Joe Scarborough: MAGA Doesn't Get America

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With that other way, I have got a great guest for you today. He is the co-host of Morning Joe every morning from 6 to 90's turn on MS now. I still have trouble saying that. He's a former Republican member of Congress. So I don't know if he's ever mentioned that before.

He's a fellow lover of the Boston Red Sox. Somehow managing to win 14 a row as of now. He is my good friend and all around men's. It's Joe Scarborough Joe, how you doing man? Sam, thank you so much for having me.

I greatly appreciate it. Look, for 17 years now, I've been wanting to host with you as the guest.

And I finally get my moment.

And this is a real like having trouble grappling with the power app. Is that right here? I love it. I do have to ask you before we start out over your left shoulder appears to be a picture of George W. Bush.

I can't read the writing. Please tell me that it says now watch me hit this drive. Now watch a strap. Yeah, classic moment. I got to get those for my kids because my youngest son, Jack, just learned how to hit.

And every time he hit, he gets a top beat talk and he gets a big, just now watch me hit this ball. Oh, I got you know, it's a run in joke among the friends and then we usually shank it. So that's the problem.

Of course. So look, I, uh, is funny, I was, I was thinking about this show with you. And, um, my mind drifted back actually to the early morning Joe days when, uh, you, I don't know if people remember this, but used to do, if I remember correctly, used to do a radio program like the hour after, oh, yeah.

So you would do the six to nine and then you get off and you do a radio program. And I remember those days, and I remember you come up to the DC Bureau a lot and, uh, you would just kind of scut off the, the set and do the radio program. And back in those days, in the DC Bureau, back when it was in the Nebraska Avenue Studio,

as one of the guests was always, uh, Papi Cannon.

“And Pat, I think you and I both have, like, this affinity for Pat.”

He was an exceptionally nice guy, obviously some controversial, uh, views, but I remember this conversation we had right before a radio program once and I'm going to set this up. And we're trying to talk him out of doing a book. Do you remember this? Right.

You remember the idea? I do. I do remember it. I tried to talking out of doing a book that, uh, basically, I think it was, like, called the end of Whitey's world or something like that.

His brother-in-law offered to pay him a lot of money not to put the book out, uh, his publisher tried to get him not to put the book out. And he put the book out. And then, um, in shock of all shocks, there was great blowback on it. And, you know, for people that know Pat and that worked with Pat, and this goes all the way

back into the 1970s and 1980s, they will tell you that Pat was an extraordinarily nice man. He was kind to everybody, but he, like, Donald Trump, like, many other people in this Trump movement, uh, they, they were kind of stuck in 1954 for them. That was American. There were so many things with Pat that I agreed with, but on immigration and on a lot

“of these other issues, this nationalism and this, you know, uh, I think he too, like, uh,”

a certain historian that was on, uh, Tucker showed may have tried to play in Churchill for World War II. So, uh, there, there is a connection, uh, between Buchananism and Trump, as some, and I would say that, that, that, as people kind of grapple with where Donald Trump came from, I think you, you look at Pat Buchanan's campaigns in '92 and '96 along with Ross Peros campaigns

in '92 and '96, and that really, that really has brought us to where we are today, along with, uh, my former party, the Republican party and some of its worst instincts. Yeah, the reason I was bringing up Pat is because, so the chapter was called the end-of-way to America. He did get, like, go from MSNBC at the time after the book came out, and, and I'm thinking

about this now and it's like, some of the stuff Pat wrote about in that book and that chapter specifically, it's like, you, you would get that from, uh, an everyday Stephen Miller

special and immigration, and, and, um, I guess, I don't know, how do we get here? Like, how, how, how did your ex party get here?

Well, I get here by Donald Trump making it acceptable, you know, it's so incredible when

“you look at what people get away with saying, and Congress every single day now, I remember”

Steve, Steve King out of Iowa said something that was, I don't even remember exactly what it was, but there's no where a shocking as a lot of things that we're hearing said today. And I remember the party just decided we're going to kick King off the committees, we're not going to find him, and we're going to drive him for Congress, and so they did successfully drive Steve King for Congress, because that wasn't the idea of what they wanted the Republican

Party to be. Donald Trump came along, and, you know, in December of, of 2015, he started talking about a Muslim registry, and I remember saying in early December, when he said that, I said, this is what Germany looked like in 1933, 1934, this is a real problem, and I'm sure Republicans will reject this.

Well, now, after he talked about a Muslim registry, his numbers went up, before this

“super Tuesday primary in 2016, he denied knowing who David Duke was, despite the fact”

that he would not ever join the reform party, because David Duke was in it and was a racist. He even sort of knocked around, uh, fainting ignorance about the Ku Klux Klan, didn't want to say anything negative about the Ku Klux Klan. Again, something deeply disqualifying, something that we said at the time was deeply disqualifying, wrote about the Washington Post said it was deeply disqualifying, but after he said it,

his numbers just went up, where the course is course supporters, and the Republican Party. So, he has it normalized it over 10 years, he normalized it very quickly, and there's a huge part of the Republican Party that was perfectly fine with that, which is why the party is led us to where they are, and why I no longer Republican. I guess I grapple with what is the extent to the extent to where the party will go with,

because some of the headlines, I mean, obviously, headlines all the time are really troubling, but, you know, we've had a couple of tragic deaths in the past week and Maine and Texas. The stories about the Ice Age and Maine in particular have really kind of shaken me in a way that this guy who his ex-wife said he choked and slammed their 13-year-old. Trump has sent her through the 13-year-old daughter through a coffee table.

Another wife has said that she had to get a protective order against him. I mean, these are the people that they're putting on the street, and I have to have to imagine that at a certain point, the voter tolerance for this stuff is just exhausted, and I would like to think that a certain point, like the Republican appetite for this type of politics, kind of exhausted self, and yet, you see Mark Wayne Mullin, you know, back

office position that he's going to, you know, stop these vehicle, stops, and then you see reports on the times that they're not going to have the FBI investigate any of this conduct. But it's like the end principle of this, where I struggle with that, like I read just going to be in this kind of militant state as long as Trump's in office. Well, you struggle with it because the Republican Party struggles with it because the White

House struggles with it, most of the people inside the White House, who thought for a very long time that Stephen Miller's absolute disposition on this doesn't make sense. Really, he said, yeah, he set up, quote us, he set up numbers because the last thing he wanted to see in the last thing Trump wanted to see, we're headlines that said Joe Biden deported more illegal immigrants, the Donald Trump.

