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No, not at all. This street is my safe space.
You mean, you're all right? Yeah, exactly. This street is the street that's just stopped. It's just a studio, a job or a home. It's stopped. It's not like it's stopped. It's stopped. It's stopped.
With this street. From the HBO latest series, real time with Bill Maul. All right. Here we go with an actress actress and author.
“He's forced to make memoirs, so the end of my life is killing me.”
And if they'll go with, he's a democratic senator from California, Adam Schiff. And he's a journalist who hosts the Don Lemon Show podcast, Don Lemon. All right. There are the questions from the people.
What do you make of the latest batch of Epstein files released by the up?
Another batch. This is like the McRibb. It's always a new batch. What's actually the reconstitute, right? Because these were files that were in there and then they took them out. And then they put them back in after they were caught.
Oh, well, what's in them? I haven't seen the new batch. Really? Well, I saw what came out like a week or two ago. That there was, I thought it was millions and millions of pages. I thought that was it.
There were a lot of files that were put back in, but the most concerning one is that there are, there's a woman who is 13 at the time, and she's older now. But she accused Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump of being untoward, specifically accusing Donald Trump of raping her. And then in the file, it says, according to her,
something to the effect of I'm going to show you how to be a good little girl, because she bit his penis during oral sex. Now it's, it's him there. I mean, it's unsubstantial. It's unsubstantial. But it's really shocking. I...
I don't know. I'm one of those people who thought that there was really nothing to this, and that we really shouldn't pay attention to. But I've really changed my mind about it. Oh, I approve.
“And I've just come around 360 to the idea that these are really important.”
It's really important. I apologize to you and not. I did. I said that, you know, Democrats don't eat babies, but you guys were writer about this, then I was. And when we were mocking you and saying, oh, these crazy conspiracy,
they think there's some sort of pedophile ring of the elites around the world. And there was a pedophile ring of the elites around the world. Now I'm thinking, there really was like a child trafficking. Like, oh, that's going to look at that pizza parlor. No, no, no, no, no.
There's not a pizza. And Hillary's not part of it. OK, I don't know whether this is part of any recent batches. This is what I'm really looking at. There were 40,000 documents that were held by the Justice Department, which include the FBI interviews with that 13 year old victim.
Why did they withhold those in the first bright? And are we ever going to see these things?
They're letting members of Congress go to the Justice Department to see 3 million files that have not been released.
But the catch is, you can only bring up pen and pad. So I've got to sit there and go through 3 million documents. I can't download anything. I can only take notes. It's obviously designed not to be an effective way to do oversight and find what's in there.
Why are they continually hiding this evidence? That's the kind of question, shift-y shift. What else? Well. I'm going to have to sharpen that pencil magnet behind that. That is so fucked up. That is so amazing that they would even try to pull that off.
What is the rationale behind that? I can't even imagine. Well, I don't know that they've given one except it gets worse because when members go and you do a search, like if I were searching for those missing 302s, the missing FBI interviews, they keep a record of my searches. So you have to use their computer.
They keep a record of what I'm looking for. And I haven't gone down there because it's designed for me not to be able to effectively look at the documents. But the fact that they're essentially spying on members who do go down there and what their searches are shows you exactly what they're all about. And it's all about hiding the evidence. It's about hiding the evidence and then retribution for people.
Like you define something on you. What is he looking for? Right. If you get anywhere near, you know, what they don't want you to see, then they're going to come at you.
“But what about all of the women who stood up behind Christy Know and haven't had their testimony taken?”
I mean, we're talking about what's in the Epstein files. What about what's not in the files? I was really moved by that when these women stood up.
It takes a lot of courage to come forward, stand up like that.
I do.
“But what's concerning to me is that no one has been brought in for questioning.”
Hillary Clinton, who doesn't really know Jeffrey Epstein has been following. She was questioning about pizza gate. It was so stupid. Heads of state and foreign countries have lost their positions and people are suffering consequences. Except for the people who are closest to it and the one person who is mentioned in the Epstein files.
The second to Jeffrey Epstein and Julian Maxwell is Donald Trump and no one is questioning him about this.
Especially an allegation and allegation from a 13-year-old child. That's serious shit. So, what is going on here? Yes, especially what she said. I mean, yeah.
And that was part of what she said. She went on to say other things that were just equally as deplorable. Let's get to the next question. My penis is hurting now.
“Annabelle, what's your take on Trump RX?”
Trump's proposal to reduce prescription drug costs. And then maybe you can answer and then you can tell us if there was anything actually good in that. Because there was something that was buried in the news because there was so much scandalous stuff. Have you followed this? Yes, I have an official term for this.
This is a crock of shit. Okay. Of bullshit, non-fix to real issues that we have. And one of the things that happened after I was diagnosed, you know, I got involved in the global community in science.
