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And here we are live from hell. I don't know. [LAUGHTER] Coming to you live from the former United States of America. My friend was like, I'm what do you think it'll take

to like, for a civil war to start. I'm like, it started, babe. It started. It started. The government's attacking its citizens.

It started. He goes, but isn't there an announcement?

“I guess I don't really remember the naming of the wars”

and how they really happened. But no, one of my mom chats today. The mom, one of the moms was talking about how she put her phone into a fairer day bag every day. So that the ice can't like read her communication,

or like, Palantir can't read her communications, or whatever, like, everyone in this? What is this? What do you talk about? They're like these bags.

You can put your phone into that block them from being, like, I don't know, read by the government or whatever, but you can get them at some website that, hold on. I mean, I can get it for you. So we all canceling TikTok, like, what the fuck?

Well, so that's what I was saying. I was telling everybody, I was like, get off fucking TikTok. I mean, I'm on it. So rarely, like, I barely even fuck with TikTok, but then people send me stuff and I look at it.

But I saw Meg's culture posting about it. All her videos were getting zeros. I know Michael, who's on this network, is a big TikTok creator. And he's like, same thing is happening to me.

But then, my friend said that TikTok is saying that it was a power outage that caused all these zero views. Like, and it's like, you know, sure. Okay, like, we've all seen Vip and we know your lies. Yeah, you're not getting one on me.

But like, I would also assume that all these creators, like, sort of tested it, like, they did a video about fashion. And then they did a video about ice.

“And then the only the ice one got, you know what I mean?”

Like, yeah, yeah. So, like, I'm pretty sure it's like, that power outage isn't really, that's not really going babe. That's not really commencing anyone. It's not passing the smell test.

But I'm still in such a heated rivalry cocoon that, yeah, it's like, for every three heated rivalry, there's one about the current state of the world. And then I move past it as fast as I am. Yeah, yeah, I listen.

I just can't, I don't want to watch murder on my phone. Like, I just don't. I know, it's fucked.

I don't know what it is 'cause it's like,

we all need to know what's happening.

“But I just think it's too accessible to see it.”

I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, it's horrifying. It's horrifying. And I feel like it's really getting, I hope it's getting people everywhere to be like,

this is too much, you know? Like, as my, even if you're a centrist person, it's like, well, immigration's a problem, or whatever your bullshit is. Like, this is a fucking problem problem, you know?

And we've been getting messages from our listeners and Minneapolis, and we are fucking behind you guys, like, the Minneapolis is the most badass. I thought Minneapolis, Casey, it lives in Minneapolis. I thought it was just this cute little fucking town,

city, where people just get freezing cold, and then they play hockey. And they play hockey, and they are happy. Like, it's one of the happiest cities in the fucking country, and they just sort of like, you betcha, and all that.

And they're these fucking bad asses, marching in below,

zero, negative four degree temperatures that rally on Friday, the 23rd of January was like, so inspiring, like, and I'm listening to shit on NPR, it was like, if Minneapolis doesn't like hold strong with this, they're coming to other cities, and they still probably are,

but Minneapolis is like laying down the blueprint for how you fucking fucked around, and you thought that you could just roll over Minneapolis and you can't. So, and I'm not saying to innocent people,

I've not lost their lives, and they're doing plenty of damage, but Minneapolis is fighting the fuck back, and it's really, really cool to see. And we're gonna talk about it more at the end of the episode, but you know, I don't blame, so I mean, Jared does,

what I call his ostriching, where he just, you wanna just put your head down into an episode of heated rivalry and not pay attention for a minute,

“and I think that's also fair, because we've been”

inundated with the shit for a long time now. So, everyone needs to do what they have to do to be able to keep going with all of this, is what I'm saying.

And if your self-care is heated rivalry, do it.

- Well, and make sure that everyone goes to my Instagram and watch my scene by scene recreation of heated rivalry with the Simpsons. (laughing) It took me four days, I would say probably 30 plus hours easily.

And it's 13 slides, and I was willing to boost it. I'm like, I'm paying money, I'm like, everyone needs to see this, but it's a max of 10. You can't boost, no boosting. - Wow.

- So, I just have to keep like messaging it to people, and then they compliment me, and I'm like, thank you, but I've obviously shoved it down your throat. (laughing) - It is just good, like, you know, sometimes you do stuff, and you're just proud of yourself.

And I'm like, the fact that I'm able to find see, like, the specific of images and scenes. - It's interesting, it's interesting. - It's interesting, you've done it with many other things. You've done it with other things, and I wish you could

be translated into like, if you, if it was like still the golden age of Tumblr, like, you would be famous.

“Like, you would be one of the biggest Tumblr girls,”

because like, you would be tumbling these fucking side-by-side recreations, but like, unfortunately, we can't turn that into like a coffee table book, or like some, you know what I mean? - Oh, none of it, I own none of it.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so what can we do? How do we, how do we get these talents out there? You're doing what you can. - People are sharing, and then it's like,

I looked at, like, it's still not enough, but a lot of people have shared it. Like, you know, the arrow. - Yeah. - You know, the little arrow thing.

- Not a chance. - Yeah, it's not. - I saw that actually, when I looked at it, I was like, oh, a lot of people are sharing. - Not for the amount of--

- People are playing work. - I mean, like, the fact that I found them touching toes on a cow, like, (laughs) like, I'm sorry, I'm talented. Like, I just have a talent.

(laughs) - That's not the thing I could do about it. - Like, how do you do it? Do you just, a Google image is, or I'll give you my advice?

- Is that through episodes? What do you do with it? - Look at him. Like, him and the glasses on the phone. I just said, how do I do it?

So it was an accident. I had spots, I think Wednesday night. I'm at the salad, I'm feeling good. I got to express so martini. And we're talking about heat of rivalry.

I'm trying to get people in. And I go, oh, there's a Simpsons episode called Lisa on Ice. I love that one. I bet I can do like a quick little meme.

Like, this'll be funny. I'll look at the images. And then I started looking, and then I go, I think I can do the whole show. I am like, I can do it.

So then I sat, my spots were gone by 11, but I sat at the bar to like one. Came home, did it till three, woke up, an hour and a half before soul cycle did it more. Did it on my flights, did it in the hotel,

did it in the green room, like nonstop, nonstop, nonstop, in an amin, and then sadder day, woke up. And I did it from 11 until 545. But what is doing it? Is it going through episodes?

Or is it moving imaging stills? Yeah, or you're doing it like Simpsons, ice skates, and seeing what pops up or what? Well, lots of different things. So hold on, I do want to show you.

So like this is the image. So these are all the images that I needed to even like narrow down. Wow.

It's like what time that you've been listening to?

She's scrolling. OK, so they just stopped scrolling.

“OK, my god, that actually makes me sick.”

OK. So I know what I need. So some of it's like obvious for me. Like I know the episode, I know I want like the Hawaiian shirt. I know the characters that sue it.

Oh, I need rich people. Oh, like I need a rich looking house. There's a Nicole Basinger, or Kim Basinger, Alec Baldwin episode. So like they have a nice house who else is rich.

Oh, wait, there was this episode. I need a nightclub. When Mose turned into a nightclub. OK, I need them in the shower. I need them.

And then there's so much different sex and kissing that you need all of those to be dynamic as well. So like all of those kind of give different things.

And then I know the episodes where they

fup unfortunately. And like who's she or who's upset or like Ralph with the heartbreak. And then it gets to a point where then I just need stuff. So then it's just looking like couch sitting up. This person sitting, sitting, loose, sad.

And then there's a site called Franyac, hold on. What is it called? Frinkyac. And it's more artistic Simpson. So it's like it doesn't give you exactly what you want.

But it can get things moving and go and for you. FRI and KIAC. I go there a lot. So then you'll like I want to sitting on a rock. So I'm like Simpson's rock.

And I know it's the episode from the Burlesque house episode. But it wasn't the rock I wanted. So then it's like, oh, I need this call. I need stuff. And then it's them exercising.

And I know the episode where Homer exercises, it's the apple bar episode.

But then if those aren't enough, yes.

And then there's stuff where I'm like, I need this scene and I could not find an image.

“And then I think during my genius bar, the little camera, you uploaded for me has disappeared.”

Because I took a screenshot and it didn't. So one of the images is like an episode I paused and then took a photo on my phone of. Because I needed it. Because I knew where they smashed the beer.

Yeah, because I didn't have that back in. Oh, no, it isn't. Oh, I do see it here. Yeah, maybe Disney plus is like beaten it. Wait, speaking of fucking, okay, so that's it.

So then or if it's like a clip, if I need a specific face. And then, yes, sometimes it's like, I need this thing. And I just keep searching and searching and searching. And then I wanted a tabloid and I knew Selma and Troy McClure were in the tabloids. And then I, so I looked up Simpson's newspapers.

And then I'd go to the Simpson's wiki and just look up every home that's ever been on it to like find the rooms that I wanted or like the kissing or on your, or whatever I need it. It's detective work really. It's here.

Yeah, like, oh, I need him in a suit. Oh, the dud. That would be perfect. So like, some I know some it's random searching and then some it's screenshot. It's like really actually psycho for sure.

Wow. Now that I'm talking. No, it's so much work. I mean, yeah, because you're not looking at a show, he did rivalry had six episodes. But the seasons is a thousand.

How many, I mean, there's so many episodes of Simpson's. But I only do the episodes. I know I only use newer ones twice because it was too perfect. Like, I needed Marge on an exercise, but like I needed it, but I like the classic animation style.

So I really don't go past season, like Fort. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, okay. So it's all. I want to be emotionally connected to the picture as well.

And then some are visual representations. But it's like when Shane got a stylist and had a new outfit. Like I used when Lisa got all new clothes for her summer vacation. So doesn't look like it, but there's like a period to have remememem accounts. Why are they not picking this up?

It's I'm sending it to all of them. I'm following them all. I'm like doing it. I'm doing it. I'm, I messaged Rachel Reed and Jake I'm tyranny.

I'm like, Gina, guys, not want to see it. Yeah, I don't. You guys like this crossover of cultural phenomenon. And then sometimes it's really hard in like a few images fit a square or there's like

“a few moments and you have to decide like which one to take in and out because visually”

if it's more than to like, you don't want too many boxes. Yeah. So don't want too many close-ups of faces or like, you don't want, he's on a chair here and here you don't want that above each other. Right.

Shit like that. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Some.

So I don't know. Was that interesting to listen, you think? Two or was that interesting? I'm glad you asked a question. Maybe people thought it would be like a shame.

Well, no, because like, I didn't know how you've even done it. When you've done it with SVU, you've done it with like sex in the city. I feel like you've done it with a bunch of different. I know what ends up happening to is I have a ton of drafts as well. So like before I even make the final ones, like I've made a bunch that didn't work

or did or combined or what should be let, you know what I mean? So I do that as well. Dude. It's crazy. It's a lot.

It's good. It's good stuff. Good shit. If you have a, if you have a, if you have a, if you have a, if you have a, if you have a, he did rival you, me, my count.

Let's go. Gotta get me to the, because I kept complaining because it was so stressful and it took a lot out of me and I think it's why I don't feel really good right now.

what are you doing?

“What I did once you start something called it.”

Finish it once you've spent all this time, it's like I've already put in the hours. I got to see. I just got proud of myself at the end of the day. It's like, um, yeah, which aren't, hey, we're 1168 people have sent it to somebody else. That's pretty impressive.

Or they've put it in their story. And the fact that one, I skating episode gave me like eight or nine images that worked for every single different emotion. Like animation is just kind of better. Yeah.

I don't know. It's so funny. Just find everything. Oh my god, the guys in the Tuxedo's, yeah, it's good. Condoms.

This is good stuff. Or even, okay. When you get to the one where they're winning the Stanley Cups, like the reactions are how the men watch the other guy. Yeah.

Yeah. And they're kissing. There's one where Christy's kissing a Stanley Cup is out of real Stanley. I mean, that's like the Stanley Cup pretty well, NHL got really mad at them and they got in trouble.