But as we try to explain time and time again on the show, Joe Biden's always going to

have higher numbers of deportation, he led so many people in, and they were just at the border. And so it's very easy to deport 1,000 or 2,000 or 3,000 people a day when you're letting, I don't know, 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 people in. So their numbers, especially when they get serious about closing the border in 2023, 2024,

“I think it was, their numbers are always going to be higher.”

And what Stephen Miller has found out, but he's not going to stop and what Donald Trump should have figured out, and I thought he did figure out, was the political costs of going street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, community by community was going to be too high for the Republican Party, Donald Trump's numbers collapsed on immigration. That should be his strongest number out.

If you say to the American vote, I always, I always look at my parents who were Republicans,

And I say, well, what would my parents say about the current situation that we're in?

And I know this, that in 2021, 2022, 23, they would have been angry.

“And what I said, what the hell is going on at the southern border?”

Why are we letting everybody in? Why it's chaos down there? We have borders, we are a nation of laws. Why is Joe Biden allowing that to happen? I have no doubt that if my parents were alive and watching news over the past year, so they

would be horrified, or if I'd not just as Christians, but horrified as Americans to see how so many people were being treated, how immigrants were being treated, how people were coming here to seek refugee status were being treated, how Americans that were exercising

the first amendment right were getting gunned down in the streets of America, execution

soil doesn't work now. The one thing I have said, when you ask a question, how long will Americans take it, I will say, I'm more optimistic than meca is, which is good, because sometimes I'm overly optimistic, sometimes she's overly pessimistic. But the one thing I have gotten her to agree on is the fact that Cumaro Brayow Garcia was not the perfect victim to hold out. It was not the perfect representative for what,

his wife accused him of beating her. One judge said that he was in a gang, there were questions about his background, then again, weren't sterling. What make a sterling profile of the kind

“of person that you would want to hold up in pushing back against immigration?”

There were a lot more candidates who were easier to defend. And yet, Americans stood up and pushed back hard for this Maryland man, as he was called, and they wanted this Maryland man to be able to return to the United States. And I said to me, I said, listen, there's a majority of Americans who were saying, yeah, he may not be perfect. He may fall in short in a lot of different ways, but Americans see the injustice in his case, and they don't

want to stand for it. That is a positive sign. I will say, though, the fact that the Trump administration has gone back to doing the things they've been doing in the streets of America is tragic. It's also politically short-sighted. It will cost Republicans. It will cost Susan Collins. It will cost Ken Pax and in Texas. Yeah, I would like to believe that. But I at the same time, and I grew up at Greg Garcia. It was the principle that he was deported to the wrong country,

and people stood up for that. And I thought that was refreshing. Obviously, you don't pick the causes or the people that you want to have associated with the cause. You just go with the principle. I don't think this is a disagreement. I just, I found the reaction. So, when Mark Wayne Mullen last week said, he's going to stop these vehicle stops, which has been the cause of these horrible deaths and man in Texas, I found the backlash on the right to be probably the

more disturbing part, which was every single MAGA account on the internet basically was like, you

“was like, how could you betray us, Mark, Wayne Mullen? You should be impeached for doing this.”

There was an intense political pressure placed on him to reverse that policy reversal, and he did it. And maybe this, again, the other thing is a disagreement. But there's, there is this acute pressure on Trump to just go full throttle on this stuff. And so that probably will end up hurting them

in the long run for sure. That's one of the extreme online right now. I've always thought that Donald

Trump made a terrible mistake by following X so closely. He's obsessed with X. He's obsessed with, with what people say about him. Cash betel gets selected to the FBI. I think they were moving away from him, but the campaign for cash on X was so strong. They knew they couldn't back off of it. So, if you're Donald Trump and you're controlling this movement, I mean, why are you worrying about X? It's kind of like what I said about Kamala Harris in the 2020 campaign. She was so obsessed

on what people were saying about her on Twitter that I think it twisted and distorted what kind of campaign she read. I mean, if I'm learning somebody's presidential campaign, I'm like, stay off at social media. Do you think Trump at this point could repulse though, right? Like, I guess he's addicted to the screen, but you would think you could repulse. And the, in the point, it has moved away on that on the issue. And the flip side of the, you know, the Democrats,

you mentioned Harris, what would you suggest they do in terms of an immigration platform area? Because obviously, they had this whole debate about a Bosch ice, and whether that was toxic. You know, I've colleagues here. I got Bill Crystal of all people who's like,

time, we just went through this experiment, right, where it didn't work. So what would you advise them

“to do? I think the best thing to do is say, we are a nation of laws, first of all, and so”

if we have laws about who can come in the United States and who can't come into the United States, we should enforce those laws. And we do that with a border patrol, the border patrol on the border.

Right, not in Dallas, not in Maine, not in Minneapolis. So that's the first thing you do. So

we are a nation of laws, but we're also a compassionate nation as well. And it's just a balancing act. It's amazing. Barack Obama was able to do that. You know, he, he got a lot of pushback from from Hispanic groups, because they called him the supporter and chief, but he at least had a more compassionate approach that allowed immigrants to come in, that allowed people to pursue their green cards, that recognized refugees status. So I would look to help Barack Obama did it.

It was very compassionate. I would also say to Democrats, do what I do, quote Ronald Reagan to Republicans and quote Ronald Reagan's final speech to America, his farewell speech to America,

where he said, you can go to France, but you never be a Frenchman, you can go to Turkey or

Germany, never be a Turkey or a German, but you come to the United States of America, lift your right hand and take that oath and you become an American. And Reagan says, this is the one thing that separates us from every other country in the world. We are the melting pot and as Reagan said, and again, Democrats should quote Reagan back to Republicans that they're running against. Reagan said, if we ever cut off and close our doors to immigrants, we will

become older, we will become more exhausted, we will become poorer, we will become less free.

