The Giannis Never-Trade and a Mega-Mailbag With Zach Lowe, Plus Wyndham Clark’s Second U.S. Open Title With Joe House

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Bill Simmons Podcasts, we are live on Netflix. We had Zach Low and something happened and he just disappeared, like two minutes before we were in live. But that's fine. I can carry the very top here because I want to tell you we have a new rewatchable as we

have two coming this week.

We have from help month still going really strong. We have domestic disturbance coming on Monday and then the good son is going to be Thursday and then the next Monday, remember doing pacific height. So three more from help movies, then we'll get into a more regular schedule after that. Check out all of our ringer basketball podcast, by the way, because we have the draft

on Tuesday night, I'm going live on Netflix. Hopefully, Zach's laptop will be working. It's a computer and camera will be working at some point. He will have a show.

“I think on Monday, we're going to have on my show on Tuesday on Netflix.”

It's going to be Joe House because this team has the number of pick and that's the rule of how says the number of pick. We're good. And then J. Kyle Man will be joining us as well. And now Zach Low, I think, is this work in Zach?

How are we feeling? Are we live on my back? We're live. I just did my intro. Let's go.

Oh my god. Okay. My computer just died. It came back to life. I don't know what happened.

I was going to happen. But I just popped into Netflix. Just like that. I'm live. You did.

I thought the books are the Miami heat or Miami heat media members, but it's sabotaged your feed. Here we go. We have the honest trade hostage crisis, what day 305, day 307, I don't know how long this has been going.

We were kind of hoping it would happen this weekend.

“I think it's going to happen tomorrow, sadly, not good for our podcast.”

Maybe not good for you with whatever week you had planned up. But I think it's going to happen tomorrow. And I just said discounting 95% of everything I'm reading. So at the very top of this podcast, we're talking on us quick. We'll talk our just knowing enough enough about the draft to be dangerous takes.

And then I have a mega mail bag that I'm going to bring you into. And then at the tail end, Joe House is going to tell us what happened in the US open. So the honest trader, you surprised that has not happened yet. Are you tired of talking about it? Where are you?

I'm not surprised that hasn't happened yet. I totally understand both why I'm Milwaukee wants to take this as far as possible. And why other teams are perhaps a little frustrated with Milwaukee's communication style. I understand all of it. I understand every party involved.

I kind of thought it would be done by now. They clearly want to do it before the draft. Their owner Jimmy Haslam came out and said we'd like to do it before the draft. If he's not going to extend, I thought it would happen before now. I still would lean to it happening before the draft like you.

I'm not first should have built like I just, it's just got a roll off your back.

There's nothing you can do. Am I going to a World Cup game on Tuesday?

“Am I tentatively throwing out the first pitch at city field tomorrow?”

Well, they're permitting whether forbidding like all those things are happening. It's just nothing I can do. I can't control these variables. I just got a roll with it. It's got a roll that peace, peace surrounding you now, surrounding you now.

It's all I can do. Is this the highlight of the met season? You throwing up the first pitch? I can't think of any other highlights. I mean, the state of the hit, the state of the rotation is such that you would not be the

first one of my friends to joke that hey, if I look good, they might have to throw me out there for a few innings. Just eat some, eat some innings for them. Oh, you could be like crap like the Eddie Harris and Major League, the crafting over 40 junk junk pitch.

Throwing junk. So with the honest, yeah, my feeling has not changed for a week. I think they know what my aim is offer is. It can only be so far. They're not putting bam in it, so at that point it's pretty easy to figure out everything

that's in it and they're just waiting on Boston to see if Boston is going to top the offer or maybe they're trying to get them to add stuff to the offer that are to happen.

And as we talked about last week, I'm still conflicted about that.

I don't feel great about the honest trade, but there's been some stuff floating around the last week that I don't want to discount, but I just don't believe. Like I think Hero, if it ends up being Miami, I think Hero is appealing to Milwaukee. He's from Wisconsin. I think that would be a piece they want.

I don't, once we start getting into a three team or four team or stuff, I just become a little more suspicious. And the other piece is, I think Kuzmo is the Jonas Tax for this trade for whoever gets him. And I haven't seen that really anywhere in a real way.

But for Miami, it would have to be Wiggins being in the trade and then Kuzmo going back to Miami. He's an inspiring deal. I think they just want to move off him. And then for the Celtics, I think that might be a piece of this.

Like if it is going to be Jonas and Jalen as the principles, the Celtics have this trade

“exception, and I think the Jonas Tax would be, well, you have to also take Kuzmo.”

So I wonder if that's a piece of this. Have you heard anything about that? It's a great call. I have not dug so deep as to get into the Kuzmo sediment layer of this. But it makes a lot of sense, particularly for Miami, because I think they would like to

end up with Wiggins and Powell, who's an unrestricted to fridge, and on this theoretical bam, Jonas seemed both of them, not just one of them, because they're going to be scrambling to fill out the team. They have lost Rose-Year as a salary matching tool, which makes it even more difficult to do that.

And it's doable keeping both of them if it's just Jonas, if it's Jonas plus a tiny salary. But if it's Jonas plus another 20 million or whatever Kuzmo is making, it becomes very, very hard. And then you get into the concerns that I think are very real for Miami is like, if we

do this, and all our first round picks are out the door. And Yakuachunus is out the door, and all your young guys are out the door. What is it going to amount to? You could argue like what is the present state of the team going to amount to, but at least you have some optionality down the line for whoever the next star that becomes available

is.

But like, you know, there's Miami as seen A, you never know who it's going to be, and B, you

may not get 'em. Like, you didn't get Damien Lou, you haven't got Kevin Durand, you may not get Yannis now. Right. And then on top of it, you're getting a guy that hasn't made even the conference final

in five years who has had trouble staying healthy, who's 31, 32 years old, and you're banking that he's going to completely change your playoff destiny. So the more you put in the trade, the less likely that goes. But like, if Wiggins and Kuzma have to be the extra piece for a Miami trade, and now you don't have hero where Hakez and Wiggins, you're just roofing all of those guys out.

“And you're basically just, you have to, you know, bring back Norm Powell, you have Yannis,”

you have BAM, and then you're just kind of doing the Miami zombie thing, trying to revive careers all over the place. You're probably still in a better spot than you were at 43 and 39, losing a play and game. But I also don't think you're a title contender. So we'll see.

Boston's a little different, because I think they could talk themselves into this Tatum J-Lint thing might have reached the end. J-Lint got a taste of being the guy. And now we're resetting the team, we're going to be more inside outside, and hopefully we can ride Yannis for three years here.

I understand it. I don't agree with it. So how much, if you are Brad Stevens, how much extra are you going to put in? Because you know they're just, they're asking for Derek White, I'm just making this up to be clear.

But just like Derek White plus two first round picks, what about J-Lint Brown plus two

“picks in a swap, like what's your threshold of paying?”

I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that at all. You're just going to play one for one, and we're done. That's it. I'm not taking Yannis, but also getting rid of Derek White, like part of the reason to get Yannis would be that you still have Derek White, and he's like the perfect guy to play

with Yannis. Agreed. If he makes it, I would suck it up with Kuzma, and if it's like Yannis plus the Kuzma trade exception thing for J-Lint, I think that's a pretty fair trade. J-Lint was one of the, you know, the eight or nine best scores in the league last year,

and he's not even 30 years old yet. And then if you're Milwaukee, with the way the new lottery rolls are, you're more competitive than you were, and you still have a chance to flip J-Lint. I still, I'm still rooting for the snare with the Celtics, so if they've decided that they actually have to move J-Lint, I think there's other teams that I would rather

look at than Yannis, like, if the Quippers number five was on the table, if New Orleans with Murphy and Herb Jones and, you know, patching together a bunch of contracts and try to reset and have more flexibility, I would still prefer that over the Yannis. It's, it's not a Hail Mary, but it's a little bit of a Hail Mary.

going for the title, or the, the trying to win this coming season, right?

So are you getting quite in the number five pick that seems like too much for the Clippers that we're doing.

“Like, what's coming with, I think it's Collins Collins in the five, and maybe one more”

thing. Collins is a free agent, isn't it? Is Collins, but can't you team option him and keep him so you can trade them? I think he's unrestricted. He's unrestricted?

He's unrestricted. He's unrestricted. Yeah. All right. Well, he's out, but the Quippers have a ton of cap space, though, so I guess, I mean, that would

be part of the deal, right? You could just, you could do J-Lint in the five as the principles, because the Quippers really only have Quyen Garland as their big contracts. I just think the Clippers look, again, I can't sit here and claim that, oh, yeah, I've been on the phone with everybody with the Clippers, and they're telling me exactly what their plans

are. Anyone sort of prop posture and like that is lying to you, but I just think this, this pick from Indiana is such a gift from the basketball and the lottery gods, as such a rare opportunity for a franchise that has not had any after-the-shape, Kawaii Paul George trade to not quite reset, but to at least get a blue chip young guy in the door.

At least I have a shot at like this guy could be on our team for 12 years and be really good. I just don't see them passing it up for like, hey, if we get J-Lint Brown and J-Lint plus Kawaii plus Garland, I'm like, we might be able to throw a couple punches at dispersing the thunder and everyone else in the five.

Just don't see them doing that. That's just my gut, though. That's not reporting. That's just my gut. I think you might be right.

I was thinking of the BogdanaVageContract.com, because Collins has the team, BogdanaVage is a team option for like 16. But that clippers are still wander the cap and could do stuff, but New Orleans would be the other one. I don't know what to make of Atlanta anymore.

I got thought it was interesting today, they extended McCallum for one year for 21, which I thought was really smart, they had the 8th pick. The weirdest part of this draft is the 5th and 6 picks are both point guard picks and yet the teams that have those picks have point guards, which is one of the many things that make this complicated.

If I had to bet, I still think Bouser goes to Utah, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. But I still feel like I'm leaning Bouser versus rolling the dice with Peterson. Peterson goes three, Wilson goes four.

“I think the clippers that they stay at five have to take Wadler, I think McCallum”

Brown goes six, 8/7 in the Sacramento, and then Atlanta is the first one that I'm really

on the edge of my seat for. I don't know what to make of them. And it would seem like Fleming makes a lot of sense, they could go nuts and take a center. If I were them I would take Brandon Burris, I just think that I just think he's the best

player that's available at number eight, but what do you feel like Atlanta is the pivot team? Why would the clippers not take Burris, is that too much of a reach at five? If I were them, I would take Burris at five, but I don't feel like I feel like in the rankings. He's probably a couple spots behind those other guys. I think he's pretty consensus at nine.

Now they might not care and have their own rankings, but I think for him he's a much better bet. I love Burris. I think he's a guaranteed really good pro. The Hawks have eight and 23, and a ball handler makes a lot of sense for them because

you saw once they kind of cobbled together a functional offense of screens and cuts in motion, then as soon as they got McCollum, it was like, oh, a real high level skilled ball handler changes the complete changes that dynamics of the scene completely. They're really hard to guard, it's really hard to hide any bad defenders against them. They need a ball handler like Jill and Johnson, not quite an important ball handler, and

to kill at the end of Walker same deal. So it make a lot of sense for them to take a swing at one of those guys with that pick.

It's also like an interesting first trade chip to like, are they going to couple things

“together and try to get treatment for the third or somebody like that?”

