Lis Smith: A Very Vengeful President

Hello, welcome to the Bulldog Podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller. We are live in a person in New York City. So I'm excited to have my old pal, a democratic strategist, advisor to the bench and majority Dems, author of any given Tuesday, a political love story. And we are here in kind of a mommy blogger studio, so I have a mommy, it's Liz Smith.

How you doing? I'm good. Thank you. It's good to see you again. How's your mom?

My mom is great. Yeah. She's recovering from a broken pelvis, but nothing can keep her down. Does she miss me? Of course she misses you.

I didn't tell her there was going on your show today. This is going to be the highlight of our week.

“Maybe I should swing by, does she need ice cream or something?”

Does she need a delivery?

Yeah. Yeah, maybe some PT. Okay. Are you qualified for you? I can't do pelvic PT.

I don't think she wants me touching her pelvis. I feel like she would be more comfortable with you touching her pelvis than most other men. Sure. Okay.

Well, we'll get back to that. We might have to have a little parent corner at the end, since we, you know, since it feels like a parenting vibe for Friday, we've got some fun stuff for people. There's a little bit of concerning news in my little my life. Not for me, actually.

I'm not really worried about it. My husband doesn't love it. Like when he saw that the White House sent out a tweet earlier this week, accusing me of violating phara, which is the,

“you know, where you have to register as a foreign agent.”

The reason that they said I violated phara was because I quote, tweeted a report coming out of the farce Iranian news agency. I was just commenting on what they said. I don't take me Iranian money, obviously. We're supported by our lovely viewers and subscribers at thebowlwork.com.

Donald Trump does take money from foreign country. It's quite a few. His family does too. His family does. Yeah, you say Saudi, Qatar is getting a plane to Qatar.

It seems like he might be a foreign agent, but I don't know. What do you think? Is this kind of good news for me? Should I be concerned? Should I be lawyering up?

I could see why your husband is unhappy about it. But I feel like you were going to be absolutely insufferable about this. You are just going to talk about this nonstop. Even like last night, you texted me five times. Making sure I knew that one of the topics was going to be you.

And Farah.

“You're going to be at the bar saying, hey, did you guys see the tweet?”

You know, Farah.

But I mean, what's incredible to me is that this is probably the first time in history that anyone associated

with Bill Crystal has been accused of being soft on Iran. And Iranian agent. Yeah, exactly. That's not what I'm trying to run. What a world.

Yeah, it's a strange world. Yeah, we had Bob Cagan on earlier this week. And he was, you know, kind of sounding like, you know, downright leftist. So, you know, things are changing. But I am going to be insufferable about it.

In part because there's no reason to be scared of these guys on this front. Because they've been competent in a lot of areas with their, with their nefarious goals. Immigration, for example. They haven't really been very good going after the foes. Like, I don't think the C shell crimes.

Like, I had Jim coming on the pot a couple of weeks ago. He didn't seem to be shaken in his boots. I thought coming to prison over the C shells. You know, I don't know. And you know, I, I work with Adam Sheff worked with him for a number of years now.

And I mean, it seems like they've been trying now for over a year to get him and haven't been able to do so. How does he feel? How's Mrs. Sheff feel? She nervous or are they? I don't think anyone's ever stoked to be, you know, in the crosshairs of a, of a very vengeful president. Yeah. But he's a upright guy. He did everything by the law.

He's a pretty much a boy scout. So I don't think he's too concerned about things. But no one likes being in the administration's crosshairs except for maybe you. I, I, I have to admit you have me clocked. Yeah, I did, I enjoyed it. And I'm hoping that they attack me more. The more they attack me over their stupid Iranian policy, it feels like the better.

Yeah, more eyeballs you get, the more money you make. What are they going to do? Like kick you out of the White House briefing room? You don't need access to the White House? Yeah. And also, I mean, I think that as a broader level, I mean, you're talking to a lot of Dems. I think the more that they're talking about this, just as general issue, the worse it is for them.

I could be one thing if they were like, I don't know, coming at me on something from an area of strength. But like the reason why a tweet that comments on, you know, how the Iranians are not really folding to Donald Trump's demands, you know, has them shook is because the Iranians don't seem to be folding to Donald Trump's demands. And this thing was supposed to be over in a couple days. It was going to be unconditional surrender. We're going to have the Iranian Delcy Rodriguez. It's going to be a lot of food document.

Dina Jod was coming back. Whatever their stupid plan was, and like they're kind of fucked right now. And I don't know, do you say to your Dem clients like press on the gas on Iran right now? Yeah, I do. It's incredibly unpopular across the board. I mean, it is a dumb war. If you go back to 2001, 2003 with Afghanistan Iraq,

There really was no rationale for going in. There's no endgame and the effects of it are being felt immediately gas prices are so out of control. Like Donald Trump ran on two big things, which is I'm going to lower your costs and I'm going to stop getting into wars. And he is getting us into wars and as a result raising our costs. So it is, it's a very clear connection. This is not just some like amorphous thing that's happening across the globe, hard to follow. It is directly connected to the price that people are paying for gas at the pump.

Yeah, I don't even know what a win is. Like your friend Scott Jennings posted yesterday. This looks like a huge win for President Trump. He is posting the 19th report from Axias saying that we have a deal right around the corner. They're going to be right eventually. And the folks at Axias, they just, one of these times, they're going to be correct. Like they keep saying a deal is around the corner in the kind of the broad sweep of history. And the deal is around the corner because we'll eventually have one you had assumed. But Jennings says this was huge win. I don't even know what could be a win.

Even if they, the Iranians gave them everything, if the Iranians woke up tomorrow and they're like, we're crying. It is hurting us too much. You know, I had to let him in a number two. The maybe gay one is just like Mr. Trump. Whatever you want, like we're opening the straight tomorrow, we'll give you the dust.

“Like even then, it's like, was it worth it? Was it worth pissing off our allies? Was it worth all the, like, munitions we've lost the cost of this war?”

We're going to have to rebuild our military, the cost of consumers of gas. Like, I don't even know what a win looks like.

Yeah, and that's the problem is the cost and thinking about all of that money that could have been spent here at home.

