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All right, we're recording with Nick Wright about an hour or so after we did first things

first. I like when you're a little groggy, I feel like I have an advantage, you know, you basically played a whole game. Now you're doing a double header, this is good for me. With it correct, which is why you know, I have a light rule that if I'm potting after

6 p.m. Eastern, I drink red wine while I'm doing it, but I really, I need to be, you know, all my sensibilities to be able to combat whatever stuff you throw at me. So I have a big glass of pink lemonade, a backup bottle of water. I'm going straight sober to do it, because I don't know how you're, I don't really know the state you're in, this is your, the Celtics, who I picked to win the title.

And I know now you're like, ah, they weren't ever going to win the title. You thought they could maybe win the title, they're out, and so I don't know how you're doing. Terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you excited you, I mean, the lakers are still playing the Celtics

are at home. It's it can happen. It's at home. I woke up at four in the morning, and I was just lying at bed staring at the ceiling. And I just woke up.

I went for a power walk at like seven, third of the morning.

I was walking around, talking to my dad two days after the game, still furious at everybody. My dad, this is the maddest he's ever been after a series. I mean, Ron Harper, Jr., not going to save the season. It turns out.

“I, I, so I'm, here's the thing, I think I'm most stunned by.”

You could argue of everything that we're leading with this. Sorry, will you? Sorry. No, it's all right. Go.

You could argue of every contender in NBA history. There was not one better prepared for oh shit. Our best players out for game seven, what are we going to do? Then there's your Celtics. Yeah.

Who had 65 games?

So I don't, I didn't understand that from Missouri starting lineup.

And I, how do you grade four years of Missouri? Year two, crush everyone in root to a championship. And every other year, horrifying defeat as huge favorite. Yeah. Did you see the numbers?

It's like plus 500 plus 900 and plus a thousand. I think we're the few. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's really, it, and so I don't, you know, and, and then, and you, and you did

a very, I feel like you don't want them to break up, Tatum and Brown, but you acknowledging that it might happen really helped the conversation get going.

So it was journalistically, I was about it, even though it caused pain for you.

“But I think, jail and Brown, I think, jail and Brown, I think there isn't very interesting”

trade where Atlanta sends a bunch of stuff, including Milwaukee's own pick, a back-to-mil walkie. Atlanta gets jail and Brown who would fit with them perfectly. Who's from-- And Yanis goes to Boston, that probably makes more sense than Yanis for jail and Brown straight up, because why, why wouldn't Milwaukee necessarily want to do that? That I think for Boston's a really interesting possibility here.

I have it in my notes. I mean, we, we hinted at it on, on the Sunday pod, as we're doing the Sunday pod, Zack and I, Jalen was doing this Twitch stream. It did not go over well with the fanbase. I'll just say that. Look, it's a free country, you do what you want, but over and over again,

the theme from him this year has been, this has been the most fun season he's ever had. Time of my life. This is, and even the game's seven stuff of, that was the pace we should have played all along. I liked how, I liked the style we had that game, and it's just very, it's becoming very

“clear to me, and I think to a lot of other people that he wants his own team.”

And that's fun, but I think we can accommodate this. The trade you mentioned is the most logical trade because you left that one thing.

They also have a almost $28 million trade exception, so they can trade with Milwaukee, and

they can also take a contract back and actually save Milwaukee money, because they got under the taxes year, they can actually go over the tax, right? So they have coups month for one year left, like 22. You could just take that as part of the trade and absorb it, or you could take my, you, hey, did you not like the Bios Turner experiment?

We'll take them off your hands. He fits in that thing, too. The trade, who has the trade exception? The boss doesn't know. The boss doesn't know.

So boss that could basically get yawness and a year of coups month, send jailing out, send a pick to Milwaukee, and then Atlanta sends, you know, Risa Shea, Dyson Daniels, and whatever that picked. It's Risa. Well, so yeah, and the thing is, it's super valuable in this regard, because we'll see

what that Atlanta pick, you know, we're, I know, talk a lot of related, or they have potentially a really good pick this year, but since they have Milwaukee's 27 pick, Milwaukee being able to get that back and be like, all right, next year, we're going to suck and reap the benefits

“of it before we get going, and I think jailing would be great with Atlanta.”

I think that would, I have to do with them and jailing johns and you bring McCollum back. Yeah, that's something. And he's, he's, were you a wire guy? Yeah, of course. So I used to do this thing when I had McCollum back with my fingers worked about the rent

and Westbrook about wondering if, if the stringer A-Von thing was going to happen and bring them down. Yep. Right. And I was writing about this, and it really did not go over well with, I think, either of them or anyone in OKC, but the whole point was like the balcony scene in the wire,

where A-Von comes back, but stringer has kind of been running the show, and they start side eyeing each other a little bit. My fear with the Celtic season was that they were, it's a, it was a little like the wire thing. We're stringer was running the show in this case, jailing. Tatum comes back like A-Von, it's like, OK guys, we're a partnership again, but stringer

got a taste to run in the show. I didn't really fully think until that twitch stream that this is kind of what jailing wants, so I want them to stay together, but maybe this is just how the league goes. So I want to talk about the twitch stream for a minute. Yeah. OK. So because I find jailing to be both of these guys,

Tatum, I find, I found Tatum's openness and vulnerability in his recovery process, one of the most remarkable and endearing things from a star athlete I've ever seen. Him flatly saying before the New York game, yeah, you know, it's in my head, but I need to get over it. Like it being back on the court, like to, I thought it was stunning his approach there, and I thought his recovery that obviously hit a wall here at the worst time was remarkable.

needing to be on the team and to be involved and watching them and being a part of it.

Other guys just would disappear. He did. He's the blueprint now. I think for how you deal with something like this. I agree. Jalen, I find fascinating because I truly believe if all 450 NBA guys took an IQ test, I bet Jalen's in the top couple of person. Yeah. I think Jalen is a very thoughtful and guy and a guy who's off court causes.

“I think are really important and does like he does it a smart thoughtful guy.”

Well, and also the stuff he does in the city of Boston is the highest possible level of an athletes relationship with the city. That's another thing you have to think about if you're trading.

Right. So all of that is like true. And here's what's also true.

Here's some of the like wildest takes I've ever heard. Like the the part of the Twitch stream where it was, yeah, there was basically a conspiracy against me from the league because I've criticized the reps. Like are you serious? Yeah. And where he's like, yeah, the reps confirmed it to me because before the game, they said, we're watching like buddy, that's not because you criticize him. It's because the other team's like, hey, he pushes off so that letting you know

they flagged it to us. The fact that he is that smart and yet thought it would go over well to be like, yeah, I know I've won a championship here and been to six conference finals. But the year where my running mate was out with the torn Achilles and we flamed out three one leading around one best year ever. Even if you feel that way, that ain't going to go over well. And then the decision to do it and to do it with those three dudes just standing like none of it made any sense. It was

and so I'm like, I know he's a smart thoughtful guy. Yes, he's doing this, which is, well,

“so you have to flip that around. So why is he doing it? Correct. And he is a smart guy. And I”

think that's my takeaway after that was he's probably okay with moving on. And you we've forgotten to mention with that thing about the best year of his career. This is my dad. I was talking about my dad was like angry for my dad, but then started talking about how the NHL ladder is tonight. And if the maple leaves fall to six, we get their pick. So he he's moving on. But my dad was like we won the title two years ago. We were one of the statistically the best

teams of all time. We ran through it. He was a huge part of it. He won finals MVP and conference finals MVP. How is that not the most fun year of his career? My dad was like, I just don't understand. Like I would love for him to explain how this was. And Jalen was saying like, look, everyone counted us out. There was this adversity. They were calling us to gap your Celtics and we banded together. But the way the season ended, there's no way that could be your most fun year.

Correct. And it'd be one thing if, you know, if Scotty Pippin said, hey, 94 was the most

gratifying year of my career. I was always number two, every I Jordan one, every award, always. And in

94, we overachieved. We had a great season. We won around. That'd be one thing. I think that would also be insane. I, well, it would, I, I understand that that you probably wouldn't say it, but I would get it more than if Scotty had in 93, one finals MVP. And people thought he was awesome. Like it was, well, how about let's say you get hit by a bust tomorrow. And you're recovering for nine months.

“And as this is happening, the first things first has to resolve, reviving a while. That's what I said.”

And all wilds is doing, it's like, this is the most fun I've ever had doing TV. He must hate the great. Let's go ahead. That is it. That's the exact comp. I said, I said, I do the podcast. I do what's right. I would say that one bug. Yeah. I know. Well, I, so I do the that podcast with my son. Yeah. And I said to it, I said that to him this morning. I was like, if I got, you know, pneumonia was in the hospital for two months. And you went, you went, you went, yeah, you're in the

hint of virus. You run into shit. Exactly. You're stuck in a cruise ship for six buds. And you're doing the pod without me. And I keep seeing these clips of you saying to the producers, boys, I don't think the show's ever been better than right now. I'd be like, what the fuck? Thank you, buddy. I'm trying to get back. And so, but that's what it was. And you said throughout the year. And I think it's right. He was like 10% too happy about how it was going. Yeah.

don't forget to talk about your brother, J.T. How great it's going to be when he comes back.

