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The return of Wemby, after game take that a game for. Kirk Goldsbury is here. He's going to be with us throughout the podcast because we're doing a mil bag with us. Kobe later, I'll just tell you my basketball fan take coming out of this game. Because I really thought Minnesota had a genuine chance to win this series and who knows,

they might win six and seven. As a basketball fan, you're starting to really see the ceiling potential of where this spurs thing could go. Right, big spotlight, big games, more pressure now. It's like who's going to fade from this?

Who's going to jump up and you're seeing some of their guys Harper specifically? Where it's like, oh shit, like this might be happening sooner than we thought.

Which is great because I've talked about this a million times.

“I like when we have great teams that sort of grow up on, that's what I grew up on in the 80s and 90s.”

I like to see awesome teams. So basketball fan bill is like, this is cool. Spurs thunder, this is going to be great. Celtics fan bill and what are we going to talk about right months of your bill is kind of like, are we, are we headed toward a work where we might be fostered with this?

Okay, he said it's anything. Are there just going to be levitating above us for the next six, seven years? Like, talk me off the cliff. Well, it's not a cliff where I'm sitting there in such a Texas. Yeah, but yeah, dude, there was a moment at the end of the third quarter where I could see why Bill Simmons, the sports guy would feel that way, specifically with Dylan Harper attacking the

rim, finishing with his left hand hitting layups high off the glass over Rudy Gobert's outstretched arms. It's a quality rebounds and traffic. I mean, it was the whole thing. Yeah, it's the fun castle guarding Julius Randall making mold fans completely lose their mind with a Randall Stateline and I'm sure we'll talk about, but yeah, these three dudes and no disrespect to Carter Bryant, Darren Fox, but when we're talking about the brightest futures in the NBA,

and Harper do it and I don't know which castle or Harper's going to be better, but yeah, what are we talking about? We're talking about a 22-year-old Victor Wembin Yamma, a 21-year-old

Stefan Castle Bill and a 20-year-old Dylan Harper making huge plays in a second round playoff series.

The Harper thing is crazy. We knew it was good. We've been talking about it all year. In the playoffs, the stuff he's doing is like year three slash year four Kobe where he's just coming in and changing the flow of these games. He shouldn't be doing this yet. Like Kobe came into the league right out of high school and had that really rocky first series. It really started to look like kick-ass Kobe. I don't think it took midway through year two,

which is where Harper is now because he's just been in college, but for point cards, this should take longer. You shouldn't look this comfortable. You shouldn't be a two-way player already. You shouldn't be coming to games and swinging games like he's doing. I was texting somebody about this. To me, I don't say this lightly. Having Harper went back to back. I feel like I'm disrespecting

“Castle, but I think he's going to be third in this. We saw this when the Celtics added Mikael”

in that bird. We saw this when the Lakers added where they after they had magic. And we saw it when the bulls had MJ and then they were able to get pippin. I think Harper's potentially is a second banana. I think it's realistic to think this is a guy who could be as good as those guys that he could be a first team on BA guy and a really impact awesome second banana. You're watching in a real time. Everything we have learned about basketball, these teams have been

faster than they thought. These young guys come up faster than you think. And he's I love to him already. I can't believe that shit he's doing in these playoff games. Yeah, it's it's the son of Ron Harper. These moments where he feels the contact on the lane line and a lot of guards of any age would either go to the floater or like look for a kick out.

But I think he's like, oh, I'm going to lower my shoulder now and then go to this incredible

finishing package. I have through contact a lot of times. And it's just, but yeah, he has the best footwork, the best feel for the game of any young, young guard in the paint. There's times where I think Bill, he really reminds me of shit where he is just the smartest scoring guard inside the three-point line of any young player I've seen. But he was spectacular tonight. And it's particularly in the third quarter. And one of the things the sponsor will come a game in the third quarter. And

it's like, oh, here we go. This is going to be an awesome game. We both love Luke Cornet. But it's a rollercoaster. It's like when the brawn came out for those calf team and you're just like, oh my god, are are we going to survive the non-lebron? Right. We just watched the lead go away. We had that in the

second quarter in this game and it looked like to your point. It was going to happen again on the third.

And at that moment where we're dealing Harper really made a few plays on both ends of the court that just grew to lead back to a comfortable margin. I'm glad you brought up Shay. I think that's a really good comparison. And it's because of the patience and the footwork.

“That's it. He has patience already, which you should not have when you're 20. And he had the footwork”

coming in. That was one of the things that made him special. I talked about before. I was going to those Cooper games when Shay was a rookie. Harper's his way ahead of where Shay was. Well, like Shay, we thought Shay was going to be really good. I thought he was going to be like this glue guy athletic defense of guard. There was some offense there, but clearly like a winning player. Harper's like, I don't honestly don't know what the ceiling is for him. I think as long

as the SJA has the best guard in the league title now. And he's going to have it for the next couple years and Edwards is right underneath him. But I think Harper at some point in his life will wear that crown unless he gets hurt. Well, that's what I was saying. The ceiling is SGA. And I say that with a great amount of respect. I agree with you. He's one of the best guards we've seen in very long time. But when we're talking about the ceiling of this dude, that's where I would say.

And to your point, like the Oklahoma City Thunder would not have SGA if he was this good

“at doing our performances. There's no way you would get off this guy. So I think, look, that's the”

ceiling SGA is one of the best players in the world. It's not the best player in the world. But Dylan is a man. You're the historian of basketball. 20 year olds aren't supposed to do this in the NBA playoffs, right Bill? I was thinking about the Frank McKayles rookie year, the Celtics won the title. And he was a six man. They had Maxwell that bird. They had Robert Parrish. Like it was a really deep team. And he would come in sometimes and he would swing games because he had some low post

stuff. But he had the defense. And there were times, especially in the Philly series that year,

pretty special. Like, there's really something there. McKayles was like, at least two years older

than Dylan Harper. Like, if Dylan Harper after his junior year was doing this. And that's the part. I know these guys, you know, that I know they mature faster now. And I know, I get it. Like, like, we shouldn't be surprised when somebody's 20 and impacting a series like this. But you talk about later in a mailbox. We're talking about the Aaron Fox in a later segment. And like, you've Fox, you think Fox is going to be a bridge for a couple years until you can get to these

guys. And it's like, do you need a bridge? Like, what's Harper going to be like next year with a

“year under his belt, you know? Yeah. That's why I thread the needle. You do need the bridge. And I”

applaud the move to get to Aaron Fox. But this is the best case scenario where you have the depth right

now, which was huge. Tonight's been huge in the series. But you start to look out two years, three years down the road. You start to say, maybe we have too many great guards. And we don't have enough strength up front next to Wemby. Somebody to to play with NOS read Jane McDaniels. And they're playing their hearts out. And that's where the spurs look a little thin to me. It reminds me of the thunder pre-heartened scene where there are a little bit soft in the middle sometime. That's a good

comparison. Yeah. So Carter Bryant played 12 minutes today and killed in Johnson played 22 and was great. And that's kind of, that's kind of their their patchwork size next to Wemby. They don't really necessarily. I actually think Carter Bryant's gonna end up being that guy. The piece like I was thinking about in context with the with the timber wolves who after game one, I thought there was a real case like, wow, this is two straight conference finals for them. San Antonio's young, not quite

ready yet. And I really felt like it was a 50/50 series after game one. The odds then were a fuck that. And now I'm looking at Minnesota, you know, they got their asses kicked in. What did they finish shooting? 38.6. 20, 20 right there. Season average. Right. There are series average. They're shooting under 40%. And a lot of trouble. Well, a lot of trouble against the defensive pressure sometimes. And the one thing I was worried about with them, even early in this series was like,

man, they're kind of relying on my Conley hair. I don't know old guys in a series. And then you look at tonight. What was he? 16 minutes. Five points minus six. But it's, this is my Conley. Kudos to you. You're playing at this band stage. But you see the young guys, NAFUL racism in the in the in the speed that these guards are at. This is the San Antonio Advantage. When they can just put any combination of all the young guards or, you know, if they put

Vessel out there or whatever, um, really the only team that has the kind of firepower to withstand is probably okay. See. Yeah. I'm really glad you said that. There was a moment where

our man's defonned castle goes out with his third foul. Eight minutes left in the second quarter.

Yeah. And then you just see that depth coming in so important. You see, you know, everybody from Carter Bryant, Harrison Barnes, still in Harper, Keldon Johnson play the best game of the series.

“Yeah. But this is a deep team. I think it's first play 10 guys before garbage time and really the,”

the wolves are a thin eight there Bill. Yeah. They're there seven. Yeah. And that's because I mean, Dante, Diven Chenzou. And one of one to ask you about is, is the Antman's not the Antman right now. He's, he's one of my favorite players to watch on the planet. He, I believe, had fewer field goal attempts than I owed to Sunmill. Um, that is, that's not a great stat. Um, he is not attacking. He didn't have that swagger as much today. Um, they're going every other going on. Going every other

day would probably not great for him. There's a three day break. So they don't play it until Friday, could potentially help him. It's really going to help my colleague. Um, they, they got to figure out the Randall thing. He didn't shoot, he didn't shoot well again today. There's another guy that we didn't even talk about yet. I'm really proud of us. Uh, Victor Wembenjama. Oh, yeah. He, the French guy, right? Well, he won the French guy. I don't know if he saw the beginning, but he scored a lot of points

early before the take him out. Yeah. He had 16 points and like six minutes and it was a good, um, fuck everybody. I'm still mad. I got kicked out of game four. Oh, you guys. He finished with what? 27, 17 and five three blocks. He's plus 24, 32 minutes. Yeah. So you have that piece, too.

“Of, well, here's the thing that spurs fans love. So he lays an egg in game one. Okay,”

Minnesota comes to San Antonio, steals game one. And he was, he played like shit by his standards. And so you're sitting here and game two people like you are like, oh my god, come in and sort of win the series. And the whole time, Victor is prepping to come out. And he

And then obviously in game four, he gets kicked out with the elbow deservedly. By the way, as much of a spurs spurs homeers, I am, how was he going to come out in the biggest game of his

NBA career? And he came out again on fire and just dominated the first eight minutes of this game with

what was he as 16 and 11 in the first quarter? Yeah. Are you kidding? Yeah. And if I'm okay, see, think it about the next series, you know, what am I getting from JWB? I need, I need all my horses for this next series. And I don't see the Antonio, the question with them was, well, history of the league says that that nobody, nobody under 25 can lead a team, no title without having a taste of it first. No young team just that get thrown in the playoff

fire can survive that first year. And they're, I just feel like all bets are off, especially with how castles playing. But on the OKC side, they're not 100% healthy. San Antonio, you know, knock on wood. San Antonio feels like they're running on all injury cylinders. But with the Minnesota piece, pretty devastating. Like, yeah, you're in set. You win seven playoff series over the last three years. You kind of had a team built the league has these little three

four year windows with the way the tax works that you can, and maybe OKC in San Antonio be a little bit of the outliers because of their young guys. But for the most part three four years,

“that's what we just saw with the Celtics, and you try to catch lightning in a bottle for one of those”

years. Celtics caught it in 2024. They add holiday, they add poor zingas and they're just able to, you know, um, everything kind of aligns and they're spending a ton of money. If you're Minnesota, you just basically went all in. You got rid of all your picks. You're playing in San Antonio team that this is the worst version of the team you're going to play for the rest of the decade, right? You had bad luck with the different Shenzu and it's not 100%,

but he's not 80%. He's somewhere in between there. Go Bears going to be a year old or you're not going to have a con lane. You're not going to really have a way to get better. This was kind of it. Yeah. And I don't know if I'm Tim Connelly, and I guess I'm not getting the Dallas job, because they gave it to Messiah, but I don't know what my move is at that point other than dangling

“Randall everywhere. I like their position a little bit more than you. I think that I would say”

Antman still 23. Even, remember, there's a team without Ant and David Chenzu that beat Joker in a game six. I like their core. I could talk myself. I think Finch is a really good coach. This is, you know, this is where I wonder if our standards are too high for too many teams. Like they made the final four to the last two years. They have one of the best young players in the league. Can they get through with McDaniels Antman, Go Bear, Nause? I kind of like that core bill, and

I don't know. We'll see the one thing that I think you would I will agree on. Is it's very annoying to have Alex Rodriguez in the conversation? I love these guys, and I want them to do well. But I was like, yeah, I wonder what A-Rod wants to do with such a sucks for me as a Red Sox guy. Well, it's interesting that, I mean, I agree with you. They made the final four to the

“years in a row. They knocked out Denver. I think they've done a nice job going toe to toe with”

San Antonio in the series, Michael seven for all we know, and then it was not over. Who knows with young guys in a game seven. I was just thinking holistically the goal is to win the title. Yeah. And you have Ant who is one of the best five or six guys in the league. And you have this veteran team around him. You have a real identity and you have defense and all kinds of

things. And it's tough man. These windows closed fast. You just never know. Like we don't know.

