Sam Stein and Adam Hamilton: Trump’s Fabricated World Is Crashing

- Hello, welcome to the Bullock Daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. We got a double header for you today and segment two. I got the Democratic candidate for Senate

in Kansas, Adam Hamilton. And we all have two wolves inside of us. Adam was really tingling my good wolf today. He's hitting all of the notes that my good wolf likes to hear. So stick around for that and segment two.

But first we got to feed the bad wolf.

It's the managing editor of the Bullock Sam Stein. What's up? - What's up, man? I'm glad I'm the bad wolf. - For today, JBL is an available.

So we're gonna have to stick with you. I was asking you which of the stories in the outline feed your bad wolf the most. And you offer an interesting choice. You know, there's any bigger news out there

in the world today, we'll get to all of it. - No. - But Corey Lewandowski, stank breath Corey Lewandowski.

“And I think newly divorced or soon to be Christy Nellum.”

'Cause she wasn't willing to bimbrow her five herself enough for her husband. They're still together. This is the great American love story. Corey and Christy don't spotted vacationing maybe

or doing business to y'all something in Minnesota. - Yes.

- Do we want to play the video of it first?

- Sure. - Let's play the video of it. - Do they are for the audio listeners? They're the restaurant eating Alfresca, Christy's in a hat. Corey is in the Joe Biden son of a...

- There's a car being in here. - They're laughing at the car. - Corey's looking at the camera. - Corey starts walking away. They walk away a couple of pieces apart from each other.

Is if that's good or matter? - Well, they have software in their family. - And they're spattered. - Where? - They're biking.

- How now they're biking? - That's cute. - Yeah. - That's your size. - I'm glad.

- You told me you wanted to surprise me with your take on that. So I'm already... - I'm angry for a couple of reasons. - Okay. - The bad wolf is coming out for two reasons.

One is, this just seems like a real dereliction of duty to the shield of the Americans. Doesn't she have an important job here that she has to do? Why is she vacationing the shield of America?

- Because she doesn't. - We're about to do a coup in Cuba. So you would think that the shield would be really convictivating right now. - For people who don't know the shield of America

is a counter-cartel coalition. It's multinational military and security. And here we have the head of it, Kristinaum just noodling with Cory at a very nice vacation spot apparently in Minnesota.

And I just feel like we're not prepared for what's to come because she's not on the job. So that really angered me. - I'm sorry, the Minnesota people didn't get mad at me,

“but is there such a thing as a very nice vacation spot?”

- It looked nice. - It did look nice, but that brings me to my second anger point, which is of all the states. There's 50 states in this country. They chose Minnesota, it's like rubbing salt in the wind,

what they did to that poor state. And then to go and bike around and get a soft serve, apparently at this nice little restaurant in Minnesota. How could you choose a different state? Just go across the border, Michigan's fine.

I don't know, one of the decoders, just anything other than Minnesota, it seems wrong. - I thought you were gonna be upset on behalf of Brian. - No, you know, I'm not. Brian's living his best life.

He's got his big boobs, and he's hanging out, and he's rid of this nonsense. I'm not upset for him, I think he's doing just fine. - Okay. - I hope Cory's wife is able to also take a lot of shit.

- What is she thinking? I mean, why are we going with the charade that they're not together? Can they just, just be together? - Be together?

- Yeah.

“Or maybe they're poly, polys in these days.”

- I guess, but even so, just announce that you're a poly. No one's gonna care, I don't care. I just get rid of this facade, this ridiculousness. You're biking with each other while the shield of America's withers.

Like I least own it. - You know, Cory is under investigation. - Yes, well, he should also say. - Is that not sort of obvious?

At some point he's always under some investigation.

- Investigators find, this is from July, it's from right before I went on holiday. Investigators find Coil and Dowski may have been involved in in propertyHS contracts. - No.

I have line from the Wall Street Journal there. That's interesting. And we'll see, I don't know, we can trust the Todd Branch DOJ to really get to the bottom of it. Although in this case, they might,

they might have such animist towards Cory that they're like, you know what? Screw it, we're investigating this line. - But Cory always finds his way back in.

Like three times down he was kicked out after he floored it with a married lady

“at the Addiction Awareness Fundraiser at the point of view.”

- It was a very generous way to describe what he was doing with that married lady. He was like kind of salt in her, yes. - Yeah, at a Betty Hanna and her husband, and she was a big donor to Trump

and so Trump got mad at him.

And he got kicked out, he got fired from the first campaign.

Well, we're to continue to monitor the saga. And that's the real bad wolf Sam. You thought that the bad wolf was about some of your feelings about this, but the real bad wolf is how much you care about those.

This is Sam's brava. This is Sam's, what, watch what happens live. For watch what happens now or whatever Andy Cohen shows called. - I just deeply care about the shield of the Americas

and the ability to execute on its mission. - While we're here, we're gonna stay in sorted mag drama. Place, we're gonna stay in the bravo place and I do promise we'll eventually get to news.

The max miller story, which we've been covering a lot.

“So I think people pretty familiar with what's happening”

that he's continuing to stick it out. He's got yesterday was the day for him to drop out

if they wanted to have a special election.

Monday is the deadline for him to drop out if they wanted to have an appointed replacement. So we're watching this closely. Doesn't feel like a ton of pressure is building on him to drop out.

Like Johnson hasn't said anything as we cover down Trump City feels bad for Max. I think the person to feel bad for is the child. There's been some interesting developments for anyone who missed it.

Senator Bernie Marino, Republican Ohio, said that Max Miller's former son in law was holding his granddaughter's blue bunny hostage. She slept every night with the same bunny. She's two and a half Max denied that.

And he put out an interesting tweet late last night. Let's said this, please stop the lies. As everyone can see in the below screenshots, mine and your daughter's parenting coordinator reached about the bunny type of.

Asking if you can come pick it up for me after she forgot it at my house. I said, sure, then a man who is not on our approved list reaches out to me offering to come to my house to get the bunny to which I said it was inappropriate of him

to insert himself in family business and that I was waiting for you at Bernie Marino like we agreed upon. My daughter got her bunny back in 14 hours. So that's before we get to the truth of the story.

That is the Max Miller stated defense that he only held his daughter's bunny hostage for just 14 hours and that he refused to give it back in a more reasonable time, because he did not want an intermediary

that was not approved by the enforced mediator to be handling the bunny transaction. What do you think about that defense, Sam? - I think it sucks and I just am left wondering, is there anyone around this guy who can say,

hey, Max, your live streams, your TV interviews with Jake Tapper, your tweets make you look totally psychotic

“and you should probably should not do this stuff.”

Because every time he posts or open his mouth, I'm left more and more with this kind of bad taste in my mouth about this guy. I know it seems trivial, but it did sort of tip me off

was when he was defending himself for the needles that were discovered. And he's like, it was only testosterone replacement. Like, come on, give me a break.

And I was like, wait a second.

Why is this due taking testosterone replacement at like, what, 35, 34, like, what did you do for my career? Shouldn't you have it? - It's gender-affirming care, Sam. - It is.

I'm not sure that's why he was, I don't know why he was taking it. I don't think he was worried about, well, I maybe he was, who knows? But that to me screams,

to me that screams that you have both, you know, you have some deep psychological issues that you got to deal with and probably should not have to handle this stuff while also simultaneously serving as an elected official.

- Look, that's, that's almost as big at Understatement as the Wall Street Journal's headline about Cory, looking down to Keith's contracts. (laughing) But the interesting part of the story is,

just as a recipient of everything that's happening, this is a consumer. So last night, I'm, you know, watching silo and also monitoring my phone, you know, watching monitor in the news.

