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And this is very much related to sort of the spiritual warfare side of what's happening. Angels and demons, and all of that, we're going to break all that down with Billy a little bit later. So stay tuned for this show. It's going to be unlike most of our normal shows.

But of course, we're going to start with some of the breaking news items.

One of them is this now, I mean, what feels like all, you know, full speed ahead on redistricting throughout major states. But obviously, primarily, it seems like in the south, we're talking about Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi. We know Georgia is saying maybe not right now.

We know Brian Campan, Georgia has a very different kind of roll he plays there in with it. Atlanta being such a major city. Now look, we have had this discussion of whether we feel like this was a good thing or a bad thing when Texas went, you know, started it and then California really went wild and then spring court ruled.

And now all bets are off. Here's the truth that we're in the real world of where we're standing right now, politically, and we're in a real world of where we stand legally now. So all bets are off. So whether we like it or not, do you think this is what needs to happen?

We have Florida where they'll be adding four Republican seats. Well, Texas, they'll be adding five Republican seats Louisiana, one to two seats, Tennessee, one seat. And look, Tennessee is already one of the reddest states in the country in terms of the map here. Alabama, they'll be adding one seat, Mississippi up one seat.

And the women are the law pretty much ruled that if you, it doesn't matter if it's partisan, it doesn't matter what the politics land.

“If it represents the people, that's how it should be and they can make that decision.”

And the voters can decide that. Tennessee lawmakers and Wednesday, they unveiled their proposal for a new congressional map. We sell Florida right to stand to stand as well. What do you think one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero? Is this just the new reality that we live in?

Or do you think there should be something more? Give me a call. Let me know. Is it saying, hey, do you take the, I think, look, conservatives have had issues with this. And I understand it.

Because the moral high ground you may think of, I'm not for gerrymandering. I'm not for redistricting.

What the truth is, this is what the Supreme Court ruled.

And therefore, do you do what you got to do? And you are still playing by the rules. And I understand that politics is politics. I want to know from you as our viewer is our listener. One eight hundred six eight four three one one zero.

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one ten. That's going to be talking about more with Mike Pompeo. I'll be in the third segment. And again, we got a packed show, Billy Hall and I'll join this in the back half of the broadcast. So again, stay tuned.

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So I want you to call in and be a part of this show. Of course, we were talking that really what happened was the Texas started this in some ways. California went wild. We know that.

And now they're had to go to the Supreme Court and they're had to be a response. And they said, hey, redistricting like the judicial system, you know, it can read the redistrict based off of partisan politics. That's what even the Tennessee House Speaker wrote in his post on social media. Of course, they were talking about.

Get rid of really one of the few Democrats that are even have a spot. So what does that look like moving forward? What do you think about this? I want to hear from you, just reading through all the facts is pretty wild. Of course, it is once again focused on the American South.

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“One of the facts that one of our producers brought opposite to remember that this gives”

10 GOP seats in the midterm potentially before votes are cast.

What do you think about that? What do you think about that sort of move that would happen before midterm elections, which are only a few months away? I also want to say I want to have anyone watched the, you know, it became national news, the California mayoral debate that happened last night.

The Los Angeles mayoral debate with Spencer Pratt, Karen Bass. It was a fun one to watch because you could see how quickly one Spitzer Pratt really dominated this. It shows where California stands right now. Of course, California has a large reason to be involved in this situation, of course.

Maybe there was a cause. You could say Texas maybe led the charge early on, but this is something the Democrats have been doing for a very, very long time. We got to call it coming in about that. It's going to Martin and North Carolina Martin is ACLJ champion.

So ACLJ champions, as I said earlier, those that give on a monthly basis, like a membership, and one of the little perks I like to give is that you get to be bumped to the front of the line. He hasn't been on hold the longest, but he gets to go first, Martin. Go ahead.

Thank you, sir.

My comment question is, I had seen, I always thought of validate the shorts that I was

the young Facebook or whatever, that we know, Jen, Jerry Mandarin has been going on for that age. And the statement was made that the reason we're in the situation we're in now has been made by the Democrats trying to isolate certain racial segments and things like that. If that is true, then would this be the downfall of kind of like the Democratic Party

“and winning things now that they can't use racial profiles to win?”

