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“Next, we're getting to some heavy matters.”
You're speaking to a pastor, and I feel like I've got the presence of God with me. I don't want to be a sinner, and I don't want to completely give into my worst impulses of mocking my neighbor.
I decided to keep this little section where I'm going to get to the top without Rafael Warnock and Ball, so I can do it free of any lingering Catholic guilt. Nancy Mace, don't know if you saw it. Lost last night in her South Carolina race for governor.
I'm going to go through for you the final election results here in the South Carolina governor's race. There was some other elections last night, which we've talked about. Platinum wins in Maine.
Unfortunately, when Zgram avoids a runoff in the Senate, it really really catches my eyes, this is governor's results. So if you hadn't seen it stick with me here,
because it might take a second to get to Nancy.
First place, advancing to the runoff, Lieutenant Governor Pamela Avet, she received 28.9% of the vote, which is kind of embarrassment for Trump as well. While we're adding embarrassment to this,
Trump endorsed her, and couldn't even get her to a third of the vote. She almost loses that first round. Alan Wilson, who Nancy Mace accused of being a pedophile protector, he ends up at 26%.
unclear if that's because the voters' South Carolina did not believe. Nancy Mace's attacks on Alan Wilson, or whether South Carolina Republican primary voters are in the pedophile protectors now,
“since that's what the president's doing.”
I'm not sure why it was that he did so well, but there it is, 26% for Alan Wilson. Ralph Norman, insurrectionist Ralph Norman turned Nicky Haley endorser, in the 24 primary, strange character.
He finishes at 17%. So I think that's important to note. Somebody that endorsed against Trump,
in the 2024 primary, third place, 17%.
A man named Ram Ready, ROM. It's a strange name. ROM Ready, it's a weird looking fella. I can't lie.
I don't know anything about Ram Ready. I can't give you one fun fact about him. He got 14.2% fourth place. Coming in in fifth place, Congresswoman Nancy Mace,
12.1% of the vote. Fifth place. Many people on social media noted that was the same place that anti-trans activist Riley Gaines finished and we meet that started her career as somebody
whose number one issue is making sure that trans girls can't participate in women's sports, because it was unfair to her. As somebody who tied for fifth place in a meet, that she did not get fifth place as a stand-alone.
That's what Riley Gaines wanted. Her and Nancy now have this in common. They are both singularly focused on checking the genitals of middle school sports athletes, and they've both finished fifth place,
and they're most significant campaigns. So it's nice that they have that bond together. Do have to note the deliciousness of this. As happy as I am about it, I'm not sure there's anybody happier
than Delaware Congresswoman Sarah McBride who has been the victim/target of Nancy Mace's smears and slurs and Nancy's repeated comments about how Sarah should not be able to go into women's restroom
and how she feels at risk, because of it, et cetera. We had Sarah McBride issues at our free and free event. I also interviewed her subsequently on the pod, the best, she's great, and tried to bait her into going after Nancy,
but she's being a respectful leader, you know, and demurred.
Little slie remarks about how Nancy would never say anything
That to her face, which I think was funny.
All of these tough mega-guys and gals,
you know, are really aggressive keyboard warriors, but when it comes to actually, you know, confronting someone and being a grown-up, and Raphael Warnock did to Mike Johnson, we could end up at,
they don't have the gumshen for that, they don't have the ovaries for that. I think that if you're Sarah McBride, you're like, you get one kind of pass. One night, on the night that Nancy Mace finishes
in fifth place and her race, we get one chance to kind of revel in it.
“And I think that we can all just kind of give her a hall pass”
on that more than a hall pass, we can all, maybe just enjoy it together,
just have a little sweet treat together.
So I'm going to play for you, Sarah McBride last night, who actually had me on stage at a equality event while the results were coming in, and let's take a listen to what she had to say. Mike Holly and Congress's top-athroom sheriff, Nancy Mace,
sits on the ballot. (audience cheering) And well, not all of the votes have been counted yet, she is in a respectful sense of place. (audience cheering)
(audience cheering) I know what, I'm like punching down, and I believe in the politics of grace. So all I will say is, have you pride Nancy?
(audience cheering)
“Bathroom Sheriff, the head bath of get her a badge,”
getting Nancy Mace a badge. She's not going to be a Congresswoman for long, and she's not going to be the governor. And so she could get one of those, kind of like children's sheriff badges,
say bathroom sheriff on it. And that can replace her congressional pin, and she can walk around South Carolina, monitoring bathrooms at Talbot's for kids stores, and youth baseball games,
and at a water parks. Might be a good job for Nancy Mace. The other funny thing about Nancy Mace is not just about the trans stuff. Nancy Mace ran the most ridiculous campaign imaginable, and there is this rule of thumb we've all been playing by,
which is that the Republican primary voters want to vote for the craziest son of the bitch in the race. So it's Thomas Massey's coinage. All great aferisms though, such as that, have an exception to prove the role.
And it turns out the crazy Nancy Mace's the exception of the proves the role. She is too crazy even for the Republican primary voters. She ran on a campaign of blocking Sharia law from coming into South Carolina. And it's like there are nine Muslims in South Carolina.
Nobody was worried that Sharia law was going to be taking over the state.