I'm back on the clock and I see the Max Miller tweet come across and I'm like, okay, this is the most insane self-defense I've ever heard. It's like your father-in-law says that you held your daughter who you allegedly assaulted, beloved bunny,

that she sleeps with every night hostage. And your defense of yourself is like, well, I only kept it out since for 14 hours. And the reason I did was because you wouldn't come get it yourself, you're even sent a staffer,

and we can't allow that, we can't allow it, not approved mediator to touch the bunny. And I was like, this, I mean,

And then the lawyer for Emily Moreno,

“refunded to that tweet by leaking additional emails”

related to the bunny. And when you hear, but what I'm about to read, then it makes you wonder, why is Max Miller engaged on this, and this makes him look like a total sociopath. It makes you wonder, what else do I,

it makes you wonder if you might be a serial killer, or something, to even engage in the bunny discourse when you read about these additional emails. Screen shots from Emily Moreno's lawyer goes like this. Earlier tonight, Representative Max Miller

made social media posts, alleging he had proof that Moreno was lying about the bunny being well-teld. He included screenshots. The screenshots I have at context can also suggest a pattern of bunny withholding.

And a screenshot from an unknown date,

the parenting coordinator of Miller and Moreno says Miller adamantly refuses to give the bunny back. That says, I've suggested you keep the bunny at your house to avoid these situations because unfortunately, in a high conflict divorce, the situations blow up.

So there you go, that was from an unknown date. And the screenshot of an email from March 2025, Emily Moreno begged Miller for the blue bunny. In a screenshot of an email from August 2025, months later, Emily Moreno's lawyer is seen as reaching out

to Max Miller's attorneys asking them to persuade Miller to give the bunny back that email ends with this sentence. Please have Max return the bunny forth with. (laughs)

March April May June, July August. That's a six-month period of bunny hostage taking. The video's engaged in. - He clearly couldn't get enough. This poor bunny just absolutely collateral

in this awful, awful family drama, just give the girl her bunny, just let her hold the bunny and don't take it, like she can travel with the bunny. I don't know, she just ran away from his child.

“I think it's probably for a period of time.”

- Yeah, I mean, I want to read from this screenshot says for no apparent reason, Max is not returning, they black out, okay, they black out the dollar stand. Blue bunny to Emily, Dr. Korek, tried to get the blue bunny back. Dr. K made clear that despite a recommendation

that the blue bunny stay with Emily, Max refuses to return it. Why must this be a controversy? This is totally ridiculous to which I say yes. - Yes.

- This is totally ridiculous. This man has issues. Why is he holding the bunny hostage? - Back in the old days, like this man would be in a padded room. Like that's what would be happened.

- Yeah. - The padded room now for Max Miller, get him out of Congress, Brian Point Dexter. We spent too much time on this Brian Point Dexter's running against Max Miller.

“We'll put a link to his website to do in the show notes.”

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It's one of the only programs he's actually passed besides the mass deportations. And so I guess once a run on it in the midterms at the event was the governor of Nevada, Joe and Bardau. And I got to tell you, if you are going to a rally

there are two moments that really stand out as crazy gaffes. And you make both of them. [LAUGHTER] See, they're of them were Trump.

“Boy, Governor Lambardo was really struggling.”

[LAUGHTER] And I just want to play a couple of clips from the rally.

Again, I just went before I put this first clip.

That's one of the reinforced. This is a messaging event about no tax on tips. So essentially, this is Trump's populist policy. This is like the idea that Trump obviously doesn't care. All about working people but he has to pretend to.

And here's one policy that he can point to it where it's like I'm trying to help the working man not my family and my corporate buddies and the oligarchs and Silicon Valley. And so I want to focus on how no tax on tips

is helping the forgotten man, real working man. Here's Joe and Bardot with Donald Trump standing over his shoulder introducing that event. Quite often when the press and the media runs them down, they think about he's taking care of his billionaire friends.

But those billionaire friends provide jobs. [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] And unless you take care of them, those jobs are absent.

My billionaire friends provide jobs.

“God will look out for the billionaires man.”

That's the best. You know what? Don't hate on the billionaires. It's good that he's protecting them. And don't hate on Governor Olin Bardot, actually.

That's the classic Kinsey Gaff. He was like, he's just speaking truth. Joe and Bardot was like, Donald Trump might be here having a no tax on tips of this because he wants to give you guys some extra pennies.

You're making 11 bucks an hour. And he doesn't want you to pay the 20% that you're paying on that. So you're going to get hoofed. Think about the crisp linkings that you're going to get. Thanks to the no tax on tips.

But people we really got to take care of. They're not that nice. Not the small business job creators. Not the medium size business job creators. It's the billionaires.

It's the billionaires. So the ones to down there, his billionaire buddies. Yeah, he's got their back. I don't know, man. It's just like when you say to that, pretty obviously

a dumb dumb gaff. Trump's face is also good. Trump's Trump's like, you've been Trump died. He's frowning, you've been coming up. What's the way?

What was that? No back slap. I love it. OK. Lam Bardot had another mistake.

This one wasn't his fault. Actually, Joe Lam Bardot, well, I guess it's his fault for misunderstanding. No, this one's not his fault. This one's not his fault.

It's his fault. It is because he doesn't understand the cause of our base. OK. Yeah. Let's watch, Jill and Bardot.

“Well, actually, I think it's better if you just”

go and plant. All right, let's listen. So I know Pastor Tyce spoke about Officer Abdel Nabi a few moments ago. No, no, we're not doing-- we're not doing it.

He's the officer that passed away here recently. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I do a little more time. It's so bad.

So I know Pastor Tyce spoke about Officer Abdel Nabi a few moments ago. No, no, we're not doing-- we're not doing it. He's the officer that passed away here. He's amazing.

OK. The pastor. Oh, my God.

The first of all, obviously, what happened here

is that they heard a Muslim name. And they're, like, primally, you know, oh, boo. Wait, whoa. And then the government of the part of-- what do things going through his head

where when he hears the boo, he's like, oh, shit. Shit. Like, that's not good. I got to correct these folks. See, Officer, they died.

I thought you guys liked to back the blue. Yeah. I thought you'd back to blue. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You just back someplace.

Some people, you don't like the boys who are defending the camp, but well, you don't back the Muslim blues. And the Muslim blues. Yeah, there's been kind of a series of unfortunate depending on how you look at it.

Events for the Republicans have brought back to the four, just the intensity of their Islamophobia. And there was that moment, the booing of the dead Muslim officer, police officer. And then there was, as we discussed yesterday,

Amir Hassan Trump endorsed him to be the candidate for Michigan 8. He was defeated, handily. Like a landslide defeat against Thomas J. Smith,

And he would handwritten his resignation from the race to the county clerk. Is it going to find you in the sea portal? The letter is so hilarious. It's like the script of it.

It's just like he tried so little to get out of the race. Just like, please consider this my resignation. But that name, it's just the most generic white dude Thomas J. Smith back as he found to win. That guy seems like he killed the American values in here, Hassan.

And then as you pointed out, I think first, after Abdul Al-Sad's victory on Tuesday night in the Michigan primary, the National Republican Sanatorium committee went from calling him Abdul Al-Sad to Abdul Rahman Muhammad Al-Sad.

Saddle stuff. There was another one where I think that one of the allied packs like put up some graphic where they're like, he supports terrains, like terrains, all camps and you know.

I mean, Mike Rogers said that after 9/11, we sort of going after terrains,

he'd never think that he'd run against a terrains.

Somebody that was a terrains supporter. So I don't know if the exact quote in front of me, but that's just a bit. - Yeah. - So, you know, they're not going to hide that of all that.

- No, it's giving me some like 2223 flashbacks to be honest with you. - I guess it's my obligation here to be like in that moment, at least W.O. is trying to tamp it down. - Yeah.

“- That's how that's like we're back to that time”

without the precipitating event and with all gas no breaks. - Completely. - Completely. - From our gas no breaks.