Yeah, I mean, I think what that shows is that one of the things Supreme Court ruled is, yeah, it doesn't have to be, we are not creating districts based on someone's skin color. And there will be a debate on both sides of that, by the way. It'll be debates saying, well, that's not fair because this needs to represent the people if the people in this area are predominantly whatever race they are that may mean they vote

in a certain way, that shouldn't matter and kind of flip that and it shouldn't matter in the same way on the other side, but they're both going to play that same argument, which is it's racist to go this way, it's racist to go that way, pride depends on where you land politically and how you feel whether you are in sort of the old school way of thinking in terms of your maybe brought up in the 70s and 80s and said, you know what, none of

this should matter and the color of your skin does not matter. We all are equal here or do you go in the sense of going, we need to be representative of a specific people and if we think, especially the Democrats think these people will vote our way, that needs to be how it's split up. We've seen states where there is, it looks like there is a pipeline or it looks like

there is a river being cut through for their district that's clearly intentionally made to keep out Republican voters or keep out conservative representatives. If you've been to some of these states, you know that it's not as one sided as it feels. Like a state like Tennessee, it's pretty red. Okay, I'll be honest, we live in Tennessee, you have Nashville and Memphis, the actual epicenters, maybe they are moderately blue.

If you actually broke down the issues of people cared about. But in terms of the mass majority of the state, it's a pretty red state. Florida has changed rapidly in the last 10, 15 years. Have you seen such a mass, as you say, migration to Florida to become this sort of epicenter a freedom, as they call themselves, the free state of Florida.

So does this just represent them? That's a bit of a question that you can have for sure. We do have other calls coming in at 1 864, 31 10, and we also have comments coming in. And people are saying, like one of the rumble comments, and we need to use the Democrats pay a playbook.

No more, we can do it better because we are better than them.

“I think that is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people.”

Let me even myself to go, hey, do you now just play by the rules that are set now with the Supreme Court ruling that does change it even for me a little bit? Because before then you could say, OK, now we're just thinking as low as they are in terms of doing this. What was the Supreme Court rule and said, this can happen?

Look, I understand. I'm a realist in that sense and saying, now it's politics, now it's game on. And hopefully, sure, we'll see better results. And you'll have good representatives across the country. Now, of course, it's focused a little bit more on the south right now.

I do want to take some more calls, because again, coming up after this segment, we have Secretary Mike Pompeo, who will be joining us, we're going to update from Iran. What's going on there? It feels like every week we have him on, we say, we're close to a deal. And then, you know, it gets a little quiet, so we'll discuss that.

And then later on in the broadcast, the second half, I will be joined by Billy Hollowell,

You know, that's always the topic that I'm a little more interested in, the maybe even

our viewers are, but he's also been in the world of politics and commentary for a very long time, so even can talk about how that all plays in on the spiritual side of this political fight. Let's go ahead and take another call. Let's go to, you know, this kind of, it goes a little bit.

Let's go to Ronald, South Carolina, on Ronald, Ronald, go ahead. Yes, thanks for taking my call. This only concern that I may see about this is the fact that it's now become a game of politics just as you have mentioned before, and because of fact, it's become a game of politics and where your chess piece is lie, everybody is just being used as pawns to be shoved

into one district or another, and then comes down to the point to where are they actually working for the people, are they actually doing things for the people, are they just trying

“to do things to get themselves re-elected for the next term?”

Yeah, I mean, that's always a big question.

That's one of the big concerns of politics in general is, honestly, the whole reelection cycle, everything that people have to go through, you know, I've been kind of one of those weird advocates that says, yeah, I kind of wish the president, president, see was a six-year one-term deal where you didn't have to just spend half-year term worrying about reelection. 'Cause we know, after two years, pretty much nothing gets done until that president gets

either re-elected or booted it out, and it's sort of a shame that the machine has to operate that way. Now, do I ever think that this concept will work or will happen? I think it would work. I think it would re-change, it would change the entire landscape of politics, but do I think

that will ever happen? No, I don't, 'cause there's too much money being made in those reelection campaigns. There's too much money at stake to have such a broader, people don't like change. And I understand there's some of that, and you can see that even with some of the redistricting here, there's some people are concerned about it.

