Jon Favreau: Why Aren't More People Talking about Nipple-Gate?

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He also has the podcast offline with "John Favreau". That's been a good "Nappy-Fi" cast for me lately. It's "John Favreau". What's up, man?

“What's up? Is that, is that replaced "Podsave the World" as your "Nappy-Fi" cast?”

No, they both, they kind of go in back and forth. I was getting bored at the airport talking about "Sit of the World". Where are we going to go into offline? I like both.

You know, usually the first 25 minutes are good and then kind of dips in and out.

Then I kind of roll back in around minute 50. Apologize to people. For everyone, this could be a long podcast itself that you might unenap too. And I'm sorry if it came up a little bit late. But "Favreau" was working out this morning.

And he had to get his pump in. And I was just hoping since neither John Ossoff nor Rafael Ornac would tell me what their work out routine is. I was hoping that since you're not running for Senate, you could do that. You could just tell us what you did this morning. Because I am, oh yeah, because I'm old now.

I stopped running. I used to run all the time. And now I just lift and I just do, you know. Not too heavy because again, I'm old. But I'm going to do like lower wave and more reps. That's what I'm doing.

More reps on what, don't you go back one day? Yeah, you do. You do all the groups. You do, you do funny body, funny your body one day. And then you do back the other day. So what was today?

Today was back. Yeah, so I did some back stuff. I did some dead lifts. My hammies. It's a cool thing.

Some dry stuff. I'm, my lady's late class. They've got me doing the dead lifts. And I'm late.

“The moms are mugging me on the dead lifts.”

My hamstrings get a little tight. I'm sorry. You can't skip like that. You can't. You can't.

It's one of the down and upsides. I'm going to tell you how you look at it. To the fact that I do it, ladies, weights class. Is that there's a lot of glute work. It's important for women.

I understand. I don't know you would know better than me. But that's like, you know, it's something they're interested in. And molding. And so I feel like my glutes have gotten kind of a disproportionate amount of attention.

Let's move on to a run. I'm done. This is my job. I've done what I'm doing. This is my job.

It's my job. I didn't want to talk about it. You smart. This is like you could run for president. It's smart.

All right. We have a deal. Go to Iranians. Yeah.

Here's what the Iranians said this morning.

You know, they put it up into their state news media. So they're version of baric revision. The deal says this. A permanent and immediate cessation of all war and all fronts, including Lebanon. Great.

U.S. Commitment to not interfere in Iran's eternal affairs. Full lifting of the Naval blockade. The U.S. and its allies will be required to present reconstruction plans for Iran worth at least $300 billion.

Suspension of sanctions on oil re-opening of straightforward news within 30 days under arrangements determined by Iran. And a 60 day negotiation period aimed at reaching a final agreement. So Trump said yesterday they had a deal done.

“And that's what the Iranians said the deal was this morning.”

He wasn't thrilled about that. Turns out he posted a belief that saying these terms are fake news. There's no relation to the truth. Iranians are very dishonorable. People to deal with they better get their act together.

And fast. That's going to work, too. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, last night felt like there was a deal.

I mean, you know, you get you take thoughts of American yesterday. We had a deal when you go state with Alex Wagner. Yeah. I was trying to think about like how we get out of the cycle and why we're in this cycle. Yeah.

And I think it's because the sort of the press around this and the perception of the deal is almost more important than the deal itself. Right. And what you realize when you're in government and you're doing diplomacy is that sometimes if you want to actually make progress, you're just going to have to eat shit like in the press.

And you're going to have to take a hit and people are going to have to criticize you.

But for Trump, he cares so much about perception and so much about sort of the narrative and the show around this.

“That every time they get close and then the Iranians spout off all this bullshit about how the deal is so great.”

He can't just sit there and eat shit for a while until the deal is signed and then go tell a story. He has to immediately go and bleed something like that. And now, what are the Iranians going to do? Well, the Iranians aren't going to sit there and be like, oh, Donald Trump, everything he said is wrong. They're going to now be like, okay, well, I'm going to try to hold out for more or maybe we're going to try to make sure that our deal points are included in there.

So like this is why we just keep going in the Iranians. >> It does feel like the path out of this would be just to let Trump say one thing. And the Mueller say a completely opposite thing and let them both lie to their people. And then like all of us who have in reality could like yell about that, but then they just kind of move forward. That does feel like his best path out.

The problem with that, the hold up on that strategy, which Trump has been able to get away with similar versions of that in the past, is that he has some people who have genuine things they want out of this around him. >> Yes. >> You know, his allies in Israel, BB in particular, and then the American supporters of Israel, the Hawks. They're not going to let him get away with the, oh, I really won the deal on this and the way that they did on stuff that was lower stakes for them.

“>> No, in, in Trump's mind what he wants is the straight opened and then he's fine lifting the naval blockade of the straight is opened.”

And then he wants to kick these negotiations over the nuclear material and everything else. Israel, Lebanon, all of it down the road because he realizes probably correctly so that once the straight is opened, everyone will stop paying attention to this and if he doesn't get a good deal on the nuclear stuff, no one's going to fucking care and he can just move on with this life. The Iranians, of course, know this, right, they're not stupid. And the Israel Lebanon situation is interesting too because yesterday when someone contacted Netanyahu's office,

they were like, the surprise Israel Israel is not part of this deal. Israel didn't know what was going on. Now the Iranians are saying Lebanon is included in the deal. So that seems like it would come as news to Israel. >> Right.

>> And so like, I don't think Netanyahu's going to let him let Trump just be able to turn away from this even if they reopen the straight. Because he's got an election coming up in the fall at some point. Netanyahu's incentive is to show how tough he is on Lebanon and Hezbollah. And so that's going to keep going. And then the Iranians, if their proxies are in a war with Israel,

you think they're just going to sit back or might they close the straight again. Might they start firing rockets into Israel again and then we're right back into it.

So the problem is like there's no, there's no deal unless all the parties are involved and everyone's a little pissed off.

And the fact that we're doing this like skinny deal. >> Right. >> Where maybe we just open the stand as the middle man. Like we're not even talking really, you know, to them. I don't, doesn't seem like Trump's even actually talking to any of the Iranians.

>> Yeah, and they want to call it like the Islamabad Accord. Of course, because like, again, just like Trump and BB there's some like Pakistan's very interesting and getting some good PR for me. >> I loved this. They did the briefing this morning that they've been doing for like the mega influencers. And then all the mega influencer than post from the acts like cyber senior administration official tells us no dollars of that dust.

And Kaylee McLean, former spokesperson posted this morning. 75% there. Presidents instinct is to give them five, six, seven more days. I'd like to have a special because Kaylee two weeks ago was on Fox talking about how they're 95% of the way they are. So we've gone, we've gone backwards now.

But it's, it's okay. It's right around the corner. I'm sure it'll be done by Sunday. I kind of political question about how the Democrats should deal with this for you. >> Mm-hm.

>> Well, it's just going off to positive the world on Sunday. And Tommy and Ben were talking about this. And you could tell they like really want to call Trump the P word. You know, and just be like, you got into this thing, but you don't want to file through on it. And now you're stuck in this deals humiliating and it sucks.

And it's embarrassing in your week.

And like, Tommy's saying that basically, but then it's like there's always a caveat in the progressive circles.