- I think the folks at the airborne Michigan feel about this one. - That great, I think the results will be a little different in 2024. I do think probably should cause some internal reflection of the people of Dearborn Michigan

about who they chose to vote for in 2024, but I don't know what I told you so I was just gonna get us at this point. A pack related, I said this on Monday, the thing I think I hate the most about the Michigan race

is that it's getting us a little too close to like having our politics the a proxy for a Middle East religious war and like that's not going that great over there and we're a pluralistic society

where we welcome Jews and Muslims and Catholics and even Jacob Protestants and atheists and whatever else people want to be. And I don't like this very much, but A pack and as yesterday they're going all in

“for Mike Rogers, honestly they could end up spending”

close to 100 million on this race.

It's hard to kind of track exactly how much money is being spent because they use kind of cut out packs and stuff because I've seen 30 million for the primary but some estimates higher than that and now gonna put tens of millions

for more into the general you haven't even thought some kind of implication to that. - Well I just think it's important for people to understand how abnormal this is because A pack up until pretty recently did not do this stuff.

They didn't spend in general elections and they also tried to make sure that they had a strong foothold in each party. They were very committed to making sure that there was bipartisan support for their mission

and then by extension for Israel. And what they've basically decided at this juncture is they don't care and they're just gonna cast their lot strictly with Republicans more or less.

And so them getting involved in the general and this looks like it's gonna happen

would basically be a big middle finger

to every Democrat. Not that any Democrats really that tied to A pack all that much anymore. - You wouldn't know that hearing from the DSA streamers, but, you know.

- Right, I guess. - I look at A pack and I'm just befuddled at what their strategic objectives are here. Like what are they trying to do? - I've had a couple of messages about this,

so I can answer what they're trying to do. I think that they see outside is like an existential threat. Like the idea that having somebody that doesn't believe that the Jewish state should exist

at the top levels of political power is something that calls for massive response and pushback. And so I think that is part of it. I don't think that explains kind of

the broader alienation of Democrats and other places like the Matt Malanowski decision and New Jersey to go after somebody who's like from very modest in their criticism of this.

“I could honestly, whose position is about Israeli policy.”

We're not that different than the state of positions of Ben Shapiro. But like how much funding we should be providing for Israel and killing that candidacy. - Well, I do think there's a vicious cycle happening

where like the APAC crowd feels like I'll say I'm just gonna use him as a standard, but several other Democratic candidates. You know, what was the whole line about originally on how he would say

of down a verb in 9/11? I think that they feel like it's like a noun of verb Zionism, noun of verb APAC, noun of verb Israel

And so, you know, because it's like, it's not just that they're opposing Israel. It's that they're so committed to that. It's like the top issue. And then, this is a vicious cycle

and they'll get your kind of reaction to this. So then they go all in opposing that person. And so then the person defend themselves against this. And you know, I was like, you know, I'm gonna listen, I'm just wondering, I just said,

“"I think if Qatar pack, even if it was American Qataris,”

spent 30 million going after a Jewish candidate in a district,

I think that the Jewish candidate would be talking a lot about the hills of Qatar's influence on our politics." And so, you can see the how that kind of vicious cycle kind of continues. And I think that's what's happening.

- Oh, yeah. And then NLSA will absolutely use this story to his benefit and dinner donations and support and all that stuff. So the cycle will continue. Let me paint the picture of an alternative route

for APAC. - Please. - And tell me if this is crazy. Occasionally offer a criticism of the Netanyahu government and what they're doing.

You don't have to be lock step in support of the Netanyahu government. Your job is to have American support for Israel, okay? So make a little bit of distance between one Netanyahu's doing. Maybe say every now and then you know, he went too far, a little bit in Gaza,

or these West Bank settlements are wrong, something like that. And then, instead of going all into defeat candidates in the Democratic Party, go all into build coalitions within the Democratic Party that are largely 90% support of what you want.

It may be 10% not support of what you want.

Maybe the, maybe a candidate is overly critical

of what's happening in the settlements. But you're okay with that because they do support firm U.S. Israel relations. And you say that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna build a bench.

We're not gonna tear people down and build a bench. Now you actually have people in the Democratic Party who are willing to align with you and who aren't embarrassed by an association with you. And you don't end up in that vicious cycle

that you articulated so well. So that would be my suggestion. - I think it's kind of too far gone for that as part of the problem. But yeah, I hear you.

We're not gonna make the whole podcast with a settlement, but I think it's hard to have them to.

“I think one, the one, my, I alternatively.”

- You don't think we can solve Middle East peace in the next. - Yeah, no. - No, no. Maybe, okay fine, I'd like to see the same energy going after the Republican isolationist.

Maybe try to take out, man, I feel a little bit better if you try to take out one of the Republicans too, but it seems like you're basically a Trump super pack at this point.

And I don't, I don't really know why, how you think that's gonna play for people in the anti-Trump coalition who are maybe not fully, obviously not fully on board with your policies, but at least open to them.

I think you've made a lot of people less open to them. - I put out a statement when JD Vance talked about Jewish influences trying to steer the debate around the Iran MOU. - I don't recall.

- I can effort that to be sure, but I don't believe so. - Okay. - You know, it's nice to people go the extra step.

“- All right, especially especially in your traveling.”

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Sure. Post reported Wednesday the Trump and Higgseth clashed over our missile depletions at Camp David last week. Higgseth defended himself in this meeting and blamed his deputy classic Steven Feinberg.

(laughing) - Yeah, sure, sure. - That's it. - The name action look out of me for this. That's fine, Berg.

Wasn't me? - Yeah.

And for not keeping Trump a prize of the issue,

“flashback thanks for discercating Dan King himself”

worn Trump before the war that a major operation against Iran would face challenges because the munitions stockpile had already been significantly depleted by our defense of Israel and additional support for Ukraine. Just some facts, we've burnt through 80% of our prewarthat

interceptors, 50% of our Patriot interceptors, according to CNN. Rolliers reported that the army has used virtually all of its highly accurate long range missiles. That doesn't seem great.

Trump today is pushing back on these stories with the following bleat. The U.S. has massive amounts of munitions, munitions, especially of certain types. Additionally, large amounts of being manufactured

and shaped to the U.S. as needed defense companies are building the largest number of plants and factories in our country's history, the leakers of these trees and the statements are being hunted down. Long-term jail sentences will be sought.

Sam.

- No, it doesn't take a genius to spot the inconsistency here,

which is that they are simultaneously saying that this story is pure fiction and also that they're going to prosecute the leakers. How do you prosecute a made-up story? I'm not totally sure.

This is just like every other story, like the reflecting pool, right? It's like, we live in this world where you and I can see things are happening. Reports can document that they're happening.

Everyone is aware of the truth. I mean, there's nothing in these reports that are, you know, shocking to the curve. Of course, we've used tons of munitions. And the post has the goods and so do a lot of other outlets.

And yet we have to deal with this president who insists that this fabricated world that he wants to project on us is in fact where we live. And it's just it's dizzying, you know. I don't even know what to say at this juncture,

but, you know, he's created this unreality for himself. And I don't know, do he believe it?

“Or is he, you know, like, that's sort of a certain existence?”

I think he believes he can create a power of positive thinking. I think this is what. I don't know that I think that he's, at least, been told and he seems like he has mad about the current situation.

But I do think that he can think so he can wish things in reality and he kind of has at times. And that's reinforced that belief. - Do you think he really believes, I'm not to digress here,

but do you think he really believes there's a vandal that went for 300 feet around the reflecting pool and just cut a big snap in it? - No, okay. - No.

The Trump origin story for you to digress, it's him lying about being on Forbes's billionaires list, or whatever. And like this is before the apprentice. So for everything, you know, it's like he pretended

like he was richer than he was. And he like be raided and bullied Forbes magazine to like include him on the list, even if they didn't have the documentation like they did for the other people.

- Right. - But it worked kind of. I guess my point, like he was in rap songs as like the avatar of a rich person. - All right.

- And he was rich, but he like what's in anywhere near as rich as all these other people, but he kind of became the avatar of that by creating this fake world. And it has worked for him at times.