“She offered, I think probably the stupidest tax policy”
that I've ever heard saying that only elderly people should not pay property taxes. This was a last-ditch effort to win over the old, the vote in Republican primaries. So like, you know, hey, if you're a recent college grad
living in Charleston or Columbia, and you know, you've had a couple of jobs. You saved up enough money.
You're going to buy your first home,
a little starter home. You've got to pay property taxes, but the boomer, who's watched their 401k go up 200% while they've, you know, had four weeks of vacation.
And they've got a pension, they're sitting on their ass, you know, out in their McMansion that only has three rooms that they use out of 12. That person doesn't have to pay property taxes. That was Nancy Mace's proposal.
Honestly, the stupidest, most insulting tax proposal I've ever heard. So, you know, there's that Sharia law. There's just her disgusting behavior. The nastiness with which she treated her colleagues,
her willingness to just be totally shameless and sucking up to Donald Trump. She's been a scourge on the Congress, and she would've been a scourge on the state of South Carolina State,
that I still do have some affinity for. And so, she will not be the Palmetto Rose and the governor's mansion. We'll head to a runoff between Alan Wilson and Pamela of that. We'll keep an eye on that.
But I just wanted to wish a happy trails to Nancy Mace. You will not be missed. We hope you disappear into the ether of news-nation panels or, I don't know,
you know, going on Swingers boat cruises where you may or may not contract a virus that RFK stopped doing research into preventing.
Godspeed to you, Nancy Mace.
Very delicious.
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How you doing, Senator? I'm great. Good to see you. Great to be with you. Man, thank you.
Welcome to the show. We want to do this for a minute. We're going to do some god talks and book talk at the end of a pod. You know, maybe take me to church a little bit.
But we got to do a little news first.
If that's all right. So yesterday, the president put out a post saying that he was actually moving up the timeline for Bill Polty to be the director of National Intelligence.
Polty obviously has no experience for this. No background. He was like a maga scam artist before taking over the housing group inside the administration where they were going after people
based on their mortgages. If they're opposed to the president, what should you make of that? And there's been a lot of pushback in the Senate against the president
on this nomination. And not only is he not pulling back on Polty, step it on the gas, trying to move it up 11 days. Yeah.
I don't know what the president is thinking. Bull Polty is a nonstarter. Full stop. You know, someone who represents the people of Georgia, Fullton County.
I'm deeply troubled by the prospect of Bill Polty having his hands on our national intelligence. You know, the full accounting board of elections was rated by the Trump administration.
It was an FBI raid, but for some, you know, the DNI was there. Tulsi Gabbard. Polty is already demonstrated that he's more than willing to lie.
More than willing to engage in scandalous behavior, at best to try to be a smurched reputation of whoever Trump perceives to be his enemies. And so that should be deeply concerning for all Americans,
because that's Democrats and Republicans. So I don't know what the president is thinking just in practical terms. In terms of his agenda, we are in the midst of debating
the Pfizer legislation right now. That legislation cannot pass without some democratic votes. And I don't see how he gets how he has a shot with Polty being the fly in the end of it.
Yeah, and I guess it seems to me that he cares more about having a hatchet man of DNI than he does about Pfizer. You know, because this was really, some of the biggest pushback we've seen
from a bipartisan group of senators, you know, saying that they're not going to go forward with Pfizer and his response to that was, okay, well, we're just going to put him in earlier.
Exactly. I looked at this appointment when it was announced a few days ago. And I said to myself, is there any part, any part?
I've done a Trump's job that he takes seriously.
These are matters of national intelligence.
The man is unqualified.
He knows nothing about national intelligence.
And, you know, apparently, one of the qualifications for appointments to the Trump administration
“is that you have to be wholly unqualified.”
So that would be ped-access, that would be RFK. We would go on and on. But we're talking about national security. We're talking about the nation's national security.
And that serious business. There are enemies that want to hurt us who want to kill Americans. And, you know, the same problem that we face
in a way with the CDC is what we're facing with this administration in this sense that our national intelligence agencies
can take the CDC off and protect us
from things that would harm us that we never see. Whether we're talking about bugs and viruses, CDC has been attacked by this administration. Or adversaries who would love to do us harm
and most Americans don't think about it every day because you don't get much credit for the things that others will working and whose job it is to stay up at night worrying about these things are holding at bay.
Now, let me be really clear. There's some issues with Pfizer, that there's some reform that needs to be happening. And we need to be engaged in that debate right now in a full some way.
Like, because it's really about how do you balance
“security on the one hand and civil liberties on the other?”
And those are issues that I take very seriously.
And I wish we were having a robust debate about that in the Senate right now. And then the Congress, rather than having to be aggravated and distracted by a ridiculous nomination
of the likes of Bill Pulton. Do you have a sense for what they're trying to do in Fulton County? Like, I mean, at this point, you had an additional oversight or information. I mean, why was Tulsi there?
I do a sense for what kind of shenanigans Bill Pulton could get up to, you know, with regards to the elections? Donald Trump knows he can't win. He knows that the American people are not buying what he sell it.
As a candidate, he said he was more into keep us out of wars and lower our costs. He's done the exact opposite. Regardless of your politics, you got to acknowledge that what we're witnessing is the exact opposite.
