Spittin' Chiclets Episode 629: Featuring Mark Howe

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Oh, is that Oshi? That's my mom's dog Koset, this could be an issue, but I apologize everyone. Koset made last dog issue was not good and Big Dan was there, so this dog, though. No, she gave me a bully stick to give her if she starts barking Koset. I'm talking, you can't be young, I'm sorry guys.

We're going to bother by that name, then the bark in the be honest, Koset, that's such a bizarre name for a dog. No, I was like, what is Koset? Better be like the street she grew up on. You're some punk with me. Koset, Koset, Koset, Koset, Koset, Koset boys, I'm way, I'm way, this is not your ideal.

I'm like, you're back in the motor, I'm not, well speaking of mine is three, those teeth right now, you're mine is three teeth because Koset has better teeth. Four, four teeth. Koset's are better than yours.

I mean, that middle one that is just a little baby dolphin tooth is sore, and then that little one, oh my God, you look like just a straight up homeless man. Correct.

And let's quickly mention Pink Whitney and we'll get into this amazing game.

Keith and I got to be a part of on Sunday night. Pinkies up boys, Pinkies up, there's Pink Whitney ever, I'm in Florida. I've been here since Thursday night. Benny's on the West Coast, now I'm on the East Coast.

“Last night, Pink Whitney was representing at Lone, Deepo Stadium, I believe it was, where the”

Marlins play, that was host of the United States of America versus the Munich. I saw Marlins man's crushing a few Pink Whitney's. Yeah, yeah, so one guy came up to me and even the Munich in Guy 2, which was 80% Dominican fans and just ripped up the little pink. I said, oh, you follow.

But Chicago's Pink Whitney man, Pink Whitney love hockey, love Pink Whitney. I said, holy shit, Pinkies up, and I taught him. He didn't know Pinkies up yet. It doesn't listen to the pod. I guess I mean, he might just say he does, but he doesn't listen because he doesn't know Pinkies up.

So shout out Pink Whitney. Shout out everyone who loves drinking and shout out business teeth. They just do that bad, that only a Pink Whitney could make him feel better right now. I should make new ones out of little pink Whitney nips. And just like, maybe even like the caps, the little caps on each of the two.

So what happened is, okay, so like, here's my bridge. So like, what happened is like, obviously from from getting my fucking face, came again, because I didn't listen enough to dance. Long the Azan's told you last podcast, and I'd get my shit pushed in. And they had to eventually file a few of them down in order to make this bridge.

And you could on the one side, which ones did they file? What? Which ones did they file down? Here are fucking idiot. Why didn't you just get the veneers?

“Because because you have to like get the like the drill metal implants.”

Yeah. And it takes a little bit of time.

So I'm going to be the one who is so good guys.

You like the list? Oh my god, why it's just hearing you say, he's like, who else has the best? I got bitch. I sound like I'm on stream guard for my phone again. When all the fans beat your boat my life.

Yeah, no, and that glue was just coming loose and cheering up after the broadcast last night. I was like playing around with that and boop fell out. So I'm on the IR with no jibs for hopefully only a few days to like get back. And somebody can glue these bad boys back in. But kind of smells like, yeah, smells it.

Oh, oh, man. Yeah, dude, if you smell what's been glued into the top of your gums. I'm just guessing that's just smells like Houston's. Just a Houston sausage. Hey, let me turn my air conditioning off.

Give me two seconds. You guys can keep chatting. Okay, yeah, we'll keep chatting away. We'll keep chatting away.

“Hey, do you have to go on TV again with those teeth like that?”

I don't know. I just go the whole playoff. Yeah. No, no jibs. That would be eight.

He's like, Jack uses gotten so much attention for the no teeth. I'm doing it now. Yeah, man. I'm sick of tired. There's like thought tape a cray was a secret agent.

But I'm going to rip my teeth out. Maybe I could take it. That's the update my riot profile. Like I can't be cat-titioned people. Right?

You got to be truly who you are and present yourself as they're going to meet you. And public, so yeah, for all the ladies out there. Yeah, but there we go. You could just solely go body picks. Go see one east coast lead game and that's what you come back as.

Yeah, okay. Oh, man. That was honestly, but in a video you sent to describe the video. I mean, it was so good. Oh, okay.

Okay, okay. Poor Doyle. I love this guy.

“All right, so I after the game, I took all the boys out to eat.”

They had a three and three by the way. Against 20, they lost. They lost 6-3 game one Saturday. They lost 6 nothing on Star Wars. And I don't know how, well, how did you look up how they did Sunday.

So they're playing a three and a two and a half. If they gave up six again, boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, again, it's on the weekend. You're there.

But I would go to war for these guys. Okay. And Bernie, the coach, like legit, legit if somebody would have ran one of them. And it would have got chippy. I would have dressed.

I would have thrown a gear on. I might even fucking just come back next year and play in the coast. Just do the podcast, no TNT and ride the bus and play in the coast. Okay. No offense because I love everybody at TNT, but I got the edge to go again after grab and

dinner post. And lose a teeth. So, so we go, we went there. The reason I went back to partly is because the first time we went there, we did the sandbagger with page in the afternoon.

You guys were obviously buckled. I was high on gummies.

“And we got to the game right around, pucked, dropped, watched it.”

And then we had to get out of there because we had other shit that we had to do.

So we never really got to go down and meet the team, meet the coach.

So I wanted to go back on our behalf and say hi to the boys and it just so worked out we could do the silly birthday things so I could meet the season ticket holders. And boys, I'm going to tell you, they weren't dead last in the entire league, the Garney oil. So, start.

Listen. Hey, don't laugh. Well, it's funny because it's just a buddy. We are just. Oh, man.

But hey, we're not going to be fucking last next year because we're going to bring in a few ringers. And they won. They won Sunday. Sorry.

Four to one. Okay. Fuck it. Right. Four to one.

That's a buck made up. Of course. When you left, they got a W. I did leave. But so I got to meet all the season ticket holders and give them birthday cake and just thank them for being the season ticket holders.

Buddy, every single person like reinforced and was like, thank you guys so much for bringing hockey back to Greensboro. Like, they are regardless of being in last place in the league. And even after the game when I met with the boys, like they talked about the support, they've been feeling from the fans.

They were down. They got, they got lit up one game a few weeks ago at home. They were down for nothing in the first period. Well, fucking normally, you play for the leaves. You're getting jerseys on the ice.

You're getting booed going off the ice. Like, people are. Wake up, fuck. These fans are on their feet, cheering the boys on, like encouraging them. Hey, don't worry about it.

You know, let's come out firing in the second period. Like, even the players are like, man, it's like crazy.

I've never seen anything like it.

They're just so happy to have hockey back. And they're so supportive and it's such a good southern hospitality. I was like blown away by not only just hearing that, but also getting to shake their hands and just seeing how excited they are. Like, obviously, you're one.

You have a little bit of grace and leeway. But they were just so appreciative of them getting hockey back. And rally is about an hour and a half away. So now they don't have to drive as far and maybe spend as much all the time if they want to get their hockey thick.

So just to be there and see everybody and then, of course, to meet the team and birdy to head coach, man, just an unbelievable guy and, and tell people who don't know what

So he played for a while.

“I think he's a legend in, in, in Idaho, this steel head.”

Idaho steel had I actually played a game there. We had an all-star game there one year where when I was playing with wheeling, we didn't normally go out west. Like, we didn't travel because, you know, obviously, cut costs and stuff like that. But he's like, you go to certain bars there.

He's got his jersey up, like, people love them. He's like, he played with Lance Galbrith. He played with, you know, Blonsky. He, remember when you're Blonsky signed with them in the coast and he fought UFC, they brought like some like, it wasn't UFC, but it was like a lower level UFC, but it was an octagon.

So Jeremy of Blonsky was playing in the coast and then fought in a sanctioned event.

And he came out with, like, his jersey and he was one of his ring guys in between the first

period. It was, it was the end of the show, but he fucking put an octagon in the middle and just went out of it, but he's a legend and he had brain cancer and he survived it and now, and they actually had cancer, the cancer night there on Saturday and like, they, like, a big standing old.

They brought down all the fans who had been through cancer and survived as well. And he got the shake all their hands, so that was a pretty cool thing, although they got slaughtered, six nothing, way to go boys. But just like, unbelievable guy and like a throwback and a guy that we're going to then should get on the podcast and interview, we were supposed to early on, but the type of guy

like I said, I met him and I'm like, fucking give me a pair of skates and give me some equipment. I want to run through a wall for this guy. So just a great overall, we can, ah, fuck, I'm drawing a blank, if G, if you could pull it up, the radio announcer is an actual, he's electric on Instagram.

But the way they do everything, too, they don't just do the radio. They do the travel. They do the meals and things. AC did so. AC did so.

AC did so. This guy brought a like, NHL job someday you're saying, the suit stall, he wears the crazy suits. Yeah, too. He's unbelievable.

Yeah, it was business birthday. Technical arrang codes. Celebration. But he's he's doing the radio and then like, next, I was like, we're going to throw it now. We're going to throw it down on the colon course for a hit and it gets him down there.

He's, he's like spitting down and then he's like sweat and his dick off. But he's like selling hot dogs as he's selling hot dogs, buddy, they go to an in period hit. Or no, sorry. It was in between periods.

He's already pretty skates. No, but they had a pie eating contest and he fucking won the pie eating contest. It was him and for just, they had to put him in there just so they didn't have to give the jerk free jersey away. So he knew he'd win it.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's in there. He's got the pink plays around with the pink tie and he's mucking the pie and then like

he has to go back up with pile on his face and call the rest of the game by his sky. They should put him in the hockey hall fame for that performance. You put on the other night. So all in Greensboro gives up another one and he's just like wiping apple pie off. Chin.

Oh, wow, we're going to, hey, what are we going to, I'm going to go bill fully stop.

We're going to win the East Coast Championship in the first five years of existence.

All right. I don't care if I got to put Jan's whole salary on, on bringing in some, Jan's, you and Brian are going to be playing the point next year. Perfect. Yeah.

“Actually, you're, was it your nephew who ended up getting called up to the USHL?”

Yeah, yes. So his, my nephew Colin, his high school season ended, which must be a new thing with, like, you're able to leave after if you drafted by USHL team, you can go out and play. So he, uh, he went out to Madison, Wisconsin, that Bob Shooter arena great old barn biz,

like I watched the games on TV. You would have loved this barn, but they're getting a new Rick next year, which is supposed to be unreal. Tom Gilbert's an assistant coach. Oh, great.

Great job. And then you call him to be learning for him. He played him at the gym with you. I mean, I played Tom Gilbert and I'm so, like, he was nasty. Yeah.

He was nasty player. And like, I think that was, I mean, that was 2010, 11ish. He was kind of unreal analytically. I, I'm pretty sure, like, before it was a thing, he was like, one of those guys under the hood guy early on.

Like, if he got the pocket was getting out of his own zone and never really got the

respect he deserved. I mean, he was on some bad, others teams, but he, that's the perfect guy for Colin, though, like, get coach. I don't know if Colin will be there next year, or if he's going to go back to clushing, but I watch the second game, yeah, the ring sick, two good stands on each side and then

behind one of the nets. It's awesome. It's like two different layers are two different, you know, balcony and then some normal seats, then behind the net. There's nothing else.

“So, I think nowadays, USA, you're looking for bigger and better next year.”

They'll go to another one. But yeah, I was excited for him. And I'll tell you, man, what the US, the US national team was playing them both nights,

Like, you just, you kind of forget how good these 6, 17, called 16, 16, 17, 18 year olds are. It was, it was good, how do you do? He did great.

“The first game, I think he was obviously a little nervous, but played simple, made good”

plays, but just wasn't like jumping up in the play as much as probably he would be in his normal thing like changing, you know, just being a good team in the second game, he ended up getting thrown out of the game for getting into a little tussle with the guys. And he said, all the boys were loving it because he's like a 16 year old kid. But yeah, Matt Collins kid was on, I thought he was the best player on the ice.

Number seven for the NETP team. He was unbelievable. So he, I think he's going to be a first round pick, but the other son, he might have three boys, if not four, his next son, Joey, is like the next US superstar, I believe he's a 2010, and I've already heard and seen some clips, like I think that the next

Joe, like this Collins unreal, I don't know, is this name Wyatt? Not exactly showed. She looked it up quick. The one at the national team that's the draft eligible this year. But he needs got a son, Joey, who is looking like a complete superstar.

I don't know if he'll be on the US 17 team next year, but yeah, I was excited for it, is his name. Yeah. So, Wyatt, Colin. Wyatt, Colin.

“So, I, I drew a blank here, boys, I forgot to tell the Doyle story.”

Yeah. Man, I was, I was crying so, it was a comment after I got, I got sidetracked there because I, I fucking, the, the radio guy eating the pie, man. You had your cock ring on from your birthday party while doing the pie eating contest. I'm, I'm investing money and show it up to Doyle the mascot though, that guy works as

absolute nuts off and just like he was so good, it was great to celebrate my birthday with him. So, we go there that first game and we show up and we're obviously aware that Doyle is the mascot.

They had all the stuff, the animals, they sold out of those incredible marketing.

The mascot looks unreal. So, Yans is like, wait a minute, they got a player on the team last name Doyle too, pretty good player. He's actually called up to the American League this year. I forget where he went to university, so obviously we were having a good time following

this Doyle guy. Well, I, so this Doyle kid was still on the team. So, I, I, I, I, I, I'm like, oh fuck, I got to send a video with Doyle to the boys to let them know this guy is still on the team, and I start recording, and I was following send this to the group chat, and then after the game, I just had to tell him when we were

having food and the boys had it. He took the piss grade, he had a good chocolate, I said, hey, I'm telling this on the body, he's like, yeah, go ahead, so. But the best part was that Murl said after, and I didn't even think of it, he's like, wait, because he, you know, he's out there for the goal gets, they didn't change, Murl says,

like, they don't even change after a goal against the goes, which you don't see often at pro hockey, you get scored on, like, change you want to get off.

By the way, this is even more incredible.

I just looked him up, Massachusetts kid played a year at BU, then went to Northeastern, from Lindfield, Massachusetts, show no parade in Doyle, who's just, yeah, obviously, but he played the age, I was here for Chicago, but when, when, where there, when bases in the field, they just, things don't go great for me. With the first 10 minutes of the game, he was dashed to, he had a lot of finishing

dashed to, but I was just like, oh, but a classic Massachusetts guy can give it or could probably also take it, right? Yeah. We're talking about it now, so, well, you, the automatic contract for next year. Yeah.

Yes, I signed a month. Caroline is going to give him a one-way NHL deal, but he did play in a group. It's for all. They got, they got this, like, six, eight Russian goalie, two, it's got, it's got, it's got straight, straight out of the body when they're there.

“We looked him up, and he's a second rounder, I think.”

He's not, he's really, he's a Russian plan, and fifth rounder, fifth rounder, I got to, I got to get his, I got to get this kid's name, his names were Ruslan, Kazhev, six, four, two, one, he's from Chalays, Chalays, Chalays, Binsk, Chalays, Binsk, Chalays, Binsk, right? Is that your fit? Yeah.

Okay, okay, so, I mean, eight, Carolina, you know, Brandon Bussey's had this incredible

year, but, like, don't sleep on the fact that a six foot, four, fifth round goalie, who's, work, a lot of goalies worked their way up. No, he's not going anywhere. He's on the worst team in the league, where we just, we're not, we're not letting him get called out.

Sorry, we're blocking that one, we got some sayers to what goes on, we got Doyle on a one-way next year, playing in the coast, and then this is a goalie is going to be a lifeer. He's got, he's got a point eight goals against, and a nine, eighty-safe percentage. Yeah.

It's a big and foreign for the NHL son. We're actually, we're not talking about NHL hockey anymore, we're strictly a coast

Okay, okay. I was actually telling, I was on the contract's podcast, and I, and I go, what's the, what's the craziest barn you played into the minors, and I've, I've talked about before Toledo. Yeah.

Toledo had a building, it might have been like the second building ever built in hockey.

This place was an absolute dump. You had no separation from the fans when you were on the bench. You literally had to walk up the stairs onto the concourse, the getting your locker room, which was a shoe box. It was like a closet in the concourse, the glass was like three feet high.

So if you came around the net and you tried to put one off the glass, there was a fan who had teeth like me.