I don't think that it's gonna unfortunately work for him or the country in case of like missile count. - Right. - At some point you can't fire what you don't have. - Right.

- I guess there's gonna be, I guess, a repeat of Treaty of Versailles, too. Electric Bogelloo here.

We're gonna have a third treaty coming up

who knows potentially the next couple of days. And it's just like the degree of the failure again, can't be understated. And like we're gonna end up in this place where the military is less prepared.

We are in more danger than we were before the war started because of this lack of preparedness. The cost of the country are significant, lives lost economic calamity. And he's gonna have to go surrender again.

It's just an across the board humiliating defeat.

“- I mean, it's gonna be worse than that though, right?”

It's gonna be so humiliating. I mean, he'll obviously spin as a big win, but whatever. But they're gonna charge for ships going through the straight. I mean, that's the early reporting is that they're gonna put a charge.

And there's like ample video out there of him and everyone else being like, the straight will be open. That is non-negotiable. And that's clearly what we're gonna negotiate.

You know, it's just so embarrassing. And yet like, I don't know, I feel like I'm back where I was when the MOU was signed, which is, what are the alternatives, right? Get us out.

- I was going to close with some burrito discourse to make fun of Dan Crenchon, but instead of that, we'll say, "You don't want to talk about the burritos?" - No, I'll say it for another day. - You didn't talk about Trump's wig.

- We're going to talk about Trump's wig. - But I don't want to miss the opportunity to make fun of Dan Crenchon, since we're talking about this. Dan Crenchon has spent a set of stupid tweet about $20 burritos, people don't have to care about that.

He's out of Congress now, he's pathetic. But when I went to go to his feed to try to make fun of him, because we have a little beef,

It's from May, it starts with this.

“There's a narrative out there that the actions”

against a ran quote, "Lack strategy." (laughing) I deepunk that notion. - It's nice. - It's like a 10 paragraph tweet

about how all of us media cooks are panicking, and now we don't see the big picture, and now this is only gone on for a month, but Trump is methodically wiping for in policy problems off the map,

so that America can invest in future competition with China, breathe, think long term, see the whole picture, maybe see half the picture in dance. - Dan, you've got to pin that tweet. Sorry, get a new pinch tweet.

Pin the burrito tweet, it's better than that one. - Final topic, Trump's hair. Just for YouTube, I know this is an audio medium, so for the YouTube viewers, we'll pull up this kind of before and after picture,

and I'm gonna do my best to describe it for the listeners. Last week, Trump's hair and the oval office, it was extremely wispy. It was looking kind of Biden asking to Biden's credit,

Biden has some personal dignity. I can see that's worked on too many. It's him dignity, and I'm dignity, but like it was his thinning old man hair. It was like you could see a lot of skull.

Like if you look at this picture on the screen, you can see just a lot of kind of red skull, doesn't look like his orange skin, because he doesn't put makeup on it. It's kind of like the gray with red splotches

on his skull, and then yesterday, at the previous we mentioned Jill and Bardow speech, he looks like holistic increase. - It's amazing. - It does look like Elizabeth.

- Yeah, it's flowing. - It's a loft. - It's a beautiful blonde. - What do you think happened? Did he just do a lot of hymns?

“- I don't know if he did, I think it's a weave.”

- I think he's got a weave out there. - Yeah, I think he puts something on his head. I don't know. - Did he get a weave? - Did he get a weave with that?

- Yeah, again, an unreality. - Yeah, is it glued on? I don't know. If anybody has had dramatic hair-- - Well, really, what really killed me was the sides

around the ears. I don't know if you can't see this if you look at this. - Okay, hold on. I'm pulling up a different angle right now. - We got to describe like a computer.

Look at those ears crying in it. - Describe it for the people who are just listening, please, 'cause it deserves your details. - All right, so on the top, the hair is white yellow. Okay, and then on the side, it's a little darker,

it's a little brown. And it's kind of like a raccoon kind of eyebrow. Like a very thick raccoon fur eyebrow that folds over the top of the earlobe. - Yeah.

It's right around the ears where it's so wavy and fittingly on that brush. It's very weird. All right, we're gonna do some repenting now. - We'll pass your Adam Hamilton.

- No, it's segment two. - I like this guy, Sam. I gotta say, you know, I feel biased because he's just hitting all of my former Republican pleasure centers.

And I think Kansas is a little sleeper. I explain why in segment two. So we don't have to do.

“I think Kansas, some of these states of people mention,”

I don't wanna yuck anyone's young. I've glad anyone run for something,

get in the field, you never know what happens.

- Kansas, we get a little bit of a sleeper. So there we go, that's my tea. Stick around for that. Same anything else you wanna leave us with? - Yeah, I just wanted to mention that we're

and this is a little bit of self-promotion, but we do this here every now and then in the board. We got a big ride up in Ink Magazine this morning about the state of the business. We are profitable.

We are growing. We got a great bundle package. Ink really captured the zeitgeist here at the mothership and if people wanna check out what we're doing, I would definitely go to Ink and read about it,

but more importantly, I would join the community in the movement by subscribing here. So please do that. - We guys even came to see what's happening, the magic right here. All you guys get to see is the plant and the pinto being poster.

You get to see everything happening around. So you'll get a sense for what's going on back there. There's the slate article about the person who asked for advice because their son was spending too much time in the library doing something just disgusting.

And that disgusting thing was reading the book. - I have the same exact article right there. You know what I'm saying? - There's the picture that my God Son drew. That was a stick figure man where there were two legs

and there was something in between the leg,

but looked like a third leg.

I've got that framed over there. Lots of good stuff. Okay, we got to go to the pastor. That same sign up next at a pamphlet in peace. Peace.

(upbeat music) - All right, we are back.

for Senate from Kansas. He's also the founder and pastor of Resurrection, the United Methodist Church. It's Adam Hamilton. Hey, sir, thanks for coming on the show.

Tim, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me. - I've been watching your primary. I've been watching that race.

“I think Kansas is a little bit of a sleeper,”

but I bet a lot of our listeners haven't been watching this. You know, it's not exactly like the Tallarico Paxton race in the national political news. - Yeah. - Why you introduce yourself to the audience.

Tell us a little bit about Adam Hamilton. - Absolutely, so I'm a fifth generation canzon. I'm a United Methodist pastor. I pastor the largest United Methodist Church

the country and I never had a never dreamt of being in politics.

This was not my ambition. But watching over the last year, oh, by the way, I have two daughters there in their 30s and ones that she public defender and Kansas, another one runs a plant shop, owns her own plant shop.

And my wife and I've been married for 44 years. We got married the week after high school graduation. I was 17 and she was 18 and somehow it came out. - Yeah, it's really, really, right after high school graduation. So it was crazy.

- And I found a good pass. - No, hiccup seven and 44 years? - No, you know, they didn't do get rocky. - Oh, there are moments in every marriage. There are times where you find things are tough or difficult.

But, you know, somehow we survived that. We remembered our purpose was to try to care for each other, bless each other, love each other well. And she's been very gracious and very kind and very patient when the church seemed like it took over my life.

And yeah, it's interesting. We're closer together today than we ever have been. And in this race, you know, it was because she said last year, earlier this year in January, she said, 'cause all last year I was saying,

some of something's got to change, somebody's got to do something. And she said yes, but not you. And she said, you know, you've devoted too much of yourself to the church and now you're getting close to retirement. And I'm excited about that.

But then in January, she looked at me one day

“and she said, 'Okay, I think I was wrong.'”

I think we need to listen and see if maybe we might be the right person. You might be the right person to be able to beat Roger Marshall and to change what's happening. At least on behalf of Kansas and Washington in Washington DC. So, anyway, we're very close.

She goes to all my campaign events and I just love her like crazy. She's my best friend. So, we've been married for 44 years. I felt called a ministry when I was 16 and went off to college, right out of high school,

I've been the seminary in Dallas, Southern Methodist University. And then came back to Kansas City and was invited to start a church by my bishop to start a new United Methodist Church. We started with four people in a dream

and our aim was to reach critical thinkers.