“That's what I would say to Democrats, balance it like Barack Obama, balance it, at the same time,”

quote Ronald Reagan back to Republicans telling them that their approach is a historic, it's un-American and it's not even conservative. Yeah, I've read the Reagan speech. It's really good. Honestly, it's really good. I think it's notable that it was as last speech because this is what he chose to focus on. I want to get to Ronald's second, but I do want to just one last question because I stumble on the ice component of this. I read you that piece. You have these people

who have been not vetted at all, basically hired with a $50,000 signing bonus, some of them no college degrees, barely through law enforcement training at all. And they're not in this agency that's got tens, hundreds of millions, billions of dollars. And they've been weaponized against the American people. Next Democrat takes office. They got to do something with ice. They can't just leave it as is. So what do you do with ice? Well, I mean, you know, the thing is,

it's just going into the campaign, though, you don't want to give Republicans an opening, you want to keep it on costs, costs, and costs. Okay, affordability of health care, the affordability of gas prices, affordability of groceries, the affordability of ramp,

“the affordability of mortgages. That's what Democrats stick on. And if they stay on that,”

they will win. I would not get into abolish ice. I would not get into defund the police. But what I want to say this, ice has to be reformed. There have to be body cameras. We have to have a rigorous training regiment that's every bit as rigorous as what the NYPD or the LAPD are, any other major police department does, because you look at the way these clowns in circle, somebody and push them to the ground. It's so unprofessional and it leads to tragedy.

One other thing to them, there has to be accountability for ice agents that shoot in your kill Americans, immigrants, illegal immigrants, people seeking asylum, there has to be justice. Because when there is justice, then there will be more accountability. And that'll put up the guard rails that need to be put up right now. But the fact that somebody can shoot Alex, predi execution style and then be whisked away from the scene. Somebody can shoot

Renee Good and then be whisked away from the guy's identity, right? Yeah, we have never

offended that. Right. The fact that they're still having a hard time conducting investigations up in Minneapolis, those people should be investigated. They deserve due process, this sort of due

to go to trial. And if they're found guilty of manslaughter or murder, they need to go to jail.

“I think that's the best thing we can do to change the way ice is being run right now. And I think”

I think this goes all the way up to officials. I think Kristi now, I think Kristi now needs to be investigated. The way she ran ice, what she was encouraging them to do, because just getting somebody in the field that pulled the trigger, when what he was doing was really in pursuit of what Kristi now was trying to do. I think there needs to be accountability up and down the line. If there's accountability up and down the line, that'll be everybody from Mark Wayne, Mollin or who else,

whoever is running DHS all the way down to the ice officer in the streets, they will all understand that actions have consequences. Amen, man. Appreciate that. Eating well can be honestly difficult when life gets busy. And frankly, I'm running a publication here. Life is busy. There's no time for meal planning or cooking. And when I do get home,

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and use the promo code the bowlwork for 50% off. Thanks to Forkful for sponsoring this episode. All right, I got switched to Iran. I'm going to steal the clip that you played on your show this morning. Laura Ingram, Dartmouth grad. She kind of just said the pretext out last night on Fox. Let's play the clip and have you react to it on the flip side. I end with the midterm elections a little more than 100 days away. The clock is ticking. For President Trump to get out of this

war before voters head to the polls. It's making a lot of Republicans nervous. It's already as we know on popular. According to the new Washington Post, if so, it's polls 69% of Americans disapprove of the handling of this conflict. Republicans cannot let this become an endless distraction, especially if they want to win in November. I see no lies. It's a bit cynical, but I see no lies there. I wish Fox and I would have been a bit more aggressive at the early stages of

the war when we were talking about what it was, what a catastrophic decision this was, but my problem is that when you give the Iranian's leverage, they're going to exploit that leverage. And they're going to humiliate you and destroy you. Jimmy Carter had an election that he had to worry about in 1980 coming up with Ronald Reagan in 1980. And Chris Matthews comes on the show all the time. He says the Iranians just humiliated Carter, humiliated all of us. They knew he was desperate

for a deal because he had an election coming up with Ronald Reagan. It's the same thing now with Donald Trump. The Iranians know that there are midterm elections that Donald Trump is worried about. So they're going to use that as their leverage. And so what happens to we sign an MOU and then do we end up with a deal? They give the Iranians half a trillion dollars like the last MOU. I mean, the Iranians proved he can't even bribe them with a half a trillion dollar deal because the

the instinct to humiliate American presidents is so great. They can't even take yes for an answer.

“So I think right now Donald Trump's in a very difficult position because bribing them out of the war,”

even in a way that would have really undercut American interest in the region and undercut our

If you're looking for the long term, there's not going to be a military solution to this,

“but there will be an economic solution to this. But that economic solution and weakening the”

Iranian economy even further and it's in shambles right now, that doesn't have a neat timeline. You can't get that done by early November. Maybe it'll happen. You know, the Soviet Union fell overnight. Maybe this Iranian Republic will fall overnight. But chances are good. If you're looking at what Laura is looking at and I understand why Republicans are worried about this, but geopolitically, that's no way to run a war. It's certainly no way to run negotiations because you give the

other side leverage and the Iranians are extraordinarily effective in negotiating against desperate

American presidents. Yeah, you're missing the biggest card that Trump can play here. They're just

cancel the midterm elections. Get rid of the leverage, right? You're going to make me a very nervous. I've got that every day. She talks about that every day and I have to tell her that's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

“The economic leverage point I think is valid and yet, obviously it gets to your point,”

which is they don't really have to be all that concerned about it. They don't have elections to worry about, whereas Trump kind of blurred it out during the last MOU when he was defending. He was like, we were four weeks away from a global energy catastrophe. He said that a lot. This is why I had to do the MOU, because you don't know what it was like if, in four weeks,

no, there is a report this morning that we are 43 days away from our strategic reserve being depleted.

Okay, so in terms of economic leverage, I'm not totally, you're probably right, but like what is our advantage or all that pronounced, right? I can't tell. Yeah, it may have to be a cold war. It may have to be a cold war. Like a tit-for-tat bombing every night. We just kind of like, we're in the stasis. They could do that if they wanted to. I don't know that we had the munitions to do that, but as Richard Hauss said on our show before, you do a blockade and nothing

gets in. Nothing gets out. It's the Iranians who are going to suffer the most from that, and we're going to have to figure out right now the UAE and other countries are trying to figure out the most effective way to make the straight less central to the oil trade globally. There's other reports that from an intelligence gathering standpoint and from military standpoint, I'll just read the post story. Rans government is unlikely to feel significant impact or

soften its negotiating position as a result of new rounds of US military strikes like those on away, according to new intelligence assessment described by current and former US officials, analysts at American spy agencies have also concluded that Tehran and Washington are for now stuck in an indefinite limbo between peace and war. The official said, an uneasy dynamic given the increasingly deadly nature of the TIT fatat hostilities between

intonations, and there's another report again from the post says the US is planning for a water war that's according to US official familiar with internal administration discussions. This is called really stuck with me. This is the same official. We do not have enough to safely sustain operations, and I don't think the White House is aware of that they're talking about