But you could feel it in the playoffs here, because they did slow down. They did play a different style. I was talking about it on my podcast. Everyone I did. I was like, I don't really like how they look. I don't some things different. We're not using the bench. And this is, you know, some

“Missouri stuff. But like I said on Sunday, I think they were using that six or series as a tinkering”

lab for the next series, not realizing Philly was going to blossom into this. I mean, Philly might not win another game in the playoffs. This might have been a five day Philly run. That is just this crazy blip. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's game one was obviously disaster. Yeah. Right. That's the thing. I, I, I think they can win the series, but they were drawing dead to win that game after three one come back. We'll see what they look like in game two. They also might be when

even beads healthy. That's a legit really good top four guys. Like Paul George playing the way is to beat Maxi and Edgecomb. That's legit. They don't have a bench, but they have those guys. Here's my question for you on Boston before we get to the stuff you wanted to get to. Well, I have a, I have a honest thing we should talk about tip. Okay. Let's do it because obviously the hot button thing is the threes, all the threes, all the threes, all the threes. Yeah. Do you think that

that is while when our pal, Darrell did that against the rockets and did it, we're did, I'm sorry, did that against the Warriors with the rockets. What was underlying all that was we're the underdog. We are not, they have more talent. We need to add more variance to the equation. Are the Celtics underselling their position in the Eastern conference by adding so much variance to these playoff series? Should that be the strategy? If you make the

finals against the thunder, but not the strategy in round two last year against the next, yeah, round one this year against the sixers team without him beat. Like it felt like an underdog and FL team that's like we're on sidekick in every time back in the day, or we're going for trick plays, but you're not the underdog. Right. What they're doing five wide receiver every

down, never run in forever. And so that's my question for Mazula. Like can you throttle it down

when you have the better team and then throttle it up when you do need to add the variance because the other because you're overmatched and he's just never done it. It's just all gas at all times. In 24, it made more sense because the players, they had were so good and they had a horrified and presented Drew Holiday. Yep. Three guys who weren't on this team. They felt like they had

“to do it a little more with the math before Tatum got back, but when Tatum got back, I think they”

were trying to change a little bit and yet the habits and the games didn't reflect it. They shot and game two, they shot 53's I think. That was with no one beat. I was just the coaching strategy stuff. And it's weird because like I think Mazula's a really good coach. I just think he kind of whiffed on the series, but I don't think it was doesn't make me think they should fire him or anything. I just think he I think he misread it because I think the way to beat the sixers, especially

those first couple games of that and beat is like you just got to stop Maxi. We have all these wings.

You have Hugo, you've lost Shiremen, let's throw Derek White on him. All let's just not let him go get going ever and instead they're like hey I wonder if Vusavitch can hop out in time on these three. It's like I can tell you right now I can't. You're definitely not happening. So yeah but go. Your bigger question is do they need to game the math like this? We saw it in San Antonio. I'm going to soda last night. We're taping this on a Tuesday. You know what's really nice? Sometimes

they're like 12 foot Julius Randall you know bang into the body shots just to keep going. You know

“it's really nice for Philly, that can be just getting nice easy 8 to 10 footers and you need to balance”

to that and they lost the balance. And there is one last thing for we do the Euryanis thing. Three is worth more than two. But a one point lead the difference between trailing by one and leading by one in a playoff game is 10 miles wide and the difference between leading by one and leading by two is six inches wide. So when you when you had six possessions in a row down one point in the fourth quarter of the game seven I don't give a shit if I can be up to. I just want

to be up. I just want Philly to have the ball. I want Philly to be like oh no did we blow it.

I am I'm stunned Boston lost the way they did and it does make you wonder like you said Yannis would fix a lot of this just by virtue of the fact he ain't shooting threes. He's giving you that front fast breaks. Yeah. The problem I went back and I watched that fourth quarter again and the shots were actually good shots. No I can see like Jaglin had a couple two pointers that he just made all year. They were like 12 footers. Now the one where I forget

who someone falls down. Yeah. Yeah. You shouldn't. It was a sideline jump. Richard in the corner. I would bet my life on that shot. He missed it. So you can go to the summer and be like oh we usually make those shots. But they lost the series in game two and game five. That was when their style went sideways. So the honest piece which I did a whole thing about it. I don't know maybe six

“weeks ago talking about my fears for trading too much for him because I think he's going in”

it was 14th season. The track record is terrible. It's basically like just even guys doing 23 and

10. There's like four of them ever. Not to mention he's been injured in some capacity. I think every year for the five of the last six something like that. Since the title at least three of the years major in a lot of miles and then you think about big guys with you think about Dwight Howard the second part of his career. You think about Shaq the second part of his career. Like big guys they don't necessarily age in the greatest ways. So I don't think he's worth as much as we thought

a year and a half ago where it was like oh my god you trade everything for that guy. I don't think that's the case. I don't think you're going to approach that way. But you would trade jail and brown trail. I think that my point is I think the Celtics have enough to get him without gutting the entire whatever because I think his value is dropped. Especially because here's the other thing. The reason why I think the Celtics have enough to get him because a shingoon package looks

less attractive today. No question. How about like the mobile is looks less attractive than it did a year ago. He's the same guy as a year ago. Right. And so like who you're competing with and how that now Atlanta putting together the package we're discussing and cutting Boston out. I guess is interesting if they decide that's the move. Well that's that's can be the Sunday. We're talking louder a little bit later. Sunday if Atlanta gets into that top four they're out of the jail. I'd rather the top four

picked the jailin. I think it has more trade value. Oh interesting. Yeah there's no question.

jailins make it 60 million a year and you could have Cam Booser or I love Caleb Wilson. I actually

have Caleb Wilson hire on my board. I'll show it. Wow. I have a board. No I don't. So my my fake board you have those guys for 10 million a year on a rookie contract versus paying jailin 60. They'd be irresponsible to trade that pick for jailins. I think. So yeah I mean I feel like I feel like four is where it's interesting. I think top three definitively has like this intent value. I don't. No you you you're going to get on board with Caleb Wilson. Okay. All right.

“I think he is higher than four on multiple teams boards already. No but that's what I'm saying.”

It's I'm what I'm I agree with you on that. I don't. I'm not as in love with Booser or is everyone else. I think if the drive goes. What do you do the thing I do when you're watching the playoffs and you try to imagine the guy in the game you're watching. I was trying to imagine him in the San Antonio Minnesota game last night. I was like well all right I could see him guarding Randall. I mean I know this is just going to sound pretty dumb or obvious. You know who Cam Booser reminds me of

guy named Carlos Booser. He's dead. Like yeah that is a guy that is going to have a really solid yeah 12 year NBA career. I think he's a better passer. The sure the game's changed but my point is a guy who I think of all the top prospects. Cam probably has the lowest bust potential. Like the least likely to be a bust but I think he's also the least likely to be an MVP like and so

“that's why I'm not as high on and maybe his other guys. I would take Caleb second. Now I'm”

I've reserved the right to change my mind. He's going to answer Caleb Peterson. Yeah. He deserves him. I think Caleb's going to be unbelievable. The same thing with Castle was similar where it's just like the guys too competitive. He's too athletic and he's too competitive. Those

guys always win. We see it doesn't matter what team it is, what draft like he's got that.

I know what that is and he's like a combination of like Sean Cabb and Chet. I think he's going to be

now Fomin 56789. Now I could really think about the Jainland thing because you think like now I could

“have because Jainland Johnson as much as I like him and I vote for him all NBA. He's kind of a”

one B. I'm not sure he's a one A. You could feel it in that playoff series. It's not like hey clear out guys I got this. He's not that's not the type of player he is. No he's his ceiling is like a better offensive igwood dollar, right? Yeah, the guy who's like a better Jainland Williams. Like that's like his sister's. Yeah, a guy who can do everything is a winning player, you know, can definitely be a key part of a championship team. What is he's your best player? You've got no shot. No shot.