There's like, well, I don't want him to actually escalate. You know, like, I don't want to scare him to escalate. Ryan Grimm posted this this morning. Just tell him he did great in one big league and we can get out of this. Lefty kind of populist.

Grimm is on a couple months ago. I feel like Democratic senators kind of have this and they're not as explicit about as podcasters. But like you can kind of tell it's in their internal, you know, monologue, but like they don't want to mock him. And I just, I don't know.

I kind of want to give Trump the Jimmy Carter treatment.

“Like, how would Fox have treated Jimmy Carter, you know?”

Like, and I just, I feel like MS now and you guys and Democratic senators never really should just be like,

you're a fucking little bitch. Like, you, this is humiliating. Like, this is so embarrassing. Like, you started a war and you can't finish it.

What's the case against doing that besides, you know, humanitarian, political.

Maybe.

“My view on these things is you always start with what is true and what you actually believe.”

And what I genuinely believe is that, of course, I don't want, I want the hostilities to end. I want the straight to open. And so if a deal does that great, but he has fucked up so much to get us to this point and cost us so much to get to this point. And it seems like this deal is going to leave so many questions unanswered and so much possibility for future disaster and catastrophe that I don't think.

I think you can rightly criticize Trump for, like, deciding to go to war.

Everything he did leading up to this point. All the money he cost us, all the higher fuel prices he cost, everyone. The 13 Americans who died, the thousands and thousands of other people in Middle East. Like, there's plenty to criticize him on and still say, like, you're glad that the war is is over and the hostilities have ended. And I don't think that's like being soft on Trump or that we should like congratulate him.

“I don't think you should do either of those things.”

I think you just like, like, I cannot believe we just went through this fucking catastrophe that has set this country back on every possible front because of this idiot. I kind of feel like we just need to nominate one person to be the one caring the Trump's official life. You know, like, there needs to be one prominent Democrat who's going to run into it because the counter argument to myself on this is I. Yeah, I simultaneously want Democrats to give Trump the treatment that Fox sort of giving your boss a fee.

Yes, this and the Fox did when you, you know, on the red line and sir, like the red line and serious such a. 20 queen. I can't compare it to this, right? I mean, we weren't even really involved. That was just a bonus thing. If you do this, we wouldn't get involved and then we didn't. In this case, Trump like started it and then said, you need to give us unconditional surrender or else I'll end your civilization. And then he didn't do anything and then he kept like tweeting about how please give us a good deal, Mr. Gaye, I told her and it's like, okay, so I want him to be not mocked on that.

Well, technically, to that thing that the Democrats should be using this as opportunity to like regain the anti war mantle. And it's kind of hard to do that when you're trying to, you know, bully him and to, you know, be in tougher, right? So. That's that's one or the other, though, and I feel like I'm getting a little bit of wishy, you know what I mean? Yes, I want either codepink, you know, anti right like ant like this Trump's war for for oil is raising your grasp prices like I want that or I want Trump's, you know, a little early boy, right?

Like they can't follow back up what he's what he's offers. I think we have come to think that painting Trump is weak, you know, unlocks some kind of political benefit that we have been missing for so long just because their side is all about, you know, making their opponents weak and that they're strong. But I think that like I still think in a way that's playing on their field, like the vision of government. We want is not a strong man or an authoritarian who makes all the decisions and just fucking runs into wars all the time. Like we don't, we don't want that vision of government.

We want a vision of government where like people cooperate and I think what most people in the country want is they don't want to war like this. They do want America protected.

“But they don't want unnecessary wars that cost American lives and taxpayer dollars and killing a bunch of civilians all over the world. Like that's what most people in the country want that's where they are. So Democrats should be there too.”

That sounds right. What I'm just trying to do is I feel like it's my role as a former Republican to kind of inhabit the skin of what Sean Hannity would do.

So like I'm not saying that I want like misogynistic attacks on Trump and talking about how he's basically a unique, you know, like I don't know that's like I really want the Democrats to do.

Like I understand why people would bristle at that. But you know, there's just something that's a little bit unsatisfying that it's not happening. You know, when I know that it wouldn't happen, it's on the shoes on the other foot. You know, the guys, he's at the, well, he's at the bush line. He's he's going to head down to the decline. Yeah, people are thinking about him in some way that's not great. And if it's not that like he's a weak pussy. But then it is like he's an unbelievably corrupt narcissist who doesn't give it shit about anyone by himself. Like that's fine. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a good thing.

He doesn't want to care about you. He blundered his way into the stupid for war and people don't like that either, you know, and also like he tried to be strong, but like as the is his version of strength working out for anyone. I don't think it is stupidity is right. Like this is really dumb. You know, like this is the stupidest war imaginable. You don't know why he's doing it. He doesn't know why he's doing it. You're being hurt people are not. I'm bored of listening to the war about the war and around like he's, he's bored. The president who took us to war is now bored because he has no attention span because he's in 80 year old fucking, you know,

narcissist and doesn't know what he's doing. So like, and he just wants to like work on his home renovation projects like that. That is enough.

Not a lot, but I went in there. Sometimes when there's crises like that aren't necessarily natural security, like when Gabby gives her to the shot and we had to write a statement in there. We actually went into the, the sitcom for that because it was, you know, sort of a domestic attack, so I was in there for that. But when you were reading the hard time story Maggie and John Sloan story about how J.D. Vance called a situation room meeting to discuss the obscene cover up and he brought in the attorney general deputy attorney general who's not current nominated to be the successor to attorney general.

So the part of justice heads are in there. The Twitter posters are in there as well, direct response team Steven Chong, big boy and J.D. calls over to you on the table and he's like, this is kind of a problem. We should discuss what our strategy should be and he's like, maybe we should have Tucker Carlson interview going next well.

“So maybe she might exonerate us, little bit, she released some documents. I gloves your reaction to like that meeting happening, but then also it happening in the situation room.”

Yeah, well, I mean, look at who's in the administration, like you got a bunch of shit posters and idiots, so they've got all set somewhere.

They've sort of like degraded the White House, like everywhere else, so like might as well do the sit room too. My big takeaway was of course the J.D. Vance stuff was fascinating because what a window into his 2028 presidential run with the kind of communications strategic mastermind that J.D. Vance has to offer the group, which is to have Tucker interview Elaine Maxwell and then later when they were going to put Todd Blanche on Joe Rogan to talk about everything. That was going to be the big interview and then Rogan was like, I don't want fucking Todd Blanche, I want to J.D. Vance or no one and then J. Vance is like, you know, I could do Joe Rogan and the thing is, if I do it and I'm the vice president, he'll only ask me about the Epstein files for a few questions and then the rest of the time I can talk about the working class tax cuts that we passed in the progress we're making on the economy.

Sure. That's brilliant. Brilliant. I also like when the White House Council, the White House Council raised the idea of pardoning Glenn Maxwell, you know, if the piece made sure to note that everyone around the table registered their strong disapproval.

“But then Big Boy, Steven Chung, his quote was just fantastic, which is pardoning Maxwell, a trafficker of young girls would create a huge PR problem. You don't say. Wow. This is why he was picked for the job.”