I don't know, but I agree there in a very interesting spot. I have a follow up. Well, by the way, in the Hawks at 23, you've all these, I think guards that have a chance to be really good. I just feel like one of them is going to fall, and you might be able to get a quarry.

The point guard is like six one, he's a little Campbell Walker, a Christian Anderson could be around there. You just might be able to get one of those guys at 23 and get a blue, you get buries at eight. There's like one version of him in the draft, like it just an old school, two way, two guard.

And then hope you get lucky with a point guard later. I have a Celtic question for you. Yeah. But you mentioned, has the Tatum Brown thing run its course. The other side of that coin is the Celtics have been extremely quiet and extremely careful

about this Holy Honest thing. It's all been sources say, the Celtics are interested in Yana sources say there have been talks, whatever. The unique that says specifically, Jalen Brown has been offered for Yana says, not really

Everyone making the very logical, no other way to do it deduction. And then there was a brief like, well, could they do it without including Jalen Brown,

“which I didn't buy it for a second, I think there's any way to do it.”

But my point is the Celtics have been, I think, very careful because they know having done this dance a little bit with the rant and Brooklyn that there's collateral damage to a guy who thinks he's been offered.

They can probably plausibly go to him now and be like, hey, man, like it was never out there

that we explicitly offered you, like, just ignore all that stuff. Do you think that is too far gone, like, that collateral, are you worried about that kind of collateral damage if this doesn't happen and how does he, how does Jalen Brown feel about it? Is there still a path forward?

I mean, I said a week and a half ago, I know they made it offer and they're definitely involved in this and they're definitely the other team, like there's no question. The bigger question to be is how much does Jalen Brown even care? Like, my fear with all of this and maybe this is part of the reason they're thinking about

not blowing it up or changing whatever they're doing is that he got a legitimate taste

at being the guy last year and having his own team and that's a real thing and that's something that has subruned a lot of M.A. teams over the course of history and has something that's subruned other facets of life. Like, I jokingly was talking about the wire when Avon went to jail and Stringer Bell took over the business and was kind of the guy running and then Avon came back and that's the

TV fictionalized version of it. But when you have a taste and it's your team and you're the guy, it's pretty tough to just be like, okay, here you go, I kept it warm for you and I think what's different than a couple years ago is that, you know, if Jalen had his own team, I don't think he's shedding tears over that. As I think he's since the season ended, he's just done a lot of like small

things that make you go, huh, that was like two to 90s, song lyrics in a row, all the small things, I guess that's post 90s and things that make you go, well, just the same match together, nicely done. There's some twitch stream. I don't think the twitch, this was the best season in my career. I don't like, Tatum hasn't come on the twitch. It's like all these little tiny things where I still don't have a lot of hardcore evidence that

these guys are fired up to play basketball with each other for the next 10 years. I would

“rather work that and they stayed together because I think that's the worst thing you”

could have in sports. I just am dubious that it will. But you've done not to derailed a male bag. I'm sorry, but you've done a very smart thing, which is this is there's so much Yannis Mania that this is being framed as Yannis or bust and it doesn't have to be. You can canvas to league for Jalen Brown trades. However, I will say just scanning and I remember doing this at the time, finding the one if this is your priority and I think

it should be that keeps you at or near the top of the East with a reasonable championship equity next season is not like the Clippers one that you propose does not do that in my opinion. It's a huge step back for the team. I remember landing in places like Houston that have a lot of stuff and picks that they can throw in. I'm struggling to remember sort of who else fits the bill is like here's the Pelicans or the other one. That's why you have

Murphy and Jones and all that. There just aren't that many who can throw back here. Here's some stuff that is different than Jalen Brown, but keeps you out in a 58 to 61 pace,

“which is what they've been in. Well, the only thing with that Clippers one is you're resetting”

your salary and like a pretty crazy way because with the Clippers able to take on his money

and you basically take that foot back, plus you have the trade exception. You now you really

have flexibility to do a bunch of different. Like what about like I remember thinking about like like, and I don't think either do I don't think Cleveland would do this, but like a Jalen Brown from boldly. Like that would be the kind of thing that I'm talking about where it's like here's another pathway that's not Janice, but satisfies the makes us just as good now as we are. And it's it's just hard to find. Those deals are really hard to make.

We have a fake trade in the mail bag. Oh, good. Another one for this. But yeah, I mean, he's making the high 50s. So any trade unless you're getting a draft pick back in a bunch of flexibility, you're looking at another guy who's in that range and a team that's probably staring at the same way. I guess the bigger thing for me is with the with the I think the next have at least a two year run here where they're going to be really hard to beat because

of the team name assembled all the guys at the right points to their career and there's a real selflessness with this. Like that the model for them would be what happened with the 70s through 73 next where they won two titles were able to stay together or even like the 08 to 2012 Celtics. So you kind of know that's the team that's a bar you have to be. That's

get one, but are in the deep in the competition for a half decade and probably should have gotten another one in there somewhere. Yeah, I have a really special guy, which that piston seemed to not have that piston team was a totality. Brunson is unlike anything that pistons team is dismissed the next repeat chance at your peril. That's all. This is a really really good team and if they're they're pretty they're smart. They know how to play. They're

an incredible problem solvers. Something magical happened to them in this playoff run

“that it like maybe it's completely sustained maybe it doesn't. But like I think they're”

going to be a force for the as long as they can keep discord together. Yeah, and Brad his press conference was so telling right after the draft for the so things where he was clearly like really and really publicly and happy for the first time in a while. Not just that they lost to a team, I think he thought they're better than, but that he just didn't know if the style worked anymore. And even if you go back, we have a great meal back

question coming up about that over for Celtics team. That team was still able to play more inside outside than the team last year. That team last year ultimately was just three

and jump shots and pretty weirdly pictured as the only inside outside guys. So I think I'm prepared

for anything with them. I don't know what's going to happen. And I still feel like I still feel like it's going to be honest. And then I'm going to have to spend the summer talking myself into

“it. Honestly, that is a really appealing part of it for me. I just want to witness”

you coming to grips with it and then going all the other way of like why this would be the perfect fit. The onus. I've loved you onus all the time. Well, shape is career. He sees totally rested. I talked myself into it. And it's the same thing like I said last month about if Miami gets home, wherever he onus goes, the team and the content from that team is going to be way more fun. Right. Last year we were in this yonus situation. Really, where I was just like,

this is just a wasted asset for us to watch and discuss. And wherever he goes, it's going to be a lot more fun. The other thing I want to see with this draft, the 11-12 range of Golden State picking right before OKC. And I'm sure you've heard this too. These teams now that see it through the prism of I'm tired of watching OKC just nailed the draft. How would they be thinking about these guys in the spot of it? And there's a couple like classic OKC guys in this range right after that

top eight were Yeahxel Morris Johnson. These are just guys that OKC will pick and then you'll get text from 20 teams being like fuck OKC did it again. And I wonder if that's going to change how people see the draft with their own spot. Even at Lian at eight or the Warriors at 11, like, I wonder what OKC would do here? I will caution. I heard you say that was like a couple days ago. I will say that the spurs had that kind of reaction maybe 10-12 years ago where they

“would take a guy and be like, I remember vividly this happened with Kyle Anderson. Like,”

of course, the spurs steal Kyle Anderson. And then it turns out he's just like whatever. Like it's sometimes he's like, oh, of course they draft this guy turn into like, of course the spurs drafted Josh Primo. What a steal he's gonna be. Oh, yeah, that was that a steal. OK. So just you feel the kick away with it. All right. Aggregate that Zackloss as Presti overrated. Oh, I'm not a little bit afraid. Sam Presti. All right. We're taking, we're taking a quick break.

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Some really good ones. This is from I hope I pronounce this correctly. Pachau and Dusseldorf Germany. He threw you in this mail bag question. He said, I want to know how you exact think a tournament of the last eight champions would actually shake out. Here's how the seating landed based on win percentage. Number one is OKC, two Boston, three Lakers,

round would be OKC, one versus bucks eight, Boston and Golden State, Denver and the Lakers and next Toronto. So let's go through the one eight. I have OKC over the bucks and five, 2015 or 25

“OKC against that 21 bucks team. I think I think that thunder handle them. I didn't make specific”

games picks, but I took the thunder. So it's a thunder and six. I'll give you honest a couple games, you honest through holiday, Chris Middleton. I'll give you a couple games for sure. Okay. I think OKC was better. That bucks team got bless them. Great team. They got a really nice pack on it and playoff run. Middleton was great. I just think the OKC team was really good. Celtics, the 24 version, going against the 22 warriors. So they almost beat the 22 warriors

and then 2014. I think was just better. The guys were older, more experience. I have to sadly take the Celtics. I think it's the Celtics. You throw a Jew holiday and pour Zingas into the mix and it's just the depth and versatility are different animals than those warriors could could summon. Yeah. But congratulations. Listen, there's no losers. These are eight champions. We're not down any of these. You're setting me up for some inflammatory. All of these are

wonderful teams, great teams. And one of the common themes we're going to run into is we debate the merits of them. And I focus on matchups and how they would match up with each other and what they look like in the playoffs more than regular season win totals and net ratings. Because if you're going to do it that way, just pick the 25th under the whole way if you're going to do just it that way. And you're going to run into debating the difficulty of their playoff paths to the

title. That's a common thing. You don't always get the 2011 Maverick's path where you just

have to beat all the best teams. Like a lot of these teams in the moment people said, well, they didn't have to play this team. They didn't have to play that team. It's actually pretty common. Denver over the Wakers. That's 23 Denver against the 20 Lakers. And that 20 Lakers team did have this is where it gets complicated because the KCP is KCP is in both in both teams. I don't know what we

“do with that. I think about that double KCP. Caruso was on that Laker team as well. They had Rondo.”

I just think Yoke had the Lakers number over the last few years there and I would take Denver over the Lakers in six or seven. I'm going nuggets in seven, best player and the best version of that team. I think that we've seen the 23 nuggets where we're going peak against peak, right? We're

going like peak form 23 nuggets versus 20 Lakers. That 20 Lakers is a really good team. I have always

been Lakers fans a proponent of like the bubble title counts just the same as all our titles and special in its own way. I'm not saying that. There's nothing about that. They had Danny Green, too. I forgot about Danny Green. They had a lot of good role players on that team. I just think that Denver team was was pretty awesome and I will take them in a long seven game slug. I feel the same way. Plus Yoke was on that 23 playoffs that Yoke had is one of the all-time

“heaters. I think he was 31, 14 and 11. Here's something and shot 50% from three crazy. All right,”

last one's a fun one. Nixon, Toronto and you have OG and Anobi on both teams, but we have to factor in the appendicitis for OG and Anobi. So he's wiped out in the Toronto side, but playing for the next side and I'll do respect for Toronto, which I think was the prototype for the every single

guy and our team can create a shot for themselves. Which was really one of the first times we had

seen that with the title team. Why was great that year, but I think the next beat them. How many games do you think it's a good series? I had Nixon's six. We're going into Toronto and going into the air conditioner. Oh, no, that would be they would be winning an MSC. Regardless. Nixon's six. What do you have? I think this is a tougher one than I initially just circled next because my brain is dumb and this just happened and so I'm overriding them in my head probably a little bit. But they are just

an awesome team. They solved all commerce. They just had the highest point differential in the area of the playoffs. That raptors and our last memory of that raptor's team is is tainted by Durant injury, clay injury. Kauai was kind of running out of gas toward the end of that series in Van Vleet, carried them over the finish line. Van Vleet, he checked. Young Siakum, young and an OB who didn't play, but young Siakum was already really good. The above the saw,

Gassol combo was really good. That's a really versatile, well-rounded two-way team. I'm going to give them a seven game loss to the next. I think they take the next to the distance in that series. But I'm taking the next. That sounded like somebody that's going to Toronto for a World Cup game in two days. They didn't want to be yelled at. Next round is much better and much tougher.

and we have Denver in the Celtics. I think that's an easier one. I think Denver beats the Celtics.