We are in yet another war in the Middle East with no apparent endgame, no clear objectives. This president has ordered more attacks on more nations than any president in modern American history. And meanwhile, Jordan's are standing at the gas pump today,
wondering why is it costing so much of their income just to be able to get them around in their cars and then to go to grocery stores where they can't afford the groceries. So, you know, what is he up to in Fulton County? What he's up to the same thing.
He's up to in the whole country. He's trying to cast doubt on the coming election, which he knows he is on target to lose by continuing to besmirch an election that happened six years ago. Think about that.
They went to Fulton County to smash windows if you will smash and grab ballots from 2020. Some of the folks who were elected in that election are no longer even in office. And, you know, apparently my election
and John Osso's election and Joe Biden's election was a fraud and on the same ballot, the members of the Georgia congressional delegation, most of whom are Republican, I guess there was no fraud in that part of ballot
and fraud on our, I mean, explain it to me. It doesn't make sense, which is why he, you know, he stormed off the other day when a journalist on meet the press.
I went curious to try to challenge him on this issue. He's trying to muddy up the election and sow the seeds and seed the ground
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That they kicked off. I'm going to then culminate with the Kalei ruling a little bit ago now. We've seen changes in Louisiana, where I live, the canceled people's votes.
I don't have a new election with new districts to get rid of one black representative, like the Cleo Fields and Tennessee. They made changes. So Memphis doesn't have representation in Alabama.
They made changes in Georgia where you're at. I guess it's next week. They're going to start their special session to look into a jerry mandor for looking at head to 2028. I wonder where your head is at now today.
Now that the dust is settled on this,
“on the best way to fight back against this effort”
to attain our elections from the White House in the Supreme Court. Let's be really clear. The Kalei decision, what the Supreme Court did the other day, is a devastating and deeply consequential blow to our entire election system.
Donald Trump to be sure and real sense started this fire by calling into Texas and saying, "I need five more seats." And that's how this episode at least of jerry mandoring began. And then the Supreme Court poured fuel on the fire.
And as a result of that, we're seeing Louisiana, we're seeing other states, Alabama, and the middle of elections. Busy trying to Jimmy rigged the outcome of the election,
trying to give politicians a loud voice than the voters during an election. Literally turning our democratic system on its head, so that rather than the voters picking their representatives, politicians are busy trying to pick their voters.
That's what jerry mandoring is. I have a bill that would ban jerry mandoring. I support what Kalei thought you did. I support what Virginia did. And because we can't as Democrats,
we can't afford to unilaterally disarm.
“I think we've got to not just win this election.”
We've got to save our dog on democracy. And so in light of that, we can't unilaterally disarm. But I would support banning partisan jerry mandoring all together. I think the democracy would be much better off.
I have a bill to do that. So far, I've had no Republican takers. If folks are watching this, and they don't like seeing this race to the bottom, we can end this tomorrow.
But I've been speaking to my Republican friends. I actually said to the speaker in the house yesterday when he and I had a private meeting. Hey, Mr. Speaker, why don't you join me in this anti-jerry mandoring bill.
So far, no takers. No takers.
I want to come back to that meeting in a second.
I'm just wondering though, okay, so they're not going to play by the rules. We know that. They're trying to rig the system. They don't care.
They'd be happy for there to be no majority minority districts in the south. Like that this is not a value to the Republicans at all. And so, okay, what are the tools that disposal? You mentioned California and Virginia fighting back.
Another one is it's just galvanizing people. You know, pushing back with people power, turn out in the next election. You know, trying to make uses against them and places where there's a backlash, where more people might tend to want to be more conservative, but they don't want to rip away all the black representation in the south.
People don't want to go back to 1964 in the country. Some people don't.
“Where does the energy come from to to change something?”
Before this midterm or as we look forward to 28. No, we should be very clear. This is Jim Crow in new clothes. This is a move thanks to the Supreme Court. Thanks to partisan politicians who are only focused in getting an advantage. They're busy trying to move the south.
And it breaks my heart on the child of the south, representing the south. They're trying to move us back to the darkest days in our country's history. When, you know, there was no representation of black people. No black representation in Congress. And they're going after these districts.
And when people ask me, you know, what the Supreme Court, let me just say what the Supreme Court did was deeply intellectually dishonest.
They basically said not only to folks in terms of congressional districts,
but even local races that you can engage in your mandarin.
Just say that it's not about race.
Just give us another explanation.
“And the owners is on the other folks who are petitioning to prove what's in your mind.”
And it's deeply dishonest because the racial lines and the partisan lines in the south, particularly sadly, they're not the exact same lines. But there's a lot of continuity between those two things. For obvious reasons when President Johnson passed a civil rights bill in the law, he said, "I'm sorry that I had probably signed the south over to the Republicans for a very long time."
And sure enough, the Dixie Crats of Old and the Old Democratic Party went to the Republican Party. And there were a lot of black Republicans, including Dr. King's own father, pastor of the church tonight, now lead. Daddy King became a Democrat. And so there's a history to this.
And the idea that you can disaggregate race from partisanship in the south,
when race was at the center of the thing in the first place and continues to be,
is deeply dishonest. So what we've got to do in this moment, because it's not just about black voters, it's really about our whole coalition. It's about this new, multi-racial, multi-generational American electorate that they're trying to stop at the corner.