“That's why it's like the one image that's not actually from the show.”

It's like a fake thing. They got in a lot of trouble. Oh. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Wait, I was going to say, speaking of grounds keeper Willie texting in bed. Like, are you kidding me? Like, it's just, I don't know. Yeah.

Maybe I should read a book. Learn Thai Quando. Yeah. But right now, the top, because Resurrection is going to come back. But in the top 10 of limited series releases of IMDB, like in the, is Dexter and

he did rivalry are numbered like four and seven or four and five something like that. Sure, no bull is one. The Queen's Gambit's on it, but like I just feel like I'm like, well, do I have like great taste, you know, limited series baby, but we're getting more, we're getting more.

I ordered the second book and I'm buying a dress.

I don't care. What dress? There's a heated rivalry address and I found it and I'm okay. Oh. Yeah.

Well, it's $24.95. Yeah. Come on. That's not even part of it. That's not even.

Nothing under $50 is part of this. No. We're not bought anything this month that was not heated rivalry related. Okay. I have not gone out to dinner once this month.

That's crazy. Like I don't cook. So like if I eat something it's out of the house, like I get from somewhere or something like that, like I don't cook, but I have not gone out to dinner. Yeah.

Wow. Once this month or gone shop or anything except for my heated rivalry, crop top in the stress I'm going to get heated rivalry, crop top is a standout. I saw it. It looks good.

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Listen to Boys & Girls on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This past weekend, my friend Marty from Chicago, who you've met in, she came to LA for 20 hours, like she literally came to go to a party with me of our friends birthday, and so I went saying, like, flew in on Saturday morning, left Sunday morning, and she fully

lives under a rock.

“And I was like, so do you watch she did rivalry, she's like, what's that?”

I was like, oh my god, what's it like, like, how what's it like under there? Do you like it?

She's like, I keep telling myself, I need to like get more into what's going on in the

world, and then I don't make any active steps to actually do that. So I think I'm probably fine. I'm like, yeah, I can't imagine. I can't imagine not just seeing that everywhere, or knowing what that is, like we like entertainment, like, I guess there are people that aren't as folk, like, I've been like

their news is fed to me. I was prop. I saw the photos of them at the Olympics so early that I thought it was fake. So I had to go Google and they're still didn't exist, and I saw just one on Instagram. It's like psychotic.

But at my friends, on birthday, he had taro, he had astrology, and he had numerology. Oh my god, what'd you find out? And you could sign up for all these things. Well, in my numerology, my numbers like all add up to a bunch of twos, like two, two, two. He's like, that means you're good in partnerships, you're good working with other people.

I was like, okay, okay, interesting, taro was my, are my friend Lizzy Cooperman who is a hilarious comedian who also does taro, and everybody at the party, the wait for her was 240 minutes when I got there. So I didn't even get a chance to go to her, plus she's my friend, and I can get her to read my taro anytime, so I didn't really want to like cut somebody, but everyone at the

party was like crying.

They were like, she's amazing, like she's so good.

So if anybody wants a taro, Lizzy Cooperman, taro rx.com is her taro site. She's a very funny comedian, but she does taro on the side. She was a taro girl, like she's very good, and she's very like intuitive and kind with people.

“And I think people just like all these people were coming downstairs being like, well, I just”

cried. Like, I mean, it was a big party that we're a lot of people, and people were like really raving about her, like, I didn't do the astrology because we had gotten it done on the astrology podcast that we did that that Julia Loken has, and so I was like, well, I have a full episode of all my astrology stuff that you and I did.

So I was like, I'm not going to go into that, but the numerology guy was interesting. I don't know if I believe in any of that, but now I'm dying to have her do my taro. I haven't had anybody do my taro since the pandemic when my friends that I was going to have a girl, but instead I had a familyening boy, my god, his teacher just said, okay, so the small drama in the life of a mother of elementary school children is that the kids

almost lost their librarian. This week, they were going to for the new for the coming school year. We were going to have to get rid of our librarian because of like budget cuts, and we all these parents showed up on this call, and we like fought for it, and the principal was like, I found the money.

We're going to keep the librarian, and we're like, yes, and the kids are all like, yay. Then his teacher texted me today, said he walked into the library today, and saw the librarian and goes, then said librarian, said her name, you've been saved. There was some problem with the money, but we figured it out, and everything's okay. I'm just like cracking up at this like four year old being like, babe, we saved your job,

you're okay. You're fine, so cute, but yeah, and I also like to say thanks to everyone that came out to Pittsburgh. I had so much fun at the shows, like, truly so much fun, but then I did get snowed it. Yeah.

I stayed in extra. Because it's snowing Pittsburgh, or snowing New York, or both, both.

“What's it looking like there now is New York really snowy?”

It's snowy. It's fine. It's cold, I don't care. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, this is my new stage. I said this on stage and Pittsburgh, and I just like feel it where it's like, how is it? It's fine. What do you people like? Yeah.

Yeah. Stop asking. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

was going to be.

“So I think everybody just wants to make sure, can you get out of your house or all the cars”

bear? Like, I don't know. Oh, yeah. I know. I don't mean in snow.

I just mean just in generally.

I just feel nothing. Like, I don't know. Like, outside of heat of rivalry, I feel nothing, but anguish and terror. So it's like, yeah. Yeah.

Snowing is it cold. Is it warm? I'll go outside or not. This can't. I can't.

Well. But it would be. Yeah. I was cold. I didn't leave the maria.

You know what I mean? We did it. Get drunk the night before and we're like, where are going? I go sledding. And it's like no one's wed sledding.

Well. But it seemed like people in New York were partying in Central Park. Like, people were snowboarding and sledding and people were having a good time. So that's exciting. I can't imagine because like, the winters in New York had kind of slowed down.

I feel like snow wise, like because of global warming and shit. And so I'm sure everybody's like jazz for a little bit of snow, but you know, terror anguish. We're happy that we can be here to, you know, give you resources, but also be in escape from some of that. And in that same vein, it's Tuesday, February 3rd, our Patreon launches in two days, babies.

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You guys have always been really great and supported us and just have to plug the Patreon.

But yeah, what else? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have nothing to add. That's okay.

I am mentally and I think I went deep, deep into detail in what I've been up. Oh, you did. You did. We've got a full picture. I've got a full picture.

The scrolling was longer than I thought when I scrolled in front of your face. I was a little bit like, oh, that's a lot of images.

“I was like, because you know, you have to like, for a while, you capture capture and then”

you do seven, you realize you need more and you capture capture, you got to like, yeah, yeah, dance around and then you go look for more and you find more. But you're going to go through and erase all of its earphones, not like bogged down with like thousands of images of the Simpsons, right? I'm just trying.

I'm speaking to you from the point of view of your genius bar person in miscokey. I'm trying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll just maybe keep the images I haven't used yet for something in the future. Maybe.

Yeah. Throw those on a drive. Simpsons. Yeah. Well, let's get started.

We have a episode from, yeah, one of the newer seasons today. It's a goodie. So, here we go. All right, we are doing dance, lies, and video tape, which aired March 26th of 2020. So this was the first episode of SVU to air after the U.S. was unlocked down.

Yeah. So you know I was watching, because I had nowhere else to go. Yeah, seeing 2020 is definitely the new seeing 2001. Yeah, yes, we're going to start marking things on our timelines from 9/11 and the pandemic. But yeah, March 26th, so this is obviously shot before, so it's not one of the episodes

where there have people are loosely wearing masks whenever they feel like it. And there's random plastic partitions in court, but it's, you know, and the title is a play on this movie called Sex Lies in Video Tape, which is from 1989. It's a Steven Sorterberg movie with James Fader, Andy McDowell, Laura Sandra, Komo, and Peter Gallagher, aka eyebrows, eyebrows, Dodds, and he plays a character named John Mulani,

I can't tell how you say the name, but I just thought that was kind of funny that Peter Gallagher plays John Mulani. But this movie came out what year, hold on, I don't know, like to me, it's a reference. I said it before we filmed it, we just started recording, but I had no idea it was so old.

Yes, and he never seems crazy to me.

And Roblo had his, I know about tape scandal in, in 88, and in my mind, Roblo is in Sex Lies in Video Tape, just because he had like a sex tape scandal. It's type thing. But it's an IMDB, it's a, it's a low key drama, and I like that. Well, yeah, it's a big, it's a big indie that apparently they're saying revolutionized

OK. Yeah, like Soderberg won the Palm Door at Con for this movie, and he was 26.

“I think he was the youngest winner ever for this movie.”

So this is like an early Soderberg.

It's basically like, you know, it's, I think it's a very small cast.

It's like just these four main people. And it's like people that are married and not happy in their marriages. And then this guy comes to town and he's got, he videotaped women talking about their deepest sexual fantasies and stuff, and then it's like, you know, becomes this whole thing. And in 2006, it was added to the Library of Congress's National Film Registry for being

culturally, historically, and aesthetically significant. So pretty important. We just thought, initially, you might just think it's just Warren Light coming up with as many letters as possible, but it is actually based on this movie, which I haven't seen, but I would probably check out.

This is a good, it's a good cast. Laura Senjakomo should have had a much bigger career. I feel like than she did. She was in pretty woman. She was the star of just shoot me.

Yeah, I prefer her. I bet she like said someone assaulted her, and then was shot. Yeah. Like she must have pissed off.

“But I assume anytime cool girls career gets stopped, I go, what was that?”

Wait, my microphone sock is gone. Where is it? Why didn't anyone notice? I didn't notice your mic sock is gone, your mic condom. I don't know where it is, oh I see it.

How did it fall off? That's so crazy. So crazy. Oh my god. So crazy. Oh, we're back. Back to Dan flies video tape. This is season 21, episode 17. So we open on dancers, working on a bad lay piece, but it's like kind of a modern ballet. The music is dramatic. So are the moves.

Everyone is doing like all this, you know, whatever, dancing, dancing. And then the song ends, the numbers over, everyone is like so exhilarated. All the dancers are like, oh my god.

That was amazing. We nailed it. They're all complimenting one another. And then two men who have

been watching in the audience quietly, they look like they beg to differ. One of the men walks on stage and goes, you all sound quite pleased with yourselves, which is astonishing, considering the appalling mess we just witnessed. So we're definitely getting classic mean choreographer

“vibes. Like who's like the famous archetype of that?”

Everyone black swan. I mean, but it's not even a fictional archetype. Like these ballet people suck. Like if you talk to anyone that did ballet as a child, they are scarred. It's like the Catholic Church of Afterschool activities. Yes. Oh my god. So true. Yeah. That is so true. Like, yeah, it like looks gorgeous, but like every ballerina.

I don't think many of them would tell you that it was worth it. Maybe Missy Copeland. But it sounds bone crushingly hard to do with everyone's like a dick and a lunatic. And it's like rich people, a hunger game vibes, I feel. But also as a dancer, your foot, your feet are fucked. Your body, everything's fucked. Yeah, it's like, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to mention, yeah, you just like can't have boobs. You can't have

anything on your body besides like your skeleton and a thin layer of skin. Like they are just so like it just feels like the most eating disorder prone activity as well.

So they took a second to be happy and this man immediately was like, I don't know what

you think you're fucking doing. He tells them that Mulan Boem, which is, I guess, a combo of Mulan Rouge and Loboem is on track to be, which Mulan Rouge is Loboem. Mulan Rouge is like a theatrical, is like a pop musical, root talent, retelling of Loboem. So Mulan Boem is on track to be the worst musical. The national has ever produced out. So the national is the name of the company. Obviously, like a reference to what would

be like the New York City, MLA. He throws it to Alistair, who is still seated alone in the house and all this older man. Sasha's taken a lot of chances on you, Alistair says, including gifting you, Ashley with your first role as a principal. But I think I can already see the reviews, lackluster, labored dull. Okay. Wow. So they're telling her she's boring, but also trying to help her way to get people to do good work. Like, I really don't believe

in that, right? Yeah. Right. I mean, well, it's also, let's be specific. Like, hey, in your one in this one, like, phrase here, it looked like I could tell you were in your head. I don't know. It's like, you're calling her labored and dull. Like, she's trying too hard, but she's also boring. I don't know. I mean, I can't be both. But then Sasha starts targeting the other dancers, Tina. This is your first solo, Delia. This is your first performance

you're going to be out of here. So yeah, threatening people with fear seems like the vibe in this company. They open the new show opens in one week. Alistair warns them. And you better start performing like you belong here or you will no longer be here. One of the dancers starts rubbing Delia's back. She's stressing. He says, that's just their idea of a pep talk. Don't

worry. And then he's like, you're amazing. And they make out. So they're clearly a thing.