Yoke is always beats the Celtics. I don't care how good that 24 Celtics team was. I don't think we're

beat in the 23 now. It's unfortunately. I have them in six. The other ones at the top one. Who do you have in the Denver series? That's the dream series we didn't get. Like that whole season when Boston got won the title. The dream was Denver Boston. They're all the two regular season matchups were like the most amped up matchups of almost hyped up matchups of the season. I remember vividly watching one on a plane and praying the Wi-Fi would stay strong enough for me to continue

watching the game because they didn't have live TV on this particular flight. I went back and forth. I'll take Denver in seven. Just defaulting again to they have the best player and that team was just home of like Aaron Gordon. It's like peak Aaron Gordon, peak Bruce Brown, peak

“peak everybody involved pretty much. And so I will take Denver in seven. But I think that Celtic”

team was was awesome and solved some of its like late game, you know, whatever. Yips or whatever they had. No question. That would have been an awesome series. Okay. See over New York isn't even tough for call. I went with OKC in seven because of all the dudes they would have had to throw up Bronson. I think the big one for these playoffs that we just had is if OKC just beats San Antonio and seven. Do we feel much better about San Antonio than we did after five finals games

and then that OKC team was just all my next fan friends were like thank God we'd have to play OKC. That was a much tougher matchup for us. So I would go OKC in seven in that one, but I really waffle than I couldn't decide. My heart wants to take the next. Yeah. And I think I think the next, again, their level of problem. They're a very difficult team to play against. They're unusual

“team in a lot of respects with this six foot nothing guard who gets whatever he wants in a shooting”

five and all this wing versatility, wing size around them. I mean, what do you make a vocal homicity needing seven to be Denver with Michael Porter Jr playing with one arm and Aaron Gordon playing with one leg and then seven to beat Indiana like this is what I struggle with because again, if you're just going to go on a paper regular season plus combined resumes, it's Oklahoma City and it's not close, but the playoff resumes are New York's run better or have everyone

to quantify. It was certainly more dominant easier conference. I'll be it. I think I might actually take the Nixon seven to win this matchup over that specific Oklahoma City Thunder team. I think I might I think something because of the inexperience and I just it wasn't it was a very good playoff from Oklahoma City. Great championship run. I just think something crazy happened with the Nixon and they just found Nirvana and found magic. So I'll just whatever. This is a fun extra.

I'm taking the Nixon seven. Forget it. Sorry. It's a great one. I here's here's why I took

okay see all the guys. They're amazing. There's no run ups. Just all the guys to throw a

Brunson, which San Antonio had, but the difference is in the last five minutes okay see

“I had Shay and San Antonio didn't have anybody and that's why they kept losing those fine games.”

So I have finals Denver I have over okay see. So just because they came so close to beating okay see anyway and that 23 Denver team was way better. So that one was an easier one for me. So you have Denver versus New York in your matchup. So you have. I went Denver in seven. It's a crazy that we both ended with the 23 nuggets who were pilloried for having two play in teams in their playoff run and and how soft it was and playing Miami in the finals and all that.

I think you know power ranking these I think 23 Denver 25 okay see 26 Nick the last four to me are stronger than the early parts of the run. The last four are really really good single season teams just awesome teams topped the bottom. Yeah I think the 23 nuggets were the best of the eight so we agree okay it's fake trade season for the next part of the meal back

first one's from Mac he said I have to say that you were early and so right about Harper I'll take

all I noticed doing Harper was awesome compliments in the preseason which was the single easiest thing to know. I know that Dallas is contractually obligated to have their best player be a white guy but hypothetically let's say you were the spurs GM and Dallas calls offering flag for Harper do you say yes what if the wizard's calling off you the first pick for Harper Harper is not getting traded for any pick in this draft they're very litigated that flag for Harper's marching Dallas

obviously isn't trading flag nobody's trading anybody but I'm wondering what from what we know now I still think flag should go first but I did waffle way more than I would have two months ago. So the question is not who goes first in the draft it's to the spurs who says no to flag

they already have a point card right. I think I just think they say no anyway because what they just saw with Harper and the playoffs is a no-one commodity they've got a year to know him and within their walls they know how he fits with Wembon Yama he's more it's more of a sea change to go to flag

“is the super size point forward you can't lose with the other one but I think they would probably”

be like well I think it's a double no. I think it's a double no. Yeah the man's aren't in her the man's are saying no as well. For sure they hang up faster flag on that spurs team would have been fascinating. Literally what they needed that that Harper wasn't what they needed but flag next to Wemby would have been really fun. This one's a little more realistic even though I don't think it happens from Aaron and Oregon who says no Austin Reeves for Jalen Durant double sign

and trade. Lakers get their big for Luca to trick at some perfect fit next to K to voids over pain Durant and then he adds also is everyone sleeping on Dame Freak and Lillard joining this Portland team that got a win in San Antonio so he just did the two-part question that you do at the press conference when you really get one question out of two part of for you and they're just completely unrelated is like hey what about the expansion B aspiration that finishing any time

soon takes I'll take it from here. Yeah we are sleeping on Dame it we're I'll talk more

about Portland later. What was the first part I already forgot this is a dangerous two-part question

Durant Durant Reeves double sign and trade. So who's I'm just going to be Stu Paul Reed all in on those guys and finding a center down the line it's like Austin Reeves is a better player right now than Jalen Durant. I feel like his they need secondary creation around K they more urgently need what regular season jail and Durant was in terms of like rim running all that stuff so I'm just I'm that's too much these are huge changes I'm saying no it's too much for me to contemplate

is the Detroit pistons. I'm saying no as well for both teams. I do think Detroit needs to get Durant somewhere between 30 and 34 to 5 seems doable to me. Yeah I don't think he can't be a max guy. This next one's fun from Jolville quit straight fifth pick for Palo Bancaro. Quips already have Garland drafting and guard is gonna magic could choose a cuff to pair with socks and fronds and fix their luxury tax issues. What are your thoughts? It did make me pause.

I was earlier in the podcast I had a Jalen Brown for the five you said that wasn't on the Boston timetable which you're right. This is a little more on the magic timetable. Pretty

good trade. That's a good one. So basically it's eight cuffs and you save 35 million on the cap.

And Bancaro is still very young so it's sort of a plup although he's making a max salary. My whole thing about the clippers and being just overjoyed to have a blue chip young guy kind of still applies. Clippers got a thing hard about that. Got to think really hard about that. There is something a little depressing about pairing two of like two guys who are leaving disappointing postseason teams or the I guess the calves are no longer disappointing postseason team.

But Garland at Bancaro feels like hey we got we got the discards from teams that just didn't do quite as much as didn't play quite as well the playoffs as we wanted. That's a good one. I don't know the the film I've watched of the draft guys with the clippers I'm just saying I'm gonna make the pick. I'm making a pick. There's enough guys that I would love to have on my team. I'm just gonna make the pick. Would you trade the fifth pick from mobiley? That one gets really interesting because that

“solves a lot of luxury tax ship for Cleveland too. I probably I think that's hard. That's hard.”

As the clippers as the clippers I probably would and I just think mobiley's a little bit more better than Bancaro. I think he is a little bit better than Bancaro just because of what he could do defensively is like a total known A plus commodity and he's very young. But Savvus did that trade if I was the calves. You would. I would not be with us. It's all guards on the fifth pick and I think I'd rather I was even thinking about it from their perspective. I don't think their grips I would do it.

I don't think they're moving mobiley almost for anyone right now. So good. They shouldn't. Adam from Santane Valley Arizona had a three teamer where the Warriors got Anthony Davis and Clay Thompson. Washington got Jimmy Butler in the 11th pick from Golden State. It Dallas got pods and Moses Moody in the trade exception from AD. The 11th is way too much for Anthony Davis. I don't think he is that

kind of value. I do feel like there's a next year's first from Golden State with the Butler

“expiring for Davis is like in the vicinity of what I think and I think Davis wants to be in Washington”

in either of you. But I don't think he's worth the 11th pick with the injury history of the

about tomorrow too and I think they've been pretty open about that like yes we want to win around stuff. Yes all the Anthony Davis would help. You got to think a little bit about about tomorrow.

“Why was Dallas and that trade? What was Dallas getting? I think just to get Clay Thompson back”

Oh, great. Which I fully support. I think Adam was thick right. All right. This is the best one from Doug from Sleepy Hollow. You discussed Chicago Memphis trades to get Peterson in Chicago with House. But the ideal one is staring us in the face. Number three for number four and a sick new height in downtown Memphis. Oh, come on. One of the weird subplots of the season finding out NBA Post hate Memphis because of the hotel. Well the governor of Illinois is rich

because his family owns high it and he's currently taking heat from Illinois sports fans because the bears are starting to move to Indiana with one move everyone wins. Bulls kept Peterson Memphis gets Wilson and a luxury high it in downtown Memphis. But that's not helping me. That's not helping me as the Memphis Grizzlies. It's helping my opponents rest better and be happier when they come

“into my city and that's a great point. That's why Memphis has no. Yes, so Memphis says no. They're”

like this hotel things that advantage for us. The players are pissed. They don't sleep well. They can get good room service. Like we like where we are with this screw you the hang up. Um, oh, this was the J. L. Brown trade they got. Uh, this is from Sean T. J. L. Brown and Houser for Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon. Oh, I got it. Oh, out of me. It's funny because J. L. Brown and Jamal Murray was the big Boston who were they going to take it three 10 years ago in the 2016 draft. The

Jamal Murray was one of the guys people thought Boston was going to take. Um, J. L. Brown and Houser for Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon. Denver would save a little money on that one too. They save a lot

of money. We're going to have to ignore that element of it. I think it's 81 million dollars coming

back to the Celtics in jail and is a 57 and Houser is a 67 for 81, 68. Yeah, you could throw in one more to make that work, but thank you. Pretty good one. Wow, you're really deliberating on this one. I like this one. So this will give the Celtics Murray with Derek White, Richard off the bench. Aaron Gordon, Tatum, you're still hurt in at center a little bit, but that would be it. I think I'm, I'm a no if I'm Boston just because, oh, I thought it would be Denver. That would be the no.

I mean, it could it could be either, honestly, again, no, I have no prep for this listener.

