Giannis to Miami! An Urgent Gathering Pod With Chris Ryan and Justin Verrier

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“I don't know if it's Drunk House or relatively on sober house. What version of House are you right now?”

"I'm legally allowed to drive, but I don't know if I'm legally allowed to comment on a Yonna street." "Yeah, that we've been waiting forever. All right, so Yonna's going to Miami. It was Boston versus Miami for days and days and days. I thought it was going to happen today. Then everyone was like, "It's not happening and then after I took my contacts out, gave my dog a bath, just brought my dog out of the bathtub, and then all of a sudden Yonna's frustrated. Very, very surprised. It's Miami."

"No, it seemed like obviously it was going to be Boston or Miami, and I always thought Miami's package

just made a little bit more sense, and what the Celtics were offering. I just never got just getting Jalen Brown back for a Milwaukee team that had just struggled for multiple years at this point, dealing with one superstar without the supporting cast in order to make really anything of it. And so just getting a bunch of stuff, at least to me, like I'm not sure what that stuff really amounts to,

“it's more of an opportunity than a sure thing in there, but I would rather that, and I think that's ultimately where the box decided to.”

"All right, so they see our, they got hero, where Hacca's, they got Hacca's shunness. Let's say Sam, right?" "Yeah, like him." "Hacca's shunness. Yacca's shunness. They got the 13th pick in this draft, they got 31 and 33 unprotected and a 30 swap.

So they basically gave up everything they had except BAM out of bio. What do you think, C-R? Because I don't know what's left.

I'll tell you what's left for Miami now. Now, they could patch this together if this was the good old days. But basically, Yada's BAM, Wiggins, Davian Mitchell, Bobby Portis, they got in the trade as well, and then Norm Powell if they can resign him as a free agent. And then minimum free agents, and that's 13. You know, the first thing that jumped into my mind when this trade was was the geek story/quote about, if somebody's going to trade for me, I'm worried about how much they're going to have to trade to get me, and what I'm going to be walking into when I walk into that locker room.

“Is Yada's on a better team now than he was yesterday?”

I don't think so. I would say BAM's a better teammate, maybe the front office is a little more renovated, but I don't think this team's a title "contender" to you, there? No, but they're definitely in the mix, and I do like how they contrast some of the other teams that have ascended in the east here. Like the next Rob is probably going to go into next season as the presumptive favorites, and you look at them, and they're more of an offensive driven team. I know they did a lot of work in the finals in order to win that, but like you think about Bruns and you think about the blender with them.

And at the very least, the Miami Heat have an identity from day one, which is they're going to be like pretty physical and pretty defensive minded. I think BAM, Janis, Andrew Wiggins is like the core and Evian Mitchell is really the core of the type of like grounded out defensive team that I think fits Miami's identity for like years on end at this point. But also maybe something that would be a contrast to a lot of these teams that are counting on like high octane offenses. Well, and this also goes to like for any shootings here.

postseason, but I was going to say this is going to test to of Miami's kind of like big myth myths of self belief that they have, which is a we're an attractive destination for top tier talent to come and be trust our development. So much that we can turn coal into diamonds wherever we look and they're really going to have to dig now because they need to find four more guys like this is not this might be a playoff team in the east, but this is not a title team.

“Yeah, this is not 2011. All right. So I have a two-part take one. I think Miami had to do this.”

They gave up both an incredible amount, but also an amount that if I'm a mock if fan, I'm like, wait, what do we get?

Like, what do you tell your nine-year-old bucks fans son? Hey, we traded the youngest. What do we get? Well, we got all the other guys on a 43-minute team that aren't bam and we got some picks. It's really starting four years from now and we got the 13th pick in a eight or nine-poor draft and then after that keep the fingers crossed. With that said, they did get a lot of stuff and I think one of the keys and the thing we kept here in the last day and a half was that Milwaukee was really split on the offers that there was the front office really wanted this Miami offer.

And the owners were split on should we just get J. Lam Brown. Like, we can he's one of the 12 best guys in the league. We could either keep them or we could flip them like he's just he's a dollar or we're just getting all of these quarters and dimes for Miami.

And I think ultimately this proves yet again that front offices love nothing more than the trades that can keep themselves in power for a few years.

Yeah, this is the perfect trade if you're John Horst and his team and you already got rid of DAC Rivers. You don't really know where you are this. You honest, the thing has been paralyzing you for over a year. And I can be like, hey, we're rebuilding. We have picks. We have stuff. We have pieces. I don't know what this is, but I know I'm not going to get fired anytime soon because this is a mess.

“Whereas if you get J. Lam and I think there's slightly different expectations. So do you think that's a fair assessment on that barrier?”

