Susan Glasser: The Irredeemable Republicans

>> Hello, and welcome to the Bullock Daily on your host Tim Miller, delighted to welcome back to the show staff writer with the New Yorker Co-host of its political scene podcasts, for most recent book is The Divider,

“called it with her husband and I think there's another book coming,”

it's Susan Glasser, what's happening? >> Tim, happy August, it's so good to be with you. Good to be with you, our friend and frequent guest of the show, David Frum, posted this on X this morning. I thought it was a good way to frame up the start of the conversation.

The war on the eastern front is lost, the economy is collapsing, his body is decaying, the leader escapes from intolerable realities into fantasies of monument building and renaming things for himself. That's pretty much the story.

>> I think it falls into the establishment of if I were a foreign correspondent, how would I cover this madness? And I'll tell you, Tim, because you're not here, I have this classic Washington and the age of Trump out of body experience the other day.

I was going across Memorial Bridge for the first time in a while,

and I was in an Uber and I was looking down at my phone, and I happened to look up at the exact moment these two gigantic golden statues were literally inches away from my car window. And I couldn't help myself, I sort of shrieked out. It was like, you know, I wasn't--

>> And actual shriek, like, audible shriek? >> I did, and actually the Uber driver was like, "Oh my God, are we getting in an accident?" I said, "No, I'm sorry." Just Trump's goldification of the city.

“>> Is that the gold, is that the gold fingering of the existing statues or does new?”

>> Apparently it's the gold fingering of existing statues. What we're living in here is the gold maxing of Washington, I guess, by Donald Trump. >> Part of my holiday was in Berlin and Paris. So I saw two arches and it took a little bit of the joy away. It was maybe the only time that I've let him invade my holiday, which was,

and the brand of her gate is fine. I must focus more on history. The art of Trump is awesome, but I just found myself thinking about how late. Really all this is was just Napoleon's small man syndrome wanting to create a bigger one. And it kind of took me out of the moment a little bit.

>> You know, it's really, it's so sad because for me, the brand and brigade and just standing there in that plaza is a reminder of what I suppose in hindsight was probably the best moment of our lives. We just didn't realize it at the time, which was the fall of the Berlin Wall. And the final end of in a way that World War II and the Cold War was in that moment. I was in college when that happened.

And I've always felt like it's so rare that you sort of wake up in one world and go to sleep in another.

“That's what that day in November of 1989 felt like.”

And I realize now of course that this sense that we had, which we really had, it hard to communicate that to young people today, but we really had a sense that this kind of moral arc of the universe that Barack Obama loves to talk about, that it really was bending in the right direction after a lot of twists and turns, and it's such a freaking tragedy. But for me, standing in that plaza in Berlin is always this incredibly positive thing.

So I really, really don't like that you're now connecting it here too. Yeah, I'm sorry. It was really more about the arc that we all probably felt it more, because the Napoleon Trump parallels Trump has stated them. He wants to be like Napoleon and Stalin interesting. Yeah, what did you know, I mean, let's pause for a second to say, Donald Trump is tune

Napoleon as Donald Duck is. I don't know, who's the great, who is a great duck? I don't know, we're going to keep working on this. Didn't actually Donald Duck, wasn't there a whole series where they had Donald Duck playing like historical figures? I feel like there was a kind of--

Maybe as like dark wing duck is to Donald Duck. We'll keep working on it. But yeah, no, that's fair. I mean, Napoleon has some bad marks on his track record, but yeah, to compare him to Trump is rude. The East Side Gallery gave it to me though. I did have some moments, like just like right at the sort of precipice of,

you know, kind of the East and West Berlin was pretty powerful.

I want to talk about the news. Minus 23,000 jobs for the last month reported this morning. Yikes. A lot of that is lots of public sector jobs, local public sector jobs and education, and otherwise, but there's like no job gains happening, essentially.

I'll always see how they do. They were pretty happy about the better than expected manufacturing numbers.

Five thousand manufacturing jobs were created, which would have been just a miniscule number during the Biden age. Huge downward divisions also for May and June and recent months almost three and ten of the unemployed have been looking for work for more than six months, greatest shares in the pandemic. We obviously have Catherine of Pelago's into the stuff in depth on receipts every Friday so you can go check that out. But just at the top line,

“the economic story is not good. Yeah, I think that's right.”