He pulls her away and says, come with me. I'll make you feel better. So two of the other male dancers watch. And one's like, well, Brad's really on a roll lately. And the other one

“goes, always. Okay. I mean, I think his head looks like a label. But I guess he's on a roll.”

Um, cut to Brad and Delia in the backstage area. He's making sure the door is really shut. And what is this room? It's like a multipurpose like elementary school gym. It looks like there's flat. There's just like, it's like a store. It's like a junk. It's like a junk drawer with a dance bar in it. It's strange. Yes. Like, I don't think anybody's going back there to rehearse. I think they're just throwing a bunch of shit back there. No, it's definitely a fuck dungeon. It's like

uh, it's definitely for fucking. Well, I wish the answer had been that because he like leads or to the secluded area. She goes, why did they call it studio X? And he goes, 'cause X marks the spot. And I like physically gagged. I like hate that line. But I wish he had said, it's a fuck dungeon babe. Like, I think that would have been way better. We need you on the

“writing stuff. Um, so these two start making out. He starts trying to like slip off her Leigh”

guitar. But then he asks for consent. You know, when you see somebody forceably shutting a door and making sure it's really closed in on SVU, your nervous about what's going to happen next. But he goes, we don't have to do this if you don't want to. And she's like, no, I want to. Okay. All right, consent. Yeah, we love it. Yeah, all of a sudden we love it. But I know it's too good to be true. Yeah, two extremely muscular people boning in a prop closet. I mean, we're all thinking he did

rivalry. Immediately I was like, I'm missing the, I've missing the chunky buns of a hockey player right now. Um, so, um, and, and the woman that is playing Delia is Annabel O'Hagan. And this was

her first TV credit. But um, she's now on the show fallout. Well, she's done like seven episodes of it.

So you might recognize her from fallout. So cut to this little horn dog, Delia, uh, teaching rich girls ballet. I mean, we're talking like we're on an upper floor. We're getting like a glass studio three hundred and sixty degree views of of Manhattan. And um, classes over and she and the teachers are smiling and waving at the little baby ballerinas when she notices all the dads in the class are kind of like checking their phones and then staring at her. And she's like to the dad seem a

little thirstier than usual today. And the other teacher, which is like hilarious that there's even like 10 dads at the thing because that's not usually how many dads are at anything. Um, no offense Casey, uh, the other teacher says, um, they're harmless. And then this bitchy looking woman with a very short haircut and very pointy sideburns asks Delia for a word. She's like, I'm sorry ever since I got cast in the national. My schedule's been crazy at like whatever. She's making excuses and

cyberns is like, I'm sorry babe. We can't do this again. Like we can't have you here. And Delia suppresses like, wait, why? And she's like, I like you. What you do on your own time is your business, but I can't have that around the kids. So Delia's obviously stumped and confused. And the woman is like, one of the moms, uh, the woman says, one of the moms showed me the videos. Apparently the dads had all found it already, which is gross, which means like the one of the dads found it and then

sent it to all the other dads. Yeah. No one's mad at the dude. No one's mad at anything. And she doesn't have a job. Like, so annoying. And all the dads are so pervy. Like, I don't, I hate it.

“Yeah. Also like, uh, you can tell what is recorded video of real people versus porn, right?”

Like, if you're talking about like that, some people like like an amateur vibe. Right. Right. That's true. But just like, no. Yeah. It just looks like it's taken without her knowing, but I don't know. I guess that's just because I watch it. Yeah. Anyway, well, really like that, too, actually. Yeah. That's a huge cake for people. She doesn't know. Um, and um, the woman and then Delia goes, what video and pointy sideburns just walks away. So Delia gets to her house panic to open her laptop. It's 2020.

And she does not have Google on her phone. She had to wait until she could get home and open up her big ass brick of a laptop. And she had right to bolt search as one does muttering. What is it? What is it? She immediately searches ballerina porn. So you know what it is. Like, her search terms are

ballerina porn. And then she clicks on the first video with the title Hardcore ballerina sluts.

Her leg is even like up on the bars. Like, she's doing like a ballet move. She got one leg up on the

bars. I know. And they're supposed to be fucking, but like, her leotard is fully on. Like, the two two is still intact. So it's kind of strangely done. But yeah, it's definitely S S close to porn as S view can show us. Uh, and that is fully coverage. So she clicks on all the links from the ballerina porn search. And they're all the same video. Like that. It's like on multiple sites. And she's going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no over and over and then we're at the credits. Okay. So we pop into act one,

Benson and Rollins are in wood room blinds, watching the video, Dealia's pacing in front of them. They're like, who's this dude? She's like, it's Brad. We just started seeing each other. He's a nice guy. He's sweet. Not like the other jerks in ballet. And she thinks, um, there's no way he did this. Um, but I texted him and he hasn't answered. But he's been in rehearsal. She's got a lot of excuses for Brad. Okay. And I know why she's so gunhoo that Brad's the bat.

“I mean, I think he has a reputation that sucks. But he's bamboozled her and she's new.”

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, you know, she maybe hasn't even made a girlfriend yet before this guy sweeped swooped in and no girl could be like, by the way, we've all banged him. You know what I mean?

I would turn on any man in my life. Yeah. Immediately. I wouldn't even need a second corroborated story.

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“So she's begging them for help. She's like, you need to take this video down. I already got”

fired for my teaching job. What if the national finds out? She's stressed. Benson is like, we can try to help, but this is hard once things go viral. It's like, girly, the internet is forever. You know, like, and she's like, but like, it's illegal, right? And she's like, I did not agree to be filmed,

back to that specific spot and the camera's point to directly at you guys fucking. She's like,

yep. I'm positive. So anyway, Rollins and Katamine. I'm glad we're in a Katamine era here. They catch up with Brad at Momentum Fitness, where he's getting getting huge. And he's like,

“we're on porn sites. How did this happen? And I have no idea. And why did you text her back?”

I been in rehearsal. We're opening in five days. I didn't know why she was texting me. Like, okay, so you're walk from rehearsal to Momentum Fitness. You couldn't text back the girl that you were that you're fucking. Like, I don't know. I don't believe this guy as far as I can throw him. And he's like, this is terrible for both of us. And where did it come from? Like, where whatever, and Kat's like, well, the sighted originated on is from Cyprus. And they're like,

but how did the video get taken? He's like, there must be a hidden camera in the studio and Kat goes, you think? Which is fun. And then he's like, well, we're not the only ones to hook up there. It's secluded. It locks from the inside. It's the company's worst kept secret. So now Benson is at the theater at the National. And she's walking extremely briskly through the seats of the theater with

“Alistair. And he goes way back with Barba, that bougie bitch, of course. And he's like, he's like,”

oh, Barba speaks very highly of you. And she's like, hey, speaks highly of you as well. He's a fan, because we know Barba is at the ballet. ballet, Barba is happening every weekend when they're in he is taking dates to the fucking ballet. And yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. And Alistair says, well, Barba gave me a little bit of a heads up about why you're here. And I'm not surprised. And she's like, that your dancers are fucking or that they're being taped. And he goes, both.

He goes, I can teach them to dance, but I can't teach them not to be, young and stupid. And business long hair or gray hair. Who's talking right now? This is gray hair. Alistair is short gray hair. So gray hair. He's actually, he was the devil in Haiti's town. Oh, he's a Broadway guy. Yeah. And he's like in the heights. And he has no lines or singing. So I thought that was funny. But I'm sure his friends were like, let's get him in here.

But he was the devil that I saw in Haiti's town. Oh, yeah. Oh, and it was really good.

What the first male voice I've ever thought was impressive. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. It's so deep.

It's like really fucking create. It's like a wild performance. But the play, the guy who plays the young, your epities or whatever is incredible, too. It's like a real beautiful show of male voices. Got it. Yeah. Oh, he originated the role of Norman Osborn/Green Goblin in Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark, which is famously one of Broadway's biggest flaws. But he was also in Haiti's town. And sounds like a very talented, yeah, Patrick Page is this man's name.

That makes sense. I assumed kind of that a bunch of people in this episode were maybe also like Broadway or real ballerina or something. Well, yeah. And then like with the walk and talk with Benson, I definitely was like, oh, I wonder if she saw him. And Haiti's town, if they talked about it,

like I'm always. I'm sure. I'm sure. She's such a Broadway stand.

“So he's still walking and talking with Benson. He's like taking her back. No, I think about Benson.”

I mean, Mariska seeing Hamilton 22 times. What about it? I think about it. Yeah, I think about it a lot. And I think about who did she bring every time? How many times did she go alone? Was it always with a friend? Was she always? Was someone getting her tickets? Did she ever? Like, I want to know her whole 22 arc journey. Yeah, it's really, I have not seen how many times was it just her and Peter? Yeah, you know, kind of I just date night. Did she bring each kid separately? Was it two at a time? Did she

did she just buy a box for the season? Like, I just... No, I don't know. Honestly, like by the tenth time, or you kind of like, okay, I've seen it. I mean, like, listen, I'm a sick bitch. Like, I'm into that. But I mean, I got to, I brag about it a lot. I got to see the original cast, which was exciting. And I did cry a lot. Like, I was happy to be there and I was amazed. And I would have probably seen it a few more times. I still think you would have probably kept out at 10, 12.

For sure, but let's say it's like something else I have put in the hours. Oh, maybe also, when they changed cast, she wanted to go see the new cast. The understudy, new term for us. Yeah, of course. Yeah, somewhat, you know, someone comes from London to visit. She's getting them in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. She should write an article for the New Yorker about like, all of her times.

By Mariska Hargate. Well, okay. So short hair, Broadway man is walking with Benson still.

“They're like on their way to like the crime scene, essentially. And Benson's like, I feel like”

you're not understanding that this is like more than a simple HR issue. Like, this is criminal activity. Like, on lawful surveillance, posting on pornographic sites, and a dancer goes, "Elister, what's going on?" And he goes, "Not now, Jason," which I kind of just liked that. I just liked the way I said that to him. Not now, Jason. And it's important because Jason's going to come up later, of course. "Elister tells Benson, he hopes that we can keep this private,

the new ballet opens in a week, and it's starring Brad and introducing Delia." So, you know, and he leaves, and Benson goes under the crime scene tape to studio X, cat tells her, "Look, we're needy, been bodily fluids back here. We got sweat, blood, cement. It's like a petri-dition here." Gross. There is a place up high on the wall where they can tell that I'm mounted camera was ripped out. So, the perv/perp knew that they were coming and took the camera down.