I do. I just think the die was cast when they fuck this last all season where like not only did you just like not figure anything out last year and just basically punt this down the road. But you put yourself in debt with the Dame waving stretch in a way that just was going to make Putting anything else around you honest, there were no last outs for this team in order to go through. And so I don't know if like what they have now is all that great, but I guess considering where they are because of that, I don't mind it.

I just don't see like because they were so in debt with the picks is in addition to the Dame waving stretch. Like what they were going to do with just like one player like with J. Lam Brown or anything like that is just like you were just going to be in the same sort of situation. So at the very least, you don't think they would have flipped them. I always felt like they were acquiring him to then repackage him was by where it's like, yeah, and this was basically like I'm going here here. So to place yourself in the Senate and that's it.

“Yeah, if they moved them to the Portland or like a Clippers, then it would have made more sense, but would you rather your own picks back versus Miami?”

I don't know considering the flattened lottery odds. I might even lean more toward like the Miami's picks plus just guys that I know at the very least have some like concrete values. See our tell us if you had a bucks fan in your life, what are you telling them today? That Clio where it might turn into something that you're probably actually not going to be appreciably worse than you were last season that Tyler here I was coming home and you can start cutting together the montage now. That hot case is a nice player and you needed to you needed to

Uh, you needed to empty tape. This was no more cutting, no more, no more little procedures. This was basically sinking the franchise. I think the the sort of long national

Visual that we have held watching where this guy is going to go and is he going to sign a contract was probably sucking the life out of this team. You got a new coach who's good at coaching up players. Yeah, start from zero. Let's see what happens. And you have the 10th and 13th picks and I just want to say I so two things one is that we're five minutes in. I'm not going to let you not talk about Boston much longer. So just get ready and two 10 and 13. I wonder whether or not they're going to do something with them and try to get a move up. Well, so you had you had been talking about this a lot of people have been talking about this on Sunday night.

You were talking about this wasack about the people at the teams at five were the point guards are going to start to go. Don't need point guards. Yeah. And could you know, could one of these guys help the clippers could there be some sort of deal. I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. But I think that that's there feels like maybe there's another step coming because if I'm the bucks, I want to get younger. I want to start. I want to start the clock at zero.

But from the Miami side of this, they're just in purgatory, right? They're miles behind the nicks and the Celtics as well and the calves maybe even the raptors and or lately you go on down the line. They've finished testing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they kind of had to take the Hail Mary. There was also, you know, there's a lot of swagger in that part of the country about where Miami we've done this I've always joked about the zombie heat.

I think pulling off LeBron and in Bosch in 2010 pulling off Shack in 2004 the incredible one was Jimmy Butler in 2019 when they somehow convince Portland to take a son white side.

But it started to feel like they're their luster was slipping a little JV Pat Riley's 80, right. It's like, do they still have the magic now that could be like, hey, we got you on us. He was number three MVP two years ago and is one of the 25 best part of all time. And please don't look at his playoff game log for the last five years. I mean, I just think that the league is better when Miami is a villain in everything like practically since the late 2000s they've been a primary character in the NBA's story.

And I just think like having Pat Riley being out there like putting the rings on the table and giving like any given Sunday style speeches that is press conference is just good for the league. It's also good to see Jan is back in a competitive environment because what has it been like two years three years since he's practically been in the wilderness.

“If you want to loop in the years with Dame, which we're just sort of mixed and muddled everyone was injured and like it just wasn't good for a player where Bill, I don't know where you have him on your pyramid.”

But he has to be like one of the most prominent players in the league historically that is still active right now.

Yeah, see those two things come together. I don't know what they'll be next year, but the very least they're going to matter and I think that matters for just like fans in order to plug into this. Yeah, I was he's going to be motivated. He really has some played basketball year. I think he has one maybe two really, really, really years left. I did a bunch of stuff on my podcast. I don't know, two three months ago about all of the historical signs that are against Janis, like just even averaging a 2010 after your four things season the league is just about as rare as it gets.

Being being really good from age 32 on not really really realistic, but if you're Miami with the house where you're going to see are like this is you had no other options and you just basically traded the all-time poop poo platter. And all these picks, Pat Riley is going to be 84 when the 2013 swap is is coming into play. Do you think he cares? He's still be living in his house. Now that this is finally over, I would love to get multiple now they tell us no book dumps out of this trade because I want to know who's driving this trade for Miami is it Riley looking for one last shot at glory.

Is it spoke being like, hey, to keep me engaged, we need to take a step up here. Is it one of the airsons? What was the book side of this was this has one driving this 100%.

This is has him because he came up with the like if he doesn't sign an extension, it's over now idea instead of seeing him with Taylor as the new coach. And I want to know, I want to know what's going on, what happened next for Boston. I thought you were going to do a one last job thing with Miami. Is this a directed by Michael Bad? One last shot. We've got to be honest. This can be go fast boats, yeah. Yeah, we've been talking to JR Smith. He might make him come back. We can do this because he's back from Scotland, yeah.