“interceptors in the like. I'm shocked at how off guard we are military. I think the strikes”

in Jordan that happened over the weekend tragically result in the deaths of two service members, maybe three, really are pretending something particularly dark here. I think what I'm shocked by, even though I don't know if I've heard you, but I was once a Republican in the United States Congress. I was, you know, I don't really talk about it. I don't like talk about it. No. No, don't tell anybody. Let's not focus on this too long because they don't like people to say, "Oh my God, what is

you really?" But it's an arm service committee for four terms, and even with that background, even in the background of all the people I knew and met, and I've continued to talk to over the past two and a half decades, I still was caught off guard and shocked by the fact that we're running short our munitions. The fact that the United States spends more money on their national defense than the next 16 countries combined, and we're finding ourselves in this position,

it's just shocking to me. I have no idea how we plan so poorly that supplying the Ukrainians, weirdo, possible munition, shortfalls really, supplying an ally to the fire missiles at Russia, and now I'm hearing after three or four weeks of war with Iran, the same thing happening.

advanced weapon systems that we continue to pour billions and billions and billions and dollars

“into, but we're obviously not equipped to fight a 21st century war. I mean, you look at what's”

happening with Ukraine and Russia right now? Russia can't fight a 21st century war. You look at what's happening with the United States against Iran. Our trillion dollar weapon systems are no match for Iran's drones. So we've got to figure out a way to be leaner, to be meaner, maybe have less of a defense budget, but one that focuses more on asymmetric warfare because what we're doing right now is not working and it's leaving our troops exposed. Yeah, and I just look at the

nightly coverage of the street of her moves. I mean, over the night, the couple oil tankers were hit by drones. The Jordanian base, I was talking about currently about this. That was a drone, but it was not a missile that was launched in the drone. And I guess in this modern warfare,

“that is just what you have to deal with. So I want to just push on what you're talking about,”

but because this morning you were saying on the show, you can't just leave Iran in bolt and buy this, right? And I think the military investment for some sort of military victory is I'm not sure something that trumpets stomach or the voters were stomach. So what is the actual way out? Well, the only way out is you've got a squeeze of economically. I say that's the only way out because surrendering and surrendering at the MUU. So the MUU though, I thought at the time when they did the MUU,

I thought it was a shitty deal that was worse than the JCPOA, which was a little bomb negotiated. And yet I was also like, this is, we have to do something like this because this can't be sustained. And that was even violated pretty quickly, right? So what is the alternative?

If it go ahead, sorry, I see the floor here. No, first of all, the MUU was just a disaster.

And it was a disaster again because it would have given a terror regime that's been the epicenter of terrorism since 1979, half a trillion dollars. It would put them in a better economic situation than they'd been in since 1979. When in fact right now, they're in the worst economic situation. They have been in since 1979. So militarily, going TIT for TAT doesn't work with them. Just doesn't, because again, we're wasting the emissions that we don't really have.

And they're still able to kill American troops with drones, with asymmetric warfare. So it seems to me, a cold war and a war that focuses on squeezing them as tightly as we can economically may be the only solution. And that may be the only solution, even though, again, it won't help

“Republicans in the short term, but it'll help America and the long run. And again, what's the timeline?”

I don't know what the timeline is, but I certainly know that surrendering and making the Iranians the

most powerful regime in that region, giving them control, the fact they'll control over the

straits, giving them the ability to build nuclear weapons, giving them the ability to rebuild their stockpiles to fire at our allies in the region, that's going to turn a lot of allies against the United States, and it's going to end up killing a lot of Americans. So it looks something like this. You put on a really heavy embargo, sort of like what you did prior to the MOU. And the meantime, you kind of scrambled to look for alternatives to the straight

form of moves. You ramp up production that's going to take a while to get online, but you try to open up whatever spikots are out there. Then you put on just absolutely aggressive sanctions, as much as you can, secondary tertiary sanctions. And you look for any other economic leverage you have on a run and then you sit back and you wait for them to cry out, and you say, we're not going to move until you know, until you basically give us some sort of legitimate diplomatic offer

amp here, and not this bogus, $500 billion or sanctions relief, we'll talk in 60 days MOU.

Right. And it's probably the most unsatisfactory way forward for somebody like Donald Trump, who demands a meat recipe, who gets bored very easily, who doesn't, doesn't want to sit back and wait. It's like, you know, it's like Homer Simpson and the Simpsons, trying to figure out what to do. He said, well, now let's play the waiting game. And after two seconds, he goes, the waiting game sucks. Let's play hungry. I'm pretty emotional. That sort of how Donald Trump fell. See,

he told us he was bored with a war like months ago. But again, it's just going through

well, terror regime on the planet, but also the most, the most powerful regime in that region

is not a possibility. And continuing this hot war with them doesn't seem to be very good possibility.

“So I think what you said is, is all we can do, and there's no timeframe on it. We didn't know”

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boarck. Now, after your purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we send you. What do you thought some pee? Big fan. I mean, he's just such an embarrassment. Well, no, he's a child. He acts like a child. He was not qualified to be secretary of defense. He's a least qualified secretary of defense in the history of this republic. You look at all the things that came up during the vetting. I mean, he even lied to the Trump

transition team. They hated him inside of there because they caught him lying time and again, and then all of these things came out. Johnny Aren't should have voted. No, there's no way he should have gotten through the committee where it is that she was threatened and her family was threatened. And, you know, the whole, whole MAGA base turned against her. And so, she backed down. And now, she's, she's quit. Not going to run for reelection. But he's terrible. And what makes him,

well, there's some of the things that make him terrible. First of all, the fact that he is simply

finds the idea of promoting women or people of color. In fact, he sees that as a opponent. The fact that he clearly clearly has racial racial animus towards people in uniform that are not white. The fact that he took down Chappie James's picture, Chappie James, the black airman who flew more combat missions than anybody else in the history of America's armed forces. Not no more than any black pilot. No more than any person of color who happened to be a fighter pilot.

But more combat missions than anybody else and Pete Heggsett, the sides. He wants his picture taken down to sides that he's going to block the promotion of women, going to block the promotion of people of color. It's just disgraceful. And again, this is a guy that's living in 1954.