Go bear, go bear. I think has defied the aging stuff to some degree. Because usually we see these centers start to get a little mommiation, a little gamey right around now. I don't feel like a hundred percent he has. But the bigger thing to me is there's not a lot of moves. And you're in this arms race with these two teams that no case he is 13 first routers over the next six years, that to mention all the other shit they have. And that to mention, AJ Mitchell emerging is like the break

out star of the playoffs that we weren't expecting. So, um, I don't know. I'd be really bummed if I'm a wolf spank because they never even made the finals. Yeah. I kept wondering like, man, I don't know the math. The seller cap is not my expertise but like keeping the killouts and or walk or last year. They could have used him in this series. Obviously, they're often to

struggle. And he's such a good player in Atlanta. He would have cost him like a hundred million

dollars a day. A year if they have to. Like the weather taxes. There you go. Like three times as much for him. Yeah. So, but yeah, that's like you're alluding to it. Like the new CBA makes it nearly

Let's do drafters in places. Yeah. Right, which is what the best teams in the west have done with

“RCB for Brian Wright and Sam Prestey's work in Hennel, Oklahoma City. So, yeah, I don't know. I think”

Sandman still going up. I think you have a lot to be happy about Minnesota, but yeah, I think anybody in the west to your earlier point is staring at these two sugarnots now at the top of the standings. You know, like, what are we going to do? And by the way, we're not breaking new news. This has been a storyline in the entire season. It's just feeling more real to me because I think

Minnesota is really good. Right. They got their asses kicked in the second half of that game today.

Where it was like Jesus, you know, in that home team supposed to win a game five, I get it. But it would be ask you to play with that. Just feel like San Antonio is getting better to me, which is the part that would scare me if I'm Minnesota. They're getting better every day. Yeah. Here's my question for you. If Minnesota hypothetically in the eastern conference is a three or a four seed this year, that team to go into the conference finals, right? Yeah. I would say

“well, the nicks are on this heater right now. But I, you know, I think they're built pretty similarly with,”

you know, two teams that are, they have a little bit of a window. I think the nicks are a little bit of a lightning in a bottle, like the 2425 Celtics are where the way their roster set up, it's only going to get more expensive, whether they're going to have the appetite to keep paying for it. We'll see. Towns is contract goes up. Bridges is extension. I think kicks in next year. If it didn't already kick in, but it just gets pricey to keep Mitchell Robinson's going to be a fridge.

Let's see what we were at. Like, you do have these windows. And I think the next talent, competitive wise, a guy going gets the best guy in the other team. Like, they have the pieces to at least throw some haymakers. But I would have said that about Minnesota too. Yeah. I'd like Minnesota's position a little bit more than you. I think they're hoping expansion happens and they move to the Eastern Conference because they all of a sudden they're having no such looks a

little bit better, right? Yeah. Let me ask you this. I wrote this down. Of course, I'm going to ask you this here, my only guest, and it's just two of us. If we do get OKC San Antonio next round, I think this is the best series in eight years. Okay. I like this straight. Yeah. I'm so I'm fired up. Yeah. Just and now you can say, oh, there's been a lot of good series. I'm not talking about entertainment value. I'm talking about talent, ceiling of the teams and the matchups that I went through

“all the, all the, we've had a lot of entertaining series. I think you have to go back to 2018”

when the rockets played the Warriors. The series, Chris Paul, and I'm getting heard in and the Warriors are going for back to back. I think that's the last one with this kind of level of two

teams that are basically mid 60s, wins teams, maybe even better that have a lot of guys at the

peak of their powers or on their way up. And last that years, we haven't had a series like that. We had the 2017 finals and we had 2016 Golden State versus OKC and then Golden State versus Cleveland. I think those were probably the the three best series of the last four best series the last 10 years and talent wise next round would be on the level of San Antonio finishes. And it also for for the the old guys like us, it's like, oh, this does feel start to feel like a power struggle

that's more than a year long. It feels like it's going to feel like this for a while, like a pit, a pistons bowl situation or a next bowl thing where it's just we've had there's thousands of those examples. But yeah, if that happens, Bill, like Wemby and Shea, to me, they're the two best players in the world right now. And is that crazy? Right now, it's I'm just, I think he's out of it now. Yeah, just some of the defensive stats we're seeing from Wemby, the fact that the

Minnesota timber wolves are shooting like 37% when he's on the floor in five games is his

defensive impact is so incredible. But yeah, I think there's two of the best players in the

world, best young cores in the league, great coaches, great organizations. I think you're right to look at it like that. Well, it's one of the things of a classic. Nalyability, too, with line ups, teams that can throw different looks at you depending on what the situation is. Both teams can go smaller, they can play three guards, they can play three guards a shooter in the center, they can go bigger, too, to some degree. Okay, see, probably can do that a little bit better,

because as we said San Antonio feels like there may be one, one bigger guy short. And then there's this roughing up Wemby thing, which, you know, it's funny, like, that I didn't get a chance to talk about

did seem like he sized him up for a second. But it was also 15, not to defend Wemby, but it was 15 small to medium things that led to him being mad enough to whip an elbow at somebody. Yeah. Because you could tell the whole series, Minnesota's like, let's keep banging on this guy, let's keep fucking with them. Let's keep knocking him down, like, just stay physical, stay physical. I'm old enough to remember when this was the strategy against Karim. Karim, Karim punch

like five guys, including he broke his hand punching camp uns and they're breaking, uh, campets and job, but Karim, you could go find him on YouTube. Karim knocked down or knocked out multiple guys,

“because he would just get fed up. Shaq was the other one we had, which Shaq, I think only,”

maybe he tried to punch Brad Miller. There was a few others, but Shaq, they would always pull

his shoulders and, you know what, you couldn't do the same stuff you did to Wemby. He was more like you tried to like kind of wear him down, um, almost like a boxer when you keep clenching a boxer. And he would get frustrated too. Wemby's gonna have to deal with this as whole career. Minnesota's testing him. Okay. See his guys that will do it too. This is, yeah. This is what you have, Lou Dort. And I remember when I worked at the spurs, we used to complain about the contact allowances

are so different for interior players than for guards, even back then. Yeah, last decade. It was, it was crazy to watch, like, drama on double arm bar, Lamarcus, for instance, or Tim. And just like, okay, that's cool. But I think it's really interesting to compare the whistles of guards who

“attack versus a Wemby. Like, you cannot lay a finger on an attacking guard in this league.”

But the things that they're doing in Minnesota, by the way, this is great. This is very intelligent game plan. Do it until they call it, uh, continued to make a couple times. Yeah. They're, McDonald's shoved them out of bounds on the, on the play. They missed that. Not that they beat up Nause for something they had been doing. And again, like, this isn't sour grapes. Do it until they call it. They hadn't been calling, especially in game four. But to me, it just really

makes me think about how different the whistle is for different kinds of players. And Wemby gets fouled a lot more, uh, than, then get called. Uh, and that is as old as the history of the game, to an extent. But it's really frustrating in a time where the guards are getting so many tiki tack calls to watch Victor get pushed around like that. Yeah, I don't like it either. Shack, you talked to listen to a podcast with anyone who played against Shack. There's like,

yeah, we've found the shit out of them. We're going to call everything. He's 380 pounds. Like, what else we're going to do? Or else he just would have dunked every time. Um, I'll be

“interested to see a Friday night. I think they dial up all that stuff with Wemby and you have”

the Minnesota crowd. You have ant on the three days rest. Yeah. You have a timbre of steam. They're on the brink and a lot of different ways because it's not going to get any better next year. Right. The West is going to be Denver will load up in some way. Utah is going to be out of nowhere, a contender. The lakers are going to try to improve the team Dallas is going to be better night to the West is just going to be better all the way around. Yeah. And it's going to be hard to

cement being the third best thing. What happens if Houston gets better? You know, you just don't

what happens if you honest gets straight away on these teams. You just don't. The clippers are getting the number five pick. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Impressive Wemby game. I'm just blown away by this verse like to watch young guys play like this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. This is something that should be two years from now happening. And it's just like it's sped up. It's like listening a podcast at 1.5 speed or something. They're hitting these check marks. Yeah. I like the harbour

thing just breaks my brain. Point cards don't do that at age 20. They're not supposed to have control of playoff games for eight nine minutes. So anyway, before we go, they're a morgue I've fired today or front. The Philadelphia 76ers general manager. Friend of mine for a long time. I've

always tried to stay. You know, always weird to talk about, but I always tried to be neutral if they

did stuff I didn't like. I would say it if they did stuff I liked that said. So you knew there is going to be a fall guy after a pretty embarrassing sweep to the next where you had 70, 80 percent next fans. No last two games. And there's a couple different things you could probably point to the MB to extension. The McCain trade seemed for some reason to be the catalyst for people to really turn on them. And a good example of like Sam Prestey has it right. I never was saying anything.

Darrell talks, you know, sometimes it was on detriment made the sell high comment with McCain. The irony is he traded McCain because they they clearly told him to get into the luxury tax.

value to trade grimes without taking a contract back, which is hard. And in the McCain case, they got

“picks and other stuff. The McCain was kind of buried behind two guards, but that became the catalyst.”

So when I look at the job that he did in Philly, which was really up and down, like some some really big hits and some some misses too. I guess my question, are they in a better or worse place than when he took over? Because he was able to get them out of the Ben Simmons thing. He was able to trade hard in and get some pretty decent picks from the Quippers back. I mean, I think one of them is unprotected in in a 28 or 29 VGA Edgecom. They pulled that off or they now have Maxi and Edgecom as

like the centerpiece of the doing. So to me, this isn't like, oh my god, this guy fucked our team up. But at the same time, I wasn't surprised at all. So why wasn't I surprised? Yeah, I think your worse contract draft, which we'll talk about a little bit later, is the number one reason when you look at what you guys had determined the one and two worse contracts in the entire association right now. Darrell did those deals. He did it with Paul George and he did it with Joelle

and B. And what do they have in common? These are guys on the wrong side of their prime.