“They're whole, their whole fan section, I think, and teeth like you before the game.”

Oh yeah. And they had a hackler fan who would bring a megaphone and he would stand up, and the megaphone would literally be right in your ear as you're taking face off to the neutral zone. And this guy would be heckling the shit out of me at the whole game. To the point where we would have verbal arts altercations where Glenn Patrick would be like,

this is enough, like this is crazy. Like the insults that we're going back and forth, it was, it was out of this world. So the East Coast, the cheese toast league is the best. And that was the building that had, I, I said the second building I've recreated, legit. I think the Zamboni they had, it had like the, you know, when they have like a, like

a little, um, when you make something and it has like a, like a, like a code on it, it was like a second. Is signature from making it? Yeah, and I don't even think it was called the Zamboni. It was like the, like the, the ice cleaners before they even created Zamboni's. It was like one of the first ones ever made.

And I would say of the eight times I played in Toledo, the Zamboni broke down about three times where all the blue liquid would just spill out where we'd have to, we'd get the laid, we'd have to wait and then they'd try to like clean, so then they'd have like a pile on like a pile on the middle of the ice basically while we were playing the rest of the game. So the Toledo sports arena was built in 1947. And I was playing there in, in, in old, I was

probably there and like 0607. Did they still, did they still have a team? Oh, yeah, they moved

“into a brand new building and they sell it out like every game. One of them, I think they”

have the best attendance in the coast year over year and they're always competitive. It's a

juggerna, they're one of the, one of the most profitable teams in the coast. So speaking of incredible fan bases, and we'll get into hockey and, and one of the lowest moments for the Toronto Maple Leafs since, you know, I don't know, since this podcast began, but we got to experience Keith and I last night, a top five sporting event of my life. Wow, it was one for me buddy. What is, yeah, you think of US Canada at the Bell Center last year?

This was right there. And it was the Dominican Republic, first team USA semi finals world baseball classic in Miami 80% if not 90% Dominican fans. And these people are so passionate, so insane. It's all they got his baseball. I looked it up 11 million people in Dominican. Their lineup is, their lineup was incredible superstar after superstar. These people wanted it. And they were the nicest fans. Buddy, they, Keith and I were in the belly of the beast

“to the viewers. We were in the middle of this rioters looking around like he was intimidated,”

but they were all like I was asking guys questions. They're filling me in on where guys are from in Dominican, like their paths to getting there after the game. Look us in a great

game, amazing game, shaking our hands. But dude, they were so loud. We were going up the escalators.

We walked in all of a sudden. What is that? And it's just drummed boom. Boom. They got the horns. They got the whisk. Kind of like they do in Japan, too, right? Japan, they're very loud and animated, as well. This was, this was in the same building that they had the winter classes. Yes. Yeah. Buddy, it was the difference in atmosphere from that game to this. It was a different galaxy. From before the game even started this. Like the game hadn't even started,

we take the escalator up. All your hair is drumming, whistling, dancing, guys running around, girls running around, dancing. It was legit. It's like from the second you walked into the, into the field. I'll play. I have a video just like kind of quickly. This was, this was an hour before the first pitch. What percentage was there? The minute. Oh, wow. That's in the concourse. That's in the concourse. And there was like a little six different groups of 40 to 50 guys with all their instruments and horns.

And it was, and Buddy, the game, the game itself. I'm sure it was awesome. To make a Republican a home run off skins, they're up one nothing. Then I wanted to get why it's something because he couldn't come with us, right? Dude, we walked. Tell me, explain this to me. There's four

I was like, what is going in that walk? Because everyone's like the other one over there,

“behind left field has that I'm like, okay, get up. Not behind right field has it. None of them.”

Four innings. I missed, I missed both home runs. I'm just in the throw out from judge.

And judge, Aaron judge Gundig, I owed it third. Now I was seeing this on TV, but then like Ryder's

upset, we can't get why it's something he's being a great brother. What a great brother he is. Yeah, he's a man. He was all he's like, I want to get why it's something. And we couldn't, we we ended up, I bought like a small like a dope jersey that why it's running around. It's down to his toes. But the game, yeah. And then like at the end of the game, apparently the strikeout Mason Miller had, it was a little bit low, a lot of responses. A little bit sweet. It was a ball. A little low ball.

I was at a soft and red training game, the plate. Red Sox Spring training game earlier in the week. And I got to witness the first, now they cannot challenge balls and strikes. And it's pretty cool because the battle backup challenge, I think you only get two or three of them a game. If, if it's successful, the challenge, you don't lose it though. So you could have 20 a game if they're all correct. Right. Okay, buddy. Four seconds. Boom. Perfect. So the answers come quickly. There's not

of the lay. It's another great addition along with the pitch clock we've talked about. But you can't

“do that in the world baseball class. They don't have it. And that's what people get such bullshit because”

it would that would have been ball four, which I think would have loaded the bases. What I would have been first and third would have been first and third. There was a guy in third tying run it. I saw, I saw a graphic of of the guys they left stranded in the second for all, buddy. That's right. When Witt got back because my nephew, I took my three nephews and we go up to one and I'm like, Whitt's missing everything. Like, what is going on? He comes back. They load the bases in my

nephews. Look at me. They're like, you got to be the one to tell Witt. He's got to go back to the Jersey store. And I already in my head. I'm like, oh, I'm getting booted out here. Like, by the Americans around us, like, if this, if they score around here, we got out of the jam. And then Garrett Whitler comes in. He's a red sauce pitcher strikes out the side in the eighth. That was sick. Then Mason Miller, who's the pitcher of closing for the Podreys. He, he, he's faced 15

batters in the world, baseball class. He struck out 10 of them. No, granted the 10th one. Maybe

was it was ball four, but incredible atmosphere. Something really cool. Keith's idea. And we drove

over from Naples in a torrential downpour. The kids are screaming, I was shot up. Be quiet. I couldn't even see him front of me. My mom's in the car was jam. Who's it disaster? Everyone at the quiet. I'm trying to focus. I've my sunglasses on and a pouring roll down on the bat. As I'm texting, you're trying

“to get tickets and shit. You must have wanted to kill me. Oh, I was just losing it, but incredible”

night, incredible night. And, and the final should be great. I think Venezuela plays team Italy, which is all guys from New Jersey tonight. And then the boy was fresh, so shot thing is great. That's so funny. When the Italians hit a home run, although they're all Americans, is it, is it like 80% Americans for team Italy or something? Oh, yeah. I'd say probably even more. Real quick, guys, on the robot arms, I was talking to an MLB player who said that, uh,

they think that this season because of those the robot strikes owner, whatever. It's going to be an all-time historic home run season. Like, bet the over is basically on every guy because the way that arms are going to call it this year, it's going to be like out of this world. Like, guys are going to have historic seasons. What if, for what reason though, like, just because they're going to get more opportunities at the plate because they'll call the bullshit balls back? Yeah,

basically like those pictures aren't going to get those calls that were like borderline on the strike. So now, and they think that guys are going to be using this all the time. Like, no question

about it, they're going to fuck in. Well, here's what's interesting is, is the picture and the

batter are the only two who can challenge. So it can't be the manager, but you only get two or three game, whatever it is. So I was saying on my dad at the spring training, I'm like, oh, if you call for a challenge and you're in correct, like, you're catching heat when you get back to the bench because you just lost one. And it was your decision. Those guys, I knew it though as soon as they called that he was fucking losing it. Yeah, he was losing it. Like, he gave it. Like, what are you talking

about? Yeah. And I don't think the umps are thrilled about it because it's going to make them look a little ridiculous. Because so I would not think that. I would just think it shows you again the call wrong though. Yeah, but you're going pure on instincts where it's like, okay, call like perfect use it. Okay, I was wrong. Greg, what do you, you got to make a decision like split second, right? So yeah, I know, but I do know that the more challenges against you that are where you were in correct,

that affects your ability to get like all the game one better. We're in the big. Okay. Okay. All right, I respect that. Speaking of that, uh, after all that, uh, baseball stuff, I got down on our, our Greg Maddox rabbit hole last night. Yeah, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're all, him with him, there's, there's a, there's a back and forth between at bats of him going and,

he was going to come back with this and and Greg Maddox saying like, I knew he knew I was going to

come back with this. So I threw like, it's, they spawns a pretty, it's a pretty fascinating sport.

“And the adjustment stays made over the past couple of years. I believe have saved it. And we've”

already talked about this, boys, if they go through a lockout, they're fucking morons. They're morons. And I, around the, uh, the field last night, just talking to different fans, like, it is, this is the last season. And it's just so mind-numbing haven't been through this in the NHL. So back and where baseball's at. So enjoy this year, because it seems like there is zero chance these guys are, these guys, they're exactly incorrect in thinking no salary cap. Yeah,

we, we're arguing with Ernie Clement Schneider and, um, and I'm forgetting a bit of a guy. He already Clement got in the game as a pinch runner and me at double play. Nathan Lucas, fuck, I drew a blank on him. He was a beauty. Um, we argue with them. And I said, uh, we were all beaten the same drum. I said, you guys need to get, get to the table with them and figure something out. And once again, man, you get teams like the Pittsburgh pirates.

You don't spend shit. You forced those types of teams where their bottom, their basement is 50, 75 million dollars more than what it is now. And then yeah, maybe those,

there's a, there's a top cap, but the, the saying we always use, uh, the, the, the Kai lifts all boats or

some shit. Yep. What is it? It's rising tide lifts all boats. I, I butcher that one every god damn

“time. That's okay. You're known for butchering simple things. And it's okay. Because that's what makes”

you, um, and another thing that makes you, you, is your love, uh, for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And on very unfortunate that this happened right after we recorded, I think, or maybe the day after our last week, but an upsetting scene to say the least, the butcher, Radko Goudes, he did it again. This one might have been one of his most outrageous. Now my dad hates Radko Goudes. Um, I said, hey, apparently he's a great guy. He goes, I don't care how good of a guy he is. I hate watching

him play. He's injured so many people. He was like, I went through his YouTube of all his dirty hits after that Matthews one. And this one, this one was ugly. It was a straight sprint to a guy who's obviously going to take a step around you. And when he took the step around him, he stuck his knee out. It was what happened after that was the main issue and got everyone talking over the past

five, six days. And that was the, the no response. And I'll say the most amazing thing about it was

kneelander after say it. I didn't see it. And then, and then the screenshot comes up of him with his arm in the air. Looked to make the, make the penalty call. Biz, what did you think? Give me your thoughts. What, yeah, I mean, we're, we're pretty like far removed. I know, everybody's really heard a lot of the responses and what asked to happen. I spoke my piece on it on TNT last night. Like, it's just like the, it's like the, the exclamation point on just a season from hell. Yeah.

And I would say as a result of it, like beforehand, I would, I would have said, you know what, we got awesome two more years under contract. I'm hoping that he wants to come back and, and be part of, you know, a group that fixes this and, and, and, you know, quick retool and, and be competitive and relevant and back in a playoff spot next year. You know, some people might disagree with that and think I'm delusional. Yes, I'm a bit of a delusional, least fan. I mean, we can all agree on that.

I then will be as well. But that was one of those things where I'm like, you know what, I would be totally fine if Austin after, you know, dealing with the bullshit after the, the Olympics, seeing that response from the teammates and him just saying, you know what, I've given

“my time and energy to the city. I think maybe it's time that we kind of have like a clean break up.”

You guys get plenty in return and, and boys, I'm just speaking my, my side of it. Like he might be like, oh, there's no bearing on my decision based on what happened on the ice there and maybe he wants to come back and be part of the solution, which is awesome. Right. That would be great if that was the case because he's a, he's a world class player and you got him locked up for the next two years that a pretty reasonable A.V. But, you know, I, I set on the broadcast, dude, like I can't speak with like a ton of

credibility when it comes to power play. I can't speak about how you know, playing top line minutes and out. And a lot of things really, but I can't speak on that because that was my job as a player. And even when I was playing in junior hockey in the East Coast in the HL, one stuff like that would happen. And when I wasn't even a fighter at that level in the East HL and junior, if that happened to one of my teammates, regardless of where they stood in the lineup, I would have been sprinting over

there to try to handle that business. I remember when you wouldn't even be playing in games and if

that you wouldn't do anything. Yeah. It was a very vulnerable thing, right? And yeah, it's like

you of all guys, like you were not known for your toughness that you are self-deprecating about it.

“Like, remember when donor got knocked out by whiz against Anna, you ended up fighting them.”

Yeah, yeah, he went down a fall. I knew I was going to get beat up for God. He was a lefty, but it's just one of those things. When your captain gets hit like that, it was a bad elbow. And it wasn't just because I wanted to do it, I probably had to beat a guy to get there to try to fight him to show my love to donor because four other guys on the ice wanted to do it too. Like, it was our team was close like that where if one guy got taken advantage of everybody wanted

to get them, the bench was going crazy, the coaches were going crazy. So yeah, I mean, it's just one of

those things where you see a guy get hit like that no matter who you are and goodness too,

like he's not one of those guys, he hits a guy, he'll give you the fight. He's not going to shy away from it. And if he if it's a smaller guy, like say kneeland or grab them, he's not really going to take advantage of him if he has the opportunity. I mean, it's bad as that sounds he just sees. What's the worst that's going to happen? You get bopped on the head a few times like all like all nowadays like it's like all concussion, protocol, give me a fucking

break man. Some of these guys are such fucking pussy's like I told the story on the broadcast boys like in and I've set up before the Jeremy Blonski were in Binghamton right? I know this guy is an absolute killer like I was I'm a I was like a light heavyweight trying to learn how to do it in order to try to get to the next level and you know he ends up running one of our guys and I go right after him and three punches he catches me right on the button and I'm banned. I can't even

stand up on the way to the box. And once again, there's no concussion protocol. There's no going down the tunnel to show weakness. You go to the penalty box. You get your bearings and hopefully after that five minutes you serve, you're okay enough to skate back to the bench and take a regular shift. Well, I was and I did. Well, we had another guy in the team. Bondy wasn't in the lineup or was injured or maybe he wasn't there at the time for whatever reason.

So I was essentially the guy. We'll sure enough. Yeah, I'll end up running another one of our teammates. And we had another guy in team. I'm not going to say names who was kind of like in my position and he he didn't do anything. I didn't pretend to not see it move. You know what I'm talking about. But he and that's another thing too. Like I don't give a fuck if you saw it. You see your captain there and you see that gootuses around it. You're fucking you're you've shed the myths.

You're trying to pump his eye shut and you ask questions later. What are you worried about?