“It's terrible. It's terrible for the armed forces. I think also every time he opens his mouth,”

I think he makes Donald Trump look weaker. He makes a Pentagon look weaker. Expand it. Why? Well, because he's so childish. He gets up there and he puffs out his chest. And he plays sort of some reality TV show warrior. He's a cartoon character plan.

And they're like, what did you look? He's a child. And so that makes Donald Trump look weaker.

Did you watch a video about him doing the testosterone testing for the troops? Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. I also saw what, uh, uh, I don't know if he loves checked. What general hurtling said about it? That's good to sound. Yes. It is. Like, you're a young man. No. Like, like, you've been saying that for 17 years. Why is it like, why do these guys obsess so much on testosterone levels? Like, they had it.

“And this even went back to people like selling devices where you're saying you need to put”

sun in the private regions. So you're your testosterone. Like, this is just not saying James Taloreca said, Kim Paxon accused me of being low T. I had to look it up because nobody my age. Where is it? I'll be your low T. But there is a constant obsession about testosterone. RFK junior says Donald Trump has a highest levels of testosterone. I've ever seen in my life for a man, his age. And it is like, it's like that overcompensation. It's like, you know, back in the

90s when all these guys were in a buying humbers to drive around and you sit there, you're like, okay, I see what that guy's overcompensating. Yeah, it's a version of that, Joe. It's just instead of buying expensive car, you get your T injections or whatever the hell. I did knock her up this way,

honestly. Nobody. I swear. I got nobody. I never talked to anybody. Never talked to anybody

“about their testosterone. Yeah, wasn't in the dorm room with, like, Jacob. Yeah. Hey, what's your”

deep level about it? Just don't talk about that. And by the way, if if there are or are teenagers and 20 year olds in the military, even 30 year olds that are worried about lower testosterone levels, dude, go to a doctor, something is seriously wrong with you. Yeah, that age you shouldn't have to breathe. It's safe. Yeah, it's safe. That wasn't my problem if that is. No. I had the other Brian was wondering a little bit of a shot, so I could take that kind of lower it. I mean, it's

way easy that these guys are so obsessed with their testosterone levels. Well, again, yeah, overcompensating. But they're all sort of like, heck, Seth is what? Like, 43, 44, 45, something like. Right. RFK is older, but like, they're kind of on the downslopes and they're holding on for dear life. And RFK, obviously, you know, is injecting his body mass is a little bit off. I'm going to be honest with you. And he, he does weird shit. And, you know, I think these guys

just sort of are holding on and struggling with the aging process and so they are overcompensating and projecting. Let me tell you, I will tell you again, and my mid 40s, you said, he had no problem. That was not my problem. And I just got to wonder, again, what's long with these people physically that they're starting to obsess over this and they're 20, 30s and 40s. Greg Seth is 46 to be precise. But yeah, this is it's on behavior. And I just think

shooting the video, it's like one thing to like have the policy, which whatever I find they learn to then proactively go out and be like, you know what, I'm going to shoot this kind of

“sea Alice like commercial video to make it for now. That's why. Yeah, don't know. Just announce the policy.”

I could just announce the policy. It's like, but like, Cash Patel yesterday, I don't know if you saw the Cash Patel World Cup video. I'm sure you did. Did you see it? No, no, what did you do? With the crowning of the FIFA 2026 World Cup champion, the FBI blows the final whistle on the largest special security event ever held in the United States. I'm proud to say it ended without any major security issues. And that wasn't bi-acid. It's thanks to unprecedented planning

and the tireless efforts of the men and women of the FBI, as well as our federal, state, local and international partners. It's like you don't need to hype yourself up. You don't need to take a victory lap for doing your job. Just like say, you know, put out a press release or

even say anything at all. Just you don't need to. Yeah. And heck's it always puts out those videos?

She's like, oh, we are mighty and we are mad. Yeah. Dude, stop playing Secretary of Defense. You are Secretary of Defense. You don't have to do that. You don't have to do it. You don't have to do it. You make you it. You've gotten to the peak. You're fine. Right. Right. All right. We got a couple more I want to get there before I have to let you go. Bibi. And then you know, this is a month old, but I've been meaning to talk to you about this. So

freaking out. And I think you properly put it in context. Like, okay, this is a New York thing.

You look across the country. There's not like a DSA revolution happening here. But you had these comments about Bibi. And I thought they were really profound and thought provoking in a way, because one sort of bidding, why is this sort of the kind of anti-Israel sentiment that's taking grip of not just the Democratic Party, but the Republican Party, too. And you said, if you want to blame anybody for what happened last

“night, this is the primaries that you're talking about. I think you have to blame Benjamin Netanyahu.”

And you want not to talk about how there's four years of maximal aims that people should not be coached on these roles in such low standing in America right now. I want you to expand on that for a little bit, because I, I thought that was underappreciated that comment, because it's not, you don't normally get that on TV. Yeah, you know, just to give, just to give you my background, as you know, but if other people watch you may not know, I'm a Southern Baptist. And we support

Israel. Evangelicals have always supported Israel. And the existence of Israel, we've done it for

religious purposes. I mean, I don't speak for all Baptists. I don't speak for all Evangelicals. I'm just saying we grew up believing that Jews were gods, chosen people, and that, that we celebrated

“Israel's existence in 1948. And it was sort of a matter of faith that we supported Israel,”

and Israel's right to exist. And also on top of that, because I am such an old dude, one of my first memories was the 72 Munich Olympics. Yeah. And so watching these terrorists, these masked terrorists break in, and kill Israeli athletes, and growing up, hearing about one PLO bombing after another PLO bombing, one PLO hijacking after another. It was pretty easy, like growing up when I grew up, just seeing Israel is the good guys, and seeing PLO is terrorists. And you know, you take the