Yeah, so also right goes right to that, right, like not even a shred of like moral appropriation, appropriation. Right, just before just in the nipples, these are the two things that is don't want to gloss out for number one, there's I, it's a very long article. I get no point anywhere in the article is anybody like, you know, we we really probably should take seriously the idea that we should go through the Epstein files and identify people that were involved in the child sex trafficking and that were complicit in the child sex trafficking and having investigations with them or that we should try to find justice for the victims, the girls who are raped by these powerful men like that does not come up at all in the situation of meeting.

The bargaining of Maxwell's brought up in Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan podcast interviews are brought up, but nothing at all even remotely approaching any consideration about the actual.

Nothing July and crimes. Nothing and we can talk about, you know, nipple gate and everything we're going to. Yeah, even on that, it's like we now have an allegation that the president of the state potentially had sex with an underage girl that was part of the the trafficking ring, the Jeffrey Epstein let trial trafficking ring. We don't we don't know for sure, right, all this is uncoroperated, but like is that an allegation anyone anyone who works for the president is going to take seriously, you know, we're not it.

We're just going to figure out what the fastest way to cover it up, I swear to cover it up. Yeah, and then the other thing I want to just just get to just explicitly is like how insane it is that the attorney general and deputy attorney general in this meeting. I know that I get this point where we just become accustomed to the idea that the justice department is totally corrupted, but it's great.

“I was like thinking when I was reading this story about the Bill Clinton tarmac meeting, you don't remember this, this was during the Obama administration.”

Pillories emails are being investigated. Clinton is on the same tarmac is literally at a lynch and the justice department at the time. Bill Clinton you have Bill Clinton not Hillary right gets off his plane gets on to lynch the plane that lynch is on they talk.

We never really figured out what the there are a couple minutes a couple minutes or accusations that he came on told her like, you know, go easy on Hillary or whatever.

I guess that's the worst case scenario, right, that there's some conversation about telling the Justice Department to chill out on Hillary on the email scandal, which by the way, also this entire administration has has no interest or accommodation at all in.

To that horrendous press conference and decided to characterize the investigation, which you also don't do in the Justice Department and the reason he did that is because they thought Loretta Lynch has to must recuse now, she because Bill Clinton said a high door.

Where there's a perception of corruption here like the Justice Department needs to be totally separate from any political considerations perception is bad.

The fucking attorney general deputy general in the situation room, I've been included by this vice president in the cover up plan. If if Trump was Obama and and the reddit Lynch was doing this, it wouldn't have been like go on to the plane and say, hi, or pressure and private, it would have been a oblique. There would have been a bleet that said, hey, Loretta, drop the case against Hillary because you know what happens to people who prosecute my friends. And it would have been a death threat, it would have been a thinly veiled death threat over tree social.

So a total corruption in the Justice Department. Okay, now that we've got that down. I want to read this section about the nipples.

“I think because, you know, it's an un corroborated accusation and because of the the peri nature of it.”

I don't feel like it's gotten as much attention in the news.

So I'm going to read it. So this is this is from the Virginia jiffy case trial. This is tragic story issues on the young girl that worked at Mara Lago and then and Epstein. And it prints Andrew others raped her and assaulted her. She ended up killing herself subsequently. So in that case file, there's another woman girl at the time Sarah ransom and she wrote this to a journalist. Some claimed that she knew a girl and Epstein sex trafficking ring named Jen, who said she had sex with Trump. Ransom also claimed that Jen had told her that Trump had a predilection for nipples and that he had aggressively flipped and sucked her as ransom wrote that she had seen evidence.

When she shared a bathroom with Jen, they looked incredibly painful. They were red and swollen and I remember whinsing when I looked at them.

So that was discussed in the situation where Trump's alleged nipple attack on a young girl that was in Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking ring.

Yes. I mean, I do feel like there would have been some coverage for that and like a little more, you know, maybe would have been higher in this story. You think that's a serious allegation, right?

“Yeah, partly because this was not like Trump in his bachelor days with like a consensual sex if that's like something he was into like who cares, right?”

Like that's that's his business. And it's really his business because like I'd rather not know. No, like what his kind of nipple interests are. If they're in the Epstein files and knowing what happened to Jen, you fray and this other rogent like that, then it's if they're underage here and this is part of a trafficking thing and like that is an incredibly serious allegation and the team in the set room.

They immediately say, oh, it's wrong, right? Like, oh, she made it up because I guess this one Jen rescinded her to some other allegations because she said she was afraid for her life. And so these, oh, she's not reliable because she recanted some other allegation. So no worries. Let's move on to how we keep this out of the files that we put on the website, which goes back to then the incompetence because by keeping it out of the files that they put on the website.

Obviously, people were going to realize that there were some files that included Trump that were missing from the website. So once again, you have the malevolence and then you have followed by the incompetence and that's that's the Trump administration and that's not true. We're going to start to stop talking about Trump making nipples get swollen. And I don't know that we need any more.

“Unless you do want to do any more on Trump's nipple protection, you know, our friend Tommy brought up when we talked about this this week that he's like, you know, remember the stormy Daniel stories.”

We're like the the spankings and everything like there's it's it's clearly there's a there's a pattern here if you're just trying to figure out whether it believe it or not. There's a pattern of these allegations about Trump sort of. I only remember the mushroom deck description from the stormy Daniel stuff. I don't remember all the shark we got. I could forget.

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Speaking of trying to do a transition into John Coran. Do you have any area allah area allah or nipple themed puns that we can use to get over to John Coran and three of somebody who's got spanked by trump there we go.

“John Coran did an exit interview with Carl Hulse the New York Times want to read a couple of the quotes.”

Patrick's defeat. He says it does give some of us a little more freedom and certainly leverage. He didn't have freedom before I thought he doesn't have any agency before. As the president I like this too. As the president told president Zelensky when he is in the office a year ago he said you don't have any cards well we've got some cards to play. So I guess he's impressed with trump's cards analogy there. Mr. Coran says he reserves the right to choose where I'm going to or going to not defer to Mr. Trump.

He still reserves that right that's nice as a free man in a free country.

He says things are never going to be good enough for trump other than 100% you know slavish adherence to whatever he wants.

But obviously that's not what the senator's role is supposed to be. Unfortunately that is the position that I found myself in for the last several years and what did I do about it nothing really. I've always said that former senators look happier healthier and there's certainly more prosperous some kind of looking forward to what comes next. So just in case you feel sad for big bad john who got out utterly humiliated in the most like embarrassing SNM way fashion like he wanted to rename a highway after trump pretend like he was reading his book he had to rub trump's little tiny toe digits.

And he like did everything he could to get trump to love him let's trump said I don't care about you anyway and left him on the side of the road and now here he is he's like you know. Good news is I'll get to make money as a lobbyist after this and so you better know I'm not going to be too hard on Mr. Trump now I mean I might not defer to him totally like I was before but you know I'm going to defer mostly because they do want my calls returned. This is this is probably off topic of what you're asking about here but when I see things like that it's like this is why I don't invest a ton of time in like

despising people like john corn and and thinking that like at some point they are going to retire in some kind of a mis in misery and be all torn up about this and you know like we're rooting against these people because like Donald Trump is like you know what probably Donald Trump is going to at some point leave office and no matter how he is remembered and no matter how much of the country turns against him he is going to be like well I'm rich.

“I think I did great and he's probably going to die happy.”