“You're not worried about season. You need to get an instigator penalty to put them on the”

power play where you lose a game where you desperately needed those two points. You're out of the fucking playoff spot. You're got nothing to play for other than your pride and your teammates and finishing the season strong to let the organization know that you want to be a part of the solution. And it's not even just really it's the other guys on the ice and it may be they're taking a lot of heat for it and they probably feel terrible about it now and regret the situation and

hey they're going to have to live with those thoughts and in that feeling and that criticism because that's just hey buddy you're playing and you you want you want to play in the bigs and you want to fucking make all that money. You got to deal with the criticism what it comes but going back what I was saying I had to go back out there and fight y'all again and he fucking bandied me again and I was I was I had the bandie knees I went back back to the box and did the same thing so

“it ultimately comes back to if you want to be a winner and a champion you you have to come out of”

your comfort zone and you have to show courage and situations where maybe you don't want to and that was a test and they failed it miserably and to me it's just a bad look like I know I I joke a little bit about the chrome hard jeans and the tank top and the press box type of stuff and this isn't like an opportunity to shut on willy it's more of like buddy I get that that's cool and I get all that but it's like I would I would sit him down after the season really every single guy

if I was management and say what do you want like what do you want what do you want out of this like when wonder can I can we win with you are you going to make these sacrifices are you more worried about growing your and listen I was a social media guy too but like I also wasn't playing first line minutes and making eleven and a half and relied upon to win hockey games

so it's just like it's very frustrating from a fan standpoint and I am 100 percent okay

if they trade if if they come to an agreement right like I love math use like if he wants to stick around all all good if if if they want if they come to a decision where they're going to

Wendell Clark era back I want the Dougie Gilmors I want to be so fucking proud of the team I'm

watching on the ice where yeah maybe they're not maybe they lose second or third round

but I know they're going down with fight and they're going to have blood on their jerseys and they're going to be and then they're going to have the yacht club rocking they're going to have people so so passionate about the team that's on the ice they're not too busy between periods doing bumps in the bathroom that they're out there glued to their seats and then standing up

“when they get the action that that that's what they're so proud to see so that's kind of just”

me speaking from the heart maybe people think we're being hyperbolic about it and overreacting but it's just like I've seen enough and it's time to it's time to kind of reshuffle the deck here from everything I've heard is that math use wants to be there and wants to be part of the solution and win a cup there but like I don't know you think this is one of those things where it's like this is the final straw I don't know if it's the final straw I just know that you look around

and remembering playing and like when when I was on Pittsburgh we came together it was it was things that some fans may not think is that important and and playing the game it's just like buddy Dallene said it best the other days like we have formed a brotherhood in here and this is a team who had the tage Thompson incident and then you see the difference this year and he said now if one of us gets touched there's four guys flying and you saw it with Done when Hegel went after

“Dallene and then he was asked like oh what did you guys do he's like we drank beers together”

and that is like a headline and makes people laugh but it's not even a joke it's literally like becoming a family and hanging on off the ice and you don't have to be best buddies and you don't have to be old all night together but after games and and on the road guys getting in a room or a hall together and one of the banquet rooms and just having a couple beers and it's just like it's a team it you become a family and you see teams that are like that and they have tons of

success and even when they don't have success you can tell the difference between the teams that aren't like that and yeah it's quite obvious I guess having played not trying to sound like that guy that but it I just remember the teams I was on that was like that and then some teams I was on that wasn't um I and somebody posted that because there was like an older guy yet you might think of them but they had a rule where you don't have to stay the whole night

but yeah when we throw our bags in our room bag trucker shut out to how Gill and Mason

“go down for one and if you want to go back to your room and go on your own after that but you”

stay for one and then you you always see the teams that have the most success you're going to have

15 16 guys there stand for a few more getting to know each other and forming that bond you just talk about with Dahlene and buddy you mentioned that Hagle incident in Buffalo the other night were Josh don't end up jumping on him UPL I think it was UPL and playing that he was sprinting out of his crease to go handle business like that's that is a carbon copy example of what needs to happen if you're going to you're going to be a successful group and I just don't feel it

at a Toronto and it's just year from hell and yeah and some people want to bring up the whole like all like like the idiots online like all like like maybe they didn't want to fight for mass use because they don't feel that type of reciprocation it's like I don't know man it's fucking team USA team made seem to really like I'm like I don't think he's a problem and nor should he have the fucking worry about handling business everybody else should because he's the

one doing all the heavy lifting we did get a very very funny um press release by but judge super agent judge the league runs through him and and to say in a press or statement that the director player safety should be suspended himself that that I mean that's funny I don't don't care which way you look at it now it was a five game suspension for goodness I would have been fine with like seven I mean it just maybe a couple more it wasn't like five's not nothing

I should eight to ten okay yeah because it's that blatant and he's done it so many times prior so I was surprised it was five um but the whole system on how you get suspended even McDavit talked about it and and we'll get into McDavit and I thought the authors had a pretty good response to Aussie wise black and it's hit on Leon who left the game came back and then

didn't finish the game um but he said like basically when everyone's complaining about every suspension

it kind of screams like all right something's a little off here the statement is if every time there's a suspension everybody complains about it why don't we take a look at the process and figure out if there's a better way to make sure that both parties are happy because it seems like there's a lot of frustration I get that well what do you what do you think with so I play with George Paros I like George a lot that's a tough gig dude brutal gig it is not a gig

off the side you're suspending you're pissing off the side that doesn't take it was a long enough

suspension you're a former player you're taking money out of players pockets it's not something that's like an easy gig which is why usually don't see people do it that long I know Shanny did it for a little while piss I don't know in terms did you ask what could you do different in in the process yeah is that what you meant no I just my whole thing is is they what they say is is they don't

“take the injury into account they say that right don't know if that's the case but I think it's a”

little silly if they don't weigh it as a factor okay I I also don't know if Toronto's in a wild card spot right now fighting for their playoff lives and all the sudden goodness takes out their captain and their best player does that factor in you you guys yeah well that shouldn't be a case because Toronto's out of it you're saying well yeah you're saying would it be more if they were in it well yeah because he's obviously way more valuable in that situation to his team would that factor

on the decision making but to me if you have a guy who's now got a third degree MCL

sprain which I've had that before I've had a second degree I've had a first degree I've had a third degree I've had all I got no knees right now or two or two or teeth or or brain or nostrils like awesome I think he's total gonna miss 16 games so you're telling me a guy who gives a direct knee with people said oh he hasn't been suspended in seven years like I listen we know goodness plays on the edge and we know that was a torpedo knee and he just took out a guy

for 16 games if not more length of time but third degree you're usually looking at about six weeks if not two months depending on the severity of the third degree so how was that fair that this guy's gonna miss you know ten days to two weeks when this guy's gonna miss that much time so

to me that scale is a little unbalanced and they should weigh it as a factor are you you guys agree

with that it's just tough I'm I'm even going back to McDavid's comments like no matter what someone's gonna be pissed off whether what team if you're the Toronto Maple Leaf fan or if you're in a home duck fan so I don't know how they can make it like what making a kneeing is a automatic five making an elbow to the head is an automatic three like how do you how can you possibly

“well I think you have to weigh it like if a guy like kind of like he starts getting a little bit of a”

chicken wing out and you can clearly see it's a little bit accidental and there's an injury as a result of that well you gotta you gotta weigh that in on the scale right I think you're you're crazy to to think you shouldn't I'm not saying you but if somebody's injured and you don't factor that in that's that's ludicrous to me and it's a big time reach of an analogy but it's like hey you get a you murder someone or you try to murder me you don't it's attempted murder or it's murder

and and using the analogies and little crazy talk about murder but it is ludicrous so maybe it's not that crazy so like buddy like if a guy's out 30 games with an injury yeah it should be way more of a suspension than if then if he didn't end up getting hurt from the same play but it's one of those things where if same Matthews hit some fourth line or in there like hey you be out for 30 games and then they'll make the penalty on Matthews more severe and then Toronto doesn't get him

yeah but that well it shouldn't that that shouldn't weigh it on on like how good the player is

“I think that we all know when we watch a video if you've played before especially to our level”

what level the intent was and what the guy's history is like Matthews not running around elbowing guys typically right so is he just kind of is in a quick situation where instinctively his arm comes up because it it happens quick and as a result that guy's over six weeks with a concussion I don't think you're hitting on his heart as you would as if like goodless with a with a torpedo knee or if goodus is going Scot Stevens across the blue line and clips a guy on the

jaw like that to me I think we're all smart enough to know how to evaluate it as former players and once again I think that that the injury at hand should weigh as a factor it shouldn't be the end all be all but they should have taken that into account with goodus suspension if they gave him six games it wouldn't even be talked about it's just because it was that five games it was done with the phone hearing yeah I think the in person sure but I I still would have been like

I think eight to ten was the number and does the fact that Anaheim this is in a playoff spot and fighting and you know does that weigh into it as well so not I I don't I I'm not as correct obviously judges kind of emotional about it because Austin's one of his biggest clients he's like really good friends with them he cares about him and his family and there's like a deep emotional connection there so obviously he's fiery but I think that there it's it's somewhere

worst job in the league and George is deals with so much backlash as a result of every decision he makes so I do feel for him and not a job a lot of people want number number Shani was doing it he was doing the videos yeah oh my god yeah it's by the way yeah whoever does it will be hated it's just that's just how it is we should be the panel and we do it on here imagine oh we have no listeners imagine what people would say about us they hate us more than silly fans we should we should

“honestly when there is something like that before the announcement comes out we should say”

what we think how many games we think it should be and see if we're close so yeah so we'll we'll be even more wrong I think that's a seven game and they're like that's a $5,000 fine so we'll do like a college like he has to sit out the first period and you mentioned the fires hating us business but they can't hate us today buddy because Mark how people interview we got legends you in a little bit and this is so many gordy stories Mark how Hall of Famer himself

just an awesome guy great storyteller so I can't wait to get to that and I'll just I'll quickly touch on that boys like this is this is probably top five interview for me and like obviously we take to have somebody on who knew the all the gordy stories as much as

his son did like I felt like like it was just the nostalgia we always talk about the Mount Rushmore

and and of hockey and hearing Mark talk about his father you completely understand why Wayne Gretsky was obsessed with gordy how and why he looked up to him and he was his idol if the NHL is nowhere near the place it is right now with oh gordy how the fact that he would after games in Detroit he would sign autographs till every single person had their autographs sign and left the building every time he played there it's like you like you would never see that

again ever and the foundation of this league was was built off the back of guys like gordy how and it's just like I have like fucking chills thinking about it and just an incredible why I think we were with him for 90 minutes I could have talked to him for another two hours and I hope we get to get him on again and get on there his brother as well who I'm sure has a different variations of different stories as well so just an absolute honor to get to talk to Mark who is a Hall of

Famer himself so just this incredible yeah and just quickly I do want to mention so

that Aussie wise but hit on Leon now I don't think the injuries too serious didn't sound like that like they let him go back into the game he couldn't finish he'd already scored one nothing wrong with the hit nothing at all good good hockey hit too Leon I think he averages close to like three points a game against Nashville he'd already scored so I get it it's like we're gonna run around

“the only thing I would have liked is right after captain went over and two handed them”

right near the bench and why's what gave him one right back maybe just like jump him then I I understand like not his role but whatever we're talking about it later Fredric did his best why splat just wouldn't fight it was nice though wallman crushed him along the wall after he made a break-up pass or there's get a big win so that was that was just as long as Leon it's like not seriously heard it's not a big deal but I thought the response was pretty good

because the rest of the game they were going out of him and he just didn't he wasn't gonna fight but I respect that kid plays hard and he threw a nice hit and it wasn't a dirty hit and there's still going after him like that's just a hockey play I hope it's just like a hip pointer and not his back because like the way he went in you hope it's not his back because especially during playoff time with fact gets lingering as brutal but yeah I mean that's one of those things those

happened during the game you know the guys tried to do what they did wise blood probably he doesn't have to answer the bell there because it wasn't a dirty hit he didn't do anything illegal

“so I think that's kind of people think he's a pussy for not fighting I don't think that's fair”

because it was a clean hit yeah and I just wanted to get to that and we're gonna get into the East Playoff picture some stuff happened in there and obviously I'll West but right now I think it's time for Mark how everyone's sit down and enjoy this because I know we all did guys let's take a minute here and talk about draft Kings no sport flips faster than hockey one power play one goalie pulled with two minutes left and everything changes draft King sports book

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on how are you doing all right guys so how are you doing today so just i've been busy like everybody else on these coast digging out of snow the last week or so and yeah does haven't fun with

it are you still out there shoveling oh yeah got to keep doing so actually did the did

run the house last Sunday and then what down the jersey shore because i got a home down there and uh i got a couple boats so checking on things and uh because i didn't think there was going to be that much snow but yeah there was there's plenty of snow in ice and uh the hard part because

“i try to go for run most every day and then i think it was about nineteen degrees and i was”

out uh did a quick three miles and uh just work for four more four more four layers but uh the face was getting a little chilly so uh couldn't wait to get back in the car and get the here going again oh yeah oh yeah oh for sure but you're seven years old and you look unbelievable is that uh you know you give that credit to you just stay in busy and running and just stay in active yeah well that and good genes so uh uh maybe that obviously was a strong human being i i think i

have more of my mother's change but my mom was a very strong woman as well but i think over the I retired about five years ago uh why am i long time girlfriend Sharon she had had uh used beginning uh symptoms of dementia and it was starting to get an issue and then we went got vaccinated for COVID just about five years ago and it just blew her out of the water ever since that day if she's needed 24 hour care and uh so the in i think ever since i've been

“50 i uh because it becomes more important i think that you're you're with your fitness and all”

and trying to give yourself the best uh opportunity to call the quality of life and uh but i find now it is so beneficial being the primary caregiver for Sharon here at home is to uh uh it's made i go out for run and you know some days you know the part of the survey around the 18 miles of dawn of the few times but for me it it gets where the crap in my head and uh it keeps my uh keeps my uh brain somewhat clear and for me that's the the best benefit of it we had a coach in

Arizona Dave King yeah and it was same thing every single morning he would wake up and he would go run about i think it was about five miles he would do every day so i think he just got more mad at the more he ran though he was a grumpy guy well those are those are coaches so and yeah the happy ones of the guys that didn't work out so how much how much hockey you still watching actually not but this year not much so uh i was uh i went on a fishing trip with my brother Marty

uh we were up in uh up in Nova Scotia up in antigenation did some giant bluefin tuna fishing and Dennis you're an old teammate he or is probably Dennis Bond he got me oh yeah about 10 12 years ago and then then and i've gone up there a number of times since and then came back and then unfortunately for my uh i had an emergency surgery uh i think it's uh just about 10 11 weeks ago i ended up having a ball block i drove up in the middle of the night it was an extreme

pain and they ran me in there it's letting me open take a little bit of my intestine out staple

just been getting my energy levels back but it's uh but i feel lucky so i mean i i don't know what

happened if i would have been out in the boat and i went in through the pain that i went through so so i feel pretty fortunate at least i was here at home is fishing like a therapeutic thing for you because uh this is a big fly for him and now and just just something that you know he likes to get off his mind and it kind of his his relaxation is at the same for you mark i went one time i said i'm addicted and he's guys have been given it to me ever since because because i said the

word addicted they think i should be doing it every week but you can't be fly fishing every week because it's cold outside now uh well you can but the lure might bounce a little bit but i don't know

“I think it's i used to go i used to golf a ton um i used to play 125 rounds a year uh years ago”

and now that i now i suck we used to call it the summer tour especially here in fillion

yeah when i started my plank we were down in Houston we used to play all the time and uh but then i i'm slowly migrated into uh uh boating and fishing and and i think a lot of it was because uh i got into boating big time in 86 down at the jersey shore uh and i loved offshore fishing so i got a bigger boat and but my kids were and three four five years of age at the time and i'm golfing year gone all winter traveling hockey and now i'm and up golfing five days a week and i said

i got to start doing more with my kids i want to be a part of their lives growing up so we we got into boating one to the shore and um yes we we used to spend probably two and a half to three months there every year and and i continued to go there and it was uh and it was great i did so many

“wonderful things and my kid unfortunately all three of my kids they all got seasick uh so i've been there”

buddy yeah it's until they invented the patch uh behind the ear i was hard for them to go out but uh uh and they still don't like it as much but for me i find like some of my brother marty's up and uh just outside of hardford and so we're about three hours apart and uh we we normally do four to five fishing trips every year we go down to Louisiana uh down eventus and we go tuna fishing down out of there uh and then uh even years ago we used to go fishing up in Long Island

sound so when i was scouting i used to go do a lot of games and bridge four a lot of games of hardford a lot of games in springfield and when my dad was still alive so dad would be staying in marries house and uh so in the morning we get up four o'clock and we go and uh wet a line till about noon come in have a little nap the notes go scout a few games and uh just hope by Sunday when you've been doing the same thing four days or all hopefully the game was good otherwise

your your head's kind of given it one of these as you're trying to watch but uh uh yeah i found it's i mean i i love the excitement of it and uh every day you go out you didn't go out today it's a day but but i think a lot of it is uh i built a lot of relationships with uh with the friends and and mostly with family uh doing fishing trips and because i think my dad used to take marty and iron a lot of trips when we were kids how many whole ones if you're playing that many

rounds of golf oh only had one so uh you got one though i got one yeah with that i had uh i lip the cup five or six times uh there was a favorite course we had an Detroit called Plum Hollow uh i think it was a third hole as perfect as 180 yards as perfect six iron for me and and i swear if i ever got one it's gonna be that hole but i think uh i think my whole one was out at the La Costa Country Club as playing with dad out in California uh back in the old WHA days

