Five NBA Playoff Takes, Plus David Letterman’s First-Ever BS Pod Appearance (We Did It!!!)

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For this podcast, I'm going to freelance a little bit at the top because we had two basketball games tonight. I had a lot of scattered thoughts, but I really wanted to get to our guest because David Letterman after I've had this podcast since 2007.

So this is the 20th year I've had the podcast and he was always bucket list some day.

Maybe really number one for a long, long time ever since I had Larry Bird in 2012. And then really after that it was Letterman. My three guys growing up were Bird, Letterman, Eddie Murphy. So I guess now Eddie Murphy moves into the pole position of guy. I really need to get on my podcast, but having Letterman was incredible.

He's coming up later. I'm going to do some basketball first. I thought about doing a viewer mail at the top just as an homage to our listener mail in my case just as an homage to the mailbox that he used to do because I took the concept in 1997.

The moment I had my own column, I just would, I was trying to figure out things I wanted to do and one of the things I wanted to do right away was have my own mail bag because I knew it was because of Letterman. It had a huge impact on my life and it was an absolute pleasure to sit down for him. We talked like, it was like 75 minutes.

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All right, this top segment is brought to you by new era. I am recording right after Funder Lakers, game 2 in Oklahoma City, and game 2 was the game for the Lakers.

You got to stay at one of the first two against the team as good as okc.

They gave it everything they had. They shot 50-40-90 from the field. You do that. You feel like you're going to be in the game. Nope, they lost by 18.

Okc ripped off a 23-5 run in the third quarter, suddenly it was over. They're just too deep. They're too scary. Look at their box score.

“Did they have anybody that even played 30 minutes tonight?”

Let's see. Chat 32, Mitchell played 30, Wallace played 30, but they played 10 guys, they really played more than that. But really, they have this 10-man rotation. Game of Thrones played 14 minutes tonight, was their second best guy during the title

run last year. Now, I think their third best guy, because I think Chat has officially put on the Robin Custom to Batman, to flopping Batman, SGA, I kid, I joke. This is why I couldn't really get there with the SGA and VP. Even though I don't progress anybody who voted for him, I just think this Okc team is

incredible with the depth, the shooting, the defense, all the different lineups they have,

guys that can step up night after night after night and I'm looking at what the Lakers did. I thought J.J. did an awesome job in these two games. They, the whole team was locked in, they were running good plays. Their defensive strategy to kind of really hound SGA, press them, force the ball to other

guys. That's what you should have done. They were in these games in the second half where you look up and it was like a six-point game, four-point game, and none of it matters, because Okc can just do these runs.

“Basically the Lakers, because Luka has been out since I think April 2nd.”

They're turning 35 Luka minutes into about 10 for La Ravia, who's been a bust, 10 extra

the Marcus Smart, who is four for 13 today.

“I think he is for the, for the two games, let's say you have it down, 8 for 27, or 8”

for 28. It's one of those two numbers. But see, relying on him, I actually really like that La Bron's playing. One of the things that I had flagged for this series was how old was La Bron going to look, now that he's going against, like the Oklahoma City Pipples, it's kind of holding

his own.

This is pretty incredible what's happening here at age 41 La Bron.

It's certainly something, you know, the Houston was disjoined to it. It was a weird team, they were poor the coach, sitting in a point guard, La Bron. He's stuck in Game 5, but for the most part had a really good series, and it was like, "All right, well let's see what happens, get so Kasey." He's been, he's been really good, and none of it matters, and they're going to get swept

unless OKC just has a game where they shoot like 30%, which I don't see it happening. They just have too many answers. So, Noble Effort by the Lakers, and they lasted longer than the Celtics, although if they don't have a playoff win, now they still lasted longer than the Celtics, fuck. Who notes, was watching AJ Mitchell tonight, who was just incredible, really, really good

when you think like he's a bench player who can also start when they need him, but he can also do like a pretty good SJ and personation. He's only a second year guy and he's on a cheap contract. And I wonder, like you assume OKC or San Antonio or Minnesota, one of those three teams will win the title, but OKC is the favorite.

They won the title again, is AJ Mitchell has he been good enough that you could trade AJ

Mitchell with the number 12 pick, because I assume never to land number 12 in the lottery.

And maybe other picks that they have, because they have some future ones down the road, maybe loot dorts in the trade, could they get creative and do like 130 cents on the dollar type of trade and move up to the fourth pick and try to get Caleb Wilson, try to get another blue chipper, because the foundation of this team, you know, during the Durant, Westburg Hardener and Blue Chippers during this era, you have SGA and you have Jalen Williams,

you have Chet Holden, you have Blue Chippers. And you got to replenish the blue chippers and you also want guys on rookie deals.

“And I wonder, like, is how much of an asset is AJ Miller, AJ Mitchell?”

Because Legler was on here, I remember, I'm going to say he was either late November, December and we were talking about how impressed we were with AJ Mitchell and he was getting big minutes, because I think SGA was out for a couple of games.

And we were just like, could this guy run his own team?

Could you, could you look at this like a Jalen Brunson situation when Jalen Brunson was on Dallas and Luca got hurt and that Utah series and Jalen Brunson came in and kind of ran the team in a way or like, huh, what's this? Is AJ Mitchell, if I'm a GM on another team and I'm thinking about, you know, could I make, could I, how could I elevate fast?

Like, let's say Atlanta gets the number four pick and Caleb Wilson is the guy left or Kim Booser. I would personally take Caleb Wilson over Kim Booser, but let's take Caleb Wilson is left and you're a land and you're like, well, we could take Caleb Wilson here, put them in with the nucleus we have, give it a couple of years, we'll see where it goes, or we could get

AJ Mitchell, we could get the 12th pick, we could get Lou Dork, because they have calf space too. Like, could they do some sort of godfather move to try to, to try to be better right away and put the team in AJ Mitchell's hands?

“I think he might be good enough to, to maybe be like a discount, Jamal Murray or a discount”

Shay on the right team, he certainly shown it and the leaps that he's made. This is why this lottery on Sunday, which would be covering right afterwards on Netflix. This lottery has so many variables to it, starting with the Indiana Cooper's pick. But then also who lands, nobody's trading one, if you get one, you're taken to Bansa. I think two, three, four, it's debatable, teams moving back, teams may be being overwhelmed

and then if you're okay, see, like you're stashing all this talent, do you start thinking about it? Now, of course, I'm making trades for them and they're trying to win the title this year and go back to back and this is the last thing they're thinking about, but I do think this is what Sam Prestey thinks about.

So just watch Mitchell, he's averaging, I think, 17 a game in the playoffs. He's arguably been the best bench guy, even though he has not, you know, he started tonight, but you know what I mean. So what where does that go? Where does this lead?

Maybe it leads to him being the focal point of a trade with the 12th pick and some other stuff. Keep an eye on that one. There's gonna be a lot of stuff that happens this next five weeks. The other thing is the review system has to be better.

This game was almost three hours tonight and we had a couple of no brainers where it was like in the fourth quarter, there's, I'd be as clear path pal, foul. Seems like you just go over the monitor or you watch it once, like, oh yeah, and then you

There was a couple of flagrant possibilities and they just stare at it and they're watching replays, like they're Christopher Nolan, you know, edit in the Odyssey. And it's like just look at the replay, you should be able to know and then 10 seconds. I don't understand why they haven't sped this up and you have a sport like baseball that has added the shot clock and all these little wrinkles to just increase the pace of the

game. And the NBA just seems completely uninterested in it. So maybe instead of expansion, maybe try to improve the product before we start adding teams to the product would be my advice. Anyway, I think okay, see, I thought they were gonna sweep, I still think they're gonna sweep.

And if you're the Lakers, you didn't have Luca. I don't know what else you could have done other than maybe trade a number one pick for dissonant move, I still don't think he changes the outcome of this series. And you have a really good coach and you might, LeBron's done enough.

“I think you have to think about trying to bring him back on a, on a, on a smaller deal”

and trying to pay Reeves and then trying to build him around them. And let's Cleveland keeps doing what they're doing, which is what we're going to talk about next because this Cleveland thing is going so bad that we are now moving into a scenario of LeBron as the savior over the summer.

I didn't think it would happen during this season because I never thought Mitchell would

allow it, but honestly, Mitchell doesn't have a lot of say. He has never really had true playoff success to stats are fine, but he has never made a run. And you watch this series and kids the best guy in the series and Mitchell isn't. Cades controlling all aspects of it, Mitchell isn't.

And I think Mitchell is probably lost the right to tell the team you can't get LeBron. This team's going to make some moves, but I want to talk about the trade first. They've won five straight playoff games. It's basically cage is being awesome. And then enough to bias, I think to bias has been really strong.

The last week and a half, he always, they always know they can go to him with like eight seconds left in the shot clock. He'll get like a decent shot, he'll get his turn around. Their defense has been great. They've bullied the calves all over the place, what they did tonight was nuts.

“And I think the only good sign for Cleveland, I don't even know if this is a good sign,”

Detroit went 14 for 28 from three. And this game was still close with two minutes left. So if you're Cleveland, you're thinking, they shot the lights out. We played like crap, we're going to be home, we can flip this. The difference is not only can they not get stops when it matters, not only did they have

trouble chasing the three-point shooters around the line that Duncan Robinson's tough was terrible. Literally, he can do only one thing and you're letting him move around picks and getting wide open shots. The thing I was worried about with Cleveland and why I thought they had a, I thought last

series would be tough just because their defense is so sketchy, especially, you know, I just feel like you can get good shots and three-point shots on them if you want. Detroit's doing it. Detroit looks now the best they've looked all playoffs, but then you look at, you know, hard it's going to take all the shit tomorrow because he's nine for 28, the series 11 turn

over. Today was three for 13. He was over four and three. He's four turnovers. He was minus 15, the defense was worse than the offense.