There's no shot of winning a title. So what would you give up? How much would you how crazy would you get for youngs? If I'm what team? Pick a team. I mean, I pick if you're my enemy would you gut everything you had and all I don't know what that I just would know. I know because I don't know what that achieves. If I now all of a sudden, the honest is just in Milwaukee south. Like I I mean, the next sort of been the one that were like fuck it. We have a window. We got to do this,

“but the nicks are gonna make the finals, I think. I don't I don't see anybody stop it. And also,”

I don't love any of the nicks trades. Right. Like the because they traded their picks. No, I if I were Detroit, would I give up a, you know, I haven't done the trade. No, it's that's that you're looking at Duran and all your picks basically. I give up Duran and all my picks. And I don't know if Milwaukee, if that, if that's, I don't know if that's. Right. If that if Milwaukee wants it, I think the easiest trade is going, would be the reason I think the Celtics are very live

here is because it's so easy. Yeah. But he at Jalen in the honest make the same amount of money, you can, you have a third, if you need a third team at Atlanta makes a ton of sense at like

there's just, by the way, you can't get out New Orleans. New Orleans might feel like we've always

love Jalen and all the said Duran it. Oh, yeah, sure capable of anything. Um, yeah, they are. That's when we do this lottery karma thing. I've got something on that. Yeah. The so I, but no, I agree with you that Janice is right now, the fifth best player in the league and oddly does not have the fifth trade

“value. No, not at all. And I think there's teams that would maybe be like, we're good. Like,”

okay, see San Antonio. I don't think those teams would trade for him. Well, let me hold on. So that's an interesting one. I think they love their culture and their young guys. I don't think they, I think they obviously love to win the title this year, but I don't think they'd feel like the season was a failure if they lost. And they're looking at the long run way, you know? Not the seasons of failure, but let's just, let's just say,

Minnesota beats them in six and Fox struggles and get the way he didn't game one throughout the series. Then Fox came to fall guy after the series. Yes. And added bonus, when we get pushed around a bit, like I, he didn't game one. You mean when he shoots five for 18 and and short arms every big shot down the stretch, like I said, like that. And well, and gets, you know, physically pushed around, like that's the thing for Wimby is a, he was exhausted

at the end of that game. Yeah, he's not used to play in big minutes and and he's so he's doing all that. Be, go bare as strong as hell and now's reading Julius Randall was strong as hell and they were pushing him around. If I do wonder if San Antonio loses a bad fashion if they feel like we're listen, we're not abandoning our future or our plan and we're keeping Harper castle and Wimby, but Dearen Fox, another contract and a bunch of our picks for Janis. So, you know, so there isn't

such a heavy offensive load on Wimby and OEA, by the way, we just become, you know, a better defensive team than OKC like that. That's something I would think about. I would. I'd be more excited to just play Carter Bryant or next year and ride this out. And I would, Janis feels like a panic

went to me. Like that, like San Presti to me, I always say what would San Presti do? That is

a San Presti would not do that. He would probably, he would probably look at the Harper situation because we all love Harper. We were going to expand on him. But as like, okay, Fox, Fox was our training

with a little more size and think about it that way. We got to take a break. I want to talk about

“San Antonio, Minnesota. And I think you and I are feeling similar about the series. Perfect.”

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pay monthly. The Minnesota timber lobes who were such giant underdogs for the series and for the finals that Nick Wright has a story for us from his trip to Vegas. Well, okay. So I so I went to Vegas to see the Benevita's fight. Who is one of the scariest boxers we've had in the last 20 years. Unbelievable. He broke his face on Saturday night. No, he destroyed his broke his orbital. The guy

the guy we fought Zerdo had never been knocked down. Much less knocked out was a total warrior.

And Benevita's just annihilated him. And by the way, I had been a Vita's by knockout. Nice little ticket with my buddy Nick Schulman, the world's greatest poker player. Oh, so who's your unboxing. That's like an automatic bet. And so I'm in Vegas Saturday morning. And I'm on my way to the sports book or I'm at the sports book to bet Benevita's and I see the championship odds. And I see the, you know, okay, see minus one 25, whatever they were at the time.

Spurs about the lakeers at 28 to one. And then 28 to one. Well, that's the California people come and they bet the lakeers. But that's still important context for what I'm about to say. Then I see beneath the lakeers, the lakeers who play okay see and Luca is injured for 28 to one. Minnesota is 200 to one Saturday morning or Lando was 400 to one. This was 12 hours after

Orlando played the worst half of basketball in television history. There's never been a

televised half of basketball worse than what they did. They're not even going to make him become fictional

“shows for that four of 37. That's what they did by the World of Delaware. Yes, they've been”

about our fresh friends. We need a fictional basketball. So I'm like Orlando's 400 to one. Yeah. I'm like, what the, I was like, I'm staring at it. I'm like, hold on. I watched speaking of Janice. Janice suffered this same injury Anthony Edwards did. He missed seven days. Came back for a game one of the finals and averaged 35 13 and six. I was like, I think Anthony

Edwards might come back sooner than people think. I think that there is just always this weird

specter of injury looming over Wimbee. I was like 200 to one. He's seven foot seven. Any point he can get hurt. Correct. I was like, it's 200 to one. So I'm like, I had one in poker the night before. So I'm like, I think I'm going to put like a thousand bucks on this. Yeah. I've texted my buddies. All of a sudden, cut my buddies want in one end. And they're like, hey, see if they'll take $10,000 on it. And I'm like, okay, my guess is it's the right. I was like, my guess is they won't,

but I'm not sharp action. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like they're like, oh, this

playing Blackjack at four in the morning. They don't think all of a sudden I have like, you know, I have inside info. Yeah, back in. Vacuum Blackjack when they're vacuuming them. Yeah. That's exactly what you're by the way. They see on their cards. They're like, my God, we've got me come up this guy $1,200 in packs of new ports over the last year. And he said the vacuum address. So, so I walked to the window and I'm like, hey, oh, and the derby. And people are

betting the derby. It's a couple hours for the derby. Yeah. Um, and I say I'm like, hey, I'd like $10,000 on the Timberlves to win the title. And the lady pulls it up and she's like, oh, she's like, oh, she's like, I'm going to have to get a manager. She said $9,000. I don't think once it gets to five figures, they get freaked out. No, well, what she said was, any ticket that'll pay out more than a million, which $5,000 would have paid out a million, because it's $200 to one, we have to get a

get permission. Oh, she's like, okay. So I'm just sitting there. People are betting the horses

“ladies. Like, I think though, she's like, I'm sure they'll take at least $5,000. So I'm texting my”

buddies because we're going to split this ticket four ways. Like, I, you know, here's what it is.

No, no, five minutes later, guy comes, he's like, you're good. They printed the ticket. So I have in my possession on the Minnesota, 10,000 to when $2,000,000, they were $201. It's been three days. What are they on Fandwell right now, Bill? They're 25 to 1, 35 to 1. It's a great investment. The ticket right now, the tickets worth $65,000. I mean, I would never hedge. I'll never sell it and it'll probably lose, but that it was just mispriced. It's like, it's just a mistake.

Yes, you can just a mistake. You could have now tried to hedge that with OKC. Like, there's moves you could make. Well, I'll tell you another thing that you will laugh at me about. I have not from Vegas, but from, you know, gambling at the day before the playoff started, $100,000, just of my own money, $150 to one on the Los Angeles Lakers to my side of. So all I just need a Lakers. The Lakers, T-walls, Westergiver, to finals, and I am free rolling. But I was watching

last night and I swear, like the watching Minnesota play so well and then almost blow it and then champagne, you have a shot because I now think Minnesota's going to win the series and had he made

“that shot. I think they would have lost in five. Right. I think they would have picked a bunch of”

good Swiss. Dominic punch. Yeah. Yeah. So look, the South-X added awful loss on Saturday. My daughter turned 21. I don't like to apologize to my listeners that often. I really regret not studying

the Minnesota San Antonio thing way longer. The Edwards things at great point. It was basically

the same. He came back at nine days. They said it was going to be 14. He was really only on paper, probably only missing game one. But the thing I realized last night I was watching, I was kicking myself. I was trying to think of 21st century Hall of Fame, fuck you, basketball teams. Just teams that just have fuck you, all of everything they're doing, the way they're carrying themselves everything. And I think the three I had were the pre-maylay Pacers, which ended up the fuck you

spilled on the crowd. But the way they carry, that first month before the fight, they looked like they were going to win the title. And they looked like a more dangerous scary version of the four pistons, the O7 warriors in the, in the, we believe season. Ironically, Steven Jackson, I'm both those teams. And I think the 2020 heat had it, too. And it was interesting, because when that was the series, I screwed this up a pod before we'll drag it, she got hurt. But there was something

about that heat team that they were just, they carried themselves, like, dragonslayers. Like, do you watch Survivor? No. There's this Survivor contestant coach who tries to, he calls himself

the Dragon Slayer and tries to carry himself like a fuck you guy. And it always backfires on

them. So yeah, the teams that actually carry it and can do it. Yeah. And I was trying to stuff they said after the game where Shannon's like, I'm going to fucking drive to the basket and when be my block some of them, I'm going to keep coming and he can either block them or I'm going to score. But I'm never going to stop coming to the basket. It's like, I think that's exactly

“how you have to play San Antonio. Keep coming. Right. And you can't, because here's the thing,”

a block shot does not kill a possession as much as a shot clock violation because you won't put anything up. Yeah, you make it the ball back. One of the biggest shots of the game last night

he'd be the rockets could have had him. They probably saved their season. The I am, I would add maybe

to your list the Grit and Grind Grizzlies, who won times another great one. Didn't, they didn't have their best player for a game. No, they don't sell them on someone in the head. Right. And then game six of a series. That's a great one. So the, the 2011 Grizzlies, I apologize. That's the

“perfect ad for this. And so I, here's the thing why I feel so good about Minnesota. I don't think”

they played great yesterday. They were all over the world. Yeah, he was bad after the game. They were awful from the free throw line. McDaniels was in foul trouble. The whole game. So he couldn't do all his shit. Yeah. Was just getting back into the flow of it. You could see it, but he ran out of gas at the end and almost blew it. And he only played 25 minutes. Right. And they still, and by the, at some point, I think I owe is going to take those bones

island minutes. And a bone talent, he hit the one three. They took it off. But he's over six. Like, I just, and you left that two other things. They have nobody believes in a synergy. Like, they're like a football team. This is like watching an NFL playoffs. They, yeah. Finch, what he said after the last series, or he's like, they wanted to play us. Like, that's, this is what they wanted and that really made us bad. And now this series, same

thing where the spurs, huge favorites, the darlings. That's one. The other is, you don't really realize that sometimes you're watching it. The spurs are going to need Carter Bryant to come back and actually play real minutes, or they're going to lose the series. Because Minnesota has a physicality of anage with Randall and with Edwards and, and to me, go, San Antonio last night, three guards, Ficell and Wemby. It's not going to cut it. They're not big enough.