There's been a little bit of hopey I'm going on right in the kind of fox newsy corners where

they're looking for any explanation that isn't things are really bad in the country.

And people are believing Donald Trump and they're believing Republicans. I saw this morning Donald Trump saying, no, actually yes, people are really mad, but they're mad at Republicans. They're not mad at me, which is a pretty fascinating thing since he's demanded that the entire definition of Republicanism at this moment be dictated purely by his own whims and gets very angry if you say that Magga is anything other than whatever pops into Donald Trump's head.

So even Donald Trump is distancing himself from Republicans, which probably not the best political strategy. You know, I think the sour mood of the country, this close to a midterm election where history and approval numbers for the president and other fundamentals already suggested you know, it was going to look pretty tough for Republicans. This isn't what you want to see in August. At this point, another distraction, frankly, is probably Donald Trump's best hope.

And since he loves to run that play, I would say expect him to do something distracting. I'm going to try to offer some silver linings on this podcast. I get some feedback from listeners even from you, even from the guests that sometimes were a little too bleak when we get together. Here's my silver lining here. We're still getting bad numbers. I don't know. I think if you'd ask me in August of 2025 and you said, hey, in August 26, the job support is going to be disastrous.

Do you think that they'll put it out? I think I would have probably said no. So, you know, there's some and the bowels of the government there. I'm probably jinxing it by even bringing voice to this.

“That's how low we've dropped here. Like government reports are still being put out.”

That's the win. This is why the silver linings exercise is not always the most instructive one.

Analytically, the silver lining here. And I really actually don't love playing this game. But people are so astonished and amazing. It is jaw dropping. How focused the President United States is not on the economy, not on the war he unleashed in the Middle East, not on the sort of profound disruption of the workforce that AI already portends. But on his own projects like the gildification of statues in Washington, I know people were like freaking out about

Maggie Haberman saying the other day on a podcast that he spends like 70% of his time on these good legacy projects. But there is the upside, which is every minute that he's screaming at Janine Paro about not prosecuting an Olympian for ripping up the reflecting pool. That is a minute that he is not spending on further screwing up America. So you know, hey, I don't know if you can turn that into a campaign ad. But yeah, and some reports from a focus groups and folks more

Washington yesterday is that like even this, I guess it isn't surprising, but just I sometimes worry that I have about a vacation how I bubbled myself in the news. Sometimes I worry I bubbled myself inside, just like I listen to Maggie news, but in kind of inside high information people news, you know what I mean? It's like an hard for me to put my brain into like what kind of information is trickling to people, but like don't really read the news that much. And so this focus group

was kind of that. It was like some Trump voters that have concerns about him or whatever. And this did come up like the like the, like the hay, things aren't going well for us economically, and he seems to be focused on all the gold stuff. Right? Like that part is kind of matriculating out,

“which I think is notable. Absolutely. I mean, for me, actually, I do think one of the enduring”

images of, you know, Maggie and Jonathan's book regime change is that image of Donald Trump with a glue gun office personally applying that, you know, tacky, fake gold wood to the walls of the

representation of, you know, this elegant, simple, spare constitution of ours in which, you know,

we have this checks and balances. And instead, there's a crazy would-be king, glue and gold

“shit all over it. I mean, to me, that is like Donald Trump is the metaphor made manifest, right?”

And so I do think that that, it's simple. And he is a simple in a way, character, which is made and very effective as a political communicator, except that what he's communicating now is, I don't give a shit about you. And, you know, give me some more gold. It's kind of a left-brain right-brain thing, because for me, the Maggie thing that sticks with me from that book is just talking about how the adviser tells her 70% of his mind share is being spent on renovations. And that is

evident, because unfortunately, we get to look into his mind constantly every minute.

The economy, I want to tie a little bit to the tariff stuff, too. I say, you post about this,

and they're going to couple tariff items lately. We played yesterday a couple of clips from his rally with Jill and Bartow in the No Tax on Tips in Nevada, where they were talking about,

“you know, how important it is to be friends with billionaires, because they're the job creators.”

And in an interview with Fox, he has asked open-ended question. You're here to talk about the economy. What's your big message? Trump's reply. So, tariffs have been incredible. Then kind of goes on and then he gets into the kind of the refunds and he's like, but we're still getting so much money from them. Apparently, a hundred billion has been refunded. A lot of this companies are just eating, though, themselves, not getting passed down.