Yeah. And he is committed to paying them ridiculous amounts of money in this second apron era.

“So that's what's, that's what's it. If they only had one of those deals, you'd be like, oh my god,”

they have a really good team building opportunity here to get over. But their hand cuff, I mean, if Paul George is going to be healthy or if Joelle and B's going to be healthy, but even I've seen this for too long to know that's just not going to happen. So that's ultimately what it is. I don't think it's like a disgraceful firing. I just think this thing, they needed to refresh it. I think Darrell will get another job. Yeah. But ultimately,

if I had to hang it on something bill, I would say those two contracts, the Paul George and Joelle

and B, that's what got it done. I would add a third one. In this sort of Ben controversial,

but I also, you know, I was used to joke that Darrell has no motion in any of this stuff. Like he's just going to do with what the analytic move is at all times. Like that's the McCain trade. There's no motion tied to that trade. Like if if you and I were his conciliaries and he was about to make that trade, we would say, young man, filly fans really like this guy. And if you do this and he goes and plays well in okay C, they're going to be fucking pissed and

this is Philadelphia. Like, I don't know. Like, figure out another way to get into the luxury tax, right? But he's he's analytics. That's just the way he piles ahead. I said this at the time, the move was to trade in bead when before the next got towns, when the next were clearly desperately trying to, you know, make that all these picks have made an impact. And they had a real relationship with the bead. They had worldwide west and they had land roads who were like those

“those are in beads guys. Lincoln rose was, that was his agency. You know, and I think at anyone,”

they valued him the most. And you just had in bead coming off these two seasons where he put

the most games he'd ever played. And it was like 66 and 63. His stock was never going to be higher.

The history of centers and guys that size is usually going to start doing this. And I just think he could have gotten a fucking mother load from filly. Now with the fans have been happy that I don't know. But I think in retrospect, hard to say, but in retrospect, the move is like I'm selling high, not on Jared McCain, but on Joe L. M. B. Right now. Yeah, that's probably right. And one more thing on the McCain thing. I always liked to laugh at, like if Sam Presty is very interested in one of

your guys. Hang on. Yeah, it's go back and be like, oh, what, what are we doing? That's our best player, or what a break. Don't trade with that guy. He would Pat Riley was in his prime or RC but you've heard in his absolute prime and they were on the phone. People would be afraid to deal with them because they had such respect for these guys basketball opinions. Why would they want that guy? Oh, yeah, hang up the phone bill. The brewers are like this, too. The red socks have traded

for him two years and row with the brewers. They basically have Sam Presty in the baseball and got fleece each time. So, yeah, so for Darrell, this is a 20 year run for him, right? He got hired by the Rockets in '06. Took over the team in '07, had the whole Rockets run. Came really close, had some bad luck, especially Chris Paul getting hurt is a great injury. What if, yeah, we have injury. What is every year? That's a really good one because they had game seven in home. They were

toe to toe with the Warriors. The Warriors were a little rundown at that point from 15, 16, 17, 18. They were vulnerable. Their team chemistry was going on a little sideways and then they missed

felt like that team was ever going to actually make the finals. I never felt like they were.

“Philly, he sort of walked away from that moory ball. I'm going to push the edge of the”

calculator over further than anybody else and it felt like this, this Philly era moory was more conventional, just signing the superstars and maybe even antithetical to some of the analytics movements, including like, hey, dude, have you ever seen aging curve? Like, don't overpay guys in their 30s. That's not something we should be doing. So, you know, it definitely never really felt like a Darrell culture had set up in Philadelphia, like your year alluding to these

legendary teams with hardened and dantoni and Houston that that sort of changed the sport pill forever. And people say stuff and I agree with that, but that it was staff shoot them and it was Mike and Darrell building that whole team around the three-point shot that changed his league forever. Also, the spending isn't a small thing either, right? Yeah. You know, the knicks are spending right now. That's one of the reasons they have a really good team that been aggressive. Golden

state during the whole run, spent a ton of money to try, you know, try to put together good teams. The Celtics famously spent so much money that the dinner check came this season. They had to make all these trades. Or else they would have had to pay, you know, 300 million luxury tax.

“Philly is not done that. They have not spent Philly and honestly Philly and I don't think Denver”

really has either. They've been two teams that had, you know, two of the best players of this decade,

but always were pretty responsible with how they spent. I don't know if that would have made a difference

with Philly, but it did make a difference with little stuff like the McCain trade. My last thing is my first games were at the spectrum in Philly in the 80s with Barclay and Dr. Jay when they, they overlapped and I was really stunned by the number of nicks fans in the building in Philadelphia. And I wonder if that played into it and I wonder, could you imagine that ever happening in Boston or Madison Square Garden? It was kind of crazy, right? Philly, I think has a

stronger backbone than that. What are your thoughts? I never, if you go back to the Dr. Jayera and even go back, you can go back and you too, watch some of their home games. That like huge crowds. I always thought, when I was growing up, I always felt like they were a flyer city, more than anything. That was their team and Philly's obviously the Eagles. And I always felt like the sixers were fourth, even though they had Dr. Jay for this great run.

I felt like it started to flip a little bit in the 80s, especially after they won the title. And then when we got to the 90s, they had a really bad run there, they trade Barclay. I just think that's an Eagles town first. And I don't know if the Philadelphia 76ers ever got there. The process was pretty weird, man. Like if we're going to do like a deep dive on, huh, how do you end up with 80% next fans out of home playoff game? Maybe you got to look backwards

and what did the process really accomplish? Because you're losing four years of fans you have a chance, young fans trying to side on a team that's like, should I like the sixers? Well, they intentionally lose every year. I'm going to like the Golden State Warriors and Steph Curry instead.

So I don't know. I'm sure there's a million different reasons for it. But I always felt like they were

not like never really the main team in Philadelphia. I think that's safe to say.

“Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. I was just surprised to see that. And again,”

we too watch these environments in Minnesota or in San Antonio tonight. It's like, man, these these crowds are electric. There's no way you're getting, you know, 30% of the lower bowl for the visiting team and these arenas, but in Philadelphia, which I think is a pretty good sports town. It's just crazy. Yeah. It's a weird one. Well, we'll see what they're. I'm sure it's going to be tough this year because I don't know how many jobs are available, but I'm sure

he'll be lurking in some way. And then I don't see him ever. He got being impressed. He could be a great podcast host who knows. So as his friend, I would almost recommend he didn't do that because I feel like that would get him in a even more trouble. But he would be amazing because he, he doesn't always have the self edit, but no, he doesn't have the filter. No, he'll just, so I don't know if I wanted to have a podcast, but anyway, and so end of an era of Philly will see

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hours before the timbre of the spurs game, we're not going to apologize. We were all together in the 2014 finals in Austin, Texas. When the spurs Tim Duncan, it was the last gas of the Duncan era, trying to pull off one last title. We were already barbecue. We shot shut all kinds of stuff. We went out. It was great. Jacobi, did you ever think the spurs would be this relevant again? I felt like the last to raw for them. We were there. I did think they would be this relevant again because

it's just very spursian of them to do this. There's only been a few dark spurs years and they're

“dark, but a lot of sunlight in San Antonio. I believe we also had Prince Jane Leane with us,”

if you remember correctly. We had Prince Jane Leane. We reunited some of the fab five, Jacko joined the fab five in the Chris Weber spot. It was emotional stuff. Correct. Did you think the spurs? I mean, granted they they nailed the lottery three years in row with three pretty obvious picks. I don't think they should get that much credit for, but three top four picks in row now they're back. But we worried that they were just going to become small market New Orleans

for the next 30 years. I wouldn't go that far. I knew they'd be back. But you're exactly right. Going one four and two and consecutive drafts. If the spurs get that opportunity, they deserve the respect here. They were going to get that right. Not only did get those picks right. Those were great one four and two. Obviously, when be castles a great four pick. And man, Dylan Harper is a great two pick. So dude, I think that the bigger story is like, I think that one four two run

the spurs just got to get them back to relevance is one of the big reasons we have new lottery rules. Well, especially they were helped out that three teams passed on Castle. We'll see other things

that really help them. I thank you for your first. I have a bunch of mail bag letters emails for us.

We're going to start with the lottery. And this is because it just happened. I don't know if you guys saw it, but the lottery happened. But watch the one I did. Mike says on Monday's pod, you correctly pointed out how awkward and weird the half hour lottery telecast is. What about how lean the team representatives are when they're on camera? They just sit there stony faced. They barely even seem happy and the results are good. I am a 49 year old lifelong wizard's bullet span. I've been

rooting for a team that is not one 50 games since I was two. My son and I felt like we're going to throw up during the lottery. We've gotten the top four bouncing up the down. We won. We scream so that our dog left the room. What if instead of putting executives or former players in these seats, we get super fans? Wouldn't that be more entertaining? Jacobi, who would you put in the seats as representatives? This is easy. You've come to the right place. You know, they put in my producer

head on here. You treat it like a reality television show. So you cast the people that are best for television. Because the executives and the ex players, they've all been there done that. They're sort of like, when you sit in the press seats at the game, you're not supposed to like cheer or drink beer. It's boring. I'm going full reality television style. And we're getting

good or bad happens to them. But we're auditioning it. It's like American Idol Season 3. You agree with that, sir? Yeah, dude. The gravity of that moment, the telecastist doesn't match it. The cadence happens too fast. It's like, oh my God, what just happened? Total craziness can happen. And they like you said on the other podcast, like there's 15 minutes of nothing. And then they they don't. And it's not like I want the American Idol pregnant pause after pregnant pause

when somebody gets voted out or whatever. But dude, they don't. The gravity of the moment isn't respected on the on the broadcast. And I do think it would be fun to put Joe House and have Joe House with the six pack of beer and just let him get going. And let's see what happens when they should have confetti fall. Yeah. To me, my thesis is this bill. And you hit it on Sunday. The gravity of these moments is is monumental. We just talked about the spurs. And the broadcast

doesn't respect how important this is or how electrifying it is for these fan bases. Yeah, they seem very determined just to show us that everybody who's about to be picked has a parent. And they're all excited to be there. And wherever I go, we've got like just the most generic terrible interviews possible. And then we meet all the representatives. I don't know why.

It's not like we interview any of them. We just kind of see them for a second. I had no connection

with them. Concernipples. Like why am I here? I had so Jacobi. I had three ways this could go. And the the fan thing which Mike mentioned as well. So you have super fans. You have a contest. You basically cast the fan. You could even turn that into some sort of reality show where it's like here's how we landed on the wizard's fan. Because the thing is we're talking about who's going to win the lottery and tanking and all this shit for seven months. And then we just kind of

rip through this lottery show in 10 minutes. Like it's like a walk a shame for the league. They're there shouldn't get away with it. So celebrities, celebrity, I'm sorry, actual fans who want to contest, then celebrity super fans as the second model where you do have like your Joe House. You have, you know, you go yet land a hawks. Like pick anybody from the Atlantic music. Land a music scene, right? Gucci Man could just be there as the Hawks representative. And you

just go through. And then it's like we have it our show. We talked to each representative.

“Here's my third idea. And I'm going back to the basics. And I think this is actually the best idea.”