And I have also seen how differently, for instance, the EU and ministrates, drugs, pharmaceuticals and medical care versus the United States. We have left all the decisions to the states and this has to do with pharmaceutical prices. There are different insurance policies state by state that affect your survival in the EU. They are borderless.
If you can't get treatment in one EU state, you go to the next state and your home country covers the cost of that. They're caring about everyone's health.
This little nitpicky thing, which, first of all, it's hard to understand what actually you do with this Trump RX thing.
Because is it part of your insurance? Is it not part of your insurance? It's just making it harder for the consumer. They keep telling us that we have to be informed consumers with health care. This is not trying to pick between Cocoa Puffs and Captain Crunch.
We can't understand this stuff. It's too complicated. We need one fix. What was in this bill? Well, as I understand at this Trump RX program, basically tries to give the impression that it's reducing drug costs. But these are medications which you can already buy and reduce cost.
And in fact, you're not really saving anything. The manufacturers of the drugs haven't lowered prices for this website. So it looks like kind of a marketing scam. But it does bring me back to the one meeting I had with Trump during Trump 1 when he invited me into the Oval Office. And I was trying to steer the subject matter to things we might actually agree on.
And first I brought up infrastructure because it was infrastructure week every week without infrastructure. And his first comment was, "Yeah, you Democrats really like your infrastructure." Which was kind of odd considering he was the infrastructure president. But then I brought up prescription drugs because he had expressed interest and working with Elijah Cummings on bringing down the cost of drugs.
And I said, "You know, we should work on that. We should work together on that." And he says, "I like Elijah Cummings. He has a lot of nice things to say about me." And I remember thinking to myself, "I know Elijah very well.
I have never heard him say anything nice about you."
But we went through those four years really without his making any serious efforts.
“So I think this is a kind of a marketing idea designed to give the impression he's trying to bring the cost of the least one thing down.”
Yeah. It's all a show, you know that. I do know that. I'm just wondering if the, but why doesn't it work? You know, I mean it's amazing the way we have these elections.
And it seemed like when I looked before the election, boy, the ammunition that the Democrats have to fire is just got there just loaded. And then it doesn't work. Why doesn't this message land? You know, it landed in November of this last year in the special elections. We were disciplined, we focused on...
Little late. Well, yes, I mean it was, you know, certainly wasn't 2024 when it would have mattered a big time. But in every election since his election, Democrats have really crushed it. And I think Billier Wright, it is probably 90% voting against Trump and 10% voting for Democrats.
The fact that we have been united on a message that centers around people's e...
They're inability to afford medication and groceries and everything else. That is a big enough umbrella for a very diverse democratic party to stick together behind. And so far, it's been very successful.
“And I think if we continue between now and this November,”
with a laser-like focus on trying to improve the quality of people's lives and helping them, you know, make sure the economy works for them. Then we can have a resounding November. Are you going to -- they're going to kill it in November. They're no doubt about it. You think the Democrats are going to kill it? Absolutely.
There's no doubt about it. But there's a long time between it. There's a long time. But it's -- I mean, it's the words that I ended up, my editor-als night with, it was a John Ossoff who said that, like, they are the elites they pretend to hate.
But as you saw, what I said after that is, if the Democrats can weaponize that message, it doesn't seem like it should be that hard because, you know, again, the stuff is right there laying on the table. All right. Do you support Bernie Sanders' new legislation that calls for an annual --
this is for you, Senator, and annual 5 percent wealth tax on Americans'
Americans' billionaires? Yeah, so I haven't looked at Bernie's proposal, but I'm supporting a widen proposal, Ron Wyden, which would basically put a tax on unrealized capital gains.
“So a lot of very, very wealthy people never have to sell all the assets they own.”
They pass them to their ares. They live off of what they borrow from these appreciating assets. And so they don't have to pay tax on any of this. And you could raise $3,000 to pay tax. What's that?
Because I'm at the estate tax. I'm talking about taxing unrealized capital gains. So if you have something that keeps appreciating and value, and you're making over 100 million and income every year, which is a small group of people, we should tax that.
We should have a much more progressive tax code. I'm going to look at what Bernie's proposed. But I think at the end of the day, we have to address this extraordinary income gap, this degree to which a handful of families own more collectively.
It doesn't have a dozen families than 40% of the whole country. And so whether it's a wealth tax like Bernie's or it's a proposal like Ron Wyden's, I'm for it if it's going to help address this income inequality. And use those resources to make the economy work for average Americans again. But Gavin's again.
[applause] There is a split in the Democrats.
“I mean, Gavin Newsom is a pretty liberal guy.”
He's against this. I mean, billionaires.
I mean, I'm a million miles from being months, so I don't give a shit.
What happened to them? If you look at this in the most simplistic way, let's just be honest. If you have the opportunity to live in America, where you have the privilege of becoming a billionaire. Right.