“oh that's what you see you got it when when uh when Gordie was there oh yeah yeah so um yeah he uh yeah so”

like that was one thing uh i was a pretty good golfer back in the day the first time my uh first time ever shot par was uh i was 15 years old and because that was a great golfer too that was like a

plus two handic he was so good at every sport but i forgot i never got it i said i'm never going

to catch me in hockey so uh i said well maybe i can get him a golf and i never forget because we were uh we're we're both one over going into the last hole and he bogey died birdie so i said that was that was a big day for me first time you ever beat him was that day yep yeah that was that day oh that's incredible unbelievable we uh we love going back to the start your stories just incredible like your dad's mr hockey right and i'm looking up he was 32 when you were born

and most of the time you know guys have kids at that age it's like i probably got a couple years left i mean he wasn't he wasn't even close to being done so you're born into

i imagine you fell in love with the game quite early just seeing your dad and and seeing what he had done like what are your memories of of starting to play the game and how often your dad was around then as he was still playing and probably traveling a ton yeah well yeah we're back in the day they traveled by you know by train most of the time but but it was great dad

whenever i could dad would bring me to the rank and i'm now right started playing my first year

of playing on a team all his four years old we played now door ranks for two years and then my mom who was so instrumental in my brother and I his career she negotiated the deal and was able to build a rank as one of the it was the first rank built indoor rank in the state of

“Michigan and and i think within but the next seven eight years it was probably twenty twenty five”

ranks well yeah yeah but so i but i i had so many opportunities as a kid dad would take me to practice between dug barkly billgaz we sit able all these guys were coaching at the time when i was a kid that then when i got to and i haven't grown since since i was like 13 years old and i was about a hundred ninety pounds back then but they used to let me practice with the red wings when i was 13 and i remember dad one year i was 14 took me up the poor here

on i spent a week at training camp my parents let me miss a week of school and uh and i want right to training camp and and on our first first first scrimma job was lined up and normally a dean practice was the left winger on dad's line but they let me take that spot and dean was playing against being in the first scrimma's uh their team one three nothing dean prince got three goals and every guy in the lock room said hey kid we know you can score but you got to learn how to check so

those were those were lessons i learned when i was 12 13 14 years of age oh unbelievable at what age did you realize that your your father was just larger than life figure like what when did that kind of clue in where it's like oh like this guy's a big deal and so many people

“look up to him and you kind of just touched on how instrumental i think we forget like we just”

view Michigan as like a hockey state now but back then you said there were no indoor rink so before Wayne Gretzky you know was in LA it was kind of like that movement your father created and Detroit and Michigan really yeah we you know everywhere we went i just thought it was normal i mean that's what i grew up with like it was uh and it was one indie Troy i mean everywhere one indie Troy but every i remember one time we're on a fishing trip up in the northwest territories uh we flew

back we landed in Edmonton and you know back in the day with no cell phones and dad went in with

phone booth and it took him at least two hours to go out of the phone booth because he never

refused an autograph so everybody in the entire uh Edmonton airport was there and dad would just sign and so and but we were used to that uh but our whole lives had to do with uh just doing things at a family we never talked hockey we never talked those got a thing we taught when are we going fishing one can we go golf and her you know when we're gonna do a family trip to Florida whatever that was our life and it was uh had nothing to do with the limelighter thing

else but um and dad was very gracious with it i i know uh whenever i went to the Redwing games um and sometimes i would be the only one there i'd be maybe nine ten years of age and the wings

he always came out in the hallway and you had everybody in the arena who was still there uh sitting

there and they would all want autographs so i loved it i'd have my little uh little stick and a little tape on i'd look planned ball hockey against the the uh the stairs went up to the bleachers air the balcony and dad would sit and sign every single autograph every single night and i and i

“do remember one time i asked him in the car and the ride home i said dad like how can you do that why”

do you do that and he said to me he said those are the people that are paying my salary he said uh you know i owe it to him and and dad was always gracious this that way now when you're dead originally started playing it's so long ago like that's when guys were working in the offseason and stuff right like i don't know if that was ever the case for him but it was just such a different life such a different world for professional athletes like you remember what he would do in the summers because

training wasn't big i mean everyone's seen the pictures of him just a naturally enormous human being but do you remember his like off seasons then and was it kind of just fishing and hanging with the fan and not really training and skating uh well yeah but that well he used to go back home and uh his his father my grandpa how he he was in charge of uh paving all the sidewalks and some of the streets in Saskatoon way back in the day so when dad would go back home in the summer uh

put them under pressure and they'd have like four eighty pound bags and he'd bet somebody said

i could say a batch of my son can can lift these all at once and then he'd look at my son and and he'd bet like a necklace or dime which ton of money back in the day and he'd look at my dad he said kid don't let me down and dad would have had it. I think he had a double hernia surgery couple years later but uh yeah but dad was just a beast of a man and if anybody saw his hands his hands are absolutely massive so uh i know he he's fainting he one time and i deserved it

and it was just one little whack and then i said well whenever i'm getting a trouble again i'm going to make sure dad's out of town because those big mints aren't going to touch me again

“that's what caused the bowel blocks sixty five yeah yeah no so um take us through because you”

mentioned you guys didn't really talk talk much hockey right and all of a sudden you become a pretty incredible player like a junior player scoring a hundred points you go to the OHA at that point a hundred points and there had to be a time when when he realized like wow like my son it's not just like he's just liking and playing hockey he he he he's going to play pro at that point did he start kind of talking to you about the game a little bit more and and helping you with

your development it was it always kind of you were on your own a little bit not always on my own

so on and that's it that's uh one of the things that i appreciate the most about my parents uh was they let us uh experience life and learn life lessons on her own and uh dad's way of uh you know I as a prime example I got I don't mind telling stories on myself so uh first game in the WHA you know we play game out now like we win the game I'm just 18 years old now I'm playing pro hockey and this is back in 73 I'm making a hundred twenty five thousand a year and and I'm living my dream

I'm I'm I'm getting to my dream and I'm out now lay and boom you know we win the game well I'm out having a good time and uh come back in the hotel room and then you're gonna have a have a young girl with me and uh going have fun well then we then it's sort of don't get much sleep and I had a couple maybe too many drinks oh yeah and so and now you now you hop on a plane at eight thirty in the morning we fly somewhere and then we fly an admin till we land at three o'clock

we have a game in seven o'clock that day and so yeah I'm tired I am hurt a little bit and uh but like I said everything is so new so exciting and I was the only I was kind of ever taught was when somebody's coming to run you over try to run right through them like just build back down so I'm I think I'm like third shift to the game or something then they had a big settlement Jim a big Jim Harrison and uh sure enough I had my head down and boom I don't I never saw him come and he went over my glove my

helmet everything went flying and I was half cold turkey and this right near the end of the

first period we came in and they always had me sitting next to dad in the locker room and all

dad there was he just kind of looked at me like this and he said well I had to learn a lesson I got yes sir I did like and that was his that was his way of saying okay you realize what you did last

“night it's not acceptable and you'd learn the reason why so yeah so that but that's how I learned”

you know learn my lessons from you know from from my dad most of my mom was a little more direct but that that had more to do with life lessons and not so much playing hockey but but the door world was always open I used to ask the odd time I remember playing with the Marley said the one year in Toronto and and I was playing really well and I was skating good and this above my chances weren't coming there had been like five or six games in a row and

mom and dad came up to watch and and so I asked my dad I said dad just if you got a pointer for me I said I I skate really good I'm into the game and but things just aren't clicking I'm not getting in the opportunities and he so after the game he said well you're and I played left wing till I was like twenty four twenty five in my life and I was I was like fifteen feet off the board so now I'm coming down the ice I'm lined up directly with the defenseman and so dad point

now he said you're just making that guy's job that much easier so he says get your ass over on the boards now you force it off and he's got to come to you and then you judge if he comes to

“early comes to late you need to go why you can cut for the middle do whatever and he told me that”

after the game and I think I scored a hat trick in two goals and in two more goals and other goals I had like eight nine goals next four games just from a single little tip so yeah the door

yourself but yeah it was it was and I but I said that's what I appreciated the most about my parents

is nobody they weren't harping on me I never got pushed x and my brother Marty was you know play

pro for twelve years he basically quit hockey one year because he loved football and things didn't work out with football and there was a game we were playing against we're in Detroit we're playing against Squelf and he said there's this guy in his other team and he loved to fight him every time and since I told this football coach I can't make practice throughout because I have to play this hockey game and the football coach said well that's it your done playing football and Marty

was by far the best athlete in our school and so then he boom so that was any kind of made a play high but my parents had no problem with it so they they just supported what we did but everyone swine you need a little need a little slap and so we got a little slap when we needed it but

yeah they they were always there to support us when we're talking about your career I with a few

“people that's what they said when you ended up switching from forward a defense how it was such a”

smooth transition where I think that you ended up maybe even leading your team and points even as a demand what was the reason for the switch like why did you go from a forward to a demand? Well actually the the first guy to ever put me on defense was uh it was uh build a name when we're playing down a house and that was uh the fourth year that we played there and uh the Renoicks is because teams in the WHO only had maybe 25 guys on your in your entire

organization and we had a number of injuries and uh with in my self as well I was coming off to shoulder separation and but we only had uh I think five defense and uh and the whole organization that were healthy so they put me back there I ended up playing uh with a defense and pal pal peel I played uh I think 32-33 games something like that and I had 50 points um and then boom then I went back to wing the next year when we went up to Hartford uh but when the league

emerged um I played the first three or four games of the year uh on left wing and then we went

into Buffalo one day and uh we're playing against the savers and so in the morning skate I played left wing in the morning skate and then we came in for the game and I'm looking at the on the blackboard in the line up sheet and they had my name on defense and they had somebody else on left wing I thought the guys were playing the jokes so I want to erase the I raised the board and I put my name back up and they said all your playing defense and I got the coaches can

I said you got to be kidding me so I said I wish it were to have one day to practice and I'm not gonna ever forget my first shift was against heel bare parole and my defense partner pinched in the pocket came out and I had heel bare parole one one and I believe me I I think my shift was 15 seconds thank god he lost the pocket I landed on it and I had to change I was out of breath

“and that's how my career started as a defenseman in the NHL but uh but but I loved it there was”

the only bad thing about it was my brother was a defenseman on a team and and I ended up taking a I ended up playing 30 minutes a night and when I was in the hardford as compared to playing 22 as a winger and I think as a defenseman you can control the pace of the game much better and so I I liked that part of it but the bad part was I ended up taking minute to away from my brother and and it was a tough I mean I could skate I could do a lot of that I could pass the

puck really well uh but it took me a few years to learn how to absolutely properly play the game I play the position of defense. Mark you mentioned in the beginning you make an 125,000 in the WHA kind of a two-part question was that one of the reasons why you went to the WHA instead of the NHL and what was a rookie salary in the NHL at that time compared to the 125? Well Gordi was playing Detroit uh he had retired two years previous uh hit his 25th year and also

his 24th year uh he made a hundred thousand dollars a year so I get offered a contract just signed my name I get 125 but an actuality uh because that was we were a fresh off of Memorial Cup Win and Toronto uh I had just turned 18 uh I won the MVP and they're off me 25 grand more than what Gordi had ever made in his lifetime but I want I felt I needed another year in junior uh I guess mostly for maturity reasons um but uh it has to dad dad said to me he says look if I

have to I'll break your arms sign the contract for you and it's just kind of so okay

“though but but the reason was so but at the time so especially being US born if you want to”

Canada and play junior hockey and I got my ten dollars uh a week's expense money uh but once you

I ended up playing in the Olympics the year before so I couldn't have played in the Olympics and

so but the WHA they decided they wanted the you stab a uh in their draft part it was a professional draft and they wanted to under the assumption that okay the NCAA considers the how boys professional because I I made ten dollars a week so yeah so they are available for the

“professional draft so that's how we got drafted in the WHA I remember my dad called the people at”

the NHL and he said look I'd like to come back and play I would like for my kids to be able to come play in the NHL and the NHL just said no because you had to be 20 years of age at the time oh and yeah so uh you had no choice I mean like great probably the best player and I could junior time with Dennis Potter and who could easily come out I think he spent five years in Ottawa but he he had to play five years in junior and once he turned 20 and then I really didn't know

it was what a great player he was but yeah yeah the way but the WHA provided that opportunity for you know guys like myself Marty they had the baby bulls down a Birmingham I mean Langway Napier then you know you know Gretts played in theapolis mass played in Cincinnati and Mike Artner was in Cincinnati and a lot of really good players got the beginning of the career in

“the WHA just big and I think it was maybe three years later something like that the NHL finally”

changed and then you could drop players at 18 did the NHL make you guys feel as outcasts at that time like it was it was a kind of like a PGA live style of thing because they went off and did their own thing or was it pretty cordial? No it was I think it's very similar to the live thing so in the way I looked at I had no choice it was either playing Toronto or I go to the WHA and playing the same team as my father it was kind of a no-brainer and actually that year I

think was I appreciated my father as a hockey player better than then I ever did and I used to watch so many games but he won the MVP of the league and to me the league was kind of a hybrid of the American League and the NHL without the the high-end stars who weren't the no-o batch against no craws we used to know those kind of guys but there was the Bobby Holos and League or he was there there was some pretty good players but not the elite guys and yeah and Gordon he been retired for

two years it's like I've watched and rivers come out of retirement to play a few games this year and I go it's not that he was 44 or 45 I said the the hard part was like he'd been out for five years Marty and I saw what it did he'd go to use the most phenomenal athlete I've ever seen and you know during training camp in Houston actually Marty and I went to my mom and said we're we're really concerned to dad I mean we didn't know we didn't know red could be that purple and somebody's face

like and here's here's a man it has incredible stamina and so we built an ink him over

had a chat with mom and dad I think it was maybe about a week 10 days later I couldn't keep up with the guy just absolutely incredible stamina but he came back and he won the MVP that year the league and I think he could have won the next year and to me that's the most amazing thing I've ever seen and sport and I was the one who benefited so Gordon played right wing we had a send me a name Jimmy shared and I was the left winger so yeah it took me about three months

actually to really adapt Marty Marty fit into the league quicker adapted quicker took me I would say two to three months and I could build a need a lot of a lot of credit because he I didn't play any

special teams play early on and he started to give me a little bit of pk time and then finally got

me on the power play and I think by that time then I started to feel like everyone belonged to pro hockey was Gordon fighting at all then or was there a bubble around and where guys went

“going near him just because of the status well you guys should have more you should you should give”

my brother Marty and if Marty's still good at the you should give maybe give one or two of the pink wetness you didn't give one and you know he but I remember the first exhibition game we're planning Houston well with the Houston but I think we're playing in Greensboro somewhere in Carolinas or something and I don't know what to expect I'm 18 you know kid you know I remember you're 18 you're just so nervous you're so excited beyond the ice and you just and you're focused

on what you're trying to do and all I know is they dropped the puck and as soon as the puck dropped the left winger who was lined up next to Gordy guy drops his glove and he starts coming at Gordy oh yeah

guy was I'm whole turkey and I'm like well you know okay you got me out of my little days that I'm in I'm kind of like this well then Gordy does five minutes in the belly box come up next shift boom they send another guy out and another guy is standard and he's running he's wanting to drop his gloves but he's not going to drop his stick and he's trying to slash Gordy stick out his hand Gordy finally I'm not about more I go right across the side of the face this guy

“goes down so oh yeah this honest guy's truth and so that's how he establish him so while you”

one of the neatest things about being a son of Gordy how is no matter where you go and from Bobby York to Wayne Gratsky to all the greats the greats of the greats and all of them they all have their story of what Gordy how it did to them and what to them and a lot at the end it was and I witnessed some of it and I it was frightening and but I would say 99.99% of the time the difference is if somebody else did that to you you probably hold that grudge against him for the rest of your life

with Gordy how Marty said a best he goes it's like to play you wear that with a badge of honor like here's where Gordy did to me so I mean even though that guy walked in every bar I ever went do you see that scar right there go on you had your other crossing for every one every guy looked like chief go through bay right now you're my speech impediment Gordy gave me this yeah yeah I love my life chief was a great teammate no yeah I love him so how bit my hand off yeah so

so mark that so your first two years Gordy came back and Houston you guys wanted all both years which is pretty cool for you to get two championships and then he's like 48 years old but was there any talk of retirement or was he like oh I still love it I'm playing with my boys I'm still producing like hundred points ninety nine points hundred two points these forty seven ninety six points when he's forty eight like there was no need to retire because he was

still so good I'm guessing major mom just never want him around yeah yeah well that might have been