We're talking about women voters. They'll try to pass to save that, which would disproportionately hurt women. We're talking about Citizens United, that squeeze the voices of ordinary people out of their election gives corporate entities an outsized voice in our politics. And we're seeing the direct result of that is more and more wealth is concentrated
at the top in our country. And so this is really about saving the voices of ordinary people. Black people, brown voters, young people, poor working class people.
Women, it's about having representation that looks like America.
And so part of what we've got to do is we've got to beat back against those who would try to so demoralize us who would try to weaponize despair in such a way that people don't even bother to show up and help voters to understand that that you've got to fight for your democracy.
“Now you must show up more now than ever.”
Yeah, let's talk about that despair. I mean, you mentioned the LBJ, the quote I pulled out the quote was, "I think we just delivered the south to the Republican Party for a long time to come." I don't even know if LBJ would have believed you if you said, "Yeah, 20, 26."
I mean, 60 plus years later, not only did you deliver the south to the Republicans, but they're still trafficking in this same race-based, divisive politics in order to grab hold on the south. And I think that would have even surprised him.
In your book and introduction, you wrote this,
"I find that I must labor assiduously just to beat back the shadows of despair, lurking in my own heart." And I assume you wrote that before, Coliseum takes a while for book to come out. And I just, that's pretty striking. Like labor assiduously to beat back the shadows of despair.
I imagine a lot of our viewers and listeners can relate to that. And I go through times of despair.
“And you got to get up every day and actually work.”
And I'm just wondering if you'd have talked about what that looks like. How are you laboring to beat that back? Well, you know, we shouldn't show you a code. This is a dark moment in our country. It really is.
And we're fighting to hold on to the best in the American story. A story that I'm deeply committed to. I love my country. That's why I do this work. But we've been at this a long time.
And it's ironic that as we approach the 250th birthday of the American, it's grand experiment in democracy. We're fighting just to hold on to that idea. And we literally have an administration that is at war with diversity, which is at the core of the American experiment.
E. Purpose only out of many one. That's who we are. We've had to fight to get there. And I have to tell you as I move around. Every now and then I literally have people.
Some folks have pulled me out of a parade that I was walking in. And they're literally grabbing me by my lapel is that, please save us. Please save us. And what I say to those citizens is,
I'm going to do everything I can to fight for you. Because, you know, I'm inspired by. By leaders, some of whom we're still with us. You know, I live in Atlanta. So I walk among the giants of the civil rights movement.
And the young is my friend and my mentor. John Lewis was my parishioner. I know that there are folks who came before us. Who didn't have any reason to believe that they could win. And so what I say to those citizens who say to me, please save us.
I'm going to fight for you. But you don't get to outsource democracy.
All of us have to fight.
And the good news is that the tools I do believe,
the tools in our democratic experiment. If we have citizens of courage who are willing to wield them, showing up to vote, protest, raising your voice, engaged in the system. That the way to fight this assault is to expand the margins of the democracy,
even as they are trying to contract them. And this midterm election is an important moment in that struggle. But we can't wait until November. We've got to be engaged in the fight right now. Do you talk to those civil rights leaders that came before you about your,
“about that personal quest to that personal challenge?”
Like how you deal with lack of beliefs, to things for you better? I mean, they all had to go through that, right? I assume they felt like the things weren't ever going to get better. Well, you know, right after the civil rights bill was passed into law,
Dr. King and other members of his staff went to see President Johnson, Andy Young told me the story. And he said that they walked in the office and the president, of course, was a brilliant and joyful that they passed the civil rights bill in the law, and Dr. King said, Great, we passed that bill in the law.
Wonderful. I need a voting rights law. Like he didn't skip a beat. I need voting rights. My people cannot vote.
And if you can't vote, you're not a citizen. Fifteenth Amendment had passed. Remember a hundred years earlier.
“So folks who say, well, who stop and you from voting?”
They just, you're ignoring our history. Like people had to write the vote on paper. When the fifteenth Amendment was passed, a hundred years before civil rights movement. But they couldn't vote.
And so Dr. King said, My people can't vote. And the president began to say, Well, I hear what you're saying, Dr. King, but I can't get that done right now. I don't have the power to do it. They left a meeting, and the staff was feeling demoralized,
and feeling dejective. And they said, Dr. King, what are we going to do? The president of the United States said that he didn't have the power right now. Didn't have the power to get us the franchise. And Dr. King looked at them and he said, Well, if the president doesn't have the power,
I guess we're going to have to go to the south and get himself. Here he is an ordinary citizen. I want you to think about that. No ordinary citizen. He doesn't hold an office.
He's not a United States senator. He's the pastor of a little church on Auburn Avenue.
And he said, If the president, the most powerful man on the planet,
doesn't have the power to get us our votes, we're going to go and get him something. And so when you see John Lewis and Jose Williams crossing that Edmund Pettis Bridge with brute force under the color of law on the other side. And they keep on walking.
They're literally answering President Johnson's question. They're going to get the president's power to create the context for the change that they want to see in the world. And I'm sitting here as a result of that. And so their moments when I do have to push back against the spare,
but I refuse to give into those who are trying to weaponize the spare, the way you respond as you keep walking. The thing that I worry about and you know, I recognize this is like a white guy podcast or this is kind of an unfair question to put it on black folks to have to fight for their own rights again after all this time.