And it's like so that so that just doing this so that we hope that these people are going to feel bad Sunday is just like not a good motivation like john like john corn and how's he can this is. I'm going to try and I worked on this a lot of yoga love and no kind when I when I was there in 2017 to 2019 I just kind of accepting that internally right that like they're going to. I'm going to be fine. Yeah, but at the end of the day they're kind of happy about the choice that they've made. Yeah, they're happy about the choice they made.

You have people at the choice that we've made. You know that's exactly right and so we just got it we just got to beat them because we can't count on john corn and to ever do anything like I read that interview and I was just like yeah what I'm not surprised by anything I'm not surprised by any of this. It is funny they all call us cucks though. It's like you Carl Hall's might as well have been in a motel six interviewing john corn and while he was sitting in a cock chair while his wife was getting fucked by Donald Trump or can't back stuff like honestly I won't have been any different about this interview with that.

That was a better scene setting I guess. The thing that they don't want to say but is true and I mean this is JVL would certainly go here, which is that like their voters prevented them from having a spine and standing up to Donald Trump like that's what corn and saying right now he's a free man now because he doesn't have to face his voters who he clearly a little more freedom because he doesn't have to face his voters who he clearly who clearly believes are

And for a while, corn and thought and then some of them that they can do both right and in corn and probably thought he could do both for a while and then now he realized he can't do both and so he's just going to go make money reserves the right to choose just what just he's just discussing.

Is that right. How you said it's lavish that's lavish.

I don't know I I pronounce anything wrong. One of the worst parts about being a podcast or is it you find out how many words you don't know how to pronounce you know on a ton of them. I guess I was saying skirt drunk I've been told us things. That's a tough one see I see several messages about that one this week every week I get messages about different words that pronounce wrong. So I have this one on I had there's a single hill where I'll die on a defensive canvas, which is there's the funny acts account that I makes fun of her for all the words that she missed pronounces.

“And I'm just like you know that's how she means she read like she learned the word at some ways it's better than anyway that's my only defense camp the funny the funniest one I have heard recently is my new podcast.”

Friends Sarah who calls Rob Flaherty Flaherty Flaherty Flaherty I'm like it's a player never really flared. She's not a fucking Mick like you from Boston you know. Yeah, that's true. Flaherty is was probably like the like 10 bars that we went to so it is a very common name in Boston.

Well, that's doing a little politics talk I have an article out today a newsletter I said in for JBL and I did a big prologue about how I think donating to campaigns is mostly stupid.

I think having been on the inside of campaigns like a huge percentage of the money is wasted like the most of the like testing and metrics tools people used to determine whether things are effective messaging are is like basically like looking at chicken bones and like bringing in a shaman to tell you like what is better. I was like shocked when I sat through the first ad test the first time and I was like this is how we decide it's like it's funny random people are like playing video games and then watching an ad and they need to vote on it before they get to continue their video game and I'm like nobody knows themselves.

So if you're ever going to a philosophy class like it's hard it's like it's a huge journey to actually know yourself to be able to say I watched this ad and it motivated I the whole thing is crazy and there's no incentive to save money if you're on a campaign you got to spend it all.

“I don't know how to drifters out there so usually people ask me what to donate to them like donate to a food bank or like go treat yourself to a spot day but I understand that's not satisfying right especially for people who are who want to.”

I do use their resources for good and help democracy so after this long wind up of of how donate to campaigns is stupid I wrote about like where I think you can make some difference on the margins and I was really pushing towards you kind of these stretch house races in red parts of the country where you know Democrats have not done well and lately but like might be able to do well now because of the because of the wave. I mean the Hispanic ones start about Bobby Polito down on the Rio Grande you know that that was that we're hoping one by 17 points last time in the poll I'm saying yeah so that's tied you know some of the Senate races that aren't going to have as much money in them.

I just turned on this week you know some of the more stretch races you never know how you could expand the map maybe in some of these Senate races so anyway people can read the article and just wondering where you are on that concept there's any candidates campaigns that are catching your eye.

How you think about where it's worth people's time to involve get them involved.

“Your diagnosis of the problem is one that I share have come to share especially after the last couple cycles which is I think you know the majority of these budgets go to ads.”

I think that in the democratic party like especially we could use way more creative ads ad makers types of ads the way we place them the way we deliver them to people like I just think we need a lot of innovation there and so I think we're spending it up just wasting a ton of money. And it drives me crazy on the question of where to donate I remember in 2018 with votes of America what we tried to do is the closer we got to election day we work with one of these democratic dad groups who we knew from the Obama days and we had like a list of 10 candidates that we updated every week house candidates who were like like the formula for how we picked the candidates was how much money did they have on hand.

How much money did their opponent have on hand what's the polling look like what's the hardest in lean and basically like what's the most bang for your buck right like if you're going to do it's like money ball for politics like that's sort of what we need.

And I think that's a good person but yeah, a lot of money was wasted in that race just as what it is. Right. I think it's a bit of a run to sanctimonious and top style is my example send the article you know it's trying to make it a little bit but it's good one. Okay, well people just like I would do so I would do I would do these house races that are you know like the R sevens to R nines to R tens exactly the list that I put together. And then in the Senate like I would again in the Senate I would look at not just what they have how much the the Senate candidates raise but like what kind of cash they're opponents have you know and I think like I mean it's funny you say the say like we're holding a fundraiser at our home tonight for shared brown.

“Because because you know my wife Emily worked for share that's how we met when she was so she was definitely.”

Right, but share it's super backs, especially like crypto super packs which did this to him last time are going to dump just an insane amount of money into Ohio and so some of the donating is just to like it's just for defense right because even if you can say that like our ads can be bad.

Like if their ads are running and ours aren't and we can't match that like that is going to have an effect on your low engagement voters.

This is why I didn't include shared brown and list because the richy riches of West Hollywood are handling that okay like they're got you guys got that covered all right. So you know let me know what kind of bold face names are going to have you want to leak leaked the party list to not many not many political.

“By book you know want to give your names in there with the people that showed up all right people go check out that up with the link in the show notes.”

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And there's a pull out that I created a lot of follow-up Dan Fyfer wrote about the poll and and message box gali at Morris wrote about the poll data analytics but I've been nuts of it was this is like democratic voters are a little schizophrenic on what they want like they want the party to move to the middle. But they also want social so I don't know if they want social and if they like social so you know and so gali at Morris was trying to like I understand that and there's kind of Jim jokes about it on social media but I don't like think that's that confusing to me.

And for me if I was going to do a Frankenstein candidate for twenty twenty eight and just build one out of a lab.

I would have you be the speech writer for it so you so we move you off the field of my podcast competitor back into the campaign space so so just prepare yourself for this. And I would have them basically it would unfortunately probably be a guy I think a woman could be a great president but just for the purposes of having to deal with the realities of living in American society maybe Hispanic or black guy and I would have them. I would have to be able to do long form interviews such as this be able to communicate.

I would have them talk as much like a normal person as possible I would have to move to the middle a little bit not you know we want to build the wall even higher. But just move to a little bit a little bit a little bit on immigration and crime and talk about how you know criminals should be punished. The following sent a law and it's or sent home or combination of both right and and actually talk about it not just like have that is one line on there. Website like have that have that be where they strategically make a decision that I am going to.

