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The president CEO of the Center for American progress. She is domestic policy advisor to Joe Biden. I've worked for a lot of other Democrats. She is not at all polarizing on the internet. You might have heard of our SNERA, SNERA, Tanden.

How are you doing, Nera? I just want to say polarizing means people like you too. Yeah, right, polarizing. Yeah.

I always said that I was a polarizing child with teachers.

I always made this case to my mother. Because she'd be upset. Because she'd go to parent teacher conference. It would be like two teachers that really hate me. I'd be like, yeah, but there are five that really, I'm their favorite.

You know, I just, I'm a polarizing figure. I'm hoping for that same ratio.

“Yeah, I think that feels about right to me.”

Good news for you, good news for listeners. Cause you've had some down or podcast recently. There's a lot of shot in Florida out there today for the Trump administration. I think it's not going great for the Trump administration. Which also means things aren't going great for the American people.

So that part sucks. Yeah, that part sucks. We're going to try to focus on the political side of it and the problems for Trump. And we want to start with, I think, the most joyful element of shot in Florida, and that is Christy Nome and her lover.

Hillary Lewandowski have been expelled from the government. Donald Trump posted yesterday that he has pleased to announce that Mark Wayne Mullen will become U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security. Effective March 31st, it's not actually how things work. You got to be confirmed in the Senate anyway.

He says that Christy Nome who served as well and had numerous inspector results, especially in the better, I'm sorry, on the border, will be moving to special envoy for shield of the Americas. This is a made-up thing that's being announced at Trump's golf club on Saturday. So she gets a made-up job for a Trump's a Darrell.

Totally made-up. I mean, I have to say, like, you can almost tell how made-up something it is by, like, just the title, right? Say, like, the crazier the title, the more made-up it is. And I mean, I have to say, like, I have been in administration where you want to move

someone out of a job and, like, they're basically being fired.

And then you give them something else, but usually it's an actual job. And if you're smart enough, you negotiate for an actual job. And the fact that they've just, like, totally made a shield of the Americas, which is like, I don't even know what that would possibly mean. I guess it's like defending Latin America from Russian attack heroes.

Anyway, just fascinating, just like winter. I'm open to the possibility that Christy wanted that job. You know, gets her away from family, you know, a zoo, going to be in a tropical locale. Yeah, maybe.

Who knows? That's one theory. But she's gone. We can enjoy that. We have, we have finally just just for cricket, her dog.

I want to talk about the negative part of this, which is Marc Wayne Lawon,

“but do you have any other Christy-known grave dancing you want to have probably good about it?”

Well, I mean, look, there's a lot whenever something like this happens. And you know, we should acknowledge this is the first time a cabinet sector. And this is a cabinet made of, you know, multiple people competing for the worst people in their jobs ever. So, but I do think it's the first time he's fired someone. And we should note, like, firing someone for this administration.

Why has he resisted it? Because he believes no one should make him do anything. And everyone has had carte blanche to be as incompetent or as horrifyingly cruel as possible. So, I do think it's important to acknowledge that the political system in some

way of shape or form is impacting Republicans who then have become much more critical of her.

So, we should, you know, a lot of people are like, oh my god, he's so much worse than she is.

But I do think we should all acknowledge there is even victory in her going.

Ice is not changed. The policies did not really come from her, but it is an important thing that the Trump regime needed to act politically and response to political pressure. Yeah. And Republicans did. And this was, I and John Cannon, my senator from Louisiana, who's a phone and a clown.

Like the fact that he felt like he had to be the one to really go at her and put pressure on her. And he publicly said in other settings recently that they'd gone overboard on some of their tactics. And if the Louisiana Republican senator is saying that, like that is a sign that they at least have felt some political pressure in realizing he'd to recalibrate. We'll see how much they actually recalibrate, but yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I agree that. Let's talk about Mark Wayne Mullins. Here's the things to not be excited about about this trade. And he's kind of the male Christie, like they're pretty similar.

“I think, and they're just makeup, SAT score, like the level.”

And they also compete on psychophancy. Like, I mean, he's like, and also the fact that he's named after he has this episode where he comes to the reporters and says, like, you know, the war is going well. And 30 literally 30 seconds later, there's no war. Like, you know, I mean, you know, like we're not talking about like a men's set leader here.

No, it's not a men's a leader.

And he has not been critical of any of the policy's Christie now and put forth.

And just I just want to read a couple of things that he said. Mark Wayne Mullins, after Alex, Freddie died, he called him into range individual who wanted to cause massive damage with a loaded pistol with an extra mag that was completely loaded. Obviously, this is ridiculous. He did not want to charge massive damage. Well, uh, on Renee Good, he said she was interfering with police activity.

There's no question about that. They had the right to defend themselves on the masks. He says the Democrats want reforms because they want to dox the agents. What do you want to do? Expose their faces so you can intimidate their families.

So, you know, he threatened to fight a union head. He once said that he thinks that there'd be less fake news if there would be

duals between reporters and congresspeople like in the old days.

So, you know, we're not pivoting back to a time ridge at the Department of Homeland Security. I mean, look, we're talking about the Trump administration. So, we're like, I don't think we should expect rationality.

“Yeah, I think what's actually a little interesting about this is that the governor of Oklahoma”

is actually a rational, seemingly more rational Republican. And he will get to do it. He's offered substantive critiques on the immigration issue in particular. Which is interesting since he'll be able to put in a temporary senator. We'll see if he puts his money where his mouth is on that.

But it's a little bit of a risk for the Republicans that in theory he could put in a senator for like five or six months that is less crazy. Yeah, he's not going to be timmelor, but maybe maybe that he is sympathetic to some DHS reforms or something. We'll see. I think the thing about this, that's interesting.