But you look at it and it just like is like the reality of our political situation. Like some people have succumbed to despair. And like you look at the 2024 election and you know, turn out was higher among obviously Trump's base among white voters. Black men younger black men in particular voted at a higher rate for Trump than they had in
the past. And so now we're in the middle of the civil rights fight. And it's like how do you engage with those voters to the Democrats lost? And John Faber, you're on the Pods of America day. He asked you about this question.
I thought it was interesting that the first thing that you said was,
like talking to young black men, you basically just said that the fighting against sexism and four women's rights doesn't mean that you're not fighting for young men, right? Like you can do both. And the fact that you started with that made me wonder if like you think that that is part of the problem
where basically younger black men like don't feel like the Democrats like care about them and are fighting for them. Is that, is that a challenge you think in trying to get people back motivated? You know, or is this something else?
“I think that you have to meet voters where they are.”
And talk directly to them and language that they can see themselves in the conversation. You know, I still return to my pulpit every Sunday morning. I passed revenues of church and back in days when I had more time. I used to teach midweek Bible study. I was holding Bible studies and car washes around the corner from the church.
I was creating a barber shop at my church and inviting men to come
Then we'd have conversations there in places that they frequent.
But then people have to see themselves in the conversation.
And I just think that that where black men are concerned where ordinary, just not just black men, young men, voters and general ordinary people.
“I think sometimes people around the beltway get caught up in a kind of vocabulary”
and we have talking and which is why I go to my pulpit every Sunday and go back to my community because you can you can, you know, your intention, I think our policies are good. I think our policies are certainly better than the other side. But men who are just trying to figure out how am I going to be able to afford my life?
How am I going to take care of my children? Like me and what other people want? What's the path to a prosperous life? Where I can just not get by but thrive and my family can do well. And I can have the dignity that comes with work and work that pays a livable wage and allows me to retire with dignity and be able to go to the doctor or send my kids
to the doctor when they need to go to the doctor. I think in some ways our party has become so captive to corporate interests that people need to see us putting forward more,
“I think bolder plans around these issues.”
And they need to hear us fighting for them. And we need to be talking to the people we report to represent, which is why I return to my community every week. You know, in the black church, the preacher just talking is calling response. They talk back to me and it's in that give and take that I figure out what ought to be saying
and what ought to be doing. It's good. It started the book. You learned me something about how that works and black church. It's essentially, if they agree, it's an amen. If you don't agree but I'm sticking with you, it's a Lord helped me. And I'm a little bit Lord helped me on that answer actually.
And I want to talk to you about why. Because I feel like you're at the middle of this, of like these two groups that like Democrats are struggling with. Right? Like, I just mentioned the younger black men, but also people of faith, like Democrats, have lost ground with religious voters
and sometimes you said that you think the policies are right. I'm not going to argue with that.
I think the problem is that the difference is.
And I'm not focused. And I'm not big enough. Well, yeah, maybe that's part of it. Maybe they're just talking too much about the policy papers. I don't know. I think that if you went to that car wash that barber shop
or you talked to religious voters and another part of laying a white religious voters, I think that they would say that the Democrats don't care about them. That's care about college educated, elite, woke, whatever nonsense. And like they care about language policing and that they don't care about their concerns.
“I think that's what they would say, right?”
The Democrats kind of look down on them and are dismissive of their beliefs or concerns. And I think that's the problem. And I wonder how you like fix that. And what the way is to like make those folks feel heard. And I see no evidence at all that Donald Trump cares about those people.
I think the voters are going to get another chance to think about that. There's no member as they are seeing their grocery skyrocket. As they're seeing him lay upon all of us burden all of us with the most regressive tax policy. We have seen in my lifetime rather than having wealthy corporations and wealthy people pay their fair share. He's taxing everybody.
This is the biggest tax burden I mean, that I mean you talk about. They want to you want to call Democrats tax and spend. He's taxing everybody on everything. So I don't see any evidence that he cares about those people. He's doing a really good job of looking out for for family, his own family.
They're richer than they've ever been. So people have a chance to look at that. That said, that said, I now now that I'm in the Senate and I'm a part of this crazy thing that we do in DC. Yeah.
Hopefully, you know, all the half of ordinary people you do get a win every day. I now know more than I did as an activist. Yeah, Washington, DC is too captive to interests, big money, big corporations, and in the mis lobbyists. And in the midst of all of that, the voices of ordinary people get squeezed out of their democracy.
Which is why the first two chapters of my book, the crooked places may straight are about voting rights and about dark money.
In our politics, I'm proud of the fact that when that because I want because I want when I came to the Senate. We were able to pass a law that allowed Medicare for the first time to negotiate with big farmer, the price of prescription drugs.
Now, I want you to think about that.
First of all, the fact that we had to pass a law so that Medicare could even negotiate tells you everything you need to know about the outside impact of these people.
“And I realize impact of these corporate interests, big farmer, big oil, you name it, right?”
We had to pass a law for you to be able to do what you ought to be able to do in any capitalist society. If somebody's trying to sell me something, ought to be able to argue with them and haggle over the price. And literally, it was illegal to do so. I think most voters might be surprised to hear that. But then we passed a law to do it.