1967 war, and you know, you've got all the Arab countries attacking Israel, 73, all the Arab countries attacking Israel. It was pretty obvious, well, why we kind of need to support Israel. They are the one democracy in the region, et cetera, et cetera. And so that was my frame of reference. And what I said that morning was, that was my frame of reference growing up now, imagine that you're of this generation. Now, imagine that you are under 25 or under 30. Your views of Israel,

and the Palestinians has been shaped by Benjamin Netanyahu's maximalist policies, certainly shaped by what's happened in Gaza, the bombing in Gaza, the famine in Gaza, the whole Asia's conditions in Gaza, the debate over whether genocide was happening in Gaza or not. And that is, that is a debate that's going on, especially in the Democratic Party right now, because what happened there was so heinous. And then you look at what's happening with the West Bank

settlers. You know, one illegal settlement after another illegal settlement. And one of the things I've been bringing up to try to sort of shake people from my own tribe, or at least my former tribe, is talking about it's not just happening to Muslims. It's not just happening to the others. It's happening to Christians and Bethlehem. It's happening to Christians across the West Bank. They are being terrorized by these radical settlers on the West Bank. Their fields are being

destroyed by radical settlers on the West Bank. Their children are being terrorized by these radicals on the West Bank. So with that is your backdrop. It's pretty easy to figure out why voters who are under 35 have looked at these maximalist things even after the horrors of October this seventh and said, okay, wait a second. This doesn't make sense. The United States can't keep giving Israel $3 billion a year to bomb civilians, whether it's in Gaza or whether it's in southern

Lebanon, et cetera, et cetera. And my point is always, Ben, that Netanyahu had this mistaken belief,

“a cynical belief actually. I think he just, he needed an endless war because without an endless”

war he's going to be put in prison and that's something that New York Times wrote about months ago. But he needed that endless war. And so he has continued the war. And after Gaza, it's southern Lebanon and it was pulling Donald Trump into Iran. And so those numbers have shifted dramatically because

And let me explain how it's a historic antibody that studied the Middle East.

“So anybody that's just seen the events of the Middle East that I've seen across my lifetime understands,”

there's always blowback. There's always blowback. So you do what you, you do in Gaza.

There's going to be blowback for a generation. You do what you do in southern Lebanon. There's going to be blowback in generation. And if you don't leave the New York Times or watch Morning Joe for God's sake, just watch a season of homeland. So they blowback. Yes. And there's going to be massive blowback. And my concern, as somebody who at his core has always been a supporter of Israel, my concern all the long was that BB was going to

turn Americans against Israel. And that's exactly what he's done. Oh yeah. Yeah, 100% did you watch Ram speech in Israel, Benijan? I did. And he had a lot of great ideas here. I will say also, for people that come to me, I will, we were attacked on October 7th. Yeah, you were attacked on October 7th. And you had the whole world on your side. Just like we had the world on our side

“after 9/11. But here's the thing that for Netanyahu defenders, here's the thing I still don't”

understand. Benjamin Netanyahu was asked by Qatar three weeks before the attacks. Do you want us to continue funding hummus? And he said yes, because Benjamin Netanyahu had continued to fund this terror organization that he said was focused only on killing Jews. And they existed in a large part and were had the resources for October 7th in large part because of all the money Benjamin Netanyahu pushed Qatar to give. And then it takes 10, 11, 12 hours to respond to people who are being

butchered all across Israel. I still don't understand it. It's just, it is the worst leadership I've seen. And I pray to God for the sake of Israel that he's voted out. For people who didn't see wrong

speech, wrong, basically, Alan, what you said. And more or less saying, you know, this is two

Israelis saying you need to wake up. Your leader, your prime minister, has made you a global pariah by what he's done. And for them to do that, people should understand. It's pretty big deal. I'm obviously an observant Jew and he, um, big proponent of U.S. is really ties. And also Sam, his father. His father was a his father for is an IDF and it was, it did run get raised on a, on a, like, in Israel for a period of time. Yeah, wrong. Is his pro Israeli as you can be. But, you know,

something that wrongs him. Yeah, something that wrongs him. Yeah, something that wrong said that really struck a court in me was he said, this isn't 1967. This isn't 1973. This, this is, this is,

this is 2026. Israel is obviously the most powerful country in that region. And the United

States doesn't have to keep giving it welfare. And what he said is, we should treat Israel equally with all of our other allies. We should treat Israel the same way we treat Great Britain, the same way we treat France, the same way we treat our other allies across the globe. I might not be, you know, if you're talking about how Trump treats his allies, that might not be. No, I'm not really bad. Yeah, that would be good. But I'll just say, just close at the

Israel section, the common refrain you hear when, when you talk about the stuff we're talking about right now is that's victim blaming. You know, Benjamin Netanyahu Israelis were attacked on October 7th. And now you're saying that they're responsible for that to which I say, no, that's not victim blaming. Netanyahu made a series of various strategic choices after October 7th. And prior to October 7th, that have isolated from the horrific act of violence

that happened that day, put Israel in a much worse geopolitical state and really hampered American perceptions of Israel. And everything that was happening in the West Bank and all those settlements, that's different than what happened in Gaza. And those are choices that the Netanyahu government made. Right? You can't to your point. You can't just say, well, we will openly support you no matter what you do. We have a global strategic interest, too. And I do this

as someone who loves supports with bar, bar midsword in Israel. I do this as someone who is a supporter of Israel, I say. Right. So that's my own two cents in there. Well, and, and, you know,

“Ron, Ron is said that we're, you know, the worst thing we did was give you a blank check telling”

that you have, you can do whatever you want to do. And we're, and we're going to support you and the problem with that is, again, the blowback, you, you, you can't, you can't continue an endless

saying. I understand what you're saying. I, I just think there has to be a more balanced

foreign policy for Israel, a moving forward. And they've got a lot of work to do to get younger Americans to start to win them again and both in both parties. Yeah, no, no doubt. All right, we got a quick dash final couple of topics here. We're doing 50% tariffs on Cano. You excited about that? Let me read you about what this is for. Feuders and Terra from Canadian goods and 30 days declaring that Cano has unfairly discriminated against American autos, alcohol, and cheese. I did not,

I did not cheat. The last week, Donald Trump said he was going to put, put Terra of sundown because of the snow that they came down from Canada because of the full of fires,

where that happened four years ago to probably happen again. And as Doug Ford said,

at some point there will be wildfires in the United States and Canadians will come down to help us because they're good neighbors. Will they come down to help us at this point? Of course,

“so come down to help us in California. I'll give them that. But after this, honestly,”

I'm dead serious. After what's happening? Why would we love Canadians and Canadians love us? And they understand that this is just a plan. Every time I'm in Finland and I see somebody wearing a blue chase jersey, I go in and hug them. And I go, I went, shouldn't know, we love you. I got a safe sandwich. I was talking to a guy from Buffalo about a week or two ago. And I said to him, we were watching the World Cup at a bar. And I turned to him and he said, dude, one of the greatest moments

and international diplomacy came earlier this year when at a Saver's game, a home game, the microphone went out for O Canada and all of those Buffalo fans joined in in the United City and said a message, we love you. We love Canada. And if you, if your person can't