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It's very good. Hold your money. With this player. From a Boston standpoint, this whole thing's been confused. And they made an offer two weeks ago that I don't think they changed.

“And I think it was Jalen Brown in a couple of picks. And that was it.”

And I think Milwaukee, I think, said, all right, when we get close to the draft, we're going to come back and we're going to really try to figure this out.

I think they wanted a whole bunch of stuff other than Jalen and two first round picks. Jalen was second-team on B.A. last year. Jalen's younger than Janice. Jalen's more durable than Janice.

“And I think Boston was like, that's kind of our trade guys.”

There's not, we don't really need to do this. Now, the risk for the Celtics is that this came out and Jalen was in trade rumors. And that's, that's just what's going to happen with us. You're not going to be able if there's too many people involved on both sides for, if an offer is floated out there.

No matter if it was like, here's our actual offer. Here's the vicinity of the offer we're thinking. You're still discussing your second best player or your first best player, depending on how people feel about the Celtics. So my take and I said to some pods over and over again,

I didn't think this was the trade for Boston. I didn't like it. I didn't, I thought it was too risky. And I thought there were better Jalen trades. Like if, to me, the pivot would be look at in New Orleans.

If they're going to trade Jalen and trying to get Murphy and herb Jones, what, or Murphy, Jordan pulls expiring and picks from the pelicans. Whatever version of that or the hawks are, I just very, I just feel like there's better trades than this for Janice. I don't know how Janice and Tatum would have played together.

And you're talking about Janice has health risks. Tatum's coming off and touring Achilles. Like I just, I don't think this trade was a slam dunk for them. And I've said this all the time. I know the playoffs ended poorly.

And I don't want to bring that back up between you guys. So we could just move along here. But I don't, we're fiber that, okay, that's good. It's good to hear. I just don't remember coming out of that series

and thinking that this was such a desperate situation in the way that Brad Stevens kind of projected it was and his postseason press conferences. Where he brings up this that where it's like all three, 11 against the top three seeds.

I'm like, okay, you also didn't have one of the best players in the league for like three quarters of the season.

And you never really hit a stride where you would say like

everything is cooking Derek White was awful all year from three point land got worse in the playoffs. Like he didn't have a good year whatsoever. A lot of these guys that they're counting on are young. And so I look back at this.

I'm just like, where is the incentive to just go do and hit the button with you on us now? I have to assume that Jim Brown is just such a tax on everyone's emotional bandwidth just because of who he is and also how tough it is to build the right team around these two.

It really took getting Drew and Derek and Chris. These like awesome role players in order to make it work in the first place. But from a big picture POV, if you're going to do anything, I would say take a step back.

Like trade Jalen for young guys like you're talking about. Like trade Murphy has a lot still left in him. Herb Jones does and maybe picks from the pelicans and just like bring Tadem back along slowly. So you could be like really, really good in two years.

I never really understood the honest thing.

Yeah, I for one am never going to forgive Milwaukee for rolling this grenade into the Celtics locker room. My brother's an arm and arm. They waited for JT to come back from his Achilles and record time. And now Jimmy has let him destroy that with one Phil swoop.

I don't know Bill. I could never really really totally tell whether this was Jalen Brown. Like you've kind of set a couple of times saying, "I like the taste of having my own team. Let's find that for me."

Or was this, was this Brad Stevens coming out and being like, "Hey, guess what? Basketball is different." Then it was 18 months ago and we can't just shoot trees all day and we need to have a different speed. And we need to have like a completely different look.

“And maybe that's what was driving on the Janis searching.”

I was curious, Bill, this Randall trade that happened concurrently with Janis and I don't know how related you feel like these things are.

But now Minnesota opens up like this $33 million trade exception.

And our obviously looking to stay competitive with the Western Conference powers. Is that a sneaky Jalen destination possibly? Is there more stuff to come here? I think we have to say Derek White, which I don't think would happen. No, I think they were delighted to get off a Randall

and they got a big trade exception for it and they got the ability to sign Iowa which they already did. So to me it was just a sour thing. That was the rare trade that I kind of didn't like for all three teams. Like yeah, I just don't like the clacks that that much.

The bulls had max cap space and it's they used 20 plus million of it on Nick Clackston. And for Brooklyn, like okay, Julius Randall may be preventing you from being one of the three worst teams and now you're locking in three lottery balls instead of two. Congratulations. I don't know if they were going to just going to get everybody who didn't get a ring

with the next the last five years and just slowly get all those guys to put them in Brooklyn. Everybody the mom don't shout it out at the parade. He didn't get him back. I don't know who else was on the Jeremy Lynn.