He looks slow for him.

He always played like at a methodical, picked his spots kind of way in it.

Just he actually Detroit's making him look old and he's lost a ball multiple times on moves that he is to making his sleep for the first 16 years of his career. So this trade so far has been a disaster unless you're just thinking of it as a salary dump.

“But maybe that's what it was because Garland had that contract for a couple more years.”

The cookers took, I don't know if they made a wink wink deal with Harden, but if he thinks he's going to make $40 million next year or something like that would be irresponsible for a team that's way over the luxury tax anyway. He just hasn't been good. And the crazy thing is there were no signs at all that James Harden might stink in a

playoff series over the course of his career. We had no evidence. Oh, I guess we had a decade and a half evidence. Mobile is the one that's more interesting to me. I assumed James Harden would be up and down in the playoffs and he'd probably forget

the guard people and he'd have some bad games. And I'm sure maybe he'll come back and game three and have 27 points in tennis sists and I'll look fine. Then I'll stink and he'll do his whole James Harden rollercoaster at. Mobile is the more I agree just wanted me.

He's put up nine points of one rebound today, not in the first quarter in the whole game.

It was a classic, I forgot you were out there game. And this is, you know, he's he's 24 years old and Acon said made excuses for Harden after

He's basically like, we can't have our Hall of Famer take two shots in the second half. I'll take them. I would argue you probably could and I don't think he's playing like a Hall of Famer anymore. James Harden. What he really should have said is I'd love forever and won't wait to show up in this series

because Detroit's pushing us around and pounding us. I got this email. I was going to go mail back at the top and I ended up having too many basketball thoughts. Acon only from Australia wrote, I'll keep it simple. Does Evan Mobile's suck compared to what he should actually be?

Interesting question. It's not that he sucks. It's just the standard we have in our head, does he suck for that? He now has multiple playoff appearances and nothing really show for it. What are you doing with your Evan Mobile's suck, which I have a ton of from when he got

drafted. All right. So we're five years in, it's 24 years old.

“This is where you should start showing signs that you're rounding into the player you're”

going to be. I think he's an 18 in nine guy. This is what he's been in pretty consistently all the way through. He's been 18 in nine. Shut 30% from three of this year and he went backward.

Last year, I felt like he was coming on as a three-point shooter, went the other way this season. In the playoffs, every playoffs he's dropped to basically be in a 17 and eight. It's fine. Second team on B last year, who's done consideration this year and the fear for me, you

see noticeably better than he was three years ago or did we just kind of flatline it from year two on as he just doing this because when you're I think from 24 to 27 is when you should be going up and by 27, 26, 27, you should be at the peak of your athletic powers and pretty close to the peak of who you're going to be as a player. The fear is he might be a you are where you are guy at this point and I don't really

know, you know, you could say maybe if they didn't have Jared Allen, he was a center maybe his stats would go up maybe he's almost like a smaller ball five.

Sure, here's the contract numbers because it kicks in next year, five years, 269 million.

I'm getting a really good defense of where who I don't think got any of the defense votes this year but did last year and I'm getting 18 and nine and I'm getting situations where I don't really feel him and I feel his impact in the game the way I should for

“a max guy and I wonder like will he be the fall guy?”

What's he worth? Let's say Brooklyn got the third pick in the draft and they have a ton of cap space and they don't have their pick a year from now so it's actually in there and just to be better this year and Cleveland really has to get away from luxury tax and what if they offered mobile we straight up for the third pick is he worth it?

Would you rather have Kim Booser on a rookie contract or Caleb Wilson or rookie contract or would you rather play pay mobile you 50 million a year and if you're the calves would

you rather save 40 million give half of that to LeBron and that's your new team you've

Caleb Wilson and LeBron instead of a mobile I just think these are the questions that are going to be asked about the calves and the calves have now moved in a pole position for I'm prepared for anything I'm prepared for Mitchell asked for a trade I'm prepared for them and just trade Mitchell I'm prepared for a mobile trade Jared Allen would be easy because he's making less money but he's still still making you know 30 million

year which is a lot for our center that's on and all star and then hard in or they're going to keep his contract or not this team everything's a play yannices and play pick a Jamal Murray for Mitchell like crazy shit like that they're just going to be an all-time trade

“machine if they continue to proceed in the series like they are and the trade I think”

is just more physical I think they have the best player and I think they're going to win the series and I find it hard to believe that Cleveland will come back and win four out of five so that will open the door for a lot of stuff including what do we have with them and mobile where are we going? Next sixers really fun game too a lot of lead changes

I never felt like Philly was going to win now and bead was implying but I just kind of

trusted the next to finish it and I don't really know why I trusted in the same way where last year with the Celtics I didn't trust the Celtics who hold on to the weed as it was evaporating and bead lasted a week and somehow knocked out the Celtics and then went out again and I can't tell you how many phone calls emails text related to the Celtics I've been on as all the Celtics fans have spent the last five days just kind of wondering

what the F happened why did Tatum why wasn't he out of minutes limit why did they run Tatum in the ground why did run Harper start game seven why did they get away from their style that worked for the whole regular season why did they play Vusavich at all why didn't

down and wear him down because he was the key to the entire series why didn't they put

him bead into the pick and roll stuff that the next just immediately did in game one just the the the recipe that was sitting there for the entire series for the Celtics I need it I need it I need some it's a honey water hold on I want that on camera that's how worked up I had to get water for my voice but really one of the worst series losses I can remember for Boston team because I as I've said now in three podcasts and

I don't think they ever thought they were losing a Philadelphia I think they use the series as this testing ground let's fuck around and then panic when things started to not work out so the sixers it was great they advanced the next round they're going to

“listen next and I think the best thing is they they flipped those Celtics sixers situation”

they revive Paul George's trade value which is huge because I think they can get off that contract now if they want to they might not want to the way he went at Brown and and Tatum and even in the in next game too I thought he really went toe to toe with those guys their one chance of coming back is a fan of nobody's not healthy and seems like he's going to be a game time for game three we'll see what they do with the rafson game three the thing with the

next is that they're deep enough that you know they'll just hope bridges to go in the in Adobe roll they'll play their bench they have good bench guys I think and I would just be surprised if this went more than five games and I think the big mistake Chris Ryan said it we did we did rewatchables we taped the traffic thunder rewatchables on Monday and Chris Ryan said

“it we hadn't even seen a sixers next game yet and he was just like I don't know why we're playing”

a bit tonight we're not going to win while we put in the miles on him rest him like make game to the game and some out Chris Ryan knew more than everyone on this sixers because they played him in the end of getting banged up we'll see if he plays I'm not really sure it's going to matter and if the mix end up blowing this it would really rank way way up there because it's just feels like they're in complete control mix fans I know a lot of them lot calmer than they were

before game for the Atlanta series I got an email from Tony Showtime who said in the last few months cat has improved his defense he's fouling people less and a step into a playmaking leadership roll technically true maybe is averaging like success right now he's also just kind of likable I've been telling my friends he's rocky foring me cat is rocky and rocky for it I am the Russian crowd I came into the experience not as a fan but his play and perseverance is won me over have you ever

been rocky forward by an athlete take care of BS don't forget to feed house that's from Tony Showtime I put some thought into that I was trying to think who my greatest rocky four guys were and number one is JD Drew who the Red Sox sign in the mid 2000s and I just really disliked them the patience at the plate I just never thought he was going to get ahead ever he played passively and I have the spirit of the 04 Red Sox and we paid him I think 70 million for five years

and I never liked him and then he hit the 70 million dollar grand slam against the Indians

and ended up swinging to 2007 playoffs and he totally rocky forward me I've been my Derek low roller coaster ride with Derek low and the Red Sox for years there and then he threw no hitter then he became a playoff hero I mean with so many heroes in 2004 and he was one of the best ones

“I think I can't remember he pitched on like two days rest all this playoff games fun together”

that but he was one of the heroes so he's one Chris Hogan when the Patriots signed him and it just seemed like we've pushed it one one too many white guys too far and then and then he came up big in the one playoffs and made a couple of big catches and gained my trusty rocky forward me and then Porsingus was my last one I really was worried about Porsingus what was that

gonna look like why couldn't you play with Luca the trade made sense but deep down I was never

a Porsingus guy and then by the time we finished the 2024 finals that would have run through a while for him so I think those are my four finishing last Nikola Busovich I think he's a rocky five guy that's where I landed on him last series wolf spurs I thought the wolves were actually gonna have the either tag or the rest of the playoffs and they played game two with we got one already

going early they tested out Carter Bryant which I feel like he's gonna be really important for the series because the way he guards Randall and Nas Reed gives him a little size would go and be nice win all the way around they killed them the spurs are one of those teams where when they're up 20 they look unbelievable still a little worried about them and the last four minutes the tight games will see what happens you know when we get to Minnesota I still feel like this is a