So, in the next scene, we have the man, the myth, the legend, John Waters, credited here as

“porn-monger man. No, he's porn-monger man. That's what he's credited in this episode,”

because he's in two episodes, okay? The second episode has turned me on, take me private,

which we've covered, with other Hades Town star Eva Noblasada, was our guest at that episode along with an Alex Brightman, who is Beetlejuice. Exactly. And obviously, in that episode, he has a name which is Floyd Cougat, but he's also, is that in this episode, his website is called porn-monger, and in his next episode, it's called Sugar Fap. As we all know, the classic line, this is a dark, this is indeed a dark day for Sugar Fap. Yeah, he's Sugar Fap guides him

me more than porn-monger man, and that's like pretty cool, I guess, the second one. Yeah, was more Sugar Fap forever. But yeah, it's just funny that they were like, let's get back John Waters, but let's not make it porn-monger, let's change the site, let's give him a name. Okay, so I'll get ahead of myself, but the crime that this is based on the case with the ballet, the New York City ballet. There was a New York Times article about the woman

watching the SVU, and like, so there was like a review of her watching the SVU, and then of SVU taking on the ballet, and they definitely in the Times review go, we love John Waters, and like everyone agreed. Like she was kind of pissed, but then she was like, but I did love seeing John Waters. Yeah, that hit episode. That's the one thing we can all agree on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he is iconic. I am a serial mom, crybaby. I have like a long list of

John Waters movies that I am obsessed with. He is so awesome. So, and he's perfect as just like a business man working at a low rent porn site. And he's telling Carisi and Rollins, a ballerina getting nailed in a two-two. He says, that's a whole genre, but what isn't Rule 34, am I right? I didn't know what that was. I Google Rule 34, and it's an internet meme that basically says, if it exists, someone has made porn of it. So, if you know about the Smurfs,

there's Smurfs porn. If you like, you know, know about, if this is a thing that happens,

“people are like, you know, housewives playing Majong, there's probably porn about it, you know?”

So, that's the Rule 34. I never heard that before. So, they show him the video.

And they tell him, you got to take this down. And he's not really feeling that sympathetic. He's like, so it's revenge porn. You can't just flash a badge and expect me to fold. And Carisi is like, how about I get a warrant for all those hard drives? And Rollins is like, you think we're not going to find a way where shit if we start kicking the tires around here, like minors. And he's like, okay, maybe we got off on the wrong foot. He's like, I can absolutely scrub this from my site

for you, but it's not going to do shit. Like nothing disappears on the internet. He's explained which they know. But Carisi's like, well, why don't we start at the bottom? How did you get this? And we cut to cement room bars with done done Jason. And he is like, yeah, that's my email, but I must have been hacked. I don't even look at porn. And Rollins is like, okay, spare me these bad excuses. You dance at the theater. You had access to Studio X. And he's like,

yeah, but I wouldn't do that. Brad's a friend. And Julia's new I barely know her. Then Rollin gets pulled out. And she's like, why don't you work on your story a little bit more, bro? Outside Benson tells her that Teru went through Jason's phone. He absolutely uploaded the video to porn manga, but he's not the one who recorded it. It was texted to him by Brad, along with other homemade sex videos. So the nice guy in Benson's like, are you surprised? No, nobody is. At Julia's,

hitting on me, but Brad, he's a gentleman. Yeah, promising young gentleman. He's not good. And he knew

“what he was doing. And he knew where the camera was. And Julia explains how, you know, in ballet,”

the boys move the girls. That's just like how it works. And Brad put me on the bar in front of

the camera. Like he basically like posed her. And now she feels really dumb for like not suspecting him

at all. Benson is assuring her. You couldn't have known. And guess what? You're not the only one. So it's Brad, Jason, Edward Jenkins, who's another member of the core. They shared your video in a group text. And there were videos of other women. So they show her iPad of all these like sexual stills of ballerina's having sex on camera. And she goes, that's Pek Silva. That's Grace Presley. That's Ashley Ballin. She's like, I feel sick. Like she can't believe like all the women.

That these guys have all been like fucking the same women and sharing it around. Like this is this girl's first time in a professional company. I don't think she realized that this is what was going to be happening. So then we fade to commercial, top of Act 2. They're talking about Silva.

“The video they're showing her is her having sex with Edward. And she's like, this is from his parents”

house. Like what the fuck? And then the next one, she goes, this is Alistair's office. Edward

dared us, dared me to do it like on his desk basically. I had no idea we're being filmed. I'm on a

visa. I have to be careful. So she's upset. Next, Kat is talking to Grace Presley. She wants to know if her video of having sex with Jason was posted to any porn sites and Kat's like, as far as we know, no, she's like, oh my god, I'm engaged. My fiance's family is religious. Like this cannot go up on a porn site or whatever. And Kat's like, don't worry. I don't think Jason wants to make anything worse. He's in a lot of trouble. And she's like, not with the company. He's not.

And Kat's like, what do you mean? And she's like, there's 20 girls to every guy in ballet. Like, they can do whatever they want. They cannot get fired. These guys. Like, because there's barely a really crazy. It's kind of like porn where it's like, people are coming for the girls.

Yet the guys have the power because there's less of them still. It's like crazy that even in the

things that are for women or more popular because of the women. Yes, this is the men still got it. It's like so crazy to me. Yeah, that's true. That's that's that's great. Yeah, like, you would think the prima ball arena. There's a lot of them. They're like, well, get another home of her hand. Yeah, they're like, they need this muscle guy. Like, yeah. Anyway, um, I wonder if it's no, well, I wonder like, if it's similar in like, um, like couples ice skating and stuff like that, where it, you know,

there's men and women and like there's less men doing it. And the men are like in charge of flipping the women and lifting them up and doing all of that, like they're physically in charge on the stage. And then it sounds like behind the scenes as well. So now Benson is talking to Ashley and she's like, very blusher. She's like, yeah, like, so it happened. And she's like, really, so nonchalant. Like, yeah, I guess I didn't know I was being filmed, but like, everyone's made a

sex tape or two, right? She's just thankful it didn't get posted on a public porn site like Dilias. Alistair shows up and asked, asked Benson, how's it going? And she's like, um, pretty bad. And then Ashley does. Ashley's like, um, tell Sasha. She's like, I'm going to rehearsal and he goes, oh, good, you really need it. Like, they're being, and Benson's like taking a back and I'll mean they're being to like the women. Alistair introduces Benson to Sasha. He's clearly very annoyed.

Well, he expresses that he's very annoyed that he has to work around three male dancers being unavailable because they're being questioned by the police for the afternoon. And Benson's like, well, it might be longer than that pal and Sasha's like, oh, come on, nothing is sexier than young dancers put them in a room together and this is what happens. And Alistair says, look, this is a little bit more than boys being boys. And Sasha is like, I get it. I'm going to make sure it stops

now and it won't happen again. And Benson's like, but they could be looking at prison time. And he goes, well, that, that won't work. The show continues. Actually, oh, looking at these schedule prison is not going to work. I'm so sorry. Can we push that? And he's like, the show premieres in three days. That's hundreds of jobs, weeks of rehearsal, millions of dollars. And Benson's like, well, I got advice for you. Why don't you warm up those under studies? You

pretentious fuck. And then he walks away. She didn't say that. That's me. But that walks still a cold line, even without the facts. Like, go warm up the under studies. Yes, she's like,

“you better get those. Yeah, you should get some time in what those under studies. And then he walks”

away. Alster follows. We're in cement room bars now. And Carisi and Rollins are there with Brad and Edward interesting. We have not even seen Edward yet really besides being, like, on the stage, like, he was on the stage at the very beginning. But no one has questioned him.

to the camera. It's totally consensual. So they have regrets now. That doesn't mean anything.

“And they're like, well, they all say they had no idea they were being filmed. And Rollins is like,”

yeah, and the guys were sending around these videos together. You want me to read their text out exchange out loud to you. And she goes, well, all that proves is that they're idiots. And I should know, I'm Brad's mother. Okay. So we got another hashtag, boy, mom, on the case here. His mom is a lawyer. She's fighting, representing these two. And fighting everything that Carisi and Rollins is bringing to her. And they're like, babe, dissemination is illegal. And he goes,

Brad goes, it was just guy stuff. Like with points and everything. Like, oh, I hate him. Yeah, shit, shit, shit. You know, shit, I like your lawyer talk for you. Yeah, just keep your mouth shut. Don't be like, no, we were actually just doing it to be absolute assholes. We weren't trying to do anything illegal. And Carisi says, yeah, well, sending it to your

“pals in a text is first degree E felony. And boy, mom's like, that's an overreach.”

She was like, we all know who the real felon is here. It's Jason. He's the one who uploaded it. And she says, uh, her boys will roll on Jason if they bump their charges down to misdemeanor harassment. So this is their best chance to get one of the three boys on a felony. It's unlawful surveillance dissemination. And we can toss in revenge porn for the hat trick. And then Benson says, yeah, but we'd sought to prove harmful intent with the revenge porn.

And now, even a while, everything that we said reminded me of Taylor Swift. Yeah, now it's like, we didn't drive already. The hat trap. I should have known that. I shouldn't know what was going to trigger you. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do what's made to make it the hot trick. Okay. So, um, but Benson points out that they would have to prove harmful intent, which even then is just a misdemeanor. Rawls is like, so let me get this straight texting it to their friend group

is worse legally than posting it on a porn site. And Carisi explains that tech lobbyists corporations and civil libertarians all got their hands on the state's revenge porn bill.

And it's basically toothless. So just crazy. Crazy. You can just, it's worse to send a

pornographic video to one other person, rather than posting it on a site where it will go viral and be impossible to take down forever, like and ruin someone's life. So that's pretty cool. But also, there we go, corporations lobbyists, everybody that is ruining the world right now doing it in another way. But Jason doesn't know about how toothless this revenge porn bill is. And he hasn't lawyer it up yet. So why don't we give, get, take a run at him and see what he can give us. So now they're

talking to Jason and he's like revenge porn on Julia. Come on. I get plenty. He thinks it's so funny. And it's like, so why did you post it on a porn site? And he goes, I don't know. I thought it was a goof on Brad. I like, ew. What's wrong with you? Like, okay, blur their faces or something? Like, do something to make, there's zero. I would rather have him said, yeah, she rejected me a bunch of times.

“That's why I put it up there. I'm not at her. Like, at least then you're just like a psychopath man.”

This is just like your tooth to dumb to function. Like, why are you posting porn of your friend as a goof when everybody knows in 2021? I mean, in 2020 that the internet is forever. So it's just this guy's like motivations are not making sense to me. And then they point out, um, they're like, yeah, but Julia didn't consent. And he's like, well, that's not what Brad told me. And so you're the one that installed the camera, right? And he's like, what are you talking about? And they're like, oh,

your dance bros told us the whole thing was you. And Jason's like, I don't even know who set up the camera, but it wasn't me. And they're like, well, your butt say it to you and they'll testify. And he goes, look at a trial. And he's like, yeah, like, at a trial, you're looking at felony jail time. And this guy's like, oh, I can't believe this. I'm the fall guy. Everyone knew about it. Brad, Edward Sasha. And then that perks Benson's a little ears up. She's like Sasha, the choreographer.

And then Benson goes, if you know more, this is your last chance to help yourself and start with

Sasha Thomas. And Jason's like, we showed him some stuff before he never said boo, he'd watch

the videos like the girls were auditioning for him. And Benson's like, so he never told you to stop. And the guy's like, no, in fact, if he liked what he saw, he'd ask a girl out. If she said, yes, he'd make me delete the video. So now they're in the wings of the theater. They're literally on the wings during a rehearsal, talking to Tara as she's about to do. But I love everyone in the beginnings. Like, these boys kind of have never done it. And it's like, actually, it's all the

boys. And it's the people in charge. And it's everyone. It's like, it's always going to be worse.

They've questioned someone for a long amount of time. She's about to Sasha out onto the stage.

She literally keeps looking at the accounts. And they're like, so any a couple more questions. And she still gets in trouble. She gets in trouble. She still, yes. And she's like, there's no videos of me and Jason. So I'm sorry. They're talking to Tina, not Tara. Her name is Tina. She's one of the ones that's got a solo that we saw at the beginning. And she says, there's no vids of me

“and Jason. And they're like, yeah, because Sasha had them deleted. And she goes, oh, you know about that?”