I don't know uh no I do remember one day uh in Houston and uh it was a first year and uh dad looked dad looked at Mario and I he goes this this game is not meant to be this fun I don't remember it being this month and so that's when he's 45 for and he did he love the game he just had fun it was his place to be and like I said he he was absolute mountain of a man and uh you know like I said his stand I've never seen him with a stamina he had but his passion for

the game and his love of the game is an even when he retired hard for the 50 to he didn't want to retire he really did not want to retire they had him I said and he was so good a 52 I say this all the time they had him on the foil so now there's a year that was a year I got moved to defense the first year that the legs merge and dad was now centering the fourth line Nick Furtillo

“is his left-winger Nick Furtillo got ten goals that year that's how good Gordie how was and”

but dad still had thirty seven thirty eight points you know at one forty one point that you already one point yeah like at fifty two and believe like and it was and yeah he had slowed a lot and you know I think it hurt a little bit and I'm not blowing my horn here but you know how you play with certain guys and sometimes you just have incredible chemistry and it seems odd because between a father and son it should be natural but like I don't know like he made the

game so easy and we never had to talk on the ice we never had to do this and that the only

ever used to say was if the puck somebody did dump the puck and what you hated to do but if somebody dumped them he says you get in there and it says you you create havoc and they get your ass out and find out the find a soft spot and he said because he would read where the puck's gone and he all he want everyone to want battle because he was so much stronger and then you better have your stick on the ice because the puck's coming so he made the he made the

“game so much easier for me but yeah but even as last year then you know I think the team”

Harper came to him and they wanted them to retire and it was it was really hard on him so like I say you think about you you played hockey all those years and yeah I think getting out of the game was a little tough but yeah but and I mean I look at what Tom Brady did and you know in his 40s and then obviously on a different stage but but to me what Gordy how did it you know into 52

and playing in the national hockey league is pretty amazing thing this is a a couple part question

old or whatever it was like you mentioned Gordy how was everyone's idol who did he ever mentioned like who his idol was with and granted this is back so long ago you came and really watching each child games but was there somebody that he was growing up maybe in Saskatchewan that he looked up to or kind of taught him the ways to do everything that he ended up passing on like I don't recall like to me I know he had a lot of friends the guy I he was really good friends

with Johnny Bauer I know a couple of summers we went up the Bobby hose ranch I did laugh that

that always said he had so much respect for for all the other players in a league

I kind of he had a little side argument with him going I said well I watched he play again some of my talk that I'm not sure you're respected that much but he he did he he loved the camaraderie

“and being on the ice and but yeah I think a lot of the guys that I think were from the west”

and he got to watch grow up I know he really admired Jack Adams when he when he first got to Detroit and but no he just he grew up like I said I think the town of Florida and they had five homes and and that was it so they you know and they had nine kids in the family and actually the first periscate stat ever got I think it was about four or five and and they had no money at the time that it was in the depression and someone came by and she had a bag full of stuff and you know she said you

know do you have any money so I think my grandmother scraped together two dollars and gave the one of two dollars she gave her the bag inside that bag was a pair of skates and so my dad took one is sister Helen took the other one I think about a month later dad finally wrestled it away and that's that's from Gordi became a hockey player and yeah you can me yeah yeah what what was Gordi like in the room was he was he kind of talkative was he wanted it was he more quiet and just taking it all in

took it all in so yeah on the ice in the locker room never in the ring is a he his actions his actions

spoke volumes so uh and like I said he yeah it's not not very often that he had much to say I know you guys would probably would have loved it I know as a kid going up and we'd be in the car we'd be in the tried heading down the lodge freeway and the odd time they had to look at me and he'd say well keep an eye on someone so tonight it would be a player from the other team and I

“whoa I'd be sitting in my seat in section seven just be lick of my chops and I remember one night he said”

I'll keep an eye on Keith magazine I don't know what Keith magazine did but oh my god I mean I go over the game and and just right near the end of the red movies from not very good and the scout was beaten up pretty bad this game and Stan McKee just taken the draw and they get it the magazine in the defensive right corner and Gordi's lined up on the slot and the uh and magazine gets he puts his head down he's skate like this he gets to the back of the net and Gordi

just fires his elbow um nails right in the face and he's and he's pre-allowed on his feet and then Gordi grabs him by the back at any slap that's face down on his knee oh yeah well he got two minutes for roughing in two minutes well boy and and so now we're in the car I'm not saying boo and we're by halfway home and dad look all he said to me look me go said did you see that I go yeah I saw like we didn't see it but yeah but then he yeah he had the memory of an elephant and you know God

forbid uh I've seen a couple guys that he he had it all for and uh obviously if they're doing something really bad then yeah they they paid for it physically and normally it was uh something

“underface and but he uh now I'm but you all right laugh even so like Davey Key I'm one of the”

yeah great player play with Davey and Hartford as well and Davey is one of the cleanest I had 104 penalty minutes in his career used to have his pat and little hook check and Davey we're having lunch

one day and he said yes I remember first time I played your daddy's like my boom hooked the

puck away from behind it took off and Davey came into the bench and all the players said oh better watch out he goes he's I've watched the Abla talking I can't have that he goes I I know not to pick you know not to hit Gordy he said no it's Gordy just doesn't like it when you take the puck from him and so then you know it happened again and all the players now Davey comes to sit on the bench and all the players kind of woo they spread out Davey's got a sitting on an island

and they're saying and there he's going what are you doing he goes we don't know how we don't know

I guess we had later in the period I guess Davey goes to do it a third time but dad had a real

short stick but like and even though he wanted to you know with through grade eight at school pretty smart individual he said well he took a stick and then moved his hands forward and put the puck maybe a foot farther in front of him so now Davey had to reach longer so now he's going like this well I hope so those is his chin Gordy takes his right hand off and just rifles it Davey wakes up in a hospital and all the players got we told ya like but but then and like you

you ask wait wait wait wait was tell me actually was that my dad's funeral Wayne was telling me that the when he was playing with any anapolis when he was 17 and he did sand thing he took the puck from Gordy turned around he said maybe about a second or two later Wayne's laying on the ice he said he thought his arm was broken Gordy looks down at him he said kid don't ever take my

“puck again and Wayne says I'm not doing it but that but that's how Gordy kind of he did just this”

this little thing and even then it's based oh big time so I I'm never so I'm playing in

Philly and with a great goal score and Tim Kirk and Tim was scoring I think 40 45 goals a couple years and so dad's down there the locker room one day and Tim goes oh can I beat your own man come here yes yeah come on over so it comes out and and my dad says oh Tim pledged to me says can you do me a favor you go be sure Mr how whatever you want to go because he says next time you're our national TV because all the games weren't on TV he says you know when and we were standing

in the front of the net Tim was 232 32 big strong man with soft hands and guys he's just crossjack him in the back of the neck back lady says next time my guy's doing that to you

you're on national TV I want to drop your glove and just smoke the guy and Tim he was such a

mild man or guy and Tim he goes oh okay Mr how old I think about it once a month later we're putting in New York Ranger night I don't know if it was Tommy Laylar somebody they're hitting Timmy from behind you couldn't move anyway Timmy drops his gloves just starts wailing on the guy

“and yeah but that's what's a Gordy but he had the mindset that this is going to he said you have to”

do it on national TV so everybody sees what you're doing and it might think you're a little wacko and really I do this next time I might be the one getting the punch in the face and he said it's going to give you that much more time if I have not much more time you're going to score that many more goals and it's true but then Timmy scored 50 to 55 gold and four years in row after that but it's just brilliant it's really it's stopped at most most people would not think of you talk about

all these crazy sticks to the face elbows but his penalty minutes weren't that crazy word the refs afraid to give him penalty that like he would spare a ref in the face too because like his penalty minutes aren't that crazy as highest ever was a hundred nine yeah well you used to be how to get away with a little bit more to 500 now this is like just throw it to him off the face off please well I get somebody asked me this and how Gordy doing today's NHL I go I said he

couldn't play and it'll really is a league that good I go now I'd be suspended the entire time so but but he he was talking about I remember back in the day with uh go away back and he was telling me about one red story and some of these guys were referring so you're going back in the 40s and 50s uh pre my time and if you had a young guy come out and if somebody was doing something that taken liberties or doing whatever they let the game they let the game get police by the

players in the referees just kind of put on their blinders and they said okay the players are going to level level the playing field and they're going to take care of it on their own we don't need to call all the penalty so yeah but it was even a mighty I used to laugh so I'm going to the Stanley Cup finals I said it wasn't getting a slash in a face or two or three stitches if it wasn't at least ten stitches there wasn't a penalty it wasn't called and I don't know I I like that that

way I would rather have the players decide then in the referee I refrees and we all hate them but

“they they have a really tough job and and I think the last thing a ref would want was to”

call a penalty on somebody and it results in a power play goal and and you win a Stanley Cup and a game seven I don't think that's good for anybody and so yeah but back in the day obviously the the referees had a blind eye to everything I mean we've we've mentioned the great the pressure in the center view train rides the games which is which is just nuts to think about you mentioned how he he wasn't much of a talker before games and even during the game now I think

he would go with the boys and have beers and and and and that type of stuff would not really I mean

not from the time that I knew when I would go to gain and and throughout if my dad had more than two beers maybe once or twice in his lifetime you know and he he learned a long time ago and he pointed this out to me in Houston as well and he'd say look at this guy look at this guy look at this guy he said they're they're creeping the 30 and he goes you're 18 he goes it's now when you decide how many years you want to play because if you take care of yourself

you're going to be able to play a lot of years if you don't take care of yourself he said with the exception of very few people by the time you're getting 30 32 your career is going to be

“over and I didn't always listen to him but but it was true and I and I think that's how”

kind of he led his life and I and that's how you know and our it was that way at home too I remember one time I think we it was a first or they had the igloo and Pittsburgh and one of the trainers for the red wings was six so I ended up being the I got to go on the road trip is around Christmas time and so I was the the assistant trainer for the wings on that day and so the team flew in I think they were getting $20 the expense money so the guys are running to McDonalds or something

then they'd go and sit and it was a go-go bar and but I'm sitting there and guys are having a beer too and I'm just kind of watching the girl come out or a go-go boots on a dad go

look time for you to get out of here oh yeah yeah but it was no I never I never ever saw my father

drunk never saw my mother drunk like so they they generally always took very good care of themselves

“that way he was almost ahead of his time yeah you know because back then that wasn't the thing”

and he knew he could see ahead but I want to I want to ask a couple things about your career after your dad retired when you got to the NHL because you get on the flyers after the whalers and yet some incredible teams I mean the two cup finals and I'm wondering like when you got there we were you we were appreciative of like the NHL like yeah I'd been in the WHA but this is different this is kind of a level above in the WHA there's no longer around I'm pretty happy now that I'm

getting to carve out my own career at the highest level yeah so we we went through that I mean you grow up I know I grew up and I said you know my life long dream was to plan an actual hockey legal and stand like up and you know so now I'm in the WHA and after four years part of our deal was we were free agents and I've been dragged I've been drafted by the Boston Bruins and all my God I wanted to go to the Boston Bruins so bad and it was just dying to go and at the time they

offered me they offered me a five-year contract that paid the 230 grand a year and I'm like like this is growing up plus I wanted to go but but if I went to Boston Gordy what I had to retire and so and I could Gordy wasn't gonna play against his sons in this net and so and the hard for whalers they offered us the deal that we're Marty Dan I could still play together and you know and for me it was even for less money but I was still settling to stay in the WHA because I wanted

to get to the NHL so bad and I had a chat with my mom and we spent about five ten minutes and yeah

I became pretty obvious and yeah just I would never ever regret not just the seven years that I

played with on the same team as my father and my brother but yeah so that that was always there in the back of my head and then a couple years later the league's merged and my career started out and hard for the league so I played defense when I first got going I was learning and learning and

“and I think the second year I think I was seventh or eighth in scoring in the league and I”

went to and things were good and I went to really bad injury I got skewered on and that and you can find anything in the world on YouTube where you can't find my injury so almost ended your career right what do you mean skewered what does that mean like yeah well the way that that's used to be where you had to you had the pegs and then they used to condo a point right in the middle and then that's where designed for the puck to hit and deflected the netting so they didn't do

winning out so quick so they wouldn't mess it all and so you know I was sliding towards our net and had John Tenelli and I kind of collided and I lost my balance and went in so and I had a bad back my whole career so I put my feet up to absorb the shock with the net and as I did that the middle part of that net came up and it's like a spear and what it did it it went in it scraped my

and I basically came out my right hip and I ended up losing I was down like 22 23 pounds or whatever

for the longest time and I came back and played six weeks later I shouldn't have my god but you wouldn't get back on the day and that's those are the things you did Mike Rogers with a heck of a player too we both got hurt within the same time because we were eight's place overall

“in the league and then I think six weeks later we're in 18th and so in the top 16 would make it so”

yeah you're trying to come back you're trying if I was 170 pounds I was a weak noodle and but that precipitated things happening where the manager became unhappy with me I was unhappy with me I was not a good hockey player the next year I was still only playing 178 pounds and um so I think you know it was today's game yeah I probably wouldn't have played for probably three four months at least and but then things we became very unsettled and hard for and so I kind of requested

a trade they couldn't get rid of me fast enough and I I gave a chance at the ranger the islanders ruins or the flyers trade me one of the because I didn't know trade us it gave me one of those four teams and as it worked I got traded the flyers and absolutely loved every second that I played there because the way I was taught how to play the game and it's all about team then matter who gets all the goals who gets the credit it's all about team and and good character and that was the organization

especially back in the 80s and yeah being a part of those teams me then the national hockey league and and by stroke a lot like I said so I played basically about a year and a half a defense I went through

that bad injury and but when I came to filly a guy who I've always credited was Eddie van Ep and

Eddie Van Ep form a flyer and Eddie if anybody watched him play like I could skate circles around Eddie with one skate on I think but with Eddie playing defense if you got anywhere within two feet that net you were going to leave six inches shorter I you like one of the hardest toughest guys you ever seen play and East come on he says like he says you're you're you're you're in the running for the Norris trophy what am I going to teach you and I said Eddie

I nobody's ever taught me anything about playing defense so I used to play the games and then uh on prism would an now comp cast an infinity they would replay the games at one o'clock so after the game I'd go have a couple beer bite eat drive home get home a one and I used to watch the replay of the games and there would be four or five or you know hopefully only one or two where I made mistakes in the game and I would have to sit and watch that whole game to the god to the point

“of where I made a mistake then I tried to analyze what I did wrong and that's how I tried to”

learn how to be a better different and Eddie van him told me how he played the game within his limitations physical limitations and so I used and he gave me those guidelines and those guidelines helped me so much positionly and helped me with the way I thought the game so now instead of wasting all my energy chasing people around the rate because I'm in the wrong position now I'm in the right position and all I got to do is read and react boom and and actually helped my game offensive

way as well because now you could save your energy for offense so Eddie van him with instrumental in

my career and and and also I had a great defend my first partner with Glen Cochran who

absolutely loved and got arrested so and and then another god arrested so my best friend from hockey Brad McCremmon and then I then I played with Shell Samus and who probably some of you guys know as well so you know I I was very lucky I'd three three great partners when I was playing there and you know a couple of you guys played Ryan and Keith you guys played defense it's not a one-man show it's it takes a team and every day I practice you know we worked hard together as a team or as a pairing and

“that's what made us better was it just like staying inside the dots kind of a little bit like”

was he just talked positionally wise would van him just talk about not running out to the boards we didn't need to little things like that protecting the middle of the ice yeah yeah that and then positioning your hips so like if I'd be if I'd be back and backing down so you got to you know three on two whatever I'm backing and and I could close gaps pretty quick and then which wasn't really a thing back in the day now it is but it has I'm backing and if I turn myself on an angle here

and I'm backing if I'm going towards the corner what if I pivot I can pivot 180 degrees when I pivoting and I'm heading towards maybe where the line is in the on the boards in the corner

of leverage on me he's gonna beat me because I'm going against him but so Eddie would say okay you might be able to move sideways like that but keep your keep your hips straight either straight or towards the net so you're kind of going like little sideways and by doing that so now when I pivot now I pivot for the near post and I'll care who it is they weren't gonna beat me to that near post and so and it's such a tiny little thing and you know so but yeah and then he used to

teach me about the players and he said boom pop pops out of the offensive blue line they got a two on one and instill he goes who do you want to shoot and I go okay I want this guy over here to shoot because he's got four goals you know yeah we're here it's got 25 so I would instantly I would run over to the guy that's got 25 goals and he had thrown it to the guy he's got four then I sit there and try and play in the eyes I go okay it's a it's not a 201 it's a 212

but I'm given my goal the best odds to make that state so it's simple little things that I