But again, if you look back at the history of this, this is now just Republicans, playing a bit the game that they have been pushing against for a while, and embracing it, look,

“I think that you could say that for mail-in voting, that Republicans took a very negative”

anti-mail-in voting stance, not to say that was the wrong stance. But what did it cause? We saw the results of what happened in 2020. Now, you have them at least embracing it a little bit more. You have embracing social media more. As we know, you have someone like Madami who has been able to, I don't care how you

feel about him politically, and of course I disagree with him on almost everything. Not only a gifted speaker, but it's a guy who understands and has a team that really understands how to utilize TikTok, how to utilize Instagram, how to connect with people in different ways. It's no different than that in some ways, which is again, playing the cards that are being dealt. If the Supreme Court says this is what has to get done, then maybe it's

time for us to start playing those games, too. Maybe it's time for Republicans, start playing those games. Maybe it's time for Democrats, start playing those games for Christians to say, this is what we think. There's a lot that can come out of something like this. And you may have a bigger divide in the nation where you will have really, really definitively red states, and you'll have really, really definitively blue states. And that is a bit

of a shame. But look at Republican voters in Tennessee. You still have 30% or so of the votes, 40% of the votes on a presidential campaign. Sometimes more that will vote for the Democrat. It's not like even the most a separated states where you feel like, yeah, that's dominated. If you saw a map of just Republican representation, it would be almost all red. It doesn't

“mean those people don't exist. And how do we, how do we work and live with those people?”

I think that's very easy to do that. I think it's something we should always be crossing

party lines discussing having real conversation to a politician not getting away in the way of everything. But I'm also not blind to the fact that this is what happens when politics starts getting played in a different level. Rules are made and they're going to jump on them. And you may like it. You may not like it. But it is what it is. We do have a comment coming and a call coming in from Robert. And it's going to kind of help set us into the next segment.

So I want to take this going to move our conversation a little bit to Iran. But we'll come back to this and stay on hold of your still and hold Robert go ahead and Maryland. Yeah. So I wanted to ask the question. Do you believe that we're going to go back to combat operations against the nation of Iran at the end of the ceasefire? Yeah, Robert. I'm going to discuss that at length with Mike Pompeo coming up. I think he's a great person who

has been directly involved in the previous administration, the previous Trump administration with Iran. Of course, we know they were not thrilled with him with what happened with sullumani and all of those things that led through that. Look, I think that there is a good chance that a what you'd say a war without saying the word war because they don't like using the word war. Do I think that a combat operation will restart in Iran? I think there's

probably a good chance of that because you're negotiating with people who I don't know are willing to really do the deal that we need to get done. Now, President Trump is also

not giving a full blood support of this war. I would not be surprised if he figures out a way to pivot claim victory and move on even if you don't necessarily agree with it being a victory. So Robert, we're going to break all that down coming up with Mike Pompeo in the next segment.

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really no one better than we can have the secretary of my Pompeo who's joining us right now. Secretary Pompeo feels like that this could be a repeat. This could be a conversation that we have each in every week where it goes. It feels like maybe we're at the end of the road here. Maybe a deal could be had. What does it look like? We know Iran is currently reviewing the latest

proposal. Again, who that is? Who we're talking to? It's still always a little unclear.

The ceasefire is kind of holding right now. Do you feel like there is an effort here to get this across the finish line? I don't know where we're at. I feel like we say this a lot. There's always a post, you have Marco Rubio saying, hey, that operation is over. It is complete. Now we're moving on to another one. Then you have President Trump saying, we're really close to being over, but if not, we're going to bomb them into oblivion. It doesn't always, it reads kind of

like we're talking about two sides of our mouth here at the same time. But where do you feel like we stand right now? One of our collars called in the ass. That said, we feel like combat begins soon. What do you think? As they are reviewing, again, whoever are is the latest potential piece deal? Perfectly, with great precision. Look, there's a great deal of uncertainty.

“I don't think the public knows. I think there's lots of conversations going on. But if you”

made me assess just giving what I'm observing, we still have enormous leverage. That is, we have economic coercion in place and we have military dominance. We have demonstrated that. Second, I mean, it is the case that the Iranians are broken the ceasefire, right? They fired into the United very remorse at Fushara. And there has been very little at least over response to that. I think that emboldens the Iranians, I think they see that. And they recognize President Trump

would prefer not to go back at this. But I would remind everybody who's washing. I wouldn't remind the Iranians. They are the attacks. They're not thinking about it the same way. But I'd remind everyone. President Trump is not likely to settle for something that is short of his stated objectives. Where he's talked about getting all the enriched material out of Iran. He's talked about them putting down their capability and their desire for a weapon system around

that nuclear material. And then he's talked about their ballistic missile program. The threatens