“This is just being thrown out of the blind. Yeah, that's that's what we love. I love”

the Gordon leg issues are really worrisome to me. And I just like like 95 million dollars of

Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon 2029 makes me a little nervous if I'm the Celtics. And I care a little bit about like maybe cleaning up my books at some point, which is one of the things you've talked about with with Jalen. It's a double no. I think the more realistic one would just be Jalen for Jamal Murray straight up with maybe some massaging from the Denver side. Randy and Sacramento would like to propose the following King special. Oh boy, wherever unwinds, the spurs received

Damascus abonus, Hawks received the Aaron Fox, and the Kings get Ricochet, Caminga, and the spurs 20th pick, and maybe their picks walk back. I'll go waste more simple than this. What if it's just Fox to the Hawks, Ricochet, and Caminga to Sacramento, it's abonus, and buddy healed to San Antonio. No pegs, nothing else. That actually was disperse machine. This person needs assistance immediately. This is absolutely an insane trade, insane for who? Everybody involved. So the spurs are like,

hey, we just made the finals. And one, six, whatever it's about us. Like how about we upend everything

and try to pair subonus with Victor Wenbin Yamba? That's amazing. The Hawks are like, hey, we're a

pretty good young team. Yeah, we just resigned C. J. McComb for one year. You know what sounds great? Four years and $220 million here in Fox for him. I would just put it in the air. Pick the number one in Jonathan, Caminga, and the Kings are getting what? They're getting Caminga, and Richard, and I didn't have Caminga, and they get Richard. That's it. That's actually not bad. The Kings are not making out like bandits there for a guy who called this Sacramento, presumably

fan who called it the Kings Special. That one broke me a little bit. It broke my spirit. It broke my morale. I'm a little flustered by that one. Sorry, Randy. And then the last one's from L. S. New York, who says he loves the pot. I know the nuggets have no plans to trade Yoke. Okay, let's go. I was waiting for this one. But could the thunder offer something like jet, jade oven picks for Yoke, engineering Gordon, what's the mother load? How far could it go? It did. So I texted you, and I was like,

got this Yoke at straight. They're not trading Yoke. You texted me. I just wanted to be clear.

fair realistic Yoke at straight. Okay. They're not going to trade them, but I do think if they ever did, Utah would be the team. Because it's reasonably close to Denver. Is that what who you had to? I have six teams. I said, that's just how I roll bill. You give me 55 minutes as long as I give you 16. All I need is one. I can't believe you had six. Ellis gave me Ellis gave you one, which is okay. He's an obvious one. You pair Shay and Yoke, and you just figure out the rest.

I wouldn't trade both, chat and jade oven, but one of them. I wouldn't either. But chat 12, 17. I got to do something. They also. They get these casings got to be in a give me sorber. They all the rights to multiple Denver first round picks. So I get my picks back. There's a lot of stuff there. And Utah's, and I'm surprised you landed on Utah too, because I have there's that there's a

Utah trade to be made. The problem is I really want to sign and trade Walker Kessler as part of

that trade if I'm the jazz. And the nuggets, because the apron stuff, can't take a player back, who's acquired and to sign and trade. Because I don't, he's the one if I'm getting Yoke. It's so I have to make a three team trade and get a little complicated. Here's my question on your Utah trade. Was the number two pick involved? Yeah. 100,000. Okay. Yeah. It's a full blow up for Utah. That was the only one. Yeah. I had a number two marketing and all the other picks that

have where they basically, and I had them keeping Kessler in the trade, not just for the reason you mentioned, but I also kind of like the idea of Kessler and Yoke together. But, but Utah is one of the

“few teams that could make a fuck you offer, I think. And you're a set to figure you want Yoke”

to be happy and you kind of like being on that side and the mountains. Just, you don't have to say what the other offers were, but what were the other four teams you had? I want to say. Yeah. All right. So, first of all, here are the three different challenges for this, right? Whatever team get, we're seeing now with the honest. Whatever team gets Yoke Kessler be in position to win immediately. That's number one. Number two, their picks in this new lottery world have to have

some upside for me as Denver where it's like, I'm okay. I'm not going to get the 25th pick every year. And number three, Yoke Kessler be willing to sign that extension. So, we talked about Utah. We talked about, um, okay, see, uh, Houston, Shengun, Jibari Smith, junior, Netspick, Sun's Pick, a bunch of swaps, rockets picks. So, I get bites at the apple from different, from different teams who could bought them out in the right year. Portland, Donovan Klingon, Scoot Henderson, Jeremy Grant, all the

box picks, all the blazers picks. Anything you've been interested for you? Um, you get all the more hockey stuff. I don't know if Portland has the headliner for that trade necessarily. No, Klingon plus Scoot is not as sexy as it might have been. Now, the number two pick to me is a much more

“important headliner. Charlotte, lamella ball or branded Miller, take your pick. Number 14, number 18,”

salon, a mavespick, a heat pick, all the future Charlotte picks. No, no. And I need, if I'm trading Joker, I need something incredible back. Delaker's Delaker's straight up for Luka Dodjitch. Just because I thought you'd have a little fun with that one. Hold on, let's talk this out. I keep LeBron Reeves. And I get Yokech and we're going all into win the title with that group. We're talking more than I can have a lot of defense, but we'd already

don't have enough. I have to throw in more Luka, more than Luka, right? I got to throw in a pick or two with that future something. Anything? I don't know. I mean, that's pretty good.

Winnam Clark just won the U.S. Open. Okay. My, I've always, I've always said

you always win. Winnam Clark is my guy. David Sherman said, one of my favorite takes you've ever had is the NBA short word, larger, smaller trophies to the NBA champion, depending on how

“important and impressive the runner tri-up is. What size would you give the next after this year?”

Obviously, no one is getting a bigger trophy in the 2011 maves blah, blah, blah. So I actually that idea was for the MVP, not the NBA, not the Lawrence of Brian trophy, because I feel like every championship is special. I think if you just threw out the trophies full name, not the Laryo brand, you just will throw on top of the Lawrence. Ironically, probably the worst commissioner of the weeks I've ever had. Just overwhelming about evidence. I think this is a better idea

for the MVP, because we have some incredible, you know, like the shack 2000 or LeBron,

2012 MVP's, where it's just like these are the biggest 40 pound MVP's. And then there's the other ones where they're like, Carl Malone, they're in the lockout. He's just every three, you get three pounder. I want to tell people, both privately and publicly, any

with Carl Malone slander. It's just great about it. Feel, I feel what I'm at least favorite, not

Celtics ever. I wish you'd had a cup of coffee with the Celtics at the end of his career. So the trophies, if we, if we gave them three, maybe three sizes only for how impressive the run was, I still feel like the 2011 maps would be higher than this next title, but I still thought it was really impressive. It was a level two for me, because level one level two, level three, being the highest. That's, and that's really just 2011 maps. I don't even know what's on that.

This was a solid level two. The level is, are we combining difficulty, memorability, yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, that historical significance, the next had a bunch of it,

“but I don't know, at the path. I don't know, you could get them. I think this is a level three.”

I think it's just at a level three, and at my case, would be 16 and three in the playoffs, greatest point differential in the history of the playoffs. Collision with Wenbin Yamma,

which we will always remember, because the next face of the league and all of that enter to hero

and left to villain in very simplistic terms. And first title in 53 years for the biggest market in one of the most historic franchises, and so I think it's a level three despite the fact that you didn't pick the opposition. It's a level three. You know what else? You're right. And you left out the greatest comeback in the history of the sport. One of the most iconic plays. It's a level three. My apologies, next fancier. There's a level three title. This next email is really good.

It's from Sean and Charlotte, who fances himself as an amateur NBA historian. He said the next playoff run was 100% unbelievable. I clocked your Shawshank redemption reference in your June 14th podcast. Was the Patriots 2001 Super Bowl like this for you? Do you actively remember thinking you didn't have to cringe at that refrigerator pair? Well, touched down any more of the rest of your life. And he's right. But he said, seem patching you and hugging Carl Towns was genuinely emotional. People I

don't have to think about anymore. Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippin, Horace Grant, Hugh Holland, Phil Jackson, Pakeem, Reggie Miller, Rick Smith, Pat Riley, PJ Brown, Scott Layton as a Thomas Kurt Rambus, Jeff Horaceck, David Fizzdale, Trey Young, and Tyreys, Halbert. That was Sean and Charlotte. And it's such a great point. When you win a title, all of these horrible skeletons you have in your poker guys pool just vanishing to dust. Why did he include Hugh Holland's?

Hugh Holland's. That was the that was a fan to found the next favor. Was it not? I know, but then it led to them making the final. So maybe he sees Hugh Holland's and it led to more pain. I don't know why he included him. Okay. Um, but it's a great point. Because I remember when the Red Sox wanted to know four and the Aaron Boone game had happened the year before. Remember when the Yankees won and in, in I remember exactly where it was. Yeah, and that was

going to hop me the rest of my life. And then the Red Sox beat the Yankees the next year. I'll

“send that Aaron Boone home or nothing. Means nothing to me anymore. Just dead. And that's what”

happens when you win a title is all the all the skeletons just vanish. I felt terrible. I remember exactly where I was in that game. I was a neutral party in as much as I was not a neutral party. I was a meds fan growing up, but my dad is a Red Sox fan. So I have the opportunity for the Red Sox. I was at, I think it was called the Lion's Head on the Upper West Side slash morning side Heights. And it was it was the it was the it was a mixed crowd

yet half Yankees fans have Red Sox fans rowdy. I just remember RIP feeling the absolute worst for Tim Wakefield who just had made such a great career out of being a knuckle baller was an iron man and any zeter, beloved member of that team and just watching him walk off the mound as man, this, this, this, anybody, I would have been, I would have felt less bad if it had almost been anybody on the Red Sox but him, they gave up that home. So beloved that none of us

held it against a nutty gave up the season ending home or we all loved Tim Wakefield. It was never

it wasn't like a Calvin Schrawley Bob Stanley thing. And then a year later he became one of the

“players. Yeah, but that is a great part of when that's how it is.”

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the next look in the best they've been in completing only in the city of this title. It's officially over for the Brooklyn Nets. There is zombie franchise playing in a gentrified mall. Why not move the Nets to Las Vegas by out rubber pair, move the Grizzlies to Seattle and let the new ownership groups pay a massive relocation entry fee to the other 30 owners instead of expansion. You get a lot of money, Seattle gets Sonic back, Vegas gets a roster. We don't have to watch

30 win expansion teams who says no. I do wonder, do this, did the size you think have like a

“secret meeting being like, is this ever going to work here? What do we do?”

I mean, I think this is not even, I mean, the relocation thing is a little bit crazy, but this whole existential crisis of the Brooklyn Nets is a franchise is a real thing because if you did like ancillary winners and losers of the finals and the playoffs and the next title run, the Nets are near the top of the list because this just underlined irrelevant to the strong of a word, but New York is a multi-team town for every sport

it seemingly accepts NBA basketball and I guess the NBA basketball because of the liberty of who the size also owner, like a phenomenal fan experience and a great team. It's just like this high, like I found myself imagining what would a Nets parade look like if they had won during the Durant. It would not have been like that. It would not have felt like that.