Well, and, and there's, there's, there's two, there's two other kind of, and I'm not like a X's and O's guys guy, but there's, it's very obvious. There's two things that jumped out to me before the series, and now after watching Game One. When when Go Bears on the court, he really is going to give Wemby trouble on offense. However, him being on the court fully unleashes Wemby on defense,

because Go Bears never going to be anywhere, but by the basket. So Wemby can just play

just safety and block everything. However, when Go Bears off the court, they can mitigate Wemby a bit because they can go five out. They can go five out and, and because everybody can shoot. So that's the first. Well, and then also multiple physical guys that can come in, you just want to beat him up. He's 22. He's never been in play 10 straight weeks of playoffs like this. Zach, I listened to Zach today. Zach said last night was the third most minutes. He's

ever played in any game in this career. It was 40, wasn't 46. It was 40. And at the end, he looked a little, the final possession, Derek Harper gets the rebound, gives it to Wemby. Wemby gives

“it right back to him. Like I know, and he was gasped and then didn't remember the Denver,”

the Saturday game against the back and forth with Joker, the same thing happened. He got gasped by the team. Right, the game of the year, and by the overtime, he's out of it. He's just out of it. And you are how many elbows to the ribs, and he had those bruised ribs, which it's very into the year, is he going to have from Go Bear, Randall and Nazareth? How about how many guys going full speed driving into him? He's legs, elbows, push offs. I think their whole game plan is to beat the

shit at him. Which is why they couldn't blow that first game, Minnesota. Like they couldn't have done with that and then lose. Well, that's like five-game role where it's like, if you lose that game, now you basically have to win five games at the seventh game series, you're not going to win.

“You have to win. Correct. And so I, and I just think, Ant, I'm going to say one other thing”

that I think is like psychologically just true. And this is a problem probably for a lot of Kevin Durant teams to be totally honest. The best teams take on the personality of their best player, whether he wants them to or not. Like my, my team, the Kansas Chiefs, you know why there's

never any bulletin board material, because Mahomes is the most boring press conference there's ever

been. And everyone just falls falls in line. Right. He was like this. Right. Very pretty. The thunder,

thing. Everybody's like, you know what? We're doing group photos, we're doing group commercials, we're doing that. Ant is so goddamn fearless. Yeah. And Trump in it that not only does the

“whole team take on the personality, you know who I think it is great for is go bare, who go bare”

is just like, man, I've just been a fucking punchline. Everybody make me my own team. When I was in Utah, it seemed like sometimes my own team mates didn't like me. The inside the NBA makes fun of me. Dramon chokes me. I don't get the respect and now I started to COVID. Yeah. Well, that was, I mean, that wasn't great. That was, that was not great. And now, like, it's like, I've got the toughest crew and guess what? Joker come deal with me. When this is, this is for, go bare is going to be in the

Hall of Fame. And this is the, everyone's in the hall. Could be, what'd you say? Everyone makes the hall of Fame down. Right. I understand. Uh, but four time defensive players are here. No, he's going to make this is the moment where he can really puff his chest out and doing it against like, I don't know if Wendy's his protege, but, you know, they're both French. Like, he's known

“him since he was a kid. Like, I don't know. I think it's a little big brother, a little brother”

think to that. Like, when you know somebody, when, you know, when they were 12 and you were 25 or

whatever it is, like, you're always going to kind of see them that way. What you just described

with the go bare thing with the ant, it's one of my favorite basketball things, the best one ever for this was Bill Lambear who ends up on a team eventually with Mohorn. And then Isaiah, who was probably the toughest guy at the 80s, he was six foot two and that whole team and then also at Lambear is like, by 1990, Lambear is like, I think I can fight Charles Barkley and gets like, he's throwing actual punches with Barkley, he's close-lining dudes. That, you know, when you,

you could do that when you have those guys around you. And then in the early 90s, those guys weren't around him. And what happened? The nicks, they come in the Riley nicks and they basically just snatch their souls like a boxer. But it's, it's so authentic from aunt, jaden, and Julius Randall. Those guys are like, we're bad asses and we're going to beat them up. That it is infectious for everybody. Randall and the joke here fight, Randall was going to, or they're near fight. It seemed

like Randall wanted to fight everybody in that. Yeah, it's a tough day. Yeah, and so I just, I don't know, man, I am. So here are my concerns. Yeah. Can they ramp up Edward's is minutes enough? They're relying on zombie, my colleague who played a good game sex and played

decent minutes for the yesterday, but old guys in a series always makes me nervous.

What's going to come as I'll be able to come back and actually play the Shannon thing, what he brought to the table in different chenzo's place? I kind of liked. Like, just, it just felt like another relentless guy who just all he wanted to do was ball and get to the rim. San Antonio, three point shootings, always going to make me nervous with them. The youth and the inexperience including the coach. And then the fact that they need Carter Bryant, who's a rookie, I don't even

think he's 20 yet, but they're actually going to like genuinely need him in this series. And then the big thing is Fox, because Fox killed them yesterday. And I felt like they didn't want to bench him because they didn't want it to become a story, but they should have, and they should have played Harper down the stretch. I don't, not to say Harper's better than Fox, but Fox was so bad in that game. And it's going to be a story now because he knows he'll be the fall guy at the loose.

Yeah, the Fox things really disappointing. I've, I lived in Houston when he, we've talked about this a bit. My son was a big time high school named college basketball player. And so I was in a lot of the same AAU events as Dearen Fox. Yeah. And he's a little just a little bit older than my

son. I mean, I watched him score 40 points in the first half of a running clock AAU game. I've never

seen anybody like him on the court. And so I've always, I rooted for him in Sacramento. Yeah. I've always liked him. But he is the full crum of this series. Because I don't care about Harrison Barnes

“experience. Harrison Barnes is not a key part of the rotation. Luke Cornette has experience. He's”

a backup center. The only guy with playoff experience that should be on the court and crunch time is fine with trust. Yeah. And if he's not, if he's not up to it, it's such, you're going to have

get my comments that AAU, right up until the AAU comes back. Like this would be, that should've been

“the easiest game in this series for you. What did you make of the final possession for San Antonio?”

Young team I'm calling time out. A lot of times I like to let the clock go in that situation. I think you do it if you have an older team experience team. Like if you're the next young team I'm calling time out. And I didn't think champagne shot was going in. Even though it was wide open and it was the best possible shot they could have gotten and kind of that you know, Harry Carrey kind of situation. I would have called time out. But I, I don't, it's like,

it's like staying on 12 and blackjack. You kind of have to decide, is this who I am with this moment?

You can't just be like every time I do something differently. So that's apparently what they do.

So I, so I have two takes I guess. If I'm mid Johnson and I see Harper get the rebound and throw it to Wimbie. At the moment I see that no, the moment I see that Wimbie has now just passed it back time out. Yeah. Like if he threw it to him and Wimbie's ripping up the court like all right, you know, what? When are die with what this guy decides to do? Either way, it's important moment for him. But once he gave it back, I'd be like, okay, let's talk it over. My other I normally think down to

go for the three because over time, like try to get the win. It felt to me like because the one time I, I am a bigger fan of playing for over time is when the other team has just

“absolutely melted down. Well, in us, it has a guy in a minutes restriction. Who's their best guy?”

Yeah. That's the other thing. I mean, I know Castle had fouled out, which works against it. Yeah. But it just like when when LeBron hit the three and game three against Houston, it was 100% that if Houston did not win in regulation, they were losing it over time because it was such an emotional devastation that you were there. Minnesota was a Saturday with a minimum minimum. It doesn't matter though. I don't give a shit. There are certain things that you just,

you, if you know it every time, especially if you're in the building for that, right, if you blow it, if you're a big underdog that had a game one and then lost it, but and it goes to over time, you're, it was pretty good. Listen, the three in the corner, I knew where you're going to lose. Game was over. And so I just, I wouldn't have hated a time out draw. And the other thing is this,

“here's the thing at time out allows for you to have. If you are like you're saying San Antonio,”

trying to win and also trying to win next year and like to develop something, a good moment for when be either way. Hey, man, draw on this up for you. Win or lose. We did five for 18 and they're going to put it to go bare and now that we call the time out. All right, so that's fair point. That's fair point. Keep and go bare off the court. But this is the issue with them as who is your, I'm going to create a good shot going downhill for us on our team.