“not only the Middle East and Gulf States, but Europe and the broader West. I think if he can”

get a verifiable agreement that leads to that he'll take it. But I think that's unlikely, which means that it is probably the case that we will still be at this. And you know, I hear people saying that we're going to go back into combat. That's a reasonable question. I would tell you those soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines that are in the neighborhood today, feel like they're in a conflict still. Well, call it a war, call it what you will. But they are prepared to do the

necessary to continue to deter Iran. And then lastly, you got to get the straight open. We have the capacity to do that. I think President Trump began that effort. He's now trying to figure out if he can do it with a negotiated solution. But I'll bet we're going to have to go exercise more power and more force to get the straight reopening real necessity, not only for the United States, but for a global trade more broadly. You bring up a good point and it's a little off topic here.

But as someone who's been associated with this, and obviously has a deep military background, when there is a ceasefire, where they are these moments, it is easy for us to go, okay, war over, go home. What is it like for these servicemen that are there? When is it almost feel like there's more uncertainty with that? Because they're just on hold, what like, they're not to put yourself in their shoes, but just in a way, what does that look like from a military

standpoint? Well, I served during the Cold War. I was never in combat, but I can tell you,

I was patrolling the East Sherman border. It was cold. But when we went out to the beach day, we took it very seriously. We recognized we had a real mission. This is a much hotter space, and every ship that is sailing, every aircraft that is launching, every cyber warrior who is protecting

like that they are a hair trigger edge to be sure that they can stop any attack the Iranians launch. The Iranians have shown their willingness to do this. So I imagine it, it's not that the bullet didn't fly today, perhaps at your ship, or the missile didn't land in your neighborhood. But if you're sailing, there's mines. If you're in the air, there's a risk of a shoulder-fired missile. It feels very much like you're in a conflict, and I am sure that the Department of

Defense is preparing every mission with that in mind. The guards are not down. With that also, there are talks that this piece still would discuss the transferring of Iran's enriched uranium out of the country, possibly even here to the United States. How big of a role will that play? Do you think in getting this deal done again with the current, I guess you would say,

“IRGC that is running Iran? President Trump's made that a prerequisite for peace, right?”

He said, if you don't get rid of the enriched uranium, the highly enriched uranium that is near weapons-grade uranium that you possess, that you ran through your centrifuges, we're going to stay at this. We're going to go back and bomb you again. How can't imagine them giving that up? I hope I'm wrong. I hope they're loading it on their trucks and preparing it for delivery to some place safe and secure that the United States commander, but it seems to me unlikely that

the IRGC, who views the straight of our moves, and that in highly enriched uranium as their sole leverage to continue to maintain power and force inside of their own country, it seems like a very difficult deal to cut while you have that leadership still largely in charge. I'm not even sure if we can picture what that looks like. If I could take a moment away, it's not unlike what I just had ceasefire. It's like we're used terms that Americans are

used to enriched uranium, and I'm like, I know how that's stored, or how you transfer something

“like this. I think that's something we all need to do, maybe a little bit of research on as well,”

because we start to use these terms very flippantly. Roddick, you're loading canisters. It's that you can touch it. This is real stuff. It's not some mystical software. It is real material that has been spun up. And so you would you would transport it into secure convoy, but it's not terribly difficult to actually do that. It's a achievable goal. If it's not buried beneath tons and tons of dirt,

which is what I actually think we now know and believe.

Where it actually exists? Well, I appreciate you joining us today. I always love hearing your

expertise, especially when it comes to Iran. Maybe next week will come on. We'll say there's a deal, or maybe next week I'll go, "We're just as close to a deal. I don't feel like we need to know, and Nazium do this, but it becomes part of the new cycle. President Trump says something, Marker Rubio says something, and we're back to doing it. So I appreciate you coming.

“And it always gives an update. Even if that update is, hey, it could be more of the same,”

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that I'd say is happening throughout the American South, but also, really throughout the country.