And that was a big thing Trump talked about in 2024. Why are we spending all this money in Ukraine when we could be spending it here at home? But he's doing that in Iran and, and this Iran stuff makes a lot less sense than intervening with Ukraine. And then the other thing that's even more troubling is when you see now that because of all the, you know, block into the straight home of her moves, gas prices are not going to go down for a very, very long time. It's not like they, they come to a deal and gas prices immediately drop.

So gas prices are going to remain high through the election. I do not see them getting a win before November and the biggest losers of all this are going to be consumers. It's going to be the voters who went to the polls in 2024 and said, I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden because Coss or too high and he doesn't give a shit about inflation and Donald Trump very clearly gives even less of a shit about inflation than Joe Biden does. All right. So just because I'm enjoying the administration threatening me doesn't make it good for the administration of threatened people.

So I did want to mention one of the stories happened this week that I find pretty sick. Somebody else that seems like they're actually being targeted by the administration, not just by tweets as EG and Carol, see an end reported that DOJ, Open a criminal perjury investigation into her testimony during her deposition about how her lawsuit was funded.

No one's confirmed that recording, but there's also some other related investigations, Trump's trying to get immunity from having to pay her the 83.3 million.

Like this is insane that he's going after her to the extent that they even are looking into it. It's so disgusting, you know, to think that EGN was victimized by Trump. They took it to a jury of their peers. There was a result and now he becomes the president and he's trying to victimize her again.

“I don't know. What's your perspective on this, because it's just like, is this what we want?”

The fucking DOJ doing is does anybody want this? Does anybody feel like this is justice or makes anybody feel safer or anything? It makes me fucking pissed. Yeah, it makes me pissed and no, I don't think anyone wants this, I don't think anyone asks for this.

And there is always a fear, if Donald Trump can do this against his enemies, Democrats can go in and do it against others.

Is that some kind of good to you now or are you changing your mood or when the Democrats should do more vengeful? I think Democrats should hope for a accountable, but I'm not for just like bloodthirsty vengeance, at least not politically. Then you're personal. Yes, of course. But the other thing is like, doesn't the DOJ have bigger fish to fry?

Right. Like, you know, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, all of these things. And instead of focusing on these big problems, we're focused on E.G. and Carol, who had a legitimate claim that Trump had sexually assaulted her years ago.

“And I think it's frightening to people, I think it's really petty, and this is not what he was elected on.”

And this is not what people are care about and this is not making anyone's lives better.

I got to let you see, went through. She just was very upfront about her past sex life.

“And I believe that she had had sex with five or six men, total in her whole life.”

And it was like an Oscar winner, an astronaut, an Olympian. I mean, it was, it was the best roster I've ever heard. It shows a lot like mine. It says it's so different from mine. You know, bartender anyway, so E.G. is wonderful, and she's a Spitfire, and I don't think she'll be pushed down by this, but it's sick.

Thank you about the vengeance question. And this isn't really vengeance, but it's more like oversight. I say you posted about this this week. I feel like one thing that I can bring, you know, having been a Republican quite a while ago now, but it's been a minute. But the Republican oversight during the Obama and Biden years, Obama in particular, was aggressive.

And like blood, thirsty and relentless. And you look at trade guarantee in his management of that oversight committee. And some of it looks stupid, and they made fun of it. They're like, oh, you're going to have the 30 second Benghazi hearing, but like it worked. It worked.

Like we learned about Anthony Weiner's behavior because of those investigations. Everything that led to the Jim Comey letter to Clinton in the fall of 2016 came out of those investigations. Like what?

“Like what should the dams be doing preparing for right now, assuming they can take over in 2027?”

We'll get to that next, like what for, you know, how to effectively do oversight over this administration? So we can't wait until 2027, like hopefully we win the house, we cannot wait till 2027 to start prosecuting this case. And I don't, where were you in 2006? Oh, boy. That was really smoking the bang on panic tour.

Where was I in 2006? I was in Geoffrey and Bernie's campaign in Iowa. Was really good. We are the second closest Republican challenger in the country. The Republicans won zero seats last that year.

It's very, that's been like cover one. Yep. Yeah, cover crushed Jim Nusseln. The governor's race set year. I know.

Yeah. Yeah, correction. I was in the closet, actually. So that's where I was in the closet. I did.

Yeah. I was in the closet. I asked Murray out. I was wearing fake glasses at the time. I was going through some stuff.

I was still a Republican. I've really kind of self-actualized since then. It's kind of like, there was a period of time where I looked back on that with a lot of embarrassment. But now that we said here in this soft, focused studio, I can say, I look back on that now and think, man, maybe I needed that.

That embarrassing moment with Murray at Kamala to fully come out the other side and blast them and be my true self.

So you went from being a closet Republican fake glasses wearing operative to a never-tumper

to a Democrat and now to an agent of the Iranian government allegedly. Mostly allegedly. Wow. That is like some of John and like reinvention. It's been a journey.

It's been a journey. Where were we? We talked about it. I'm sorry. Two thousand sex.

You know your personal story always gets me. So I was with Climacascale in 2006 and in her center race.

“And if you remember that year, that was when all of these GOP corruption scandals came to”

ahead with the lobbyists and paid a play stuff with Mark Foley and the cover up with him, you know, doing all this inappropriate stuff with underage pages. And it was a mixture of like, bad sex stuff and we sort of paid a play stuff and make sure of self enrichment. And we Democrats effectively use that to say that there was an irredeemable culture

of corruption in the Republican party. We needed to drain the swamp cleanhouse. And we had candidates who could prosecute the case effectively. Like someone like Climacascale, state order who rooted out waste.

Jim Webb, in Virginia, like this is just amazing, you know, war hero.

I think we're really right for a moment like that now. The corruption is so much worse, so much more brazen. I was less at, I was reading through all the Trump stuff. It is crazy. Like have you ever just tried to read it out on this show?

Like it would take forever. Like the billions and crypto stuff, the family deals. I mean, I-- Did you see the Dell story, yes, the came out this week? This one is so crazy.

So Trump-- obviously Michael Dell put the money into the Trump bonds or whatever it is, which is pretty annoying as it is. But like the money is going to a good thing. But like why do it put Trump's name and face on everything? But Trump-- as part of that, I get a press conference.

It's like go buy a Dell, like go buy Dell. And he starts promoting Dell from the White House.

I'm curiously to that, he bought like five million in Dell stock.