“Maybe get him out of retirement. Who else could they get?”

I have to imagine that they were the trade young suitor that forced the wizards into giving him

And so like if you had trade young and Julius Randall where they just trying to build like the biggest villain possible for the next.

Because then you're like they never going to get anyone in that building whatsoever.

Right. I'll be honest. I know this is like my cross the bear here, but I don't hate the neglects to move for the bulls. If you're if you're just building like a fun young team that's like going to get out and run. Like I actually think that Claxon is like pretty good for that system.

He might weigh 150 pounds so he might. Yeah. And like he's been like two years away for like seven years at this point. But I actually think he fits at the very least what they have and like is young enough to build with the young team.

“So when you said that was the factor for the trading extension, I think the other possibility is”

mushrooms. Like if you would tell me they he he opted out and they gave him a two year deal at max. I would have been like, I don't know. That's pretty risky. And instead they basically did four.

I thought that was dumb founding. I don't know who they're competing against. I thought that was really weird. So with the Celtics. I just think they felt like Jalen was a good enough offer.

And that's it. We're not throwing them more stuff. We don't care that my name is desperate. We're not. And you know, whether it was Hugo, whether it was shy or men, whether it was more than the

27th pick and an extra pick. I don't know what the ultimate final offer was. But or we have to take Newsman back. I don't think they want to do any of that stuff. I think they like their team.

And the Jalen PCR. You know, it's nothing major. I can't there's no smoking gun with this. I can't really point to one specific thing.

“But I think it's just a bunch of small things that seem like they've added up.”

You know, doing the Twitch every day. Starting starting shit with Steven A Smith. Talk about how last year was the best year of his career. Some of that Jalen Jason, whose team is this stuff. Maybe they wanted to, maybe this was the easiest way to avoid it.

It's the. See, I honestly the reason I haven't let you host the rewatchables for six months. Because I don't want to come back. And then you're just kind of side eyeing me the whole time and being like, I don't know. Yeah.

I ran this thing. My favorite parts I've ever done is when I did bleed runner without building. I said, I don't know. Do you guys hear that bleed runner? But I personally do not think they would have entertained this at the end of the season.

I think something definitely shifted as we went along. And, you know, I just think I. I. Not convinced he's going to be in the team in October. There.

I would say it's 50 50. I mean, especially considering that they've been down this row with him. What, like, 17 times where they've almost traded him. Like, I was talking to someone earlier today.

“Like, remember the time where they almost traded him for Anthony Davis on the pelicans?”

Like, we're talking about trauma. Now, where it's like the Kyrie, no rural thing like that was like 10 years ago.

And he was always so hardheaded that I think he was the type of person you didn't want again

to this situation. But now it's just compounded time and time and again. And after he has this great year you're doing it again. It seems pretty insolvable at this point. I think the good thing.

I think you're right about like standing with the offer that they gave the box. Where it's just like take jailing and like some picks and that's it. Because jailing is still really good. The problem is he's probably best suited for a really good team, but not like a championship contending team.

He's probably best suited for where he is now. It's a one be on a really good team. But there's just so many of these other teams like that. The blazers for instance, my hometown team here, like he would fit really well there. And the clippers, the hawks.

And so I think they could do this for good ones. They could still get a lot for him. But I do wonder if the Celtics, I'm curious what you think about this, would be willing to take a step back after being so pronounced about taking a step forward here. And actually prioritize picks or just young players so you can re-tool rather than just like push the button.

Let's win tomorrow. Yeah, Tatum's I think could be 28 next year. Chism just bought the team. So new owner not really being like, hey, let's take our time. Like he wants to be good.

He wants they they lost in seven games to a fillet team that immediately the tires came flying off the car. The moment they were celebrating. The financial doping of James Dolan and the friends in Mafia.

CRF, they had just benched and beat in that first game.

You could have come back. Sure. That was a two. Yeah, that day. So just rest.

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So from a Celtic standpoint, there's lots of ways this could go. There's also the way it could go where they just bring them back.

They have a 27 million trade exception.

They have a bunch of their picks. They have some moves to make. But it's a bizarre situation. I will say with the Boston fans of my life, and even Boston fans online.

Wherever you want to look, we're Celtic fans. I don't think anybody was like, "I'm going to get you on as holy shit he's a bill." But I think they were real concerns.

“And I think there's real love for the jays in the last 10 years.”

Like Jalen, they drafted him 10 years ago. I think tomorrow, they want to title it with the guy. He's been in six conference finals. I was looking at one stat.

I was looking, because I honestly thought at there was a point today where I really thought that he was going to get traded. There's only 11 guys ever. Who have played 125 playoff games.