“This is a premium court. Had a big ruling. I do want to take a call about this. Let's go to”

John, who's calling in California. John, I want you to have to wait too much longer. Go ahead,

John, you're on the air. Wow. This is a first time call. And I want to thank you and

everybody at the ACLJ for all you do, Logan. Quick question, Logan. I was going to ask if you could just very briefly kind of educate those who are listening this morning. What is the nexus between the voting rights acts? All this redistricting and what the Supreme Court just did. It's just a question I didn't call with a comment, just asking for a little education. No, sure. I'll be honest with you and say that I'm not. The most educated on every detail in this,

but what I will tell you is it's, look, let's just call it what it is. You had a lot of politics being played by states like Texas, even. We'll say that. And by California, the Supreme Court had to rule. And a lot of this is, look, a lot of President Trump's back to candidates are winning.

We're seeing that happen. And they look, the Republicans want to secure the midterms.

“And now there's a new way to help that. Again, that's why the discussion has come. Do you play”

by these rules or not? Do you like these rules or not? Or do you have to understand you're playing by a new playbook? And it is what it is. And essentially says that, you know, they're allowed to redistrict based on partisan politics. They do not have to redistrict, by the way, based on the color of someone's skin in theory. That sounds like the right thing to do. How the map plays out, we're going to say, we're going to see what the fallout is from it as well. I think we have to

stay on top of this. I told you when this started happening in other states. And I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I still don't know how I feel about it. But I do know what the Supreme Court is said. And I do know that sometimes the politics, the game of politics is not going to be played by people who want to play fair. They are going to play it. And they're going to use it to the best they can to win. And maybe a sad reality, but it is a reality. So John, I hope that

“clarifies a little bit. I know that I can get into the weeds too much. But I appreciate it.”

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Welcome back to Second Blood. We are going to take some calls coming up in the next segment. So

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heavy topics in the world of whether it's politics, news, and of course global persecution,

everything that happens for Christians. And I have had a great conversation even this morning with my friend. And been on the show many years ago, but has really made a pretty interesting move. And started, even I would say, with the book you released a few years ago, playing with fire. And I feel like we've had Billy Hollowell's joining us right now. I shouldn't say I should just get to that already. Billy Hollowell, Billy, you know, a lot of people

may remember you did a lot of politics. You talked a lot about the news. What was going on in the world? Now that you don't comment on that still as well. But something clearly shifted in you to where what we're talking about now is much, much deeper. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. And I love that set up because it's so true, right? I mean, I look at the news, I look at politics, but all of these things, you know, especially from

“a Christian perspective, when you look at the Bible, you have to start to ask yourself, what is”

going on? You mentioned persecution. I know that's something you guys cover quite a bit on the show here. We look at the chaos going on with, you know, Charlie Kirk's murder. You've got attempted assassinations. There's so much happening in the world. You start to wonder what is going on beneath the surface, right? And so the Bible talks a lot about this. And so in the past decade, you know, I have wall still looking at news and politics also at simultaneously, been looking at the

spiritual battle that is going on. The good versus evil. And that has really led me to some interesting places you mentioned playing with fire, which is a book I wrote in 2020. But right now, there is a new project. It's called Investigating the Supernatural. It's a series that we're doing at CBN at the Christian Broadcasting Network. And we're really taking an investigative journalist

approach to all of these issues. Our first film was on miracles. Our second one is investigating

the supernatural angels and demons. It just came out. As you said, it is heavy. But we look at claims, modern day claims of angels and demons. And we really, you know, basically ask the question, can these things be proven? Are they real? What is the Bible saying? What is going on in our world

“today? And I would just add, again, I think understanding a lot of what is happening politically,”

socially, culturally requires really looking at things through a spiritual lens. Yeah, absolutely. And look, it's something that we deal with here a lot in this show. It has gone down that road a few times. And look, I understand it can be uncomfortable for some of you watching right now to feel that way. But as we were even talking this morning, Billy, when there's so many issues that come up. And we can see it. You can honestly see it in people's eyes when you're discussing

it with them. That there is something much heavier. And I've seen you discuss that even with some of the controversy that has even come out of the right or are in the podcast right, what you'll recently. And we've seen that it has gotten to the point where there is clearly something deeper happening here. And I think it's very interesting that you're new special, these series for CBN. It's coming out right now. In a time when, really, we needed the most,

I do think, you know, we, the people fair warning. Like I said, it's heavy. It's not like you're coming at this from a light approach. And in the next segment, after you're done, I want to make sure that we play the full trailer. So people understand what they're getting themselves into, because like I said, it's, I think it's very much needed right now. But it's not something to step into lightly. Because when you start opening up these doors, you start to really see what's

going on. 100% and you know, even while we were making this, you know, spending time really praying every day about this project. Because everything you just described, again, if you don't have an Ephesian six lens, what does Ephesian six tell us? It's so interesting. I've read Ephesian

six a million times. And it really wasn't until the last year that I have thought about this.