We wanted people to know you don't have to check your brain at the door when you come to church. And over the last 36 years, the church grew from four people to 24,000 people and our focus is on serving the community. I mean, bringing people to faith

and then turning them inside out and saying, okay, we look around at our community and see, where does the community not look the way it's supposed to look? And how do we close the gap between the world as it is and the world as it's supposed to be?

And so for us, that's been serving the community, especially working with children. We've had partnerships with 13 schools in Kansas City and the lowest income communities. We have thousands of people who volunteer in those schools.

We have, you know, we provided books for kids. We provide food for communities that don't their food deserts. With a larger source of blood and Kansas City, a larger source of beds for kids who don't have beds. So anyway, that's the kind of church that we are.

And I love these people. And I never imagined leaving before I retired four years from now. But I've watched over the last year and thought, this is just not okay. What's happening in Washington is not okay.

It's hurting people and somebody's got to do something. - What was it in particular? Well, there's a parade of horrible in DC and there have been a lot of bad things ever in DC for a long time. It was about to cost.

Can I cost? - Do we cost? - You can cost, sorry. You can cost if you want to. - There's a lot of bullshit in DC for a long time.

What prompted it? - Sure. So I was watching things.

First of all, it started on an inauguration day

and there were three of the executive orders. I don't even know which they were. But I remember thinking, that is not okay. That's not consistent with our values. I was watching things like USAID being dismantled.

I was watching the one big beautiful bill was passed and it was going to cut people off of Medicaid who were low income people or children. 10,000 kids in Kansas lost their snap benefits. Thanks to the work in Washington, DC,

which my Republican opponent supported. He approved those things. He went along with it.

“So I think about 36,000 people today in Kansas”

who had health insurance in January of 2025. They don't have it today. That's just not right. There are a lot of those people, whether the subsidies were rolled back

and like a woman in Hutchinson, Kansas who told me her health insurance was now $3,000 a month. More than her house payment. She couldn't afford it and so she was gonna go without health insurance and she's my age and I'm thinking,

what happens is 62 when you cancel health insurance about the time that you most need it. And again, so that has a ripple effect. It leads to closing your rural hospitals. Kansas has 28 rural hospitals

that are in danger of closing. The most in any state in the union. And all of these are things that, it's one decision after another. It's the tariffs.

This is not normal.

“This is not how Washington is operated before.”

Even with all the BS that's happened or Washington, this is not okay. And again, I kept waiting for Roger Marshall to speak up and say, hey, Mr. President, this is not okay. I have these arguments with him while I'm in the shower.

I mean, he wasn't in the shower with me, but I'm having these arguments and I'm like, I have to do it. I'm like, dude, you have got to speak up. These, you were not hired by the Trump administration

to be his spokesperson. You were hired by the people of Kansas to be their champion. And you seem very close to him I'd watch his social media and, you know,

a lot of pictures with him, the president. And I'm like, you have an opportunity to say to him, Mr. President, this policy, these tariffs, these things, they're hurting people in my state.

But he never seemed to say that.

He just made the case for the president on Sunday talk shows. And I thought again. - In Trump, we trust you. - In Trump, we trust you. - Yeah, I think on that. - Here's one of the reasons I'm doing a little bit of politics

and we've got back into the issues that animate you. But one of the reasons I wanted to have you on, why I'm intrigued by Kansas, is that, I can't actually, unlike some of these other red states, I'm in Louisiana, unlike us.

Like there have been some notable victories for Democrats and candidates. There have been some Democratic governors recently, the ballot initiatives on several issues of ballot initiatives yesterday, on the judges.

Actually, there's a lot of judges who are appointed by Democrats or Republicans in the state. We're trying to change the way that the Kansas, so I mean, court has made up. So they can put more judges to direct ballot.

“I think they presume in the hopes that there'd be more”

conservative judges that would go to the court. So I look at that, and I think, you know, I mean, Kansas voter is recently have not been totally informed in voting for Republicans. And then you look at particularly tapping the farm economy.

Admiral America, I think it's getting hit the hardest right now by the way that Trump has managed the economy. So for those reasons, kind of look at Kansas, and I think that's potential opportunity. Why?

What do you see as a path?

Well, first of all, you're exactly right.

In 2022, there was a ballot initiative that was aimed at ultimately, it was aimed at taking away a woman's rights to choose, and giving that right to make decisions to the Kansas legislature. Kansas voters rejected at 6040.

I mean, it was a surprise to the entire nation that Kansas voters did this. And so you think, well, Kansas is a deeply red state. There's a lot of blue in Kansas too, but there's a lot of reasonable people who are in the center.

I mean, we're the heartland of America. We're the center of our country. But in so many ways, there are thoughtful people, Republicans and Democrats, you say, this is just not okay.

And that happened again with the ballot initiative to elect Supreme Court justices as opposed to them being appointed to a real rigorous process. And Kansas rejected it again. And despite the way that it was pitched

by the side that wanted to see change, our Kansas governor, Laura Kelly, a Democrat, elected to two terms.

“And but in Kansas, the kind of Democrat you have to be”

if you're going to get elected.

And it just happens to line up with who I am, is the ability to work across the aisle. It's somebody who's going to say, look, I care about Republicans too. And we need really good thoughtful Republicans

and Democrats working together. That's what I've done at the church. I served, I 24,000 members, 35% of Republicans, 35% of Democrats, 30% are independent. And they work together and they serve together in the community.

We don't ask the question when we go visit somebody in the hospital or you're a Republican or a Democrat. We just show up. And so Kansas are those kind of people. Do you have any church members have had to say,

sorry, Pastor, I'm going to have to be for Roger Marshall. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I haven't people come up to me and say, hey, you know, Pastor, I love you as my pastor, but I'm a Roger Marshall fan or I'm a supporter.

And I'm like, that's okay. You know, I'm his friend. I'm like, I'm glad he has friends. That's no problem. You know, it's okay.

Just please pray for me. And so that's, that's the kind of church we are. You know, it's like it's okay to disagree. And I think Kansas also are there, where they think it's okay to disagree,

but what they want is thoughtful people and not people on the extremes. Kansas is not a state that values the people on the far edges that are kind of pulling us apart as a country.

Their folks who are saying, they want to be reasonable. You know, they're willing to engage with people on the other side. So yes, I'm at the path forward. So I've traveled across the state of Kansas three times now

as a part of my listing sessions and then moving into the campaign. And what I've heard from folks is, you know, even those who supported Trump and voted for him three times,

they said like, we voted for him three times, but the decisions being made and Washington are hurting our ag economy. The tariffs, you know, with a tweet and a tariff, trade agreement that took years to negotiate is undone.

Or, you know, small business owners who say, I talk to a guy and he said, you know, we lost $80,000 on a contract for a part we're making for the F-35. Because we had to import aluminum and get from Canada.

And, you know, the tariffs sent the price that up and we couldn't recoup that in the contract. So we lost $80,000, he has 61 employees. He's like, how long can you lose $80,000 on a contract and not start laying people off?

He said, this has been a disaster. Or one of our largest companies in Kansas who told me the same thing. Many of these are, you know, business people who typically would align their interest with align

with the Republican Party. But they're saying, this is not the Republican Party we know and this is not good for us.

And sometimes they whisper it, sometimes they're allowed about it. They're like, I'm a Republican, but I'm for you. We need you. And some of them switch their party affiliation

to say, hey, you know, I want to be able to vote for you.

“- In the primary, you mean you had to switch affiliation?”

- In the primary, yeah, yeah, yeah. And in the primary 20% of Republicans voted for Roger Marshall's opponent who is really, he has no name recognition. He did nothing really to campaign.

But that was a statement of Republicans saying, this is not okay. What's happening is not okay. It's hurting Kansas and Roger Marshall's not speaking up for them.