And the answer is it's still in Harper who's 19 years old. Even in that moment when he got the rebound,

five years from now, he's going to know in his head exactly how much time is left and he's off. He gets that, he doesn't throw it to Wemby. He's just going because he knows like I have eight seconds to get it to go. He's 19. He was like, hey, oh, shit. There's seven seconds left and you could see it the way that's the problem with relying on you. I think I've been calling Dylan Harper Derek Harper. You didn't want to listen. Oh, blisters are used for use to old guy things like that.

So it's fine. I have a really important question for you about the series. Yeah. Who do you think, okay, see what's the play after they watch that first game? What a great question. I was thinking about this all day and I don't even have an answer, but I think they would want to play Minnesota because San Antonio was such a weird matchup for them. But after watching that game, I think I'd be afraid of the fuck you with the Minnesota team.

Man, it's going to feel if Minnesota wins this series, it will feel a little team of destiny is and we assume and will be by the end of it in the best like the healthiest he's been, that team I would want nothing to do with. How about the run of beating Joker and beating them to the point that Shoms is on Sports Center next day going. They'll take calls that everyone on the team except Yoke. That's not one. Round two is we've we've cut

Then round three, you beat the back to back potential champs who've just won a thick 140 games

in two years or whatever it is. And then round four, you beat the next. It's about as good of a run as you're going to have. Certainly would be as good. It would be as good of a run to a finals as we've had in since Durks, Durk in 11 or he came in 95. He came in 95 is the Alzheimer. Oh, yeah. And that's 60, but this season is a 60, too. And by the way, it came in 95 also ended with the next. Well, here's the other question. Well, answer that one. I've been 95

“ended with the magic. Sorry. Go ahead. So who do you think they're rooting for? I think they”

as crazy as it sounds because San Antonio owned them. I think they want, I think at this point, they'd rather play San Antonio. Who do you think the NBA is rooting for? Because I think you could make the case. It's better for the NBA of Minnesota wins the series because Wemby's already going to happen. Wemby's inevitable. It makes Minnesota elevate San. Yeah. And it gives, I, I think that is true. And I think there is there is a authenticity and

charisma to aunt. That is just infectious. Yeah. And that is impossible not to be drawn to. And it is, I also feel like Minnesota winning it gives a lot of fan bases hope. Because Minnesota is not as, like, considered a, they're just smartly put together. Like, it's like, they get a number of pick in the draft. Yes, the aunt's a great, great player. Don't get me wrong. But they don't look at him like an alien like Wemby. Yeah. It's not like, okay. See,

it's like, oh, well, yeah, they have a billion picks and pulled off this ice. It's like, no,

actually, we had a smart GM. We just lost the most improved player in the league with left or team. We lost him and had to replace him in the killer Zander Walker. And we were fine.

“So I think that is, I think Minnesota winning it. I also, again, as your audience is, I just told”

them, you know, I have a half a million dollar worth of equity in it. So I guess maybe I'm a little worth. It's an awesome story. I could not believe. Sometimes I watch, like, you know right away with a playoffs series or Linda Detroit, it was just clear they were even. Yeah. And you could watch game one and like, oh, shit. This is going to be a good series. Boston Philly game three was the game that word me and then me came back and messed them up for a game. But game three,

even though the Celtics one is like, ah, they seem really comfortable against us. Like, this is a bad, bad sign. And I think that game yesterday. I don't think it was a flu castle fouling out. You could point to Fox was terrible. No Carter Bryant. Those are three things they can fix. But

“I agree with you. I think Minnesota could absolutely win this series and it gunned to my head.”

I think I would pick them. Listen, I think it is Minnesota was like plus 800. And then the ant news came down and they were down to like plus 400. And then right before tip off was down like plus 350. Yeah. And now right now, I think they're like plus 160. And the only reason I don't think it is even is because it's all read. If they started as such dogs, it hasn't totally fully over corrected. But I, I think plus 176 right now. Okay, plus 176. So it's that's fair considering

they have three home games left. The guys come back. We got to take a break and we have two more big topics. All right, pretty good NBA playoffs so far. I case you know, I'll play a song. I'm looking at the Slates sharing my favorite picks on Twitter. I almost hit everything last Friday and ended

up. Tatum gets hurt in the third quarter and doesn't hit his points rebounds over which he was

very close on everything else hit. This is what happens. But this is also why I same game parlays are so excited to do. I'm posting my picks on Twitter usually on for the Wednesday games. And then maybe Friday over the weekend. So I'll be looking at San Antonio, Minnesota, putting some sort of pick. I really think Minnesota every game is a live underdog because they are absolutely convinced that they can be at San Antonio. So stay tuned for that pick. When I bet

I bet with Fandel a brand I trust. Easy to build. Your NBA bets on Fandel. You know, you're getting great odds. Payouts on your parlays. Many boost options and you're going to get your winnings instantly. Fandel. Play again. All right. I want to do lottery karma rankings with you, but you wanted to do LeBron in the ringer 100 quick. So go ahead. You have the floor. Yeah.

Wait, I know what's going with it. I just have a request to the founder CEO and president of the ringer to convene an emergency ranking session and be like, hey, real quick, everybody. I just wanted to do a saddest check. Do we still think all the old guys are better than LeBron? Because all fucking year I've had to look at this and CEO, Steph Curry's better than LeBron. That's cool. Why? He's obviously better than LeBron.

Kevin Durant. Oh my god. He's clearly better than LeBron. James Freaking Harden better than LeBron. I'm looking at it. And I don't know. I live in New York City. I saw Steph Curry yesterday at the Met Gala Kevin Durant. I didn't see him, but I know what he's doing. Hang out somewhere. Ruining a locker room via Twitter. Hey, why Leonard is winning your, your, your, our buddy, Pablo Pulitzer. Yeah. James Harden's going three for nine in the game seven.

And LeBron's throwing goddamn aliubes to his son in the same game. He hit a series clenching three. And I got to say, see, he's not a top 20 player in the league. Give me a break. Can LeBron, please be the highest ranked old guy, please. Well, we do the list every month. And it's a snapshot of where everybody is at that moment when we do the list.

“And I'm sure he'll be much higher when we do the list again. I think we need to add another list, though.”

Which, by the way, is always great content. But we have the ring 100. That's over here.

So somebody that can be, it's not going to do well in the ring 100 because he plays 30 games a year. Like at some point, you got a durability has to become a huge Puerto Ranking. Yeah. I think we should start a list of, best guys if I know I'm getting them 100% healthy for one playoff series. What's your list? And then LeBron moves up really high on that list. I think by that metric, first of all, I hear what you're saying about durability really matters. Not for the ringer's favorite child

Steph Curry. He can miss 35 games. Nobody cares. Got to be top 10. Not neither in or there. Fair. If that were, if that were the list. What you said exactly, I think LeBron right now is still a top eight guy.

“Well, you said, I think I really healthy. I think he's 14 to 15 range, but you can talk”

me into 10 or 11 12, just because I have fucking smarty is. Yeah. Like, they're Houston series. And then I, I should have probably talked more about it on this pod, but Houston was so disgraceful with the whole everything. It was also brutal. It was, I mean, it was so mad about this.

It was the two critical moments in the series were Friday nights, which are terrible for

series of podcasts. Yeah, you're right. Game three, the steel and game time three is a Friday night. And then the master piece in game six is a Friday night. So it's just bad for content, but it was, I, I understand how many times have we seen him just do that to a team, where it's just like, he Jordan would do it with like his prowess. LeBron kind of will do with his prowess, but his brain. And he just kind of unlocked the other team. And you give him a team like that

messed up or I could see him with no point guard and a weird coach. And I'm not sure the chemistry

“was great. And it's like fucking red meat for LeBron. No, yes. And that's why I, like,”

is Cade Cunningham better than LeBron right now. Yeah, sure. Of course he's Cade Cunningham is

first team all in be a guy. But Cade Cunningham and Jalen Bronson and Tyreys Maxi, all these guys who are

better than LeBron, even but I would say so, Cade could not have after a game and a half just been like, oh, here are the fatal flaws of Houston, and now you can't win. And I am going to, I am in the, I'm going to be in such full control. I'm creating memes with little kids on the bench. I'm mortifying Shin Goon and front of his teammate saying, everyone else can complain about me flopping, but not you, all your teammates can, but not you. I'm doing all of this. And it is juxtaposed to

one of his primary rivals of the era, the story around him being, wait, he's on an underwater treadmill during game three. Yeah. Wait, this time. The, the team, and I like Cade a lot, but oh, yeah, as it turns out, him, you know, him shit talking his team actually bad for chemistry, and it did kind of hurt the locker room. No, we learned out in it's bin.com feature day that the young guys in the team are used to criticism, so didn't bother them as much as you think.

In that same, I literally fucking hated him after I read that. And I'm playing basketball with them.

feature also said internally the rocket's view read shepherd with Steve Nash upside. You know,

“it's Steve Nash could do early in his career dribble in paths. Like, yeah, like that. And so I, so yeah,”

I mean, I never got that off my chest. I'm glad you did too. And I do think we should have a,

I know I'm getting 1, 100% healthy for this play of series list. Yeah. It could be good. I don't know what number he'd be, but he'd be, I don't think I would have miss high as eight. But he'll, I mean, okay, ladder karma power rankings. Let's go. I first wrote this column in 2007, back with my fingers worked. I had more things on there. The basically the concept is who should win the lottery. And we have four chances. They do the lottery for the first four picks. Yep. The big questions.