Show people that I'm moving to the middle and whatever your perception was with a democratic party fair unfair on immigration and crime also I'm going to issue some of the silly.

I had a siren go off on my phone it was an updated version of what's the lost child's law.

Amber alert yeah it's an updated version of the amber alert called Brian's alert and it's it's for autistic kids I'm concerned about autistic kids. But but there's not just good that was lost and the phone blared every phone in New Orleans blared at six 12 a.m.

And the kid was not even lost turned out they found it like when that happened like his brother said it wait now he is at my house and that's seven 10 you know it's kind of like.

“Sometimes like there's just like we're going a little bit overboard on you know the social justice and cultural care I think we can care about autistic kids.”

And not have people's phones Blair at six 12 with the morning could have been a text you know so I do just very things like this like just kind of some common sense moving to the middle on cultural stuff. And then simultaneously my frank and stank candidate is going to do like extremely creative painful punitive rich people taxes like like I don't know you know I don't know what a private jet cost to rent that's not my I don't have that kind of money let's say a cost 20 grant okay. You're going to take a private jet flight the cost 20 grand we have a new private jet tax it's 300% so it's 60 grand of taxes so now it's an 80 grand flight so if you're a billionaire and you want to fight there like we're going to take a 300% tax on all private air travel and so if you otherwise you know you can take commercial air you can be on Delta with me.

And it's just like creative things such as that punitive socialist left wing taxation and as we mentioned earlier maybe chilling out a little bit on worse I felt that's my frank and stank candidate.

“And so I'm asking how you react to that how you'd message that person and why you don't think that person exists I think that's a pretty good candidate.”

I think that you're interesting you said Frankenstein candidate I think the challenge is we can't and I know you know this but we can't Frankenstein a candidate because the first thing that has to happen is you have to think to yourself why am I running for president and what do I want to do for the country. The other side of the really creative rich people taxes is like what are we going to do with the money and I think where you get sort of the economic populist sentiment among the the electorate it's not just in the like let's punish the rich people it's let's make sure that if we are working.

Then we like we can see a doctor and like we're going to be able to live somewhere and afford rent in a mortgage just like basic shit and if people can't do that in the government can't deliver on that. Then they're not going to trust the government and then we're going to get more trumps. And like someone's going to tell the whole story and someone's also be honest in a way to which is tricky because Trump has done so much damage that okay a lot of the money that we get from the rich people is going to at some point we are going to have to deal with the debt and I'm not just not just doing fan service here on the board.

And like think and you know there's that clip of you and you and I are on John Stewart where you talking about how we meet in the middle I still see that and they they fuck you John Stewart's people fuck you like I clip to that and put on my Instagram. I don't mind it's still getting sent to me to people like I told you John Fabra was a corporate chill he's he says on John Stewart show he's even to the right of Jeff Bush flunky Tim Miller I got to get that in my social media like one of the week now this faces me anymore.

“That's great. But yeah, no, like so I think that I think what we are lacking is our candidate who. Who know first what they want to do and why they're running and what they believe and then second go figure out how to sell that to people.”

Which is still important I'm not going to be like all fucking west wing about it and you just go out there and say what you believe you still need to figure out how to sell it but people are just everyone is so scared and so cautious probably because they're listening to us too much reading too many polls. We're going to do many focus groups that like they think that they have to sort of walk on egg shells to run and I think that ironically becomes the biggest weakness of most of the candidates is the caution because they have you know they've had all these ad people who are like we focus group this ad and this and that and so like you get this Frankenstein monster of a campaign and it doesn't work for people right like again.

No one would have said you're right. I'm just going to say that the state senator black guy Barack Hussein Obama from Chicago who live for a time in Indonesia was what the Democratic like on paper that was fucking crazy crazy for the Democratic party to know that a Barack Obama after we just lost with John Kerry more hero.

You know this is why you won presidential campaigns and I didn't because you're right about this you do need to have like honest like it has to be believable right and like this is like what I just offered. Cheek of Kamlos campaign right like that my stupid private plain tax is like not any different than you know they felt like they were doing this I'm going to reach a different part of the electorate by we're going to have this proposal that's going to help. What was that the sandwich generation or if you have you know you're taking care of parents and your kids so you get a certain tax break I don't remember what the exact proposal was with some gimmick proposal for that group.

And that's legit thing I get legit that like they're I'm starting to have friends in this boat you know taking care of kids and parents and that sucks and it's hard and but like the rationale people need to buy.

Right it did like there needs to be a broad story that they need to buy and that is kind of more important than the gimmicks I do like my private playing gimmicks.

I was going to say because it's not like we weren't above gimmicks on the Obama campaign and in terms of the moderation you talked about like. If you listen to Barack Obama talk about immigration it's like exactly the way that you just talked about immigration and and that was just his view on it it wasn't like where he but he also knew what the politics were in immigration. But he could talk about his beliefs about why it was a more complex nuanced issue than many people perceive it to be or at least at the media talks about it and pundits talk about it.

He understood that and so he just sort of talked about why he believed what he believed and trusted people and trusted the people were going to be okay with that now it's harder now because of the information environments way harder. Because all the incentives are to get attention and everything you do to get attention is by definition more black and white cutting dry than it should be in the context of politics and governing country of 300 plus million people.

And so all the incentives are pointing in the wrong direction for these candidates is the problem.

“And so that is the answer to the question I guess that's what I don't.”

Like the Democrats I've done I think sometimes get a bad rap on recruiting the cycle I never heard some good people Mary Paltola is good candidate because I've turned on he seems like a good candidate for like super seems like a good candidate like. There just is the caution across the board right I don't I don't see anybody doing what I just said or what Obama did even on some cultural issues like I it's hard to find a democratic candidate as statewide level in the swing see.

So has a policy platform on cultural issues that's meaningfully different from Clinton Biden Harris.

I think because I think even if they do it's because whatever that platform is as soon as people hear a sound bite of it it's like touching the hot stove. And then suddenly everyone descends on you and says or you're like the worst person and you you hate marginalized groups and you know and even if Milton on the transports thing and even if even if you are more nuanced about it even if you're actual belief and record show that you very much stand up for trans you know just to use that example trans rights or immigrant rights or whatever it may be it doesn't matter and so everyone's like what is the.

“What is the benefit of saying what I really believe on this if it's just going to be taken out of context and use to screw me even in my own party.”

It's not it's somebody would try they're going to be 2028 and it would be nice to have somebody try some different stuff hopefully and I will say like on the other side of it because I've seen. And and I promise great but I see Ron do this you also can't look like you are you're purposely poking the left because you're like look I'm not like these crazy lefties and so I'm going to say that like rhymes line about people talked about bathrooms not and too much and not enough both classrooms like no like no we didn't.

But they talked about bathrooms we were put on the defensive we didn't have anything to say and so that was that of course we will of course democrats want to talk about classrooms in education and and all the good democratic issues but like. So so there's a way to go. The Trump issue right like this is why Trump was able to do this and it's like and and maybe this is just I kids sociopathie makes it possible in a way that it isn't for other people but it's like Trump was so hard on and ongoing after the left.