- Your church is in sort of in Kansas City, right, basically?

- Yeah, I would work right on the Kansas side. - Yeah, so you said you've been traveling to Western Kansas to kind of have these conversations. I've done that drive a bunch down I 70. I grew up in Denver and my family's all from St. Louis.

So that's a long drive, you know? There's the time changes. There's the Eisenhower Museum. I remember with my youngest brother on that drive one time. And we are counting cows.

And that is like what else should we count? And I was like nothing else to count. On this drive besides cows and when you use the toddler, and so, you know, there's a cultural gap between haze and colby and salina and what's happening in suburban Kansas City.

And I'm just kind of wondering how you're bridging that if there are any issues where you think that you're aligned with them more maybe the National Democratic Party or if there's other ways you're trying to connect

with that part of the state. - Yep, what the people in Kansas and by the way, Kansas is a beautiful state. I agree with you that it can be a long drive across I 70,

but you got the Flint Hills you drive through first.

They're like awesome. And then you get the sunflower fields and you got the wheat fields and you see, for me as somebody who's grown up here, I just love the state.

I think it's beautiful. - I'm happy for you. Everybody's got a lobster. (laughing) - So across the state of Kansas,

part of what people are looking for is they wanna know, are you gonna represent us and are you gonna be our champion or are you gonna be a champion for the party or for some particular person in the party? And you know, people ask me this way, they'll say,

well, so Chuck Schumer tells you to do something. What are you gonna do? And my answer is, if it's good for Kansas, I'm all in, but if it's not good for Kansas, my answer is no. We're gonna do what's best for the people of Kansas.

I'm gonna fight for them. And that includes, you know, and a lot of those things are things that are good for everybody. So ending the tariffs, having a real policy around tariffs and the president not deciding in the middle of the night,

that he wants to change a tariff because he felt insulted by somebody, but instead Congress playing a role and making sure that we know what are the cost of tariffs, what's the benefits and why are we doing it?

“Or, you know, I think about alternative energy”

and, you know, cross Kansas today, we are the fourth largest producer of wind energy in the United States. If you drive across Kansas, you're not just counting cows anymore,

you're counting wind turbines. - On your losers. - Exactly. Trump said this week, anybody that has turned out to lose her. - I don't know, if that I put Roger Marshall crossways

with him a little bit. - Well, it might or Roger might just go along with that, but we've got huge solar fields, you know, massive solar fields. That's good for the farmers. That's good for Kansas in terms of our clean energy.

It's good all the way around. But again, that's where interest of Kansas in real areas align with interest for clean energy. Anyway, there's so many things, there's so many places where I'm talking to people

and they're saying, we have to do better and part of it. So I want to share the story with you. Had a guy in Holden, Kansas and he came up to me and he said, "Hey, I just want you to know I'm a single issue voter." And usually when you hear that, what do you think?

- Abortion or Trump typically is a abortion.

- Yeah, yeah, here's what he said.

I'm a single issue voter. I won't vote for anybody who doesn't believe that we're supposed to love our neighbors. We love ourselves. And I thought, that that's just so good.

I mean, my only response was amen to that. That is exactly how I feel and what I'm running on is for us too. So yes, there are serious things we got to do in Washington. It's not okay for 36,000 people to have their health care cut off.

We're all hospitals to close as a result. Children are not receiving their snap benefits. And now, because they don't get Medicaid or SNAP benefits, they don't qualify for free and reduced lunch program. Nobody in Kansas thinks it's okay to do that.

But it's also not okay to impose tariffs that end up harming Kansas agriculture.

“So we lose trade agreements that are really important”

for Kansas or USAID, which was purchasing three to five percent of Kansas grain and sharing it with other countries. That was not good for Kansas when we did that. And it wasn't good for those of the countries. So there's so many places where decisions

in Washington are hurting the rural areas that people are saying, look, I don't want some extremists. I don't want somebody on the far end in the Democratic Party. But if there's somebody who's reasonable who cares about us who genuinely cares and wants to work with Republicans

and treat us as though, you know, treat us with respect, we're interested and work with that kind of Democrat. I don't know if there's anything that you said that Joe Biden might not have said, though.

And so I do wonder if you have any-- and he obviously did not win Kansas. So I wonder if you look at the National Democratic Party if you have disagreements with them, whether they be policy or strategic failures

that disconnected them from the state? Sure, well, Joe Biden lost Kansas in part

they were open borders. There were so many people streaming across. And Kansas was a little nervous about that. We have immigrant labor. You go to the southwestern part of the state

and the meat packing industry and the livestock industry needs immigrant labor. But what they're nervous about is people, massive numbers of people coming over and it felt like to them that Biden just sort of opened up the borders.

That may not have been accurate,

“but that's how it felt for people in Kansas.”

And so I would say things like that. You know, when the perceptions of Democrats in Kansas which I don't think are accurate, but it's how people feel open borders. You know, so I'm not in favor of open borders.

The Democrats I know are not in favor of open borders. They're in favor of safe and strong borders, but we're also in favor of allowing a legal pathway for people to come into our country. And so you know, I think of things like that.

When I first told my dad, that was running for office,

he said, and I was a Democrat. He said, "Well, are you a communist or a socialist?" I'm like, "Dad, I'm not either one of those things. I am an independent-minded, moderate Democrat who really cares about people."

And that's part of why I'm a Democrat, as I care about people and social safety nets, and being concerned for vulnerable people on the poor. And so anyway, any of those perceptions of what Democrats are and sometimes we see a reality behind that,

that's not who we are in Kansas. And so I would say those are places where I would disagree with the Democratic Party. And I would say, you know, a lot of Republicans will say to me, and Democrats too, "Hey, I'm concerned about all the things

you're concerned about, but I'm also concerned about the deficit. I'm concerned about leaving a deficit for my children or my grandchildren. What are you going to do about that?" And so that idea of fiscal responsibility,

which feels like the Republicans have forgotten, even though they claim that they're the party of that. - So you'd be the one that wants to balance the budget and the Senate, that's nice, and we'd have to start with one. - Yeah, exactly, there you go.

- That'd be good. I do think a lot of voters feel like the Democrats are godless. You know, whether that's fair unfair, I think there was a period of time where they thought the Democrats were liberal,

but they were church-going liberals, and now a lot of the Democratic Party is not. And so just by nature of being a pastor,

“I think that you're a little bit different”

for what some people's perception of the party's brand is. I just wonder how important you think that is, faith in God to your brand. - Well, it's very important. My brand 'cause it's who I am.

I mean, from the time I was 14 years old when I first decided I wanted to follow Jesus, this has been an important, not an importance. It's like a central defining story of my life. I wake up every morning, I get on my knees

and I just say, "Here I am, God, please use me. Guide me, lead me. Help me to be a decent human being. Help me to love people and to be salt and light in our world."

And so that's just essential to who I am.

But it's also, I think there's a lot of Democrats out there. I don't remember the numbers, but it was something like 60% claim to have faith. But I think the Democrats are, I think they got turned off by Republicans

who were using their faith as a way of justifying some of their politics that were not very Christian. And so I think there are a lot of Democrats who are people of faith who have like, I don't want to be that.

And so I'm gonna be, I don't want to be pushy, I don't want to, so they're kind of quiet about their faith. And then there's others who, you know, who kind of reject the Christian nationalism and in the process, they kind of paint a broad, you know,

with a broad brush, all of Christian faith. But you're finding a lot more of the Democrats who are people of faith deciding to run for office. So I think there's five or six pastors who were running for either the House or the Senate.

Tellery goes, "One of those, obviously I'm another, but there are many others, some running for the House." And I think they're saying, "Look, when I read the gospels, what I'm seeing in Washington doesn't look like,

the things that matter to me." And I, given an example, this was a story from a few weeks ago, I was visiting with a woman who was in the grain industry here in Kansas. And after we were done, she said,

"Can I ask you a personal question on NH?" She said, "I don't mean any offense by that. I just, just I'm trying to understand, how can you be a Democrat and a Christian pastor?" And I said, "Okay, well, that's a good question."