50 50 series that game two did not scare me off Nick Wright and I talked a lot about it on on on on Tuesday's pod on and whatever you look you they it was a recipe for blood I didn't see it I thought Minnesota was gonna show up but they got the game they needed to get a couple male back questions then we'll get to Letterman this is from Frank you did the lottery karma rankings have mentioned the heat not having a top 10 picks and so wait you mentioned the band 83 point game

but the biggest karma coming Miami's way is Miami getting screwed on the roger trade only

getting a measly second round pickback the league left them in limbo for months and then ruled

that Miami couldn't even get its own first back could that incentivize the basketball gods to sprinkle enough karma to grant them a top four pick this year that's from Frank you know what when I'm wrong I should have thought of this they've really got screwed on that roger thing they traded for a guy who is now under a federal felony investigation from point shaving and first stuff that he did when he was on the hornets so yeah I I have to adjust my rankings I still

“have been the in a first Atlanta second washed in third I think Miami's fourth because I forgot about”

the roger trade I think that's a lot of lottery karma points so thanks to Frank for putting that one out this comes from Morgan Taylor who is a Toronto Raptor Span and he says a missile you hear he's stand and he says my biggest fear now is a Raptor Span is that Yannis asked to go to Dallas

and in the opening press conference Yannis comes out and says he's always wanted to play from

a site these guys have had a long time relationship and and when it when we first started Yannis might be available Toronto is always a team Morgan says that really felt like Toronto had a solid chance of landing him up until they fired the best exec in the NBA to save a few bucks thoughts I hadn't thought of this I've been very focused on Yannis J. Lambrount trades in whether it made sense to trade for Yannis and how many years he could have left here at

an elite level with a lot of miles on him in a lot of injuries last year and had he didn't even realize Boston might have not even be the main contender the Dallas that makes a ton of sense from Dallas I have that pick which will see what happens in the lottery but they're going to be

“somewhere between one and eight I think they have like a 35 36% chance of moving the top four but”

let's say it's going to be six seven eight range which will still be a really good player in the straft and I think a nice trade thing I was trying to figure out things they could do and things Milwaukee would want and one thing that would really help ironically the Celtics have this giant

28 million dollar trade exception so they could take Daniel Gaffert in the trade because they need

another center he's making almost 20 million a year send houses back to Dallas into the trade exception they have so Dallas would say 10 million there and then be able to add Yannis and then Milwaukee they would get the Clay Thompson Najig Marshall experience Max Christie Dallas is 2,026 first okay sees 2,026 first because they have that end of the round but still and then they have the Lakers 29 first maybe throwing a swap there and the only reason I don't think they would

do this trade Milwaukee is because you know they don't have control of their picks the next five years so just doing a trade for picks and say and to save money basically doesn't help the situation of what happens if we have a top three worst team next year and we don't have our pick but it is interesting so I wonder like what would be the tipping point of picks and stuff Dallas would have to throw in there if I'm Dallas I'm doing everything I can't end up with Kyrie Cooper flag in Yannis

you know within reason and if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen but really interesting what Yannis is trade value is and how desperate teams are to go after him and you know we've been talking

“about it for nine ten months but I think a lot of teams are looking at this the same way guys been”

in the 2013 draft to now 13 years hasn't really been 100% healthy through a season for a few years now and what are you trading for and how much do you want to trade for the risk of this could be Dwight Howard in the mid 2010s for all we know thinking about that out my team. I think the reason the Celtics would think about it is Jailins got the three huge years left Yannis has one huge

you get lucky if you saw Brad Stevens's press conference he was not happy with the playoff series how the team played um being his three point happy is they are he mentioned dunk multiple times and mentioned just being more physical and it just it felt like he was laying a lot of breadcrumbs to Yannis trade so we'll see this could end up being a Yannis I think that teams will keep we'll keep adding to the list as as more and more teams have unhappy endings to their season

Tom from Toronto this is the last one I'll do oh I got two left Tom from Toronto I want to know has ever been more of a peak time for local sports radio content in Boston thank god I'm not there right now uh from variable to J1 to the Red sex just hot topics all

“around has any other time beaten it so right now for sports radio topics and you have to understand”

Boston sports radio which is notoriously horribly negative and always glass half full at all times

so this is like a gold mine you have the Celtics chocan and round one Joe Maz rantatum into the ground does J1 one out and fake Yannis trade so that's the Schmorgas board right there the Red sex just fired their manager their GM's a robot they have the curse of mookie bats they have once since 2018 now they've been 20 dumb moves and everyone wants John Henry to sell fodder all the way around Bruins 15 year cup drop wasting pasta's career he's 30 years old now

they just got screwed over in the lottery where the Maple Leafs picked dropped one spot they got the six pick in the draft instead the Maple Leafs won the lottery see of that and then you have the Patriots bear us in Super Bowl loss you can do though where they ever go to a long fourth

play it fourth play schedule the first play schedule um Drake May did you rope it up us you have

all that you have the AJ around trade and then you have variable the head coach in the Lincoln Patriots being involved in one of the two or three craziest Boston scandals ever for sports so there's that so I went through all the years of my head and I settled on a year the only one I could think of that was as kind of loaded as this one 1996 so I'm talking winter 1996 into 1997

“which was one of the worst winners to live in Boston just in general I think we had like four”

blizzards that year but we had the Patriots made the Super Bowl and then parcels decided he was on his way out he was gonna coach the team so breaking up with craft to make the Super Bowl find out that he was maybe even planning to do the Jets so we had that everyone everyone's taking sides people are pulling the craft parcels unbelievable talk radio topic and the Super Bowl us you had the Celtics who were in full tank mode at that point for Tim Duncan and Tim Duncan's

playing college basketball you're the Bruins who were the worst team in the league that year they ended up tanking as well and then you had Clemens leaving the Red Sox and drawing the iron

everybody we're so mad I that was I think my second or third piece ever a freest painted 2001 was

called is Roger Cummins the Enterprise also with the Yankees just won the World Series so

“if you're just talking about like a dark dark dark place for Boston fans I think”

96 was worse you know we've had a lot of good stuff happening with the Boston teams but this is a lot of fodder which leads to my last email from Zach and Park and Forda is the big winner out of the rabbi rabble recini scandal actually Drake May had a terrible playoff run captain the Super Bowl performance that would have followed them all off season however rabble like a true leader has completely taken that burden off his young

QB even if May starts off slow next year it's almost a guarantee that rabble will still be shoulder in the blame due to the chaos he has caused Zach from Parkland finally a silver lining in the in the variable recini scandal um this story what I did a whole thing I think two three weeks ago about how crazy the story was and every time I think it's it's over something else happens leading to what happened today which was TMZ video of a seven months pregnant

Diana Rossini going on a play and destined boat trip in Tennessee with Mike Frable while she was carrying her future future son Michael yeah this is a fucking crazy story I don't this is the first time I talked to my dad today where we were like can he still coach the team like this is you can take a leave of absence is more stuff going to come out there's video them in a boat trip in 2001 a 2021 I just

it feels like every day there's three social media clips her on some podcast and

nightmare I feel so bad for everybody um involved and yet you can't look away it's like a car accident

“and honestly I used to have this thing the Tyson's own when any story I think I started in”

early 2000s were the Tyson's own got to the point where you would just believe any story about Mike Tyson you'd be like Mike Tyson got in a fight with a zombie bat and bit the bat set off you're like I believe it I'm hitting that point with this receiving variable story I don't I went from I don't want to talk about this at all to being like wow we might lose our coach and I guess the only reason we would in is you know our owner has an exactly doesn't have a

clean slate of things that's happened with him either maybe he'll be a little more forgiving try to be

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I feel less important if I invited myself in here but thank you for having me thank you for tolerating me and thank you for whatever we have ahead of us so you're here for L.A. for well that's right oh yeah we talked to John Malayne last night I don't know I just love the kid he's tremendous he's he's so nice he's so bright he's so funny he's so multi-talented

“and I think he would make it different for difficult for other comedians in his group because”

he is he's the guy to chase boy do you feel like he's somebody that in any era he would have been exactly a success I think I think you're right I think you alluded to that earlier and I think that does apply to him because he doesn't seem to be locked into the 2020s you know he could have been in the 1990s and and earlier for heaven six so you have a son in college I do have a son in college why this is like working with crescan well to have a daughter of college but how much I have the

daughter of college and a son who's a senior in high school yeah how much have you learned from comedy and content just through your son not much he's very little he's he is I don't know how

share with his father interesting yeah I'm always like I'm always badger in my kids what are you

“watching yeah what do you care about yeah who are the people well I I badger my son as well but the”

response is always yeah what do you care so yeah I will say he frightens me from the time he was born I've been afraid of him because in the beginning I was fearful that I would do something that might damage him yeah and I kept cautioning his mother I said don't drop him because you hear these stories about infants being dropped she said oh don't worry I'm not going to drop him so I'm at work one day and I get a call in the middle of the day oh I'm so sorry I dropped a baby

I said oh well good Christ there you go you've dropped a baby can I grab you yeah baby was

I'm saying okay yeah the baby is okay unless that's the reason he has that attitude toward his

father I'm not sure well you gotta be angry with his mother for God's sake well you have my still angry with his mother you had all this I mean how old were you when your son was born

“in your near mid-50s right later I think I was 57 is that about what it's just stupid I'm”

trying to imagine what my life would be like now if I had a baby and I don't know I'm so set and all these different structural ways sure just introducing that well that was my reluctance up until the time I realized we better do this now right and then it became the best thing I ever did in my life I know every parent feels that way but I certainly shared that and then great regret about it not having done it earlier well when you did your your retirement

show and you told that whole story about you were out looking in birds with your son and there was this bird you couldn't figure out what the bird was from it came back and with the way you set up that story and I just was watching it when it was happening like oh my god is he's setting up the retirement because there was like real thought put in behind yeah I tell you the story