It would have been 20 to 10 percent like that. And why I find it interesting is because obviously

“the Nets have been kind of tanking since that team broke up and failed. The lottery gods have not”

been kind to them, they were not kind to them again, they're picking six on Tuesday and they have just drafted a bunch of point cards, that's a point card spot. I just wonder sort of how aggressive the size want to be and like hey, we got to hit like this is embarrassing, like we got to put something together that creates a little buzz and I'm not sure how we do that, like do we want to go out and get this guy like that? I just I'm interested to see how they respond

because I do think the next winning and the outpouring of emotion from the entirety of New York City is like a meaningful material change to like what the Brooklyn Nets mean to the NBA. I really do. I'm sorry to Nets fans. By the way, it was lying underneath for decades. So opportunity with the Nets was that the next run had been so awful for 20 years. Could you steal some nicks fans based on how? They tried to run and we were like a couple of months

earmarked for the nicks and they went to the Nets and that was in that whole thing and then they got hardened and we've talked about that. I watched the foot on the line three from Durant. It's like mass chaos and barcoise that has to be the loudest and crazy when he makes it and actually goes in and the fans thought they win. So there was some energy there and if you're the

“size you have to think like okay well go back and watch some of those games like it wasn't”

nothing. No but it wasn't nothing. I honestly feel the same way about the clippers. I just think L.A. is a lake or town. There's very few clipper fans and I don't really fully understand why bomber just want to move to Seattle and just be like you know what I try to obviously he can't now because he just built this into a dome and he's just kind of ball in. But there's just a couple teams. It's the same reason why we don't have two teams in Chicago. The NBA makes way

more sense and works better. I wouldn't Memphis wouldn't be the team I moved. I would move

the whirlwinds if I had to pick a team to move. That would be the one we've never seen professional

basketball succeed ever in the whirlwinds and it's not the fault of the fans but it's a small market and a team that's run horribly and if you were just going to say relocation, net somewhere in the pelk and somewhere and we don't have expansion. Here's the other thing. That makes more sense to me. This is maybe obvious but here's the other thing that happened with this next title run. An entire group of young fans in Brooklyn in Queens in every burrow in every area of New York

is there now next fans forever. You've lost an entire generation. Even some fans who maybe like flirted with being a net fan have now pivoted to being next fans. I watched it happen in Boston after I left with the Bruins because the Bruins the owner and some of those stuff that the Bruins really liked faded and became just the hardcore Bruins fans and nobody else and then this new Bruins group came in and completely rejuvenated the city on the Bruins and the same thing

happened in the Patriots and all of a sudden you had all these people who were under 2530 that just loved those teams that might not have been there and those same things going to happen the next. All right. You had no prep for this question. Okay from Joshua. I was thinking about all the sets of

look like? I'll give you the eight brother teams. Okay. The Thompson's Dylan Run Harper, Janice and Pickle Brother, Franz and Mo Wagner, Jalen and Coda Williams, Aaron and Drew Holiday, Cason and Keaton will us. Wallace. And I was our Wallace and Stephens Seth Curry. So basically comes down to I would say the Thompson twins first, the Harper's in the finals would be my guess unless you just think Janice could one man it.

I really would be curious if we honest with you. Would it just turn to be amazing?

First of all, if anything is better than the Taco Bell, Pooley and Weed or it's cool, Taco Bell skills general. Three by presented by Spike Sprite. Yeah. I think Janice would try to pick all of his brothers and just sort of like sub them in and out. And I think the league would have to make him pick. No, you have to pick. Right. One of them, only one. And you have to snub the others

“and create family drama that will last generation. You have to do it. I think the Thompson's”

find a way to bully and defend their way into beating the Harper's and everybody else. And they would be my pick. But Dylan Harper is the Dylan Harper on Harper Jr's. So a game seven, started on Harper Jr's. Nice team. Yeah. It's a playoff experience for both.

Thompson's probably a rock fight with the Thompson's, but maybe, uh, I don't know. I'd have

them in the finals. Thompson twins. I managed 140. I mean, I'm just trying to score on those guys. Two on two. My god. What did what a, well, the brother tournament. I love it. Um, this is from Stuts. He says has the Luca Brunson map's team over Taken. The hard and Katie Westbrook, KC team as the biggest, what if we kept this team together, team of the 21st century? Um, in retrospect, none of those KC guys proved they could

will obtain no championships, single handedly. Brunson art did it. Maybe Luca could do it someday. And then he says, time is luck. Stuts from Charlotte. That's a reference to, uh, to my new advice to movie. Time is luck. Big theme. Heat, too. Michael Man. Um, so the only other one, 2022, the only other one I would say is the what if we kept the team together, but it's not this century was the 95 magic, but I do think those two were in the finals. The Brunson thing in a lot

of ways was even worse than the hard and, um, the hard and trade, which we hated and I think we did

multiple pieces of podcast. That's the first to work together. It's single handedly made

grandlands and be a coverage profitable and workable for like two years. It's great. We loved it. We loved getting content out of the hard and trade because it was so stupid. The Brunson thing was

“worse because it was four for 55. And if you remember that last season, even though they said we”

weren't talking for for 55 during the season, Rick Brunson did go to Dallas and say, it was like in January of that last season, we'll do the four for 55. And Dallas is like, we don't know. I still don't understand it. It was inexplicable as it was happening. Well, it was for trade purposes, right? Like that was why. If they extended them, they couldn't trade them at that deadline in case something big came up for Luca and it turned out to something big was on your

team. Like the guy that just won finals, I mean, P and scored 45 points in it all. I'm great close out performance. So what do you think's the bigger? What if we kept this team together, Tim? It's probably still okay seeing because of the sheer totality of the guys. I think this is to pick Dallas is a little bit of a prisoner of the moment, take because it was just like Luca and Brunson clearly could have been special together, but one was still coming off the bench for the most part.

And yeah, those three guys together, all of whom we've won MVP's in the regular season, is just so iconic and had shit. Like we saw proof of concept, they make the finals as like in the roles that they were probably going to have her hard and was going to start eventually. And then poof, it was gone so dramatically and so quickly. And they're all such iconic players for all different reasons that I still think that's the one. The other thing hard and what about

them was back up star power when either guy got hurt, which is what happened the next year and two days, their team on Westbrook got hurt in the playoffs and then I think 2015 went to rent. Everybody, yeah, just with the year from hell with injuries. He also, that four for 64, remember he goes to Houston, they immediately give him an even bigger contract than that. Four for 64 for hard and was like a bargain where the league was going, they lock out so, yeah,

“time. I remember everything. I remember Harden's first game. I believe it was against the”

Detroit pistons as a rocket and it was a meal like all my god. This guy's going to actually do this game. Yeah, game out. Holy smokes. Sid McCollum and Salem Morgan.

Just so he could answer second round picks. This is a joke. I made him up again. And he said with

house's affinity for food and drinks, my mind went to sponsorship opportunities for each pick house comes out the different food or drink option from different sponsors and league partners and says, are we stake by its brings us the 31st pick? And with that, the next select plank, I, I'm not going to be the NBA commissioner. I still feel like house could do the second round,

“and they could, they could have food sponsors for each pick. I think he would do better than”

market aid of honestly. I think it's a great idea. Just he could be eating when he walks out on stage, like I think it works. I think a different surprise second round announcer every year is a great gimmick. Just keep just you just gotta keep it under wraps and just oh, sure comes a smoke wish. And I felt that's it. Yeah, I mean, I saw they had different people coming out making different announcements, but just one guy could be could be anyone. It could be a music artist could be Joe

House. It could be you. It could be anybody. I'm available. The more tough to pronounce names the better for you. Kobe from Oakland now in Vancouver says Harper quickly merges as a prodigy potential grade, but foxes it is way. What's similar NBA situations from the past can help us predict future outcomes? And he said the first one that came to mind for him was Courielus, where it was the

two of them together. Now that team had never wanted anything. This team made the finals. So I came

“up with four and then I came up with the winner. They're not prepier for this. No, there was a”

Cedric Maxwell kept McCail situation where McCail eventually took over, but the, but it was kind of the way it was going to go anyway. So I don't think that counts. That was pretty seamless. The transition. There was a James worthy Jamal Wilkes situation on those Laker teams, but that was also one guy was getting older. One guy was about to take over. I don't think that counts. There was a Jamal Wilkes Rick Barry mid 70s warrior situation that Jamal Wilkes solved by signing with the Lakers as a

fridge and we never found out. And then there was a Norm Nixon magic Johnson situation. That was the one I thought were you're going to, you were going to start with where they traded Norm Nixon got the number of picks from the Quippers. They took Byron Scott. Similar to the Jail and Brown trades were talking earlier. I don't have that as my answer either because that Laker team won a title.

The answer is Adrian Dentley and Dennis Rodman. In the late 80s, Pistence, when they traded

Dentley because Rodman had to play more and that was the whole point of the trade. They had this absolute one of a kind rebounding defense force that just needed more minutes and Dentley wasn't ready to play less and they solved that by trading for a Gwire who was, I say, as buddy. I was going to say this. That's all Chicago connection right between Mark Gwire and Isaiah. Then one, two titles. But that's a really good parallel to this because Adrian Dentley,

a little bit older. The question for me with Fox, because there are some interesting stats about didn't finish at the rim as much this season. Not as fast. He was probably the fastest or one of the fastest guys in the league. Didn't seem as fast. Is there a wear and tear as you're getting

“older or was he just hurt this year? Did you land on an answer for that? I think it's probably a”

little bit of both. That level of speed and athleticism doesn't last forever and then you throw in some playoff, some ill-time. He started the year coming back from what was a, some sort of leg injury, hamstring or a shin or something or calf or other or something and then finished it with a high ankle sprain. But also that's life in the NBA. How many of you're not getting through 100 games just like, oh, I was just healthy and energetic the entire year. That's just not realistic.

And I just think, like, you can throw all the fake Fox trade you want out right now. Like, I don't think any team is trading for him without another season of him kind of rehabbing his game at his trade value a little bit. I don't see any realistic trade this all season. So you think he's a top five when was and how soon I did the worst contract draft. He's top five for you now. 221 for four years. It's, I mean, it's just it's a huge number and people are already like,

well, it's he the third best guard on a steam and he's a very, very good player. But if you're having that conversation and that number hasn't even kicked in yet, like, it's probably in the top five. It's a gulp and a sigh when you hear the numbers. It's like, oh. Steve from Tobaccoville, North Carolina. Sure. He thinks we should have a playoffs participation trophy. Shout out to Vince Goodwill, which goes to bits is a nice guy, which goes to the team,

who lost to the team, who lost to the team, who lost to the team, who lost in the finals. So he said, well, I'll walk you through it. The 26 trophy, our winner would have been the Houston Rockets. They lost to the lakers, who lost to the thunder, who lost to the spurs, who lost to the next. This trophy reminds the team's fan base that, wow, they made the playoffs. They weren't anywhere close.

loses to the team that lost to the team three times in a row. Well, it's not too similar to the

thing you hear from fans sometimes if, you know, our team loses in the second round and it's a

crushing disappointment. We were the higher seed or whatever it is. And then, but the team, we end up losing two ends up winning the titles. Oh, I kind of feel better about my round by second round loss. And so it's a cousin of that. So the rockets turnovers at the end of what was a game two of that series. You're disqualified from all of the awards. I don't, I don't want any of the awards. Maybe it's not an award. Maybe it's maybe it's like a, like a voodoo dollar.

Did we ever just figure out what, speaking of which, do we ever figure out what Mizzulated with the coach of the air trophy? Do we do we know that? Oh my god. I look at everything every now and then. I'm ready to bid on it on eBay. It's definitely in his garage.