And average 19 again. And the other guys at LeBron,

Duncan, Kawaii, Wade, Magic, Larry, Kobe,

Tatum, worthy, and Quay Thompson. Like, he's had a pretty great career. You know? And I still feel like he's getting better. I thought last year was the best he's ever looked.

So if you're the south, like, hey, Tatum's going to be healthy. We've won with these guys. Maybe we have to tweak our style a little bit. But, um, I don't think this is a disaster.

Now, the question is, does Jalen do a six hour Twitch stream to my RCR? Right. How does he handle the next 40 hours? I think we find out what we find out

“the next 48 hours, whether this was going to be.”

You might get traded for Janis, but you are getting traded, or whether it was. We might walk the dog here with you and Janis, but that doesn't mean we don't believe in you.

There's something kind of weird about the fact

they would stood six, seven years of candies,

two guys play together and win together, win a title. And then, and now we're going to trade you guys after we've established ourselves as a powerhouse in the east. And I do think that there's a little bit too much, um, let's tear up all the plans that we made

over the years going on right now, because nobody knows how to, like counteract the, the newly emergent powers in the MBA. And it's just like Boston's really good. They're going to be really good next year

if they run back to the same team. They can do some tactical tweaks that will easily get them into the mixer. But I feel like Zack tried to kind of shoot you a little bail on Sunday night and he was like,

"You only sources are saying this. Like, I don't know, what if Jailin's not even in this trade and you're like Jailin's in the trade?" So obviously, there's like, there's a, there's some truth to the matter that Boston has.

That was reported all over the places. Yeah, so I'm saying it for it. At this point, at this point, I'm just saying it seems like he's done in Boston to me. But you know, stranger things have happened.

Or barrier, maybe this was their way of like, maybe like a scared straight type thing. Remember that show and the, and the, what was that in the 70s or 80s? See what it would have been like,

if you'd gone to Milwaukee, see? You could have gone to Milwaukee, that would have sucked. That's the second. Listen, but like you, I'm a bit of a hot blooded, mostly Italian person.

I feel like there are times where I probably held a grudge a little bit too long, but like, I've had to get over it. Yeah. I just feel like at a certain point,

like maybe this is his best recourse because like, is he really better off going to a lesser team and just like having his way? Because all the teams that we mentioned, aside from maybe the pelicans,

are going to have similar issues. They're not going to be a Jailin type, that Jason Tatem type, where he's making all NBA teams and all this other stuff. It's more of a Jailin Johnson or Denny Obdia,

or like we'll see if Choir Deris Scarling would be there with the clippers, but like he's still going to have to get along with guys. This is like that League is just too talented at this point where you don't just get your team,

like it was 10 to 15 years ago, and like there are no issues there. You're just the guy and we'll play through you. You get 30 game, like Jerry Stackhouse, and you go to your all stars and that's that.

Like the League just doesn't exist that way.

“So I think if it's best for both parties to figure this out,”

I just don't know if it's like, if for him it's just un-solvable. Yeah, it's like on one hand, I completely agree with Justin, that this just seems like it's like three conversations,

and they could all be taking pictures together on Instagram in a couple of days. On the other hand, we've seen with Kyrie Irving with Kevin Durant, like we've seen situations where it's like,

so you had Valhalla, and you walked away from it multiple times. What happened there? And I just think, especially once a guy wins a ring,

it's kind of like, where are you happiest? More than where do I have the best chance to win? And what's his incentive as a basketball player, heading into the 11th year of his career?

He already won a title. This is, ironically, the Pat Riley disease a more, which is the nicks are going to have to deal with down too.

When you sacrifice and you're in selfish and you have a common team bowl, and then you have to start thinking,

I'm ready for some shine. So when Jalen said that was his favorite year of his career last year, and then he tried to backtrack a little. I was like,

no, I was meant because everyone kind of in a sound. We hit all this adversity. But yeah, I think a huge part of that was,

he finally got a shine. You say some things. You don't mean things right now. But I'm sure he did a second. I'm sure he loved to prove

that you can still be a really good team if I'm your best player. Right? They went 56 and 23 after going on and 3 to start the year. So he proved it. We'll see what else he wants to prove.

I think, I think he's a really good player. I had him second team on BA.

“Yeah, I think I voted for him in Ringer.”

What did he end up in Ringer 100? Like 1314th Ranch somewhere in there? I think he was 12 or 13th behind cat, but above Tatum. Yeah,

I had him right around there. And he's still in his prime. I mean, he looked as athletic as he ever was going to look last year. It's interesting now.

So it's talking to my daughter who's been living in Boston last three plus years, and has really become a Celtic fan, because she's gone to a lot of games. And she's like,

she's just dangerous enough with basketball opinions now, because she's gone in these games. She doesn't know a lot about trades. Like the Celtics have made smaller trades,

but never like a big trade with one of their dudes.