And it applied initially to tendrows. That's it, tendrows. And it took four years for that to be put into place.
If we're honest, that says that politicians on both sides of the aisle are having to make certain kinds of concessions with big money.
Because our system is a wash in money. And people feel that they're not wrong. The poor white people in Louisiana. They rightly see that there's a disconnect between where they live in the conversation. Black folk growing up in rural parts of Georgia, same thing. And somehow, we've got to get back to a politics that's Senator Nick Tippo. I'm also a Shannen Maldonado and I'm the founder of Yaui.
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I also do think that some religious people feel like the Democrats look down on them.
“I think back at the conversation I had with a young guy, a Latino guy.”
He was on the show Jubilee, had enough to see that. Somebody said, "I did this. You sit in the middle, and then you have 20 people yell at you. You've seen somebody do that." I think my score is doing it. It's a popular show with the youth. It's like an arguing show.
And one of the young guys said, "Basically, you know, I'm paraphrasing."
But he said, "He thinks that the Democrats mock God." And he says, "You go to a Trump event, and there's a prayer beforehand, and you go to a Comblo event, and you have Megan this stallion twirking before that." And obviously this is like not fair and crazy, and Donald Trump's a false prophet. But like the perception is real, I think, the perception exists.
And I wonder if you sense that that's a problem, if there's something that the Democrats can do to talk to those folks better, that have that perception, I wonder how you would react, or how you'd talk to somebody who said that to you. Look, I'm a pastor. I'm a Christian. And my faith is what drove me into this work, and the issues that I've done. You hear me talking about healthcare, dealing with poverty. These are things that I talked about from my pulpit long before I entered a race for the Senate.
I would ask those voters, you know, the scripture says, "Every one who cries Lord Lord doesn't mean that they're going to enter in." And Donald Trump is many things. The man of faith he certainly is not.
“I think he bought Scott. I think Donald Trump, in the secret moments, went behind closed doors, laughs, that religious people.”
Definitely. He's deeply cynical. He doesn't believe in anything other than himself. It is own self-aggrandizement and his self-enrichment. And if religion gets in the way of that, he and J.D. Vance, the newly converted Catholic, who recently said that the Pope ought to be careful about how he's talking about theology. Though through the Pope, the faith and everything else under the bus, if it gets in the way of their politics,
I think Democrats should not be shy in owning their faith. There's a way to live in your faith and talk about it. That does not force that upon others in the public square. So part of what it means to for me to be a person of faith is to recognize that I live in my faith and under the law. And that this grand experiment we have again, as we approached the 250th anniversary, is that we are a diverse, multifaceted, democratic,
Republic that creates space for people living their faith, various faith trad...
To speak up every time Islam is condemned and Muslims are condemned just for being Muslims.
To stand up for my Jewish sisters and brothers, and for those who claim no faith tradition at all.
“And I think sometimes Democrats are so squeamish in thinking about the separation of church and state,”
which I believe in, nobody, I don't want to live in a theocracy that they're afraid to talk about it at all. Here's how my faith lives in my work. It's really, it's not my creeds. When I come to this office to do this work, it's not my creeds that I bring to the work. It's, it's my values. Love, just this making, truth telling, empathy, centering to poor, and guess what? Those of values that are resonant in all of the great faith traditions and people of more courage to claim no faith at all.
And the covenant we have of one another is that we ought to be able to engage in that conversation and respect away. And hopefully create something that I think looks like the kingdom of God, a country that's big enough to embrace all of our children. I grew with all of that 98% of the time. I think 2% of the time we can be disrespectful. And I'm going to give you a chance to do that right now. You mentioned JD. He managed to find two new religions at the same time. He became a Catholic right as he was taking on Donald Trump as his personal savior.
Which is kind of a miracle. Hey, hey man. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, America's Hitler, and then he spit a lot of time a few years later, literally campaigning,
not just for a Senate seat, but campaigning to an audience of one to become his running mate. And he's just deeply craving. And it's hard to know really what his moral center is and what is
“what is he driven by. In some ways, he's scarier than Donald Trump. I think it's interesting.”
He's on a tour. You know, talking about his faith, you know, I have to take you at your word if you say you're a person of faith, but I'm going to hold you accountable to that. When the Pope began to speak in a way that Pope speak and said, "Hey, you know, what about peace, fighting for peace?" And he gets scolded by one of the newest converts to Catholic faith. And he tells the Pope, "Be careful, you're talking about theology as if the Pope is out of his
lane, talking about theology." And here's what we know.