I used to have more questions, but for karma, number one is your team overdue to win the lottery. Great. So like Utah has never moved up. That's the team I would say is overdue.

Indiana, I don't think is ever had the first pick. There'll be another one.

Has the team's big picture game plan made any sense? So Sacramento, for instance, paying the luxury tax for one of the worst teams in the week and not having a future, they would count as a not making sense. Like the balls. The balls not making. Well, the balls actually make sense because they're like, we just, we just want to cheap out every year. And our fans are going to pay for checking out. Yeah. I don't know if I was that expensive. He

probably could be a 10 year. It was too pricey. Had to cut that out. So why would that play off moment ago? Sorry, this one's a big one. Did they handle last season with dignity? Oh, that's going to be a top one for you these. Number four, did they ever make you say why can people divorce their spouses, but they can't divorce their teams? If any of these teams that we have made one of their fans say that to another fan, we have to measure that in the karma rankings.

“Then finally, do you honestly believe the karma gods would feel bad for this team? Is our fifth one?”

That doesn't happen all the time. But I think Indiana would be a good case of, oh, man. They were game seven in the finals and their best guy blew out as Achilles. So is that the full list of rules? Because I have a question. Those are just five questions. Kind of thought starters to think about. Is there any factor of, it would be catastrophic for the league if this team won it? It's a good idea. I think I used to have it.

Catastrophic in the oak. So you're talking OKC specific. Yes. Yeah, normally would not apply. So we have that conference. I'll give you the categories because we have that cover. And I'll just keep you my list and you can, you can be my conciliar for the list. Love it.

First category of honor. No karma points whatsoever. So your big goosec,

OKC is our first team. They're in the 12 spot right now. They have a 1.5 chance to win. There's also scenario where OKC gets in the top four in Indiana gets stays in the top four. OK, the clippers and pocalypse, where they would fall up by some sort of ruling the next day. But yeah, OKC's had in the last 20 years, second, second, fourth and third. So they've had some lottery. I give them no karma points at all. They're really good. They're probably going to win the title again.

They don't just have to get a top four pick. The other one I have in there and tell my if I'm right. And I say this with advanced apologies to the Maverick fans who love Luca did not

“want to trade him. They got Cooper flag last year. And I think that was the makeup call for the horrible”

trade. Nico got fired. They just brought him beside you, Harry, things are OK. Kyrie's going to come back. I think they used up all their karma points last year with the flag thing. But I'm willing to accept other arguments. Nope, it's I have no other arguments. But I think I don't think they used up the karma points for the flag thing. I think they had karma points even after winning the flag. So you think they have residue karma points? I think they did. What happened? And then I

think Nico Harris and said, and I quote, I hope people are seeing the vision now. Oh, that's the English. Okay. And then they were like, you got to be kidding. This got. So no, so I'm with they're out. All right. So they have the eight spot. They have a 6.7% chance to win. 45.2 for top four. No karma points for them. By the way, they're going to don't get the seven

small vial of karma points, Charlotte, who's in the 14 spot, 2.4% chance to move up. But they've picked

“con was the third pick, Miller's second in the mellow's third. They don't really need another top”

four pick. They need another top four pick. You do give them credit, though, for the dignity of the season. They were they really put their smart team. And it was the, I mean, a smartly constructed roster. Yes, set me up. Yeah. And also the fact that those guys, if you redrafted, they made smart picks. Yeah, they went three for three. You could argue Halle Burton for the mellow, but nobody would have taken Halle Burton. Nobody would have taken that at the time. That's a, that's a different type of

thing. So yeah, so they made the right pick in those. And so they get a little karma for how well

they've run the team. The last couple years. Yeah. Next one is Miami who's in the 13 spot. They're not going

to win anyway. Um, they haven't picked higher than 10 since 2008. They did get that decision and

“all the stuff for the brun. I think they're still dining on the karma points from that. I had them”

at zero karma points just in general. But bam scoring 83 points on the tanking wizards. I think they won karma points for that. So I'm going to give them a little bit. I was, I was so hoping you were going to go there. Yeah. That is correct. They get points for that. So if they, you'll cop for it, it'll be like, oh, it's because the band made it three. It is because they said, oh, you're going to shamelessly tank. Are you Washington? Yeah. Well, we are, we're going to scarlet letter you. Yeah.

We're, we're going to show you there's a penalty for trying to lose basketball game. And then unapologetic afterwards on apologetic. And the penalty is roughly, and again, this off top my head, the 374th best score in the history of the NBA is going to score 83 points on you. Right. And you're just going to eat it. So I give them a little karma for that. Yeah. Mimpus in the six spot, 9% to win 37.2 for top four. So job was the second pick and triple J was also a top five pick.

They also took Kevin love five and the beat two. From 95 to 2002, they picked six three four, two, two, two, six four. They've had 12 top six picks in the last 30 years. The grizzlies franchise. 12 top six picks in the last 30 years. This is their second tear down slash rebuild in seven eight years. Sorry, Chris Vernon, it's true. Karma points for wasn't their fault. Job flamed out. Everyone wanted to take them second. And I don't know what

they really could what what they really could have done differently. So they get points for that.

They're 105 teams that have never made the finals. And recently, LeBron crapped on their city.

“And I think they get points for all three of those things. Where if they won one of the top four picks,”

I don't think people would be that upset. So I'm going to give them a little vial. Can I get them a little extra? Yeah. Okay. We can move them in the next category if you want. I would like to wrap for Memphis for them. Let's hear it. So my sister-in-law lives in Memphis. I go there a lot. LeBron's comments really, really like hurt the feelings of folks in that city in a way that I thought was a little too much, but it really bothered them.

There is a very, yes, it is a very tough city, but it is a prideful city. And they did everything they could to really support and love the job Grizzlies and through no fault of the, in my opinion, the organization and certainly the fans just screwed the whole thing up. And so you know, we'll move them higher. Okay. You're selling me. Yeah. I would like Memphis to have another shot at this. And so yeah, I would like to. All right, one of us. So we'll revisit a

little bit later. So that list was just Charlotte and Miami. You know, the thing about the LeBron comments, it was like the, it was almost like a sucker punch. It was like somebody punched them from behind as they're just walking down the street and they just woke up the next day. Like, what happened? LeBron punched you in the back of the head. But what? Why did he do that? Like, there is no warning at all. And listen, as it turns out, because I then, you know, what followed

that story probably closer than most, man, NBA guys really do hate that hotel. That's it. And it all comes down to the hotel. That's all that matters. Just fill the whole story, mandarin and you're good. It's just the hotel. That's it. But LeBron, go off and he was trying to make people laugh. He shouldn't just really focus is, is critique on

because I think LeBron's what in his issues over the years. Like, I don't feel like we see the

real LeBron and some of this stuff. Like, authentic LeBron that I'm sure he's actually like

“versus what's presented to us. And I thought that golf video, it's just, I think that's what he's”

like. So I was like, this is, I wish he did more of this. But then he ended up, you know, he's gonna try to really feel terrible for a week. All right. Next category is soup cup of karma points. So Milwaukee is in the 10 spot, 3.0% top 4 would be 13.9. Ironically, they get the worst of their pick or Atlanta's pick or the pelicans pick that goes to Atlanta. Yes. So I don't even know how to do the karma points here because if they go in the top 4, Atlanta takes to pick anyway.

I give them a little though. They need, I do it, both of them to go in. Yeah, I need to go in. So they need both, so they, so they need a lot of help. Here's, yeah, I'm fine with them not having a ton. Yeah. And here's why. Let's say, go. Everyone in the media has landed on G's, Janice, enough already asked for a trade, move on.

“All the pressures on Janice, when everyone I think acknowledges, yes, it's best for Janice to move on.”

It's also best for Milwaukee to move on from Janice. It's best for both parties. And there is, it, so there should be just as much if not more pressure on the party that actually has to execute the trade to be like, you know what, Janice, we're going to move on from you. But they don't want to be a bad guy and everyone's like, well, of course, you don't want to trade. Janice, they're them demanding it. And Janice is like, well, I don't want to be a bad guy either. So I just think

pardon me, the organization hasn't been great. Also Jimmy Haslam bought into the team. He's karma's not coming his way anytime soon. So yeah, they don't need any extra time. How about the Jimmy here? So we could move them back then. That's fine. Yeah, put them where you had Memphis. Yeah, the, the Janice Milwaukee thing was like the benevolent version of the Justin Bauddoni,

Blake Lavley lawsuit that finally got settled. Neither one wanted to admit that they were the

one that wanted to settle it, which is basically where we were with the bucks. Okay, next one is Sacramento. I was very curious where you were going to have fifth spot, limb point five percent. They had the fourth pick in 22 Murray. They had second and 18 Marvin Bagley, one pick ahead of Luca Luca. And then a lot of he said, Luca's a big market guy can't do it. Sacramento is the big in the market. Can't take him got to take a more loyal worse player.

“The crazy is takes. I was like, how could Sacramento fits for worse about this?”