What is 5% going? I do. Couldn't agree more. Matters. So yeah, I don't know the specifics.
But in this problem is, here's the awkwardment against it. This is why Gavin Newsom is against it. It makes billionaires leave the state and many already have. And then the tax base actually goes down. Where are they going to go?
They're going to step forward. Okay. So just Texas. But it's in the entire America. It's 5% of all billionaires.
Where are they going to go? If you make it a federal law, but that ain't going to happen. You know, I look at this and I don't want to be just like Mono focus, but through a healthcare lens. If you're not a billionaire in this country with the wealth gap now,
there's a reason why one third of go fund me is our medical crisis related. And bankruptcy. And bankruptcies. Okay. I do a lot of mentorship now.
And I recently had a couple staying at my house who had lost their home because of the medical costs incurred through their cancer treatment. You're such a saint. You have cancer, but you're giving your house to somebody else. That's true.
I am a kind of a saint, but I have an extra bedroom. And it's one small action I can do. But because this is just terrible that this is happening in America, go fund me is not a medical insurance plan. Yeah.
Okay. Do you think Mark Wayne Mullen, Mark Wayne? What was Trump's thing? Got me someone who sounds like a serial killer.
I always think people that dream out.
Who sounds like a serial fraud. He sounds like a serial fraud Wayne. Gacy Mark Wayne Mullen. He only wants three names. It's really scary.
No, this is one name. Mark Wayne is one name. That's not true.
That makes it even stupider.
His name is Mark Wayne. It's not three names.
He's got the sharpest knife.
No, he's right there. His middle name is also Mark Wayne. It's Mark Wayne Mullen. It's Mark Wayne Mullen. Mark Wayne Mullen.
Okay. Don't tell me not to be laughing about this. You know, we, okay.
“Will he be an improvement over a Christy Nome as DHHS secretary?”
I mean, how could he be? I don't know. This is a guy who wants to start fights. Did you see that? Total election.
Total election. Election denier. MMA. Yeah. And when someone who said it was a war and said we're in a war right now, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Okay. Will he be better than Christy Nome? I think you'd want to ask his dog that question. I'm guessing the dog would say yes, he's got to be at a proven. I mean, I don't know if we're going to see much or any change in how that agency is led, because
it's really led by Steven Miller in the White House. Right. So I suspect it won't be different. Although it's hard to say that anyone could be worse than Christy Nome. Yes.
Yeah. I'm not a saint. But I do volunteer with an arts program, a project. You know? We...
What were you doing? I was going to come, but I was reading to blind children there. What we do is we provide arts programming and mental health services for young migrants seeking asylum in the United States. Oh.
One of my students was the first student, high school student arrested by ice, Dylan Lopez Contreras in the Bronx. And when I was his teacher, I was so impressed by this young man because he happens to be from Venezuela, which is a problem right now. For Trump, everything Venezuela, this fantastic young person who I taught in my thought,
this is what America is going to be. He was the first student arrested and it really broke my heart. And I just feel so... I'm having trouble not feeling hopeless about this situation about who is going to be... Who are going to be the next Americans?
You know?
“Well, let me tell you why you should feel hope.”
Because there's always a...
The first domino of the first shoe. And I think Christy Nome is the first. And I think... What is based on the American people get used to him firing people. You start seeing him fire other people to take the blame for whatever atrocities
that have been committed in this country or misdeeds. And then... Because he's going to try to improve his poll numbers before the November election. And so you're going to... I think you're going to see maybe a complete change of height.
And Venezuela, Venezuela. Even the New York Times and NPR. But there's... They say that the restaurants are open again and people are partying. It's like, hey, but our democracy is...
Yeah, and the shitter. Okay. Well, let's... Let's just go to Venezuela. Yeah.
Final question. Jesse Jackson's funeral today was attended by... Form President Biden, Obama.
“Clinton, what are your reflections on Jackson's contribution to American politics?”
I was invited to not go because I'm here. But I... So, you know, rest in power. Jesse Jackson. Who was very instrumental in my success.
Him and his family. I was in a local anchor. Is that right? Yeah. I was a local anchor in Chicago.
I was very supportive of me and the journalist there, especially the black journalist, to make sure that we got a fair shot. We got to interview the people of import... ...in Port I.E. Barack Obama. When he was a state center, running for U.S. Center and they're running for President of the United States. And I know all of his children and they are.
He did a great job with his kids. If it were not for Jesse Jackson, there may not be a Barack Obama. That's true. There may not be a Obama in St. Louis. I was going to have to have it online.
He was always a character.
A happy warrior. What I loved about him is that he wasn't perfect. But we all have sinned and come short. Of course. But he was very transparent about it.
And I always liked that about him. Yeah. I mean, it was a politician. Yeah. I mean, politicians.
He was a man of the people, but he was a man. There you go. I cannot improve on anything done so. Okay. All right.
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