What's your kind of sense on all that? Yeah. I mean, a couple of thoughts. One, I do think that the kind of cycle of willfulness and ignoring Trump's adult lifetime preoccupation with tariffs has been responsible for a lot of misinformation flow to people the idea that just because this Supreme Court shot down his tariffs. He was just going to forget about them.

Was never realistic. He's looking for ever more exotic instruments to impose tariffs.

And it's an important example of the kind of bubble reality of Donald Trump and then reality reality. I noticed that there was a Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, of course, a respected economist in his own right. The other day pointing out that what has Donald Trump's aluminum tariffs on Canada done, it's coming back to bite American corporations who manufacture things and that they're the ones in many ways who are suffering from this

economic assault that Trump thinks he's launching on our neighbor. And, you know,

“multiply that by industries, by sectors over time. And I think you have part of the”

reason why people are so uncertain about the future and in such a sour mood, because Trump has offended expectations about the economy without being able to create any kind of a durable new normal. And how's it going to shake out? Donald Trump's theory, the case, was somehow that he's going to impose these magical tariffs and, you know, wave his golden Trump wand and companies are magically going to build new factories and create new jobs. Of course that hasn't happened.

Even if it were to happen, it would play out over years and decades. And the evidence, of course, strongly suggested it won't happen. Do you want to shout out my guys at the crown? It's a coffee shop in Oakland. I think what a short list from the best coffee shops in America. We've got this email because, you know, it was a big frequenter of there when I lived in Oakland. The announcing why we're temporarily reducing the coffee prices. We've long maintained the

tariffs. We're not just attacks on businesses, but on the people. We're finding creative ways to try and pay back that debt to our customers at the crown, passing the refund for the full amount of the crown's tariffed inventory onto our customers. Go support the crown if you're in the Bay Area. Now, I haven't been getting any mail from Apple. I don't think the buy found prices are coming back down a little bit. But there was a chart I was looking at about inflation. And inflation really

had got down on below wage growth in about 2023, right? Like towards the end of Biden. And I had stayed that way to the beginning of Trump. And it was really not until the, you know, it was inflation still a little higher than people wanted, but it was lower than wage growth. But it wasn't until the Iran war. You know, kind of the tariffs started to tick it up when the Iran war really gets it over. And that's something that people are feeling. Tim, you know, people talk

about the Iran war as if it's a simple matter of let's get the price at the pump back down to where it was before. The price of gasoline is essentially the price of all manufactured goods and even much of food in the world in which we live in. And I think that if only it were simply

of gas. You raise the price of energy. You raise the price basically of almost everything in a modern

society. And the history of Trump 2.0 is going to be the history of the folly of this man and what he's choosing to do in the second year of his second term. This segment is brought to you by the New York Times, one of the things Susan I get into in this episode. She says brutal story about the real impacts of the Trump immigration regime. But before we can give our takes on it, somebody had to report the story. Just like as we have Jonathan

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nationally locally, support fact-based reporting, thanks to New York Times. We have a rare opportunity on this taped podcast to do a cliffhanger. Okay, you ready for this? I was going to go to Todd Blanch next and talk to the Todd Blanch confirmation but Senator Bill Cassidy right as we're starting taping tweeted the following. I will announce my decision on the attorney general nominee at 1040 AM Eastern from the Senate floor.

Oh my god. So that will happen while we are taping. So exciting. Just so we can feel the excitement. So here it's just just for some bath for people. The Republicans can afford to lose four. I guess John Fetterman makes all this a wild card but that four senators, assuming the Democrats all voted against, Collins and McCouski have already said that they are no. Mitch McConnell's team put out a statement saying that he's alive and out of the

hospital and that he'll be back in September. We still not heard his voice. Strange that he's been cast a tie-breaking amendment votes on the Farm Bill which is I think unusual. Senator Bozman said that he's spoken to. So anyway, this you cannot do by proxy confirmation votes. So McConnell's out for another a few weeks at minimum and so Cassidy would be the tie-breaking vote