I think the GM should have to be there as the reps. I think this should be part of the job. And the reason I mentioned this is you have Kevin Pritchard there who's just done this all-time hitter mist trade where now it's a 50/50 chance to either be in the top four or you lose the pick to the cookers. What's better drama than that? Like we, the famous, the famous clip was Jerry West

with the with the Grizzlies LeBron one, right? Where it's like if he gets the first pick he gets LeBron,

second pick nothing. It comes up Grizzlies are second and it just cuts to him and it looks like he's the guy in Scanners who's heads about to explode. So jico's why can't it just be the GM's? Like hey guys, if you're going to be a GM of a team you're at the fucking lottery and you're going to be the representative and we get to see your reactions and this is just how it's going to go. And you have the GM's and the super fans sit beside by side. So like a crazy way super fan

just can just like turn his head and look at Pitchard and be like look at what you've done.

“Why? It was just. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Kurt hits something too. He's like the rhythm of”

it needs to dramatically change. Yeah. Because like let's let's every reveal let's discuss. You know what I mean? Like let's discuss every reveal because it does like sometimes my brain is fast enough to like figure out all of the the machinations of what it means that that team is in

the host. The host always misses one. I think we'll leak a mess in the moment that Brooklyn

lost their pick for like five seconds. Well Nagondi, you remember Nagondi last year with the sixers pick. Right. He's complete script. Well that leads to the next question from Alex and Charlottesville. He said, now that we're going to have this new lottery system with the increased volatility, how would you redesign the 30 minute telecast? How do we space out the reveals? Could we draw 16 one in front of the audience? So the NHL did this the last two years. My dad probably

the biggest fan of the NHL draft lottery. Like really genuinely loves it. And this year the Bruins. If the Maple Leafs fell from five to six, the Bruins got their pick. But they revealed that the picks in the in the correct order from one down. And the Maple Leafs won the lottery. And he said,

“even though it sucked for the Bruins, it was amazing. So I think it could be an hour. I think you”

reveal the picks. You reveal the first pick first. And then you go backwards, you know, through the top four, whatever we have with these lottery. And I think it's the actual GMs. And you just do it that way. And then you have like 20 minutes after we can explain to the audience about the ramifications.

somebody like you and Zach and Bobby Marx reminding us what this means for the Dallas Mavericks or what this means for all of these. So would you stop after each pick for like three minutes? Okay. I mean and Toby's the TV producer here. So I turn it to empty. Kobe, why can't we just have a full minute or two just be like, what does this mean for the Mavericks? Let's reset where they are. What what are the TV people thinking? I mean, yeah, I mean, that's exactly what I just said before.

And another thing is is I, I want to take it all in. I want to soak it in. It happens so fast. Right. It ties is we. Yes, pay such close attention to this league. They're like, even I am like racing up to keep up with the pace of the thing, why? Why are you doing that to me? Like, make it more dramatic and make it me fully understand exactly what all of this means. It would be funny if the Oscars did it this way and they did like it this three hour show.

And then the last like two minutes, they just race through the best five categories. Best picture. Winner, one battle. That's true. Last year when it was, it was, it became down to the the spurs and the maves last year, right? And it was like, holy shit, are the spurs going to get

“Cooper flag? Like, right, you need to take like five minutes. Just a minute. Just a minute. It'd be like, five minutes.”

Dude, like, oh my god, this is incredible for the state of Texas first of all, but man, if

if it's, if it's going to be when being Cooper flag, yeah, like, let's have five minutes there. Yeah, all right. We all agree. Derek from Indianapolis wants to know, as a lifelong Pacers fan, I have to ask, did the Pacers sell their soul for all the insane playoff comebacks in 2025. Because since then, game four of the 2,000, 25 finals became the Scott Foster experience, games have been ended with Halbert and Zakilis. Halbert and became the only

I'd be a part of get shingles and put on weight and his on all the has to recover from that, too. And they lost their top four pick and it went number five to the clippers. Most fan bases lose the Pacers specializing cosmic level timing. What was exchange exactly for those comeback wins? Jacobi, do you, do you believe in the sell your soul theory, the Halbert and Shack going up in the air? Like, do you think the

comic forces have to like bounce each other out? I've good news and bad news for Derek. The bad news is absolutely yes. I mean, like, absolutely yes, the shingles thing and the weight thing because of the medication and they took this big trade for Zubat who was like, "Great two years ago, but this year, Clippers Zubat was not like tearing it up and then lose the pick, but the good news for Derek is he'll be the super fan representing the

“Pacers. Yeah, you're job here. What do you think, Kirk, do you believe in this stuff?”

No, that's not my job, but I think they need to be thankful. They have Tyreys Halbert and guys, that you have one of the best point cards in the league. This guy is offensive efficiency in a can. He had one of the more electric playoff runs we've seen last year. We just need to get that guy's foot and ankle right and they'll be right back where I think they should be near the top of the east next year, Derek. So that's kind of near where I landed. Last year it was an amazing ride

for Pacer fans. It didn't get better than that. I can't think of a more fun playoff run where they became the most memorable thing about the playoffs, even though they didn't win the finals,

which never happens, right? You think about the 25 finals. I think of the Pacers before I

think about anything else that happened. So what's the terror, but they still have Tyreys since Siakum, they have Zubats, Nihard, Neesmith, Toppin, TJ, Jarce Walker, Shepard, they have all their first except one and they were losing Miles Turner either way last year. So I don't, you know, the fridge and centers this year weren't that good. Maybe heart and stains in there, Robert Lambs, Nirkage, maybe DeAndre. So you could argue they needed Zubats. The counter though to that

“Zubats trade and the part that never made sense to happen is why did you have to do it in February?”

Because if you get the, even if you get the fifth pick or the sixth pick, I still feel like the Cooper sicker would be like, "Yeah, you're going to trade us that for Zubats. Let's do it." That the risk didn't match the reward because I don't like making trades that are still going to be sitting there a few months later. They just could have traded Toppin's contract and something smaller and the number five pick for Zubats and not given up the other first round

or that was in there. So I just, I never thought the risk matched the reward and I thought

Chicobes. I thought even they could have put like a, like a thing like, "Wow, this becomes the fifth or sixth pick in this draft." Then we get our 29 first back or something because I like Zubats, but it just doesn't match what the reward was. I don't think. Well, I don't want to like be too second guessy after the coin flip when heads and stuff

like him and Harden were a great duo a couple years ago, but when I think about the Pazer's team and that electric front that you're talking about, what do they do? They get out and run. They don't want you to sit up your defense. They don't want to be in the half court. So I see a lot of Zubats getting that rebound throwing it out and then just kind of standing under Zubats. I'll be here. Well, the other thing Kirk is you do trade like this and it's 50/50 odds, right? If they get

the picture, it's a hero. You don't get the pick. Now your fans are kind of looking side at it. You've been now you put Zubats in a tough spot too, who's a really good player. I voted for him 13 on BA. Here we go. But now you look at him and you just watch him during games and you're just thinking about if like if Keaton Woggler's awesome for the Quippers, right? You're just constantly thinking about that as you see Zubats. The other thing I didn't like about the trade was before

the trade deadline. You do it. And we thought there was a top four. And then we still knew after that the draft was good. But we knew there were four guys. And that's probably how the pace was assessed it. But were you're not factoring in as who's going to make a leap in February and March and college basketball? And what happened was Woggler and Acuff made a little bit of

“a leap. So they're not in the top four, but they're really good value at five or six. And that's why”

I just went away. Did I feel like this trade would have been there and make Kirk? Yeah, I wouldn't have been there. As somebody worked for a small market team, like you're just hot, like don't trade your first round picks, especially when you're near the top, like just don't do it. Like we're not, we're not playing in the free agency game, free agencies largely dead anyway for everybody. Yeah. So like these draft picks, you have to be very, very sort of protective of

if you're in a market like Indiana, especially if you're not paying the luxury tax, right?

So when they made the deal, guys, it was like a Russian roulette moment. It was such an incredible

moment. Like for that lottery, again, go back to the broadcast. Like that was a moment where the producers needed to be like, we need to give this the gravity it deserves after it happens. Right. Either the Clippers fans are going to go crazy or the Pacers fans are going to go crazy. And it just again, it didn't blew through it. But man, I would not have done the trade just as a small market guy. Don't give up a lot of repick if you're the Indiana Pacers. Mike Roar emails us about this.

He said how in the podcast Sunday, I didn't see a conspiracy for the Pacers. Like the Pacers not getting a pick actually didn't, conspiracy bill is not triggered by that. Mike Roar says there was a conspiracy potentially and he doesn't have a dog in the fight. He said the next are set up to be good next few years, so are the Celtics, maybe even the six years. Three big markets. Do you think the NBA really wanted small market indie to get better

and spoil the East party when they have small market juggernauts and Oklahoma City in San Antonio could they've had a third one? That's all I've got. That's the conspiracy. I don't know Jakobia, I kind of like it. I'm not buying it. Okay, I appreciate the effort. The reason the six years are like set up to be good the next three years is like really like the full George

me making a 100 million dollars. Yeah, we'll be most about that later. All right, I respect the

that he tried. Dan from Tucson says I'm sure he must feel conflictive with Jayland Dern after the playoffs so far. A beast in the regular season, many voter firm for all NBA, including a I voted second team. What do you vote for, I'm Goldsbury? You said, Jayland Dern, second team, clearly. Yes. Yeah. And then he says, and the other hand, he's been off on the playoffs getting

“punk by Wendell Carter and now the Cavaliers restricted for age in the summer. What would you do?”

As the Pistons GM, would he get a max offer from other teams? Do you match it for your trade sign and trade? Please help pod, father. I'm a Pistons fan in crisis. Well, I think you're going to make the conference final. So, calm down a little Dan from Tucson, but it's a really weird one. He game for it. That might have been his worst playoff game at all, the bad playoff games. And what was interesting was mobiley. Really, I thought mobiley was awesome in game four. I thought he

really, you could feel him in the game, which is always been my disappointment with mobiley. It's

like sometimes I'm not sure you're even out there. And yet game four, you felt him the whole game. I guess the problem for the Pistons is, is Dern such an obvious Lakers offer she got Kirk? Yeah. If they're going to have cab space and you could keep Reeves, obviously have Luke, uh, and then Dern and make that your three. Like, I'm just doing that. I'm overpaying them and then I

“can feel like I can do around the fringes. I think he could also be a Quippers offer she got too,”

but I think somebody's going to offer him at least 40 plus a year regardless of how he looked in the playoffs, right? Yeah. And then they're going to match it because you're the Detroit Pistons. You don't get Jalen Dern. Jalen Dern's 22 years old. Yeah. It's his first real. I guess they had a deep playoff run last year. Uh, but it has been my boining bill, 20 and 11 in the regular season,

a game, eight rebound a game guy. And in the Orlando series, look like the second best big man in

“the series, but I went out of the card. That's not good. Uh, but yeah, again, you're the Detroit”

Pistons. We're not getting cute. Uh, we are going to make the conference finals. I hope if we if we finish the series out. Uh, and he's a big part of their success in their plan. So you're just doing it. You don't even get it. Okay. What's the other play? I want to have to do it. I want to give a credit to my miss match co-host Varno because he flagged this like two months ago. He was like, you're in a spot where you're going to have to pay Jalen Dern and he, you know, you're

dedicated so much of your percentage of your salary cap to him and like maybe he doesn't deserve it. And maybe him underperforming in these playoffs is actually helpful to the Pistons, but I want to be concerned about this. Um, where I, I don't know if I'm ready to just sign Jalen Dern to the Max. I'm Kate and Dern forever, especially after what I saw in the playoffs. Right. It's tough because

we've seen teams get in just incredible trouble with this. I kind of feel like Memphis would