And this week Dell got a nine billion dollar

Yeah. And so their stock obviously goes up huge. And this is crazy. Like the amount of money that he is personally investing. And in addition to all the crypto stuff,

it is just for the family stuff. Like is beyond-- like everybody made a big deal with the Pelosi tracker and the-- This is billions of dollars. Yeah.

So the trading as you're talking about. And then you add in much like the Mark Foley thing.

“You have that-- the whole Epstein file cover up, right?”

And the fact that they didn't want to release it in part

because they wanted to protect a lot of the powerful men.

Not necessarily even ones who are partaking in all the discussing, unlawful things that Epstein were doing. But who were just like sidling up to him, knowing that he was engaging in this behavior. And so I think it creates this perfect stew of corruption and swampiness

to run against. And Democrats actually have good candidates, much like in 2006 who can do that. I think one of the things that Democrats have done well, this cycle, is go outside of like some of the typical career

politicians and look for people with different types of profiles. And you know, sort of an ideal type of person here. Again, this is someone who's been politics more. It's someone like Rob Sand, right? He runs ads just saying, you know what?

You know what? You're ready for governor of Iowa. Stealing is bad. And he made fighting corruption hallmark of his time as state auditor.

And I think he's got a great shot at winning the governor's race in Iowa.

But Democrats need to go at the corruption issue and say, look, Donald Trump Republicans ran on making your life more affordable. Lower and cost for you. Instead, they are just focused on making themselves as rich as possible. So I agree with your assessment of the campaigns.

The folks that are running in campaigns.

“And I think to the Democrats have a lot of good candidates,”

we're going to get a little bit more of more into that. A little less impressed with the DC Democrats, particularly in the Senate side. If you think about like, who is going to be the trade outie? Shouldn't that person be the trade outie already?

Like, if you said right now, who is the Democrat that is like, bringing voice to the corruption in the most compelling way right now? I don't know if you said Epstein would be Rokana, Garcia, Robert Garcia, also did a really good job on Epstein. You know, there are other issues you can think of other people.

The goose is actually done a really good job on a lot of the corruption stuff. And again, if Dems retake the house in 2027-- This correction of Colorado. I love Jenna goose. Big nuggets fan.

But like, people don't know who that is. Like, who of the big names have-- The trade goal, trade goutie wasn't a big name until he took this to font. Yeah. And I actually think that, you know,

having someone who is a relatively fresh face doesn't have a lot of the washing baggage taking this on would be most effective. But we've got to lay out the case now. And sometimes we think, because we read all of this news. We listen to the bulwark.

We read the New York Times. We read Playbook. We do all this. I can't say I do all those every day. I'm a mom of a three-year-old.

Yeah, I was going to say that you're taking some liberties with the word. We, what he said, we listen to the bulwark. You listen to the bulwark. You listen to every once in a while when you have one of your clients. Yes.

And, but most people don't. And you, I sort of got to, almost passed out the other day. When you, quote, tweeted Glenn Greenwald. Yeah. He did this, a Jubilee, where he was talking to Maga supporters.

And he was telling them about all the corruption and the Trump administration. And none of them knew anything about it. Right. They knew anything about it. Why?

Because they get news from people who are aligned with them ideologically. A lot of them aren't seeking out political news. They're not listening to the bulwark. They're not reading the New York Times. They're not looking to nonpartisan things.

“And so, how is it that we are able to get this message out to everyone?”

Because I really do believe the corruption message is very critical in the selection.

And it's really got to be in all of the above strategy where talking about it every day. On the campaign trail. It is part of the economic message we're doing. It's in our paid advertising and Democrats are going as many places as possible to talk about. The corruption stuff is so, so corrosive.

And I have never been one of those people who was overly hyperbolic about the Trump stuff. I think sometimes early on when Democrats did it. It hurt us in the long run because they freaked out about so many small things. That by the time the big things happen, we're happening. We lost credibility.

But the stuff we're reading about now is crazy. It is, it's crazy. And we have to, we have to win this election. We have to prosecute this case. And we've got to put in really, really strong guardrails to make sure that this can happen again.

You know, people buying partens. I forgot to mention that. It's crazy. It is a little bit of a problem that nobody in the Democratic Senate conference seems to be able to talk. You know, like Chris Murphy's pretty good.

But it's tough. It's tough. It was like a weakness of the Rikshuma recruiting. We're talking to a fellow Democratic strategist the other day who actually likes Shimmer. But he's like, if you look back, it's a great new era now.

But if you just think about the people that they recruited in these states and

Michigan and Nebraska and Nevada and so many states, it's like sad, exactly people that are light in the room on fire. It was legislators. It was got people that, you know, won't knew how to work the system. And like that's fine.

But in this moment, I kind of wish so are more people who like like the room on fire. You mean in terms of going on media or like so.

“I think someone like Adam Schiff, again, someone I work for in the Senate in that format.”

He's he's a former prosecutor. He's very good at prosecuting the case. But would I put Adam Schiff on hostile media? No. I mean, because the hate is so ingrained against him that he is not going to be a particularly credible messenger.

But we need to figure that out and figure that out fast.

Who is going everywhere? Wrocana, you mentioned, has done a good job of going to many places. But yeah, let's step you ties more people. They'll rose but on Fox and things are different. I had the team because, you know, do you feel like you get credit for like coining the go everywhere strategy?

Is that, is that Liz Smith TM? I think some people have given me credit. I give you credit for. So I had an idea for a gimmick, which was I was going to put on Dems on Fox recently. And we're going to grade them like who's doing well.

Right on the Pete scale, like, you know, we're Pete is the best and, you know, who, I don't know, who would be the worst in that trajectory. But for this week, only one Democrat has been on Fox. It was Chris Coons and he got asked about Jill Biden's book.

And I just, I wish Jill Biden would just go away.

I've got Robert just hanging out in Delaware. We don't need the book. This is not a book anybody wants or needs. So it wasn't that great of a hit. You know, you weren't really on offense when you're talking about the Biden 2024 debate.

And who's a domestic good?

“You kind of pay that's back to his message points. That's it's like, okay. So like, what is happening there?”

Like, are not enough Dems trying to go on. Do you think Fox realizes things are bad or not having people on? Like, it feels like the effort on the go everywhere is not really as intense as I would like in this moment. So there are two reasons these days to go on Fox. One is to have a moment, right?