Robbie wants to know of Jalen Branson was actually the best fridge and signing of all time and says,

“I find this hard to believe. You do, Robbie. Well, I have a couple that I think were bigger.”

Okay. I think shack to the Lakers in 96, eight years, three rings, four finals, one MVP. That's just a bigger signing in Branson. Sorry. LeBron and Bosch, Durantical and State. That's two titles. LeBron back to Cleveland in 14 and then bringing Cleveland a title. I think has to be dead even with Branson to the next. So I would have it tied for fourth. I think part of the reason why people would make the argument that it should be higher.

And I'm not sure that it is. The shack one is a great, is a great call. And obviously like doomed Orlando forever and ever. And there's all sorts of controversy about who offered what and when and what went wrong and all that is. It's the only one of those. It's not a max. Right. Like Branson is not a max. And you kind of have to piggyback on top of it the extension that

wasn't a max that has allowed them to sort of wiggle around under the second apron for a little while here.

That's going to be Pablo's next five parts here. Well, he's the next fan. I guess he can't do it. The J1 taking less. I'm still still. Well, I don't think there's any secrets there. He knew exactly what he was doing. He trust that he's going to be taking care of on the back end. Because he knows all these people. There is family and he wants to win and it helped them win. I don't think there's any like I think it's a unique one of one situation that is that is unreplicable.

Couple other ones. Gus Williams to Seattle. That led to the title. Jamal Wilkes to the Lakers. Chanti Bubs to Detroit. Real into Miami, the shot. Robert Howard is saying the Tony on 2003. And then Nash to Phoenix was a great one.

“I think if the question is what's the savviest free agent of all time, signing of all time?”

I think Branson might win. Where they went higher than a lot of people thought. It was not a well-received signing, right? It was four for one or six for the team that wouldn't pay him four for 55. And the way it worked out. A couple other random ones, Rashard Lewis and Carlos Bouser, both really good ones. Didn't meet the titles. Rashard Lewis led to a finals, but I'm really excited for this next question. We're almost done by the way.

James, James Phelps. Have you been watching the World Cup, Sachwell? I don't want to talk about the World Cup, but yeah, I have been watching some of it. Key likes, James Phelps likes that in soccer. They have specific jersey numbers for certain positions. Attacking mid, number 10, striker 9, defensive stopper usually 6. So what would you do for basketball and should we do it? So it's a two-part question. What would the numbers be? Because he

said like shooting guard 23, small forward 33. And would you like it more if the best players on teams wore the numbers that the best players wear like in soccer? I got to say I did thought experiment it out and I kind of enjoyed it. I can't believe you. I can see you doing this. I can see you, you put out a pad and paper and you started where you took this. I've had it. Sometime in your life that could otherwise have been spent with your wife for children was failed back. Was spent

“on this. The mail bag you have to take to the end with all questions. 23 shooting guard 21”

power forward and on our dunking. Okay. Six for center for Bill Russell. Sure. 33 small forward for bird and then one or 32 for point guard. I would vote for 32 because of magic. The thinking is the best guys ever would all get the numbers. But I do like the concept of like if San Antonio right now it's like a Harper Fox is wearing 32 should Harper have it. It's the point guard number who's getting yeah. Okay. And when he would wear six in this. This is particularly

artful what you're doing because LeBron is not represented except he's 23 and 23. So 23 in soccer

which is shooting guard, but it's also like LeBron basically could have played any position. It's

not like you can pigeon home. So 23 is like the number. And that's you know like Orlando Palo 1 and 23

“but France thinks he should have it. I think it opens up for a lot. So you're just creating”

trade rumors. You're just creating rumors. Who's team is that your whole yours team is being perhaps 10 of them out for the year. Jalen where's Jalen? Where's the 33? 33? Yeah. I do like this though. I think I've been my mind immediately went to J crowd or can't be 99. We were just we were censoring individual expression like this. I mean like you know I like numbers. I like being able to pick my. Okay. Ethan from Cleveland says when Yannis forces a trade, it would be the second time

the summer a team owned by Jimmy Haslam has traded a generational talent. He screwed up the Browns of Bucks so bad. These teams are forced to trade both Garrett and Yannis and the same offseason, Bowscare. Does this move him toward the top of the list of one of the worst owners in recent sports history? I mean just his Browns work alone is done that. I can't really hang the Bucks stuff on him as much

because when he got there I was kind of that was one of the reasons that last result in the first place

because it was like I'm going to get up from this black Jeff table right now because they just changed doors on me and he just got out. With that said it is pretty crazy that he presides over those two teams that just traded their two best franchise guys. They are one of the two teams along with Phoenix that I have to remind myself when I go on Spotrek. I got a scroll down a little further to the Dead Money section to get their true cap number. He's like oh my god Bradley Beale.

What is it? David Miller. Oh my god. Twenty two years. Nothing. I didn't think I did the Sun's cap sheet earlier today because of their Gillespie and Jordan Goodwin deals and they know they're in pretty good shape and I scrolled. Yeah. Tanks. Dead Money sounds like a movie we could run on. Roku. Moses says my question regarding Darren Peterson. Why would anyone draft this guy in

“the top three? It's not often we see a guy with this many red flags pan out. I really think he's”

going to be a bust. I would gamble on my four but I would much rather have the other three. Thanks love the pot. Oh what a what a bust. So he's going to use a bust and he's like I'll take him before that's like if you're a bust just go all the way to his feet and bust don't take him. Moses was all over the place. I do think Peterson has enough red flags that the moment of truth I'd be a little nervous when these other three guys I think are all going to be really really really awesome.

Like you'd better really be sold on the reasons Peterson had the cramping stuff and some of the other stuff happened last year. I don't where did you land on him? I mean when you look at the YouTube clips it's out of control. He's he looks awesome. I think the upside I think he has scary scary upside I would take him with one of the first two picks just because I've heard all of the teams have seen every bit of medical data that they would want to see and have come away feeling like okay like

there's nothing here that is of long term because he's like that more than Bowser. I love Bowser.

“So good he's incredible. I think his floor is maybe even higher than anyone else on the draft”

and the ceiling is pretty damn high too. I just think those two guys as folk rooms of elite offenses could be so special that I don't know if I could take Booser over any of them over either the defense or Peterson. But I love Booser. I was absolutely blown away by the Booser tape as I've mentioned several times and this is actually a little show. This is the most Zach low question possible. It's from Connor and Bend Oregon. Every time I listen to people praise the next roster construction

I think to myself, my blazers did it first. 2015. Dame Wesley Matthews, Nick Batoon, Aldrich, Robin Lopez. A season that under with the Blazers getting dog walk by Memphis, Dame getting his playoff lumps and West tearing his Achilles. With my dreaded the possibility of our new owner moving the team. It's nice to imagine another reality where the Blazers want to championships. So Dame wasn't really Dame yet in that playoffs in Memphis. He was 16% from three

Memphis beat them in five. But he is right. That was the construction. It was a little bit similar to that next construction. Aldrich's left after this season. That blazers team I went back that team was really good on paper. They also traded for a flalo. They'd see Jim McCollum younger.

That Myers Leonard hit Allen Crab a year away from getting paid 72 million by the nets.

Pretty solid team. The West Matthews then killed them though. Look, that could be my burner account from Bend Oregon who emailed that in because it's one of my

Wesley Matthews. It's everything just came. They were a classic greater than some of their

parts team. And they were super fun to watch. And then one by one, it all kind of came on

“done starting with West tearing his Achilles and then L.A. leaves in free agency. I believe after that”

after that playoff lost to. So that was hanging over the team. Well, it was a beautiful team to watch. They won a lot of games. And I do think they had an outside chance of having like making a finals. And they just didn't. And that's that's tough. Man, it's hard to win a title. These two are related. One's from E. B. Who says is a homer mock if and he gets upset that people don't mention Janice's 50 point close out game six. Why is Bronson's thing over that already?

See, we had a whole thing about that. And then Jordan from Hoboken said, "Everything you have said on your pods about Caitlyn Bronson should also apply to Eli Manning." Being an alpha on a championship team, Trump said everything Eli did at twice. You bump Bronson all the way up to 41 on your pantheon. Or your parent made a imagine if he did what he did twice. Eli should be the whole fan, blah, blah, blah. Here's the difference,

comparing Bronson to Eli Manning and Janice. This would be the first podcast that I can't wait for this.

There was a real inevitability with what was happening with Bronson in these fourth quarters

“that I think kind of Trump that, as great as that Janice's 50 point game was, it was a lot of”

chewing your nails that he was going to make free throws and he was a little bit of a heater. And then Eli was basically, would have a couple great throws, but it wasn't like he was dominant. What Bronson broke the spurs by game five. I just felt like I just value a little differently what he did the playoffs and especially game five. And I think it's hard to compare it. Janice's 50 point closed out game is being mentioned because every graphic on television

that is had like here's where Jill and Bronson's closeout game, Bronson and B. History is mentioning that game. It's an all-time classic game that drew the Drew Teyannis lob is one of the craziest most iconic places in the world. That was game five. Okay. No, that's the game five was in Phoenix and then game six was the 50 point game. That was the game when he couldn't shoot the free throws. But he has a preposterous free throw line in the closeout game. Remember he missed the two near

the end of game five and it was a whole thing of y'all. Janice's free throws. And then he went on the heater game six. I just I felt like Bronson was a level of it. Where I mean, when it gets to the point where you're down tan and you're just like that, here comes Bronson. That's a that's a whole other level.

Against against one banana and that defense. I mean, look, they're all it's all incredible,

but Bronson, Bronson, Janice, two great closeout games. And I don't, you know, I don't have a strong take. I guess Bronson, Bronson is just sexier because it's like a six foot nothing point guard in real-time problem solving. It's a hard work title. But it's just a problem solving. It's like you're over there. You're over here. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And I'm just going to get to my spot no matter what you do and make tough shots. Tough classic

NBA shots. Janice is not a classic NBA shot. Shotmaker, Bronson is. Set from 707 says, Hey, conspiracy bill. Was that finals lost all part of Wimbledon, Yam is long game to convince us that he's not an alien. No, interesting. So like he's like he zagged on us because he was like, if I win the title of age 22, they might investigate me. They might find out where I'm actually from. I really like this idea. As an ex as an old school

expiles fan, I'm all about. Have you seen disclosure day yet? No, I still haven't. You need everybody. Now I haven't seen yet. I might be a solo. I'm just going to drive to movie theater in the middle of the day by myself and watch it. Man, there's a Chris Paul question here that I'm going to skip. It was about Chris Paul in the pyramid because we're running out of time. I'll save it for the next time.

Tiago wanted to mention that he's forever grateful for Lee and Rose and the next has ever been a front office roster combination that saved the image of an owner more than these guys saved Olin.

“Who is considered one of the stupidest owners of all time?”

Misshan of the team for decades in the market and now they win the title. It's a really good one. Then think of like, I couldn't think of another owner that had his legacy, just flipped like that. The only one that was close was Steinbredner in '96 because they had him one for 18 years and he kind of when crazy Steinbredner in the '80s and early '90s was like, oh my god, this guy's deranged and then all of a sudden they filled around the farm system and they built this next

dinosaur and it kind of flipped the Steinbredner narrative again. So when I get to go, so deranged they had Larry David made a sign-filtre character, if you have people who are like, that sounds

And then there was this email from David Harmon because I've been talking a lot about home-filtre vantage and home-court advantage and what's happened and he reminded me that worth them in

Moscow, it's the Death Book Score Casting when we were friends. Really, the first chapter is about

home-filtre vantage, then crunched the data, the writers concluded, the single biggest factor was referee bias. They dismissed travel crowd noise, everything else, and concluded subconsciously, the refs don't want to piss off the home crowd. And then he said it's in the last 15 years, we have technology, replays, we have these referee grading systems are different, pretty good explanation, right? I got to tell you, it's a good explanation.