I never thought about but that's part of I like the experience of defense you buy you know

you're improving your skills you're improving your ability but now so you're improving how you think the game and you know so you see he said basically you as a defense and you dictate who you want to shoot the pot so and I know check the game yeah and there's some some guys can score from you know bread hall could score from 40 50 feet readlars and could score from outside to blue like Alma Guinness so those are the guys you had to have a tight gap when you're 60 feet away

with a lot of guys they can shoot the pot from 30 feet all day and also if you got no number of rush he goes just keep the guy wide and if he shoots and scores from there I'll get you a different goal he can stop the pot do you do your job let them do their job and so yeah break Gordie and to figure that guy out yeah yeah but he helped me a ton not many guys go from being a forward to being up for a Norris do you remember where the highest you finish in

Norris voting at any point in your career probably the closest I came would be my first year in

Philly and the way I looked at it I was a better defenseman the year the first half year in Hartford like so I was seventh or eighth in scoring at the time in the league and I was 25 or what I was really on top of my game and and just starting to really blossom and but in Philly to me it was more

“of a team thing and actually I think I was kind of the favorite coming down to the last maybe five”

six weeks we were playing a game I think it was Chicago and I fell on a skate what I did it kind of cut some of my kidneys because I was bleeding for about 10 days so I think I wasn't allowed to do anything for I think it was two weeks I sat out but it took me probably three months to get my energy levels back and I go over that three months then my game had gone down a little bit and rod lane way one and but but they brought Gordie in to present the Norris at year because

they ever thought I was going to win it so Gordie was disappointed and then I got interviewed and everybody saw my guys it's terrible but I said nah I go I'm playing on a team and at the time I was only playing 24 25 minutes a night I go this is a team concept here I go what rod lane way to he got the caps into the playoffs say your rod lane was playing 30 minutes a night I go he's more

“valuable to his team than I am to my team that's how I looked at it but I do think if I didn't”

get hurt that year got my kidney I probably I probably would have won the next another year when I had my best statistical year I think it was 86 or whatever my criminal high we were part we

used to last plus 85 I don't know I had 80 something points but my criminal I every day when I never

read paper we were looking to paper just see what Paul coffee did cause coffee broke Bobby Orange record at year and what Brad and I together we were trying to keep up with coffee. It's cost didn't have that year then I I think I would have won that year too but I think I was I laughed because I think I was one of the finalists for the MVP with the Gretts and Mario and I'm going yeah okay that you're just sure that's guy in there but but no I like to me I was more about

team and the one thing I used to do in Philly is whenever you may know I'll start team or you want to award you I think you used to get like a $2,000 little reward from the league or whatever

“and so I instituted the rule that if you want to league award that you you got to keep half”

the money to give to Uncle Sam the other half you had to treat the team so I love that every time

for about five hours and yeah so because you're not waiting for that on the cement bag you're on

“your hotel room like all that and go go go go go. We we get back to the room and I'd have Brian”

prop it and we were at the LAX Mariam Brian property hitting golf balls all off my balcony so I just want to ask with Philly Ed Schneider like in what he meant to you very few owners had that much of a connection in the locker room that would come down so I don't know how many guys we back then but yeah especially for back then I just wanted you to touch on him and what he meant to the organization and maybe a reason why you wanted to go to Philly to begin with.

I wanted to go to Philly just because I I thought they were one of the best teams in the league and and I won like I won national championship every year growing out one of the memorial cut

came second the Olympus I won used to finishing second and then we had two is a heart for

we didn't make the play I hated losing didn't necessarily love to win but I hated losing and the four teams and Philly was one of those teams and but yeah Ed Schneider still to this day for guys who played here he he's the reason why and I think the way the organization was and if somebody was there and they didn't fit into the mix they were gone in a heartbeat you didn't you weren't necessarily the most skilled or talented player but you had character and you competed

for the guy next to you not for yourself but for the guy next to you and then that tradition was instilled in Bobby Clark and and I have the opportunity to play two years with Clark he and

“that's that's how Clark he was and he was dedicated to the team and everything else and then”

that kind of fills her down to the next generation Dave Poole was the next captain of Dave was a prime example of that so but but it all started with Ed Schneider and and what I logged is

he just had he had a passion for the game like absolutely incredible and I think it was I think

an 80 85 the first time we went to the finals and and we and we lost we got beat up pretty bad by Hamilton but after I had a big party behind his house and and I remember it was half raining out and Ed had a few cocktails and he was happy the way I was playing and he can more and he's going to tackle me well stubborn me I'm not going to tackle me I'm not going down I remember good and the car going home later I saw I should have just let her take me to the ground so

sorry though I messed up I stubborn me I couldn't do it now but but I love that I I he can I see him come in that room and boy if we had a bad loss and all he'd be just steaming but to me I love that passion and and and Mr. Ehrlich and Detroit was very similar where I mean they they're all about team victories and team went and I don't think you can win when last year on your ownership is bought in a hundred percent and yeah and both of those owners were and it's felt especially

Ed Snyder they bought in a hundred percent and they just wanted to win you know they meant a lot to both those guys Mr. Ehrlich and Ed Snyder you know they meant a lot when you know people still now we're still talking about them still thanking them in their speeches and what they

meant to those teams so that that's amazing and were you were were you around when they were go to that

bar that ended up burning down and then they all wore the the arm bands but they like they had this place they would go to after that well that was that was Rexie's bar I think I think that was Rexie years ago the old the broads trade boy guys that's where we went we went to we call it the K-Mart as commenskies so yeah it was right across from the rink right well no not not the I there was actually back in the old WHA when the New York gold blades folded they came down they had to play

like two months in Jersey and there was there was shrink they played at Jersey and then I don't know like I don't know some four years later I'm playing at Philly and I'm sitting in this bar I go oh my

“god I remember that really we played there years ago but yeah I think the Rexie's bar was fairly”

like I think it was just over the river where the spectrum used to be and I think it was just in Jersey maybe a lot of people don't even think of you as being an American guy and playing on the Olympics just kind of want to get your thoughts on the Olympics this year who you who you like what you think USA is going to do it this year or you think Canada holds strong I think it's going to come down to just a break here there you go about your one simple play I mean you you go or a matchup I mean

look last year there was an icing they couldn't get icing on the ice Matthews takes a face off and boom

it comes down to one play but I think at the US guy if you learn little lessons from those little

“things and when you at that level of competition that's what the difference is so I mean I I”

I I when I was 16 and you know I got invited to go play on the Olympics out in Japan and I say I want a great experience for me I kind of like about I think it's better entertainment when you have the best players in the world but I like the better when it was more amateurish just for because to me the greatest victory I think that I've ever seen was the the 1980 team and the upset over the Soviets you know I don't know if there's anybody had anything to do with hockey in the

US I didn't think I was such a phenomenal thing yeah so but what made it so great was you got the devoted Soviets that are just kind of dominated international high because they had basically the best of their best and you got a bunch of college kids coming in there and I think they would

“if they would have played 50 games they won the one game that they had to and to me that's what”

makes it so great we know kind of what you're up to as you get older and you're done playing in all that but I'm curious for Gordy did he end up going like would he go down to Florida and the winters like as you know his life got older and he got older was he playing a ton of golf when he retired and that's they a big part of his life well he used to do the do some public appearances

now my mom was always busy doing stuff but they used to go down to see us to key every year they used to

run a place for for two months and they usually did it near playoff time so I never had a chance to go but my kids would go and all the grandkids and they used to get a couple condos and buy people down so they did that every year but you know then my mom started actually my my died from a disease called PIX disease which has a form of dementia but she started to get ill I think when she was maybe 57 58 years of age so it hit really really really on in life and dad basically dedicated his

“life to taking care of his wife and my my mother and you know I just show and that's what was”

important to him and all the profile stuff didn't matter but but every year I know I had some buddies had boats down the Virgin Islands and and for a Christmas gifts or I don't know like so I've had a 43 foot sport fishing that I had for years 40 years now in Jersey that had ton but I used to buy plain tickets and this and that and so I used to bring you my parents down or take them on different vacations and we did that and then after mom passed and I was in the

Detroit and I kept on the caregiver that my mother had a kept her on for about three months five days a week just to be my dad's companion and and but I would I would change my schedule because I used to go to the I would scout out at Detroit usually about every three to four weeks just to spend a little time with dad and I went in one day and he's looking at a team pitcher from 46 and he he looks and goes he's dead he's dead he's dead and he pointed

to himself he goes I'm as well be dead too I got whoa dead time out time out so I called it was great Detroit and being with the scouting and I I could adjust my own schedule so

I quickly changed everything I called Marty and Connecticut and I said here's what happened I

said if I don't get that out of the house he's not gonna be around long and so I rented a car drove back to Philly and had him live with me for about two months but that I told Martin I said I got to start because the red ones were still in a Western conference at the time so I said I'm basically going to be gone for almost two months traveling so I need you to take care of dad so we would switch dad back and forth but then what we did for the next eight years or so

Marty would always schedule a trip down in Florida we'd go to Ilamorada with some friends we had down there we take dad's and I just had to have a gamer too on my scheduled Donna Fort Lauderdale and I'd go spend four or five days down there and Marty bring him down and we go sail fishing for with our friends at Phil Potch and then then in like sitting the fall when I I'd have to go to training camp up in Traver City let's ship that off to Connecticut as soon as I got back

I said I did I did all my games Bridge for it's Frankville whatever and you know we would go straight fast fishing and then I would get him all summer long and so and he loved fishing I'd get him out in the wire we'd do our own clam and everything else and so and there wasn't one

on younger brother Murray and you know for about a year or so my dad's unbelievable that's a family right there yeah and you can't like so I'm kind of going through the

“same thing here so I've been February 16th I think it'll be five years since Sharon got her”

injection and she's needed permanent help and in our ways for all your sacrifice and this I said I'm not sacrificing anything I'm with a person who gave me more emotionally that anybody else in my lifetime and I'd have to be the most selfish in the individual of the world to to give that up to take care of her and yeah it helps me to get out and run a little bit but I have help I mean I would not be able to do this without helping so so I do this and

then and I booked free time with my family with my kids my grandkids and then I know what the flowers alumni is really strong Brad March has done a superb job here and they do a lot of things with the flowers warriors oh yeah I went a bunch of years ago there he he doesn't incredible job remember we went there yeah and I saw I tried it it's almost everything I do they have the Gordie how cares event up in Calgary every May to raise money for all for nurses for all

timers and then and then we do a ton of stuff with the charity my mom dad created the health foundation so so basically you know I'm here taking care of Sharon but whenever I have free time it's with family or it's doing charitable events that because and that basically

it was started by my mother my mother always wanted to get back more than what they received and

“so and it's and we've been lucky I think dad passed like nine years ago now and we've been able”

to raise little over I think we're like 550,000 we've been able to donate and we're trying to go to okay we've done some stuff down in Houston we did a real nice donation up in Saskatoon where dad's from and trying to work around the country where mom and dad had some impact or the community impacted their lives and and it's been great and filly with the Snyder Hawking Cider Foundation anybody wants to donate so every dollar we donate they kick in too so I think

we're we're we're a little over 300,000 so between the two of us together we're close to million dollars which maybe in some world doesn't mean a lot but I know from my mother it would mean a lot to get back to other people and like and it kind of boils down to yeah my grandmother gave up two dollars and it got a pair of skates and one of the greatest hockey players if not the greatest hockey player ever came out of that two dollars so we hope

someday we can we can do that for somebody else. Getting to playing Detroit and it kind of common full circle like getting to end your career their house special was that for you in the fact that you grew up you know watching your father play for the red wings and then finally getting to dawn that jersey. Oh yeah it was pretty special and actually I and I love playing Philadelphia so I was here ten years and unfortunately I went through back surgery and I really

struggled with it afterwards and and I tried to play within a month which was a dumb thing and they cost me time but eventually got to the point where I felt like I'd play pretty well 60 games and

and it came kind of in like I said I'd never want to Stanley Cup as a player and that was my goal

is a kid I wanted to win a Stanley Cup and I knew at the time Billy was in a rebuild and and I had to go somewhere so I put a list of four teams together and I had a good friend of mine Ed Farron I said here I'm just called four teams if I can't land I wanted these four teams I'm staying at Philly because I like and so the New York Rangers gave me a one year offer Lou Lamarillo called me from Jersey he said if you're seriously going to the Rangers please

give me a call back we don't want you going there I called the Troy to ask for you to your contract and they they got in the mix but the team I actually wanted to go to was a pitcher of

Penguin and so I put in a call and red put in a call for me and they never returned my call

and I felt it was the best chance and so and but the most natural fit was for me to go back home

“to Detroit Detroit was second on my list and but and by far the best thing I ever did so I”

and I spent 29 years in that organization and what a great organization and but yeah so so I had three I ended up playing three more years instead of two uh well the Rangers want to cup uh or pitcher want to cup Rangers want to cup the day is yeah well yeah well at least I got to the finals though my third year and we lost to the devil so I want to Detroit Detroit had so many

everything you play guys were still learning how to be how to win uh and which Scotty Ballman came there that kind of changed a lot of a lot of minds a lot of attitudes uh and Scotty got that thing put together and Steve Eisenberg became the great player that he was and was Sergey Federoff and and uh yeah I was roommates and partners with uh like it so they brought Brad McCrimon and I and there to to play with some of these younger guys and uh I guess we taught him what not to do

and uh but we play with Nick and Blattie and got the room with these guys and just wonderful wonderful human beings but yeah they uh and then once Scotty put his little tweak on the team and uh between Kenny Hall and Jimmy Devolano uh uh they built a heck of a team and um yeah and the rivalry was used to have a Colorado I still think of the best I ever saw in hockey but uh uh yeah

“it's but that's how you ended up in Detroit so what I and I wanted to and they gave me a two year”

playing contract and a two year to your contract to uh begin working off the ice so I knew I have guaranteed four years there because my oldest son had just started high school and he was cursing me every day from moving and um my daughter was uh just started mental school so I didn't want to move my kids real quick so we moved it to Detroit and uh actually my son while the son who did not want to move still lives there so uh yeah I was uh but it was it was

I was very fortunate things worked out my favorite but uh I think the first six exhibition game we played was against the penguins and Craig Patrick was sitting on the bench and I knew

Craig a little bit I went out and I said why did you never return my call and he said we knew we

couldn't afford you I said this was I said this wasn't about money it really wasn't about money I wanted to go win a Stanley coppin uh but yeah I never regretted the fact that I went to the

“red wings and uh in part of the fact and he and my brother Marty to this day so I wish I would”

a war uh wish I had a chance to play in a red wing uniform one game and um so I don't know if you got that hurt so the story my dad told me on the he was about a month six weeks after I retired dad come that to me he goes boy I wish you would a war my jersey one game and I so why did you tell me that's when I was still playing it so when I was fortunate enough to get in the hockey Hall of Fame and uh that was the first thing I thought of I said well I'm getting into war

Gordie's jersey for him up on stage yeah so I kind of made up for it I think Mark this has been

just as incredible and I think the stories of of your dad and your own career like the main

take away from me is your family like that is that is incredible to hear how close knit you guys were and what you meant to each other and what you're doing now and what you meant to the game yeah and what you meant to the game so this is this is an all-time interview we can't thank you enough

“yeah and really do appreciate sharing all these stories because I think it's so important for”

the younger generation to keep hearing these stories of what your dad meant to the league what you meant to the league and to hear these stories from yeah to hear these stories from you it was incredible honor for us and thank you so much yeah oh my god thanks for all the memories get a chance to watch you guys play so a lot of good stuff some funny stuff too but uh now you