And I thought, okay, the apostle Paul is telling us, we live in a spiritual battle, right?

“We assume it's us versus them. It's a flesh battle. That's how we live as human. So it's”

you know, this group versus that group. And don't get me wrong. There is plenty of time and appropriate times even to argue and to debate and to do all these things. You know, politically, that's great. We have to do that. We have to talk about these things. But there is something deeper going on and what Paul says is that there is a battle between good and evil, a spiritual battle that pours over into our world. And it's one of the reasons why when you watch somebody like Charlie

Kirk at assassinated, even atheists will say that was evil. You know, there's this sense that something truly evil is happening. That doesn't mean that every single event is sparked by angels and demons. But it means that there is a spiritual battle impacting our world. And I would argue that we cannot understand anything that is happening in our own lives or in our political or cultural or social lives without understanding that lens and that dynamic. And so once you

shift and start to look at things through that lens, it helps you make a little bit more sense of what is happening. And you can say more focused on how you solve the problem, which I know is a big thing here on this show that you're trying to inspire people to do. Of course, and look, I want to make sure people know, so we're talking about, I'd love to hear from you, Billy, just how this sort of road began for you and really what was that spurring to start diving in

to investigating really the truth and what's happening in this sort of spiritual realm. Because when

cartoonify that or make that, you know, see, yeah, we all have good and bad at us. But that's not what

this is talking about. We're talking about the reality of biblically what is happening and what how it affects our world. And that is like you said, going through these real accounts from people of their dealings with supernatural. Yeah, absolutely. And I will tell you, I'm actually pretty, I'm a Christian. I've been a Christian male. I'm pretty skeptical. And I'm a journalist. So when I'm going into these stories and the film only tells three to four very in-depth stories,

“I'm thinking, can I really believe this is this true? So I'm thinking the same thing”

a lot of other people are, right? You go into those stories and we present not just the stories with the interview subjects, we travel the country, we have medical documentation, we have experts, we talk to psychologists, psychiatrists. This is not something, you know, that is a trying to

spook people and b something that's just flippantly put together. We spent a lot of time making sure

that we had cases that were pretty ironclad that there were no other explanations for what was happening. But to answer your question about the journey, I did not want to cover these things. I've been a Christian my whole life when I was offered a book contract before 2020. This is before playing with fire. To talk about from a Christian perspective, as a journalist, what do Christians believe about evil? I fled. I was afraid. I wanted nothing to do with it. And I actually said, no, I did

not pray about it. I was like, I'm not doing this. I'm not interested. And God literally brought another publisher a couple of years later back to say, no, we want you to do this book. I did not fill out a proposal. I mean, anybody who's written a book, they know you got to fill out a proposal. You got to go through this horrible process. Yeah, a whole thing. I did none of that. I mean, God dropped this opportunity on my lap and I prayed about it. And I had to make a decision because

I thought if I'm going to go into covering evil and looking at what the Bible says about it, I need to make sure I am protected. My family's protected. So I did what I should have been doing the whole time. I did what Ephesians 6 tells us, I started reading my Bible every day. I started praying every day. Doing the things I hadn't been doing up until that point. And it really shifted everything. And I started coming to this place of peace with this subject matter. And I'll tell

you, that was the beginning. And then I thought, well, maybe I maybe that was it. Maybe God wanted me to do that. And I'm going to move on from that. But when I got to Christian broadcasting network and came back to the organization, it immediately became clear that investigating the supernatural was going to be a series. We were going to work on. We thought it would be a TV series. When we started filming, we realized these stories needed to be told in a movie format. And so God has just

been so amazing. And I'll tell you this. My entire perspective on faith has shifted and been transformed

by looking at miracles, angels and demons. Our next film next year will be investigating the supernatural heaven and hell. It'll be looking at near-death experiences. It has reshifted everything for me in such a profound way. Truly. And I'm thankful for that. But also now, I want other people to experience that and to be looking at things through those lenses. And they get to open the door a little bit differently because you've presented them with this opportunity to see it. Like you

said, I'm glad you walked in with that. Because look, even some of the topics we deal with here, I'm very keenly aware. Somebody has worked on this my whole life. That we are dealing with topics that are often not only very heavy, but are very, very dark. And if you walk around our office in our studio, it's very light. There's a lot of color, my wife helped design it. It's almost seems like a play land. Because I know mentally what can happen if you focus on this so much for

your work. It's very hard to not take it home with you. It's very hard to not deal with the serious nature that's going on. And I know that people at CBN and what you're doing, you're doing it the right way. So I didn't want to give you opportunity. We got like two minutes left in the segment to just tell people how they can see it. Let's get people to watch this. Because I think