So I said, "If you think about what Republican stand for, what do they stand for?" Physical responsibility, limited government, you know, strong defense, civil liberties, and a conservative sort of--

- So you're in a time machine? - That line, oh, exactly. - Yeah, that's right. - I'm just $2,000 in 11. - Exactly a long time ago, but I'm just saying, that was kind of what they had claimed that they were.

And I said, "Now, Democrats, what do they stand for? They stand for social safety nets, concern for the poor and vulnerable. They stand for education, they stand for helping people have a chance to, you know,

and stay stand for justice and fairness." And I said, "Which of those two sounds more like the Jesus of the gospels?" And she was quiet, and I said, "Because to me, the Democratic platform sounds like the Jesus of the gospels."

So I said, "You know, I value a lot of things about Republicans." And I know a lot of Republicans, you know, who have a deep faith. But I just want to say that when you ask me the question, how could you be a Democrat and a Christian, I'm going to tell you when I read the gospels,

and I read Jesus, I see a lot of the things that Democrats care about are things that Jesus cared about.

“And that's how I could be a Democrat and a Christian.”

- I mean, the pushback to you is obviously about abortion there. - Yep. - Yeah. - And that's what she said. And you know, my response to abortion, I told her, "I have two things I'd say."

First of all, as a pastor, I've been with women who are in crisis situations,

or women who are coming to talk about, you know,

And it was empathy and compassion that led me to say,

“"I think there needs to be safe and legal access to abortion."”

And I also believe this is a moral attention when it comes to abortion. And that moral attention comes out of my own story. My mom was 17, my dad was 16. When my mom got pregnant, they dropped out of high school. My grandfather told her that he would fly her.

My grandpa was a pilot with TWA. He was going to fly her to Switzerland to have an abortion. And my mom said, "I can't do it. I don't want to do that." And my grandpa said, "Then you can't live here anymore." And her mother had died at your before,

so it was a very chaotic time for her. And so she was kicked out of her house by her dad. And she went to live with my dad, who was 16 at the time in his house with his parents. They got married six months later.

And had the child three or four months after that. And I was visiting with my mom at the assisted living center the other day. And we were talking about this. She said, "I just want to remind you of my story. I know you'd have it forgotten."

And then she started to cry. And she said, "Adam, I can't imagine how much different the world would be."

"If I'd got on that airplane, you'd never been born."

And so for me, you know, she had a choice. And she chose to bring me into this world. And I'm here, and she got to vote for me the other day, and see her son's name on the ballot. And that was because of a choice that she made. And so for me, there's these two things that I hold together.

And this is what I shared with this woman. And I share with other people. I understand the moral tension. And I also understand the tension that it comes to empathy and compassion for people. And I don't want the Kansas State legislature making a decision for women about what they can or cannot do.

And nor do I want the United States Senate making that decision. I like hearing you talk about the moral, the balance of it, though, because I do think that a lot of Democrats have stopped talking about that. And just because it makes it feel like an easier conversation, but it isn't. It's a challenging one.

Yeah. One of the other Christian traits, mercy, forgiveness, you know, in office, people in office have opportunity to provide mercy. And you look at what this president is doing with that and the pardon process, I just kind of wanted to pick your brain on that, the way that they are using that power right now.

Yeah. So presidents, not just this current president, but other presidents of the past have at times pardon people that either were people who whose families made major contributions to their campaigns or otherwise had some influence with them.

“And I think, you know, if you're going to use presidential pardon, make sure it's not”

because you've been benefiting from somebody who's in that family of the person. There are times that that presidential pardon would be very important. But I think it, it so often smacks of corruption. It smacks once more of undue influence or conflict of interest. And that's happening in a lot of ways in Washington, DC right now.

We've got to get beyond that. And so many things I look at, I think that's such, like, no, if this was a Democrat doing with the president just did the Republicans to be up in arms or be like, this is horrible. This is awful. Well, they're what?

I mean, again, like the Hunter Biden pardon, for example, exactly the size here in the Democrats. Yeah. That was wrong. Exactly. And so I'll share the story with you.

I've shared it on every campaign trail stop. But liberal Kansas, I don't know if you've ever been there or not, but it's in the southwest corner of the state, a great town, and I had a chance to go there. And when I was done with my stump, I said, okay, I want to see something unique in liberal. And I said, well, go to the Wizard of Oz Museum.

So go to the Wizard of Oz Museum. And there's a, you know, Dorothy's house is there with all kinds of props from the movie. And then there's a museum. And then there's a yellow brick road and Dorothy is standing there, bronze statue. And if you push the button, it'll start playing, you know, we're off to see the Wizard.

So inside the museum, and there's a TV and it's showing that clip of Dorothy and Toto and her three trusty side kicks, the scarecrow, the tin man and the, and the lion, the cowardly lion. And, and they're singing as they're going to see the Wizard of Oz. And I was thinking to myself, what did the scarecrow need?

He needed a brain. What did the tin man need? He needed a heart. What did the cowardly lion need? He needed courage.

“And all of a sudden, I thought, that's what's missing in Washington DC right now.”

That's what's missing in the United States Senate. We have people who've lost their minds, you know, they're no longer thinking for themselves. They're doing whatever the present of the party tells them to do as opposed to saying, hey, these are big problems. So we got to work on these things and, and we need to use our powers of reason.

People have lost their heart, because I don't know how you vote on a bill. The cancels, 10,000 children off of SNAP benefits, or 36,000 people from health insurance. And not go, and not, not realize, hey, this is hurting people in the state where they elected me.

And then finally, I think we've got, and I'm going to blame the Republicans here.

A lot of cowardly lions up there right now. And these are people, I think there's a lot of them who know what they're voting for, what the president's doing is wrong, but they lack the moral courage and the political courage to say this is not okay. They're afraid they're going to be primary or picked on or bullied by their president.

And so they go along as quite little lambs, and they don't say anything until they get primaryed. And then on their way out, they suddenly find a backbone and say, hey, this is not okay. And it's like it's not moral courage when you already got voted out and you finally say something.

It's moral and political courage when you know, I may not get reelected, but I have to say this because this is not okay. And today we need more moral courage. We need, we need senators with a heart and we need senators who have lost their minds.

Oh, for three for Roger Marshall, let's do a two minute hate on him before we close. I told you, we're going to do some sending. He was a big supporter of the insurrection, Trump's effort around it. It was his first vote, yeah, his first vote as a senator was to vote not to certify the election.

The insurrection, like there's always six people who did that, how, how and those six

people, how in the world do you decide that that's going to be your first vote in the Senate is to make that choice to do a lie. And if we're going to do 10 commandments for him to do the Bible, I mean, it's a lie. He knew it was a lie. He didn't think that the election was stolen.

It wasn't particularly close election in 2020, which just like it was for states who needed to, and so he does that after the threatening to kill Mike Pence, that's a crazy vote. More importantly, it's like a mandacious vote. He was a lie.

And he knew it. I agree. 100%. He's a doctor who went things, Fauji should be in jail. He says, "Who didn't have a friend who took this vaccine and had a complication?"

Me, I guess. I have a lot of friends took the cannabis. Yeah, I didn't have any complications. I don't know. Well, actually, I know one person might have started a little bit, but, yeah, I mean, it's

interesting to see, you know, working to reduce the national institutes of health, choosing not to emphasize vaccination on diseases that we know these vaccinations are important. I mean, there's so many places where you just go, as a doctor, how are you saying that?

“I can't imagine that you, that's what you believe, maybe it is.”