On various things unfairly a lot in lying about a lot like use any and he's so extreme on immigration and race issues mostly but on some other stuff like she could make fun of Paul Ryan stupid social security Medicare cuts and and people at yell out of my mind is like who cares right like and then all this people end up getting in line and it's like.

“And that is the path to doing and that is the failure of the wrong model I agree that's why that isn't going to work and this is I think why Zora and I'm talking to this couple times recently we're so run.”

You know if you have the credibility of hey I'm going to fight for you and economic issues and I am against the stupid foreign wars.

The key is how you respond to the first wave of criticism and whether you back off or you just say like no this is what I believe right like I like I take a ball of eyes for example you know.

I mean I mean you and I on our respect to pods have been talking about how horrific ice has been now for a year and it like makes me sick and I like lose sleep over it. It's the same time like a ball of ice doesn't make sense to me not just because I read a poll and say that it's like we're not enough people support it but it doesn't make sense because it's like we need immigration enforcement in this country. I didn't I never said that we didn't need that. I just said that we didn't need like masked unaccountable men in the street beating the shadow people and murdering protesters and throwing people in detention centers with subhuman conditions like.

We we still have to have an enforcement system in this country and if like you're upset that I didn't go all the way to abolish ice then like that's fine but I just believe we need immigration enforcement and I just need we need to like rip up the system we have. It starts from scratch but like we still need it. I take a look at Ronaldo and I'm the founder of Yaui. A few years ago he used to be on Kunstwerke and Hank Gefertig the object is specialized. My role in shopping, because shopping in comparison to the other platforms that I tested with Ambenutzer.

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So I'm going to get off the 2021 stuff for a second. I guess these two things are related.

I just have this sense right now and maybe I need to get offline and go on a vacation and reset. This might be more about me, but I don't think so. I have a sense that there is a diminishing anger in left spaces about Trump and an increasing anger about each other.

“And I think that there is a lot. I see in here from a lot of people passionately on the left side of the Democratic Party.”

The thing that they're really mad about right now is the corporate Democrats that went along with whatever the Biden's Israel policy. Which is a legit thing to be mad about. And that's legit. You can be mad about that. It's fine. But somehow we've become a frog boiling in water a little bit. And there was a moment I think right around Minneapolis where everybody did have a lot of righteous rage. And I just kind of sense it dissipating and I think that it's dangerous.

I don't know how to combat it. I try to combat it with myself. But I mean, what do you think? I feel it, too. I mean, there's days that we do the pod where we talk about like just a parade of horrible. That like I genuinely, you know, off Mike makes me sick to my stomach.

“But like you have to survive and you have to get through your day without being miserable all the time.”

And so then you use gallows humor to laugh at Trump and then you do like the whole thing like don't normalize them. Like no, it's normal. It is normal. We're here. We're living through it. And I don't know that it has a like a positive effect or a big enough impact to be at an 11 all day long. I think the reason you see people start punching each other is because like we all want to believe that we have agency. We all want to do something about the situation that we're in.

The truth is we can't for a while.

At least not the solution that we want, which is no more Donald Trump and a Republican party that isn't like this. We want to just live in a better political system. That's going to take a long time even under the best case scenario. And so, but like the human, the human brain isn't made for just sitting back and being like all right. We're going to relax and wait till then like we want to be able to do something now.

And the thing that you can do now is to argue with people on your side about how to beat how to get rid of it. Yeah, how to fix that. And I think some of that comes with a genuine place. I think it's just like people channel their anger at Trump at something that feels more. Something that they feel like they can control more. I do talk about your agency right where it's like I'm fucking mad about all the things that are happening in this country. And if you're I'm just caring, but like if you're a left person you're like, you know who's false it is.

The wimpiest establishment like Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, they want us to continue down the same failed path and I'm so mad at them and we they why don't they get it like maybe they're even on the other side kind of maybe they don't even think it's as bad as I do right like you can imagine somebody like getting yourself riled up and thinking that like that's not irrational.

You're like a piece of paper is ruining the whole party and the whole life is a real time. Kamala, which is true by the way, right Jill, stop people suddenly see a voter for Jill Stein.

Yeah, like they didn't even try hard the last election. I was out there in the streets. I was volunteering. I was working hard and they were shooting on us. And so is there fucking fault that we're in this place. And now they want to control the party fuck them. And I understand that feeling like from a furious centrist or middle regular Democrat looking at come more populous Bernie Hassan tight. I almost feel like. You know, it's part of a therapy process, which is like acknowledging this that that is happening in your brain.

Is it unclarking? Yeah, to start to have productive change going forward, right? Like this is an anger thing that I have and my heart that I have some truths to it. But like what am I really angry about? Like what is under not lying at?

“And like what I think everybody is really angry about maybe not every single person, but mostly everybody is really angry about is what Trump is doing to the country, right?”

Yeah. And we should try to figure out like. I think the key to that. The key is an isolated term.

This is a place that I need to take and try to tell myself all the time and I don't always follow it.

But like you need to offer everyone the presumption of good faith. Which is that the reason they are angry could be the reason that you're angry and you're just manifesting it in different ways. And maybe a lot of us want the same things and not everyone's perfect. And so and we're all struggling and we're all under a tremendous amount of stress because of what this man has done to the country for the last 10 years. And a lot of that is very real.

And so a lot of people are acting out in ways that we all act out, right? Part of it is recognizing that like you do this too, right? Like I'm not perfect the way I do this. I'm failing at this all the time. And so and I want someone to extend that presumption of good faith to me when I'm having a bad day or treat something awful. So I want to extend that to someone else. And I realize like this is very out of fashion now.

Because when they go lower, not supposed to go high anymore. But I do think that like that is that is both in line with our vision of what American democracy should be and good for our mental health.

“That's why I like this and you John Faberra is like that's right and you're putting words to something I feel. I do have to quibble with one point point.”

We have to offer the presumption of good faith. It's not indefinitely up until a point where they have demonstrated that they don't earn it any longer. When they slap it away the like the 10th time then you can you're good. Maybe you are about and just give one prime example that just for fun it's Friday. So just for fun. Why do we lessen the Kelly and gone away.

And the rest of the Democrats and they said, is there anything else? Ladies and gentlemen, what else do you need? Is there a magic number in the scandal offer that would make you stop? Would it have to do with Nazis or putting upon women perhaps? Under each women would definitely women not your wife if two years would it be the trend lying about that you're insulting heroes that you're not. He's not even fit to lick their combat boots.

So I'd ask the Democrats is power really worth that to you because power for power state is the definition of corruption. I didn't like kupkudos for scandal offer that's good but besides that how does she I think she really doesn't realize it or does she it's a troll. I think she does because there's another clip that I was wondering if you were going to play because I saw that one. The other one she said, look, I'm a Christian.

I believe in second chances.

But I think that Graham Platner should like go home with his family and get right with them and seek forgiveness there first. Because the Senate when you're just one of a hundred people representing this country that is not the place for this kind of redemption. And I thought it was an interesting tell because she does get that I think most Americans do want to give people second chances and they because they want to be given second chances themselves. And she does think that like this is her and she realizes that people are given Donald Trump quite a few chances.