And who knows what will happen, you know, is not like I like to like that my house on the ethics and morals of the Republican Party these days. But I do think that it's possible. Governor Stit puts in a, you know, just a more rational Republican who could create some breaks. Not just on immigration, but a whole host of policies.

“And I mean, I think if you're like thinking of the array of buffenary that's just on the field,”

it might be we have one less around us in the situation. So, you know, I try to be optimistic in these very dark times. Here's another optimistic thing. I'll give you another element for optimism. So his confirmation, which still has to happen, I don't think he can decree the date that he comes in.

But as you know, there's a confirmation process. I am familiar with the fact that you need confirmation. Yeah, and a bunch of Republicans and even a couple Democrats did not want to confirm you because you'd said mean things about them. Yes. And so there's an interesting subplot to this,

which is that the chair of the committee that he loves to be confirmed through is Rand Paul. And here's something that Mark Wayne Mullin has said about Rand Paul in the past. I respect Bernie Sanders because he's a socialist. And you know that he's a communist, so you know what you're getting. Rand Paul is a speaking snake and I understand completely why his neighbor did what he did.

The neighbor beat up Rand Paul for people don't remember. I would like to know this is much meaner than anything I've ever said. I'm going to say did you ever share a senator getting their ass kicked physically? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I call Mark Wayne. I mean, I think I called Ted Cruz Voldemort.

But I don't think that this is worse actually. I called up. I think it's, I mean, he's again, he cheered in assault.

We'll see how Rein Paul here. I think that there's at least some possibility that it's not

quite as friendly as a of a confirmation as it could have been had, you know, did one of the other Republicans for whom Mark Wayne Mullin has not supported physical violence against. I mean, it also he could just slow everything down. Yeah. It's like it's a favorite tactic of senators. Rand is not like super excited about the DHS funding bill. This is all happening in that context as well.

In part because of his libertarianness, he's like against most spending bills. It's a little bit less about the principle of the, of the behavior of the agents and all that. But like yeah, it complicates things. Right. Kind of credit to Senator Paul in the aftermath

“of the shooting of killing murder of Alex Freddy. You know, he said, and I think this is”

basically, you know, animated by his concern about federal government,

we almost unlimited power against citizens. You know, he basically said, like he had concerns that the lies of DHS, the lies of Christina, the lies of, you know, the entire White House. Yeah. Really, you know, should make people concerned. I mean, he was one of the senators in the days after that. And like Tom, tell us yesterday or two days ago in the hearings, who said, we could see this video and then we heard you lie about what happened. And, you know,

I mean, I don't, again, don't want to like actually, we've, we've had a lot of disappointments from senators, Republican senators over the last year. But, you know, my own view actually is we are beginning to see more and more cracks in the Republican coalition and the true libertarians recognize that Donald, I mean, who should be most concerned about an authoritarian federal government? It is the libertarians. Right. Unless you are a complete

“hypocrite, you should be very worried about a incredibly armed DHS that is shooting citizens”

on the streets of American cities. And I hope Rand Paul asks, you know, Senator Malun, like some questions about this whole situation. And I'd also just give people more opportunity. I mean, just having this confirmation hearing will give people more opportunity to air all the problems, Democrats, to air all the problems that have happened at DHS. So, I think, you know, I mean, again, I don't want to overstate, but you do see some Republicans who within the blithering

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on top of the 92,000 jobs lost. Also 69,000 in downward revisions from December in January, not nice manufacturing jobs minus 12,000 transportation warehouse minus 11,000 construction minus 11,000. So this was going to be a Renaissance for the forgotten man, blue collar, man doesn't doesn't seem

from the Yoke of work net 19,000 jobs lost since last April. The labor force participation rate has erased all of the gains of the last four years, law inflation advances. It's that.

“Yeah, I think the last point is really crucial. Donald Trump had become president in January.”

And since April, we have not had job gains. And I just want to just remind everybody back in the previous four years, we were averaging about 200,000 jobs created a month. So it is a radical break from what we've been experiencing. In the first Trump administration, it was basically 150,000 on average until we got to COVID. Of course, we go with a big job shock, but then as we came out of COVID, and you know, not just in the immediate aftermath,

but you know, through last year, we were seeing significant job creation across the country and not just in health care, but in manufacturing and jobs kind of throughout various sectors.

And the most important thing is, you know, there aren't like other forces in the

universe. I mean, we have to see what AI is doing, but it's the policies of this administration that are creating headlins for the economy. I mean, people, a big reason why we're seeing these job losses is because Donald Trump decided himself to create a terror regime that just made everything a lot more expensive and made imports into the country to make things more expensive. That's why it's so, you know, that is why we're having a manufacturing problem in the country. It's like

the whole idea of his tariffs were to make, you know, to help us compete and actually they are like a lot of things this guy does, boomeranging into hurting the very people he said he would help, which is working class people. Yeah. And it's like, what's going to get better? Like, that's the big question. It's like, what are we doing? I mean, maybe we'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars on this foreign while get some people to work in like defense contractors,

but what is on the table here to actually improve the economic conditions? This is two point. Yeah. I mean, it was self-inflicted. It was totally self-inflicted. The job losses. And there's no plan. It's not as if that there's this bill going through Congress, like the jobs act where they have a plan or they're going to, you know, support certain industries or cutter ideas. I mean, that's

like just a step back. What I thought was so amazing about the state of the union, which I know

feels like it was seven years ago, but it was really like last week. It was like, it was like, was it really last week? I thought it was two weeks ago, but it wasn't what I mean,

“but now, you know, we're the problem with time. It's like none of us can remember what happened”

last week, because it's like last month. But the thing that I thought was fascinating about the state of the union is, I mean, I've worked on a couple of these. And the idea of the state of the union is that you're supposed to put at ideas about solving problems that compete with the other side. And there was nothing that President wanted to do in Congress, because, you know, basically, I don't think he cares what Congress does. He just wants to do executive actions.