And I think most pressing right now, who knows what is in Roger Marshall's heart, but or his brain, but he's been having to defend the Iran war and, like, the impact of this epidemic, on people's hands, as people in the country, and, actually, really trying to not to be in the minds. And that, like, this series of interviews, is going faster than the patient in this

present. From the latest, talking about the tax date, a few weeks ago, and it's been an American's going to get an extra $1,000. There's one end of your dollar agreement, as well. It's a fight for you, because there are a couple of quotes, or pretty striking, as

he was on news, Max, in April. Let's listen to that. How long do you think Americans will be willing to pay the higher energy costs? While we are confronting Iran, I mean, obviously, we know why we're paying it, but how long do you think we're going to be willing to keep paying it?

You know, that's an interesting question. I think back to my grandparents and their generation that served in World War II. Could you imagine, you know, trying to tell the President, look, you only got so many days to defeat Hitler or defeat Japan? We have to do it till we get the outcome that we want.

I hope it's weeks and not months, so I'm sorry, the gas prices are going up, but help us on his way. And your national security, yes, is even more important than your pocketbook.

So farmers paid a billion and a half dollars more for diesel fuel last year.

Their fertilizer would up 400% because the war in Iraq in Iran. The continued costs to people in Kansas, so buck 40 a gallon for gasoline, that's a hundred dollars a month for a family who's struggling to make ends meet. And his answer was to Kansas, you know, you just got a tight year belt, you know, this

“is really important, but it's really interesting to ask, why was this so important?”

You know, so this was a war that we launched. We launched the war. It wasn't like there was eight off Hitler over there who had, you know, was murdering millions of Jews and taking over the, you know, the entire European continent. It's not that I love the, I told us.

It's just that what we did, you know, and especially after he bombed one last year and said we've taken care of their nuclear capability, we were very effective in that and then we had to launch another war and an offensive war. So these are self-inflicted wounds and I don't, you know, I don't know how Roger Marshall goes and defense this, you know, he, whatever the, when the president shifts, well, just

skiers, Roger Marshall's there to defend him once more and I think, again, people in Kansas are asking and have been asking, did we really need to do that? Was that really important?

And the answer is no, there were, there were better ways and and are we going to come

up better as a result of this, it doesn't look like it looks like we're in worse shape, even if the war winds down tomorrow. Yeah. He also had no one has done more for American Ag and rural America than Trump and Rollins, like in Trump, we trust.

I think people have to be laughing about that. That is just, yeah, you go on and look at Kansas farmers and that is simply not the

“case and I think, and they know it, that's why when they hear it, this is why I'm saying”

this is a winnable race, you know, people haven't looked at Kansas yet, they were looking at other places, Michigan or you know, Maine or wherever, Kimpler Kansas, this is a very winnable race because we have a Democrat or Republican incumbent who is not popular. People are questioning people who voted for him last time or saying, not again, some of the ag industries are not supporting him, I mean, it's just, and I think I'm a candidate

who can who can win. So it's not just because Roger Marshall's a terrible candidate, but I'm somebody who will work to bring Republicans and Democrats together in Kansas. We are going to fight for the people of Kansas. I'm going to be a champion for them.

I care deeply about them and I live in Kansas, Roger Marshall, you know, when he's out of Washington, he's in Florida.

he was having listening sessions last year. Is that what I'm saying? Is that what he's got that tan? I don't know. I don't know.

“But I will say this, you know, his last listening session in Oakley, Kansas and people started”

raising questions and he just said, well, I'm done and he walked out and people across Kansas know that. Like this is a guy who's not here and he's not listening to the people of Kansas because if he was, he'd be, he'd be singing a different tune in Washington, DC. I've made my livelihood being a listener, caring about people, trying to solve problems.

And I'm going to be a fighter for the people of Kansas, Republicans and Democrats, and work to bring them together instead of dividing them. You said your church is the place where people don't check their brain on the way in. So, I'm going to come to you for some, some brain advice. I've got an eight year old.

I'm getting a lot of God questions lately. You know, grandma took her to church, I'm a cradle Catholic.

The old brain and the heart never really messed up for me on Etsy, you know, I have

fondness for it, you know, I like the hymns, I like some of the lessons, but I just, I can't get there and some of my daughters are asking me, well, okay, what do you believe? What do you think? How do you talk about that with people? How do you talk about people that have doubts about faith when they come to you?

Thanks for asking that. So I wrote a book last year, based upon what I've done across the years, it's called wrestling without finding faith. And I took the seven most frequently asked questions, people have it caused them doubt, you know, why is suffering happen, how do we reconcile that with God, what about prayer, you know,

what about people of other religions, how do we think about them and a whole list of other questions? I don't come in and go, well, let me tell you all the answers, Tim. Here's the answers and they'll finally solve all your problems. I'm going to say, look, everybody has doubts.

You read the Bible, you're going to find people of faith had doubts. There are Psalms that describe, you know, where are you, God? How come you're not here right now? Jesus is hanging on the cross, cries out, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

And so doubts, okay, it's not the enemy of faith wrestling with those doubts and asking questions.

If you really want to dig into the questions, there are some pretty good answers out there for some of those questions.

“And that's what I try to articulate in the book.”

It's just, here are some good answers, they, they help me make sense of things. They don't solve all the problems with they solve some. And when I talk with people and share with them, you know, look, I've had those doubts too. Here's how I see this.

And when I look at the world around me, you know, I see beauty and I see patterns. I see so much goodness and grace. I understand how somebody can say, let's just all, you know, we're fortunate to have this kind of world that we live in. I look at it and I think, you know, the cosmos points to me, to the beauty of a creator

who actually created all things. He doesn't make micromanage everything on this planet, but he cares about us. And I believe, you know, when I, when I look at creation, I find, I'm drawn to God. I understand why people aren't, but I find when I pray, when I'm singing, when I'm reflecting upon scripture, I find something that drives my life.

My values, my hopes, my dreams. I feel at peace at times. I feel God's presence in my life. And the church that I serve, so we started as a church for non-religious people. And about two thirds of the people are joined, our people didn't go to church before.

They dropped out of church Calacu, dropped out of church somewhere along the way. And found that there was something that they were yearning for or they had a sense. I or maybe a hope that there might be something more. So we interview scientists, we interview, you know, we do a lot to try to help people think to see that you can be a thoughtful person.

You can be a smart person and an intellectual and also a person of faith and they're not, they don't, they don't count each other out. You can be both of those things. But, you know, I understand why people struggle with faith. I have myself over the years.

I noticed that God wasn't non-binary and that story. Don't don't answer that. I was just joking. I had to do. And it was like, JD, Vance could learn some lessons from you.

It was recent day journey. Adam Hamilton, this been so pleasant. I appreciate it. We could do it.

“I could do a whole podcast on the doubts, but I think you're going to be busy the next few months.”

And then sometime we should do that. Maybe after I'm in the Senate, let's do that. They don't work in much. They don't work in much. Over there.

You sure. One of the long recesses. We can be that. Exactly. Appreciate the time.

Have you won over your dad? Not yet. No. I don't think so yet. Yeah, I'm working on it.

Hey, I do want to mention it. If you're folks want to find out more about me. Have them go to Hamilton for Kansas.com. For them, I've got some policies on there. There's a little video that just two minute video tells a little bit more about me.

But I'd love for people to realize that we have a real race in Kansas. And I believe on November 3rd, the anchors across the country are going to be going to look what happened in Kansas.

For the first time in 94 years, they elected a Democrat, wow, what does that mean for

our country? But the heartland of America, what they thought was a deeply red state is a place that elected a Democrat. And we're going to make changes in Washington, D.C., and I need people's help for that. So I hope they'll check on my website and decide to be a part of volunteering or helping

in some other way. But we need their help. I appreciate that. We'll send folks that way. Adam Hamilton.

Good luck on the campaign trail. Thanks for the time. It was great to be with you today. Have a great day. All right, much appreciation to the Big Bad Wolf Sam Stein for letting us get into the

more prudent side of politics.

Kansas Senate Primary.

I appreciate you guys so much.

“We'll be back tomorrow with a great Friday show, see y'all then, peace.”

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