Jaren Jackson was a little similar, right? I don't feel like he's a guy that should be making close to Max money or Max money and and it kind of bore out. The worst one ever was Bradley Bill, but we see with this Max stuff, especially with the way they change the caps, you know, the, the way the cap works, you basically only get two of these. So they're going to have to do it, and they're just going to have to hope that he had a bad playoff since 22 and the pressure of

the contract that was looming kind of scattered his brain a little bit because I'm watching him and it's like, this is not the guy I watched in the regular season. The guy in the regular season was so confident, so physical, was so good around the basket and this guy feels like he's second guessing everything he's doing. So, you know, I can, I can, it's understandable if you're

22 and you have $240 million waiting for you, you're trying to win a title and you're just

“you put too much pressure on yourself. So really tough on Jacob's, I don't know. Do you remember when”

Kate was out, he was, he stepped up, he was getting 30 point games and stuff. That's when I believed in Jalen Dern, but I'm watching the game last night, I'm like, I kind of like, "Be ball Paul in that spot." You know, I'm like, "I'll take people Paul." Seriously, like, watching the game was like, "That guy does off the screen." Like, if I can, if I'm watching a playoff game and I'm like, "I'd rather have Be ball Paul out there than my max guy." That's

concerning for me. We got an email, I didn't even put in the document, but is Be ball Paul the best third strength center of all time? Can you research this? And I was like, "I'm definitely not researching that." But if anyone has any thoughts on the greatest third strength center of all time, please please send them. Gabe from Orange County, I got this a few times. I'll give it credit to Gabe first. He was talking about how I suggested Oklahoma City FC

“as a thunder nickname because they flop like a soccer team and he doesn't understand why that's”

not just okay FC. And he's saying he'd even buy a hat. We think you're cobs. Okay FC. But it didn't hold on a second. Multiple people wrote you about this because they were saying what's going on. They're saying you screwed it up. It's not Oklahoma City FC. It should just be okay FC. Okay, CFC is like, there's a there's a team here and why CFC it rolls off the tongue much better than okay. So you go, okay, CFC. CFC, not just okay FC. We have an NYCFC here. Maximum analysis,

my favorite player. Okay, CFC, Goldspare, no. Yeah, that's a lot, but it does not give the fried chicken that okay FC does. It gives a lot. Okay, C that makes house hungry. There's something you want some limit pepper. That's a good benefit. All right, this is a good one from Andrew Ball. He said, I know you tend to avoid draft what ifs, but that the Warriors 2020 and 2021 drafts changed the trajectory of the league. There's not a lot of precedent for a team as good as the Warriors

getting three lottery picks and a two-year span and they pretty much whiffed on all three. What if they hit a multiple picks or traded them for real town? So I've talked about some of this before about wise men or lamello. It's COVID draft. They can't work out any of those guys. There's no March madness. Understandable. They could have jumped back, maybe in traded for Tyrease, but they claimed that nobody wanted to trade up, but even if you look back, they have talked

to traded to trading up to two and they go back to seven and instead of to trade taking killing his, they get lamello and then the Warriors take Halburn. Whatever, that's a lot of what of stuff. 2021 is more simple. It's basically they took Komingo over France and they took Moody over Tray Murphy. It's pretty crazy A that they went over three and then B that they won the 22 title anyway. The part that I was interested in guys, the trades that they missed out on

We're traded in these these picks. Let's get a pair. The best part is traded from November 2020 because we were post COVID through March 2021. Drew Holiday six days after the draft. So that I wagons what I had to be in it, but maybe maybe you could have said we'll give you the number two pick and wagons for Drew Holiday. I don't know if that Portland would have, I'm not I'm sorry New Orleans. What I thought that was a better one. Hardened to the nets

at March 2021. I don't think that would have been a fit. Vusavitch March 2021, there's no way the words were to give it as much as Chicago steeply did. Here's the one that jumped out at me though guys. Aaron Gordon March 2021 pre-trade deadline. Basically it's like Gary Harris, another y'all who's like I RJ Hampton, and then then a first. The words could have traded like the number seven in Newbray for Aaron Gordon and had Aaron Gordon from heading into the 21 playoffs on

versus I don't know France. That's that's like not a not a small what if right Aaron Gordon turned out to be like this huge playoff guy who'd been perfect for them. It's a fun what if, but like again like it's easy to say now, I know it's a fun time. I was like James Wiseman is the perfect fit for the Warriors and I was like this is going to go great. He can shoot. He's big. He can defend. I was like this is absolutely what they need at the time. But what if you traded the

coming the pick for Aaron Gordon? I mean they would have obviously gone on a much better run and also the whole like two timelines saying Aaron Gordon fits perfectly with the timeline that

“was winning the championships. I think that was the mistake hurt. It's like, no just because”

Curry's not a guy who's going to demand stuff. You you're at the spurs when Tim Duncan was there at the tail end. Same thing. When you have no pressure from your start to do anything, you could try to do that dumb two two timelines thing. And meanwhile look it back. It's like clearly the move would have been Aaron Gordon I think. Yeah and look at the 2020 drafts and you alluded to this was a complete you know cluster effort ever like nobody could see anybody. So you

almost give a pass on wise. When I do think the next one is the more interesting one to look at for what they did and what a team in their position should have done like put to doing Kominga and Moody. I appreciate what they tried to do there. They missed on better players below Moody especially I think Shankoon is in there. He was. And yeah you said tray I'm looking again. Jalen Johnson is in there. Cool. Like that team would have been much better if they

drafted Jalen Johnson. But they didn't and draft is really hard. But yeah I think it is probably in retrospect you put a bunch of 30 year olds next to stuff and for the one last run. But yeah it's a hard one. The bigger issue to me is for whatever reason in that cluster of

years which is like a year and year plus. There weren't like a bunch of amazing guys to go to

get your codes. Bill. So if you're going to go back in time and change time. I don't know

“you're familiar with the like the films of time travel films ever seen. You have to remember that”

you know there's if you put Gordon on the warriors what does that do for your guy yolkage? Right and what does that do for the 22 finals? Yeah it's it becomes a back to the future thing. It screws up a lot of stuff. Gordon was a pretty poor person. He was a pretty polarizing train. Trade Asiko because people are like what is it? Is this somebody that would be happy being like a complimentary player? I say want to be the guy. It was a little similar to what

I could always. All right you cubs. This one specifically for you. It's from Jake. Jake and Illinois.

This happened like three weeks ago. I noted it. Did you see the Laker playoff game within approximately four month old babies sitting courtside next to Laker's bench on its mother's lap? What the fuck? What are these parents thinking? Do people not understand what a six-foot-eight 240-pound person hitting a full-speed feels like in the damage it could do to a baby? Who intervenes here? Who's a fault? It's pure insanity. Should the sports are weigh in. I'm on the record

always. I don't think anyone under like five should be courtside at a game. I've seen you see it.

“I don't know once a week you see somebody go flying to the stands. I think it's irresponsible.”

I would never. I brought my eight-year-old daughter to a WMBA game in 2013. I think I

felt a little safer on that one but I just wouldn't in a million years bring a four-month-old baby. Anywhere near a court-side Jacobie. You have seven kids? How many kids do you have now? I'm not telling you what I've ate now. That baby was essentially an expensive handbag for that family. It's an accessory. That baby, one of my big things is if a baby's not going to remember it,

a one-year-old birthday party. Until you can remember things, you don't experience things.

Also, put that baby to bed. It's like time. Like what do we do? It's like they are just bringing the baby to be like, "Look at my baby. Like it was a hundred thousand dollar watch or something." It's like, "That's an fashion accessory. Look at me. I'm a Laker fan in the front row thing." And it's like, "I don't know, safety of the baby is whatever but for me it's more just like, this is stupid." Well, you obviously, the other thing would be like, "Oh, I took the baby

because we couldn't find a babysitter." You're sitting courtside. I'm pretty sure you could afford a babysitter clerk. I don't know where you stand on this one. Well, yeah, it is dangerous to out there. I mean, you watch this wolf spurs series, like, dude, there will be at least drink

“spilled if not human being spilled over there during these games. I think that is a, it reminds”

me the exit row sitting on an airplane. If you bring a kid on an airplane, you can't, yeah, try to get to that delta exit row. That's not happening. Good point. And baseball too. It's like, they've net everywhere. Maybe we should be thinking about this, especially with kids under like three or four years old, right? Yeah, because there's two different ways you could have the

person just flying in full speed, like doing the Roman rain spear on you basically, trying to

get a loose ball. You also get the person who tries to dive over the court side, but then they kick their leg, and you get the whiplash kick in the head. Either one of them not good for a four month old baby. I just, I thought that was crazy. I think that should be automatic loose or seats. Whatever the Austin Reeves passed last night, he just, he just, I think there's a left handy, just through the ball right in the front row and it hits this kind of drink and explodes

the drink. Like, if that's a baby instead of a drink, like, that's a huge application. Yeah, that would be bad. Austin Reeves got it. What are you going to jail if he did that to a baby, did you come with me? No, the parents go to jail. Oh, yeah. What's up? We're going to take a break and come back with some joel and bead questions. Oh, yeah. I'll play up song. I have been sifting through the slate and putting my favorite bets and parlaes from Fandals Sports Book

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“for Game 5 Pistons Cavs. The home team is one every game this series. I think it continues. This”

is a a perfect game for for Durin. I actually like the rebounds for him. I think this is the biggest game of his career, especially with restrictive rage, c coming. And I like the Pistons in that game. So I'll have some sort of bet for that futures, Nick's funder for the finals is even odds right now. It's probably the last time that will be the case for the rest of the playoff. So if you're interested in that, Bruns and I think for the finals, MVP is 8 to 1, which if you like the next,

I think they're 6 to 1 in the finals. Just take the Bruns and finals and be anyway. When I bet I bet with Fandal, a brand I trust easy to build NBA bets of all types on Fandal and I know I'm getting great odds, pants and my parlaes boost every day. I'll get my winnings instantly. Fandal, join me. Play your game. All right. Joelle and BD mail from Frank Farrell. He said the six years unexpectedly beating the SouthX1 and BD enough goodwill that all my friend chats after the

“absolute Nick thrashing, subtly shifted from the six or should swallow and beads money just to move”

on psychologically to the six or should trade Joelle for peanuts to give him a shot somewhere else. What insane careers he has had. My question, does winning an MVP automatically get you an automatic place in your Hallfane pyramid? If so, who is the lowest MVP in the pyramid? It has to be between MVP, Dirk Rosen, Westric. Well, I haven't beaten Russ in my pyramid. I have their level two guys. I haven't beat low 70s and I have Russ in the 60s. I do not have Dirk Rosen, the pyramid,

and I don't even really think it's debatable. Like you go through his career, it's basically the

2011 season when he won the MVP and made first two mile bills. The only first team on BA, he won. And I just don't, I don't think it's enough to be like one of the best hundred guys in the history of the week. When I was researching this though, in 2021, he finished ninth in the MVP voting. Are you guys aware of this? There was a fan. There was a fan vote which he won and he got 10 points and finished ninth in the top 10 frame of the P. Kovs is Rose, the top hundred all-time guy for you.