Yeah, Sasha's a friend. And he saw the video and he told her that he, she had to make sure it didn't get out or her career would be over. But not Jason's they said. And then she's like, are you kidding? There are hundreds of girls who could be in my costume with my solo tomorrow. And Sasha said he would help me and what for what price? And she's like, well, for me to do to him, what I did to Jason in the video. So they're like, girl, Sasha pressured you and extorted you. That's rape. And she's like,

oh, come on, like any of the other girls wouldn't do it. He saw all those videos. He chose me. And I'm realizing just now that this actor is Tori Traubridge, who played the girl who raped her best friend with the finger in the presence of absence. Which is a friend Jenna from that episode. So that's and not that far apart. I believe it's like season. What is this season? What is this season? 21? And that's like season 24 or something. So pretty, pretty close that they've got her back. Now we

hear clapping and Sasha's yelling at Tina because shockingly she missed her cue while she was being interrogated by the NYPD. And she runs off because this is her solo. And Kat's like, well, she says it isn't rape and rollins is like, yeah, but rape culture is such a part of this company. They don't even realize it anymore. That's another thing too in a lot of these things. Like,

why is it always a man that's a choreographer when like there's more women in the companies,

usually women can be the choreographers, but they hire these men and then this cult these cultures blossom. So anyway, it's a cult or fester with the other vibes. You know, you're paying for lessons your whole life. You're going to the schools. You're doing the thing. And then these guys have the guy like it. Yeah. Yeah. And they know how desperate everyone is to get, you know, get to dance them. They want to dance. Yeah. Everyone's just praying upon people who actually have passions in life.

Right now. So at the top of that three, we're in a walk and talk on the street, Benson Rollins, and Carisi Rollins is explaining the Tina situation. She doesn't see it as rape, but it is. And he was her boss giving her the choice of sleeping with him or losing her job. And Benson's like, that's forcible coercion. That's rape three. And Carisi's like, yeah, but his attorney's just going to argue it was consensional and at worst transactional cat pipes in. And she goes, yeah,

other dancers say this kind of stuff is happening all the time. And we have to establish a pattern, but there's no formal complaints, cats like the corner silence in ballet is real. She knew if you bun heads at LaGuardia. Can I love that? LaGuardia? How do we know cat went to LaGuardia?

“This is the first time clocking that. Like, I did not remember that. We need to like text Jamie,”

Greyhider, and be like, cat went to LaGuardia for what? I mean, later she talks about other dance like being a dancer, but not a ballerina. But LaGuardia, if you don't know, is the performing, the big performing arts high school in New York. My dad actually went there when it was an art high school and a performing arts high school, and then it merged and became LaGuardia. But it's where a lot of child actors go, a lot of people go to LaGuardia

for that become big actors. But I have some glad that bun heads was said. Like, yes, I need that. Yeah, there was a show called bun heads. No, I know. Yeah, I'm a huge center stage fan. Like, that's my ballet movie. Like, I like center stage. I watched that a lot. I did, I do like that movie. Good, good stuff. I mean, it reminds me of, this episode reminds me of center stage right away,

you know. So Kat says, you know, these bun heads never spoke out of turn. They never ate. They were

her son on stop. That kind of conditioning really sticks with you. And Benson's like, yeah, but it's not just ballet. It's churches, movie sets, news organizations. When your boss is a predator, people are afraid. And right there, it's like, that's her philosophy on the set as the number

“one on the call sheet. Like, she's cool. And that's why everybody likes working for that show.”

If your boss is an asshole, everybody hates working for the show. If your boss is a predator, everybody is terrified. And they're being a predator to more than one person, you know, because they're, and you don't even have to be that talented or famous. It's really crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

and now her identity has gone viral. Why do people have to do that? Enjoy your porn and move on,

even though it's not porn, but in general. Why are you identifying people? Dileas answers the door to her apartment with her laptop in hand. And she's like, anytime you search my name, this video comes up, she's obviously freaking the fuck out. She's like, my parents are going to see it. Benson's like, look, cyber crimes is working on it. It's not easy. It takes time. We can get the result removed from the search engines. And you can actually like pay companies to do stuff like this

too. I think like get your search results changed. So hopefully I'm imagining a world where a few years down the line Dileas free of this Google result prison that she's in. But

but she goes, no one knows my name in the ballet world. This is what I'm famous for. And she's

like the nationals going to fire me and they're like, I wouldn't worry about that. The nationals got other problems. Like, and they tell her, oh, yeah, they tell her like the whole thing about

“Sasha watching the videos. And she's immediately like, oh, so that's how Tina got her solo. Like,”

Tina must suck at dancing because everyone's wondering how she got this solo. Like, no one can believe it. They're like, she must have sucked a dick for this solo. And so they ask, do you know any dancers who were involved with Sasha? And Dileas like, this is where you really see the programming, right? Dileas like, wait, you guys are going after Sasha now. No way. I'm out.

I never should have come to you. He's the choreographer. He can do whatever he wants. And then

they're like, wait, Dileas, she's like, it's just like my friend Hudson says straight male can't fail. Yay, man, it depends. But girls in ballet do what we say. Why? I was not even a saying. It didn't sound good. It didn't really roll off the tongue. I can't like what the fuck is this little poem? Why? But yeah, just straight male, straight male can't fail. The rest of us are fucked. You know, like, because, and gay men, it depends. It depends on what. Like, and then the girls in the

ballet do what we say. Okay. So like, no one came up with, like, I just can't, I can't. Yeah. And Benson just like shares a look with Rollins. And meanwhile, no mention of the fact that Noah just started doing ballet 13 episodes ago. There's no mention in the episode down low and

“how did you remember that? How did you remember that? How did you remember that? Because you crazy.”

I was like, at my mom in my mind, I go, did you know what just start dancing and doing ballet? So I Google Noah ballet. And I get down low and hell's kitchen, which is episode three, which we've covered, which is episode three of this season. And this is episode 17. So like a few episodes ago, Noah, what Benson was in a ballet studio that looks almost exactly like the one that Delia was teaching in, watching her little son play the day away. And she's not even like,

maybe I'm going to have a little convo with my son Noah about how you have to respect the girls in ballet, if you go forward with this. Yeah. I'm actually disappointed in the writers, honestly. Yeah. I can't believe that Benson didn't bring this into her regular life and get tortured by yet another thing with Noah. You know what? Yes. Another thing that she's like, maybe I have to tell Noah to stop doing it. Like there's no mention. But anyway, they obviously are all very moved by

the straight male camp, fail poem. And so they track down the poet. Cat is now a physical therapy, talking to Hudson, the guy, the writer of the poem. And he's injured. And out for the rest of the season, it's his fifth surgery in 10 years. And he goes, no one leads ballet unless they're fired or crippled. And he knows about the Delia situation. He's like, everybody knows. It's a straight

“male world. We just dance in it. And he asks, hi, go. Yeah. Yeah. He asks Cat, um, did you, did you dance?”

And she goes, yeah, hip hop and modern. And she goes, I was a little, and he goes, statuesque for ballet. And like, I thought ballerina's worst at you, so I don't really understand this exchange. I would also love to see Cat to mean do a little Julia styles inspired Julia tradition. You know, where she's doing, I don't know how a girl goes from La Guardia dancing hip hop and modern to being a detective with the NYPD. I'm waiting for her in that, right? Why couldn't we keep her another few seasons and get more

of her backstory? Um, I don't know if we knew why she was. She was in the boxing though, right? Yeah. Yeah, she did box because there's that episode of her boxing gym. Yeah. Her cousin was in dating an influencer. I don't know. I was like, if she saw something, yeah, she saw something in her window or in her neighborhood or to the kid at school. Like something must have happened and she was like, I must be a cop. Yeah. I mean, that was what Silva's recent origin story was, even though her

dad is a cop, so that made a lot more sense too. Yeah, did we not learn to mean, but to mean left, so she could

on the streets talking about her. She's retired. She's retired. Not here, but she, she got shot and said,

oh, I actually don't want to be a cop. Never mind. Yeah. But what did she end up doing? They got to

bring her back. I don't understand the statuous comment. She's statuous all about, I mean, to me,

“she looks like a ballerina. She's tall. She's thin, but also she, after she did SVU, I think Jamie”

Greyhider went on to play like a ballet teacher. She talked to us about in the interview. She plays like a ballet teacher in like a some movie that she did. But anyway, um, she tells him, uh, I want to know about Sasha and he's like, what do you want to know? He's a pig. And she's like, can I get some specifics? And he goes, if you want me to be the normal ray of the national well, I'm going to my spot by a thread, talk to me in a few years. Like, Hudson's a poet and he also tells it like it is.

He's like, girl, you're not getting me to roll on the choreographer right now. I'm like, literally out for the season. I'll be lucky if they bring me back. I'm my bones are brittle and breaking. There's no way. And then cat goes, so that's it. The girls are on their own and he goes, you want this life, you pay the price. So even in ballet, in ballet, even the gay men are not your allies. You know, no one is looking out for you. Um, so they're striking out all over the place. Everyone has

too much to lose. You like, like, they have, they have to find somebody who's already lost everything. So naturally, they had to an eating disorder rehab where they talked to where they talked to, where they talked to Rose, a dancer who put the national year ago. Now, this girl looked familiar to me. So I did look her up and her name is Victoria Pollock. And she hasn't even done that much acting, but she's written two episodes of Lawner SVU. She wrote a fucking episode. Turn me on,

take me private. Whoa. Which we talked about, the Sugar Fap episode. And she wrote the episode,

“I think she co-wrote them. But the episode, do you believe in miracles? Did you believe in miracles?”

The one that's based on the, that's the one that's based on the guy who just kept kidnapping his neighbor in plain sight. Uh, but yeah. So kind of cool. This shows the teleplay for a couple of

these episodes. And, uh, shit. But yeah. So kind of crazy. I feel like we never see in a lot of TV shows,

we know that, right? She had to audition. I don't know. It's a great question. Because like, we know in a lot of, you know, who's a great person to ask is Robert Brooks Cohen. I could ask him. And get an update. Because like in a lot of TV shows, writers will get little parts, right? Like, you know, we see Joe Mandy in little acting parts all the time. He writes for shows. And then he's funny. So he gets, you know, we see it all the time. But I feel like an SVU. That's not a thing that

usually happens. You don't usually see like writers or people like that are working on the show and other capacities being acting on the show. So um, but interesting. So she's sitting at this eating disorder rehab looking traumatized. And she's incredulous that they're investigating Sasha. She's like, you're investigating? I can't believe it. Like, I can't believe somebody came forward. And they were

“tell her, oh, Dealia did. And she's like, oh, Dealia was one of my students. Did he rape her, too?”

And they're like, well, wait a minute. It is he the reason why you left. And she said, he's the reason I'm here. So she tells her story, which is basically what we've heard. Jason made a sex tape of her. Sasha got it said he could make it go away if she did to him what was done on the video. And she said, she just gave up and let him do it. Like, he wouldn't take no for an answer. So she just gave up and let him do it a few days later. He promoted her and told her it was

their secret and that he'd do it again anytime he wanted. I told the one person I thought could help me. Alistair. And this is done done. This is like we thought Alistair was kind of like the good old me man at the ballet. And no, it turns out they're all bad. So he said he could help me and I could do a lot better than Sasha. And it turns out that every year at the Galaw auction, dinner with a prima ballerina is the top item. And I immediately thought, who would pay tens of

thousands of dollars to watch a ballerina push some salad around a plate. But apparently what's expected is not just dinner. And Alistair said, if I allowed myself to be auctioned off, he'd get Sasha to back down. And he also told her if she said no that he'd relate release the sex tape, fire her for cause and blackball her with every company. Oh my god. I mean, I watched the episode, but I'm pissed. Yeah. I'm repressed. So she didn't even dance the premiere. She left and she hasn't danced since.