If what the Pope was saying was consistent with what JD Man's wanted to do politically, he'd have no problem with it at all. It's just that he found the pope's words to be inconvenient, which is often the case. Profits and prophetic speech often makes politicians concern and creates inconveniences for the agenda that they want to put forward, especially if it's an agenda that's focused on war, not peace and agenda focused on enriching
the already, the folks who are already rich and are centering the most marginalized members of the human family. It is just fun. I mean, the timing is just ridiculous. We can laugh at it. Look, I've got the converts my family. I'm a cradle Catholic. We've had some married into the family, did the conversion journey. That's I'm for it. I recognize that some people decided they have to suck up to Donald Trump to get power. They're a public and party. I understand it. Do
in both of the same time. It's like wait a minute. It's done really compute. Well, the problem is he has
two poems. Yeah. I wanted Rome and the one that was the subservient one. Unfortunately, it's the problem for the Catholic church. And I felt Louisiana Mike Johnson, you mentioned you had a meeting with him yesterday. I want to hear about that. For people who missed the story, I'll give them background. A big thing that you write about in this book and in another book, we covered the same kind of turf. It's this question of in faith as a faith leader
there are ways that you could focus on personal piety. And then there are ways you can focus on
“systemic injustice. And you know, you should faith leaders should look at both, right? Like not”
have just one. And you're kind of criticizing a lot of conservative faith leaders who focus entirely on personal piety, but not at all about the broader injustices in the world. And within that context, you criticized Mike Johnson in New York Times interview where he said, I don't understand
How you read the big beautiful bill, say a long prayer, hold hands with your ...
and then cut a trillion dollars out of Medicaid. That's right. He said it's performative.
“Mike Johnson got a feeling hurt when you said that. And you guys had a meeting yesterday. So I'm just”
kind of wondering how that shook out. Well, you know, he apparently saw what I said in the New York Times before I did. And I got in the office. My staff said that the speaker had asked "Could he meet with me?" And you know, I was sure. I'll meet with him every Sunday morning after the sermon has preached. We back to say something that we say the doors of the church are open. And we invite those who want to come to Jesus, those who want to make a decision based on the
sermon that had been preached. So I was glad that that God has attention. I was happy to talk to
him about it. But let me be really clear. This is not about Mike Johnson. And it's not about
Raphael Warnaud. This is about the people we represent. And the people in his own district is emblematic
“of the work that we must do. There are people in his own district, children, about 47,000 fewer”
children assigned up for Medicaid in his own state as a result of their actions. They're literally taking the food out of the mouths of hungry children with these draconian cuts to snap that have disproportionately hurt rural red districts. And so I was speaking to him as a Christian brother. He wasn't the focus of that conversation that it came up. And I'm going to continue to hold all of us accountable. You know, Dr. King kept saying this lot of kept appearing in his letter from
a Birmingham jail. He kept saying I'm so disappointed in the church. He said, as I travel through the south and I see its massive churches and its spires pointing heaven where I asked myself, what kind of people worship there and who is there God? In other words, he was pointing out the disconnect between the creeds and the deeds. And if we are in the people of faith, then poor people ought to be centered working class people. Children certainly ought to be centered
in our public policy and I will continue to hold all of us accountable all those hours of the hour. And you met Mike Johnson before that yesterday as you actually said, I mean, I've seen
Matt and Matt and Matt and Matt talking talked to him. We had never had a real a sit down
conversation until yesterday. We were concerned that he's performative, a swaged it all in the private conversation. Listen, he asked me to come and talk to him. I had a conversation with him, Christian brother, the Christian brother. Look, I'm a pastor and so I'm going to try to maintain the integrity of that. We exchange phone numbers. But I'm really clear out about his policies. Okay, cutting a trillion dollars out of Medicaid is the antithesis of the Christian faith. I stand
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society has left over Schoppie-Fey. There are now a cost-in-losing test of Schoppie-Fey.com. Questions don't care enough about the personal Piety side of things. There are criticism of you, which would be the inverse of what you say about them. We have this conversation right now happening around Graham Platten, who is running for Senate, or maybe they'll Clinton in the 90s and say that the Democrats are happy to look as scans of people who have personal
pecadillos who are sinful in their personal life as long as they advance their political ideology. I'm just wondering how you think about that question and like a personal Piety has to matter at some level. Are there any red lines that you would see for somebody being in public life when it comes to issues in their personal life? Character matters.
I was raised by two wonderful parents who instilled that in me.