He had to do assess his career. It's a weird one. This is much more your lane. I don't know if you know this. I don't keep up moving running. If you can lead Dirk Rosen, he can go top hundred players. If you can lead Dirk Rosen, that's the biggest peak Dirk Rose is top 100, but the peak just didn't last that long. It's a very sharp point at the top of the mountain. For me, I look at it more

roll gravity and gravity on the court. Just like grab fan gravity towards Chicago. Just attention. You know Barbershop discussion. Dirk Rosen sort of conquered that and led that. It had a little bit of like an Iverson coolness factor in a different way. Remember what he didn't dance at the all-star game? Like he was just like he was sort of like cool in a different way than Iverson was, but at the same in a comparable level. Like he sort of had like a culture implications too.

He was incredible in person. I just think to me, Kirk, he's in the, he's in that group of just

awesome guys where the career they either had bad luck with injuries or bad luck with something else. And he's like first ballot for whatever that group is, but I don't think that career was there for. But it wasn't there for a reason like his body broke. In the NBA playing this way, with these guards doing what they're doing now this off. And they're going to break their knees. Yeah, it sucks. And I don't want to penalize guys like that who are clearly all NBA level players,

MVP caliber players. And if I'm ever going to be in charge of MVP or a Hall of Fame consideration, like Dirk Rosen's going. Like I love what Jacobi said culturally is important to the sport and it's fans. You can point to it season is Chicago. Like he is more significant than a lot of

people that are currently honored in that museum. So that's a different combo and I agree with that.

“I think if you win the MVP, you're in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, which is a little different than”

the pyramid because there's a little higher, like the top plunger guys ever, but Hall of Fame. I think that'd be pizarin. You're the best part in the best league for one year. That's probably that's probably enough. I would say. Can I ask you an unbeat question? Yeah. How did you react after on the heels of the Celtic series, watching Joelle do what he did against the next? I mean, I wasn't surprised. Were you guys? It felt like he could he had a good week in him.

Right. Remember, I was with you in LA and that Chris Ryan was like, we should sit him out, came on. No, he'd be proud of him. He was the artist saying like we should maybe even sit him

for both games. We also are coming, right? No, it's it's Jacob's. It's like a picture

that maybe has an 85-pitch start every six days and you just have to kind of craft the rotation around it. But what I thought, honestly, I thought that the same thing happened on the LeBron and the round two, like just going every other day. When you're 41 years old, there's just, you know, there's certain things that schedule is unforgiving. I don't think Embed was dramatically different between the Celtics and Nick series. I thought that Nick did a much better job of,

well, that's also true. Yeah. You know, you mean putting him in pick and pops all the time? Yeah, making him look like him defending space. Sometimes, if I'm a fact guy covering me and pick up us running from one set of the court, you know, because she just done that, you know, and the next

“had better guys to throw at him, too, than I think the Celtics did. And also the next are just playing”

out of the runs. Like that, that seven game run they had with all the blowouts was about as good as you're going to do in the playoffs. So, yeah, eight game run. Eight game run. You end up with the Celtics team that seven. Seven. They, you end up with the Celtics team that's trying to figure out what they are on the fly. And then you go into this next team that kind of figured it out. And that the town thing, did you, she comes, did you watch towns and we're like, why don't they use them at the top?

He could be like Bill Walton, because I don't remember him. He's saying that to me. No, no, he has like over his next tenure. He has a ton of like really fun highlight passes. So, like, behind the back out of the post stuff, for like, you know, like some sort of yoke itchy, like someone makes a backcut, and he threads the needle, so that he's shown that ability in flashes, but not with this kind of quantity. I did not say, you know, we should do making the full come on the offensive, the nail,

let's do that. They definitely, Kirk wanted to be a little more, or a little less Bronson's

“centric. I think we've been the criticism and it was like, you know, who does to them for figuring it out,”

85 games into the season? But it was a really good wrinkle. Like, once they figured out how to not be so reliant on Bronson, it was like the whole team took off. Well, it helps when Kat stays on the floor. I'm going to say some really nice things about them, but man, some of these fouls, it's like, dude, don't be that stupid. You're too good for that. But yeah, I think Fred Katzonesak, low show yesterday at a great stat that the towns as touches per 100 are way up in these playoffs

compared to the regular season. Just another analytical piece of evidence that you guys are exactly right. They are they are relying on him to be a centerpiece of this offense and a passer in a way that we hadn't seen. And credit to Mike Brown here, too. Like, this guy took a high-stakes job and this Nick's run is featuring a lot of depth and a new look towns into your point, Bill. Yeah, a little bit less Bronson hero ball kind of stuff. You know, you know what this reminds me of

involved. Water the play. If Jacoby's running the floor, rewarded for running the floor, given

“the ball. If you go a little half-court, run a little pickup pop, but Jacoves, every lesson”

about. You know, howdy sometimes. Just kind of water the plant. A couple of things about cat is your completely right is the offensive of involvement creates defensive involvement. Like, their relate to his defenses has been much, much better. And also, like, you know, you guys are on like Nick's Reddit and like all of my Nick's group chats and everything, but like the whole story of the season, it was like November. He's like, I don't know my role in the offense. It's not

clear yet. And then it was like January. He's like, I just don't understand my role in the offense. It was like a month ago. Like, obviously, I still don't really fully understand my role in the offense. And it's like, well, I'm glad we figured that out in game four of the first round of the playoffs. You finally figured out your role in the offense. I don't know. Listen, some things take time. One more in B1. This one's a little more interesting. Just from Ted, that that was all he gave no

time. The bear. Early rumors are that Darrell will be out in Philly. I'll believe it when I say "Can we do a deep drive and dive into possible trades for a beat?" My dream trade would be in beat for KD. That's not happening. Does in beat make sense for anyone? Jazz King's

pelicans, please tell me there's some option. All right. He's got three years, 200 billion almost

left. This is, these are the only four teams that can possibly come up with. The pelicans trade up for Zion. Pelicans just roll the dice, hope he gets healthy. I don't see them doing that, especially they're not exactly a lavish organization. So I'm going to say no on that curve. Yeah, it's no for me, dog. He's just shaking his head sadly. One context question, you guys do

“the worst contracts draft you and woes and house. Where did it and be land this year? Do you remember?”

We was, I think Paul George won in beat two or a matter of numbers. Yeah. Good context. Next team, I know they did. Next team, I have the Sacramento Kings just for Levine's expiring. Just under the guise of it's the Kings who knows what their cape will.

The Vex, like we have Joe on beat? Yeah. It's never ruled out. You can't be able to roll that out.

Yeah, we're going to be on paper. We've traded up one spot to get there. Say, "Coff, we have Joelle and bead. We're back, baby." They'd be, their fans should revolt if they do that. Golden State, just for Jimmy Butler. So Jimmy Butler expiring, can we have knee surgery? Golden State with the 11th pick, they convince LeBron to come. They have career already and Dreiman, and they do the expendable thing that I've been joking about.

“I don't think Golden State should do that. I'm just going to mention it. Kobe's making a”

small smile. I'm just thinking, "Can we get Mike Conley involved somehow?"

Alhor first. Really not Golden State. All right, this last one, I kind of talked myself

into the Brooklyn Nets who don't have their first round pick next year. Could we just do and bead for two years, a claxed-in-and-man who make $39,000,000,000, and $36,000 combined the next two years? Just a straight salary dump. Throw in a year of clowning to make the contracts work. And if you're Brooklyn, now I have an interesting guy. Instead of the liberty just blowing away my team every year, where there's way more liberty

fans sold out crowds and people, it's really like barclases like a liberties arena, not a Nets arena. Now I have in bead, I still have salary space, maybe to go get a free agent or maybe to make a honest trade with all my other picks or trade for whoever, and I'm at least more interesting, and I just hope he stays healthy. Kobe's looks like he's small to terrible fart. No, this is the only one that makes sort of any sense, and I don't know why I

feel he would be motivated to do this, like we're just going to get off the salary a little bit, but like I would smile a bit because the difference between Nets and Liberty games is it's absolutely wild. It's like difference between, it's like your birthday, it's like 25 and 55. Seriously. Like it's so much fun. It's so funny. It's the same arena in the Liberty games. It's completely different vibe. If you're the Nets, you can't say basketball doesn't work in

Brooklyn, because the Liberty is, it's good as like passing the NBA games. It's awesome. So would you do that if you're the Nets Kirk? No, no GM and my friend Sean Marks from my time at this first. No GM should be trading for Joell and Beat at this phase of this career with these. There's about a money that is owed. I anticipate if I had to put the overunder on number

Are you taking over the under? Well, the question is, when does he play the 43 and a half,

because he came back for that Celtic series and had three good games in him, and that was enough to kill the Celtic? I don't know. I was a team that had no hope, and I had to spend the money anyway. They found the Nets. What else am I going to do? I have salary. I'm completely irrelevant,

“and I don't have my pick. I've got to take a swing at something. I think that's a job move.”

If you're trying to sell tickets and put some energy inside your building, if you have John Moran or Joel and Beat, which one? How about both? Can I have for you both? John Moran, let me look at what you're wrong. What that? Next question from Danny, another one, name or Simmons. Did you ever explain why you thought Jalen Williams played in game two of the Lakers series when you didn't? Please tell me. Please don't tell me you're cutting corners,

not watching sports and turning in a Rick Riley. What happened? Rally. When you want to talk about this, you put this in the rundown. You copied and pasted it. You were interested. I'm happy to talk about it. Here's my thing. We're taping right after that game two. There's two games. I'm putting together. I want to do because I have Letterman on the show after, and I'm trying to put together 25 minutes of thoughts as I'm doing it. I'm going full speed, and then we

tape it live right after the game. It's like speed chest that I'm old. I'm going around. I'm trying to figure out the minutes. I'm doing everything. I'm trying to get to the next thing, and I look at the boxboard, and I just kind of brain-farted. This is my second brain-fart. I'm telling you, it was like, obviously, Jacobi, you're on some of the text threads with me. I'm watching all the games. I wish I could bring my wife on to be like, "Hey,

some people are wondering if you're watching play-up basketball," because you'd be like, "Yeah, I could tell you there because I fucking hate you during the first two rounds of the play-offs every year, because all you do is watch basketball." The thing is, I think I'm allowed for these a year, and then if I get to five, maybe a series of people watch the talk to the family.

Yeah. Well, because my other one this year was Seattle, thinking the Seahawks never won the

Super Bowl, which I said, even though I know they won the Super Bowl, but then the next year, they would try to go back to back and get some pets. I was there for that. So I think I'm allowed because I'm old now. I'm in my mid-50s. I think I'm allowed one just inexplicable brain-fart, a corner, a quarter, and everyone just got to deal with it. And if I get,

“if I'm at 10 at the end of the year, let's have a real combo. But I think 4 is OK, right, Curt?”

Yeah, and dude, I blame our friend, Jalen Rose. I mean, if it weren't for him, then we wouldn't have this crazy situation. And having two guys named Jalen Williams on the same basketball team, I come on. It was a tricky situation for all of us. It was a double brain-fart, because I looked at the minutes, I forgot there were two Jalen Williams, and I forgot that the good Jalen Williams was a scratch for Gabe too. He was wearing, like, a couple of things. He was wearing a pink leather jacket.