“because this is now becoming more important to me than the show these little moments with myself that's”

right and I thought that was a pretty good device yeah I'm not sure if you took it to court it would hold up that but at the time it served the purpose well how difficult was that show for you because that I thought that was one of the four five best shows you ever did oh you did the way to time yes yes you're very kind and here we go but thank you thank you very much Bill let's talk more about you no I want to I want to hear about the show though how hard was it to know you're

going to do that there were so many other things tangential to that moment in my life it was not difficult and I had been doing it for three decades more or less every night yeah so the part of me the internal mechanism felt like oh you don't worry you're going to continue this without knowing it it's like getting out of a car that's still moving I just assumed oh yeah there'll be more of these so the the real difficulty of it didn't set in for about I don't know a year or two or three years

well two years because everything had been programmed for me I was taken care of and I didn't I wanted for nothing I whatever that is I didn't want for anything so I didn't I just assumed to keep going so it wasn't difficult because there's this moment when you actually set it where it felt like there was like two seconds like oh my god it's the words of left my mouth yes I was more concerned with telling the story than I was with what those words meant right there was because it was

television and there's a certain artifice about television as we all understand so there was nothing personal about it it was a piece of business right you know because you grew up I will not grew up but when you were young adult idolizing Carson which I did as well yeah and Carson left and he was gone I don't even know if he has an IMDB credit after the tonight show he was just we have some again yeah I was sorry he was there was a fellow who was a comic of of some success and he loved

Johnny Carson and he was out in marina del Rey after the retirement and Johnny's vote was anchored in a slip there at marina del Rey and as he's walking down the dock he sees Johnny in a chair on the dock reading the newspaper well now he's he's crazed because my god there's Johnny and he starts calling Johnny because after Johnny has retired and he he wants an interaction with Johnny and Johnny recognizes that he's being called stands up folds up the newspaper and goes below decks

that was it yeah I just love that there there are a million stories of friends of mine who have

had interactions with Johnny where it was like puff and he's gone but wait a minute Johnny was just

after he retired which was great yeah that was a significant thing and I think that was the last thing he ever did might have been might have been yeah might have been but also not surprising at least in his case well the fact that he went away just cold stone goodbye good night I'm not coming back I found that troubling a little bit and and I can't imagine that have happened thing for myself not that I can make that comparison to Johnny but suddenly you stopped

doing something and he really did but I could never have done that I had to keep doing stuff

“that's why I brought that up because part of me thought you were just going to be like that we”

never see you again you'd be living wherever I wish I I kind of wish I was that guy but I'm just I'm just not there's a lot of people from I would say you're generation who are still going at the at either the same rate or a slightly reduced rate but like Lauren is still doing SNL but he's over 80 now Howard Stern just re up for three years Larry David who left curve I think I don't know if Kerbs going to come back but now he announced the CHBO show and I actually asked Larry like

I thought you were done why and he's like what am I going to do I still love doing it that was his attitude no the real trick when I was a kid when everybody was a kid was at 55 was retirement age or 60 65 something like that what a joke that is because you get to that or to the threshold of that and you realize holy crap I have nothing beyond this what am I going to do so if you're productive and happy just keep going for God's sake and I understand this is no great revelation

but it's what I experienced and I think it's just what you describe there yeah and some people people a lot of times will say like the people who keep going and keep going and keep going and they end up living longer anyway those people that you know basically guard I'm done I'm just going to play golf like that's when you get in the trouble yeah that doesn't work does it yeah now you

“have to have interaction you have to be doing things and you like to think if I love I love”

have a guy ideas and all my life I've had trouble taking them from being ideas to fruition

and you can have a billion ideas and when their ideas they're the same size so when they're that

size of an idea everything is manageable and I have trouble getting it to the stage where well how do we do this how in fact do we change it from something you manage in your head to an actual occurrence I can identify that well I don't think there's no good at having ideas and sometimes not good at executing them I you look around your life and it seems to me like you've had very little trouble actually I've had some help that a lot of good people are yeah we you said about people

retiring at 55 I feel like the curve is totally screwed up now you know because if you think about the way life was 50 years ago people didn't even really expect to live past 60 right all the ways things

“were different I mean think about this with horse racing somebody I saw somebody had this great point”

about how much people used to care about horse racing because horses were part of our lives yeah oh yeah how many horses were people with horses even now that's right they were integral to

existence in the world and then the sport that that transformed and recreation for us yeah I never

occurred to me that that's in our like better place by cars and people care more about F1 than horse racing because people identify with cars but yeah I have this thing I brought you I saw I saw a documentary with your name on it about the yacht rock music yeah that was one of my what am I two years ago and I'll just tell you about the at rock this was the music when I went to California Southern California it was K&X FM and that's all they played the mellow sounds of Southern California and it

pretty much was all what we now know of as yacht rock and I thought it was trifling and didn't have much interest in it as serious music and then I saw how it was kind of dissected and discussed on that documentary and I realized no wait a minute these guys were really up to something pretty good yeah high high quality stuff and I'll tell you what's a bit of problem for me if you have the serious radio and you dial up yacht rock they have some stooge some cartoon character pretending he

some snobby wealthy superficial asshole enjoying yacht rock and it's not for the people it's only for the elite I hate that guy and is what poison yacht rock for me until I saw your documentary thank you and then I once again I had real respect for it it was great I enjoyed that one of the things I love thank you one of the things I loved about that idea it was an era as it was happened

we're actually telling a story of all these people didn't realize they were part of something

“they felt marginalized and the bigger picture rock I think it was California when I got out there”

that's all I listened to and it was delightful and then later when it was given this label and I understand how the label was applied yeah these these as I learned on your documentary but then this moron on serious exam with that bullshit accent about I'm upper crust I'm East Hampton yeah and this is what you're talking about can you do that you can do that you can make people disappear my big passion is when they play the when they play yacht rock music that's not yacht rock

in the yacht rock channel oh yeah yeah yeah bread is not yacht rock just stop air supplies that yacht rock get them off yeah and then and then listen to this but of course you'll listen to it you're sitting right over there and the producers didn't bother coming in when I had a morning show on NBC yeah and I knew a friend who was a friend of Irving Azeoff

“and in those days Irving Azeoff I think before he became a flat out criminal crook in the world of music”

and by the way if I've got the facts of this wrong I'm sorry they said well we can get Michael McDonald if you want Michael McDonald to write your theme music oh my god yeah oh my god it's right and I said you're kidding me and they said nope and sure enough Michael McDonald wrote the theme music to our morning show and now having seen him as the integral iconic the king of yacht rock king of yacht rock now I'm eager we have this piece of music that he wrote

for us a thousand years ago and and here's another idea I would like to use that somehow so if you have any ideas and by the way I think he must still oh no of course he doesn't own it Irving Azeoff must own it oh Jesus but they're use that on something yeah we had we couldn't get steely damn to be in the yacht rock thing because they hate the yacht rock label they feel like they weren't yacht rock people like really genuinely hate let's call it something else for the love of god yeah

I mean the mellow sounds of southern California is what I identified it as yes so we finally

talked them into it but only if he got to trash yacht rock as the interview he did for the I rock and then he cleared all the music for yeah because really they set up they set up that Southern California sound that became yacht rock so we had to have them documentary so anyway here when I saw your name on producing things and I knew you were the genius behind thirty for thirty and this came across my desk Jimmy Murphy American icon take a look at that and see if you can do anything

with that Jimmy Murphy American icon yeah all right I'm gonna look at it okay give me the pitch though give me the well he's the only American to have ever ever won a grand prix race in an American built car that's not true he's one of two the the other one was Dan Gurney he won the Belgian Grand Prix in a car that his company built and this man Jimmy Murphy won the French Grand

“Prix back in the teens I believe in a dozen bird which was built in the United States two men”

have won races in the F1 system in American built cars and this is in the air of board tracks when you would have oval courses oval tracks and they were all made of wood the track surface was wooden highly perilous because of guess what splinters who it's all right but he but he was a true icon and went over to France and the French disliked him because he won so handily even though his car was falling out from under him and they were going to disqualify him because

well sure he won but can he drive at home and they said well no he can't drive at home but he's still won the race and other other drivers in the event protested on his behalf and said good lord the man won the race who cares big a drive is typical of the French you feel that way I do the I do as well because the NBA Victor and Binyana Yamba is gonna take over 7 foot 7 French guy and I'm a little nervous because we've had a mixed checkered history with the French

is it because he's 7 7 and French but he's still set mostly because he's 7 7 or he contains that other quality that makes him a great player so being 7 7 helps because he's a huge obstacle anytime you're thinking about trying to score but he also plays like a guard

and there's never really been anybody who moves like him and he it's weird because he's

his whole life has been conditioned to be successful in the NBA from when he was 12 years old he's a new face of the NBA now I think we're heading that way if he can stay healthy

fall where he doesn't get hurt when he falls he learned English when he was like 12 13 like he's been ready for this for 10 years so a little a little nervous you mentioned southern

California in the 70s I can never tell how much you like California I loved it then I came from

Indiana and moved out there and it was troubling the first move to California from Indiana because you'd go days well here we are in southern California you go days without seeing a cloud in the sky and I thought that was odd I just thought that was bad for you I don't know if it's bad for me I just thought it was odd because in Indiana every two or three days you get a riproar and thunder lightning storm maybe tornadoes and high winds and stuff and hail and it was great but in California

it was always that white hot silvery sun in the aga robins egg blue sky right like nothing was