And it really wasn't more an idea there on like, how are you solving the jobs problem? Because he can't admit there is a jobs problem. I mean, his whole problem is he kind of adopted one of the strategies of the Biden administration, which I'm here to tell you, did not work so well. It's, I actually tell people the economy is really awesome. And what is horrifying is right after

they say that got amazing. Awesome. Like the next jobs report is pretty devastating. And he

can't even blame some woke BLS administrator, because he got rid of that person. So anyway,

“exactly. Yeah, I think just like just like looking at a couple of the sectors, right?”

So maybe as is having a fact on this, Derek Thompson, we're talking with this yesterday, but you know, in like the sectors that you would think, you kind of information, services, that's it, you know, I think, it's like minus 11,000 jobs. So it seems like maybe there's an effect in, in these kind of white collar jobs. But like that's just a small piece of this. I mean, like huge losses in hospitality, health care, manufacturing, warehouse, this is not, this is not AI.

This is a really important point. I mean, what is, what is really terrible about this jobs report is that the jobs we're losing are jobs. Again, disproportionately working class people are in manufacturing jobs, hospitality jobs, service jobs. And you're absolutely right. There are areas that we know are most impacted are computer programming, confidential services. And we're not seeing

I assume that's because of crypto. I don't know, it doesn't, they don't break it down. But there's a lot of crypto crime jobs out there. You've got a couple of booming stuff from crypto crime, private prisons. Libraries, you know, just anything involved in libraries, for you, you know, I had an up trajectory these days. So, I mean, I don't even know who's a rational actor in the White House, but the whole thing about serving in government is

“you look at data like this and you have to think about what to do about it and the fact”

that we have this from an economic perspective, the fact that we've launched a Middle East War that is spreading throughout the region and is as like basically shut down the straight of our moves, while increasing gas prices, you're also, and like basically creating a checkpoint on global trade, not particularly helpful to economic growth, I know. Well, let's, let's talk about the economics of the war. Don't get to the rest of it. But just as you mentioned,

so we have from this week since the war started, gas prices up 11% oil prices up 20% so it seems like gas prices are room to grow there. Katherine rampal wrote about this if you want to get economic dorky for us called war flation, so you get some war flation coming. And then a subtext of

this story is Susie Wiles, there's a leak that Susie Wiles got mad. It's so interesting. We've never heard

that Susie Wiles got mad. I mean, we killed American citizens. I don't think you're mad or you're sending people to foreign ghoulogs, not mad, but like mad about gas prices. She's mad. She was yelling

“at them to find ways to lower prices. Apparently, idea number one, because the only thing they've”

done, was the US Treasury East sanctions on Russia and Putin, making now sell oil in into India and other countries in Asia without the same level of sanctions that we'd put on them. So that was the idea one. We're not shocked that their go-to was helping Russia in the war. I spread it personally, just like, I read it. I was like, oh my god, this is so radically different than everything else they do is helping out Vladimir Putin in any in some foreign mistake or form. I mean, just to note

that they are, they are basically easing the sanctions on Russia. Wow, Russia is helping. I ran

target US forces in the war. Why? Because they're allies with Iran. So I just want to, you know, for all the American first people, we are making it easier for Russia to have economic wealth. You know, this is like a whole issue for the economy, whether the sanctions exist on their oil

“and resources. And while they are actively working against our military operations. So, you know,”

very odd, but I guess, you know, one thing that I also want to say about just the utter incompetence of this White House is I don't know about you, but to me, it was kind of predictable that when you started a war with Iran, it might have some pressure on gas prices. I mean, I'm not, I don't have, I don't have anthropic clots as to, like, gaming at Vladimir, but for me, it occurred to me that could happen. And you know, one thing you might do, if you were thinking of having a war with Iran,

it was to ensure your strategic petroleum reserve was actually full. So, if gas prices went off, you would actually have some escape valve to, you know, increase production into the market to ensure that, you know, people were insulated, not this group of cracker-check thinkers. Yeah, they did not fill this strategic petroleum reserve. So, they can't do what governments have done. Like, Republican and Democratic governments, which is when you see an oil shock,

you could actually tap the reserve to mediate the price. Nope, don't have that option, because these geniuses didn't think to actually increase the reserve. So, I mean, this is the problem when having a war in like a weekend. You know, I mean, generally speaking, you plan these things out. You look at various contingencies and you decide to ameliorate kind of the harms. But this group is perfectly fine with all of us paying more for gas,

other than Susie Wells, they seem perfectly fine. No, this means more for gas. We're all paying

for this because it's a billion dollars a year. And they're done in the 15% tariff back on.

Yes, and we're going to pay more tariffs and we're paying higher gas prices. So, so far, lot of cars. It's interesting, you say that about the time, because there's kind of mixed reporting out there. And we've seen some reporting that I've been thinking that they've been planning this for six months and it is truly moved resources after. I mean, over there, on the other hand, there's been some reporting that like BB and Trump had a call, I guess what

have been a week and a half ago now, where they were like, hey, we've got the intelligence on that

opportunity to go. This was not something that was urgent, right? It is not as if there's any reporting. It's like, hey, they're about to shoot a ballistic missile at Maine, right? Like, that was not on the tape, right? So we could have predicted that. You know, if they felt like this was an important strategic imperative, which they haven't really made the case for, but if they felt that way, they could have done it when effort. Like, the only timing constraint here was allegedly like that

there was intelligence provided that they had this opportunity to get these guys on Saturday and so they

went in. But it's like, okay, well, if it's that critical, you know, that you go on the BB

time table here, then like they're going to be these other externalities, like people stuck over the Middle East, like gas prices going up and it doesn't feel like they gave a thought about that.