The second part of the argument is so off because it's like, but the Senate's not the place for that. Oh, yeah, a bunch of fucking moral heroes. What about the White House? Is the White House the place for attention? It's like, no, and you got it. You actually got a pick one. You either got to say that no, the Senate, the House, the White House, those must be places for absolutely perfectly moral upstanding citizens. Or you can say that no, everyone is broken in some ways. And we just have to decide who is better and who's going to help us and who's going to abide by the laws that we've written and who's going to fight for people the most.

“And that's how we're going to like people. But you can't have both. You can't have both.”

I just love the balls on her that it's like, you know, did not see thing okay. The cheating on the wives.

But then I just like the icing on the cake is the insulting our heroes and he's not even worth. She's not even worthy to lick their combat boots.

Like Trump insults in the heroes. Like Trump. Trump insults our heroes not in a post 30 years ago. Trump does it like all like he was doing it. Like you want to believe a four multiple four star generals who worked for him told stories about this. We're talking about Donald Trump denigrating people in the military while he was president.

“Fucking Kelly and I have a deep question for you on this. Sure. Should we care about people cheating on their wives at all if they want to run for the Senate?”

What is the extent to which we should care? I'm kind of serious about this because we'll do throw this at me.

I know you, but being a particular number of Trumpers over Trump. And I was always like on the list of things I cared about Trump about it was always at the bottom.

I don't I make fun of him for it because like why not? I'm I'm consistent on this because the the just happened to be the week before all the platinum stuff was packed and winning. And I said on multiple pods because I believe this that like the whole attack on Ken Paxon is an adulterer. I mean I talked about it from a political angle. I'm like I think it's the weakest attack on Paxon. And I actually don't want people to hit it too much because I don't think that most people are going to be like oh well he cheated on his wife and therefore he's disqualified.

Like like I don't I don't think cheating is a good thing. I saw Jerusalem doesn't just read about this in the argument and like you know most Americans like it really bothers people when someone she's like yeah it cheating bothers me like in fidelity bothers me but in terms of And the fact that someone in every situation is different which we again like no one can no one can keep in their heads the different situations are different right but if like there is a you had some kind of an infidelity and then you worked it out with your partner and you've gone through therapy and and that's it then like okay that the I don't know it doesn't

But of all the of all the grand platter things that maybe is it like the bottom of the list for me. I don't know what to do with being a senator that would be lying the dishonesty maybe this is me. And this is what I've said about planner the thing that I think he has to work on and the thing that bugs me the most is like because honesty and the ability to trust someone like that does relate to your job as a public servant right and it is look at us it is clear now that like I don't believe he knew

What the Nazi what the tattoo was when he got it and the people who we got it with his other the other it's not really new before October right yes exactly and it and it like And clearly he's not being honest about that and that sucks like I think that sucks but like I have a counterpoint for you for this from a person I don't this is a private message showing out them

“But it's somebody that I think that we both respect listeners respect we're talking about this topic context and they said this isn't a certain amount of tactical lying important in politics”

I know I know I know I know and so the clipping of this is we terrible and social so I'm going to try to protect you I'm going to have it or never a lot of rambling here of me talking before we get to you talking but Isn't that something worth grappling with I don't know like doesn't I don't isn't like did Barack Obama really oppose game error in 2008 right he did not he did not And so could he have won well still opposed the law still supporting game error. Yeah, maybe I think kind of actually maybe still before and so maybe this was a lie that served him purpose, but I don't know I mean I would react to that I went through I've gone through this in my head a few times

And it's like so Graham Platner when first presented with the fact that you know that it was there's going to be public that the but the tattoo One answer was like I got this tattoo with Marines and it was a skull and cross bones and we thought it looked tough and then at some point along the way I realized it was a had this Nazi association

But at that point like I was I never thought I was ever going to run for office and my shirt was off in front of all kinds of people in the army

Stand me for bad tattoos before I went off to Afghanistan after I had come home from Iraq and no one has said anything about it so therefore I wasn't going to go get a tattoo covered up They'd only that only I though that I only read about online was this association, but now that I'm running for office and you're all talking about it fine I'll cover it up no big deal now with that have solved his problem politically no

“Like clearly because of everything like everyone's so would have been like well you should have covered up in the fact you didn't in the emitters but like he would have still got ship but like then he would have been”

I'm wondering from primary so when the primary would have been coming out from a more honest position but I but I do put it in the category of more of it is it is sort of tactical like he lied for the purpose of not having a bigger political

I've not heard anything in any way that would say that he's misogynistic anti-Semitic or racist I've heard that he thinks we should all have free health care

“Yeah, that he wants to radically change her politics and that take from hunter by it feels like that's what's resonating”

And of course that is the take from hunter Biden who has gone through this himself in my position on this is I think like I have a personal everyone's talking about like moral values and Don't have Democrats given up moral values and I don't love to play what about is among this all the time like it is fun to do and it's hard to avoid because of how they are But I also want to come from position of like what what do I believe and like what are my values and can they be consistent across both parties and

people who seek forgiveness I believe Should be offered grace like that is a that is a foundational value for me and I and again that is not like that is not infinite

You could you could extend someone grace and then they could continue to lie and cheat or do whatever and go back to them

And then you know that that's a situation that you have to deal with but like when someone says I was wrong I made mistakes I lived a tough life I fucked up and now I'm trying to change and become better like I want to be open to that I want to give that person grace to change and that is true and so if there are a bunch of Republican politicians out there If Ken Paxon wants to make a big speech and say like I am I am so sorry that I've done all these things and I've committed adultery if Donald Trump wants to get up there and be like

I'm sorry for my past sins if all like if they want to do that then I'll listen But like I don't see any of that

No, they're running on the sins

We're way over and I promise you we could do Spencer predtox so before that I sort of give you the floor for a brief John Favro stirring commentary on America to 50 the star-spangled jumbo claw that we have in front of the White House I know that you were invited to go to that event And obviously had had that invite rescinded And then you're going to go to the Obama library the next day and so you'll kind of had some time to ruminate about what it means Yeah, there's almost like it's like too much symbolism

It's like it's a little everything is a little too on the nose the fact that we have a like a 700 foot octagon on the south line of the White House A right next to the rubble of the East Wing It's a little too little too Roman Coliseum Yeah, maybeocracy It's a little too Hector Matt Ducamacho

Yeah, and look I don't want like I don't have a problem with like I'm not a UFC person But I don't have a problem with like the White House holding a sporting event like that Or even the fact that they're holding a fight like that like what I what I have an issue with is the Donald Trump is clearly Decided to combine his birthday with America's birthday

“And what does he have to say about America's 250th birthday?”

