who is back in the news because Senator Paul formerly of the privacy is everything

“wing of the Republican party got hold of Dr. Fauci's personal diary”

and published all of it. Rand babe your entire brand is Senator Wright to privacy you're the libertarian guy the fourth amendment guy it's your family like a sea your entire political career has been about warning us about government overreach you printing someone's diary is like AOC wearing a gown that says tax the poor I'm so we enter yet another story news news story that illustrates the Rorschach test

that is America Dr. Fauci depending on your politics is either in a steam dedicated public servant

or a vein flawed bureaucrat well it's both wife's complicated that way you know it's really complicated

“science and Dr. Fauci definitely got some of that wrong he said if you got the vaccine it was”

highly unlikely you'd get COVID or transmitted wrong okay but that's not because it was part of some self-dealing plot things were changing rapidly they just got it wrong that science reports of Fauci deliberately lying are based on lazy research including from centrists that got timelines wrong or transposed but Fauci could be unforgiving too in his diary he described to dispute with

another medical advisor Scott Atlas who wanted to keep the schools open which Fauci told his

dear diary borders on criminal no he's not a criminal and you're not a criminal which should be obvious since only two months later when Atlas resigned Fauci wrote the one area he was correct was in saying that school children are not the drivers of the outbreak okay so can we not call people criminals just for the part they got wrong look from the beginning there were two schools of thought on how to handle COVID one was the model they followed in Sweden and

Florida two places that have nothing in common except a love of old people and sweaters but both places thought it was smarter and both did quite well by laser focusing on protecting the vulnerable and letting life go on for everyone else they thought it was a good idea to get out and go in the sun for vitamin D and fresh air you know crazy stuff not crazy stuff okay the other side well let's just say they aired on the side of caution really really into airing

on that side I showed this picture last week that's a democratic socialist meeting in Colorado last month now that's extreme but it's the direction that that half of the country tends toward David Lee and Hart studied this issue and wrote of democrats during the pandemic organizing their lives around COVID is core to their identity as progressives and that is the place for I have a problem with the hero worship of Anthony Fauci but because it seems fame is a drug

with a hundred percent addiction rate have you read some of the shit and Fauci's diary last week I played a game here called who said it Fauci or Trump let's play it is not hyper related to say I am the most famous and talked about person in the country the nurses went absolutely wild to see me I am such a valued spokesperson and a good communicator one person said that type of banks was sexy but I was even sexier than she was none of that is Trump that's all Fauci

writing to himself at any

“why so we can read it back when he's a hundred and remember what a hot piece of ass he was at”

talk about main character syndrome Fauci drops celebrity names like 60 minutes drops car a sponge and I mean it's like finding out that in the 1950s Jonas saw kept a diarrhea he was developing the polio vaccine but it was mostly about how he got to meet how he did he now am I saying all of Fauci's decisions came about because he was lapping up the adulation no but you have to try awfully hard not to notice how much Fauci is energized by being

Jesus with a Petri dish not Randy Quay and that side likes to think of themselves as the purely

“science people even though keeping kids out of school that long and traumatizing two”

year olds with masks wasn't good science Fauci supported some strange policies for such an

esteemed epidemiologist natural immunity doesn't count now meaning even if you've had the disease

“you still had to get the shot that sounds more like what Pfizer and Fauci's celebrity friends”

wanted to hear he let this shit go to his head turns out the really dangerous intimate contact wasn't shaking hands it was kissing ass and yet he is very very far away from being a criminal please he's not Dr. Mangala because your kid had to take algebra on zoom he put in a lot of service for the country but at the end of the day he was somewhat seduced I mean ask yourself what happens every time in high school the nerdy kid gets invited to the cool kid's table

okay that's never happened but if it did look when someone strokes your ego it affects your

opinions and it's all too easy to go from everyone says I'm amazing to only idiots disagree with me Hollywood co-opted Fauci and Fauci told the country what Hollywood wanted to hear if you go outside you'll die so send your assistant all right that's that's that's that's

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