“see your national anthem, then damn it, we're going to do it with you and for you. I think it's”

pretty beautiful. That's very hardening. I wish they would stop fucking with our cheese. Yeah, exactly. Where did the cheese come from? I don't know that there's a problem. Why tax Americans? This is a thing. It is clearly a tax on Americans is something again. You look at all the things that Donald Trump's done by raising the deficit to record levels, raising the national debt to record levels, raising tariffs to record levels, actually having American spending

more money on servicing the interest on the debt than on our national defense, taking over parts of corporations. You talk about controlling the means of production. Donald Trump is taking over parts of companies right now and they have the nerve to call Democrats, socialists, and Communists. It's right out of Marx's handbook. Right. Well, so that brings me to the sort of the question about how do they go about litigating this three or four months left we have in this campaign,

right? I don't think there's like a lot particularly to run on. I mean, I'm obviously biased a little bit, but like the record is not all that great if you put it, the stock market's fine. Obviously, he made that big speech last week around, say, the American Act on election conspiracy

“theorizing because he wants to influence the vote. But what else is the platform?”

Like what else is the platform for Republicans heading into the November? There is no platform. It's like the, I think, the 24 scare tactics. It's just scare tactics. That's all they can do, but it's not going to work here. I mean, that worked in 24 in a presidential race. It's not going to work in 26. I mean, costs corruption, the chaos inside and outside the government, the cruelty, all of these things are going to add up for Democrats. And, and, but everything they do,

if they talk about corruption, which worked in Hungary and will work here, I always found when I was

running in '94, we, we would always talk about, you know, we'd talk about policies, policies, policies, policies, and then we'd say, and then look what they're doing with their house banking scandal. And you throw the corruption in and you tie it back again to economic issues. So everyone didn't do anything. Yeah, everything needs to come back to costs. Health insurance cost. I think health care remains sort of the hidden massive. We're talking about all of these other

things. I think at the end of the day, health care is going to keep growing as a major issue, because it's just become so unaffordable. Interesting. And, you know, they slashed Medicaid.

going to shut down rural hospitals. That's going to keep a lot of people away from their primary

care providers. So that plus the problem people have having private insurance companies pay for

“the policies. I think it's a real issue. Yeah, let me play a clip from, which I think encompasses”

the problem they have in their salesmanship, especially to the people who they turn to in 24, the base. This is from Tim Dylan, a comedian podcaster who was, what's kind of Trump curious, supportive in 2024 has clearly turned them. I want to play this clip, because I think this really summarizes the issue Republicans are going to have. They're in the White House. They have the Congress. They have the Senate. They have the Supreme Court. It is them. It is now them. I don't

want to hear about the deep state anymore. You're playing me for a fool. You're playing everyone for a fool. You brought in cash, Patel. You brought in that other guy, Dan Bungino, you threw him out or he laughed, whatever. You brought in, Pat, Pam Bondi and then threw her out. I'm sick

“of hearing about this deep state. All of these people, you have to be one of the stupidest people”

in the world before for this shit at this point. You're not wrong. They are the deep state. They are the deep state and something the Thomas Madison said. He said, "Wait, say, you're talking about elections being stolen. We won the House. We won the Senate. We won the White House. We control the Supreme Court. We control everything and Washington D.C. And you're talking about stolen elections. It makes no sense. It is the same big. They have nowhere to run. They have

nowhere to hide. And the problem is that they've got a president who's really unfocused on this campaign.

He's unfocused. The only thing he's doing right now is what Chris Christie said. He started doing in March of 2020 and started talking about riged elections. They're going to rig this election. They're going to do it with Melan Bellitz. And Christie told me later, he said it was very obvious to me at that point. In early 2020, he knew he was probably going to lose and he

“was already trying to make excuses. I think this is what all of this is about. It's pre-bottle”

if he can, if it's close enough and Democrats only have two or three see advantage after the elections are over. Then yes, he's going to try to steal it. He's going to try to get Mike Johnson to stop from seeding these people. If Democrats win big, it's just his pre-bottle to say, I still haven't lost an election. Those Democrats they just keep rigging it. But that said, let's step back and say he thinks the election in 2016

was fair. Who's president then? Barack Hussein Obama. Right. He felt the election in 2024 was fair. Who was president? Sleepy Joe Biden. So he said that these two people that he despise and say that dumb as people ever can run clean elections, but he couldn't in 2020. Literally, I will agree with him, Dylan here who have to be an idiot to follow that line of thinking and saying Obama ran a clean election by ran a clean election, but Donald Trump couldn't even run a clean election.

The conspiracy just goes that deep, Joe. All right, you get dealers' choice for last topic. I'm giving you three. Okay. State of cable news. You're probably not going to do that one. The Odyssey or our Boston Red Sox. Oh, do all three. Standard cable news. I can only speak

for Morning Joe. It's fine. Like the weirdly enough MS now. You always worry about these transitions.

It's worked out great. We're doing better than ever before. And if you keep a long term as good, like long, seriously, because obviously, you know, people are shifting their viewing habits and things like that. I think for sporting events and news, life news is still pretty good. I mean, you know, there's a great book written by Michael Wolf called television is the new television. And he talked about how like in with the AOL time Warner merger, the guys in AOL were treated like

guides and all people in an old media were like pushed to the side of the room. They got that. Television is the new television. He wrote that probably 15 years ago. Television is still the new television for live events, for sports that's still going all right. The Odyssey, it was, it was an extraordinary movie and it was nothing I love reading more than, you know, I love nothing more than than the mega tears. Have you been reading?

"No, this is a great movie. You did real Europe's road or do the cars out there. Oh, dear." And this goes back. This actually helps us end where we began with Pat Buchan. And you know,

“Pat looked at America. I think is a wide America in America of the 1950s. He didn't say”

the 1980s when Ronald Reagan was first selected. I think 86% of Americans were white.

It was still pretty big number. And what I always thought Pat didn't get,

night told in this, what Donald Trump has never gotten, what's even Miller will never get. America is not about blood and soil. America is not about race. America is about a creed. America at its best. As I've said before, I don't know all of the twists and turns. I probably don't want to look back to see what those twists and turns are. But my family's lived in this country across the deep South for about 400 years. We go back a long, long way.