Well, you just go on and you're like, I want to punch the host in the face. That's a very self-serving thing where you will get donors out of it. The chatroom class will be like, oh, look, this guy can take the fight, this guy or gal can take the fight to the Republicans. You will get plaudits online. But when you take that approach, you are absolutely not winning anyone at home.

And I've just seen over time people more and more doing that approach versus the persuasion approach. And in 2019, 2020 with Pete, he did lean very much into their persuasion approach. And you still see some Democrats doing that. Mark Kelly had a really good appearance a number of months ago. He was trying to do that when he goes on and through him a few times.

And Rose, pretty good at that. We mentioned him already. And so I think if the goal is to get the message out to people that this administration is really corrupt. And that it's wrong. And that it's this corruption is hurting you. And that you elected these people to lower your costs and they're just getting rich. I think going on and yelling at them and insulting the host is less effective than trying to make their persuasive case and say,

Look, we can all agree corruption is bad. That people should not be getting elected to Congress to enrich themselves. And I would try to strike more of that tone. And it doesn't just seem to be Fox News. As we know, Fox News, its audience is getting smaller and smaller over time.

And so we've got to really hit the entire ecosystem. But it does feel like a moment to do it, right? Because of the corruption, because of how bad the war's going. And I don't know, I'm looking at like, you know, if you're well keen out there. Are you scared of having Democrats? Like, why aren't there?

Why aren't Democrats on the well keen show right now? I tried to have Republicans on this show, none of them will come on. And I think that they realize that it's a position of weakness that they're in. And it's pretty telling that there is only one Democrat on Fox this week. And to me, I think that the Democrats should do more to be trying to go into these spaces.

But I think it's pretty telling that Fox is not, you know, using this moment to try to find, you know, an Alan Colms punching bag to knock around. I think that they realize that like, they're not a lot of good arguments. They have for the way the Donald Trump's been governing the last couple months. Well, what I found interesting, I think it was this week was Megan Kelly.

Yeah. I went hard at Trump saying, I cannot believe how brazen they are in their corruption. And you've seen people like Joe Rogan, you know, call out the corruption too. So it doesn't just seem to be Fox. Like, Rogan is not like a right wing outlet, but it's certainly more right coded.

But he has a huge diverse persuadable audience. It is very tough to get booked on there as a politician. Megan Kelly, a little easier. It's sometimes she does allow this stuff in bad faith.

“But I would look at the broader ecosystem and not just think of the only way to reach”

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So I guess I'd be my message to Jesse Waters and well-canned.

Like, don't be a pussy. Yeah. Yeah. It's 2026.

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And so because this is in the spirit of Fox, then there's spin zone. We're going to separate out the candidates that you're actually working for. Because I don't have people know you're working for Mallory by the way. I'm partial to Mallory in the Michigan Senate race. You've a bunch of other candidates.

So I kind of want to just talk a little bit more broader about the various dem candidates and what you're seeing out there. And one person that we can talk about because famously you're not working for him as James Tellerick. Well, apparently no one told Jasmine. Talk at that. When I interviewed Tellerick, we didn't do this bit on stage because it felt like an insider.

But I did ask him behind. I was like, so has Liz Smith been telling you what to do. And he's like, we have a, he said that we have a joke on the campaign and turn away. We can't decide what to do. We say, let's go to the big boss and we'll call Liz Smith.

Mike, and I mean, just, you can't even imagine. I remember when the video popped of her. I've Jasmine Crocket at some like close or fundraiser saying, I'm behind all these things. All that. I'm literally with my two and a half year old son at his swim class on a Saturday morning.

Like, girl, I am not playing Rasputin this race. I am struggling to get that swim diaper on. And, um, you know, the, I, it's sort of like the fair thing with you. It is, especially when you're a parent of a two-year-old and sometimes you're like, God, this two-year-old is kicking my ass.

It feels so powerless.

It's sort of nice when people think of you as it's like powerful puppet master.

It wasn't the case. Sadly. In this case, it wasn't true. And like, I would gladly take credit for it. If it were true, James says ran a great campaign.

“But, um, I think he's a great candidate.”

I gave him some early informal advice. But, um, I've not been working on this. What do you think, uh, now about the situation. He's in the general. You're against canpactin.

Republicans go in whole hall, got him. I mean, low tea, tele Rico. They're going back to all of his various peak woke quotes. Telefrico. Telefrico.

He had some bad peak woke quote. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, talking about his whiteness, talking about my neighbor with a uterus. You literally talked about my neighbor with a uterus.

Yeah. And it's like, I don't want to hear a man saying the word uterus at all. It's weird. And we can respect and love our trans neighbors. Well, also just saying.

I remember all. Right. I think that's okay. So, I don't know. How worried are you about all that stuff?

“Like, do you think it lands differently in 26 and in 24?”

Because of what else happening in the world? Like, what's your assessment? Like, a lot of Democrats said a lot of dumb shit in 2019 and 2020. And I saw it up close. You know, I was on Pete's presidential campaign.

I felt like a daily struggle with some of our staff trying to force Pete to use, you know, gender, neutral language when it came to abortions. And things like that. And he's like, I'm Indiana. He understands that this is--

It takes us for an ounce out of his bio. This is not how you're going to convert people on a fractious issue like abortion and choice. So, look, I think we temporarily lost our minds. I think we're risk for that to happen again, by the way. I don't think we're out of the woods.

But for now, for now, I'm seeing some of this language bubbling up in some of these deep blue primaries. And I'm concerned with 2028. I'm really concerned about 2028. I feel like we should maybe just do another episode on this.

But I was talking about the dumb strategist about this.

It's like all the incentives for the Dems of 2028 are going to be to go as far left as possible to get to get claps online and small dollar donors. And we can go and the staff that will be on these campaigns will try to push them that way or threaten to walk off, et cetera, et cetera. But one thing that James is doing that I saw work well for Zaron Mondani

and his mayoral races, Zaron Mondani was confronted with all tweets. It's where he said, we need to defund the police and YPDs and anti-queer and I don't know.

“It's like all this sort of language I don't understand or use, right?”

That I've never heard normal people use.

Like a colonizing force, right? It's like shit that sounds like it's from the role. The police is anti-queer liberation. Oberlin College dorm lecture. You know who threw the first stone at Stonewall?

It's where Rhiner on the corner for Stonewall, Rhiner. Yes. But Mondani went out and said, you know what? I regret those statements. They don't want to pluck my views now and guess what?