“I think the referees are tougher and better trained, tougher in terms of like, I don't think they care”

about the crowd. I will say, I'm getting, it's old manuals at cloud of me. I'm getting pretty close to the, how about we just review nothing solution to basketball? Just like, how about there is no reviews? Because I just, these games just take forever and they're reviews set all the-- How about soccer's fast? Well, soccer, they're banging these out. And it's like, how is this 100 times easier than basketball? Are they stopping the clock for the hydration break

in the world? Yeah, okay, so at least stop in the clock for that. Yeah, because I would love to introduce soccer to the stopwatch to great, great advantage. Seven, seven minutes. I'm just going to do seven. Everyone go with that? Seven. I haven't been funny that did that for a game five of the finals. The spurs now have two extra minutes for, okay, I guess it's four, four on the dot. Caleb wants to know Jimmy Butler to ban it a trade from Minnesota because he hated playing with

towns and wagons. And now wagons and towns are now champions. But there is not, and like we whatever, be one, is he gonna stand the summer? I thought it was going to, the question was going to go the other way and say, who has been most wrong exiting a team about the internal makeup of the team they exited. Pretty crazy though. Yeah, and then just like Cat and Wiggins got it done. Couple more really quick. OG, Lawrence from Toronto, Asseb, OG is the Goat Player with no

all star selections. Right now, probably Andrew, Andre Miller was in the lead before that finals. So I did the research. You want to hear the, I did a deep dive. Basketball reference, I looked at

“OG stats and only regular season stats because that's the only way you can do it. And I went”

over 7,000 career points. He's right around 7,200, PR above 13 win shares above 35 value over a place and player above 10 because that's where he is. No all star appearances. The most points

scored for, the answer is no. I just, despite the fact that you can, you know, you have to account

for what just happened in the playoffs, like 21 a game on insane shooting, the iconic tip in, I mean, Eddie Johnson has 19,000 career points and never made an all star team. My, our friend, Eddie Johnson from, yes, Johnson and terminate. I was surprised too. He's on this house. No all stars. No all stars is not in all stars, part of my story. But he deserves it. He's a yoke achievement. I had a Johnson. That's what you got for hating yoke. Andre Miller's up there.

CJ McCollum just in the news today. Like three games into this playoffs would have been the answer to this question. And I just think there are too many Sam Perkins is on here. Robert Ori is on here. That's an interesting one. Oh, Robert, Ori is a good one. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, a lot of, at least you also wrote them because I, Sam Perkins is a nice one too. Yeah. No, there's a lot of, um, there was Michael Cooper, Marcus Campbell, Jason Terry,

“Lamar Odom is, is on here. There's some good ones, Tony Koukoch. So what do you think the answer is?”

I think the answer is I can't, I right now know just because like the career stats are in his

miscarriage. He's another like seven eight years. Yeah. But but because those guys are pretty like Jamal Crawford as 19,000, some points. Those are pretty accomplished dudes. Grand Hill is, I'm sorry, good George, I saw George Hill. George Hill, forget it. No, Grand Hill. Your God George Hill. I just think there are too many like Aaron Gordon is a good one for this, uh, another like, you know, championship, second, third wheel. That's a really good one. And, and put us from the stats.

So I mentioned Mario McHale Bridges by the way. He's on this too. Consecutive Game Street, that he's kind of miscarriage. Mark, I messed up this email. He said, he watched without limits, couldn't help but wonder if the next figured out the bill, bowerment, success equation. And it basically how he told Steve Prantay and stopped front running because he'd lose. You're running out your gas and getting spursed out. I screwed this up when I did the pod and I

talked about how he would roar from behind. Bowerment was the one that was like you're

we're doing with the billbowerment strategy of they would let the spurs punch subsubs out. And then come in late. So I wanted to apologize to him. Okay. This is the last one's act. Jeff M. He said in honor from in honor of from Hell month on the rewatchables. To come in this week. I wanted to present the case on the pacer's having one of the worst from Hell years in sports history. We lose the final after our billbots start tears as a kill as a

game seven after hitting three threes. The same star gets shingles, derilling his recovery. Our tank season is rewarded by losing our lottery pick at a 50/50 coin flip. Our arch nemesis wins the championship without having to play us. And simultaneously kills the halbernt and shot in Regie Miller. It's been one gut punch after another. I fully suspect halbernt and get attacked with African SB's this summer. I've been riding with you for almost 20 years

by far my longest relationship. That's Jeff M. And then Samir chimed in. I've had enough of everyone applaud in the 26 nicks without mentioning that everyone went through the team that knocked

“them out the last two years. I can't remember another NBA team who just got to avoid beating their”

bug about team to win it all. Just a brutal way to wrap up the most devastating pacer's year. So I got a lot of pacer emails like this. And when you talked about winners and losers, I think

the net's were the biggest loser of that finals. I think the pacer's were like second. The

pacer's a year ago were riding high with their fans. And a year later on top of everything I'll set happen, then they had to watch the next win the title. It's brutal. You know, it's funny that it didn't pop into my head that way. It funny because the halbernt and shot has been so in my mind because of what happened in game one of the conference finals this year. Where the nicks pull the reverse comeback and have the shot that hits the rim and bounces in. So it's not like that team's been

forgotten. But yeah, you're right. The pacer's eliminated the next two years in a row. The first one, I didn't just just like ran out of players. I think they were the better team in that series problem. Yeah, just like everybody got hurt, including Brunson in the last game and it'll be

“could barely move if you remember that. But yeah, I mean, look, the pacer's this is why they're”

one of my more interesting teams coming into the next season. A, like half their team is extension elves will and B. They just made the zubot straight that became a little bit more painful for them than maybe they anticipated. But they're loaded for barren extra. Like why not why not them as your East favorite? Why not the biggest question would be halbernt and let's take

it a look like next year. Agreed. But zubots will be better for them. They basically have

everybody else back in some form. Same coach, all that stuff. And I got an email from Marcie, a couple of people asked this to the halbernt actually getting hurt in game seven is that officially move into like one of the higher levels of great what ifs. Absolutely. I had no question. It's also like, if they win that game, does all the Brunson stuff happen with halbernt last year to some degree. It probably in his stats weren't as good. He was 18 nine and six in the finals. Brunson

33 in the fight. Like there was something different to what Brunson has done. But halbernt was in the vicinity. What if Oklahoma City has still has not won a title? Like what I'd be again, if we're doing what ifs, like they lose that finals. And then this year happens exactly what as it happened. And they're still like, what is this all season like for them? If they haven't won a title. It's also like the one of the most, I mean, there's been obviously like

gruesome injuries happen more than you would like there was just one in a soccer game the other day for Canada, right? Like those are horrible. But in terms of just like taking away the drama and of a big moment like that, I can't remember anything quite on that level to the point that when Brunson went down in game one of these finals, I had like PTSD from that like you did not do not like we've just spent a week piping up this finals. Everyone is beyond

amped up. Please do not let this be a thing that just erodes the finals. And like that, I can't remember ever feeling like they're in a game like that was game seven, forget that he starts hot and all that. It's like this magical run by a team that pretty much no one saw getting

that far in the playoffs and they might actually never won the title. Never won the title, um obviously

ABA that I guess but thank you most here's again. But like just and then the whole game was weird effort, even the Patriots being weren't the Patriots ahead at halftime by like or was it was like a one point game at halftime? It's just it felt like you were a zombie the rest of the night. SGA talked about it during the playoffs actually saying he wanted to win again because it was so weird the way they won the title the first time. He almost wanted a normal version of the same

experience. That however and thing was like a black cloud over that whole night. All right,

“Zach Low, doing a podcast tomorrow? I think so we we're all kind of on Janis waiting on”

Janis and we're called like we're like doctors, we're on call with Janis. Yeah and then you have the mercy of Janis. I have a busy sports fan week coming up and so we're gonna have to find ways

stadium they're playing in Toronto watching Croatia played Panama and I can't I really it's my first

“international soccer game first big international soccer game ever. I really wanted to just like”

I want the I want to sing the songs I want to drink I don't want to be sober. Now I got to be sober because the draft is going to be happening who knows I might podcast that night after the game. I'm robbed of like full hooliganism. I'm robbed of it but just just just pod the next day. Just have the whole experience. I'll be there with my my Croatian brothers and sisters who got a good but got to win this one. Got to win. Got to get a W. All right good luck. Thanks for popping on. Gonna bring in a

Joe House right now to recap the US openly. Bye Zach. Bye have fun. It's house coming on. I see a

black a black screen. I still see a black screen. Can you hear me? There he goes. Yeah we did it.

There he is. It's that blow. Bye Zach. My voice. I saved one last meal bag question for you before you tell us what happened to US open. Let's go because we did a bunch of pacer ones but I had to

“save this specifically for you. Connor from Indianapolis did the last two years of need in a”

pacer's mirror the plot and bookie nights. Up until game seven and 20 25 finals being a pacer's fan was like being a 1970s dirt digler fan. Things were looking great. Then the ball dropped and it's 1980. Haliburton gets taken out like little bills wife. The team tanks and loses their pick like Gamebrwaves loses custody of a kid. All while seeing the rival the next replace them like Johnny Doe. Watching the pacer's a league pass was as bad as dirt's music career. Can you give us more sports

parallels to the cast of bookie nights with the pacer's keeps going. So that would make Kevin Richard the GM is Jack Warner. Haliburton is dirt. Pascal Siakha Masamber Waves. It's my dough Joe. We got to do somebody. Kevin Richard is is worse than Jack. I Kevin Kevin Richard was in the number. Yeah. He should be in jail for what he did. That's with that fact. Yeah. No hard as read route child. I was really good. Aaron Neesmith as roll the girl. Sure.

You never know when he's just going to pop in and change a game. TJ McConnell is Becky Barnett.

OG Toppin is buck. It's pretty good. I never know where he fits in, but he's always ambitious. Miles Turner definitely little bill. Just out. Master in his Todd Parker. Todd.