“it is another door. If you're only used to hearing us talk politics and news and maybe that's why”

you come here every day and understand that. But there is another door that you need to be here and you need to open up that door to see what's going on in a much deeper way. And your new specialist something that people can see let them know how to see it. So you can go to CBN.com/supernatural. You can watch it. It's a donation of any amount. You can watch the film there. If you're still in the DVDs, you can get a DVD of it. But again, it's CBN.com/supernatural. Again,

we tell both angel and demon stories. Things that really will blow your mind. And I would love to hear from people. If you watch this film and you think there's another explanation or you have a story. You've gone through something. Go to my website, BillyHullwell.com. I read every message, share your story. We want to hear them. I mean, this is there is nothing more important than understanding what is happening spiritually around us. And it really will inform you when you're

watching this show to understand better these stories that you guys so wonderfully tell here on this program. We'll make sure we link everything and Billy telling everyone that you read every

“comment and email that comes through. I think that is opening up a spiritual door. I'm not sure”

I'm prepared to do. So you know what that? Tell in the internet to send you things that know that you're going to read it. Like, that's something he's willing to do. Having adventure more than

play the trailer. So we're going to play the trailer. We get back Billy. Thank you so much for joining us.

Hope to see you next time you're in town. We'll have even more coming up with Billy. If you join it, let me know in the comments. And again, phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Very few. We'll take a couple. Coming up here in the next segment. Thanks Billy for joining us. Once again, we'll link everything to make sure people can check out specials in CBN as with Billy.

“And it's really great. You need to check it out. We'll be right back.”

Welcome back to Secula. I would do want to take some calls. So you can call in right now. We'll try to get to some more 1-800-684-3110. I am going to play that trailer for Billy's new film. You can get through CBN. I'll make sure to promo that correctly. So you go to the right link to see it. But I want you to see what you're going to get yourself into. It's pretty intense. Fair warning for watching with kids. Maybe something when I start this trailer, you may go,

maybe you want to wait. Just because it is pretty dark. Just fair warning. I'm telling you now. We're not going to start that though. We're going to start with a call. Let's go to Anne. Talking about Iran and in Pennsylvania watching a Facebook and go ahead. Hey guys. Wow. You guys are awesome as usual. So Pompeo really hits the nail on the head. And before he got on, I was thinking, I was just going to shed a little bit of positive light

as to what's going on in Iran. So, you know, as Pompeo stated, his objective goals trump will never

waver. And at the same time, it's going to do the best to fulfill these goals. But we are dealing with and this is my strong opinion, a psychotic regime. Trump also has the intel that we most likely have not seen yet and is strictly privy to the commander in chief. And for whatever moment in time. So right now, we're not privy to everything that's going on. So although it seems like he's talking at a bull size of his head, he's really not. He's actually dealing with a psychotic regime.

And by the way, too, and I've said this before on ACLJ, wonderful best ACLJ ever in the world without you guys, we wouldn't even be able to express our opinions on your show, okay? So this should have been dealt with 47 years ago. This should have been dealt with all the years in between. But, you know, this is God's timeline. And this previous guess that you just had on, with the Christian guest was so touching and so moving and it actually does say a lot that we are in a spiritual

battle. There are a series of components to being in Iran. Yeah. There are spiritual.

“100%. And you set that up perfectly, because I want to play the trailer, because I think,”

though, this is more of a personal one-on-one. I do want you to understand that I agree with that we are dealing with very, it's, it's, why is it difficult to deal with some of these regimes? Because you are dealing with something far beyond what we're capable of thinking of in terms of rational human beings. We are talking about some really, really dark, dark forces at play. That being said, I'm going to take some more calls when we get back from this trailer. I want you

to see it. But I do want to give a heads up, because I have seen the trailer myself. It is very heavy. It is pretty dark, but it gives you a very interesting insight of what's happening. And hopefully I encourage you to watch it, Billy's a friend of the show. And he's somebody who's been producing some great content for decades. And again, over the last decade himself has come to a very different perspective in terms of darkness. So let's take a look at this new special.