I had y'all a great career as one of the dad always said he was like there's only six seven

hundred guys that playing the league they're the best in the world and uh have a little respect for all of them because they're they're good at what they do and everybody had their role and uh yeah and it was it was a great it was it uh it's been a good game to a lot of people I know you guys can say that I can say that but as you get older the thing that I appreciate more as family the family in the background and and I know my dad gets so much credit but without her

doubt uh the backbone of the house family was my mother Colleen so uh she she was a strength and I'll give you one more gordy story so uh just for what we end so I always be Marty home from school so I used to run home Marty always took the bus but I ran home so I could play hockey more in the driveway I came home one day Marty's sitting at the kitchen table and hanging his head and I go Marty what's going on he said well he said kidda school was making fun of dad in the

red wings so I popped him in the nose and I got suspended and so uh so my mom can't wait to split level him on comes running down and she thought it was dad so she comes down she's yelling at me and yelling and Marty back upstairs she goes don't know about two hours later dad comes home from practice and uh so dad goes what's going on well my mind here's him she comes down and she's given dad hell she says y'all your teacher kids violence you're teaching this where you teach him this you're

teaching that and everything else dad's just blind side of mind goes running back upstairs and so dad looks smart he goes what's going on he goes says dad he said the guy sitting behind me

at a pop and he said he started cutting up against Marty camera pop the guy broke his nose

“so dad sitting there and he he's looking at the stairs like this he goes out of Marty”

taps him on the shoulders it's good job oh what I know so Gordon Gordon but no but Gordon Gordon led by example uh but my colleague my mother calling was the the the the back bone in the family structure and um you can't replace family they're uh they're with life's all about and as

you guys know you get a really good lock room they're your second family they're uh they're uh

so we're lucky but I had a fun time and uh and join it thank you so much I just want to say one thing it uh when uh when uh Gretts had his goal record broken by Ovi and just that whole ceremony and then Wayne basically saying how Gordon treated him when Wayne broke his record and I I'm sure you around for all that and I just thought it was so cool about how he passed the torch to over to Wayne and how Wayne was able to pass it over to Ovi and just how cool that whole thing wasn't here

in the background to it and also how how your mother uh gave a gift to Janet and then Janet gave one to Ovi's wife as well so just said it means it said in the example and uh there's a reason as names Mr. Hawke and uh true legend of the game yeah so yeah I remember a text and Wayne I said yeah I really appreciate him bringing up mom and dad uh but like it's I I remember a dad's shouldn't I I actually I wasn't sure who felt worse near Wayne uh I know how hard it was on him and

uh Gordon was his idol growing up but uh but yeah Wayne's been an incredible when a crab

will hockey player and uh love playing against him you don't get embarrassed a few times but uh but yeah

“he's uh he came along when the game really needed somebody uh and he's been I think a wonderful ambassador”

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thank you so much to Mark how I really want to sit down with him again because busy you said it like that was there was plenty more in the tank in the stories and buddy everyone knows about gordie house toughness right like mr. hockey the gordie how hatchick but Mark how come in back after getting split in the rear end by the net and coming back that quick in the amount of time people would miss now like apple salt doesn't fall far from the tree in terms of toughness and just a

“great dude man it was a blast to talk to and was it I think it was his son who had been telling”

him he's got to go on right is that said it was so long go I don't know oh we did that appearance in in Philadelphia or maybe I'd went back when I was doing a big deal brew uh um what do you call it like okay big deal alright p baby for now it's on the shelf for now can you stand down yeah I have fours you down um but uh they it was like uh throw back night and they and uh he was there and I'm like oh we'd love to get you on so I'm glad we finally did and uh yeah he should be on

he should be on once a month for all the stories he's got Keith showed up Brent Burns okay you were now third all time in consecutive games played he passed you this week he is now 74 games away from passing Phil Custle is the Iron Man and boy this guy coming into the league as a forward then he switches to D he's played forever he's still playing at a very high level on the best team

“in the league he's an amazing person we got to sit down with him a while back I think it was west coast”

wagon tour out in San Jose we did outside of his house we did outside of his house and he just the way that he's kind of gone through his career in terms of like takes the RV all summer with his family works out in Walmart parking lots well he's used to in that he bought a ranch in Texas okay now he's got like a thousand acre ranch in Texas he like well it was all part of the streak it was all broadcasting of the NHL rock and I don't know if we've told everyone we sat down

with Brock Lesnar that interview's coming out soon and it's incredible too so fire it up for

some interviews coming but Matt Phil and yourself while both incredible players very offensive players right not overly physical Brent Burns is kind of a different beast to be approaching this and you know knock on wood here 74 games remaining but it's just insane that he's played this many in a row the way he's gone about playing his entire career so I want you to speak on how hard it was for you and listen we've already both said that you weren't a physical player like I was fucking

Scott Stevens and you played about eight hours after losing 10 teeth and after breaking your foot so you went through a lot but he's he's played a different style to make this happen yeah 100% and all all the credits in him and I go back even to cogly on all the way that he played you know guy who was had the race for a long time even when I had it I was kind of like it's cogly onos it should have been his he got that one game suspension but those guys just played

different game and honest game they're they're not full mingle in when a puck's coming in like you know maybe I was they're they're you know first on the forecheck they're first back getting the puck like Brent Burns is one of those guys who he's a big body and he has to play against a lot of guys that are big bodies and he's battling every single night everyone's trying to hit him every

“single night because remember him in San Jose like how offensive he was but he he wasn't giving up”

anything defensively just playing hard in all three zones you know but he's also one of those guys

too like you never knew what was in his backpack he you just knew how dialed in he was to his game

and being ready to play and getting his body right and there's there's no there's no mistaken of why he's able to do this because he obviously puts in the effort he puts in the effort on the ice and then off the ice as well so complete credit to him that's unbelievable you know accomplishment for him to do that the way that he plays for how long he's played and that like he said but it doesn't look like he stopped in any time now especially on that team if he's able to

stay there for next two or three years even though he's 40 years old is he 40 yet yeah boys there's three guys left the oldest guys in league were from my draft right now night we can carry one Perry Browns in in oldies in 85 but he was a late birthday so he actually wasn't my draft so two guys from my draft left three of which are our our 1985 born and I don't know how much time oldies got left I didn't him in the worm are going to be the last guy standing

Bernsey seems like he hasn't slowed down he slowed down the least out of any wall for a drag I don't

the one of the reasons that Perry's continually being given contracts and playing is because if anyone does something to a teammate is he'll fight them he'll spear like that is Corey Perry buddy like that off the opening face off against Buffalo today I just say hey welcome back boys

41 years old 41 years old or whatever so yeah shuttle bread burns and it's incredible and

before we get to the eastern conference race biz it was a great conversation on TNT we've had a lot it doesn't have to be long here but looking at the central and looking at what the western conference first round would look like if it was one through eight I'm completely on board now like I don't get this and granted I gave Colorado the central couple weeks ago Dallas is three points

“behind them I think they haven't lost in regulations since the end of January right is that the”

16 and it's crazy especially no ran and then like that is it's not it's not so me given Colorado division was stupid obviously I said it in the opposite happened and just looking at the fact Minnesota they lost it to Ronald they've lost it I think three straight loss home games three years old buddy so every team's gonna go through a little bit of a cold spell here you don't want it to have you don't want this to leak into the playoffs you can hopefully get things

figured out but buddy the way you guys showed it on TNT like Minnesota right now would get you Todd that would be the three six matchup right and it's a lot more fair to them and buddy you talk could you you toss a fun team to watch that wouldn't be an easy out but whether it's Colorado or Dallas it's like come on here man and and and the others would have to pay for where

“they're at right they would end up getting Colorado I think first round right now and oh no that”

would I think oilers would end up with Dallas I guess but but but but but getting punished for not having a yes regular season as it's her goal yes exactly so I just I I think it goes down to a few things you hockey you could argue between football and hockey are the hardest sports to play 82 games is a lot of fucking games compared to 18 you know maybe if you're alignment or running back it's a different situation but to have to play 82 games and go through that schedule

to not be rewarded if you're finishing second in your in your conference to play and then you all of a sudden get delivered the third place team that's ridiculous you could have not literally the second and third place teams in the overall standings in the league and keep in mind these teams played majority of their teams against Western team matchups so they had on even harder regular season than the Eastern teams okay on top of the travel and you got jobs and livelihoods at stake

“and if you're an owner of a team like Minnesota you haven't been out I think they're they've lost”

their last eight first round matchups they've been out so you have the opportunity you make these trades to make your team better you take your staff it's spending even more money on the cap to put a better roster together and all of a sudden you're you're finished third place in the league and you're starting the the playoffs on the road what if they get beat in in in in in five or six games let's say six games you get three home games they could how much gate revenue you're losing

out where let's say they get you toss the first round matchup and they bring them to six or seven games well if you were seven games you get four home games and even if you end up meeting Dallas in the next round and you lose fucking what what do you think what do you think a team like Minnesota

pulls in on a playoff game two million bucks how much two million I would say on the low end yeah

maybe yeah maybe three I think Edmonton's pulling in like seven or eight million I know but every single fan has a jersey that's true but it's just like to me like for that reason and jobs being at stake because if you're if you don't get past the first round and and you're at the helm for three four years they're going to look to make a change right maybe not Billy G because of the grace that he has and everybody obviously knows he's very talented at what he does but majority of

GM's you'd be out the door or or or that GM would be being pressured by ownership to say eight something's up we got to change the coach so jobs are at stake when this is going down and I just don't understand why we're playing a hardcore 82 game schedule if it means nothing in the seating they did they did this for because they wanted more matchups in your division they wanted those the rivalries right in the playoffs and getting shit going but I think you wanted to ensure

that you would get the Pittsburgh versus Washington which they got in the second round right which were these iconic matchups in series well then you got then you got Pittsburgh and Carolina four games sweet then you got four than Carolina four game four games sweet so yeah they've ruined

yeah they're not ruined but the the conference final is never as good as the second round it's

eight the first round is still the first round there's still going to be the four and four and five the even the three and six is like they're still good matchups and also the probability like we saw when when Boston was taken down by Florida like that was an iconic series yeah

“so I think that I if they want to stay stubborn and they feel like the way they're doing it”

is better for the overall like revenue side of it I guess it's like maybe hard to argue but I'm not trying it one year try it that's I've been and you've already done it you've done it

yeah always I read beating this drum they they they'll throw the tradition in your face well they just

moved it to 84 games yeah do you know how I said move it to 76 games why not do why not do a best on best year remember remember how I said move to 76 people said oh yeah you think they're going to give up that gate well why don't you try to do the plans in that year why don't you test it one year were you open up the three or one game I think you do two or three yeah but all but all at the higher seed what do you mean so so if oh so don't travel if 10's playing eight or whatever it would

be 10's playing seven and nine's playing eight the eight the seven and the eight they get they get all three home games if it goes to the third okay all right that okay so seven and eight would get the home games against the the nine and ten yeah I like that okay I bet teams would like that too I mean if you're an owner you like that yeah and even the owners who aren't getting the gate well hey we got to win two games in the road and then we get we get at least at least two home

playoff games so yeah but also you could work out a system where it it becomes a kitty in a pot where it's it's it's it's revenue collection where all owners benefit from this that's why I said do it in a best on best year especially the one that you control it like throw the Olympic year in the toilet okay because you're not able to to generate any revenue they do not pay the NHL or the owners for borrowing their high-end talent to go grow the game and I can get the frustration from the ownership

“side on that because they're using their assets to go better I think it's a disc that's why I was”

my mind about the rink situation it's like all the Olympics you're gonna fucking treat hockey like it's peasantry and not how the rink and focused on that like it's not your biggest asset

how many other how many other sports had fucking 20 million people watching it maybe maybe

some of the figures skating the the two-man cock losing fucking getting 20 million people watching it I'll tell you that for free but that fucking course was done on time I didn't miss a minute of that but on the year where you're controlling best on best and you're able to monetize that which you should be based on what we just shot for nations and in Olympics do a lower do a lower amount of games focus more on in conference play do the the the the one through

well in this case one through ten seating where one through six would get the buy seven through ten would have to play the plan around that's where you get the extra gate money for the game's miss because you're only playing 76 instead of 82 well I guess 84 in this case because they didn't fucking care about tradition when it meant more dollars in their pocket and do it that way do it one year in 2028 as we're gonna get to in our next conversation when they're controlling the best on best

doing the world cup of hockey test it out see how it goes and let's fucking roll baby if you rub it if this happens busy it could be your my monolisa could be your monolisa so

“um staying with the west quickly there's one team there's one spot left boys I think everyone”

and god damn I might do this again but I think you toss in and then you got Seattle San Jose L.A. Nashville fighting for the eighth spot I I just can't say enough and I don't think anyone listening that isn't a fan of those teams can can disagree with me that like we need San Jose in this

and what's Elibrini did incredible it's just if they get in the playoffs he's MVP in my mind

100% if if he's I mean the excitement that that team has you go back to the echoing going Boston and I did get in a little shit on Twitter I kind of thought you changed goal against the order it was a little bit better um I think that's a little batting it out of the air obviously looks beautiful and he was falling over as he did it but San Jose is just it's just incredible hockey to watch and what Ryan was soft he's done there is amazing and showed out that team and

no offense to Seattle L.A. or Nashville we've seen L.A. in the playoffs Nashville credit to them they were down and out and they're somehow in the mix and Seattle is Seattle your guys is actually lighting it up there biz McMath use so we'll see what happens in the west the ease you see that goal

are playing in uh that was the Montreal the Montreal one was an Ottawa that he that he said his guy up back there lost to Ottawa but I think it was that game right okay and then even against Montreal the the goal that Elibrini scored his release and how he he almost sells it like he's going cross body like glove side and how he's able to push the puck and and I create deception as we're unreleased and he ended up scoring blocker side um I think that that one was on uh who was in that

I don't think it was Dobe as who's the other guy. Follow her. Follow her. Follow her. Follow her. On foul or so he is just remarkable and I agree if he if they make playoffs he has to be the MVP he has to. Even just just seeing the way that he plays like his game is built for playoffs like

how just the energizer bunny he's never given up on pox he's always in the mix like we need to

see him play even if you know they go out and play Colorado get swept in four games like just to have

“him on center ice while the playoffs are going on like it's a no brain but the only thing like”

L.A. fans could make an argument because you want Copetara in for his last year and congrats to him boys. Yes. Yes. Good segue, Yans. Yes. You man. I think Copetara has become the all-time long score of the Los Angeles Kings. The guy the guy has done it on both sides of the puck forever. He's a Hall of Famer and it is crazy to say like always it's like the Patrice Berger on the west like probably an overall more impressive career. I mean the offensive not dude look at the

offensive numbers Keith look at the 90 point seasons and like how much this guy's been able to do with right like yeah it's a great team's there but like it all changed when he came in it all changed and just a six foot three dominant center iceman that's been able to do it with one team is entire career and I mean a lot of a lot of expectations coming in first round pick but to then

“see him break the all-time record for points by that team it's just amazing like and I think that”

based on what I what I've seen like obviously first ball in Hall of Famer like no disrespect to Patrice Berger on but it was the same type hockey with a little bit more offensive now the pressure on a bad and more offensive if you wanted to maybe he sacrificed a little to be even better defensively but the guys just he's got 1,300 and 8 points points. Yeah I know like he's he's better than Berger on and yeah you know me and me and him we drafted the same year came in the same year

we played against each other a ton and one of those guys that you just always had respect for because like Berger on like Copa Tar like Barcob if those guys wanted to cheat the game a little bit and be more offensive and you know try to get a hundred points every year they could easily do it but they just put the team first even you saw his goal to break the record he's celebrating with his team and all he says is now let's go fucking win this game like he doesn't care about his

thing he's just a team first guy very respectful on the ice played hard but he's never doing anything

dirty like if he if you had your back turn he was yelling to let you know he was coming always always enjoyed playing against him just because of how respectful he was for the game you know what it meant and I saw any of you whether he's like you could never tell like a young kid from