“in less Fetterman kind of tied it back. So it's an important announcement and I think we'll just”

do all the plans, covers at the end once we hear, do you want to do a prediction? So we've we've all to do make a prediction. Yeah predictions are bad. Dixons are bad. Let's just say this, Tim. Yeah. Bill Cassidy has every reason in the world to vote no. It doesn't mean he will, but it means that he has every reason to not least of which is that he's already proven that deciding vote

the final vote that got RFK junior over the top after proclaiming his deep unease as a physician with the idea of confirming a vaccine skeptic he went ahead and did it. So is that what Bill Cassidy wants his legacy to be? Can I tell you something embarrassing? We're in 2026, we're in year 11. My brain knows that we're going to keep being disappointed by these people, but there's a flicker in my heart right now that's like my Senator Bill Cassidy might do the right

“thing. I'm feeling it. I think he might just do it. And so I might have to be disappointed alive.”

If not, LSU Clemsons coming up in one month, check off. I'm going to give him a big, I'm going to go find him at the tailgate and give him a big hug if he does the right thing. So we'll see end of the podcast. You're one of his constituents now. I am one of his constituents. Yeah. What was planning before he sent that tweet while we were podcasting was I was going to tell people by fellow Louisiana to listen and there are many of you to call him and be nice to him and

invite him to the, all right, well they've not, they've got 16 minutes. Yeah, well that's not good work. So we can't, we can't do that now. So if he does the right thing calm and thank him. So I'll tell him to bring a little cup of jumbo lia next time you see him. All right, we'll see. We'll get back to Todd Blanch at the end. In that case, I want to do, I felt remiss coming back

highlight to stories in particular that I saw this morning, paging through the real news, you know, you and your college New York Times. And even in the surprising outlet that I'll get to actually

second, there was some real news. This was New York Times. We're now back descending Vietnamese

and other Southeast Asian refugees from like half a century ago, back to Vietnam and other places. The Melissa Tren's story stuck with me really though. She was born in Vietnam. She arrived in United States in 1993 as an 11 year old after living in a refugee camp in Philippines. So she's refugee her family settled in Fairfax at age 18. She made a mistake. She stole from her workplace, a doctor's office and ended up getting a four month sentence. And after that, she's had a clean record.

She's now 44 years old. She has a husband. She has four children. She's a small business, small business owner in Fairfax. And we have deported her to Vietnam. The place she doesn't

“really remember or know, know anybody. And this is like where they are now. Like they said they're”

going up to the criminals. But now, so now you're going after, you know, you're you're paging

through or having AI page through criminal records from 20 years ago, 30 years ago. And she's like, I got, you know, I did some bad shit when I was 18. I'll tell you. I got lucky that I avoided the long arm of the law. When I, I don't know about Susan Glass, I was probably following the rules when she was 18. But to think that we're going to deport a woman that four children, small business owner, to place she didn't know a refugee, it's crazy. A lot of what's happening

right now is a moral steam on the United States. And it's hard to speak in those terms and in a political environment, it which there's so much incentive to excuse that which is done in your name if it's by your team. It's very hard to excuse a lot of this. What I find that makes even more painful is that so much of it is a direct challenge to the idea of America itself. And

“you know, if you, if you want to be even more bummed out, listen to the speech that Ronald Reagan”

gave before he left office at the end of his second term. And even if you grew up like I did not exactly a fan of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, you should listen to it even more so if you were in a fan of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s because it will blow your freaking mind. And you'll say, what has happened to the Republican Party that it doesn't believe in the core vision of the country that led basically all of our ancestors with a small exception to come to this country.

And that to me was always the thing that that actually did United us, right, is that everybody

had their parents, their grandparents, their great grandparents come to this country and that we're all a mix. And that it was the great opting society in which everybody had the chance to start over.

“And I feel like that's what's been under assault these last few years by Steven Miller and Donald Trump”

is the basic notion. And you know, the fact, of course, that Donald Trump, you know, is the product of a draft Dodger who came here from Germany and had opportunities you could never possibly had in Germany is, you know, thanks a lot. Yeah, I mean, he could have been a prison guard in Germany probably. What would this be? I think we're the board podcast, who ought to be if I did not play for people just a segment of my favorite part of the Reagan farewell dress. So we're just going to

induct that in right here. I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind, it was a tall proud city built on rocks, stronger than oceans, wind swept, god blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with pre-ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were opened to anyone