“When you sat out at the foot of the bed, was this eight foot luminous angel?”

Of course, I mind shaking. But that's when it began to realize there's a connection between demons. Don't we see any UFO phenomena? And on the last beat of my heart, my spirit left my body. Is there a spiritual war going on around us? Are angels in demons real? That's investigate. In all ancient cultures, people believe in a spiritual wrong. And I was struck that all throughout history, the vast majority of cultures,

not only believed in evil spirits, but believed in possessions. And every major religion believes in angels. For most of the world, the question isn't

is there a spiritual world? The question is which spirit is the most powerful?

But to say you believe in angels' demons is oftentimes to expose you to ridicule. Like, you sound like somebody from the middle ages. Many scientists just write it all off saying, "This is just people's imaginations, they're hallucinating, they're having dreams. None of this is real." I kept hearing, it was in a matter of minutes, a bomb went off.

Well, of a sudden, we hear this cut-a-roll sounding voice "Come out over in the back, and mum who's gentle, great example." And the one from the driver side reached over and put his hands right in the middle of a flat spot, and the one from the passenger side did the same thing. My heart started,

That is a special look at investigating the supernatural angels in demons. You can order it now.

You can either stream it for a donation of any kind of belief to CBN at CBN.com. Just go, too. I'm going to make sure that I don't know the right. CBN.com/supernatural. L.E.G. right there and get a DVD. Again, this is just us supporting Billy. It's not a donation to us. This is CBN, obviously, the long time friends and partners here at the ACLJ. But again, this is something it's own. So you can take that look. We need a DVD. You can

as well. Billy's doing some really interesting things. And again, doing with some really dark subject

matter. But I appreciate that he is willing to do it. With that being said, we've got a couple more calls and a couple more minutes. I'm going to try to get to some of them. Let's go to Allen. You've been a whole the longest. Allen's watch on Salem News Channel in Oregon. Line three here on the air. I'll hold on Allen. Now you're on the air. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I just am every Schmuck out here. I don't have any specific knowledge that anybody else doesn't have. But I have some beliefs. Donald Trump

is a winner. And he has made stated goals of dealing with Iran, of getting rid of nuclear getting rid of missiles etc. That's all fine and good. But he's a winner. And he wants not just regime change. regime change indicates that you've got one set of bad guys and you're willing

“to exchange it for another set of bad guys. I don't think that's what he wants. What he wants”

is 70 million good Iranians free. The only way that's going to happen if they get weapons.

You talked before about the political stuff going on here in the United States and saying, well, we ideologically don't we don't want to play the same. We don't want to go low like the Democrats are going with redistricting. Well, now we're doing that. Well, Donald Trump is doing the same thing. He's playing a game with with the bad guys. They think they're stalling him like they have been stalling America for and other presidents for 47 years. He is playing a game where

he's stalling them. He's already done that. But I think what he's trying to do is that

“our door yet weapons into the good people in a race. We'll see you out and look, I think that's”

a point of view. That's an option. I think regime change has shifted what that terminology means. Jim President Trump is already saying we have a regime change. So who knows? Maybe you're right. And then maybe we'll see a full regime change there in Iran if the people can have a full uprising. We haven't seen it yet. But you know what, prayerfully, they will. Thanks for calling Alan. We got minute and a half. And we have time to take just one more call. I'm going to go to Anthony

California. Dan, give me a call back tomorrow and I'll do my best to get to you. Anthony, you got about a minute. Okay. Thank you for getting me on regarding your redistricting. There's some foundational law that applies. And it's anentiated in the federalist papers and the most particular ones that address that problem today's current problem. They need people need to read the federalist papers 10, 52, 53, 54, and 57. And the most relevant of those that addresses today's

problem is 50, not 53, 54. And Madison went on to say that back then they called him factions. Today we call him Republicans and Democrats. So he was most afraid that the factions would

“entrenched themselves. And this redistricting is that fear that Madison had. And I think”

you can gain some insights in reading those federalist papers. All right. Anthony, I'm only cutting the off because we have eight seconds left. I appreciate you giving us some homework. We'll do our best at which we go on read aclj.org. Talk to you tomorrow.