And she was asking me about this Miami versus Boston for Yannis and she's like, I don't understand. So Miami's not going to put BAM in the trade, but we are going to put Jaylin in the trade,

but they might not take Jaylin in the trade. I don't understand trades. And I was like, what Miami's going to put all of this other stuff, but it won't be BAM.

And she was just like, I know, but I saw the heat last year, like they kind of sucked. How do you get Yannis for that?

I was like, I don't know. But she's not available for the exchange. I think she's asleep. But you guys talked about the second apron.

I was like, you know flexibility and picks. But it is funny to pick it in that context. I mean, it was like, no, no, we can't put BAM in it. And meanwhile, Jaylin made second team on NBA,

that's shared BAM didn't make any team. Right? And BAM was in the ringer 100. He was in the 20s. He means more to Miami.

He's a big part of the city and the community. And, you know, I know they love them. They've been to finals with them. But it was just interesting that he couldn't be included in this.

But now that now you made the key point earlier,

they can at least build an identity around those two guys and a year of wagons and Mitchell. And we're just going to be a bitch to play with. We're going to have good. We're not going to shoot that well,

but it's going to be really hard to score against us. We're going to ugly games up. And you have to hope, Janis just has one of those 30, 12,

30, 12 and 5 play 70 games. It's conceivable. That Miami doctors fix him up. Yeah, he's in Miami. A lot of magical things have happened to Miami.

A lot of regulations. I mean, I would have to be concerned if they don't get the depth that they need in order to support him. That, like, not it wasn't just this past season where there were a ton of soft tissue injuries,

specifically because it seemed like he was playing too hard.

“And they were overloading him too much by playing through him, right?”

But it's like now a track record of multiple years. And we're saying, like, all these superstars across the league are getting these injuries in part because there's too much torque on their body considering the way the game is played right now. And so, like, it really isn't incumbent upon the heat to figure the rest of this out.

The one good thing that he have going for them is that even though they don't have the picks, they find these guys all the time. The juice myths. Like, some of the guys are across the league at this point. The game vincens where they maxed juices.

Like, they just make these guys out of nothing. But they do have to do that on the fly because they need to fill, like, three roster spots at this point. Yeah. And I think in 2027,

that's a harder task than it was 15 years ago. Because the league is so fucking deep now. Like, everybody goes nine, 10, 11 deep. Look at the guys that were coming off the next bench. You were buried play barely playing.

We're talking about, I always talk about the 2012 East Finals when the Celtics

almost made the finals. And they had McAlpiatris and Brain and Bass and Great Steams. Like, we had dudes that would not play for NBA teams now. That we're playing 30, 35 minutes. So I think it's a harder task here.

Do you think that there is, is there another step to all of this? Whether it's, you know, whether it's a completely separate thing from jail and yonis, but that these were dominoes that had to fall first to make them happen.

“Does Miami even have anything in the cupboard to get anything else going in the next couple of?”

They have the Wiggins, the Wiggins is 30. Right. Well, like, there's a John Marant. Hail Mary sitting there. Oh, now I'm interested.

The drinks just kicked in, are you serious? Yeah, there's a lot of South Beach places for that scenario. But yeah, I mean, look, I don't know what job, what the job Marant suitors are.

Is there one suitor?

Like, if the kids take a cuff, the kings are out as a jocer.

I don't even know who else we would say. Watched as a copy. Is McAlpiatris. Yeah. Yeah, it's got nothing to do with the idiots.

Part of Prague is getting in. I think if you were to get let go,

“then certainly, I think teams would be interested.”

But yeah, he just makes a shit ton of money. So we even getting him in the building would take a lot in terms of assets, even if you wanted to cobble together the contracts. And they just gave up, like, half or the roster. So I don't know how they even get to that point.

I have some fandom news. The Miami hate are now fifth with title ads. Oh, 20 to one. We have an East. In everywhere.

Okay. What do they do? Something we don't okay see. S centonio is plus 260. Selt 61.

Next plus 750. The next having worse odds than the south fixes. I don't know what to say about that. And then Miami's 20 to one and Denver's 22 to one. Detroit's 25 to one and the lacres at 30 to one.

So Vegas, like he. I don't know. That's low. There's really low for Detroit. I guess the thing with the nix is just like they do have a lot to recreate.

They're bench on the fly here because they're so top every. They're probably lose Mitchell Robinson. It still feels like a pretty extreme over reaction. But like, yeah, Detroit is out there. I know that like it ended very poorly.

And you can't. You wouldn't be bullish based off of jail and dirt and everything that happened there outside of. Kate looking good when he wasn't turning the ball over six times a game. But like they just have so many raw resources in order to figure things out. And it does feel like for instance, if they wanted to spin off hero from a walkie.