I'm going to keep Jessica Tish as please commissioner, which I think was the best decision you made. And he was able to effectively neutralize it by saying, I said dumb things, I don't believe them now. Did it piss off some people on his coalition?

Yeah, but they're more willing to go with him because he's still was the most progressive person in that race. And by that time, no one in that mayoral primary is running on defund the police.

Everyone sort of understood you.

Right. But with, so James, he's been smart to say, I said dumb things. And, which I said them and moving on.

“And not only that, he is, I think, making a very concerted effort right now.”

And you and I talked about this before. Is he, like, actually a moderate? Or is he just says aesthetically a moderate? And we're seeing a few areas where he is, like, breaking more with democratic orthodoxy on oil and gas,

saying that Democrats have been too hostile to oil and gas. And that oil and gas is lifeblood for a lot of communities in Texas. That is, you know, a few years ago, would have been, you know, a heretical thing to say.

He slammed by the handling of the border, which is really smart. You know what he didn't, was he said, and this one was interesting to me, because I haven't heard this from a lot of Democrats. You know, his background as a middle school teacher. And he said that he thinks that there needs to be more accountability

for teachers, more accountability for bad teachers. You know, stricter standards. And we haven't really heard that from a lot of Democrats lately. Democrats sort of went from being, like, sympathetic or supportive of education reform under Obama to just like, not talking about reform at all.

And I thought that was interesting because we know that George Shabby Bush in Texas had been a big proponent of this. And so it sort of signals to people that he is a different type of democrat. But he's got to go out there. He's got to certainly prosecute the case against,

can packs and speaking of freak, right? And there's a lot of opportunities there that fit into the whole corruption frame. I mean, this is a guy who went in with, like, not worth $150,000 now multimillionaire.

“How do you make that much money as an attorney general?”

Yeah. And that drives. And then what she's been indicted for. Calarico had-- He stole a pen.

Yeah, he stole a pen. What the heck is that? It stole like a month block. I don't know. No, it's called really fancy pen.

I'm not a fancy pen. Right, yeah. But yeah. And then there's that thing where he let off the hug. This guy who admitted to repeatedly raping a boy from the age of like eight, nine, ten.

He got like 30 days. 30 days. His friends are, you know, had a relationship with some kind. Right. And so, I mean, that's like more folious, sir.

It's abstine. It fits into all of this whole class. And it's disgusting. - Yeah, it's a debate, since 2014, speaking in the P word, "packs and doesn't debate."

- Doesn't debate. - So, I think a lot of opportunities from the going offense. - Like, look, if they're gonna go this way about Tallahureka, let's just go there with Packsin,

that guy does not have a face for a TV. - No. - Honestly, it looks like there's something wrong. - He's kind of like a drunk, empty dump thing. - Yeah, yeah.

I always wonder if he's dealing with a medical condition,

but like, him calling, it's like, he's like trying to take care of him. - He's like trying to take care of him. - He's like trying to take care of him. - He's like trying to take care of him.

- He's like trying to take care of him. - He's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him.

- Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him. - Yeah, he's like trying to take care of him.

One thing Democrats have against him is all the awful things for being, you know, all the infidelity,

And so I think there's a lot to go after Paxon on,

but James has got a, it's still, you know, Trump plus what, 14. - Yeah, see? - He's got to go out and, you know, galvanized the base, but also make sure

he loses those red areas by less. - What do you think about the broader as we're getting to kind of these other races, both in the house and the Senate and red districts or redish, soft red districts?

You know, there are kind of a couple of models out there. I guess the partners in Maine, which kind of law ones, so it's not a red district, but you see, you're kind of people doing the kind of populist left thing, Dan Osborne is doing that in Nebraska.

You know, then you also see people trying more of, I guess what you call me more of a middle of the road, type populism, localizing, Paltola in Alaska, Roy Cooper, and North Carolina. How do you kind of navigate all that?

“Do you feel like there's a case for both of those options?”

Do you prefer one?

Like what kind of advice would you give people?

- I prefer the one that's gonna win in the area where people are winning. Right, I've said this forever. I wrote about this in my book. There is no one way to be a Democrat.

We've got to give people space to be different types of Democrats. I also wanna see it. I wanna see it in real time, like what's working, and what's not working. And one thing that excites me about this cycle

is we are truly running different types of candidates. I mean, grand plan, or couldn't get much-- - What's the idea that we do a candidate swap and have him run in Texas and Telereco run in Maine? - I don't think that any of the woke stuff

would really matter in Maine. I think the people in Texas might like some of Graham's reddit posts. - Yeah, I saw that. I could see it. I could see it.

- He's not a usual candidate. - However, I would say that this is where I think Graham would have problems in Texas is on issues with law enforcement and immigration enforcement, not exactly. - Yeah.

- And Texas is a place where people want in immigration enforcement. - They don't want the like chaotic ice raids, but they want to secure border, they want secure. - Your guy Bobby Polito, who you can sell for us on the show,

he was really good on this. - Yeah, yeah, and there's a board of law enforcement. I know Paterson, negative things about that, but Paterson is a really interesting candidate. He and all these things, people thought

we're gonna end his campaign this thing. It felt very much like Trump in 2016. - I was, I've been watching this. I'm so happy you said that, because it's hard to say this without being offensive to Paterson.

I don't mean, I really don't mean it this way, but it's like, how did the Republicans

“who spent 10 years watching the Democrats do what you just said?”

In effect, really, throw stuff at Trump and like think it was gonna work when all it did was boomerang back on them, you know? 'Cause it was like, oh, oh, Mr. Trump said some uncouth words. It's like, oh, that's gonna really be the thing

that broke 'em. All of this stuff didn't work. It just made Trump supporters love him more. And like this is just kind of like the inverse of that. Where the Republicans, every time I see a new upload drop,

there was some free beacon thing today. That was like, who, Graham Plattener said on Reddit, he wasn't sure about the Armenian genocide. And I'm like, oh, that'll do it. That's really gonna be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

It's just, it's a misunderstands what attracts people to the candidates. - Yeah, and there are so many different things. I get at him like Susan Collins yesterday was saying, oh, he like cusses on Reddit, like, ooh.

You know, Donald Trump calls people pussy from the podium. - I actually think that part of Graham Plattener's appeal is the fact that he led an imperfect, flawed life struggle with so many things. And is, you know, is trying to be a better man.