“Look, I think the record was just a generational disaster, but there was a build-up over a long”

period of time and just think of the differences. Okay, number one, you look at the harms people having. You know, it seems like some of these soldiers were killed that should have had warnings about the war so that they could, you know, basically be protected. Number two, we have, you know, thousands of people in the Middle East stranded. The embassies haven't haven't pulled people out. Usually when we go to war, we pull people out of embassies, you know, that happened before.

And, you know, this strategic prematurely reserve was in field. We didn't engage with our allies really at all in Europe. I mean, I still consider them allies. I know this administration doesn't. But now that those allies are basically on their own choosing to help various sides in this war, I know there's like a lot of kind of important talk about how the military is doing great job degrading Iran and sure. And that is true. And it is an important acknowledge. But the things around this

in my lifetime, the height of support for a military engagement, a war is the days after

the first bombing start going off. The fact that the president has never been able to

make the case as to why we have to do this. And, you know, I'm being a little clip. But at least the Bush administration had the dignity of lying to us. Oh, it was some mass destruction. These people are like, one day it's campaigning, the other day. Now they're like, they were about to bomb us in two weeks. And, you know, that would have been maybe compelling if you said it before the war.

“But you didn't. So I just, is it? We've an updated missive on what the plan is. Are you ready?”

Donald Trump pleaded about this in this morning. Here it is. There will be no deal with Iran except unconditional surrender. After that in the selection of a great and acceptable leader, we and many of our wonderful and allies, or tirelessly to bring Iran back, Iran will have a great future make Iran great again, mega. I mean, we're doing regime change and democracy promotion. And Donald Trump said to Axis, who are his favorite sources for his war planning. So I have

we have to take this at face value that he gets to pick. Yeah. So that's the plan. We're going to bomb the fuck out of him. We're going to bomb a school. We'll get to that next. And we're going to bomb

all the leaders and bomb the second and third tier leaders that we thought we were going to put in.

They're all dead. And now we're just going to say, hey, you guys surrender. I mean, I'm going to make it. Okay. What's like, you know, obviously so much terrifying about this whole situation is it does feel like they thought Iran would be another Venezuela. And Iran has been engaged in essentially, you know, its own version of hot slash cold wars in the Middle East for decades.

“And, you know, it's not like the, I think when Trump came in, they thought their future”

was so safe. So, you know, they've done a range of planning. So they have leaders. I mean, you can take out a bunch of leaders. And there still will be another leader. Like the regime is operational. And, you know, I guess I, I, on top of all of this, the fact that we are relying for the, you know, this war operation on P.D. Higgs-F. I mean, I know that they're generals there with who are thinking rationally about all this. And that's probably why they were leaking last week

that they didn't really want to do this war and definitely leaking the earlier this week that it was essentially the White House who wanted to do all this, that. But I mean, I think we should just be genuinely panicked that they don't seem to have any kind of plan. I mean, I worked in an administration, I've pushed it not. I mean, excuse me, Joe Biden didn't know. Actually, it's dark. Okay. The blast. Oh my god. Now we know what the leftists are going to say about

steering grid of that. It's a protest. I was against in 2006. I got a fight of other thanksgiving

with my mother about that over two thousand six. So three years too late, but okay, better than some of the other public. Yes, that's true. But anyway, I just think the fact that, you know, usually you need discipline talking points on your goal strategy, et cetera, that the fact that there have been seven different aims and goals of this operation since Saturday. So just, you know, one

“more than the days of the week is, you know, I think we should be, you know, a hyper-stressed.”

And I think that's reflected in the fact that the public does not support what's happening. You know, and essentially this is a lowest support of any military engagement that the country has experienced in this early in the process. I'm Teresa and my own and thank you all

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appears to be that it was us. There's a lot of smoke around the fact that maybe this was related to the AI. Because AI was doing the packaging for us. I don't want to make any accusations there. There's among the reporting. There's some evidence pointing to that. You know, look, I got on the one level. This, this is what war is, right? Like innocent people accidentally get killed during war. And innocent people got accidentally killed. We're leaving.

I have to get a stand because the vibe of administration thought that there was a terrorist in a car. You remember the story and they drowned people that were innocent. It's like this happens.

“Like in war, but in this particular case, I think it is, it is especially good all on because of”

all we've been talking about, which is like we don't even know why we're doing this. We don't have a plan for the war. And now it is our American material that resulted in the death of hundreds of innocent young girls. And now we want to go in and tell them that we want to make a, you know, like the whole thing, it is, it's a force. It's like really, I mean, it's wrong and, and it's war crime. It's also a force. I mean, I think this will be an action that, you know, the military will

be living with the consequences of for a long time. And I personally think it will have the kind of impact of allegory. And I was thinking about that too. You know, just, let's say, we were attacked on 9/11. And we, the American military went in with soldiers. They didn't nuclear bomb the mountains of Afghanistan. They went in with soldiers to try to capture places. There were incidents of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, you know, wedding party hit. We did not bomb entire schools of children

during Afghanistan or Iraq. And if you talk to the Iraq and Afghanistan, so there's just a put a word in for them. Like, we'll celebrate history for us and others. Like, they went out of their way to not. Like, it doesn't mean that there weren't a cases of civilian deaths. Like, of course, they were, the plan was, they knew actually killing civilians, made the population much more

oppositional. I mean, with this, just think about this week, Trump is basically telling the Iranians,

you know, rise up against community or the Romanian regime. Community was a horrifying figure, but it's a little hard to, for people to be like super sympathetic to the Americans when they just killed a school full of children. So this is why you do it. I mean, the military goal of avoiding civilian deaths is to ensure that the population does not work against you. And it took America months to pacify Mosul. Why? Because we didn't just bomb the whole area or kill, like,

basically blocked by block in order to not kill so many civilians. And, you know, and just as to remind Pete Hugsett, with all of his rhetoric, we're not going to, like, limit the military anymore. And we're, I mean, just think about what that means. It means things like this are more

“likely to happen. And the fact is that the whole world can see that the United States chose to”

have a war. It was not. It was a war of choice. There was no imminent through the United States. I mean, we want to attack. We want to attack. There's no attack. There's no attack.