“going to happen and I can remember one time a surprise thunder storm blew up in over Mexico somehow”

and it rained unexpectedly and nobody had known it was going to happen and oh my god hospitals quit scheduling surgery they shut down the freeway schools were closed it ran for like eight minutes and I and I just thought I I can't I can't be friends with this place yeah we have floods sometimes and the floods come from like an inch and half of rain yeah and then whenever the freeways get weight and get wet it's holiday on ice yeah just look out so it took me a long time to get used to that

and then I began to love it for every reason everybody loves California yeah you were here initially in the 70s and one of the 75 yeah that was like the one of the best times ever to be here

well I always liked to mention it was so good because Jerry Brown the governor was dating

Linda Ronstein oh wow and I just thought well this is heaven let's can this go on forever yes why why not one of the first great celebrity couples and you're in that whole stand-up scene in

“the 70s oh yeah do you have any sort it was great and and I think many people identify a creative”

circumstance period in their life as oh it was like Paris before the war well maybe maybe not but it was pretty good it was a but but but a bunch of really funny funny people and you would go to work at night and in return for your time on stage you got to hang around these people and they would make you laugh because not only they're material but they were funny people and they would do funny things and they were unusual folks of quite a quite a great stimulating peer group yes

so you're you're doing this stand-up but you're also like writing for these sitcoms because we had a million sitcoms back then yes that's right and that was so good too because you would say you'd get hired to write a TV show and and the pre-production would be like six weeks and in my

“case I got to understand that I was only going to have that gig for six weeks and I'd get fired”

and then they'd get another six-week gig and then I'd get fired and it was delightful because I

never had the headache of actually having to work on some show with day after day after day week

month after month and it would always be new people and new stuff and you knew from the beginning that they sucked with their show where you're like how the hell am I picked to write this show well yeah most of I was I was hired to write on something called the Paul and comedy hour oh and Paul and was tremendously funny he was he was an actor the Hollywood square as he was always the center square on Hollywood square yeah and really funny and quick-witted but he was a neurotic

and and and I'll just say wacky and the the Paul and comedy hour it was Tony Randall it was Paul in and it was Gloria Doris Pleachman Lerra Leachman of course it's a course Leachman yeah and this one sketch that we were rehearsing Paul in was the was Mary and Kloris Leachman and the minister conducting the ceremony was Tony Randall and Tony Randall was the ex-husband of Kloris Leachman so there's there's comedic stuff there that seems like a lot of things

happening for that one and it's probably not a wedding and the biggest news was Kloris was so upset with somebody that she threw her bridal bouquet and it hit hit to him in the right in the face and it was all chorus and he didn't run out of the rehearsal it was a high drum oh my god yeah but he was very very funny and then you're on the maritalia more variety thing to our member yeah that was a good experience because it confirmed everything and knew about myself which was

I have a very low threshold of embarrassment very low yeah and every Wednesday they would

be professional dancers and it would be the cast of which I was a member and we had I can't even say it I would watch everybody in the room dance and you just kind of sort of mimic that that move you just made there I couldn't even must do that I would have to be hooked up to a car battery to make that move and so we did 10 shows and then I just had to get out I they changed the format the show was not successful and I just excuse myself there's some things about like

“when I think about the stuff I watch growing up variety shows are one of those that I just can't”

explain it and it really only worked for the 60s and 70s and then they would try to keep making work

in the 80s 90s 2000 never worked but like we watched Donnie Marie that that was a really important

show Ben Verine had won I watch a lot of those and I don't know if it was just because we did not better choice they're the backbone of network television that and half our situation comedies but what you were in for something with those one hour variety shows yeah flip Wilson head of a variety show on and on and on now we just have shows where it's three straight hours set in Chicago and it's like fire police hospital yeah you just wait you just get to go at different

the worst parts of jobs in different cities and that's three hours of your life it's interesting

“and back in the day that you were referring to you couldn't even pretend the TV would ever go away”

no and now here it seems to be teetering well I talk I talk to my kids about this a lot because I'm really fascinated my generation we all watched a lot of the same TV shows a lot of the same sitcoms all out of the same movies we watch you we watch Saturn live and then as we got older we had this foundation of things that we kind of got all the jokes that the other ones would make and I don't

know what that is now for 20 because you have like a million cigilian social media people and I guess

there's shows that cut through like euphoria or tell me lies everyone's wrong but for the most part it seems way more scattered and I don't know if it's good or bad yes I don't know if there's an answer to this but I rarely watch television anymore and I don't know why it wasn't a decision I made but okay today is the last day I'm watching TV I just don't watch it I you want to know the show that I do watch and and I get a little

edgy if I miss it or it's not preempted or something is it network or streaming it's on ESPN and it's pardon the interruption oh wow still I love it yeah this is my guys I don't know I I don't know I find something pleasant and welcoming and they're both a vuncular Tony Cornheiser looks like my new dog so I have that connection I don't know but

that's about who is the the kid that was the first writer at the Washington Post oh Thomas

Boswell yeah where where you you predated him or you came after him right I came after him yeah yeah yeah but I that book life haven't hit the world series yeah that was great just great yeah pti it's like it's just nice knowing it's there yeah you can pop in and out all sometimes I'll just watch the first you know first act of it which is like 10 minutes but just seeing those guys and them weighing in on the biggest stories I talked to Cornheiser a lot

and he's just he's been doing the same thing for 12 years about I got to get off nope he wants to see me anymore I'm too old but I feel like he's just gonna die on the airder in that show I talk to a friend of mine about what the appeal of that show is and he just abruptly said it's the clock that's it it's the clock that's not it is it it's those two

“guys it's it's this is how we feel about podcasts too it's the chemistry over the idea I think”

oh and with people on it yeah are there for the for the person every day not the guess not the uh you get a little grumpy because oh they're just about to say good night right the other thing is nobody else has been able to replicate it come up with their version of it and people have tried there's been all these different gimmicks and none of them have worked it's only been that but I really think it's so that was lucky enough to host that show a bunch of times

don't know or I would ever there's a guest host or somebody filling in for one of the two it's discouraging I mean I would perhaps that's too strong over the right I'm capable

“that's the right word yeah anyway that's what I like watching on TV did you ever think”

how like Carson used to have guests so solve the time you you never really doubled in that

that much oh no I was deadly scared that if I gave up the seat I'd lose the show right oh they you were worried somebody was gonna come in because the the list of people better more qualified funnier and better looking than me infinite and so no I wouldn't go on anywhere don't give up the damn chair oh I'll wait to talk about watching birds with my son but real brain time don't send anybody in here yeah because Carson would have

wet one point Chevy Chase was rumored to replace it oh yeah you were rumored to replace it and then it was Joan Rivers and then she got her on show and then Leno was the last one yep yeah and then you know that was it Johnny was a man among men for God's sake he'd be he knew just don't you yeah anything you want give it a try let's see how that works he was so good and now for a special part of the show called crunch time gifting it's brought you by Sephora where you'll find the best

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“bus it seemed wrong headed and and then I love Seth Myers yeah I think Jimmy Fallon”

is an outlier because I'm not sure if he knows what decade we're in but he just comes out and does a show he he can sing he can dance he can tell jokes he is rock solid right but he does it quite fit the mold of the other and then Stephen Colbert who had the show yanked out from under him yeah I don't I don't know how to answer that because it used to be those shows were so cheap easy to produce and long running I mean Carson was the proof of that and everybody tried to

mount one like that but it's like pti without Carson it was nearly impossible yeah if I don't know what a new show would look like anymore I felt this way in the 2010s especially when you're leaving wondering what era we're gonna move into and what you couldn't really tell at the time was what was gonna happen with podcasts and all these different reviews and the ability of people to respond immediately and late night shows taping stuff and being on six hours later

and then people under thirty five were they even watching like when when you had your NBC show Jimmy was the same way I either watched it live or I VHS you know recorded it and watched it in the morning yeah and I know I didn't I don't know it was like it seems primitive doesn't it all of that was fun I mean when you went to LA that was like that in WrestleMania I think we're in the same three months and it was who was it true highlight I was like I feel I feel seen

WrestleMania is now gonna be a giant pay per view Letterman's gonna be blessed by Carson like this is all happening yeah yeah but then again we're dumb if we don't acknowledge that everything changes true and you you knowing that you can't hang on to things I'm kind of getting a kick out of I will see a category name the category I don't care what it is of important current celebrities so I'll think all right let me see these people are number one nope yeah I'll just run the

list I did not heard of two dozen people yeah and and it's people that are making healthy

well I'm not saying that I'm just I'm just trying to the old man who has no idea what these people

“are doing yeah but I would say when you had your show talent was usually the great differentiator whether”

you were a great actor great musician great comedian whatever now well now you can skip all those steps let's see yeah I'm not sure if you if your position is that in the old days those people were talented well then it's the guy on the lawn telling the kids to go home that's true yeah I'm trying to think you did there there were no influence or type people in the 80s and 90s there were more

oddities it was more like whoa let's go out this first yeah we used to you know subscribe to

newspapers from all over the world all over the country small towns and we would find stories about there was a woman who collected potato chips that looked like famous people yeah there's a little local story about her you try to get her right there there was a guy who collected insects praying mana so you try to get him but but now they they just that is the the lifeblood of the internet you were really good especially in those first fears of the show of tapping into

normal people in a way that like you had the mail bag yeah it was tricks it was like oh these are normal human beings on the show this is correct but that was by that was a bit of a constraint put on us by the tonight show yeah we couldn't do duplicate celebrities we couldn't have a lengthy monologue we couldn't have a big orchestra and so we we a lot of people just put people on tv and the thing that was always satisfying to me is just regular people who aren't on tv you put

on tv they're just fine you know by and large they're just fine yeah it's it was interesting as the show when it started to take off you were always so self-deprecating about the show drawing about whether it would be on next week and then people would come on and be like the show's

amazing you're my favorite and you know you could always see you be like ah so I could only imagine

what it's like to do with people like me and Kimmel we watch you every day you grew up in the year you're the biggest reason up to it that's the idea this is what I hear now it will be a fellow or a woman in a certain age group and I think oh well because I keep forgetting how old I am here's here's the pair of mine we have the same influences in life my great grandfather used to watch you oh she's a lady oh okay here we go but it's very gratifying I had these two women

tell me the same story a year apart about the morning show now nobody watched the morning show