out my life in a certain kind of way that's consistent with my faith claims as a preacher on
Sunday morning, but we're all flawed human beings. All of us at best are centers saved by grace. The character does matter and I do think I have to say to my Christian sisters and brothers on the right lovingly. I do think they're on pretty shaky grow right about now because they were there were moments when there were many of us who were frustrated with them and we would say hey don't you care about what's happening to poor people? Don't you care about state mass incarceration
in the land of the free? Don't don't you care about people having access to health care and they
“would say no what matters is personal ethics and much of that centered around sex and sexuality”
and they would frustrate us but you're like, well the guy's supposed to talk about some
things over the bat and then Donald Trump comes along. Sure. Okay, Senator. I mean they're hypocrites. We agree you're on the chief podcast of Trump's arranged mostly, posting about raping women. I mean this is serious stuff and molesting women. Yeah, that's right. In his own voice. He's horrible. And multiple divorces and and now literally burning and looting and stealing from our country on camera. And I just have to wonder the things that they said they cared
about. Do they care about those either? Because I'm not so sure right about now. I think it's that they don't but we still have to have standards right and I just I kind of wonder just kind of how you think about that and obviously it's coming right up right now in the case of of Platner who's obviously who actually just gets it for nothing even in the remotely in the same universe as Trump but still you know I just wonder how you think about the
question of holding yourself to your own standards and integrity when it comes to these sorts of questions. No, let me be very clear. Character matters and again and no perfect human beings but integrity matters. Character matters and I think that Mr. Platner whom I have not met and I do not know has some very serious accusations. I take these women seriously and I think that the people of me the voters of me deserve an answer from him about these things. Full stop. That's that that's
“balance you know it's like you have to answer that and but also the systemic stuff matters you know”
and that and that's where Platner's been really good right and that's why he's resonating with people because he's talking about all that you know and in a way that the people care about. I and if you tell the recap about a month or two ago now he cited you kind of as a mentor and a model as somebody who's a Christian you know leader in the Democratic Party. I'm wondering if you've even watched in his campaign if you have any thoughts you have to chance to talk to him
about you know whether he can kind of follow in your footsteps and into the Senate. Yes we've talked a couple of times he reached out to me when he started his campaign and came to D.C. it's at down that with me. He's doing great and it's good to see someone else out there in a very clear way living out his faith speaking about it in relationship to issues of public policy is deeply
“is deeply refreshing. I think he like like me seeks to live that out in a way that is hospitable”
to other faith traditions like there's no contradiction between me honoring that other people have other ways to the center part of what it means to be a Christian it seems to me is for me to stand up for folks who were coming from a different a different point of view and creating space for them to and their humanity. We're going to do a dorm room podcast question is that all right can we
pretend like we're in the freshman dorm for a second it's a little bit dorm room adjacent
sounds like fun. All right do you ever have doubts about your faith or absolutely do you have any doubts about whether it's all real you know and how do you how do you think about that? No I think people who say they don't have any doubts have not thought seriously enough about it they haven't gone deep enough. I don't think that doubt and I've seen this as I engage with the scripture doubt is not the opposite of faith doubt is an element in faith and if you're looking at the contradictions
in our world the fact that we're here again dealing down we'll trump again I got some questions
Forgot I got some questions for us too but I I say I mean we we got we had a ...
but I got some questions for God they how are you man how are we how are we here again you know why why why do people you know who who are the salt of their suffer and folks who don't care about their neighbor and who do not fear God seem to be doing just fine all of the great heroes of the faith the spiritual geniuses the the people we lift up in scripture raised those questions people talk about Joe being the you know the a paragon of patience when when people talk to me about the patience
of Joe here's what I know they've never read the book he is the supreme protester who said you know
you you you are a God who hides yourself show yourself so that we might argue it out so yeah not only
“do I have doubts from time to time sometimes I argue with God and I think that's what it means to have”
an authentic relationship my my daughter is eight and so we can she asked me whether God was real and I've got more doubts than you and I found and we're going back and forth I was talking to her about it and she gives like an eight year old version of Pascal's wager to make kind of she's just like well if you believe in God you're going to get the good stuff and if you don't believe in God then you won't so I found myself doing Pascal's wager with my eight year old and um I don't know
like how even kids you've snagged your old in the seven year olds like that's great how do you talk to them about that how do you talk to them about that um I mean I talk to them but I first of all I just try to model the life that I want them to live and um I try to model kindness and love and and I teach them to respect their neighbor and and they they learn about the faith they're sitting there listening to their dad preached they're not impressed it's in those
quiet moments when I'm sitting with my daughter and my son as my parents did with me right before bedtime when I read just you know the stories of our faith to them and we pray together and
“you hope that that uh in the midst of that they get it they catch it I think I think they're more”
likely to catch it then be giving it to them and so I I try to live my life and in a way that they catch what gives their dad hope even in an even in a dark moment like this all right here's my rapid fire closures okay you're ready John Ossoff your colleague I asked him to tell me his favorite curse word and what his workout routine was for his guns he would not tell me either now you're a pastor I don't have your loud to have a favorite curse world word but I'm giving you a
chance to answer either of those questions favorite curse word or workout routine Emily you I really asking the preacher I am his favorite curse word we're all sinners baby you said it you said it we're all sinners we are but I I don't have a favorite and uh well you're working out notice I didn't say
that one that never slip out I said I don't have a favorite one okay so I'm a sinner saved by Grace
trying to get it right I bet that workout routine though you're working out yeah often on again struggling trying to get there the pastry road race is coming up I I've been doing that every year and is you know it's a 10k and so you know I enjoy doing that and I work out at the gym I try to stay healthy I like to ride my bike that's my favorite thing all right we take me well with a song I read a sermon years from February where you're riffing on samples speaking about a song that
has some words that you're not allowed to say is a pastor you're talking about TI and uh I don't know I was hoping maybe given that you're this is you know obviously based on that sermon you're somebody that is you know is up to see you know music like music cares but I'm now what do you want to
take us out with is that was should I take people out I always take people out of the song
that is relevant to the episode just is that the one which should we take them out with that or you
“got another recommendation I like that one but you have to bleep the whole thing okay with it”
I bet you got a better one then you got one that the kids can listen to in the car I don't know I mean I'm I'm old school I love I love where to fire anything from earth when to fire I'll do we'll send you out with my favorite when to fire son listen Denver people in earth when to fire Raphael won I thank you for the time Senator Warnecker always appreciate you keep on fighting we'll talk to you sooner brother keep the faith I just wanted more and more with that Raphael
Warnecker I could have done another hour and you know unfortunately he had some sanitoring to do so we appreciate him for all the time this morning we've got a couple of our faves to close out the week on Thursday and Friday so get excited for that we'll see you all then
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