“Like, I think he makes a lot of sense there.”

Like, he's got the on ball juice. He could play without Kate. He could shoot and space the floor with him. Like, that seems like a natural nix move. If Milwaukee doesn't want to keep him around for Milwaukee,

beer night or wherever they're keeping him for. I got to say also, and I've been saying this probably at this time of year every year for 12 years. The east is getting better. So I don't know how this is not going to be Miami gets to cakewalk two out of three games a week. Like Indiana's going to come back stronger.

Oh, yeah. We can go back to Philly being Philly. What does that mean here? It just means Philly is Philly. It's kind of, I saw inside of a fortune cookie once.

Philly. Philly. Just like one of those UFC fighters that can get knocked out or knock anyone out every night. Yeah. Exactly.

But Indy Orlando, Cleveland and Detroit and Toronto are all like, These teams are all better than Miami. Yeah. So it's not going to be like, I don't see Miami slingshotting ahead.

Short of a Yannis superpower season. Right. And we saw even with the box where again,

Yannis was third MVP a couple years ago,

but it's not like they were a 60 win team. Right. I just think it's harder for one guy to have that kind of impact anymore.

“Again, I think Miami should have done this.”

I'm okay with it. So would you guys think of my tweet today when I said, I would be absolutely shocked if Hugo was was there his sort of to any outestrate offer. The entire organization is all in on him. Steven's probably the most.

They cannot be hiring him. I genuinely don't believe he's involved. Guess we'll see. Right. He wasn't involved.

Only way you could have improved that tweet is if you would finish it the way Trump finishes his, where he's like, thank you for your attention on this matter. We should have put that on true social, but if it's a thing.

Yeah. Would you have been more upset if they let go of Hugo? If only because Brown was the assume price for this, if they went above just brown and picks and got rid of Hugo would. I thought one of the reasons they were even entertaining this

is because they felt like they had guys that they could patch together the jail in minutes with and be like, not as good as jail in obviously, but okay. Like shiremen and and Hugo and then Tatum coming back playing 30 minutes

and then you have Janis grabbing a bunch of minutes. I think they did the math. It didn't make sense to me that Hugo or Shiremen would have been in the trade if we're trying to win a title. You know, because that's a pretty big hold.

I just removed Jalen out of that and his 36, 37 minutes again.

I know they love Hugo and I never believe that the,

I just will never believe that he was in the offer. I don't, I think they value him, whether it's right or wrong. We've seen teams. We've made jokes about this over the years.

There was that. I think my favorite one was Roddy Bubua on Dallas. It was just untouchable for so many years. About Roddy Bubua. Yeah.

It's like barring her on the wolves. It's like, yeah. But there is not to compare this to the Rondo KG situation, but I'm about to. When they traded for KG,

they made Rondo untouchable. And they just wouldn't discuss them as part of that deal. And Rondo at that point, he played garbage time for like a 17 win team. And, you know,

I really liked them. The real self that fans who watched the teams are like,

That guy's good.

I felt the same way about Hugo.

I just think he's 20 years old. I think he's an asset.

“And I think Shireman is another one who's an asset.”

So we'll see what they do. I still feel like, my guess is this isn't over CR. Yeah. That's what I figure.

I feel like either it's not over or something dramatic is going to happen where we'll read like Brad Stevens and Joe Mazzola met with J.L. Brown and Jason Tatum. For seven hours at the seaport. Some restaurant there.

They're just back to town for time. It's a town over and over again. And then what you just do flipping him? Yeah. The Mazzola took them for a ride through the north end

for the getaway, for Doug and those guys. Yeah. It's going to have to be simple like that to flip it. I don't think he's going to play for this.

I'll take it again. And I just,

I'm just based in that entirely off of how much Brad Stevens

seemed unhappy with the state of how they were playing. And I don't know how you radically reimagine that team without breaking those guys up. What do you think they're? The odds are on that.

I just hope that like cooler heads prevail here because I just think it's in both of their sides benefit in order to make this work. I just don't know how either makes out better if winning is the ultimate goal for both sides

in order for them not to still be together. They just won the title two years ago. Like, we're not that far removed from that. And they did such a good job of replacing

“like key components to this team on the fly.”

We just talked about Miami. Like, I'll be able to like conjure up bench guys out of nowhere. You just mentioned Hugo. Like, I don't know if you've seen the story

about Amari Williams. Apparently it's like two inches bigger. At this point. No. Yeah.

He grew three inches. At this point. At this point. He grew three inches. He grew three inches.

But when he killer who's arrived.

Yeah. He's here. Congratulations. He's ready to destroy Webby. This team just has so much going for them.

It just seems like it is more just on the personal level in order to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. And with that 27th pick, it's interesting.