with the will and the heart to get here. I say the Ronald Reagan for you. You did. I know. It's like, hey, this is kind of like when you go to somebody's house and you try to, you know, buy by their, you know, they don't wear shoes around the house to take them off. And I want to talk about Ronald Reagan. Yeah, exactly. They pray before supper, you know, you value your head and prayer and I'm sure there's some Jewish traditions come to your house. So,

you know, that's nice. You come to the board. You cite Reagan's farewell address. We play a little bit of faith. That's it. It's a banger. This story, I very mixed use on it has it all. I guess I got a

three time trump voter who is not happy about his encounter with trump's immigration deportation police on a play a little bit of the report from this morning. I voted for trump. I am saying that they are picking up law and biting citizens. They're destroying families, jobs. John Ganon is a 75 year old businessman and life-long Republican who supported president trump in 2024. I wouldn't do that again, not after this fiasco. His fiance, 45 year old Venezuelan immigrant Yasmin Swadis

Regis was detained by ICE at George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston in L. July 8th, I say James Swarmed Jasmine and the tanger didn't tell us why and Russell are off into a car.

Jamie to go first. Now is this this is one of those like you know leopard face-eating

party you have shocked by leopard face-eating behavior? I guess you know it's one of those things but it's like it's nice to have John on board, water's warm for everybody. I hope you vote for James Tellerica, Giananoza and Texas. You know no empathy for the Haitians who came here legally also were smeared. We're told that there are pet eaters you know are going to be not deported back to a hellscape but okay if we need the face of kind of the victims of the immigration regime to

be a 75 year old businessman who's sugar baby is getting deported who is here legally via a

“asylum maybe that's maybe that's how we break through in the Dallas suburbs maybe he James should”

bring him to a campaign event but I don't know a lot a lot on back. I was watching the story and I was like oh his wife got deported that's interesting. I was like oh okay hey love comes in many ways I'm pro. This is their new tactic and I do think that it strikes me as something that's very very likely to backfire with people there there's been a lot of shock videos seen in recent weeks of ice agents at airports taking people out that people find that very jarring disturbing

it's a setting which you don't expect it and it it's clearly reflects enormous pressure on these immigration agencies to step up their number of arrests they've gone very very far

from this idea that we're just going to be deported what Trump would always call the worst of the

worst obviously somebody is you know peaceful law biding employed 44 year old wife is not

“the worst of the worst and people have been in the country for decades and I think it it represents”

something that's not a surprise to the big news consumers frankly on the right or the left but it's that less plugged in undecided middle that's vanishingly small that has been deciding elections in this very polarized country and so I think it's the paradox right like the less you know the more power you have in our politics depending on where you live so those are the people who are now showing up in these polls and I do think if you look at these numbers it's not just the

Donald Trump has bad numbers right he's always been a polarizing figure it is interesting to me

that you're seeing the softening of Trump support among Republicans lifelong Republicans like our friend there on CBS Republican leaning independence younger male voters that exactly the people who essentially swung the election to Trump in 2024 the thing that is substantively about that story is that you know what he mentions is that she came really gly I do think it's weren't just continue to really say that like they like in their kind of nativists conferences they have

to like it doesn't count if you're an asylum if you're TPS because Biden lets you in and that Biden went around the process blah blah blah but it's like as far as these people are concerned they're living their lives they didn't swim across the Rio Grande they didn't overstate their visa they came through a legit process had temporary protected status or had asylum status lived their lives were engaged to be married I guess to correct myself I guess I was his fiance worked

my patients were working you know kids in other kids to school and it's like okay now they're

“you're going to treat them like a common criminal I think you're put out there for it is also”

good as true people are anxious in the airport so I just thought going through secure it's you know it's it feels more like he's Germany to circle us back to the top than America yeah you mean you've you feel uncomfortable when there's like massed our men snatching people in the middle of

a moral stain on our country that people who came here as refugees from some of the worst

“most violent dysfunctional societies in the world following the rules as we said them at the time”

that America is so rich and distanful that we're going to change the rules after the fact to screw over a bunch of refugees who come from the toughest places in the world you know it's it's it's very it's very hard to imagine that this is what Americans whatever your ideological point of view that this is what you want it's hard to believe that the summer is coming to an end now I refuse our fuse our fuse technology and the summer forever summer in my mind okay some of you people are

fall people fall people are so strange to me but some of you people are fall people not me come from

a long line of anti fall people my mother had a fall funk my aunt had a fall funk I just talking