And I happen to believe that people shouldn't be defined by their worst days. The worst things they've said online, the worst tattoos they've gotten. - That's Maria Cabella out on a date when they're in the closet.

- I mean, you know, you probably don't.

“We're defined, but that's how worst day.”

- Yeah, that's, you know. - Yeah, I don't wear stuff like that. Let's not do about that. Let's move forward. - But we're not going back.

- And I think people sort of have responded to that. Now, I understand why people have misgivings about Graham Plattener, but two is credit. And I certainly don't agree with him on ideologically on everything. I think on issues of immigration, maybe law enforcement,

I'm probably a little bit more toward the center. But I respect that he has taken his case directly to the people of Maine. He's like going everywhere, taking all of the questions. He didn't like just getting a bunker after all these things

and hide. He ran right to him and answered it. And like the people of Maine are going wild for him. And that primer, he was just trouncing. - Yeah.

- The incumbent guy. - So I saw a video of the other day of like one of the Republican trackers falling around. Been like, "Do you still like to masturbate in public restrooms, Graham?"

He's out there and it's like, "Okay, I go for that.

"I'm going to get mad at a Marine for saying that I never watched

Jarhead."

seeing a Jarhead, it's trigger warning.

“I watched her with my mother, it was traumatizing.”

- Yeah, I'm not to self. I will not be watching that with the Adrian. But there's a big difference between Plattener and Trump, though,

'cause Trump never went out and said,

"I'm sorry for these things I did. I'm sorry, I did these awful things." Graham Plattener was saying, "I was a bad person back then. "I was going through a lot of troubles, "but I'm a different person now."

And I want to use my struggles, use my journey to help other people who have gone through similar things and go to the Senate and like fight for people if you'll left behind by the system. And he's like tapping into the very anti-status quote,

anti-establishment feeling that people have, he's fucking pissed off. And everyone I know in Maine, like I'm talking about people who like worked for Hillary Clinton, like not,

I'm not talking about like lefties, all that. They go wild for him, 'cause they've seen them up close. And the nice thing about a state like Maine is, you can actually see and touch a lot of people up close, harder to do that in Texas.

Trying to force males with such a mistake. - Oh yeah. - Such a mistake. - Well, I should remember. - It was like looking at 2024 and saying, okay, let's double down on all the dumb shit we did there.

Someone old, someone who is the definition of the establishment. I don't understand why they expected different results.

- Let's pick on the popular stuff, these were one second.

- Okay. - Okay, here's my main issue. Like in this moment right now, I feel like in this conventional wisdom and the narrative online, everybody now says,

like what the Democrats need to do to win is populist economic, as Bernie style economics, you know, people in the Graham Platner mold,

“like that's how you win over swing voters.”

And we're gonna do that instead of moving to the middle, you know, on cultural issues or whatever, the things that people suggested in the past that you do to win over swing voters. And I'm like, I'm open to here, to try in it.

Like, I'm actually not, it's not my cup of tea personally, but that could be right. Like my issue with it is like, they're very dismissive of any other possible model for winning voters.

And their model hasn't actually worked.

- Yes, yeah, it's true. The common model didn't work. I mean, we saw that, that's true. I bet I don't think anybody is suggesting we run the Harris campaign.

- But I mean, what even was the common model though? - Exactly. The funny thing about the common model, which I call the common look and under it, is that it's like, it's so funny.

Moderates say, well, the problem was that she was too far left. She was a California progressive

“and then the populist Bernie types are like,”

well, the problem was she did the one event with Liz Cheney and she was too much of a corporate center. It's like, so she didn't appeal to anybody. My point is, like, they haven't done it. The reason that there's no bench of populist lefties

is because they haven't recruited successfully. I can't let it to go out and win a general election in a purple state or a red state. And that's not even really main. Like main is like a light blue state.

And so sometimes I look at the kind of discourse around that and I feel like the Bernie left a little bit over their skis. - Yeah, I mean, generally the things that are loud as create the most conflict, get the most coverage. But to your point, there's not a lot of success.

And like, I've, you know, I touch a lot of voters, see a lot of focus groups. And like overall, what people say is they don't want a revolution. They want stability.

They want people understand that they wake up in the middle of the night. Like concerned about losing their job. Like being one health emergency away from being bankrupt. They're not necessarily, you know, bankrupt right now.

But it's just knowing economic anxiety. And to a lot of people, the idea of this like revolution is actually pretty terrifying to them. They just want stability. They hate the chaos of the Trumps.

But they don't want it replaced by a new sort of chaos where you're kicked up your health care and force onto a different system. And I sometimes think that just saying, you know, a noun of our billionaire does it.

It's like maybe great for an ideological lecture. But it doesn't really connect with the main issues of people are feeling, which is they just can't afford shit. And they want to be able to know that like, if they go to the doctor, their services will be covered.

They won't get surprised bills. When they get prescribed prescriptions that they will be covered, that they can afford them that maybe they could pay for them at the same rate, people play overseas. And so we need to make sure that it is not just

up in the clouds, railing against billionaires and monopolies and all this stuff that a lot of people don't understand and really bring it down to the very urgent existential things that people feel about costs in their lives right now.

- Proof me wrong. It's fine. That is what works. And then that resonates with just it hasn't. And I get frustrated.

Like they see that clearly when looking at the other side. Like nobody looks at the other side.

“You know, people sit because Trump won twice.”

People say, see, we need more of that. Like we can just let our freak flag fly. But like Trump moderated on some random issues, like foreign policy, which he hasn't filed through on. And you know, health care, which he hasn't filed.

Like he hasn't filed through on them, but he did in the campaign. He did moderate from like the Paul Ryan position on several issues. And you see clearly like, well, Carrie Lake didn't win. Personal Walker didn't win.

You know what I mean? Like when you look at the other side, you can see, I think, you know, because you're not clouded by your own factual interests. It's like, well, yeah, I've had the Republicans

nominated a more normal person in Georgia. John Osloff might not be the hotness thing for 28. 'Cause he might not be there anymore. - Yeah, and if you look at, you know, 2022, right? When it was a midterm election,

I mean, it was different. 'Cause Biden was president. The Senate candidates who won, it was, you know, will both Osloff and... - Yeah, I just correct you.

And I said, those weren't accurate. And it was won.