There are some some guards that could drop. And the thing that this team once silenced. They didn't have them. The one thing they were missing was some sort of guard that could create.

Maybe they could find that with the trade exception or whatever. What's your team going to do CR? It's going to happen. It's really weird. I don't know.

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I can't I can't think of a single person who within days of getting a team or just going to a new team if you're a player or coach executive has just been so universally reviled and just like everyone is out on him.

“I think the one good thing is it seems like he does have an itchy trigger finger and I”

would be surprised that they went through this entire off season and didn't do something splashy because it just wants to get his name on it. He seems like a real I was almost surprised this morning when I woke up and I'm by the way I'm not a big fan of what done is doing it but like it did seem like he would have been the kind of guy who would hire dusty may.

Like they're like that was it was surprised and impressed that that Dallas did that. It really does feel like like do more as like completely stepped away from that team. They just like it let's redo this but I was I was I was like oh I wonder if this is the kind of guy who is going to start getting hired by these new owners. Any predictions for tomorrow on the draft fair before we go?

Nothing out of the ordinary. I would like to see I've talked myself into Booser going to although that sounds like it's cooling a little bit. They have cooled on it. Okay.

Just in terms of the fit though I think it would make a little more sense because I don't know like Peterson and George just doesn't really mesh as well I think considering that Booser seems like the type of player who connects disparate parts of your team. The jazz just have so many different guys in order to stir and eat someone to stir the drink there.

I also maybe I'm just writing the fumes of the nicks title but I'm thinking like George has the small guards surrounded by a ton of size like just might work and that seems like they have this sort of synergy to do it but yeah Peterson's going to go to there.

I was texting Werner about this today. I would take Booser too. Werner is a little scared of Peterson at three which I know he's talked about on a show. Just because they've lived through this kind of uncertainty with the team they have for so long.

And now you have this guy who was basically 15 minutes for Kansas games feeling like yeah I'm not going to play.

And they had the weird creatine thing. There's some red flags. Now he's been doing interviews heading into the draft where people have been pretty impressed. So who knows? I don't know what to say.

I don't know what to say. Just like let you know Bill Daren Petersen.

“I think you've got today recently said movies.”

Top three movies are the fugitive interstellar and then negotiator. Yeah. He caught my attention. See if the NBA doesn't work out. There's a third chair on the rewards rolls getting more.

Pretty good. Yeah. I mean, it's got usually just say like air bud or like alligator. Yeah. Yeah.

Would it be could have thrown in the town as his fourth one. But I'm going live after the draft after probably like around the boss and pick tomorrow for the draft. But the big questions for me. The Utah pick. What are the clippers do at five?

I still haven't heard anybody feeling awesome about any of the directions. And then I think that draft just gets weird around eight. And now you have the Michigan coach at nine. And all three of his mission and guys are going to be on the board. Yeah.

They were all Instagram like. Yeah. Coach right here. And, you know, as as a huge Steph Curry fan, I'm hoping somebody falls to the where's that 11. So they can have one last run.

It would be amazing at Buries.

You know, with somehow a but a fall to them at 11 because two teams did something weird. And then Milwaukee at 10 now that they have 13 could they take off. You know, get a little frisky at 10 because they know they have another pick coming. I think this is a really good draft. I'm excited for it.

And there's going to be some guards that fought. What pick do you have a pick or no CR? And I think we're 22. I mean, I hear in the 20s there's going to be good stuff. Portland does not have a pick, right?

No.

“They they conceded the pick because I think of the the trade was Chicago a few years ago.”

So we got a young go look forward to because unfortunately, he's still basically rookie and you didn't play last year. Yeah. Yeah. You got a boost up is this Chinese appeal. All right.

Well, I think we covered everything unless you want to take some shots at the Miami media.

See, I don't know if you know, I wish those guys the best. Yeah. And we still love to those guys. Guys, I've had a class at all this all the time. I'm sure in one year when you got this.

It was an exclusive, you know, anonymous source piece about how he's looking to get out of Miami. We could start this all up again. Did the brothers come, I guess we didn't cover that, right? Yeah. I just don't have to be that, right?

Yeah. But Pat Riley's famously not, hey, we're not like other teams. You're going to fit into our culture kind of guy.

“That's like kind of why Jimmy Butler, one of the reasons that I'm falling apart.”

So, I don't know, I'll be interested to see if the brothers come. All right. Barry or CR, thanks for joining me. This was an emergency podcast. We've been waiting for this trip for 13 months.

It was, what do we call it? Yeah. I wouldn't call it a emergency, but we'll recall it. Urgent. Urgent.

Urgent. Yeah. Urgent gathering. Yeah. Urgent care.

Urgent care pod. Thanks. I'm so interested in going out on Eduardo as well. I'm going to be back right after the draft. We'll be live on Netflix tomorrow night.

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