How about this podcast interview from eight years later? Then Fox was a top-by-pick. So from 2018, they picked four, five, seven, five, seven, eight, six, eight, five, two. And I'm just tired of this team and this franchise. But the karma points. And this is why they're in the soup cup. Their fans, this 20-year run for them. Just for the fans only, there has to be like a significant

amount of karma points. Like this is 20 years of just ugh. They've never had the number one pick,

right? Never had it. Oh, and no, they had it once, never nervous purpose. Oh, okay. So yeah, right, that was late 80s. 89. So they haven't had the number one pick in 35 years. They've certainly been bad enough to get it. There's six teams that haven't had the pick. Denver, Miami, Utah, the Hornets, the Lakers, and the Pacers. The Lakers not having ever had the number one pick and having had nine number one picks on the team and their history is just bananas. Right.

Um, yeah, I'm fine with that for Sacramento. Okay. Now for a special part of today's episode where we unpack a six pack or rather six of the biggest things happening on and off the court through in playoff season brought to you by Michael O'Baltre, the official beer partner of the NBA and a superior. Lipe here. I had a couple of them last weekend and it really is a pair. Let's get started. Here's my six pack six possible trade candidate fall guys for round two as round two evolves

here over the next two weeks. Who not only might take some of the blame for a playoff loss, but also it would open the door for them to potentially be trade bait to improve the team. I'm going to rank from one to six for the six pack. Number one, Jared Allen on Cleveland because

mobile and Jared Allen as their quote unquote big. Maybe you could trade one of them to either change the change the team. Get somebody like Janice if you put mobile on the table or just

“trade Jared Allen for somebody who's a little bit cheaper. But I think Cleveland would have to”

decide between those two guys because over and over again, they would have been the same story with them. That's one. Number two, Deer and Fox, which Nick Wright and Ty talked about on the Tuesday pod. If he just cannot rise to the challenge against a timber wolf scene that has zombie by Conley and I had a soon move who's battling injury if he can't figure out a way to really impact that. He would be a potential guy, maybe they turn him into a shooter or somebody with more

size. Number three, Nas Reed. I don't know if anybody on the nobody believes in us, timber wolves would even be in the trade block. But this would be the one guy you would maybe think about because for what he's making and doesn't play a ton of minutes and you have go bear and you have Randall and maybe you could flip him into more guard help or something else. But

“I'm not even sure. I really believe in this one. Number four, Evan Mobile for all the same reasons”

I mentioned with the calves. Number five, Carl Towns on the New York, Nick or Bakker is just because if they somehow blow this six or series, I assume there will be a fall guy in the necks and Yannis trade rumours and he's the logical person that would be in a trade. I actually liked the way he's playing in the playoffs but I had to mention him. And then number six, I have Isaiah Stewart on the Pistons who reasonable salary he's making like 15, Relicated Advanced Stats could probably

be the starting center for somebody and maybe you see his usage gets yanked around, undetroit with Durin sometimes they get small or maybe that's a piece they would want to

put in a trade to get the much-needed second score they have. So Cape Cunningham does that to shoot 35 times.

“Honorable mentioned Austin Reeves as a sign and trade, sat to throw him out there in case the”

lakeers decide maybe we do want to keep LeBron. Anyway, that's it for today's six pack. So now you can go grab your own six pack of McLobocho, plus McLobocho has given you a chance to win exclusive prizes, including court side tickets and more. And then out, McLobocho dot com slash court side, McLobocho, Superior is worth playing for. McLobocho, court side 25, 26, no purchase necessary open U.S. residence 21 plus begins on October 1st,

2025 ends on June 30, 2026. Multiple entry periods see official rules of McLobocho dot com slash court side for free entry entry deadlines and prizes and details. Next one is Brooklyn. I didn't

really know where to put Brooklyn. 14% they're in the third spot. Top 452.1, they've only had

one top three pick, really in the last 20 years, Derek favors number three. Karma points for building the 2024 Celtics inadvertently. Karma points for really trying to make a legitimate run with cap space and KD and Kyrie. They trade everything for hard and and they get hose. I'm going to give them the merits for I just think they're incredibly poorly run. I don't understand just about anything they do. And so I kind of put them here. I'm willing to be talked to as a man. Sean marks

he just needs a 13th or 14th year and he'll nail it. What this could be the year. He might have figured it out for us. So I agree with you in that I do want to give credit for the fact that Brooklyn twice in the last 15 years has been like we are going. Yeah, we're going all in. We want to win the time. We're brazenly going after this. So I want to give them credit for that. I want to give them

non-credit for the fact that they had five first round picks last year and I don't know who any

of them are. I live I want to. You're not going to know them. Try every guy. I want to give them non-credit for the fact that the first year that they had Kyrie, Katie and Harden. Yeah. I got pretty good season tickets to the to the nets and midway through the year. They were a good team and midway through the year. My wife said to me, next year, do you think it'd be better if we just spent the money on 10 good next games? I was like really. How long? It could say five, five good

things. And it was and it's not like she's a huge fan of anyone on the next anything like that. And she was like it just feels so much more fun there. Like here, nobody's really

get worse. The liberty games are fucking awesome. They're the exact same arena. It's same arena.

“My daughter and I went to when the liberty game for the title. Yeah. It's electric. So that does”

work against them. It would though they do have to get a superstar to have any chance of getting any type of attention there. So yeah, a little bit. I mean, they've gone for it. I just don't. I don't think it's going to keep them in this category. Yeah. We'd all be better off if they just moved to Seattle and we didn't have expansion. Next category is a salad bowl of karma points. You might you might disagree with this. I've golden state here, 2.0% 11 spot, top four, 9.4%

they did have wisemen as the second pick six years ago and coming in at number seven,

those are their last two really good picks last 15 years. This is just about that this is where you can get mad. Yeah. I don't want to see Steph just be on shit teams for the next few years of his career. I'm not going to get mad. I totally agree with that. Let's get him more good guy. So I'm I'm Steph. So I don't know what the category is bigger than salad bowl. There's two more categories. There's okay. Oh, no. This is the second or last category.

Okay. Steph individually, his karma deserves the biggest. What works against him and brings it to this just second tier is the team. No. The team being so smug in that we've got one of the 12 greatest players of all time. He's still awesome. Let's try to win while also preparing for

“time. Steph's life. It was the same shit I'll never forget, never the calves in 2018.”

When Kyrie wanted out and they could have had Paul George and the owner, Dan Gilbert was like, well, no, we need a post-labron life. And so we need a pick that turned into Colin Sexton and they got little Isaiah Thomas to that trade they did with Paul. That was that was your guy, though, the broad. What do you mean? Because he was going to leave after the year and then like, we'll do the trade if we know you're staying and he would come in. I understand. And

guess what, whether he was leaving or not, you know what you should try to do when you have Pete Lebron James win the title that year. Instead, they were like, no, we have to be okay after what? Wait, it won more year and then gone into Lakers in 2019. That he could have done all here right now. He's been like, I'll sign a one-year extension if you do this trade.

Yeah, he could have done all those things or the calves could have just made the better. First of all,

it would have been the better trade. Second of all, planning for a post of a future post, you're all time legendary players done. So I hated what the Warriors did with Curtin to Curtin. Like this, I'm not maximizing those young players for win now guys. So he deserves extra karma. Okay. The organization deserves less to leave it where it is. Also, a little tiny douse of negative karma for drama on having the audacity to be like, yeah, you know, Steve Curre

held me back. What? What? Are you? Are you? Now, that's also true that he only did that to get talk show segments out of it. Well, he got it. He got it. He got it. He got there's content all over the place. Yeah, we're their favorite Austin rivers and drama. They might be meeting in Temecula soon. There they're going after it, but it was, but so go ahead. So you're fine. All right. All right. Next one, Chicago. Top four for them is 20.3%. They're in the nine spots.

So 4.5 to win it. They've picked fourth and 2020. They had a stretch from 99 to 08. 1, 4, 4, 2, 7, 3, 2, 9, 1. They've been the cheapest big market team in any sport. If you think the three biggest markets are New York Chicago and Los Angeles. Yes. They've been the cheapest of anybody other than the Sterling Clippers. It's been 28 years since Michael Jordan retired. Their fans deserve better. And all of those

“are reasons they should have karma points. Conversely, do the RyanStores deserve?”

It's not for a big win. When do we put this? This is way too high for sure.

But can you blame the fans though? So you would put them where Sacramento is basically?

Yeah. All right. I'll move back. I don't, I don't blame the fans, but it listen, bulls fans. They're also bears fans. You just got Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson. You got, you got hockey team. You got two base teams. That's their attitude. They've just moved to the clubs and they've moved to the bears and the bulls. They just assume we're going to go 42 and 40 every year and that's the NBA team that. Yeah. And so the RyanStores. I moved the back.