“It was the same year 'cause Osloff ran against Purdue.”

- Yeah, but then you had like, you had federal men. You had Mark Kelly. - Yeah. - And then the one Senate candidate who lost was Mandela Barnes.

We should have won that race. And he was someone who was going more in that vein. Now, I don't think that there was a problem against rail against the billionaires. But you got to bring it back to not just billionaires bad,

but like, for instance, you know, you and I talked about this before is, we're seeing a lot of candidates right now talking about AI. And the need to regulate AI. And full disclosure, one of them is Malay MacMoro.

Candidate, I have advice since... - Yeah, that's true. We are seeing a lot of candidates. We're kind of seeing Alex Boris, Malay MacMoro. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- And Malay's the first, you know, statewide

this cycle to really take it on, taking on both the jobs and the online safety piece. And Boris has really sort of become the poster boy for this. Here in New York. What they're saying is, yes, this is about AI

'cause this could disrupt your job. It could put your kids at risk, do all these things. Put your privacy at risk. The argument too is that these are a bunch of billionaires who are gonna get rich by displacing you.

Displacing your job. These are a bunch of billionaires who are gonna get rich by, you know, having your kids talk to chat bots that are, you know, encouraging them to commit suicide

or sharing like inappropriate sexual information with them. So if you can make that connection and also the connection that fits in with the whole Trump narrative, that there's-- - They're buying off Canada, we're buying off DC.

- And there's this Kabbalah, a very rich people who are trying to write the rules for themselves and get themselves rich while everyone else is getting screwed.

“And so I think if you can bring it all together like that”

and not just make it just like class warfare, billionaire, bad, and like this one gets under my skin. I'm sorry, I have to go there. - Get loose. - I know, I'm gonna lose, you got me all warmed up here.

But like, while I see these people going out there and saying billionaires, bad, they are all lined up but behind Tom Sire and California, explain that to me.

This guy has spent half a billion dollars

buying off influencers, buying off all these empty groups whose whole rationale is billionaires bad, getting their support and it shows one, it shows like just sort of how bad of a candidate. Tom Sire has said, you spend half a billion dollars

and you're still in the teens. - I remember him on those debate stages in 2020, this is not, this is a guy who's a character. - Yeah, not a dynamic character, but someone who's completely flipped his positions

on everything else. But then like, yes, to buy all these people to support him and all the people who he's buying to off to support him are the people who rarely against the billionaires. So find all of that, it's a bit hollow.

- Bit hollow. - So you're part of the Katie Porter hive, then. - You know what? - Okay, hi. - I'm a New York resident, I do some working

helpful on your Adam Schiff and Mayor Daniel Lurry, who is, I think-- - I love Mayor Daniel Lurry. Okay, we're not in this stop, stop promoting our candidates. I want to, in fact, you don't get to use the credit.

- I'm promoting-- - For the people that are back in the city. - We love Daniel Lurry. For people who, maybe getting mad if some of your takes there on the left,

you also are kind of a surprise over on Stan. - I love you. - And you are all last time you're on. I believe it was during the campaign and you were talking about how you would rank him

ahead of Cuomo. - Yeah. - You were also at the time talking about how much you, you liked him, you liked how much he'd love the city and you liked his optimism.

You've done a lot of local politics here. So now we're what?

Six months in, basically, five months in to the mayor ship.

Like, great, I'm how's he doing? - Yeah, so, I mean, just to your point, I had worked for Cuomo before. I wrote a book where I called out some of the bad things I saw behind the scenes with Andrew Cuomo.

Some of the things that I thought he was very dishonest with people about, certainly relating to his sexual harassment scandal.

savers who's willing to publicly call him out.

Why is pretty obvious? He's a pretty vengeful guy. But I thought it was really important. And I saw, in Zoron, Mamdaani, someone who I didn't agree with on a lot of issues.

But, you know, he did in a lot of ways, not ideologically, but in terms of his optimism, his presentation remind me a little bit of Pete. - He tangled a little optimism. I love how much he loved New York City.

And I found that he talked about issues, not in that weirdo, lefty, intellectual way with all those words I don't understand. - It's the whole old truck. He goes back to the old truck.

It's just like, man, these guys are trying to make a living and there's they have to fill out too many fucking forums. - Yeah. - And I was appealing to me at a technocratic, abundancey level.

It's like, yeah, let the whole old truck guys sell cheap

all the people, like, stop. Like, this isn't enough to get involved in all this. And I liked the free 2K for people. And my biggest concern, so I ranked him in the primary. I probably supported him, voted for him in the general.

And I was a little nervous, little nervous. But, like, for me, my topic is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It's public safety, public order, you know, in part, because it's some personal experiences if I had. But, you know, yesterday I was reading a story,

the left is very mad. I had to run mom Donnie because policing has gone up. The number of summons is going out. I've been up, people were complaining about the number, increased number of police on the subways.

And, you know, to me, I'd say, it seemed to a lot of bull work listeners. That is very welcome news.

“'Cause I really think when Democrats let our cities turn”

into dystopian shitholes of disorder, that it is very bad for the brand. Like, some of it's crime. But, some of it is like, we live in the greatest city in the world. We should not be letting people die in our streets of mental illness

and drug overdoses. And so, I think he's done a good job of that. The smartest decision he made was keeping just conditions. And my PD commissioner, I'm glad he's a powder. I like the stuff he's done on housing.

And, saying I was wrong before for being a nimbee, I'm leaning into yambiism. I like the stuff he's done on early childhood education. I also like just his style. Like, I think that your style of leadership is policy itself.

And for years and years and years, we had mayors and governors where everything was conflict. Everything was a dick measure in contest. And he is willing to work with the Democratic governor who is a very different type of Democrat from him

and get things done. Now, he's willing to work with the president to get things done for in New York City. And I want that in my mayor. So...

- Sharia loss myth. - So, there you go, DSA loss. - Yes, so I certainly, he's had some missteps here there. But overall, I feel positive. I hope he continues on this track.

“And I think he's defied a lot of the caricatures.”

And more sex expectations people had. - We're back in the New York group. The next one in the finals. So Ron is doing well. You can walk through the streets.

I can feel the buzz in the streets, you know? People are hopping. Okay, two more things we'll let you go. One, we just had to make fun of this. And this is kind of born your era of music, actually.