And she's pretty devastated. And so yeah, this is like a fucked up twist. Oh, he talked about this

all the time. It's always like, what about his career and never like, oh, what has a victim go through

ever. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's nuts. I hate these men. Anyway, now Benson and Rawlins are trying

to sell Carisi on their case. They're like, look, Rose Sullivan is willing to testify. This is sex trafficking. And then Carisi's like, yeah, but did she go through with it? No, if not, it's just her word against theirs. So they're like, okay, what if we catch them in the act? We send an undercover to the auction, which I will remind you, I will remind you, the auction is taking place two days before the new show opens. That's where we're scheduling yourselves. You're doing too much. So it's like

this huge, they're biggest money maker of the year and they're like right before the new season opens. And so they're like, we could send an undercover in catch Alister on tape. And Rawlins and the media is like, what about the same Caldune? And you know, maybe my only like knowledge of ballet

“is the black Swan. And I feel like they had a party. Remember, before the make show, I think they just”

have to fundraise and kind of like do something for the rich people that give them money to feel important. Yeah. I mean, you would just kind of assume it would be like, yeah, I guess you would just assume, I agree. It's a little match. He's some kind of like, yeah, because you want all these people to come to the, I don't know, yeah, but but Rawlins suggests immediately, what about Hasime Caldune? And she knows she wants to fuck him. She loves that guy. She wants him. Carisi, so jealous goes,

you're trans and grow per cop. Like he's immediately like that fucking guy. And she goes, uh, somebody goes, he could pass as an oil air. Uh, and uh, somebody else goes, or adventure capitalists from Silicon Valley and Rawlins swears. He's a chameleon. I don't know. He seems like he could, yeah, he's very good at acting. Um, the the the actor, but also like the got Caldune, like he's we love Caldune. Yeah. We do love Caldune. I don't think I ever thought Caldune was a hottie, but then

when he showed up in this app, I go, oh, yeah, he can't do anything. He's got a vibe. Yeah. Yeah. So next up, he's in a tucks walking with Rawlins at night. And she's like, you clean up,

nice. He's like, I prefer jeans. It's like, get go on a date already. You guys are basically doing

all the match dot com questions right now. Um, Sasha has prepped Alster that, uh, there's a diamond tear, a level donor coming. And then Rawlins gives him a hotel suite key, um, for, you know, later. Caldune is smooth. Okay. He goes up to Alster. He's saying all the right shit. And the gang is in the van and even they're buying it. You know, they're listening in. He's miced up. They're like, wow, this guy's good. You know, like he's he's like, listen, I made my fortune with Google. I

sold the app to Google. I'm looking to get out. I'm trying to did it. And then, um, Sasha leaves Alster with Caldune, eventually. And he talks all about how he wants to establish a presence as a benefactor of the arts. And he's talked to other donors and wants the perks that they got. And they mentioned sponsoring one of the premas. And what does that mean? Like, paying for her

“room in board? Like, obviously it's human trafficking. But like, what is, what does that mean?”

Why would a prima, like, if you're the best in the thing, why would you need a sponsor? It makes no sense to me. I think that this does happen where people sponsor because we had this in another episode where someone was getting their apartment paid for? Yeah. Like, they'll put you up in an apartment because, you know, you're your prima ballerina, but you're not necessarily making a ton ton of money. And so like, if you bet you want to live, you don't want to live too far

from the training area. So they get you a Manhattan apartment. So you could be close. Like, I don't know, I guess that kind of thing paying for medical expenses when you bought your toes. They're all pedophiles and they're all pedophiles and they're all pedophiles. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. So I think it's all mumbo jumbo anyway because he knows that they're just trying to get to like, I just want to fuck this ballerina or whatever. So so they start looking at Ashley, who's across the

room and Alister is like convincing him to bid on dinner with her and Caldune's like, well,

“I heard it's more than dinner. And you would think that Alister would be like, oh, who have you talked to?”

Like, tell me one former person who's bid on this, give me a name. You know what I mean? Like, well, no, like, I thought a lot of things before the Epstein files. But now I know it's like, open chats, like nothing matters. Yeah, that just out pelico case, even if people do know and

think it's wrong. We're not going to tell on anybody. Yeah. Like, I think you can always. They're always

going to protect each other. We're talking about a job. He's a, there's a different Donald Trump in those emails we're talking about. They've said that and we're just joking. It's a joke. Like,

everything. So he Caldune says, I heard it's more than dinner. And Alister says kind of one of the

“grossest things of the episode is one of the great traits of ballerinas wherever you lead, they will follow.”

So he goes, what a six figure commitment. Take Ashley off the auction block. And he says, that'll take her anywhere you want to go. And he goes, I have a sweet at the park, Milanau. And she, and then, and then Alister goes, Sir shook and run your credit card. And Caldune makes a bit coin joke, L-O-L. He's so good. And then Sir shook comes up with an iPad, like, she's going to take the credit card info. Now, how does that work? Does the NYPD temporarily authorize a $100,000 or more

transaction on a card? Like, how does that work? Because you can write a check, right? And you

can always be like, I once there's a bus, you can be like, obviously the check's not going to clear.

But like, we're going to take your credit card right now for $100 or $200, whatever your promising. Anyway, yeah, yeah. In the van, the cruise, like, well, it sounds like we've got Alister, but Clarice is like, no, so far, this is all in a window. They have to catch Ashley being ready to play for pay. And like, they're pushing back, being like, why do we have to go after the victim?

“But I guess it's kind of like, that's what you need to get the proof on Alister. So we cut to Ashley”

in the suite with Caldune. She's trying to make small talks. She's trying to offer him a drink. And he's trying to cut to the chase. And she's like, just so we're clear, this is just a one night only thing and safe sex only. And he's like, absolutely, you're in charge. And she looks kind of

nervous, but knows what she has to do. And she's like, okay, well, then come over here and unzip me.

And just as she says that, Rollins comes barging in, Caldune stands up and, you know, whips out his badge. Ashley's freaking out. She's like, this was not my idea. And they're like, well, who's idea was it? And we fade to commercials. So now, at the precinct, Ashley is in Woodroom Blines. And they're telling her like that she could be facing prostitution charges. And they ask her who's planned this was. And she's like, I'm not going to say. And they're like,

girl, do you really think Alster would protect you if we call him up and say that we got you prostituting yourself in a sting tonight? One of our original catchphrases. Don't go to jail for a man. Don't go to jail for a man. Ashley, don't do it. Not for this man, not for Alister. You're not even in love with him. And she's like, he didn't even give me or Ashley says, he didn't give me any choice. And they're like, okay, explain to us how this works. I don't know why we have to. It's been

explained like six times. She says every year at the gala dinner with the prima goes to the highest bitter. And everyone knows it's more than just dinner. This year, I was on the auction block. And they're like, well, how did they get you to do it? I don't why are you asking. She had a video of me, Brad and Jason. Okay. So Ashley is Ashley's a girl that did a three-sum. Okay. She was ready to be more adventurous. And Sasha is the one who gave Alister the video. And Alister said, I'd already

worked my way through the dancers and the choreographer for my career. So compared to that, this was a small ask. And obviously if she refused, they would make the video public. He said after that,

“the only way you'll be able to make a living is in porn. And Carisi said, that's enough. So now we've got”

two women saying three women. Well, two women saying this is what happened. And then I don't think Dilia can't really testify to any of this because she hadn't even get to the point yet where her video was used against her. It was just put on the online by a moron. So Benson and the gang roll up to the function as the gala is letting out. And they approached Alister and Sasha. Caldune is there. When Alister clocks him, he goes, you're making a major mistake. And Caldune goes,

not my first won't be my last. And as they cuff Alister, he turns on Sasha immediately. And he goes,

everything I did, I did to subsidize art. That man right there, he's your rapist. Benson says to Alister, you knew about the sexual abuse and you used it as leverage. That makes you a sex trafficker. In the next scene, now Benson is catching up with Dilia at her restaurant job where I look like now she's serving because she got fired from her teaching job. And now she's probably no longer in the company. Sasha and Alister both took a deal, felonies. They'll do prison time.

Jason will do a few months. I mean, what a fucking idiot. They're still working to get the video taken down. They tell her. And she's like, and what happens to the national, Brad and Edward were fired apparently. And they're filing a suit obviously with the mom lawyer for wrongful termination. How do you think in any workplace, if you had sex with a coworker at work and sent it around to other coworkers, you would be fired. So I don't know why they think they're getting a wrongful termination

suit. Even this mom can't be that stupid. You can't be that much of a boy, mom. And Dilia's like,

bet they'll get their jobs back. Benson's like, maybe, but maybe not, you know, the new board hired an all female artistic team. And Dilia says, good for them. And Benson's like, well, you considered going back. She goes, I spent my whole life in that world learning to leap high, spin in midair, feel the rush of innovation. It's the only dream I ever had. Now I imagine dancing on stage and all I can think of is everyone in the audience leering at me on the internet. And that's

never going to go away. Is it? And Benson doesn't answer her. And Dilia walks off with a tray of water

glasses. And that's Dick Wolf, baby. Poor Dilia. Poor Dilia. Yeah. Oh my god. I know so little about this. I know nothing. So I'm excited to hear you tell me what happened in reality. So this is like very close. It's in New York. It's I don't know. There's something about when we get to do a New York crime, which rude to the people. But this also didn't even go into criminal court. So that's that. Okay. So it's about Alexandria, Waterberry, and Chase Finley. And then

their case was really coinciding time-wise with this guy Peter Martens. And he was like, so those two

were dancers, this Peter guy, he was the head choreo guy. And I've ever, and so then it came down

“in the, and it all coincided with me too, which I think gave it more attention. And that's how she”

felt comfortable bringing it forward. But decades of bad, bad, bad, bad. Okay. So Alexandria, Waterberry, she's 19 years old. She's a ballerina at the New York City Ballet. Okay. NYCB. And then 2018, she sued the Ballet. And she also sued a former principal dancer, which is Chase Finley. For sexually exploiting female dancers and sharing explicit photos and videos of her with other dancers without her consent. And then there were two other male dancers involved as well.

So like, in the episode, calling a ballet, like, it's a man's game, which we've already talked about as it is wild. But that it's frakked culture, male dancers are allowed to exploit the women. The New York City Ballet lawyer was like, yeah, her complaint is allegations, not facts. And it's like, so annoying, because to me, it's like this word game and nonsense of like, aha, and it's like, what are you talking about? Like, what is your point? Like, how is what happened

“not a fact? Just because there's no, it's annoying to me. But I guess that's what defense attorneys”

are supposed to do. So Alexandria and Chase Finley, the boy ballerina, they dated for a year. And he took photos and videos of her without her knowledge while they were dating. And according to the suit, he shared the content with two other dancers and personnel at the ballet in text threads full of misogynistic language. And then the guys, obviously, like, denied being involved. So it's a Mar Ramasar and Zachary Katazaro. But they were sent the photos of people from the ballet

and they were suspended. So these guys were suspended. So I don't know. They were both ordered to be reinstated by an arbitrator in April of 2018. And Ramasar was cool with that. But Katazaro did not take his job. And he went to go dance in Germany. But Ramasar, but so the union fought for them and the American Guild of Musical artists fronted the legal bill for the pair. Ramasar what he did was he did send a photo of a breast in the group chat.