They're post-talk rationalization. For all this is like, well, we've been, we've always been at war

with East Asia. You know, it's like, what? You know? But also, it's like, and I said, you know, I mean, just to say, those kids are killed in our name. I mean, that's so horrifying aspect of all this. It's like, I don't sign up for any of this. And what's even worse is, okay, if he even said he was going to have wars and he got elected. Sure. But he told everybody he wasn't going to do things like this and got elected. What is the island of people who are justifying this at this

point? Because, you know, again, nasty deportations. So you could say the guy can't be in on it. But he said he was going to be the peace president and more like on war number 27 in the first year. Yeah. I have a guess on talking about this with the next week who's on the mag aside of this.

But he's like, the people that are for this are kind of like the never-tompers that stayed

Republicans. That's like the opposite side of the coin are for me. Right. You know, it's like the right way of hawks that hated Trump. Like in all the sudden at the Mark Levin's and the Ben Shapiro's and now they're back filling this and they're the only ones for it. Like, it isn't the court Trump folder that was for this. John Bolton is like, peace out on this. I mean, even he's like,

“you know, I mean, I think he's been fantasizing about working the ran for his entire adult life.”

And even he's like, I'm not sure who's sure this is like, well planned. I mean, I think the problem honestly is absolute power corrupts. Like there have been no guard rails on this president because there were public and party in the Supreme Court also made up of Republicans and refused to give him guard rails. He had success in Venezuela. So he kind of decided to just like start a global war. And this is bottom, the reason why you try to find a rational adult to be president of the United

States because when you do not, they have a lot of toys that could really hurt not just America, but like global peace. Yeah. And I do not sleep easily at night knowing these people are in charge of and ever expanding more in the Middle East. You're getting any matter matters. We talk about this. But it's also just a speaks to like, I'm not turning to get you less mad. Yeah, I bet. But it is it is a culture like you talk about how absolute power corrupts, right? But that's where we are.

Like it's a culture of corruption and no accountability. Like this is a thing. There are no limits.

“Like nobody is telling this guy, no. Like nobody tells you, no. And honestly, like you fire”

anybody who's not psychophantic and you spend all your power trying to discipline any institution,

whether it's Netflix and losing out or any other group, then then like the problem is you

don't think I can make mistakes. I mean, I really was generally, you know, a little surprised that he decided to do this because in the past, he has seemed to be constrained by the idea of American soldiers dying overseas. He said it again today. More people die. Whatever. Some of the things are left at the time. Some people die. Some people die. If there's no constraints, if everyone in there has already been so corrupted, right, that they decide to like,

I've signed up for this. This guy, we know this guy is bad, but I'm going in there because I think on balance, I prefer him or because I'm mad, because I'm also, whatever. Like everybody that's going in there made the determination that if you sign up for this, like you're signing up for it all. And so that is created, like a culture that we haven't had in government for a long time. If you mentioned I have a grave, which is horrible and horrifying. But like, there were whistleblowers,

right? I mean, there was whistleblowers within the military. There was to be hanging out against room's felt and felt like that they had to in the policies. And then there were political people that whistleblowers and quit, it's got my clueling quit. And it would be like Carolyn Levitt, quitting. I use a White House spokesperson, he quit over it. Right. And so it doesn't make what happened, and I'm a very better right, but it's a system of trust. Yeah. It's a system of trust.

Yeah. It's a system of trust. Yeah. It's a system of trust that works. That's not happening here. There's no, they're in the lying still. They're not even admitting they killed the girls at the school. Yeah. Like they're still lying about it. I forget having whistleblowers or constraints or internal investigations. They fired all the jacks. We don't even have military lawyers anymore. It's stuck in sight. Look what happened in the first couple of months of this administration. I think

the administration, which has been incompetent in every possible way, has demonstrated policy

eliminate all possible oppositional voices? So that's why they fired a bunch of admirals and generals in the first couple of days. And they've fired a bunch of people. Some of whom were now running for office, but they fired, it basically hatched it, a bunch of military leaders, who I think they thought would offer some opposition and not just go line. And that sends a message to everyone else in the military, which is that if you say anything, you will be fired from your

job. So that's an area where we've had some policy creativity and the other isn't rank corruption,

but the truth is in government, in every administration, when you serve the public, you are supposed

to serve the public. And all of us have served in jobs in the White House, serve in the administration,

“on the executive agencies. You have to ask yourself every day, are you truly serving the public?”