So, Trump announced the great American state fair for the 250th anniversary. I hate him so much. I couldn't even go to this thing anyway, even if it was a band I liked,

because I just, I need to break. You know, I'm gonna be with my family. Pool party, barbecue. I don't need Donald Trump in my life on Fourth of July this year.

But anyway, he announced the lineup. It was very 80s, Martin and McBride. I guess 90s, the Commodore is Brett Michaels. Your big Brett Michaels Gale. Morris Day in the Time, Young MC.

The CNC music factory, the first tape I bought

as a child was MC Hammer and CNC music factory. Vanilla ice was coming. Millie Vanilly, post scandal, flow rida. So that was the list or nine people that were announced. Since then, five have dropped out.

So we're left with just CNC music factory Vanilla ice flow rida and Millie Vanilly at the great American state fair put on by Donald Trump. So I read that Millie Vanilly had dropped out. Millie's out too.

Can we just discuss this? Because I remember where I was. Millie is too much integrity. I remember where I was when Millie Vanilly had that moment where they, you know, yes, the lip syncing.

And where were you? I'm like watching TV. I mean, yes.

“I think I heard about it in my cousin Tom's house.”

No, I missed it. And I mean, I've still over the years of rewatch that clip. I mean, they're song slept. Like I listened to them before I knew. But, you know, you would think the most embarrassing thing

would be inviting Millie Vanilly to perform at your big, presidential thing. But, no, we found something more embarrassing is that they're backing out because it's bad for their reputation.

- Yeah.

- Solid reputation.

- Solid reputation and embarrassing group

of the 1980s. The guys talked about how they wanted to kill themselves. They couldn't show their faces in public. And like the fact that this is a bridge to far for them, wow.

- Wow. How do you say that Brett Michael's is out? - You know, I have some more like a Gunton Rose's girl like poison. I, you know, I can fuck with some like every Rose has its thaw.

- Sure. - It's a bad power ballads. - Yeah. - Hairbands. Okay.

Well, since we're in the mommy vlogger studio, Bill Simmons had a bit that we had parent-parent corner. The end of his podcast was Cousin Sal and Sunday. So I figured we'd do a little parent corner. And we could each tell each other one story

about life as a parent. - Yeah.

“- Well, do you want to go first or do you want me to?”

- Yeah, so I have noticed in my son it turns three and three months and he's definitely taken on a lot of gendered characteristics, obsessed with trucks. Fire trucks, especially, but garbage trucks, police cars, dump trucks, excavators,

you name it. - Born this way. - But another thing I noticed recently is, sometimes we'll be walking out of the street. I don't love to use this trailer,

but if he gets tired he'll say up and I pick him up and he'll look behind me and he'll be like, "Oh, the man's coming, the man's coming."

And then like the second time I did it,

he said a week later, I picked him up and he said the man's coming. I was like, "Okay, well, what are you gonna do about it?" I'm gonna push the man and I'm gonna give him a boo-boo. And you know, I like that my son at the age of three

already understands like you gotta protect the women in your life. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's important to be a protector.

- And that came out of nowhere. - No way. - Don't get pushed around by the man, by the government now. - Yeah.

- Don't get pushed around by the man. - American spirit. - Yeah, so he's so cute. - Oh, he's so cute, but also I like that he's so protective of his mama.

- I like that too. I also have a violent story, so that's perfect. We didn't plan this. To lose this week is in Nike Camp, basketball camp, and it's a collet camp, but at her age level,

whatever reason, like she was the only girl, like there's some older girls that are there, which I was happy about, so, you know, they can have like girl power lunch together, but when they're playing the scrimmages,

it's like her against boys. And she's really good. But the boys just like mindset at this age, back to born this way in gendered characteristics, it's just a little different.

They just all are like at age eight, like they're naturally more aggressive, like they don't want to pass to our, after all the story before I said my dad, like officially became a me two supporter,

when she came to watch her at like age five or six, when she was the best player on the team, and none of the boys would pass to her,

“and all of a sudden, I think he saw the scoreage of sex”

is the first time for the first time as a grandfather.

And so, I went to watch the scrimmages the first day, so it's coming to New York, and so I went to kind of show her that I was going to see her there, and I just saw that she was getting bullied a little bit. So after Camp invited the neighborhood kids over,

there's a 10-year-old boy and a six-year-old boy, and we played two or two, and it was me and the six-year-old boy against Toulouse and the 10-year-old boy, who's a big kid, and I just started well-faring on them.

You know, like pushing them down, dunking on that, you know, doing, you know, posturizing them, swatting every shot, like really bragging, and she got really mad at me. Like he gets mad, like screaming at me,

like you're a braggar, you're a bully, did it it done, like the six-year-old is like so happy, because he's on my team, and like we're winning. And so he starts bragging, and finally as we get closer, you know,

I start kind of letting off a little bit and then push the judge and they, they start pushing back, you know, 10-year-old boy, I start pushing me to lose started getting physical, you know,

and we won, obviously. But I felt like it was a good parenting life lesson, 'cause at the end, I was like, "That's what you do to those boys." When you go back to Camp out there,

I get out there. I get physical, don't let those boys

“just fucking push you around at Nike Camp, you know,”

girl power, you're stronger, you're better than them, like go do it. And I don't know if it actually worked, so I'll report back the next time we're on on whether this was a useful parenting strategy,

maybe some listeners will let me know that, you know, dunking and blocking and trash, talking, my child is not the right parenting approach, but that's what I went with this week. - Yeah, and what do you think?

- I think pain. - All right, thank you, I appreciate that. When you rather have your kids be the pushed, pushers, then the ones that are getting pushed. - Yeah, I think it's cool.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's fucking like, well, uptown boys, like, you know, thank to their tough. I was like, they look like a nothing. - Yeah, nothing.

- Sounds like we got a letter with Zane, you know, next time they're in the same city. - All right, we probably learned a thing or two. - And we did her birthday up here. I don't know why I didn't see them.

So it was right in New Year's, I don't know what we were busy. - Let's Smith, anything else? Anything else you want to show for? Now we've made it to the very end of the podcast,

- No, I'm just here to show for democratic majority

“in 2026, but it's great to be back here with you, Tim.”

- Hey, man, that's us, we'll see you soon.

Everybody else, we'll be back here of Monday

for Liz Smith's favorite, Bill Crystal.

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