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news we can wish happy trails to Andy Ogles two term Republican congressman earlier this year he posted on social media Muslims don't belong in American society pluralism is a lie he's also posted at home a sexuality has no place in America so it's just gonna be in the

“Muslims on our way out for him because personal life is not what I would do he was one of the”

guys with the Christmas cards with the kids and the weapons he had to go funny for a stillborn child's burial grave obviously that's so tragic but apparently he stole the money from it allegedly there's some investigation into that he lost a primary Republican voters we've been meaned to Republican voters this week because they voted for Thomas J Smith over the Muslim guy that or the guy with the Muslims on a name excuse me that Trump endorsed they booed the

cop with the Muslim name who died in the line of action also veteran and so you know Republican voters not covering themselves a glory this week but apparently in this district they're like gang of the ogles that's enough we've had enough for you so that's good good no nothing okay all right I'll play you know as sort of a silver linings bingo here silver linings play rock no alright I'm here by any ogles piece out that's all that's good I already

foreign positive just wanted to take a political thing on the other side of like it's kind of related the Democrats did this last cycle and there was all of this kind of like elite pearl clutching I'm not wearing my pearls pearl clutching up like oh the Democrats are putting money into Peter Myers district to support the insurrectionists because it'll make them easier to beat and you know there were panels on cable news and in a center of being like the bad Democrats I thought

you cared about democracy that was why she's like you know that's a tactic I you know that's a illegitimate tactic in politics and I don't really think a lot of these Republicans that they were opposing and exactly been huge defenders of democracy and Peter Myers did them each move up but then after that like was pretty Trumpy so anyway that's either here or there Republicans are doing that with the note because they don't ever do this rending of garments and

replaced themselves in the Democratic side I'm not sure this has got enough attention for that reason a Francisco Hong the DSA candidate running for governor in Wisconsin who doesn't like any

plus in Wisconsin right now from Republican groups that are trying to push her forward they think

“she's the weaker candidate there's one or few of any thoughts on that tactic and that was”

Wisconsin governor's race sciad anything kind of going on in that the Democratic side of the discourse look you know putting aside any value judgments here of course they're doing that of of course they're doing that the woman as far as I understand it the way they're portraying her is she's against Thanksgiving she did a some cleanup on that on political and said that she likes very popular holiday I personally favor Thanksgiving it is my favorite holiday I like to cook

on Thanksgiving and I like Thanksgiving so you know Republicans this year they're like kids in a candy store when it comes to you know the DSA platform and any statements ever made by DSA candidates I feel like those are the people who are giving all the page views to you know the the Democratic Socialists right now because what else do they have to run up you know they're not going to defend Donald Trump's record it's much easier to scare people than it is to defend

indefensible things like dragging people's fiancees you know out of the line and in the airport and

“of course they're doing that they would be stupid not to do that I just think you should make”

Wisconsin Democrats just take second look if the Republicans are putting three million plus in

to try to make her the nominee at the support and seat the governor of Wisconsin being a Democrat and 28 is pretty important if the Republicans try to do what they did in 2020 was important Democrats in or in a couple cases I guess Ravens were in campaign for good Republicans in these offices that prevented their attempt to steal the 2020 election and in Syracuse time Tiffany the Republican nominee he signed on to the lawsuit the Texas lawsuit that would have negated the votes

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want to talk about the last time you're on but these reports are still trickling out about how the US Intel is warning that rush is looking into attacks in other NATO territory this fall to try to further disrupt the alliance yeah i mean i think what's what's really striking is that it's not just that the war between Ukraine and Russia is continuing but in some ways it's changed pretty dramatically in in recent months and you've seen on the one hand a Ukraine has had a great success in striking

deep inside Russia using their drone program hitting Russian oil refineries hitting most recently