And, you know, I mean, I didn't feel like I had that many conflicts on that, but you know, like when I was serving, but in the first term, there were of the Trump administration. As a new mention in the Bush administration, there are people in government who think, I am a Republican appointee and I am an American who is supposed to serve the country and they're work, when there were conflicts, they chose to be Americans who serve the country. You know, John Kelly, others who

work trying to constrain this president, and he is systematically eliminated everyone. But you know,

you mentioned Susie Wells earlier, and it is her job as White House chief of staff to tell the president he should not or cannot do something for the country. His White House counsel is supposed to not just tell him how he gets to do things, but when he's doing something unconstitutional or illegal, that he should not do it. It is your job not to just service the president's ego, but actually to serve the country. And when people are doing it, when you're the president is doing

something gravely crazy. I mean, how is Mark Urubio escaping any accountability here? He could have gone to the president and told him, this is like, you know, kind of nuts what you're doing. And,

“you know, what we've heard is that he was sort of like, yeah. And so, you know, I mean, I think”

they all just tell themselves he's a president, he's a one who's elected, but you know, they are there in those jobs not to just do his bidding, but like previous administrations serve as some kind of constraint because right now the scariest thing in the world is don't Trump is in charge of like,

you know, essentially whether this war spirals out of control or not. And, and the the first

week does not seem to be any kind of, you know, reassurance. Like, if you, we can't protect American citizens in the Middle East to get out of there. How do we think we're going to handle this war in three weeks, four weeks, five weeks? For six months. But the platform is not a step from me. I have the feeling that Shopify is a platform that can only optimize everything is super simple, integrative and balance. And the time and the

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Of Shopify.de, let's record it. The Democrats could not consider this to be a good midterm or a blue wave unless they also take the Senate. Taking the house is not sufficient. They're going to take the house just because of structural forces almost certainly. The Senate is where the fight is. I've been pretty skeptical of the Senate map for a while. And now you're believing. Now you're believing.

And the economy has me starting to believe a little bit. So I want to talk about a little bit. I want to put the main Senate race over here into a side bucket. And we're going to come back to that at the end. Oh, great. I'm so excited to talk about the main Senate race. Let's talk about it somewhere. I can't wait for that. Let's put this on the rest. As long as possible down. We're going to make it done in the main Senate race.

We can have an extra log podcast if you want to know what the film does for me won't save you.

The Democrats even went four seats three would be okay. The Republicans are still being controlled

but it was kind of put more Cal ski and an interesting pickle. But they really need to win for that four seats. North Carolina is race. We don't talk about that much because the Democrats have been acting competently. They've nominated a popular governor for a governor that fits the state and he's winning in the polls. And we'll see how that shakes up. There are also some states that Democrats need to hold. Yeah, Michigan, Georgia. But in this theory, like we're going to

assume that they've held them or else this is this conversation moved. So now you start to look into the expanded states. Where do you get some other states out of? In Texas, you're the primary this week, Telereco wins over Crockett. I want you to take on that. You look at Alaska is one that I'm looking at. Mary Paltola is a great recruit. Fantastic recruit. Fish family freedom. Fish family freedom. Now you start to get into OK. Ohio, shared browns, a little bit of a retread. Iowa,

candidates are OK. Montana, that comes on to the map this week, which is exciting. Steve Dane's drops out three minutes before the filing, which is an attack on democracy and embarrassing and sick.

And they just they squeak in some guy though. But he's never he's a prosecutor. He's never run

for office. We hasn't been tested. Kurt, all me. The Democrats, it seems like you're going to do the thing that they didn't you talk with Evan McMullin and kind of a line behind an independent candidate. John testers and pushing this guy. He's a former college president. I like the independent candidate thing in theory. I know nothing about this guy. I worry a little bit you know, college is not really that popular these swing voters. And he's a, he's a, he's a veteran.

So yeah, hopefully it's got some other president's vibe. We'll see how that works out. Then you have Nebraska also with an independent and Dan Osborne who's been on this show, interesting candidate. So the map is getting a little bit more interesting. I'm wonder, are you, are you going to want you to take me through what you got your eye on and your thoughts on

“Texas? Well, I, you know, I think the truth is you, as you said you have to win four of Maine,”

North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa, Texas, Alaska. So, you know, Montana, Nebraska. So, basically, you know, you have to win four of those multitudes. And they're all hard. You know, I'm not, I'm not arguing. They're not hard. I guess I would say, you know, you and I have been in a few cycles and our time and a side of a wave is that we're the map goes in the cycle itself. Is it

expanding or contracting? And the fact that you have, I mean, I just think it's amazing Steve

Dan's was like, I'm not running again. And, and it's not just he decided not to run, Ryan Zinky, the house member decided not to run. So, as a lot of Republican incumbents in a state choosing not to run for reelection. And a time where Trump has a 37% approval rating, or 38% in the country, and recently it's higher in Montana. But I think at a very high level, what we're seeing is that reflection of an incumbent president with a below 40, probably a

approval rating. And that means Republicans are, you know, understanding that it's going to be a really tough election cycle. The reason why the Senate matters the most, or not the most, these both matter the house in Senate matters. He needs the Senate to approve any nominees. And the Supreme Court. If you take the Senate or place a leader. Yeah. And if you take the Supreme Court, if you take the Senate, you can you're check on the courts. He won't get radically

“crazy nominees through. And you can just say no to nominees, right? So, so I think it is really”

important to aim for both. And, you know, what I say about the race in Texas, this tolerate goes in incredibly talented person, Jasmine Crocker, also very talented. They're like, and I thought what was great about this is, it was a primary. Did you think that race demonstrated a lot of talent? You know, I think like she came into this race laid and she didn't, like, wasn't able to create a, the kind of campaign that he'd been building for a long time. But, you know, I mean, I

would say, Jasmine Crocker lost Tuesday night. She goes the next day to DHS and has amongst the most effective questioning to the DHS here, and with Christy Nome. And like, you know, that's a woman who was rolling with the punches. That was very, she was really effective. And that's a real striker. You could have solved, could have pouted. And I'd be like, she's also really good at that.