“and I'm not gonna claim I watched it yeah and and that's why I was afraid to give up the chair”

because that thing just came and went you know like a strong wind and the story that I heard from these two women I used to watch your morning show and that snaps your head around because the responses right you're the one right yes and it was right after a little Jimmy or first son was born and I would be up early in the morning and I would be feeding little Jimmy and watch your show I heard the identical story from another woman and I for some reason those elements it was

a very pleasant reminder of it's not really all about me yeah it's it's supposed to be something for others right and in these two cases it had been and I I thought that was very sweet so I mean that was your big quote unquote failure the morning show but it turned out to be the best than it ever happened to yeah and the worst year of my life right being out of work it was just horrifying how long we had a work because of full year before I went back at the 1230 when what were you

doing just standing up and pitching stuff not even I was doing you know looking sniffing around it what would be failed projects but mostly I was drinking and drinking to excess and it was a dark year are you in L.A. and you're an actor it was in L.A. and I described it as a dark year I know of people who actually have had dark years so forgive me I'm not pretending that being an out of work comic yeah it really rates as a dark year but for me you know my own

little self-centered world yeah things weren't going the way I wanted them to go yeah it's sometimes

“I feel this way about me with a couple things like failing turned out to be the best thing”

that could have happened but I didn't see it as it was happening right and you don't realize so after like you know what that was actually pretty good because that led me to this this this and this and yeah I was helping people ask me for advice I would say like just keep taking chances and

sometimes it's okay if it doesn't work out just move on to the next thing I never thought to say

in the beginning yeah I just had a plan I saw it was all there the blueprint was obvious and I

“followed the blueprint perfectly and it worked for me so I don't know what to tell me I wouldn't”

even know what you do I know people that I just think are people and then they say well yeah you can contact me on my socials and then they give you whatever address you need and they've

got like 2 billion followers that I do I don't how did that happen how does that happen you're

one of those guys right I yeah I don't have that many but it's you know I came in with some of the social media stuff right at the right time when you could build audiences now it's like the TikTok I don't I don't do TikTok at all I don't really understand it I mean I understand it I don't understand it for me like I'm in my mid 50s what I want you to tell me what was something yeah and going back to our discussion of ideas yeah I went to Finland and

watched hockey games I went to hockey games in Finland and was what kind of hockey games professional hockey in Finland yeah one in Helsinki and then another in a temporary I think that's the name of the town it was great by the way it was delightful yeah and then some of the kids on those team showed up for the finish Olympic team but watch the tie games so two tie games and then the shootout so here's now what I want you to help me with yeah the NFL and I know the like Chris Russo

hates the fact that there are guys kicking six-year-old field goals though and he thinks that that should be banned that should be limited get rid of it it's not football if a football game picked two teams yeah patriots and jets okay at the end of regulation the score is 7 7 what do we do okay we have another full overtime period okay yeah if at the end of the overtime period the score is still tied then what do we do well in the playoffs it just keeps going for no no we have

“a kickout oh that's what you want to you want to add a kickout yeah we start the kicker at the 50”

he makes it then the other kicker opposing team has to duplicate that if they both score go to the 55 guard line and if that works you go to the 60 and the first one that can't convert a kick from that then the game is over what's wrong with that it's pretty good now you've heard this before haven't you I can't be the first one to think of now I've heard variations of it some but but then other people would say why would a kicker determine a winner or loss like some people hate

that like I have people in my life who feel like we should just get rid of extra points of field goals completely just have touchdowns touchdowns and two-point conversions well I what's wrong with just a bit of variety in the goddamn game yeah you know I've heard the regressies now work the kid the kid the for Dallas the guy who kicks routinely 60 Brandon Aubrey yeah yeah well that's that's that's tremendous to see yeah what a great physical accomplishment that is nobody

it seems to understand like kicking has gotten so much better secretary still faster than horses we have now yeah pictures can throw four or five more miles an hour than they used to well the builder comes to mind right well but I'm saying like the radar gun was usually 96 97 98 now there's guys throwing like 104 yeah yeah and then the three-point shooting being so much better but yet like

the marathon I was talking about this buck and glad what we're always wondering when somebody would

go under two hours and it actually just happened in London they did one hour 59 something but it's like how is there a point where you can't just run faster in a marathon well you just hit a wall basically perhaps but going back to kicking let's just see how far a guy can kick can it can kick a hundred yards so you love field goal kicking this is well it revelates and the fact that it ought to be determined by moving the football on the ground if you can't determine the outcome

of the game in five quarters I move in the ball on the ground passing and running okay you're paying the price for that we're turning it over to the kicker and it's football for the love a crap you know why why do we resist that and here's the other thing and you can do

some about this because I know you know we're powerful man yeah the quarterback ought to punt

they used to have this right on you didn't used to thank you very Americans and yeah he's another

“one but you should be part and parcel of the gig you would you put it out we've we've just cost”

30 punter jobs no I don't want to get in trouble by saying clunders would be let go no keep the punters we'll have punters and they can do stuff they'll do other stuff they'll do other stuff what

completely in basketball or there should be a cap on how many you can make in a game okay here we go 15 and here we go the thing that I'm having trouble with is the three point line isn't consistently the same distance what do you mean down down toward the end of the court right and then it goes up yeah so you get a shorter three pointer down in the corners correct yeah then you do at the top of the

arc right so extend the court I don't know but you're never going to get rid of the three point can

you imagine just going back to watching guys do layups and soft jump shots we need the three pointer I wouldn't mind being like you can only make 20 in a game and that's once you get the 20 you just you it's removed here's what I want to do is you you tend foot is the basket the rim is 10 feet yeah the first quarter it's 10 feet second quarter it's 12 feet it just keeps it just cut with the fourth quarter what is that for the 16 feet let's just do that one of the theories

“is that everything I don't think you're taking that seriously because you quickly I think we”

changed this I think that what do you mean thing you may have to stop the game to the thing is an hydraulic deal and it just okay the fans here it come and maybe some lucky ticket holder gets it personally button it goes up to 12 feet what are the ideas that people do like is that every team can determine where the three point line is so you could build the team oh it's just like a baseball field in your hometown yes you could build the team and like you know

what we're going big guys we're going bigger and you make the three point line it's like basically 30 feet because you're not going to shoot them you know and you dare people to do them baseball

I have a lot of faith I've always been a I've always had this thing where I've called myself

the sports arc give me the job I would do all these things baseball pitch clock is the single most successful new idea I think anyone's come up with but they're slowing it down slow in the

“game down now what the automatic ball and strike count but you don't like that well I haven't”

haven't actually seen it but doesn't that then slow the game down but they just do this and it's like 10 seconds what it's done is just they do this on their home and then that solves everything well what's happened is they've completely underbied the confidence of the umpires because oh yeah yes the umpires are all terrible you know these guys got to you either their own they got to be raised with how they're like what the f yeah how did it how do we end up with this is the

umpire retired a couple of seasons ago who was known up and down throughout the league is being god all of them they pick one yeah yeah and they and they just well here he is again and there would be highlights of him blowing calls but in terms of baseball there isn't advantage if you're a left-feeler a left field hitter left handed hitter yeah you you get a jump you get a step down to first if you're right handed you got to cross the plate and get down to first true

“so it should be both have you got to cross the plate if you're a left handed better you”

you got you run the bases the other way now you got to run the third interest that if you're right hander you can run the first and then you're going to get really fun they meet on second what do you do then they cross past well you'll figure it out yeah all right we're all work on that one what would you change about golf what's to change you like off right you like watching I enjoy watching golf I I'm so pleased that that the live golf tournament seems to be having financial troubles

oh yeah because in what the point of the beginning yeah you and and he could wear shorts and we'll give you a billion dollars shorts yeah and now all of a sudden they're looking for other ways to finance it I didn't get a kick out of the the master's a rory metal rory or whoever that was that was tremendous you're in form well you how can you not trying to win two in a row that was pretty cool yeah I like him because I got this great meal bag email thank you for the

meal bag idea by the way it's still that from the moment I started writing a calm but I got a great meal bag idea somebody who was a Celtics fan and a warrior macro right fan who lived in Ireland it was basically saying it's the same experience rooting for both where it's like a lot of talent

but I always feel like they're gonna fall apart at any time Celtics you miss three's worry

like will self-combust and it's like did I this is just an accident or is this what I'm attracted to as a sports fan yeah but very similar yeah and then and then the masters and we all the patrons have you been you would love it they take your phone it's like going back to 19 20 yes like interact with people feels me perhaps this is the single feature that it feels to me about the masters is the Pemento cheese sandwich unbelievable because we used to I don't think they even

make that anymore they have to make it at the course but it's not legal to actually prepare that is it Pemento cheese it's that Pemento cheese sandwiches but then the hack is you also by the barbecue

how drunk do you have to be to do that at at least a couple drinks in yeah but they and then in the same which is like a dollar fifty nobody has phones people just walk around right if we you and I get split up I might not see you again for four hours there's just no way for me to know where you are and we're just gone and then you compare that to the waste management open and Phoenix well that yeah that's a good conclusion break isn't it yeah they just want