Okay. Of a person. So basically, they only received a pornographic material except Ramasar

sent one tip. He did. He did. So it was like a fucked up chat. You shouldn't be sending and doing stuff like that. But like, yeah, after the boys were gone, though Alexander started getting threatened from random people, calling her a job runner. They hated this bitch. And then the times reported how the loss of three principal male dancers on the eve of the ballet season was a big blow in a field where top flight male talent is rare. It's very like the porn worlds. That's

my no. I already said that. Everyone is coming for the girls. And they've got like I just I wonder if it's because it's so like the world's homophobic and maybe more men

“if more men did ballet. No, they would always try to get power. That's like their vibe. I think”

it's like also they're trying to make it as enticing of an environment for men so that more men

want to be like, hey, if you come here, you get to like fuck all these girls. We won't even. You're not in trouble for anything. You can do whatever you want. Like, you know, like you just make it, like a try to make it what you perceive to be a welcoming environment for men. But the New York city ballet is quoted in the BBC that they did not they deny the allegations that the company has condoned, encouraged, or fostered the kind of activity that Mr. Finley and the others

named have participated in. And so the male dancers did get in trouble and they just refused to negotiate a payment with waterberry and they said they have no liability in the case. I guess it's just what's strange to me is saying like we have nothing to do with it and nothing actually happen. We don't condone this, but they did get the guys in trouble so they don't condone it or do that. You know, and we'll get more and they do. And they've had evil people there. But yeah,

“I think the way that they try to say safe is just go, well, what happens in the dancers'”

private lives is like nothing to do with us, blah, blah, right? Exactly. But how do these guys say they have no liability? Your at least chase took video of her and sent it around. That's to some nation. Yeah. Well, that interesting you say that. So she told the ballet in June 2018, what was happening and this lawsuit didn't happen until September. So a few months later, she found photos of herself in the other dancers' nude on Finley's laptop. She asked for his password to check her email or just

like do admin on his laptop and then the text popped up, she says. And this is to the New York Times. He was sending texts like trading cards like, oh, here's a nude girl. Now you send me one. And he's like, I'll send you some ballerina girls. I've made scream. And then he also, he spoke to a

donor. And so basically the donor, this is reportedly by the BBC. I bet we could tie some of them

“up and abuse them like farm animals. And then Mr. Finley said or like the sluts they are. It's like,”

what is wrong with you guys? Like out of ballerina function, it's like so fog. Oh my god. Yeah, they're just like obsessed with ruining women's lives. It's like really crazy. But Finley did resign from the ballet August 2018 after the ballet question him about the allegations. So the ballet did take action that got rid of these guys, but you know, whatever. But at Waterberry is like, you guys encourage this behavior till there was like no longer possible, too. It wasn't like you

were on the forefront of taking care of this. You were forced into it. Finley, of course, is like fuck that. She did this as a publicity stunt to bolster her modeling career. And that's according to court papers in the New York Post. And you know, nothing gets you modeling jobs like talking openly about sexual abuse. Yeah. And she also went to Columbia University after, and like modeled it. Yeah, I don't know. And then he, of course, did a countersue and he's pissed and his suit.

He's like, she attacks me three times in a jealous rage. And that's in papers in the Manhattan Supreme Court. Um, and the dates of the hitting are documented. So May 13th, 2017, November 22nd, 2017 in January 30th, 2018. All of a sudden. So is that why you sent pictures of her without her consent

“around to people because she hit you three times? Like, is that what he's, is he using his excuse?”

I don't know. I'm not really sure. Yeah. I'm sure being I'm sure dating this. I mean, I don't condone hitting, but I'm sure this man was a real treat to date. But listen, waterberry dropped her demand for payment from the three other man and a judge tossed out the claims against the ballet, but the claim against Finley stuck. So you were right. Like, um, his stuck because of the sending of the photos. So the Manhattan Supreme Court justice James

Diagasty. I don't know to say it. Whatever. Toss 19 of the 20 claims in the suit out. And the other people couldn't be found at fault or responsible for Finley sharing the photos. I'm like, I agree. The judge did and call his behavior deplorable. And, um, but Finley thinks, yeah,

he's the victim. He countersued. He's pissed. And she never went to the police, which does make sense.

Like, people barely cared in the ballet place. Um, but I wonder what the criminal thing is for sending photos, but then they would say she wanted the photos, like they did in the episode, who knows? So we don't know if he ever had to pay anything or do any, if anything, ever want on his record or anything? No. Uh, socks. And then this has to do with the next case. So Peter Martins. And he was the ballet master and chief of the city ballet. And he retired

after the company began investigating allegations of physical and sexual abuse that were made against him. So January 1st, 2018, an article in the Times,

comes out that he's like retiring. And January 1st. I mean, the first article of the year. That's

accusations of sexual harassment, physical and verbal abuse of this like powerful leader guy

shaped the company for more than three decades. Like, he was there for so long. He wasn't really fired. He wrote a, I think he was like asked to leave maybe he was 71 at the time of the letter. He denies everything. Um, nothing, presumed innocence, like quitting. So put up pause for an investigation. But resigned before the investigation was done. And then in the New York Times, he's quoted going, I cooperated fully in the investigation and understand it will be completed shortly.

I believe it's findings would have vindicated me. And it's like the blacks, there's a stereotype

“that you're all creepy and bad. So like you have to work extra hard. Like we all believe this”

could be true. I don't understand the people that are shocked by it. Um, but yeah, he had a reputation

for having a volcanic temper and he had intimate relationships with the dancers. Um, he's also been arrested. He was also arrested days after the board was notified for drinking and driving. So like the board was told about all these accusations and all this fucked up shit. And then he drove drunk and was just a county. Okay. Um, so five city ballet dancers, one who was still with the company came forward to the New York Times, describing like physical and verbal assault going as far back

as 1993. So Jeffrey Edwards, he was a soloist and he accused Peter in 93 of physical and verbal abuse. He and he complained to the general manager, company manager and dancers union. And this is all in a statement to the New York Times. They all confirmed they got the complaint, but nothing happened and Edward shortly left the company. Um, so yeah, like they said, so they are committed to this investigation with this guy, but nothing really happened. And then more cases, so Victor Atrovsky,

he was 12 years old. He was a student of Martins and Martin grabbed him by the back of the neck in a death lock. He calls it and yanked him around left and right, digging his thumb and middle finger and piercing his muscle. Jesus. That's the New York Times. And he started to cry and he dropped out of school was depressed and embarrassed and said he assaulted me on stage in front of a whole cast. Another dancer, Elena Drenova, was a dancer in the Corda Ballet for 17 years. And she said

that he would grab her by the neck and kick her out of his office. And he would do that to almost everyone. There's tons of stories, punching walls, inches from people's heads. One time he slammed a dancer into a cement wall. But he controlled every aspect of the ballet from choreo to casting. So it's hard to speak up without professional consequences. But again, I can't imagine him being that good. There was a split in the company. Some were too scared to complain. But he is the worst

“and he shamed people's bodies. Obviously, I think that's like ballet. And abuse this power”

and was having sexual relationships with, you know, select dancers. Those dancers did tend to get better roles. It would suck to fuck him and still get a shitty part. Yeah. And some say that he has heard the careers of generations of performers. Yes. And then Vanessa Carlton actually. She was a former dancer with a school. And she sent an email to the vice chairman of ballet, Robert I lip. That's a silly name. And she said, dancers tend not to talk. I'm concerned that this

reticence is being misread as assigned to you and your fellow board members that they are not upset. And that's at the New York Times. So, and then the few people that did have this guys back,

it was very classic. Like, oh, you is nothing but respectful of me. Oh, I've never felt

in danger. Because their experience must be everyone's. And then there was a dancer who retired in 2014. And she's quoted in the Times. And she said, it can feel particularly risky. Both emotionally and career wise to be a whistleblower within our field. We aren't encouraged to use our voice to expose the dark side of what is also truly a magical industry for the sake of hurting our father figure teachers. The tradition of balladic patriarchy has held a closet full of skeletons.

That's like, oh, it's like a, you know, that's Wendy Whalen. And then the later half of this article was like, all the awesome things he did for the ballet. So I'm not going to put it into my thing. And then one of the people that was like in line to take over for him was Benjamin Millipede, who did the black swan choreography, who then married Natalie Portman and did cheat on her. So like,

“I think what we learn is men can't have power in any industry or world or they do these weird”

things, trying to tie up ballerinas, cheating on Natalie Portman. Yeah. What are you going to do? I'm like, look, I'm like, remembering George Ballin Sheen was like the big, like the the big, the premier choreographer of the 20th century or whatever, married a 16 year old, you know,

always, always. I only love Taylor Swift's choreographer, Mandy Moore. So anyways, let, oh, no,

I like a lot more. I still remember the Backstreet Boys choreographer from the early 2000s. I remember Wade Robson. Yeah. Of course. But yeah. And like, okay. And also, all of this is happening in the late 2000s, right? But in 1992, this motherfucker was charged with third degree assault against his wife, who was a principal in the company. Yeah. She was pushed, shoved, slapped, thrown into another room, causing her to cut her ankle. And that's from Lieutenant Edward

Moore of Saratoga Police. And he called it a domestic dispute. And the charges were dropped, but like, it's crazy. But the company said, well, they both showed up to rehearse and work together. So it's their own personal issue. It's not a problem. Yeah. The chairman of the faculty of Peter Wolfe, he said, the salt charge is a personal matter. And it's not going to affect his career. It has nothing to do with his competency or his support in the ballet community. That's Peter Wolfe

in the New York Times. February 15th, 2018, they did a two-month investigation. And they found nothing to corroborate the allegations. And then they made a statement announcing new policies to ensure that dancers feel safe, respected, enabled to voice their opinions and concerns freely. And these are the mixed signals that I keep of trying to, like, I feel like I've tried to communicate this time of time again. But here's where I do it. So it's the mixed signals. If there

was no verifiable abuse, but yet there's new policies, which is it. Like, why would you need new policies if there was nothing wrong with going on? Yeah. You know, if there wasn't, like, an environment where I was unsafe to speak up. Why is there new stuff? And like, this motherfucker, all his quotes, Peter, like he's a martyr, I retired to allow those glorious institutions to move past the turmoil that resulted from these charges. And that's to the times.

“And then the 12-year-old was like, fuck this, fuck the investigation. Like, what do you mean?”

There's no evidence that happened. It happened in front of a group of people. Like, I was abused in front of people. And Edwards teaches at Juilliard. And he said artists need a basic degree of safety and trust in their colleagues to thrive creatively. March 2020. So like, right at, like, yeah, so March 2020, as the episode comes out, the the times publishes water berry quoted, I'll be watching the Kardashians instead. But she did watch it. She said it was like a B movie. And she was

pissed that the dancers weren't wearing point shoes. And Martins, this will be a perfect end to all of this. He's collected since he's been let go and resigned and whatever all that, you know,

decades of abuse. He's collected after he's left and done not, no work for them. 2.8 million dollars

after like four years after he left. So since resigning, he's earned more than anyone else that is still employed by the New York City Bellet. So he gets hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

“It's like around $600,000,000 every single year. What kind of contract did this guy have?”

It's paid to death. Well, I'm sure if they like did debauchery or a criminal debauchery, a criminal behavior, they probably all have stuff on each other. Yeah. Yeah, like he's not the only one like throwing the dancers around. Like they would all be in trouble. So yeah, so he's like, I'm not as well just resigned and take collect on massive paycheck and not have to waste my muscles throwing dancers around the stage. What does he do? So work. And I like that. Like it was

acknowledged by the person that there's an SVU and like what and they again, excite thrilled that John Waters was involved. But this guy was left in 2017, right? Or when did he leave? Like what did this guy ever work at the New York City Bellet with these other with Chase and Alexander, did they just miss each other? Oh, I don't know about the overlap, but the this all does feel like it's coincide. Yeah. It was like to the New York City Bellet like a lot of the articles I found were like,

what's going on there, right? Like it kind of became a thing of like the culture there. Yeah, mixed all the cases together in like giant exposés and like the New Yorker had a piece.