“And then uh, Bronson's Johnny Doe. And I think that's it. I think that's it for the bang. Yeah,”

but you know it's a pacer's for you. Okay. So we started this live podcast during the last few holes of the U.S. Open. I assume when Clark was going to take care of business. You're going to be talking about it with Nathan later. It's a net up fairway wrong. But he made it a little hairy. He won by a stroke. What happened? He bogied the 17th hole, which is a part three. He was on on the green and you know, he left himself. This was part of his true secret sauce. This entire golf

tournament. He made so many uh, cars from, you know, 10 feet from six feet from 13 feet. He saved par like crazy. And then it came all the way down to the very end. And the 17th hole he had a reasonable five or six footer, um, and any of that's it. You jacked it, but he he validated because he came out on the 18th hole. He uh, his approach was short as he was 52 feet from the hole on his uh, the put that he had on the 18th hole. He needed to to get down into to win the golf

tournament and he put it to like two inches. I mean, it was an awesome put that he made on 18th. So you run for the playoff. And you asked, I don't you're not a big windom car guy. Well, I don't, I don't, I'm gonna pick on the loan in that uh, yeah. Can we dive into this? Sure. Yeah. So he wins wire to wire and he's American and see us open. And yet you could feel it in the crowd all weekend, um, tap at a pause for the good shots. And then uh, if something bad happened, you could hear a

couple of people doing like cheering over today. It was just what it seems like all these little tiny things that he did, but nothing major, but they all added up and people have just decided I don't like this guy. Well, there was a back-to-back speaking of major, uh, a bit of misbehavior last year. It's 2025 at the PGA championship. He threw his driver snapped it and it came close to hitting somebody behind him. He was angry with the shot with his driver, snapped it through it and almost hit

somebody. And maybe that person shouldn't have been there. Well, that person shouldn't have been behind the team. I mean, that person was not in the right. It should not have been in harm's way. And then he, uh, the real cherry on top of the, the, the, the most infamous misbehavior was at

great courses, a great US Open menu with all of this history. Like when you walk into the clubhouse, the history, it's the same, you know, floors that people have been walking on. And when you go up to the locker room, they still have the wooden benches that have spike marks that are there that have been there for 80 years or so. And homie played terrible on, thank Friday and went up in there with some kind of weapon and smashed in one of these lockers that have been there for, you know,

decades. Um, and kind of rolled out without going or, you know, doing the program. That's going

“to my bad. That's what I'm analyzing in my bad. And so, um, you know, he's been living with that”

since. And, and it really made him unpopular. And there was not a giant act of, of remorse and contrition to follow quickly enough. I think for at least sort of golf sickos to, to where it was clear, like he, he has owned it since then. And he did, you know, pay for restitution. He did make a chair. So he basically became Patrick Reed from this a little bit. Yes. And, and you know, in some respects, we've been missing speaking of Patrick Reed, a villain in golf. I was going to say

all this sounds great. Like we always talk about how fucking boring golfers are. Then we have

a guy destroy a locker at Oakmont. Everybody's like, put him in fucking jail. You're right. Put it at the same jacket. Definitely a little bit so mad. But, pick a side. Do we want charismatic, fucking crazy golfers or just boring guys? What do we want? Well, he, he got his act together. And

“today was especially, uh, compelling because the entire crowd was rooting for Scotty Sheffler,”

who he was playing with. He was, the crowd was rooting for Scotty Sheffler because it was Scotty's chance to win the grand slam. His first chance to complete the grand slam. He didn't have it. I watched the first 15 holes before we went live on Netflix. And he just, he couldn't get it going. Yeah, he can make a lot. I mean, he can get over it. He was getting, you know, his, his, especially on the back, his approach play was very good. He was putting himself in position and

make Bertie's just couldn't get any of those puts to drop and Clark hung on. He got out to far enough lead on Thursday. He just hung on for dear life. I mean, after Thursday, he shot two over par over his remaining three rounds. But not the right two over for you because you had, you were shorting him yesterday. I sure did. I was with him yesterday with some wagers. That's true. I had him over 71 and a half strokes yesterday. Did that today? Did you have that today? I didn't touch it

today. I left alone. They're all all the betting. Well, he did. It was a classic. He's up six. Whoa, now is up three. Yes. Yeah. Like within like half hour of an internment started. It was regression built into the performance, uh, especially yesterday. I mean, he really pulled the, the Saturday round, even par out of his butt. I mean, it was a miracle that he saved par from from several places. And he, he had really did the, the whole of the tournament was the eagle that he made on 16 on Saturday

in front of no fans whatsoever. Because yesterday, Saturday, they started the, the final groups off at 345, three, you know, three, 30 in the afternoon because they wanted for television purposes to for it to be some prime time. And for that golf course, you know, out there in the Hampton's to get some of that late afternoon glow. Everybody got the fuck out of there. Everybody's like, I'm sticking around to watch this. There's trains that take two hours to get to New York. So the golf

course is basically empty. But the shot of the tournament was his approach on the 16th hole. He

made eagle. The only guy, the entire golf tournament to make eagle on 16. And that, that to me, was really the thing. Well, he won by a stroke. So that ended up winning him the tournament. Yeah. And then Sam Burns was, was great today. I got to see his whole round of the chart. He did it for the footer at one point and did the whole thing. But it was just, he had touched on 17 and 18. If either one of those fall, now he didn't really make a great stroke on the on 17,

but on 18, that ball was half a rotation from going into the hole. And then we would have had to play off and then that would have been something. With that event, 18 hole play off or just have said no, so they changed that rule. It's now a like two hole aggregate. And I think they play the same hole on on repeat. That's right. I forgot. They did that. It's just a little while.

“Yeah. Just just, I remember that. All right. So what's your grade for the tournament overall?”

Yeah. It sounds like it was like all the golf threads were on and all the people we know. Everybody like really seem like they enjoyed rooting against Windham Clark. Just like a fun it's a fun rickle for a golf tournament. It was like we don't really have the American villain ever. Yeah. We didn't get kind of the carnage that this golf course can deliver because there was

anticipated wind in the forecast Thursday and Friday. And it never really materialized. Windham

was what one on the golf tournament. 64 Thursday afternoon when the winds were supposed to be at

their worst. So that piece of it. And there was some complaints. The USDA was very careful to not have the golf course get away from them to where the balls were going to be because of the wind. You know, just rolling off really nearly. So they watered the golf course. And there was some complaints that it was a little bit too easy earlier on. But you know, I give it the whole thing overall. I guess the solid B. I mean, why are the wires pretty impressive out of wind them? He

went out and did did the damn thing. And we got one hard charge out of Sam Burns on Sunday, which is I guess all you could ask. We needed somebody to do it. Yeah. Six stroke lead going into Sunday. You know, leaves a lot to be desired in terms of the drama. But we got some drama.

“I'm asking Claude right now how many two time U.S. champions in golf have their been?”

What's the answer? I think six seven. U.S. He won this couple years ago in 23. Yes, many wins this one. It's more than six or seven. Fud still thinking. Yeah. It's more than six. Tiger and Jack both have multiple 24 men. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I've done it. I was thinking about there was a stat about how quickly

guys have won, you know, after you win one, how quickly do you win your second? And he's in in the top

handful of guys. He did it, you know, in pretty short order. Where's he in the the pecking order for American golfers now? Pretty high. Yeah. I mean, he immediately puts he changed his his putter at the masters this year. And he was like putting a hundred and thirty fifth on tour going into that tournament. Now he's number one on tour. And it was his putter that saved his ass all week long. And now it seems like the guy's the limit with the confidence that he has putting wise because,

you know, this this genococcus an enormous putting challenge. And, you know, he he was all around though. Very good off the tee. He was in the top 15 in his short game. He was top 15. And his

“putting he was top five. That's how you win a U.S. Open. But he's he's a fucking drives too.”

Jesus. Yeah. Well, because they they had the benefit of a very firm golf course. So lot, you know, Bryson had a four hundred and one yard drive on the 18th hole before he missed the cut on Friday. But the yeah, that was your best pick of the week. Thank you. Yes. I did you shorted Bryson. You said he wasn't going to make the cut. And what was it like four to one? Uh, no, no, no, not went way down. It started off near two to one for the week. And then as it

got to be Wednesday going into Thursday, America woke up and jumped on I would like to say very humbly on Broadway rolling two weeks ago. I said, I am betting to win at the U.S. Open, wind them Clark and Sam Burns. I had two picks that were from weeks ago. But I said, I just want to have some money down at the time. Sam Burns was 40 to one. And at the time, wind them Clark was 35 to

“one. So, um, you can just see those both of those guys coming in in in very good. Well, you should”

text me that info as you're asking a bar of money to pay for your Saturday, wind them Clark bets. Well, you could also let's just go. I'll just send you. You could listen to the show. I mean, that would be another. I'm just trying to, you know, because you think I killed that Saturday. I got to tell you when them was going to hit like a 75. I thought he's going to shoot 73. I didn't think there's so much to bet on right now. It's at, I mean, this world cup.

I'm just waiting into these. I'm not even asking to bundle anybody. I'm just like, uh, Belgium. All right. I walked right into it, hence put Turkey into a parlay for us,

even the after I swore off Turkey. I told everybody. They've never been on Turkey again.

All they did was was take shots on the net that didn't go in for two feet Turkey. Sounds obitious. Oh, and I did a three team parlay and Friday. And that was the last piece. It was like four to one. And then all they did was just shoot the ball over the net and head the ball to the side. We said don't bet on Turkey anymore and then we did it because we're really about paragliding. What part of us? What team is Yannis on? I miss you and I want to

but we don't know. He's going to wait until the most inappropriate time possible to the trade is going to be announced. The draft. Yeah. I was pick up the draft one minute for the draft. I've loved the world cup though. Are you, did you get patriotic on Friday? Oh, I mean, you know, it's must TV at this point now. This is because of how dominant U.S. was against Paraguay. And the like eye-opening reaction to the soccer by the soccer community,

taking U.S. serious like, well, if the soccer community is invested in this team and thinks that they're capable of great things. And I want to see it. I want to see what they're capable of. And I thought that performance against Australia. That was a trap game. But they didn't get

that guy McKinney. I feel like he's the, the straw that stirs the drink. I love, I honestly, they

“had the most likable group of dudes they've had. I love Jedi. Hey, the Freeman. How about that?”

Anthony Freeman's son. Amazing. Unbelievable. We've been begging for. Yeah. Right. These guys are badass. It's a good thing he's got our athletes. I didn't feel like we flop that much. I just really, uh, ball guns been great. Um, we'll get Policic healthy. That's the key. What's happening with your team on Tuesday night? They're good as well. I sure do. Yes. I do think that because they're

trying that this always happens around the draft or it's like sources say the the wizards taking

a longer look at their and Peterson. It's like they're taking AJ. My phone has sources say they're taking a long look at Peterson. And that's just people said, telling that saying that to me. But I,

“I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not acknowledging it. AJ won. I heard you talk, maybe I had a secret”

work out of Peterson this weekend. Okay. Um, I don't know what happens at too though. I still think they're taking Booser, but if, you know, one workout. And obviously, they have to do all the diligence on Peterson. What would you do if you read the take Booser? I've taken Booser. I think he raises their floor and for that team, what they've assembled, you want somebody that's not a question mark in any way, shape or form that can immediately come in and help the overall,

you know, help the, the, the, the, the tied rise up, you know, and be on the same time. I like having crazy front court depth and figuring it out because I think it's easier to get guards than before.

Do you have another pick though, right? No, I think that's right. You know, one of the first

“arm, and you're trying to trade Anthony Davis at some point. All right. You have to go do fairway”

rolling. Let's go. See you on Tuesday night library after the draft. Me, you check out man right afterwards. Uh, I cannot wait. We'll do winners and losers. All kinds of stuff. Maybe we don't need drunk house, but maybe like a whole couple drinks house. Yeah. I have to toast AJ. I have to welcome AJ to the city with an appropriate show. Probably maybe sing a little Washington song. Um, but thanks to Zach. Well, thanks to Joe House. I'll see you tonight. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo.

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