All right. So we have Golden State moved Memphis into this category. You top. Thank you for that. Fourth spot. Utah, 11.5% top four, 45.2. Last 15 years. They picked fifth last year,

And they bastardized the sport to the point that they finally had to actually change the

“ladder rules into this three to one thing. I think they got karma points for that. They're the”

catalyst. Why? Yeah. They're the catalyst for changing the lottery in a good way. It took us before the October break to do it. This is a little bit of you love Danny Ainge and want good things for them. I mean, they're deserted us and took our best assistant. All right. So maybe they, I mean, here is why they, the fans of the jazz deserve due deserve good lottery luck. The fact that the team that quite literally for all of NBA past, present and future is going to

have the hardest time signing for the agents in perpetuity has never moved up in the lottery

seems like a sick joke. Although something's like, well, it's red hot right now. You know, I, I, I believe it. I, I get an baseball team. It's really cool to go there. I believe, you know, there are reality shows Wyoming is sick is super hot right now, too. You know, where, you know, what demographic, it's not super hot. I'm up around NBA players NBA free agents 27 year old NBA super stars, not very often being like, hey, guess where I just got a spread Salt Lake. Yeah. So

they need some luck there. Okay. All right. So keep as is. So Golden State Memphis Utah in this category, Abbott Lanna via the New Orleans pick. So they had a good season. They did win the lottery two years ago. So they lose points for that. Top four 29.3% chance to move up 6.8 for the seven spots. And the case for them for karma points. They built a really fun team. They did a good job

“for the most part. They have fun nucleus. It would be fun if they got one of these guys. And I think”

this is around the right area for them. So when you first told me we were doing this, my gut was I was going to say Atlanta should be number one. Oh, well, let me give you the other two teams then. But I'm going to, but I know, I think you have it right. I know because my gut was, it was such a savvy trade with Joe Doomers and New Orleans just to get this pick. Then having the guts to finally move off tray young. The fact that they, you know, CJ had this

moment, all that work for them. And then what kept sticking in my head was, yeah, but they took Zachary Risa Shay number one overall. So they probably third is a good spot. So we have two teams left, two karma teams. Two karma teams. One is in the same category. The Washington Wizards. All right. First spot. Joe House. Lim point five percent to win. No, that's not right. They're in the first spot. 14% chance to win. Yes. 52.1 for top four. They picked

start two years ago. Number two, they got the six pick last year with Johnson. They've had 12 top six picks in the last 35 years since they made the 1979 finals. They have five playoff series wins in 47 years. They've never made the conference finals. And their fans are in about as dark and a place as it gets. And they're probably upset that they couldn't even win this.

So I have them second. And Anthony Davis is talking as if he's never going to play a game for.

Yeah, he's like, he's unreaded in every NBA city. Look at that passes. They have a period. They're in a better place in Portland. So figuring out where he's going to be, um, they're also about to have the trade young experience, which I don't think is enjoyable.

“Can I tell you something about trade young? I think we've all blocked it out of our mind.”

I was just looking to separate them with the other deck because I was looking at Yana stuff. The Hawks went to games in the 2021 conference finals. Yeah, that that series was for the two. Now, yeah, but if you go back and look at the box scores, they look like two eight seeds compared to now. It was, but it was two, Yana's got hurt in game four. Yeah. So it was, it was two two

with Yana's out for the rest of the series. Atlanta, it was going to be, you know, Chris Paul was going to be a champion. It's what was going to happen. Right. Atlanta wins that series. Um, yeah, it was two, two in the conference finals. It's remarkable. I think that 2021 seasons 50 years from now, people are going to be a basketball

probably remember 20 is probably the final title for the greatest player of all time, but see

“they're here and we're there. Um, Atlanta, what's working against Atlanta is, or I'm sorry,”

which weren't working against Washington, pardon me. The, um, the shameless that's the embarrassed kind of being scar that led by BAM. I mean, they have, well, they have just been, but their fans don't deserve, it's not on their fans. All right, I'm fine with them being there. There, there, there, there. You put our Lano over them? Yes. Okay. I would put a Lano in the second spot. Okay. And I love who you have number one. Yeah. So this is the last category, a swimming pool of

karma points Indiana 14% there in the two spot, top 452.1 an amazing wrinkle where they only

keep the pick if it's top four. They could drop to five or six. Otherwise it goes to the Quippers. Little similar to, I don't know if you watched Survivor, but Devons flipping the coin to basically try to stay in the game. It's kind of what they did with that pick. They flip the coin and if it comes up heads their way and they get a top four pick and they get zoo bots and they get Tyre's halbernt coming back. Yeah. Like they're, they're probably going to be like the number two favorite in the

East. Well, yeah. And they, if there is ever an acceptable reason to throw a season away, it was them.

It's like, hey, we, we made a finals the year before that. They made the conference finals the

year before they made the finals. We made the finals in our best guy wrist everything to playing game seven. Take a chance and the worst possible outcome happened and ruined our next season ruined our next season. And so we snap re calibrated. We're not, we didn't tear it down. We just took a gap year. Yeah. And we also also didn't they, they had their pick only because of a trade. They made during the finals during the finals to get their pick back. So they, they had, they did that with

like a little maybe a little premonition of what was to come. That came across conspiracy bills desk last summer. What did it make that trade during the finals? Was it like halbernt protection, like getting protection in blackjack or something? It's crazy how it happened. It was days before the guy gets hurt. Yeah. Um, they're well-run. They have a plan. And it, it is, it's not quite the O3 lottery where Jerry West is sitting there. I either get LeBron James or

the all time. So all the time, either or. Now we know LeBron would have been out of there and no seven. Maybe they, no, can I tell you something? Not only with LeBron not have been out of there, they would have a 30 foot, a 30 story, seven star hotel with what that's downtown would have been in LeBron was there. Um, the, the Memphis montage. It's indiana being like, all right, they're going to be watching the lottery just knowing if three teams move up. Yeah. If they come

“like five or six, it's over. And then if you're, so the best thing that I'm going for them is the”

Quippers would benefit from this, which would, I don't know if the league would be doing backflips that the Quippers got the thick in the draft. So, and then could, let's say a ruling came down they decided the Quippers did all this stuff. Could they then just say you don't get the fifth tech that's going to be part of the penalty? I don't know. But so I think Indiana, Indiana, I don't, they don't have to get the number one pick, but they've got to stay in the top four. So I like them.

I like them being number one on this. All right. So I'll recap, note from no karma points to a swimming pool of karma points. Yeah. Okay. See Dallas, Charlotte Miami, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Chicago, Brooklyn, Golden State Memphis, Utah, Washington, Atlanta, Indiana, having the most karma points. That's a good list. It's a good list. Congratulations, Indiana. Yeah, congratulations, Indiana. Good luck at Atlanta. Memphis, I hope this made Chris Varnan

everyone happy that there is, you know, somebody wrapping four Memphis. What does conspiracy Nick think would be the fishiest outcome? Last year, we hit the fishiest outcome when Cooper

“Flag went to the Dallas Mavericks. I think it's Golden State getting a top four pick.”

Would be the one that I think we go. Oh, yeah. If I was running the lead, that's what I would have

Yeah. There's no doubt about that. Like them just getting to Banta,

“the who could play right away for them? What about what about this one? And I don't know”

again. I don't know if they would do it, but maybe they would. What about Brooklyn getting a top four pick and using that? That's a trade for Yannis, like that is, well, he has a thing with Brooklyn. They're in their pick next year because he used to can swap it. Oh, yeah. It's part of that weird deal they made. So, they actually have to be good next year. So, yeah, Brooklyn, be another one. I'm not sure they're anxious to help up Brooklyn. No, that's probably true. Dallas can be the other one.

It's like, hey, you owe us for the rest of the look at trade. We know, we know you promised

“us one lottery, but it was actually two. Two batteries to send look at a less dangerous. Just so,”

you know, I just clicked Sim Lottery on Tankathon and the result was Milwaukee moved up to one. So, that goes to Atlanta. Wow. And the Clippers moved up to two and that goes to OKC. That would not be great. That's in the wall. In the one that I just did. Oh, my, Milwaukee to it, the goes to Atlanta's one, the Clippers, which goes to OKC at two, Washington three, Utah four, poor Indiana drops to five, and it goes to the Clippers.

Oh, damn. Gambit of emotions for the Clippers. Gambit of emotion. OKC moving into the top four of this lottery would enraged people. I, it would be a catastrophe. I was on the air when Cleveland won the 2014 lottery.

“And I kind of melted down for like a minute. I remember. I remember. I was like, he had to be kidding me.”

This is the third time in four years that they won the lottery. Um, real quick.

Is it weird to you that it's on a Sunday? Yeah. I hate it. I hate it. It's supposed to be Tuesday night or Wednesday night. Right. Well, they're going to have so it's a 12 30 game lottery after the or 12 30 Pacific 330 Eastern game lottery. And then the next game. And I don't like that at all. I don't like it. I liked when it was the middle of the week and we could get constant out of it. But yeah. All right, Nick, great. It took enough for your time. This was a true pleasure. Thanks for doing the karma

ranking. Thanks for talking basketball with me. It was great to see you as always. Oh, you know what,

you as well. I'll tell Kevin Wilde how about this. All tell Kevin Wilde, you say hello. And you tell Joe Howell. So I've never met, but in my head, we're friends. I say hello. All right. We'll do that. Great to see you. Thank you. Yeah. Bye. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Nick Wright. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. Don't forget about the new rewatchables. We put up. There's something about Mary. Don't forget about

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