“everybody to be super drunk there yeah and that's okay was it Gulf so I think they kind of”

lean into it I'm interested to see what they do with the new commissioner because I think he wants to move more events to the west coast have it be prime time on the east coast stuff like that like to to try to speed it up I like when people come into leagues and want to change stuff yeah I don't I don't have a problem with that yeah but in in Gulf you know the big tracer market that you'll hit a T shot and then they show you that you like that where they show you

where why yeah and how high and how fast if they can generate that to what happens in real life not just on TV oh boy you'd you'd have to beat people away with a stick they'd be you right they'd be with the people but that would be a really good oh man what a visual it'd be like fireworks did you get in that fun or you just your old school you know I used to love a formula one back in the era of the airton senate and Nigel mantle oh yeah and those guys

“and went to a lot of formula one races and just just really loved it and and I think in those days”

for me to really love it it was because of like we're talking it's the personalities more than the content yeah and I just something about airton senate and Nigel mantle and they were enemies on on the track and the personalities and the characteristics and I don't know I did love it and now it's indie car part of an indie car team and it's I enjoy that I love that

did you ever think about buying a minority stake in a sports franchise no never no no

spylo piece little taste I think for a while I was part owner I had some stock in the Seattle Mariners really yeah yeah when was that Jesus it would have been in the 80s mid mid to late 80s wow Jeff Smullen for a time being the guy who owned an MS radio yeah sports radio and beyond I think had purchased the Seattle Mariners and I was a stockholder or board of directors or something you did like I think over 6,000 shows an MSC at CBS we're athletes ever really good

guess or were they said or was you were the one that had to do other work can you remember guys coming in and actually being other than like Charles Barkley man that's something to reflect on

I think I think they were pretty good because I always knew exactly what I was going to talk

about right because this was the ending the sports illustrated was a thing yeah and it helped me live my early life getting the weekly sports illustrated magazine so I had that kind of interest built up from looking at the voluminous detail and data and personality so I would attribute I would use that to talk to sports figures so they were always pretty good because I remember Michael Jordan the first time he came back he was great you could tell he had it you know he yeah

you could tell he had it but he he had a disliking for me oh really yeah he was on once and he was on to promote his the new yeah Jordan I just saw that movie not so long ago air I don't know it's from mendus yeah I really liked it that he could so good yeah very good

yeah so yeah but we couldn't get him back he would never come back really

yep and I finally called him because I kept imagining and for it perhaps not imagining perhaps really that I had offended the guy and I didn't certainly didn't want that to have happened and I called him and I flat out asked him I said we really would like you to come back is there a problem and he said no I'm not a problem but he never came back interesting yeah I real disappointment because you had in the 80s that your show was how I found out about

“a bunch of people like sign-filled I he came on your show that's how I knew who he was you know and”

that was why when he got the NBC show I was like oh no this is gonna be good he used to kill it on days yeah that's right it was a bunch of those from that era I get very little credit for the success of sign-up you should get real in a percent I was right there you were right there I was like what's his name Kramer I could have been the good have been a Kramer I saw him do stand up twice in the 80s I made my parents take me just because of the letterman appearances really really

ones I was Leno was the best one I mean that you that was like every three four weeks but

“he would come in and just kill it I was so good yeah and you were so delighted you guys were just”

great together so he was one sign-filled I was not Michael Keaton was great I love Michael Keaton he would come on and just and crush but see those those guys now Jerry was a class or two behind me but me and Leno and Michael Keaton we were all there in the same room at the same time so

I always got a big kick out of we each knew something about one another this is that we weren't

gonna share it was great yeah George Mellard to a bunch of my good friend George Mellard oh my god what a fascinating interesting fellow just tremendous yes so it went all the way through to when you were still doing the show and then it seemed like norm became your favorite norm became your new favorite connection George Miller was a connection to norm yeah but I found out norm like George Miller then I fell in love with norm you we've never norm is one of those guys

I think social media has weirdly really helped him because he was always really funny I hated a good career but now like the snippets of him oh yeah nobody like him he's growing and esteem now that's right you can't you can't get enough for love you can't he was like an all-time one-on-one yeah and everything he does is still as funny as it was yeah and a guy who kind of reveled in dead silence after a joke just like that wasn't his problem right he loved that's your problem right he loved

the audience was a couple yeah yeah I feel this way when I read stuff I wrote and I don't remember when I wrote that I wrote it like I'll see some I mean like I think I wrote about this and I'll

“find some column and like 2004 and I'm like I honestly don't even remember writing this I'm reading”

it like I'm the reader like I didn't write it do you feel that way when you look back at six thousand shows wait I don't remember I don't remember I don't remember how I got here but I want to tell you one the George Miller story which I absolutely yeah he had a girl friend

and they were together for years and it was always George and her girlfriend his girlfriend

her name was MJ that's right MJ initials for other names yeah but they were close and then she decided she had had enough of George and so she said George that's it you're done so George because he was George broke into her house when she was she started dating an architect and this drove George nuts right because he wasn't an architect he wasn't you know he was in the sweatshirt and the pants and his tennis shoes and he was telling jokes so he breaks into the

house and she realizes that it's been broken into by George so she calls the police the police go to George's house and they say you know and George has planned them nope no that wasn't me but what happened over there well nothing was stolen but the thing was damaged and poked around and and there was a picture she had of Jesus Christ that had an obscenity written across the face of Jesus Christ and George says Jesus Christ I thought that was Dan Fogelberg

and I just I mean how can you isn't that though and here's how delightful that is and his memorial his girlfriend told that story wow I mean that that's other other worldly I thought it was Dan Fogelberg so who who it was he in your top five people who hit your funny bone the hardest he he became a good friend he was in that the same class with me and and Leno and the Michael Keaton and Robin Williams came in a little bit later but still on that

class yeah he counts and yeah he was just such a strange character he never met anybody quite

“like him this coffin count matter as he a little earlier coffin was so no I think he'd gotten”

ahead started was was way ahead of us at the time but he was you didn't buddy up with Andy right you you you you know still decide what you see he was on the show and you'd be like okay yeah well he was great for the show yeah because it was just you did you knew but you didn't know the dimensions of what you knew you know you had the idea but it could you know what you're going to be this big you know it was going to be that big and and you just set back there

and we're entertained by so who hit your funny bone the hardest that of anybody well Jay made me laugh really really hard because he would come in and he'd come at you it was like he was like the road team and he would try to turn it on you yeah but he he was when we were working at the comedy store he was the funniest in the in the group you know he would go on you couldn't

I used to love Leno and then when all the stuff happened with you and he got the tonight show I really felt betrayed it was like I was learning like the lessons of like business friendships

or sexual friendships because my attitude was like I would just never do that like Letterman was

my friend he he used the whole reason I have a career I would never want to like go ahead to head but then you get older new learning life a lot of people are going to do what's best for them when they have the chance sure I you know I wish I could say he was a dangerous criminal he's not right and that's that's what happened and that's what happened did you ever see the movie

“no I think I asked you this you must say I can't imagine anything you would hate more than the”

late ship movie and somebody I couldn't I couldn't watch my own show I'm not about to watch a movie about my own show that would be a fun if you ever got it as social media the social media should just be you on camera watching the late shift yeah I think that I maybe I mentioned this to you but they at some point a friend of mine who worked with us on the show named Stewart Smiley Stewart Smiley as I thought it was two Smiley yeah had given me some kind of

trampoline thing where you would pitch a ball into and it would return back yeah and they they depicted me at my home on the weekend throwing I don't know something it toward this thing and it bouncing back and it was complete fabrication I don't I don't think I have it right I don't think I was ever even used to this yeah I know this senior talking about it's actually a

really good movie but like always with these things it's based on a true story and once you say

based on a true story you could basically do anything you could just have you you know hitting three woods in your backyard but that would have been preferable this was this was something a dope would be doing right here here I am depicted as a man in his 40s bouncing the I don't know what it was but it was humiliating I tell you what uh what has drawn you to this Netflix show and what makes you want to keep doing it what you're

everything about nothing but fun because the schedule is just about right going back to retirement it's enough work to keep you juiced and if you don't have that then you get sad right so it's it's uh we've done enough of those to be and then here lately we've been a string of stuff that's been pretty fun and you get to get to travel you get to see people and you get to run into people to tell you about when their grandfather used to watch in the hospital when he was dying

and Brett they were all there around him and they were watching the top 10 was last wish was to watch the top 10 was for you dad so yeah the people at Netflix and I would I would love to just

“go nuts and tell you how awful I think they are because that's that's that I have that gene”

yeah just picking a place where I worked and I hate them but I can't do that with Netflix they we started I don't know years ago four years ago I don't know when we started they've been nice they've been friendly they're pleasant they invited me to their barbecue on Thursday right yeah so it's been a great experience and like I said the schedule has been enough to

satisfy me being out of work I feel like I learned that from you the always turning it on your

boss the person is in point when it's so easy it's so easy well I didn't have getting suspended and I was very critical of Roger Gaddell and knowing that he was their biggest partner and you know in retrospect probably pushed a little too far oh that was that's not right because they're they're the punching bag in the gym and you don't take the punching bag out of the gym