“So I think it was like, you know, malicious and I think there was a lot of New York media talking”

about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's just so world people are interested in ballet. I'm just like so

happy that it's never really occurred to me to take a picture of a person that I'm having sex with and

send it to other people and say anything about that. But you say it's so simple. It's like, oh,

to be like, hey, she doesn't know I'm sending this to you. He doesn't know I'm sending this to you

by here it is, you know. Yeah, yeah, these people. All right. Well, I Karamba. I Karamba. I, I, yeah, it's giving center stage. I hope it's better with the women that run the board at the new fictional version. I'd be better anywhere ever. It's not our president's a human trafficking pedophile. He's about to, you know what I mean? What are we talking about? Yeah. I'm like, I'm sick of, I'm done. I'm sick of trying to be positive. Oh, we have to be a little positive. I'm positive

of individual people. Maybe getting justice once in a while or like some six stories or like people that get come up in like once in a while sure. I'll, I'll celebrate those wins and I'll

champion and do what I can, right? Yeah. But overall thinking that anything's going to change

at all in my lifetime, I'm not there yet. I'm, I'm not there anyone. Oh, I'm done. All right. Well, I hope this episode was into triggering for all of our ballerina friends. Let's get to our post more and we don't have a guest today. I mean, what a wild situation that this was like so close to what happened in the episode. Like when I saw the episode, I was like, oh, cool. You know, like, I guess, yeah, sure. Like people are probably posting this stuff all the time. And then people

“when we started the podcast were like, oh, you should do this episode that is from the real New York”

city belt. Because I think this all happened like the year before our podcast started. So people knew

about the story. But I didn't. Yeah, SV loves in New York. Crime. You know what I mean? And they love

the art. I bet it was your risk cause idea. I bet it was my risk. Yeah. A crime of the arts. I'm sure she's, I'm sure she's member at ABT. Alvinaley. I'm sure she's going everything. Yeah. Oh, my god. We didn't give it to Alex. Honol, he climbed the building in Taipei. You don't know about this? No. So you know free solo. Yeah. So he's a freak. He's climbing around. And so live streamed live on Netflix. He climbed like 11,000 or 11 hundred foot skyscraper, live, hopeless, netless, no safety precautions

for he's soloed the building. What the? And he was chill as fuck and having fun and like people were in the building looking at him waving like in the glass. Like people were like fuck yeah. And then the wind blew and you saw his abs and you were like, oh my god. But it makes sense because yes, you can climb all these things in your eyes. And then at one point there's like these

“circular discs and he hung off by like, what's the behind the knee meat? Like, what does that mean?”

Like, why it's wipe behind your knee? Like when you're hanging off the monkey bars, like what is that part of your knee hinge? Oh, the back. Like where you're camping. Like, if I meet in the back, you would hang. So he was just like hanging in the circular thing, like off the building. And everyone's scared, but to him, he just needed a break at low-alt. And then he's like, he took a selfie up top at the building and went down and it was like, I want to know if he could really do stuff.

That's cool. Well, to me, he's like such a purist. And like sometimes I'm like, is this a cash crox? They know you don't love to do things with pressure and for your friends if you do that. Like, because of the doc, you learn a little bit about his psyche. So I was like, I wonder how much they paid in. But then when he talks, he's like, yeah, what kid wouldn't want to climb a

“building. He's like, yeah, I'm going to climb the building. And it's like, oh, yeah, why wouldn't you if you could?”

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, okay, wait. But I want to know how much I want to talk about with you. But let's just the post-mortem of this episode. My takeaway is, am I advice for people is, don't go fucking a room that is like the fuck room. Like, just don't fucking room that is like, many people have gone to the designated fuck room. You deserve better. Yeah, like, just don't go into the room that already has blood and piss and semen in it. Okay. Like, we don't mean that you

lesser better than that. Because there's probably a camera mounted and your shit's come end up on the internet. I just too many props. Like, let's not do that. But also don't send around moods. If someone sends you a nude, it's a gift. Don't send it around. Yeah. No, we give it. You can't do that. It's really, really such a violation. And I think young idiots think it's like, oh, I got to show this around. She probably wants me to. No, nobody wants you to do that.

But also, I'm not a huge person of sending nude. So I just, I'm like, don't send them in general. But, um, I'm just going to admit to it. Tell me it's like, don't share. Yeah, send some fucking nudes. People are disgusting. Yeah. These guys don't even wait to like, these women break up with

It should be like bigger crime. Everyone should go to fucking jail. Yeah. If you do that for you, and you share it like jail, they need to redo these sad, like, because this is from like five years ago. But they went around and played the women. We do this legislature. We're like, you just ruin someone's fucking life by putting their shit up on the internet. You know, probably talked about that before. Hold on, speaking of owning things. We talked very briefly

before last episode about the Beckhams. And everything that's going on with the Beckhams. And I listened to a full podcast episode about it. Um, you guys know I'm a who, again, and I listen to who we

basically tricksy and caught you in who we clear the only other podcast I listen to. And they did a

full, like deep dive on it. They dissected everything that Brooklyn wrote in his Instagram stories and matched it up with what they're talking about. And so I got a lot of info. What's your interview? I don't have as much info as you. So tell me, tell me. Well, basically, they were there on his side. They're like the way that he first of all, it's the what he wrote is not very well written and he had just fired his publicist. Okay. So it's not like it's been orchestrated. Also,

I've heard from inside sources that she's done more than a bag of rocks and is not orchestrating shit. Okay. Like I heard like this girl does not have orchestration powers, like in up in that little dome.

“And so I think that like there was a lot of stuff in, did you read the stories? Did you see”

the stories that he wrote? I've heard about the wedding. Okay. So there's first the wedding dress and

the dance. Yes. The wedding dress, the dance, the dorm charity after the fires. No, no. And then the trying to get him to sign over his trademark to sign a renewal on his trademark, basically, before he got married. So last time I was saying, oh, he doesn't know his trademark. They're being so mean about that or whatever. Oh, yeah. That's yeah. I think they're now arguing that their kids all do on their trademarks or at least the ones that are like over 18. Well,

today they posted a family photo without Brooklyn. I mean, I think they're being crazy. If this if you really are concerned about your your son and how he's feeling a stranger to your family, like this is not the way the way that they're doing it. But what he was saying was that in this post, what he's alluding to. And again, he writes it in English that is like very hard to kind of like understand what he's talking about. They were pushing him like basically on the day of his wedding to

sign this thing that would keep the trademark in his with his mom or like to the family, because if they do it, if he signs it after, then it becomes one of his assets that he would have to share with his wife. So they don't want to have, but she's a billionaire. But they don't trust her. I think they think she might try to, you know, sell the name, Brooklyn Beckham, or do something, make a line of whatever. Like, I don't know, they're like, we don't want her to have access to it.

“That's why they were pushing him to sign it away on his wedding day. They like, they were,”

they were a little bit skeptical about this whole like inappropriate dancing thing because they can't really understand other 500 people at this wedding, including like plus staff and like all these people and like no one saw this, like no one got. But a couple people did write comments when this first came out saying, um, I was there. I saw that happen, her dancing in a properly with him, but their comments have been deleted. So I don't know if people are like, well, Mark Anthony,

I guess, I heard this part that at the wedding, Mark Anthony, saying, and when welcome to the stage, the most beautiful woman in the room, and then Posh went up there, and it was, he was talking to Posh. Which is not what you do. And then I guess Nicola ran out crying. The thing is, this is,

the one take that I saw that like, it's like this rich kid, these two rich kids who have never had an

“issue in their lives. Who have never had a job, who've never had anything. So to them, the worst thing”

in their life is like a drunk bitch mother and law. Yeah, and who didn't who hates your wife. Like, I don't, I don't know, get a job that, but that might be harder for you. Like, to have no anything about anything, like that's a perspective, I saw where I'm like, but that's not meaning that you can't have family problems when you're wealthy. Yeah, I just think that it's like the like, why are you posting photos of your family without him? Like, there's other things

you could be posting that aren't direct jobs, you know? But also what I was, uh, yeah, he, he said all this stuff about how like, you know, he's been controlled by them his whole life. Like, and they went to England to try to be with David for his birthday, and the whole family was ignoring them. They said he could only come to the party. They didn't invite the wife like you can't,

but Vogue wrote this whole article about it. And it's like, Vogue is going to write what they want

“them to write. You know what I mean? Like, but like, they're like, you know, Vogue has full,”

you have full control. If you're giving your photos to Vogue, I think you have full control. Like, great. Let's see the story. And then we'll give you the photos. You know, like, I don't think you're writing. And then the story of Bosch Beckham danced up on her son and in a weird way that made everyone feel uncomfortable. You know, like, I think everybody knows that like that family's very powerful. They weren't like going to start blogging about it after it happened. And also

it could have been something really subtle that looked like a hug. But she said he was like, nosiling his neck. So like, I don't know. I don't know. I just have on their side for some reason. I don't know why I'm choosing to have to side with a millionaire and a billionaire over a family of other millionaires. But like, I am, I am choosing that. I am siding with the children.

Because I think they're always, even when you're grown up, you're the parents and they're the

“children. And like you should, if you're actually trying to repair this, I feel like there's”

ways to do it. And it's not what they're doing. So that's my take on it. That's my take. That's not going to take your right. They should protect their kid. Yeah, they're protecting their money to their protecting their fucking PR. They're just crazy. It's like, of course, this is a reality star who came from nothing and only cares about being famous. Like, she's literally from billions of dollars. No, but she's desperate to be famous. She likes her own movies. Like,

people just don't want to hang out with her. Yes, sure. But I don't think it doesn't seem like a posture. She seems like no one has said yes. Like, everyone's like, you're billionaire and you're hot. And we want nothing to do with you. Yeah, I mean, kind of feels like a little bit of the hairy and mega narrative of like, you know, he's trying to protect his wife from this family that's being awful to her or whatever. Yeah, which I'm supporting right here. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, Posh has famously always been the bitch. Like, so I don't know if I was just

talking to a friend and they're like, oh, I didn't know she was fun. She seems fun after hearing all this. I go, she's always been funny and fun. She doesn't eat and she only drinks. Like, yeah. Well, and then that, when that little doc came out about them, everybody thought they were so fun. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was trying to be like, I was middle class and then her David's like, what did you get driven to school? And she's like, what? And he's like, say it. And she's like, a

rolls Royce, like, whatever. But anyway, let's move on to what would sister pegged do. More important issues are a foot. I did. I obviously, I don't really have that many resources for specifically for ballerinas that are having, uh, are being, being, you know, exploited with unconsensual, non-consensual video of themselves. But I want to talk, I want to point us this week to several websites that are helping the people of Minnesota. We got sent some of these by

some of our listeners. And overall, one is called Stan with Minnesota.com. It's a directory of places to donate that come from activists on the ground plugged into the situation. Everything's vetted. With the exception of individual go fund me's, uh, there's rent funds because like some people are unable to go to work and pay their rent. And so there's all kinds of stuff there. Food resources, everything. And then there's ILCM, which is the immigrant law center

“of Minnesota, I believe, not Minneapolis of Minnesota. That's a nonprofit that provides”

free immigration legal representation to low income immigrants and refugees in Minnesota and North Dakota. That's ILCM.org. And then my legal aid.org is mid Minnesota legal aid, which advocates for the legal rights of disadvantaged people to have safe, healthy and independent lives and strong communities. And both of those organizations are helping people that are detained, people that are undocumented and American citizens that have been mistreated by ICE. And yeah,

fuck. The kids, the kids, man. Yeah. So fuck ICE, please give money to these organizations if you have the means or, you know, post about them. If you don't have the means, at least post about them, share it. And let's get, let's get as much help to Minnesota as we can because I mean, I feel like this could be there already been in LA. They're already in my city. My friend was here from Chicago. She said that it's chilled out in Chicago. They could be back. They could decide

what their next target is at any moment and they could be taking over like, you know, fucking any other city that is has a mayor or a governor that Trump doesn't like. So I'm probably on a fucking list just saying, oh, shit. Oh my god. And a funer news, Mayor Moundani, he brought up heated rivalry at a press conference. Oh, yeah. I saw, I saw a problem. And I saw him shoveling out a car. I saw him going to a Zoom fucking school class. I mean, our mayor is working. He's out there

the kind of mayor like the mayor of Minneapolis. Like if this happened in New York, you would be

“fucking out there and talking and and standing up for the people of the city. And so let's fight”

for a fucking Minnesota Minneapolis right now because who knows who's fucking next anyway. Speaking of next Lisa, what's next week's episode? Wait, by the way, all of those resources will be linked in our show notes as usual. They will also be put in stories. The day that the episode comes out and then we save all of our WWS PDs in highlights on our Instagram page. That's messed up pod that are called WWS PD. So you can go there. If you listen to this episode in three weeks and you're

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