“Slovenia like the fact that I could even stick in the NHL even though I think he was 11th”

overall like for him to even stick in the NHL and then to break this record of a of a L.A. King's legend like Marcel Dion like you can just tell how much the game means to him and you know how grateful he is from a small country where you know it's not a hockey first country like the move to Sweden when he was young I mean and like the the top five there I mean it's Andre Copa Tar Marcel Dion Luke Robotai Dave Taylor and Wayne Gretzky in terms of all time point so it's just incredible and

another guy who he had a prick side to him he was a big moose and he wasn't I don't think anyone

would be like always a dirty player but he didn't take any shit and all the playoffs came I mean

he's just a big body that like you couldn't really move around so his ankles are yeah like this bit the opposite of mine his like between like his his personality the way he cared himself his work ethic his game you said like sacrificing offense to to like have a better overall game yet he was still putting up like 90 hundred point seasons yeah I would say that him and Barkov to me are very similar like that would be more of the the eastern comp than then Patrice Burzron

uh his gear wear the tinted visor he's even the raccoon eyes that he has it's just him you look like a vampire I think he is a vampire no he is yeah he is he's like count Dracula another surprising or that wasn't surprising because he was bound to do that this year but surprising

on Sunday um Troy Terry came back in the lineup he actually had three assists

“ah they beat they beat Montreal but I don't all like Mason McTavish like I think maybe a little bit”

of a slow year um kind of surprised to see him scratch though and I guess visit might make sense if you did hear rumblings of like him and mint you call for nice like that was it I'm I've I've I believe I've gotten confirmation why he's been pinkies up Troy Terry did not have a hit in that game hey yes still alive stay loyal Troy don't fuck us come on Troy Troy hey if he's getting three apples quite well like no we don't need you to hit Barron we're on O-O-V-D zone start watch

and Troy what do you think's gonna happen first no he had to go into assist with in that game against

Montreal oh he just posted this and I and on the chat here and I saw this McTavish's analytics and under the hood numbers are horrendous he's also from my understanding a little bit shrubby and maybe out of shape now sometimes some of these guys it takes them a little bit into their pro careers to work off the baby fat you know he's kind of already got the shrubby cheeks so some guys have a little bit harder time hard time than others to like shed the

the body fat um and I don't know man like going back to for beak and quenville they seem like no nonsense guy when it comes to hey if they like you they like it if they don't they don't we saw

that with Trevor Zegras and they I don't want to say they make it miserable but they kind of let

you know it's like you're not our guy so it's either he's gonna take a big look in the mirror and probably hearing rumbling that his name was on the trade blocks so he can go back and have the best offseason training of his life and come back with a new attitude and a new perspective and or he ends up getting dealt in a new situation somewhere else but where we're not talking

“about him being the next captain of that team uh I think this year I don't know if I said he's”

meeting the next guy I think we're like throwing our options can place hard like yeah I like the way he goes to the net he does play hard like he's got a he he he does have to see the wires cross sometimes when he's getting pushed around a little bit and fucked with but they got a lot of young guns and a lot of options there now boys so if you're not picking up your slack they'll fucking move you just like we talked about and just like Zegras there was that contract back and

forth and when verbeaks get in question about the money you want to hand you he's not happy so he's got a war of 9% which is real bad he's got a 1% EV defense in Jayfresh hockey describes them as a slow skater a non-factor in transition poor defensively shows flashes but a lot of work to do to become a top six setty forward but if it that's only if his production increases so okay well that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't sounds like he's got a big off season ahead of him yes very true

and to the E oh final thing Ryan Smith and Utah like he's got the ring the rings get better every year they got the three year um kind of enhanced many off season to the ring for the hockey viewers he's just like giving out tickets to his sweet like randomly he'll tweet out and give out tickets to random people haven't seen a mammoth game he's exactly what you want in an NHL owner it's really

cool to see like him he just loves it biz I do always laugh now when I see him like with contracts

and anything like the money that he's spending on the jazz he's just like this is this is fucking is a front white damage next small eight million bucks a year like let me let me see it like that's my bias let me check my astray out here okay well it makes seven million for the jazz like

“we can give it anyone but he I think honestly if there was no salary cap he would spend as much”

money as humanly possible to get a winning team there 100% so like you know how we talk about the modernized coaches and guys adapting like he's the he's the prime example of ownership and how you have to be in order to track guys and they want to be he's given them out you taught jazz tickets to like trying to kind of collapse him with guys and stuff like just different I talked to weeks he was like dude it's such like a family like this guy cares so much about the play not just the hockey guy

even like the jazz like he just he bleeds that like he fucking loves it and you can tell like he's at the games he's wearing his emotions on his sleeve sitting on the glass like who wouldn't want to be part of that team so I'm actually going to be doing that with him so I'm going there on the 26 Thursday March 26 I was supposed to do a NASCAS earlier in the season and it got bumped back for whatever reason but I'm going there me Bob heathouse in Nash you're going to do in the NASCAS and then I'm

see what's going on there man it's going to be a blast we're hoping to get both of you to stop

by via zoom on the NASCAS. I talked to Nash I'll be on there. If you guys have time no problem whatsoever but it'd be nice to get you guys on there and I'm really excited to attend that and then the next morning with Nash here we're actually flying to Saint Louis to go honor Kelly Chase in the puck cancer they're not a charity game so that'll be a great time just to kind of see everybody and and go show support to you playing they they asked me to play I just like a courtesy invite like

“you should know I fuck I boys I don't know if I can I don't might not put the blades on I don't”

know I I just I have you promised me one thing if you do play sure don't do that fake fighting how they do those in the alumni games I already I already did want against cam jans in last time we were there. Yeah the cam didn't know it's fake. That's true that's true you don't like the fake fighting hands no no no cam jans and wants a real one too. He would do anything to get out there again and fight they should fly and fucking do this and I'll take care of him from out here that

rag go I'm not scared of you guys on the outline here we got is Ottawa too far out I say no chance all over this weekend boys much we all lose us to Anna I'm in San Jose at home and Ottawa beats

them both first game I think all Mark shut out and then the next night's Sunday they play them again

right like they're not playing rhyme or they're in no position to not you know give all Mark a ride all right and and he gave up for on like I think a twenty shots twenty two shots but they got the win seven four Ottawa right now boys james dothi had a tweet made me laugh he's like I don't know if Ottawa is going to miss the playoffs or win the Easter conference and go to the

“cup final like that's how kind of jackal and hide they can be but if you look all right so”

they are there three points out of the eighth spot which is the wings they got a game in hand but they're five points out of the third spot in the Atlantic which is Montreal now I

I think all gets in dude I don't know Detroit they got a huge point in Dallas they were down

to Dallas Dallas doesn't lose games when they're off but I think it was too nothing and then up time they lost in overtime I definitely made an incorrect tweet has gut wrenching loss for Detroit now the fans are like dude we just got a point out about we needed that I was more just thinking if they could have got the win in OT it would have been enormous but I like Ottawa's chances to get in in I if Omar can play as well as he did against Anaheim he doesn't even have to be excellent

doesn't have to get shut outs just have something there they get in like dude if you finish if you finish um if you win the Atlantic or you win the Metro and you got to play Ottawa like that's not that's not something I'm dying for if I'm a team who wins my division so like their chance I know they're out right now Detroit let's see what goes on there Boston the race and the East is excellent even the hunters in Pittsburgh they're at 81 Columbus can catch them or the the wild cards

bots so I don't know if you guys think you're leaning into which teams are gonna get in but right now in the East Buffalo safe Tampa safe Carolina safe after that boys it's like I consider five spots available maybe four if you're a Ottawa like you got to go to your gold tending just be like hey we're riding you the rest of the year like there's no I think he knows that how many back to back so you know maybe on the back to back he doesn't play but he's got to play

90 five percent of these games coming in what he played the back to back this weekend and and dude Ottawa would be them them getting in and battling Toronto to then take the step back and knock

“it in is that would be a disaster but disaster that's why I believe I think Brady had one and one”

in the San Jose win um we'll see I don't know biz if you feel one way or the other about Ottawa or it'd be nice and Brady's last year to give them a nice send-off and they play all true I think that I agree the nice of them guys we got some breaking news here Calgary Edmonton and Prague will be the host for the 2028 World Cup of hockey the NHL just now good geography so hold on you're telling me I read these reports I saw Stockholm Calgary Edmonton you're fucking telling me

that the kings of hockey united states of America where there's no games in America zero I wasn't there a game and it doesn't look and disgrace you know why you know why it's a disgrace oh we need games over here you just got the Olympics get the next one and then you

after USA just swept the board and even in sled hockey couple clicks for the sled hockey team you

“I think that club farmer's going to be joining us this week or next boys show no team you”

say parallel and pick sled hockey team unreal and as a Canadian I'm saying it's bullshit like Edmonton and Calgary is going to be an electric officer that's awesome but they should they should and another thing too you do like afternoon like a little bit later afternoon games in New York or Boston the people in Europe can still watch that at three hours maybe it's like one an eight or nine a clock puck drop over there if you're doing like a two a two PM game so I think it's absolute

rubbish and I don't know why they made this decision if they're trying to grow the game over there well I just said they just had it and fucking Milan and then they're going to have it in France we're going to have the whole tournament over there the last they'll ask two Olympic best on best so just absolute rubbish to say correct me if I'm wrong during the finals and Edmonton means had to stay in a hostel like they don't even have the room and board to take care of these

teeth like but I don't mind Edmonton they're going to be doing billet families for the players to go back p.v. tournament I don't mind Calgary and Edmonton because the building in Edmonton's insane the Calgary building is going to be unbelievable but then have like have like

billion buffalo buffalo Boston it just you got to give you got to give the United States games

that's a crazy crazy and the tournament will be great and oh I don't I don't get that at all I'm interested to hear what like whoever made the decision I'm sure it's Gary or like they're all team like why tell me why there's no game in the States like talk talk about a missed opportunity we're talking about growing the game where needs to grow and North America specifically USA and you're not going to have any in USA it's just dumb which I would do it

“in Tampa and Florida before I did an Edmonton at Calgary I think Edmonton at Calgary are”

incredible host cities and I think that Boston New York should have been yeah yeah that's that's just so confusing to me like if it's New York too you could play games on the island you could play games at MSG what the fuck at the at Posh's greasy building the yeah presidential center the crew uh oh put and you know another eastern team in the mix I bring up Columbus has 14 of their possible 20 points you know how sick it would be there that's another no like

yeah but shout out the blue jackets they are not going away um oh another question on that world cup is it going to be before the season like you don't have to worry during okay all right February so literally two years from now and I think that their ranking Calgary will be done at that point yeah it has to be right you know what I do know that tonight is you're listening on Tuesday March 17th happy St. Patrick Day Bruins Canadians that's a big one Columbus plays Carolina that's a huge one

what else we got sharks or there's that should be entertaining I hope Leon's able to play in that what else we got close close Seattle lightning so that's a huge game for Seattle it's going to be an exciting finish here um that's just kind of dampers my mood a little bit no games in the United States uh-huh news for the Washington capitals and the Chicago Blackhux I just saw so be you lost out tough year Jay Pandolf was said like kind of put some ownership on himself uh be you just had an

offseason but Cole Hudson has signed Lane Hudson's brother another second round pick actually I was

talking to his agent Sean Coffin after Hudson Lane went second round of what he's doing and then Cole's Dom has dominated for two years in college undersized defenseman he said there's an undersized defenseman in the Cole Beck league this year uh let me get his name I apologize cushion boy no this is a different this is a different it's a different it's a heavier be out villain away I'm sorry if I'm stacker but he's like he's probably gonna go top 20 now

based on what teams are seeing like the Hudson brothers and some undersized because you need puck movers you need guys you can get up the ice join offense like that's the game now so I

“think the success of Lane I think Cole's gonna be really good I've said it many times he's very”

different I got to see him play with you guys yeah he like he runs around throws his body around like Lane's more stick on puck but he'll be in the lineup I'm sure for Washington next game and then

Sasha Boyver who's the first round of the Chicago he signed as well kind of crazy he wasn't even

playing he was healthy scratched for um be use first hockey's tournament game against Vermont they ended up losing a ucon he was back in the lineup I guess he missed the team lift I that's not this is the kid who fought against Lola earlier this year oh yeah I was in a physical like it could be could be a great pro but kind of weird to see that he'd like missed the team lift and got scratched because of that that's not a great look wait nothing to worry about though with be you like Caleb

feel like they're gonna have a big bounce back season next year is that man he's kid it is yes wow

“yes you've loved seeing that this so many like y'all I mean we talked about Matt calling his”

kids all the guys kids coming up now it's gonna be farmed in the next I know it's real weird so odd to see like I can't imagine what what guys they played with Keith like all the sudden like oh my god Matthew and Brady are here it's just but I love seeing it form of players and their their kids who are making statements when he was guys he could he could do something very special he's got 60 assists in 60 games this season the last defense went did that's Paul coffee

and the only defenseman in the history of the NHL to average and assist per game is Bobby or and Paul coffee so if Quinn does this it's like I just I can't believe it I that that is so ridiculous to be able to get that many assists and the amount of minute he plays I guess it's not surprising and now he's got to preach off and all the talent and boldy there but I mean even to do what he did with Vancouver the past few years it's unreal if he can end up with 82 assists um that would be

something that that we've only seen by two other guys in the history of the game so once again showed out the parallel and pick sled hockey team men's Olympic women's Olympic parallel in pick men's world women's world paramens paramens paramens just but we couldn't get a world cup of hockey no what do we got to do we what do we got to do best what do we have to do Gary and the super balls in Saskatoon next year too here are a fucking idiot um

speaking a ridiculous shit who's that's off break away buddy in the cage oh he's gonna find you thing I've seen in hockey a long time talk about not giving I thought he was I was like oh okay now go now go nope picture this picture the picture the MLB shot clock but add two hours on it and

“that's how long it took him to get to the goal line yeah it's like he's shit face like oh yeah”

if I go any faster I'm gonna piss myself hey Wayne despises that right like the going in slow I I don't know I don't know I I mean I we should get him on the talk I feel like I've heard him talk about it that he hates how guys come in slow and stuff like that I mean it's just comes in slow but this but then he speeds up yeah yeah it's because he's controller broke from the time after the bottom yeah it's coming in like McDavid compared to this I wish

he if he'd scored he would have done a faster arm flap for the bird celebration then he had skated in it was yeah yeah yeah it was if you got some I don't know how many of our listeners like don't like sometimes you have some old timers you don't really are on social media but if you're not like just have somebody open up an app and show you how ridiculous this cruise net's off break or anyone's if you literally does that that's showing everybody in the hockey world he does not

give a flying oh no this is the same league where you know a guy's cell phone fell out of his pants

“when he got hit in the middle game so it nothing shocks you in the cage all that's why we love it”

final showed out we talked about Detroit but now it's Minnesota Tony DeCost the 2500 games yeah behind the bench is yeah you had I'm didn't yet no I missed him in Phoenix oh yeah but oh he didn't even go before you got to Phoenix he came he was in Winnipeg and came from Winnipeg

I think he was Stan Wilson's assistant unbelievable guy he was always like whenever we played

them he was always in the locker room hanging out with Stan and Tony and donor and just an unbelievable guy one of those guys anytime you played against them always came over said hello Ashree if you needed anything I mean all those guys are the best we say it all the time but 2500 games man and those guys like are going on three hours asleep like they're the reasons why we're all pampered the way that we are just unbelievable morale guys and shout out to him I hope the boy's got

him a nice gift and and took care of him for the night it's not he he was with yuka member yuka you can get an unreal massage giant unfortunately he passed away on the day of his wedding man like a tragic story

and they would he would always tell stories about when they were in Winnipeg and how they would

that like you know you know obviously these guys are landing sometimes in some cases like two in the morning and then they'd have to go to the rink and unpack bags and hang all our gear up like that's the NHL help us with the class it is and they would put like they would put beers in one beer and each of the guys bag and as they were unpacking the bags they would be crushing the beers and they would be really cold at that point because they were underneath the plane so just

like that's as old school stories and these trainers man and what they what they do for us so unreal congratulate and and what a handsome guy to age today Benjamin Button he's home backwards

flight or something like that and it was literally my favorite day of the year because you'd just go

“there have a couple beers with them hang the shit get on the boss tell some story out dude those”

guys are the best Tony Silva never what did what did Joe World do did Joeville better than he

couldn't stay like an hour in the sauna and if you did it he even pay him 10 grand yeah it was like 30 minutes in the sauna and we had the hottest theme room in the league in Phoenix this thing blue hot fire

it would kill Joe Rogan that's how hot this thing was he stayed in there and came out and that

“it he came out and collapsed and fell right into the cold tub and I think that's what brought him”

back to life but he was one of those guys he would do anything for a dollar it was unbelievable and I think he gave him fire tender and for that so shout out to the trainers the best all right boys

“we will be back we'll see everyone or you will hear from us again on Friday thank you so much for this”

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