You know, from being poor and George, to being poor in South Carolina, we have a vast history in America. What I love about this country is that I've been here for 400 years. My family's been here for 400 years. And yet today, somewhere in America, somebody will raise their hand. They will take that out. They will agree with that creed. And they will become every bit as

“much of an American as me and members of my family. I think that is something not only to celebrate,”

but to thank God for. We live in that country. And if you don't mind me preaching a little bit as a Baptist, understanding that a lot of people may not agree. We have this thing in Christianity. Where it's just saying that says the ground at the foot of Calgary is level. It's filled with everybody. And Jesus explained this in a parable to his disciples where he said, "Oh, you know, God, God came to work early in the morning and the field up, owner said,

I'll pay you X amount of money." And they kept coming throughout the day. And at the end of the day,

he paid everybody equally. And the guy that came early, he was saying, "Wait, wait a second,

I worked for 15 hours and you're paying me the same as this guy that came an hour before we, we, we ended it. That's not fair." Because of course that's fair. I told you what you were going to be paid. I told them all what they were going to be paid. And the idea was for us, salvation comes when you're ready to accept salvation, whether it's in the beginning of your life in the end of your life. It's the same thing with America. You become an American, the second

“you raise your hand. I think that's so unbelievably beautiful about this country. And I don't”

understand why Pat Donald Trump, Steven Miller, and so many other Republicans don't understand that. So that's, and it's only my point is that the Odyssey is not about whether all of the characters are straight, and all the characters are white, and all the characters look like they were chiseled from the same rock as Charlton Heston. The idea of the Odyssey is the celebration of Western ideas. And I think Christopher Nolan does that extraordinarily well. Welcome strangers.

Be upstanding. Be moral. And Nolan uses a lot of different great actors to do that. And so I think I think it's a victory for him. And what's your, what's your favorite Nolan? I've seen inception about 27 times. It's so good. I've seen it so good. And even the 27 times I'll sit and I go, oh, wait, wait. It's a thing for. Okay. So he's down this Japanese guy, wait. They're old. He's been

down. Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's so good. But prestige is actually my oldest on

cell. You know, Joey. That's Joey's favorite. No, I'm moving. It's so good. My youngest son, Jack. He likes interstellar. That's his choice. So I use Jack to sort of interpret tenet for me. I don't know if you've seen tenet. I've not, I didn't even see tenet. I was, I couldn't. By the time, by the time the general's were people had saw a tenet. I will just say, by the time the generals were mapping out the battlefield for the battle that had happened in the battle that was going to come. I just passed out.

And I went like, huh? But again, like, Homer Simpson in my head was, do you know, I had no idea.

“But I, you know, I weirdly enough. I first fell in love with with Christopher Nolan.”

And, and is interesting because I've never been a Batman fan. But Batman begins at the end of

Batman begins. I just a holy shit. I actually sat my seat. And I said, who did that? Maybe the boom, Christopher Nolan. I was like, like, even though I'd seen Momento, I didn't attach it to to Nolan. I feel like he's fantastic. Yeah, I really enjoyed Momento. But again, he, the way he challenges you to think about the sort of narrative arc is really impressive. And people should watch Procedure if they haven't seen it. Obviously, the way my gosh. Yeah. All right. We got close. 14 and a row, man.

I don't know. It's something that some demon magic has inflicted our franchise. I can't understand that this is the same team that everybody declared, including Bill Simmons. And everybody declared the worst Red Sox team in our lifetime. And they, they pulled off, 14. I love baseball. I love baseball. It's just one guy gets hot. The whole team gets hot. And one part goes out and says, I'm going to throw a shot out. The rest of them think, I can throw a shot out, too. It is remarkable. We'll

say this about baseball. And I don't want to get whimsical and all that stuff like Ken Burns. But there is something incredible about the sport where in the lowest moments, you can just be like, I can't invest myself in this. I'm not going to watch this stuff. It's just a waste of time. And yet you can't get away from it because it's so long. This season lasts so long. There's so many

different characters in it. There's so many ups and downs that eventually you always just kind of

come back. Right. Like I just somehow got drawn back into it. It's a part of our, it's a part of our life. Baseball has marked a passage of time. Ray. It's true. It's rolled by like an army of steam rollers, a race like a blackboard rebuilt and erased again. But baseball, I can't believe you're members of all has marked the time. Oh, so feel the dreams. The other dreams. I want to, I want to show my kid, my eldest kid. When he's ready, because he's now into baseball. And he collects cards,

which is like the greatest thing for me as a dad. Because we go to the, there's one card store around and we go and I actually held onto my baseball cards and I hand them to him and he's like, check in the mind. He's like, can Griffey, Junior Rookie, that's amazing. Yeah. But I want, I'm ready to show him field of dreams now because I think he can understand what is essentially something spiritual about the game that I don't think really exists in other sports. Maybe soccer

for the non-Americans, although Argentina did it's best to stamp that out. But baseball has something

“different than the other sports. It really does. I think the most important thing and field of”

dreams explains this for people that live to this. It's passed down from father to son or father to daughter. I remember some of my earliest memories. My dad taking me to Atlanta, Fulton County Stadium, us sitting with the other 4,576 people watching the others. I'm many great lose a hundred games that year. But I still remember I must have been four or five years old. It was bat day and a holding the bat in my hand. And it was like the greatest thing that had ever

happened. And, you know, my dad passed that down to us. I passed that down to my children. My son's and my daughter. And when we go to Fenway, it's just, it's, it's our happy place. And they will, you know, God willing, pass it down to their kids. That was, that was the extraordinary through line for, for field of dreams. And why people like meka will not watch the movie. And say, it's stupid. It's thing they've ever seen. Also have your son watch it. He hasn't watched

having watched the natural. Oh, my lord. I love the natural movie. Yeah. I love a little slow, but I love it. It's so good. It's good. All right, man. I appreciate this. It's been such a pleasure talking to you. We should do it again. But who it? I would love to do it again. Joe Scarborough. You can catch him on MS now. Every day from six to nine. We're going to convince him to bring

back his radio show that he did from nine to seven. No, not you never. We, we would do three hours

“of TV. We would rush down to W ab c. And then we would do two hours of radio. Why would you do that?”

And then and then while writing books. And then we would go to book events like from seven to nine. It was, it was an insane schedule. And even even with that insane schedule, I was not low T.

on that high note. We will end on that high note. Joe, thanks, man. I really appreciate your

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