“that's why they're there there's nothing you can do to personally affect the bottom line or the”

stock right well and then they realize like by the way there's nothing you can do to affect the bottom you're gonna leave now and we'll be exactly the same which is what you learned I'm telling you this is exactly what's wrong with this country is it really I don't know maybe well the thing when I started rated my column and they had all these media criticism rules so I had to figure out all these different ways to like make fun of announcers and crisp

burn man and and you know do these random bad things and I actually kind of was fun creatively like how do I get to the message across without hitting somebody up that with a hammer you know which I think how it's turned was probably like that a little bit too when he was on the radio versus being on satellite you know satellite you can just say anything but it is isn't you mentioned uh the NFL has has a large share of ESPN is that correct now is well the ESPN they're most

in the NFL and at the time there's a lot of things to be critical about but I understand recently

“that there was a great part of stake yet so is that okay that the the single biggest topic”

of the sports broadcasting owns that outlet it seems a little dubious yeah it's it's they honored they want a piece they run the NFL network I mean they would say and I would agree with them that they're still doing investigative journalism they'll still write about the we they try to be objective but you always have that air of like hey is this objective so you just got to prove that it's objective yeah and what is the line before you get the phone call

you know right that was my issue when that when I had all this stuff with Gideon 2014 because it was all about that Ray Ray story that had happened and I you know and we did good ESPN did good reporting on it and I was expanding and they're reporting I felt like he changed this story and probably went too far you probably I'm trying to think when you went too far probably probably late 80s you started pushing it with NBC a little too much the only real trouble

I got in was making a joke about Sarah Palin the CBS yeah and then what what what's his name from CBS less moon was yeah he said he called me he was in town for the up front through some on sense I don't yeah I'd like to come over and have a chat with you Dave and I said oh terrible yeah

so he comes over and I always try to make them uncomfortable somehow so I would sit where you're

sitting and then they would have to sit behind my desk so I knew that that was a bit of a head fuck you know like why am I sitting behind his desk and he looks at me and it was like being back in in high school he said what is your problem with me so I love that moment why did he think you had a problem because I was working over on on the air and then of course because I'm just a I guess a class but that was your show for 30 years I know I know I'm a fan of her but I

full I folded right up and I said oh geez nothing it's all fine we're just having fun here we're just a bunch of kids and it was like that whereas I I could have just gone after him but I didn't well if people didn't play along with the joke with you it would make me the viewer not

“like them yeah because I remember you did the both you did the bullhorn thing the prank on both”

and he was doing the today show and he didn't react great to it I was like that guy's a fucking asshole like why doesn't he get that this is a show yes man Brian Gimmel was a thousand percent right to be told to be upset yeah because they're doing a prime time live today show and I'm leaning out the window with a bullhorn and then conversely like on the opposite side like when Vince was on your anniversary Vince McMahon was on the anniversary show kind of having fun it was like oh Vince

McMahon didn't realize he had a sense of humor like it you know it could it could definitely

sway how you felt about people cost this was another one yeah cost this was always great I mean

he was on the payroll in the beginning he would do anything and he was great because he had the right sensibility and sure all play along and it's not not gonna lean on my integrity as a sports broadcaster he was great yeah kimono I've talked about that you felt like especially for us like growing up like idolizing the show everybody who played along or or could fit in we just like them we were like okay they're in the club let's bring them in it was like the cello house well

you're uh explaining power I didn't realize I had you you had it you know deep you know you have it you just pretend no no I I know because in in those days I don't know how you feel about this what you're doing right here I didn't realize was not aware I didn't have time to consider that what we were doing in that studio was anything beyond the 300 people in the audience if you think you're doing it every day you do it every day and if it's like running a restaurant

of people are sent in the soup back you realize oh we got bad soup right and I think for a while

“we were the only TV show that served soup well I remember I think you were on the cover”

Rolling Stone at some point in that felt validating because it still mattered to be in the cover SI and Rolling Stone if you made the cover like something was happening so that was that you probably knew at that point I I only knew of the Rolling Stone importance because of the song yeah on the cover of the Rolling Stone and I realized then oh shit maybe this something I would like to be on and so I finally ended up on the cover of the Rolling Stone and and that was cool

I loved everything about it but the photo shoot you know it was always something wacky can we do something wacky yeah and that always made my skin grow they talk chemo come on had an ass crack shot they did it for an hour and then he did like a fake plumber thing and of course

something dumb and then that's the one they just you can't trust those people so what's what's next for you more Netflix shows well no when I leave here I'm gonna have lunch with a friend at a

“deli that's what's next would about rest of the year next any any like chance we see you”

court side for like a next playoffs game or anything you're never gonna say something it's like we're

connected psychically here Saturday I will be an Indianapolis at the Harold Square arena whatever they're calling it though oh for the Caitlin Cark yeah season opener for the wow fever Tommy must have helped you Dallas Dallas wings I think I did this on my own did I do it on my honor you didn't you didn't you didn't need Tommy I think married did this did you do it oh he did it I'm sure oh you did it you know Tommy's like the string polar of the favorite I just don't

know about Tommy I'm still thinking about oh well I don't I don't know he's a member of the gym see the Woody Allen moving movie zeleg yeah that's Tommy it was I'm being told now yeah it was a brandtetic connection and anyway I'll be there it's being in a court side not court side they tell me they can't put me a court side which is fine uh what a change I'll be right you don't watch this any a court this is breaking news for you will wow a court side

of a court side this is great I just say a few things about Caitlin Clark I got to know her a bit yeah the same way you can tell people that you know me yeah and nothing beyond that please just say a bit if they ask I know David bit and I just fell in love with her because as a person it's that would be like the daughter who comes home for Thanksgiving dinner from college and you just the house would light up when she pulled in the drive and it was home for two

or three days yeah that feeling about the kid and so we did this show whether on Netflix and about a month after where I thought let me let me call Caitlin because I feel like I put in my time right I can get a call and then it was all of a sudden we can well what do you want to talk about well I just want to see if she was happy with the show yeah okay well

let me see what we can do I don't know that was two years ago never wow never got to call or

it's a lot of what is that people I don't know me is it just don't do whatever you do don't let us all call now that I don't think it was she probably didn't even know you call it would be my guess you mistake was not going through Tommy oh we didn't didn't we go through you now say Tommy never happens well how did we go through that how often let's try and get her on the phone now how often do you go back to Indianapolis well I go back every year for racing activities

and then I go back to visit my family here and there which is the family is getting smaller and smaller you know death yeah yeah so and I like going back in Indianapolis it's turned into a tremendous

“place it's a great place to live you got to overlook a few things you have to overlook a few”

things yeah you have to overlook some things a couple things but it's still a great place I went back for the finals for two of the home games for Pacers okay see oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's I mean it's perfect for yeah it's a perfect like coming in now for four days what didn't we know that that was not going to last I mean Terry's Hall of Burton and then all of a sudden the

yeah but here's the thing so we're taping this before the lottery on Sunday and they have a really

good chance to get a top four pick and the drafts awesome tie Reese's coming back the traded first center so I think there could be really good next year well that'll be delightful I go back to the ABA days and it was just I loved it oh that's right you were there for the only older pacer yeah it was Delight who else was on that team of a fairly color Freddy Lewis Billy color Mel Daniels Roger Brown Mel Daniels was a Rick Mount play they won the title they won I think they won

three ABA type yeah yeah and it was delightful it was in the old Indiana of Fairgrounds Colosseum and we would tickets for 75 cents and you go and it would be like like an old black and white

“movie about fighting the you could just see the haze settling over the ring right and the only way”

you knew there was because of the colored ball you could you know they oh I see them they're down there playing basketball it's so funny like that there's like barely any footage of any in the games it was just this alternately happening but there's a tremendous documentary that I just watched it was on Amazon yeah yeah yeah yeah pretty good pretty good stuff yeah I hope hopefully

row is shallow man Larry David you could be right there with those guys you would for the people

yeah I'm afraid that I would probably get beaten I don't know why I just have that fear wherever I go when you but I mean when you're New York you're like New York royalty though aren't you really I think so

“I mean you did a show there for 33 years and that's what it takes to become royalty yeah I would say”

well people have been very very nice to me and and and Cole Bear will go through this yeah it is now

oh we miss you and you you get to the point where I know if you really miss me I'd still have a show

I understand see what I'm saying like that all right this is a true pleasure I don't tell me where it's finished why I'm just gonna tell you how long it has been running it's like yeah this is oh yeah I'll be at the Delhi you gotta go the Delhi the head of your

“Rubin yeah comedy you're Rubin well this has been a great pleasure and I feel like I would”

like to come back and do a better job I thought you were great and great time I'll tell you what

have a last night I feel like I was dragged out of a bar on beaten because it was it was a John Mulaney yeah and it was a big big big deal yeah and so of course I didn't sleep and now today you're you're getting me at like 60% getting groggy letterman you know I thought you did great thanks for what are you gonna say for God say producers not here I had a full

“time I wish in my in retrospect I would have invited the producer well now you're gonna look”

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rewatchables on Monday so here's the schedule for this weekend Sunday night there's two games New York Filly the lottery and then San Antonio Minnesota which should end around 10 o'clock ET I'm coming on live on Netflix with a couple guests and we're gonna break that in the lottery and all the basketball for the weekend so enjoy the weekend I will see you on Sunday night must be 21+ and president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas star casino or 18+ and president DC

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