“Russia's largest e-commerce site and you know that's how to huge impact you know bringing the war home”

to mask-alancing Petersburg making Putin feel the cost of it Russia is experiencing right now the greatest energy crisis it has since the fall of the Soviet Union you know and this is really something remarkable for you know one of the world's largest energy producers and so you've had Ukraine kind of untethered since we're no longer giving Ukraine any aid obviously we don't get to impose

the Russian response there has been to escalate these ballistic missile attacks on civilian

targets I should really emphasize that people may just think turn around the one hand on the other hand it's not Ukraine is attacking military and infrastructure targets in Russia Russia is responding by knocking the crap out of apartment buildings where people live in cities across Ukraine so that's happening and there's also a clear sense that what is shaping this U.S. intel assessment that

“I think is so important for people to understand is what is Putin's history it's when he's in a corner”

he tends to escalate and I think the fear is that Putin when things are looking even more unwinnable in Ukraine that he may be looking to take the fight outside of the borders here to poke NATO to show that the U.S. certainly is not prepared to respond to an attack on a NATO member in the Baltics for example there have been increasingly worrisome probing attacks that I feel like I got an almost no attention here in the US for example just the other day there was what appeared to be

an explosive-filled drone at an airport in Germany near a Ukrainian aircraft I think you've seen other examples of drones that may be associated with Russia disrupting civilian air traffic in other airports across Europe in the last couple years and you could see more cyber attacks you could see a lot of ways in which Russia may seek to take the fight outside of Ukraine in the next few years and I think we're not really prepared for it European publics are probably not prepared for it

and frankly I just think it's a matter of time when you talk to like other people like I and obviously for people don't know you spent a lot of time in Russia covering it and still have speak to informed policy experts and elected and leaders in Europe like what is like their scale of concern about this? I think it's enormous I think there is a recognition that there is essentially a time clock that we're on we don't know exactly how long it's going to be but

“look at Iran's success as well as Ukraine's in modern asymmetrical warfare right I mean that's what's”

happening here you're taking drones in the case of the Iranians that cost maybe $40,000 shooting them off of small boats in the straight-of-war moves and the United States military has been

expanding $2 million interceptors to shoot down those $40,000 drones unsustainable a lot of

people warned about that at the beginning of this conflict sure enough we're now seeing stories come out of the Pentagon that the U.S. supply of these munitions has dangerously dwindled that means not only fewer munitions for the U.S. and it's conflict in the Middle East it means fewer things like that for its partners in Europe even if Donald Trump woke up tomorrow and decided he wanted to give more concrete assistance and eight hackums to the Ukraine he doesn't have them anymore to give

that to moment that Russia and possibly China may find just simply two tempting not to take advantage of the security environment in the world right now is far far more unstable and dangerous than it was a year ago. The great scheme of things we've been able to catastrophize like some of the stuff has been relatively limited but what Iran has done on airports and hotels you know in like Kuwait Qatar and Bahrain you know I can for us should did decide to do that to test I don't want to

bring this into existence by a game of specific country but just started like doing those types of attacks against countries that were supporting Ukraine and supplying weapons for Ukraine. It's not catastrophizing Tim it's happening the seven different states found their water systems

“the target of hacks here in the United States already remember this is the one you might have missed it”

I said it was no Trump said it was Tim walls I learned it I came back. Trump said Tim walls attacks his own states water system but of course it was it was multiple different states around the country and this is the scenario exactly that America's national security experts have been worrying about for the last number of years and maybe this one was the Iranians what happens we know that the Russians and the Chinese are already inside many of our

critical infrastructure systems a sort of deterrence as I understand it has sort of held sway

which is to say that they know that we have capacities to disrupt their own system to which is part of why you haven't seen the great powers directly doing this to each other yet but they are inside

and of course it's only a matter of time before it hits outside these active conflict zones

“remember the amazing Ukrainian operation in Russia it's just a urego where they”

hid the drones inside the truck and then you know brought them hundreds of miles into Siberian then unleash them yeah just talking to somebody the other day who really follows this closely that was just a urego the urego no longer need to do that they've already figured out how to make their drones so much more longer ancient they don't need the whole hollowed out truck the whole

incredible deception operation anymore they're able now to strike that deeply inside the heart

of Russia now from more than a thousand miles away I mean this just potential risk just like emphasis is even more how like stupid the Iran war is and how stupid it was we got our social into the situation that we're losing like these defensive capability so losing the munitions and the material that we had need in sort of situation I can and that picture that