“Yeah, she's going to be good at different other, at different things, you know? Honestly, the fact that”

I've been through primaries, where it's a rough primary and it makes a candidate better. And Jamestell Art goes a better candidate today because he had to go up against Jasmine Crocker. And I personally think this race is in with in reach in John Kornin and Greg Abbott. Greg Abbott is going for his

Kornin, or Paxton. I think both of them have flaws against a candidate with just, you know, a fresh way of speaking. He's like, not been there forever. Who actually is really trying to build a big tent and has a lot of messaging that doesn't just start like yesterday, but over years I'm trying to create, you know, a pathway for Trump voters, Harris voters, Democrats independence and Republicans. I worry just about a little bit of the incentives there. There's so much

attention on it. And you mentioned Fish Family Freedom. I always bring this up. Like Mary Poutola

has no pressure to like appeal to any constituency except for Alaska's like the left writer center. I'm not even really making an ideological point. Like she's just like, I'm going to run this race focused on the Alaska's. I do feel like Tallarico and Crockett because the race has had so much focus on it and there's, you know, like there was this pressure like appeal to various factions and interest groups within the Democratic side. Like when you look at this all the

states like the Montana, Nebraska, I like, I like Tallarico and I hope to talk to him on this and and have him refute this worry. There's a lot of woke posting in 2020 from him with some weird stuff, you know, about white skin and having a virus and you know, it's just like, it's just the way he was talking about it. It's just not really the way that they're talking about it in Midland as all. And I'm just trying to win a Texas center race. And I just I do worry a

little bit like these races to get caught up in the discourse. It's like candidates are really on the left are really trying to appeal to the people tweeting at them and like rather than trying to appeal to the 58 year old that didn't go to college that is the swing voter in these red states. I don't think that they're part of a discourse. Well, first of all, I would say I think it is

“really important for people to remember that working class people care a lot about higher costs.”

So I guess to just pull back, I think a real opportunity in these Senate races and for Democrats

writ large is we have never had a president who has just screwed over working class people as much

as Donald Trump. I mean, like there's Ronald Reagan, George Bush, nobody, none of them took healthcare away from 20 million working people. Okay. None of them added basically a tax increase physically a version of a national sales tax on everybody and who pays the tariffs disproportionately working class people. So I think at a very high level, there is an area of opportunity to kind of realign voters. And you're seeing who are the groups that have fallen away from Trump. I mean,

people have talked a lot about Latinos. They've also talked a lot about young people, young men, but like really struggling working class people and people making less than 30,000 are moving

“away from him as well. And I think that's an area of opportunity. What's important for people to remember”

is that working class people actually care a lot about security. They care about reducing crime because working class people experience it at a higher rate than college-educated people. They care about they still care about the border. I'm with you and all this. Is this part of the fellow buster to get away? No, no, I didn't actually a cap promotion, which is it as why? Is there a record record? I love promoting cap. I love promoting cap. I love promoting cap. But for an idea, that I hope,

we also have to offer ideas on how do we secure the border? And secure the border? Well, not having

a DJs. You know, you could basically secure the border without threatening everyone's rights.

That's an area of opportunity for him to talk about. We can reduce crime without mass incarceration.

“So, I think it's important for them to have ideas in those spaces. And I think James Fellerick,”

look, we've seen candidates recently. You know, in various places who are charismatic, who can, you know, kind of show away from past positions. And I think he needs to explain his views. And then, you know, early and often. And I have a lot of confidence in his ability to communicate. American Progress.org. People can go look at those policies. And you have a great corruption tracker, as well. I feel a little stuck up before we get to the main.

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me as the former Republican being like, I think some of these nitpicks of Platiners

visits to these podcasts and red at posts. Like, they just, they feel a little, they feel like nitpick you to me. And I have people on the internet telling me they're like, he's a Nazi. He isn't Nazi, but I'm like, does anybody actually think Grand Platiners are Nazi? Does anybody think the Grand Platiners want to put people on it? I'm just going to make my point. No, does anybody think that they want to put people on concentration camps now? Does anybody think

if he gets an assentant, he would want advanced policies that hurt Jews or that due to Jews, what this administration is doing to Palestinian activists or Venezuela, there's a smell like, like, of course not, like, of course not. So now, does that excuse? So I kids pass comments

like, no, like, we should talk about that. But I just, I get a little bit frustrated with that,

but like, there's a little bit of, well, you're kind of strumming the, the, the, the, the, I'm not really here. Let me, I just want to say at the beginning of this, any discussion of this, I will love whoever the people of Maine pick. Okay, is really important to take this race and who ever people pick, I am like a thousand percent supportive of. So don't really want to say much here to like, that could be used against anybody in the future. I invite anybody,

but I guess I'd say at a very high level, you know, I take seriously the idea that the Democratic

“party is very focused on racism, sexism, and homophobia, and I think we should be sensitive to”

any concerns about anti-Semitism. That doesn't mean that anything that's happened here is Hitler,

or Nazi ask, or anything like that, but I think you could have like a safe, you're like, it's a safe

thing to say that was really not great. Okay, and not say this person is Nazi. Okay, like, I think there's a reasonable place to say, I have some concerns, and maybe you could say, like, sometimes we sort of go on the off on the, like, we're too nitpicky, but I, I guess, from my perspective, I think it's reasonable to say, hey, that stuff was not so great. I would also say, you know, anything that's fascinating about this race, which I will, like, really like to avoid talking about,

but if you actually look at the coalition behind Janet Mills, Graham Flanner, the funniest I need of me, not a funny, but like the people who are supporting, like at very high levels, Graham Flanner, are people who are making like over $100,000 in Maine. She's doing better with working less people. He's doing better with the college-educated people who think that he's working less people like him. You know, I mean, I just think this is like a funny aspect of all of this. Hopefully not work.

I'm glad you brought that up. Okay, great. I want to go through the cross-stabs now.

“I have 20 more minutes worth of talking about this race before. It isn't this deep irony, right?”

That Graham Flanner is appealing to, like, Colby College graduates that the people were like, this is what we can class people want, right, and God. And meanwhile, me as the former Republican is defending the last yesterday, you are defending the 79-year-old centers that you think I'd be for, I just wish we had another choice. I wish that we would have had somebody that was not either 70-9. But yeah, and so this is the problem of politics. Unfortunately, we don't.