It does really help your kids. You know, you know, a pink leather jacket that cut to him a lot. Like, I'm not, I'm your friend, and I love you, but like, you know, it is, there is a one-time moment, and I'll take it. But I literally, you know, I take last night between 130 and 230 in the morning, after watching five hours of basketball, sure, I messed up. I literally just interrupted you to say the Nixon on an eight game run, and I'm a Nick Van instead of a seven game run. I was like,

Bill, no, eight. That happened four minutes ago. Like, it just sort of the way it is. But here, as someone who's been in this industry a long time bill, you're handling this wrong, you're talent. This is where you throw your producers under the bus. No, this is where you say to that. This is my book. I've been doing this along to your talent now, Bill. You can't, you can't be level-headed. You have to have the big deal of it. My producers are

supposed to correct that. That's why they're they should have. That's what you're supposed to do. That's the talent play. Now, I'll fuck up. Listen, I'm going to have one a quarter, and that's it. Look how fast it's free. This is just what we're dealing with now. Bill, as you're constantly area having to say this, I think four might be a little low.

“I think my goal is four. I think it's good. I think you must set the fire”

a little bit lower for each other, buddy. Let's go ten. Bill, let's go ten. You're a lot of body. I think I can pull up for it. This is my one for the quarter. Now, I'm not going to have another one on a quarter. Josh from DC says he's been a big fan of the podcast since the picture me rolling days. What a classic year that was when picture me rolling was the theme.

Thanks to House's mother day, Karma, the wizards are finally interesting, and we have two

passive contention. One is just draft the AJ. Two is trade down the spot. Get some stuff for Utah. What would you do? Is the trade machine Picasso? So, I already answered

dig in. I like this guy the most. This is such a weird draft. I'm honestly happy with any of these

four guys, and I don't know if there's any real way to say one of them is going to be the most awesome.

“I think AJ is probably the safest Peterson as the highest ceiling, but I'd also be happy with the other two.”

And if I could move back one spot and pick up real assets, I would just in this draft, I would do it. So, what would you do? Yeah. Yeah, I'm Peterson curious at the number one spot. I'm honestly curious. Yeah, I'm Peterson curious. I want to come out and just say that I'd love there. The Raptors. I think all of the analytics guys in the NBA that I like to represent here from time to time are Cam Booser enthusiasts. And so, the I test is Debance. There's Peterson.

But so, I think the Bellachek move here is to go to three and just take all, I'll take whoever's left.

Oh, wow, look down two spots. If I can get something, if who's there? Memphis, sorry, I haven't

started the dream. Memphis is Chicago's floor. Yeah. If Memphis would give me anything valuable, because they're feel strongly or, yeah, I don't know if I'd go to four bill, but I do think there is jockying potential for people at one and two to think about just a little bit backward.

“Like, your buddy Danny Ainge did so famously to get to that Tatum over full terror. I think that's a good.”

That's a good parallel. That that was another drafters. Like, I kind of like all of these guys. And they move back, got an extra pick that ended up not even. It turns out that was a big, big effing deal for the Boston Celtics to do that. So Washington has to be playing with that concept. Jacob, so what would you do? Would you just be like, I like this guy. I'm taking him one. Don't don't offer many trades or would you sniff around? I think you can only, as a GM, you're worried

about your job and making the wrong move. I think you can only make the wrong move by trading up in this draft because all four of me, if it's a little bit like the MVP, like if you have SGA, you can be a great case. If you have Yoke, you can make a great case. If you have Wimbe, you can make a great case, right? So it's like all four of these guys are different players, but they have sort of like they're all equal to me as prospects. So if I, if I give up assets to move up and end up with the

fourth best guy of the four, yeah, there's egg on my face. Yeah, shame wants to know when you brought up the wizards in the lottery karma draft. Nick Wright immediately brought up Joe House's name and it made me wonder if Joe House is the most famous wizards fan at this point. Can we get a celebrity wizards fan ranking? Then he asked, this was written last week, can House represent the wizards at the draft lottery. So I asked the Washington fans, I know, here's the, here's the list

of famous wizards fans. You tell me where House ranks. While A, Dave Batista, Wolf Blitzer, and T.I.P. will be tennis player. Maybe Scott VanPelt, I don't know if he's a wizards fan or not,

“I know he's a Maryland guy as soon, maybe he likes the wizards. Honestly, that was all I could find.”

So I don't know if he's a sharp, injured sharps in there. Okay. Would you have House fifth, or would you bump him above any of those I mentioned, Jacos? I mean, I'm biased here, you know. But I will say that while A was the only one I actively knew was a wizards fan. Everyone else was news to me. And like T.I.P. was out there, you know, like doing post-match interviews about trade Johnson. Kirk. This is in the top five. I think he's out of fault. I'll take a strong stance here.

I think Joe House in part because of his platform here with this, the ringer is clearly the most famous wizards fan. Like when people think wizards fan, they think Joe House. And I think he tried to do the Dougie on the podcast Sunday. He got so excited to camera burned out. Like he's it's a real fan. He's had some camera issues. It will give him that. But I think the wolf blitzer

went screw wolf blitzer. Not good as me. Get him off. Never seen him with wizards. No, he doesn't

like basketball. I don't want to live in a world where that guy is a joke or the baby has a house walley partnership. I think they would make a game. Yeah, I like that. Maybe we give them a podcast. Zachary Gilbert and Westport Connecticut writes him. He's 12 years old and he says, I'm sending this up my dad's email with his permission. My father's a long time list of yours put me on the podcast, which I love. I always get excited when new one comes out. How come whenever you talk about Kevin

Doran the Warriors? You don't mention that he played with the greatest shooter ever in a top five shooter ever that made life so much easier for him when on and on about to run it. So it's interesting and Ethan stress actually wrote about this last week on his sub stack about longevity rot, which there's different versions of this when just when either somebody stays around too long and I've talked about this a bunch and I haven't talked about it in my book about how the memories

of somebody near the end can somehow taint the actual memories of their peak. And then you could

and the other stuff that's happened with carum alone. And now it feels like sparkly's career was more severe from the them alone when that wasn't the case when it's happening. I think Katie the last 10 years really overshadowed how good those last seven okay see years were when from

2010 to 16 he won the MVP runner up three times five straight first teams made the 12 finals

one 10 playoff series. He's either the second or third best guy the of the 2010s. I'd have him third behind Curry. I think it's LeBron Curry and KD 2015 was her 2013 playoffs rust got hurt

“hard and trade in 2012 screwed things up for them too and then the only thing you can really”

ding them on is the last three games of the 16 playoffs against gold state because they I thought they had a better team and that gold state was dragging them a little bit and I thought that they could have finished him. She coves do you feel like all the Durant stuff in the last 10 years is now starting to kind of cloud people's memories of how fucking good Durant was? Yes I believe it's a little unfair like if you look at his former teammate James Harden

who has famously sort of like underperformed in big spots there's not a lot of those with Kevin Durant there's injuries and like weird Kyrie Irving stuff that took down that team and like bad vibes and Phoenix it just sort of seems like it is his fault with simultaneously he's still performing yeah yeah well it's if his career just ends with the Achilles injury right

“let's just say it's it's over he doesn't come back we would still talk about him reverentially”

for what he did for those 13 years Kirk so I don't I do think it I do think it has clouded how good he was in his peak yeah let's not forget he tore his Achilles tendon like that you just said like holy crap like a lot I dominate was my favorite player growing up it ended him like it he he technically still played after that but it was it was over Kevin has done a marvelous job I think extending his relevance in what is he 37 yeah and he's the best score in my opinion the MBA

scene since Michael Jordan you can tell me it's Kobe I'm not going to get too mad at you but it's like this dude is by far one of the best scores in the league's history he's doing it a high level 37 that's a Houston team who who who had a disappointing run in the posties in the vibes they're not familiar with it but let's not forget Fredy Van Flee was not there Steven Adams is not there

“Durant yeah I'm I'm I'm I'm sitting here on the 40 acres at the University of Texas I'm not going to say”

anything negative about Kevin Durant but I will say it is better to burn out than it is to fade away and sometimes that long tail at the end of an artist or an athlete's career can sort of damage how you look back at the prime yeah I would highly encourage who wrote that email that was young Zachary I would highly encourage I would highly encourage you to go in the YouTube's and go check out some Durant from check out the USA basketball stuff and

that was a 2011 turkey check out the rocker park check out the 2012 playoffs him running through them beating the cliffers like Durant was unbelievable hey you were born he probably had 40 right

I mean he's definitely second or third best part of the 90s I would put him third but I also

had Matt Hardin another career thing for me and Drew B he said one of the greatest takes and recent BS lore was that Hardin was the guard Carl Malone just for the record that was that close take that mine I was jealous of it um after watching the thunder finish up the lakers I watched the SGA very vanilla walkoff interview and I thought does anyone actually list SGA's their favorite player will he be remembered as guard Tim Duncan both dominant but with no fans I I thought that was

uh character assassination and people loved him Duncan I loved him Duncan I arrived for Tim Duncan it is interesting though Chicobs like have you met a diehard SGA guy well the another one who's like my favorite guy is SGA I'm wearing the SGA jersey this is my dude okay I'll answer that question

a second but first I want to address something like Bill you're one of the biggest Tim Duncan fans in the

world um uh Kirk you are biased by the spurs he was boring like you know what I mean Tim Duncan was awesome he was boring like he was his personality didn't exist and his game was to turn around and like hit off the window you know what I mean like he was done in baseball player won a lot of championships but like it's not exactly like he was Anthony Edwards in the post game interviews and whatever one of the four greatest teammates of all time there there I do not know anyone who's like I love SGA I don't

see any SGA jerseys anywhere like like you see the other mega stars in New York City and I do want

like like I just I had the answers I just need to see the test like he started to have these sort of like they kind of feel pre-canned but some good post game stuff that's kind of like this calm cool than I'm starting to dig it's he's not like personalityless like your guys' favorite guides him Duncan you mean pre-canned like no ego breaking out the Cavalege it's a Cavalege that was a Cavalege

though to be fair to know that was a crazy third quarter Kirk do you know any die hard SGA fans

“no I think that's the more interesting part of this question I think the comp to Tim is just wildly”

unprofessional for a male bag question SGA it is really interesting and this is like Jacobi's wheelhouse and your wheelhouse too is like yeah his approval rating outside of his home market seems to be the lowest we've seen for a player who is that dominant since we've been doing this right guys like no question if I'm in New York or if I'm in LA and I start talking about SGA I kind of know what the person across the table is going to start to say I think that is sort of the more interesting

part here I like I think it's actually great for him that he belongs to KC and everybody else is kind of poking holes that it makes KC want to love him more and we're probably in an okay spot with it and now it's time for embracing the era brought to you by new era the official cap of the NBA take a trip back through some of the most iconic court's finding moments with the new era and be a hardwood classics collection which is awesome let's be honest it's hard to top those legendary

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Reggie Lewis of the Boston Celtics who was really coming on as an asset who was the only two guard of that generation really to go toe to toe with Jordan when they played and was awesome in the in the 92 playoffs they lose to the Celtics lose to the calves and seven but it was real break out thing for them he was just really good and there were a lot of good players in the early 90s so you know when you look at the NBA's and stuff really hard because you're you're

getting bumped by guys who were all famous but I feel like he was either the second or the or the third best two guard of that generation he tragically he went down the 93 playoffs and passed away that summer and the primo his career and you look at the guys the two guards from that era of metrichman Reggie Miller, Jonathan Petrovic who also tragically passed away Reggie was

right up there with all of them and I thought it was just better than Reggie Miller so I always

think about when the 90s there's a lot of guys that oh man Kenny Anderson Derek Coleman like you go through and there's some guys that never reach their potential and then Reggie is at a

“whole other level but I really think he could have had a fun 90s of fitted just kept going with him.”