He doesn't have anything to say about it because all he can think about is himself And so what the country has to celebrate for America to 50 is just Donald Trump It's Donald Trump and a completely airbrushed version of history where every step in every moment In America's history has led us to this final moment with Donald Trump prevailing Which is all he thinks about because he's at the end of his life and is going to die soon anyway

And so he's like my term and especially this birthday should be a celebration of me and everything I've done for America And how I'm maybe the greatest American who's ever been and like that is my problem with Trump at America 250 more than any of the details of the celebrations or who's in or who's out Like there is a version of this where someone who I a president who I very much disagree with politically and policy wise Still gets me to feel a little patriotic because for America's 250 they decide to say like we're going to make this nonpartisan

We're going to make this about sort of the values that bring us together George W Bush would have done that right. I mean literally every president before this one everybody Every single president would have done that and that is what really bugs me about the the America 250 thing

“My worst take related to all this will be sure to make everyone happy is I think that the UFC claw on the south line is cool”

It looks fucking cool. It looks cool. I mean I think it's good to turn the south line, but it looks cool Yeah, the Democrats should do cool show like that. It's fine and the corruption I don't like I like, you know, the company they're making money, all this like it should be And but just the look the aesthetic it's cool to do cool stuff. I think the Obama library looks cool you don't want to hate say about I mean outside I think it's cool it's different. It's interesting It's weird how the speech goes around so you can't really read it. I guess that would be my one architectural note that other than that. I think that it looks cool

Yeah, as people know, I also like the old office with stuff on it. Yeah, like I'm not a not a modern architecture guy

You want to like a brick building with you know the flag for you know, yeah, I'm much more repulsive

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Her name is Megan McCain, that's awesome

He was handling second place last week and now a bunch of mail-in ballots come in and he's pushing way low to third

He just don't understand why Spencer Prep was such a white he was so offensive to the Obama brothers He's so offensive when your candidate that your famous for had no background at all before he became president They have all people should know that magic can happen in politics Sometimes people just come from nowhere Magic can happen John, why are you offended?

You know what I was offended by Spencer Prep because I thought about why he was making me so angry Is that like he gave this interview to us weekly where you know he said that this is my destiny to be mayor And they asked him like you know they said what are the questions is I wrote this down because I really bugged me

“You were a political science major in college. Do you have any other qualifications?”

My number one qualification is I'm not corrupt. My biggest skill is being an actual outsider That's it that's it. He doesn't end and that was the whole campaign. He didn't none of the things he proposed Or very few of the things he proposed were doable even within the confines of the law like I'm gonna force people into treatment I'm gonna like can't really do that. I'm going to like build a build a camp on the outskirts of L.A We're gonna move all the homeless people. I'm gonna ship them to Seattle all this kind of stuff like doesn't have the power

Forget about it being cruel and obscene doesn't have the power to do any of that. The mayor doesn't have the power to that So he went around and what he did was he realized that a lot of people in L.A. were angry at mayor bass and angry because of the fires and angry because of the homeless situation And what can I do with that anger? I can capitalize on it and run a campaign and scream about the people in charge how they're corrupt And that's all I have to do. I don't have to think about that at all. I'm staying at the Bellaire hotel

For $1,500 a night even though my whole campaign was predicated on the fact that my house burned down the palisades and I'm living in a trailer Also, I have a reality TV crew that I've signed on to so that when I if I'm mayor that me and Heidi can have a team we can get back to basics and that TV crew can can follow us around And so it's like no I don't the like I of course like we said I wanted to give Spencer Pratt the presumption of good faith but he doesn't seem like he has grown it all learned anything has an idea about why he wanted to run

All he wanted to do is say like I'm an outsider I'm pissed and so I'm going to get more famous because of that. That's it.

“And you know what that's why he got the vote he did.”

Some of the worst takes I don't know if you have any that you want to nominate but I just pulled some. And you know this is friendly fire here. All right, so nobody shake this personally I've had some bad takes before not on Spencer Pratt. I have him every day is obviously had no chance to win the L. I mayors raised and people have their brains totally broken by the internet, but I've had bad takes and other things. Here's the worst takes on Pratt. Jeb Bush my friend. Jeb Bush on one of Pratt's A.I. ads maybe the best political out of the year.

I think it was maybe a bad sign that his plans were appealing to elderly Republicans in Florida. There's a post to Los Angeles voters. One that one note Christopher Rufo Spencer Pratt has said more airtime than any right-coded mayoral candidate and recent memory. He's charismatic in this video video marketing has been on par with the left.

Karen's going to have to fight for her political survival. True. Not at the hands of Spencer Pratt.

“Rick Renell. It's Pratt summer. Nope. It was Pratt spring. Red steas. Congrats to 2028 presidential nominees. Spencer Pratt.”

Guess not. Bethany Mandel. Sorry, if we will don't know these internet characters. This is just setting to everyone. Spencer Pratt was doing this well because he was calling out a crooked and flawed system. If this is how they think they're going to stop him buckle up. They're going to unleash something much bigger. Kaitlyn Flanagan at the free press. Pratt daddy's revenge.

Pucks Peter Amby. Spencer Pratt was authentically passionate, but it's also clearly did a lot of prep before the debate.

And he's open to taking advice growing as a candidate. Not just doing the volume 11 social media thing on stage for all the Trump comparisons. Fred is more likely to invoke San Francisco's popular Democratic Mayor Daniel Lurrie who has run central plot at centrist plot. It's for cracking down on homelessness. Oh, no, Peter. Yeah, a lot of we love Peter. He had a great article on America 250. We should read a show that's just misses all over the place on Pratt. Do you have any others or is anyone particularly tickle you? Yeah, well, so no, I would just say that I put like the maga people aside because

You know, for them to be excited about Spencer Pratt and to get and especially the online maga people and for them to like convince themselves that he was somehow going to either win out right, which some of them bought or at least. You know, beat Nithia by like double digits. I accidentally surprised me because that's sort of how they live their lives in the in the Trump era online, but I do think like there is. Donald Trump is sort of broken all of our brains and there's this tendency to look at like fame seeking populace on the right who call out things that are pissing people off.

“And do it in a real like authentic viral way is like that's a genius and my problem is I just don't think it's that impressive like I think you were I.”

I ran a New Orleans mayor campaign based on that alarm that went off at my phone at 612 and talked about how annoying that was. I'd be something people had agreed with, but it probably would not propel me to the mayor ship. Right, but I think that you I think that you and I could figure out how to run a campaign where we attacked leadership, whether it was Democrat or spoken in some city and about fucking everything up and we would do great. Like in terms of getting attention in terms of getting attention it's easy thing to do.

It is much harder to get people's attention for some kind of an agenda, right, which is by the way why Mamdoni did great or one of the big reasons why Mamdoni did great. It's not just his viral videos because everyone can remember like exactly what Mamdoni wanted to do. And he was also like the other thing about Spencer Pratt to is there was a path where he could have tried to reach out to Democrats or centrists or whoever else in the city. And instead he got more maga as the campaign went on he spent the last weekend in New York on Fox and friends talking about dog raping.

“That and and calling for nithia ramen and Karen Bass to be jailed to be imprisoned like that's how we ended the campaign in New York.”

So it's like I don't think that no I don't think that's that impressive I'm sorry I'm sorry like I know the Democrats were all supposed to like learn from Spencer Pratt and do this as like I don't find that impressive.

Counterpoint Dwayne Patterson Hushu as producer the bottom line is Pratt ads were too good.

Hopefully this go to decision will mean that this the last time California can pull this done. Good show long show John Favron this was fun anything else anything on the leave me with final words of wisdom critiques comments. I got nothing. I got nothing Spencer Pratt for president. Pratt 2028 Pratt daddy Pratt daddy sad sad the Pratt summer was over just be over before began.

Brought summer to for me. All right, that's John Favron everybody else we back with his buddy build crystal on Monday. Have a good weekend. Enjoy the fight on the White House one or don't or maybe God will have something to say about it with thunderstorms. Well, well checking on Monday and find out together. See you all then.

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