The choices are Susan Collins, who is supporting his funding, the terrorizing of brown people under state. And I guess this is what I just keep coming back to on Platon, or why I just want to keep picking this fight with people is like, if you show me, if you show me, I get to know to my point. It's like, if you show me that he wants to do something like that, then I'm against him as I'll be, I'll be at the front of the line, being like, fuck you. But I just, you know,

you're a choice right now, isn't between Graham Platon and Susan Collins. You know, the fact that you're like, well, you're a choice, it's Susan Collins. Well, you're a choice of things. So, by the year '79, your old that might come to the call. And you, honestly, I should be 85 at the end of her term. It's crazy. It's a crazy run. As Susan Collins is 76 in Janet Mills. Well, it's crazy.

“I've earned her, I've earned her. That's why I want the beer guy to get back here. Why can't”

the beer guy get back here? And I just want to normal 45-year-old Democrats. Can I just, why can't I have that? Unfortunately, I can't. These are the options, I guess. I think the thing to think about is what is the case, Susan Collins is going to prosecute against Janet Mills and what is she going to prosecute against Graham Platon? And is she going to prosecute a case that Janet Mills is too old when she's three years older? Maybe she will. I don't know. That's like a great

she could. Like, you know, she's a wily. I mean, the only thing I'd see in the video is probably she'll probably prosecute against Taylor Swift. They're ace will be she's pro-trains. Yes, and they're both very pro-trains. It's one of his claims to film. And it is like a very decent thing that he was defending. Well, I've got to where he is talking about how he was wrestling against girls in high school 20 years ago. Now you're just, you're definitely way more into

for everyone to think about. And you know, again, I will love and campaign or whatever or not

campaign, whatever is helpful for whoever wins. Sometimes keeping Mira out is better. Uh, you love that. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's like maybe in Florida.

“But anyway, um, you know, I, you know, I think that's the thing to think about that race. And”

I just know, I don't either. This is why it's interesting to talk about. It's frustrating to talk about and people don't like it. The one thing I would say about this race is like, I know the Democratic Party is definitely like, and I like, I get it 100%. Like, definitely not down with the olds. Okay. But I have no problem with old people. She's going to be 85 at the end of it. The main is pretty. Main is pretty old. Yeah. Pretty old. You know, and that's a good idea.

Like, the great issue with the Democratic Party is just like the DSCC. Like, why are we?

Anyway, whatever. We are when we are. Yeah. We are when we are. I mean, I mean, shouldn't we talk more about it? It's fun to talk about it. It's not really fun to talk about it because everybody gets very mad no matter what your opinion is about it. It's a lot of high emotions about a state that almost nobody lives in or better has been to. The geometers are very passionate about it. There are people who I greatly respect who are in Maine who are like,

this is the candidate, green platter. And like, maybe they're right.

“Sadly, it's a very important race. And that is, I guess, why I just wanted to mention that.”

Yeah. That's the thing. We wouldn't even talk about this. If this was a primary and Florida, whatever, like, who cares, they're probably not going to need to try and win the race. But like, they're not going to have to win. So figuring out who's strong. They're pretty cool. But just also, you know, like in 2020, that was a very tough race. She won by accounts, by 10 points against a very well funded opponent. So this is like important to think about

every aspect of that race. We're way over, but I have a final thing I want to give you a not about Grandplatter. There was an investigation. The administration keeps looking into new people that are trying to jail people. They wanted to jail Obama. They wanted to jail Tim Walson, Jacob Fry. They wanted to jail Jim Kome, and they wanted to jail Tish James. They wanted to jail the Sandwich guy. They're struggling to jail their political foes. Another person people thing that they

wanted to jail was Joe Biden and the odd of Penn. And anyone who worked alongside the odd of Penn. Yeah. And that investigation seems to be fizzling. And I'm just wondering, if you can talk with us, if you're concerned at all, if you're concerned having a being in the administration, do you think that are you shaking in your boots thinking about Pam Bondi and Judge Box of Wine coming for potentially you and other auto Penn related staffers? Yeah. So I should say to everyone,

I was stepsick Dury and I oversaw the auto pad. And the mission board and aspect of this, which I told the House Oversight Committee that asked me about it last summer, is every time I authorize use of the auto pen and any kind of decision I had a memo signed off by the president for that. Now my suspicion, since the only president I'm familiar with, who has denied he knew anything about a decision that an auto pen was just used for, was Donald Trump himself,

last spring. There was a tariff action that was taken and it was taken at like Friday at five auto pen when used. I assume it was an auto pen and not a signature would be more worrying. It was a sexual signature and he could remember he did it like and he said he didn't know anything. They also did this with a pardon, with the pardon of the president. Yeah. Yes, he did do that. That there was an actual auto pen used for this or signature for this. And so my suspicion

is that it occurred to the people at the actual prosecutors that the only person that we know in America has had auto pen used without their awareness as president was Donald J. Trump. So I have not been quickening in my boots because I would feel perfectly happy to make that case to anyone in America. And there's no aspect of what I did at Steph's secretary or anything in which I acted it anyway without the president's full knowledge. And we actually talked to the

president about things we do and stuff like that. So I never, you know, I felt I've never

“clicked in my boots on this. So you think that you and the pen will continue to walk free?”

Yeah, I mean, it's funny. I feel like it's almost good honestly because there's all these crazy wacky conspiracy theories. And I, yeah, I kind of think honestly it's actually better when there are DOJ. Now I'm going to like induce them to prosecute me. But if it like when their DOJ is like we, we can't find evidence, you know, like that. It's like it's pretty good for the likes of

struggling on their effort for political revenge. I appreciate you very much. Thanks for being on the show.

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