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I know you're really in from the Celtics I'm really in from the nuggets what about Jim Montmary for Jaylam Brown straight up kind of interesting no you know you would you would do that for your Celtics I'm not doing that from Celtics Kirk I like Jayland's defense. Jim Montmary doesn't have the defense I don't think they're gonna I don't think they're gonna mess with it no who what do you think they'll bill yeah what happened to you bill the guy goes on twitch and all of a sudden he was like

your favorite player of all time like 10 minutes ago now you're like oh that twitch tree makes you want to rate him for tomorrow's Murray it's a no it's a no for me but I did go down a 10 minute rabbit hole thinking about oh we could replace Jayland's minutes with Hugo and Shireman and Walsh and now we'd have these three guards and Tatum and offensive food would be so much more than saying I did I did entertain it for a second that leads us to I this was your biggest

assignment here's the here's the email go on the record right now predict four NBA trades but do it like that and the four would be separated as boring but logical conventional major in somewhat surprising and holy shit I can't believe that guy got traded

I could have just said it's from like Larry and Indiana but I wrote that one because I want to do it I'll give you the three ones I had and then I gave you the assignment for the Holy shit trade so boring but logical the worst getting Anthony Davis the wizards get Butler's expiring and

like a lottery protected first in 27 and we just call it a day that trade makes a lot of sense to me

if the wizards can get one more asset they're going to obviously take either defense or Peter's in they're not going to be good this year I don't think they want to see what they have could they get one small asset for Davis he's probably not going to be happy there and then the golden state if you can then get LeBron you know I have Davis LeBron dream on Curry

“kicked out the boring but logical Kirk would you agree with that?”

Yeah that's boring but I don't think 80's very happy there you know I could see that trying to just get away from it and there has been interest right from golden state to sort of re-establish having a traditional big beyond just dream on so I could I could see that one boring biological to coves? I don't really understand why Washington is doing this like we're just taking on Butler and like what asset are you getting back like I think I think you were top

level of impact but look here don't you think you get a better package for 80 than Butler and some sort of pick but he's unhappy and he keeps getting hurt and he's in his 30s now and he makes a lot of money so that those would be the things you were about all right conventional this would be the honest trade I think the latter I talked about on Sunday onus and the Celtics I think became way more realistic after how the latter he played out so there's a world where you can get

Portland gets Jailum Brown the Celtics get Janus and they also get Kuzma and their trade exception

thing and then Milwaukee gets Grant's contracts, Scoot Henderson and a slew of first including all

their Milwaukee stuff that they could get back and that ends up being the trade seems pretty conventional out of those three Kirk who is like I'm out I don't want to do this I'm worried about Portland what do you what do you think about Portland's just general they I don't know what they're doing they're sort of an irrational player in the marketplace right what do your thoughts on what they're trying to accomplish well if I could have if I'm Portland Jacoves and I have Denny

and I have Jailum Brown and I have Klingan and I have Kamara and you know maybe I don't have to give up all the assets I have for Milwaukee I have Dame coming back shade and sharp coming back

“so that that's probably the one if we're talking about three teamers that's the only way the other”

way with the honest and Jailum would just be to them okay major in somewhat surprising this idea came from a listener Jack and Orlando I really like this one I was jealous of it Orlando gets Jamal Murray and Cam Johnson's expiring Denver gets Franz and Sugs it's a straight two for two Franz and Sugs for Murray and Cam Johnson it's a pretty good way for both teams yeah I was like well like that there's and Cam Johnson yeah put it in crossover because because Jokeh could basically be the point card

for Denver anyway and Sugs could be the guard the other team's point cards and bring the ball up and then Franz with Gordon and Joker now my defense is better and then Franz unleashed without Apollo and then Orlando figures out the the guard situation and splits up Franz and Murray I don't know I thought that was really good okay but let's not please pass that that's pretty good some pretty good things you can be better not make it the NBA better right away yeah I mean yeah like somewhere

there's like an intern there works in the front office this is like hey yeah do you still do the BS pop I was gonna do a tweak and be like well Orlando's got to throw an Anthony black or oh

“Denver and that's like I don't see a tweak I think that's a really fair two for two you know”

and eventually I said Orlando has like there's a defense problem I'm Franz's exactly locked down the fender but there's defense problem in Denver there's a shooting problem in Orlando we both want to shake things up that works all right I asked you for a holy shit trade you go first Jacobi what is it so that the concept is

not we'll never have the look at trade again but a trade that would make people go oh my god

so what is it so I just want to say that this is I'm not saying this is going to happen I'm not predicting this okay but it is like all great things it starts with showhouse right Washington has the number one pick in a great draft that's a huge asset but they're open for business

some strings behind the scenes on behalf of his clients yeah in Washington has found a dance partner

“they said the number one pick an Anthony Davis and next year's number one pick because if you”

acquire Anthony Davis because of some weird voodoo magic you also get the next now yeah it follows yeah that's in the that's in the trade okay you trade that package number one pick Anthony Davis and the voodoo spell for Cooper flag Kyrie Irving and the number nine pick and here's why it makes sense there's a me you Jerry did not draft flag he doesn't see the vision he's going to have the number one pick he can start my guy yeah yeah and then there's absolute chaos in the streets

of Dallas like rioting he's got a face pain he's got a flag a helicopter has to land on top of the map's office yeah for advertisements in your jury to get in to get them away to safety like it's it's Jerry Jones is involved it's just chaos like the national guard has to come in and it's just like in Mark and then somehow Mark Cuban just just ends up you know just negotiating a piece between the fans of the maverick's in the city that's a great one yeah I mean demonstrating

“Cooper flag I think could lead to a civil war in the United States I'd say it just it would be like the”

front the arch to Ferdinand of of America I don't know how Dallas would start rioting got only knows what happens next Kirk what do you got well this one hurts and since we're back in time it's this tough but I'm gonna stick my neck out here it'd be like the spurs are gonna trade deer and fox and I think they are going to get another younger wing strong player I haven't worked out the full details I didn't do my homework as much as is Jacobi did but what I've seen

in these playoffs and in this Minnesota series and again I might be speaking so stupidly now for those who have time traveled with me but I really think what I've seen in these playoffs is like what why do we have deer and fox on this team we have Dylan Harper we have to fall in castle we have Victor Wembagnama we have a clear need to get stronger on the wings in in our front court can we find somebody like Toronto or Houston that can give us some depth in some strength

to to fight with these types of Minnesota but guys so I haven't done the full homework but that's my holy shit the spurs are going all in with this young core moment that would be interesting tough one for deer and fox attaches and stuff to Wembagnama at last the year and a half now it is but I mean I also love the your idea like the other one I had runner up is this is the Jalen Williams uh the the one who's currently hurt with this hamstring

and chat home we're in one of those guys for the similar reasons like a lot of us these young cores they have to get ahead of the second apron they have to do stuff like that so you know Jay

Dondes has real trades travel in silence and we never saw the luka thing coming right so I

think there are the holy shit moments like oh my god I couldn't believe that could happen right like Jalen Williams just getting traded straight up to the third pick like oh I told you on the I told you on the text yeah like that like that that's a great one but I told you on the text to Kobe's gonna have a better one and I was right well I mean I thought I forgot the ending ended up with Joe House in the bathtub full of RB's roast beef with Cooper Flag. I'm dialing it

up a notch from your holy shit's what about ant to Atlanta? T Wolves get Jalen Johnson they get 8 and 23 and 26 they get there's the Atlanta has a a bucks New Orleans worst pick and 27 the worst one of those two they have some other stuff first swaps. What if Kirk have you how long do you think ants are gonna actually last a Minnesota if you know what this is where's Anthony from

“and like this is where's Anthony from jacobie do you have any ideas on that? Where's he from?”

Long did you how long people in the media have been trying to send basketball players back home?

It's the one we always do it's a well he's from no Katie's from the DMV but above the

yeah it's right we always do this I'm just saying the end of the point in time right now is when Atlanta has the best possible we're gonna overwhelm you with an Anthony Edwards offer moment and and I was trying to think of like every year there's a holy shit one and usually we have some semblance of it and then sometimes we don't and it's like the series ended badly

Seminoleana and then the other piece of it is Ant and Atlanta

“I can't even imagine what that would be like they'd never not since Dominique had a guy in the”

the brief Michael Vick moment but putting in there would just be one of I love their crowd like it would just be crazy said he's a perfect Atlanta representative right Chicago we like that there was it because you go to a Hawks game they are unique they are fun but they are sort of flat in a sense like they don't I it feels like he would be the perfect guy to change the vibes in Atlanta and I know for a fact that that organization for years has

circled him like a lot of teams do with certain players that their suitors for years in advance be like that's a guy I think he might want to come to live here because he is from there and I I don't know but I I like it and I could see it from Atlanta's perspective now will Tim Connelly be the main probably not but if you also if you're Anthony and you look at the starting five you're currently playing with and the starting five you would be playing

“with Atlanta like dramatic downgrade yeah the only way that trades happening is if”

then it was as you're trading me yeah now we don't want to know if his fight you're actually going to trade me yeah the one I was thinking for a holy shit was if San Antonio just said fuck it we'll put Dylan Harper on the table we'll we'll put every pick we have and just make a run and trying to put when we're being at on the same team which would be I don't know how the alpha piece of that work is when he's definitely an alpha but that's it from holy shit ones

I went to everybody and that it was the only holy shit guy that really jumped out of me oh no there was one first one I was building that was a holy shit guy look the bronchium bins is the liquor is to trade luka that's pretty it seems like luka is really tough in there yeah it's how I had that to should go we spoke I had luka in my notes it just feels

much the other one is like what if Denver's like we're never getting over San Antonio

and okay see with trade luka I guess that's that the other holy shit's been a soda yeah we couldn't get past Minnesota without ant in this game six how so that that'd be the one one's like well this is the Herschel Walker play for for the the future of the Denver Noggets organization there's one more holy I went through the ring one hundred and I had my holy my holy shit glasses on and my little detector and I was going through each guy I was like

“and the only other one was Tatum because I think that would have elicit the proper holy”

shit where the Celtics were like you know what Jalen was right this actually is this team we're trading Jayce Tatum but I call this shit they're trading Tatum that's that's the other I think ant and Jayce Tatum in that order are the two holy shit guys everybody else you could believe like that of a Mitchell getting traded I'd believe it like you know you go on through the

league booker well he's shocking but not really the other bigger names they're never going to move you

know like luka SGA when be flag like these guys aren't really going to move but I could I could see the Celtics trading one of the jays and Joker getting traded the risk would be he would just be like all right I'm going to go raise some horses now and Serbia I'll see you guys later and you never even get to play one game with them that's it for the mailback I took you guys up too much but that was fun holy shit stuff all right so our holy shit trade rankings ant one Tatum two luka three

no look on the pretty guy trade it though he's never ever going to happen he's in Los Angeles no got hurt yeah all right jacobes we can hear in the mismatch gold's very thanks for being on two different segments of my pod today that was great my pleasure all right that's it for the podcast thanks to Kirk and Jakobi thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well I'm going to be back here on Thursday no game on Thursday night actually so I'm going to be back on Thursday I'll have some sort of

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