“you paint right like where Russia really does do this in Germany and cetera other places and”

it's not really just a one-off but there but it's it's an actual even just a kind of a test campaign for a while it looks so stupid that we would be unable to defend against that because we had wasted

all of this material on a pointless war on Iran that has not only just gotten us nothing that

actually you know caused negative consequences indeed indeed it would I mean look it's not it's not catastrophizing these are things that are happening right now already all right well my silver line expert has totally failed I want to ask you about your colleague Evan Austin has his China story like a typical Louisiana and Bill Cassidy is late for his speech so we'll see if we get news on that one I want to know I'm willing you know he's your colleague

on the political scene podcast and you know arrived in New Yorker Evan kind of wrote about the ways in which we're losing the competition for the future of China one thing I would kind of use to sum it up is that you talk about how China's concentrating on AI biotech robotics batteries energy advanced manufacturing while we're increasingly focused on tariffs deportations building arcs if you're being nicer I guess AI but fossil fuels crypto oh okay here it is we got it he's

voting yes why did I hope him to him dude I just here I just tell you what's going on in my head I'm we're going to commit to check can I tell you what's happening can I tell you what's happening and by the way Evan's story is fantastic everyone should be yeah we're going to do with these ones and it's on at the end I'm Sarah Longlong I'm losing with football I do have some people that know Bill Cassidy and his wife seems like a nice person but in my brain I'm going okay he's

going to give the speech on the floor you're only giving the speech on the floor for two reasons right there are two possibilities one because you're a good old boy from the leasing and I have that wants to signal to your friends and the senate and your friends back home that when you're tired you're still on the team don't be mean to me at the tailgate don't be mean to me at the country club all right don't you don't got to yell at my face I'm still on the team if I still found a lot

of you a little bit maybe for some pharmaceutical company or something next year you got to answer my phone call that's one reason to it like really loudly signal you're on the team the other reason like the good angel reason would be that like you feel like this is really important anyone people know that it's really important that you don't think that the government should be targeting political foes just based on revenge and the vengeance of the president there was just I

don't know there's like a little Jimny cricket in me the thought maybe he wanted to do that to signal you know that he had good intentions in the end but no there aren't good angels in our politics

“right now and I think that's really not any good angels in Republican politics that's”

sure I mean it's really remarkable to me and a great epitaph for the so-called Republican

establishment which is to say that they would provide again and again the critical votes for the

most extreme aspects of Trump's program I think is the proof in and of itself that there is no such thing as a Republican moderator or Republican establishment because the Republican establishment are the hand maidens of this assault on America's norms and traditions look at this fucking quote I will vote for Mr. Blanche I'll be criticized for this vote what's new fuck you Bill Cassidy honestly oh my whole uh it's just this man was broken for me when he gave his

and protecting America's children and then voted for RFK anyways like how could you possibly

“have any shred of hope for that man after that moment okay because this isn't just some theoretical”

threat okay you know talk to the families in South Carolina whose kids are suffering in a measles epidemic in America in the year 2026 bill Cassidy owns that it seems to me as much as our cage junior as much as Donald Trump and so you know hey man that was the my case against that was because that was so obviously bad that maybe that you know there's a feeling of need for attention of guilt inside that's not that there's some humanity none I mean I know I know Susan I know you can't

say anything to to many people and he works and I feel about my own self Donald Trump for reelection in 2024 knowing all that I'd gone before it which is to say all of these people

what more do you need to know nothing I do just want to sit on the sentence for one second though

I'll be criticized for this vote what's new this is such a common excuse for the week and cowardly Republican establishment right this idea that oh these liberal critics the media the nettering neighbors the the the progressive you know bedwaters and pearl clutches they are going to criticize me anyway like they're to criticize me anyway so why should I have to do that

“thing right like and it even when I did do something good remember that one time it did something”

good they criticized me anyway they criticized me anyway so why should I do anything good if they're not just going to heat praise on me and throw flowers at my feet and and talk about

how of what a great man I am what's the point of doing the right thing what's the point of doing

the right thing why don't I just let our government turn into a corrupt gangster oligarchy where the president gets to target his political fellows and spy on them because they posted seashell pictures on the internet and do gullags and you know raid people at the airport so who tried to get here legally and the hope it's it's like the the day of jay like what plan just out of the day of jay is like not even in the ballpark of acceptable you know what I mean I get like takes the

“Nixon stuff and puts it on steroids times of pals like they're not even pretending to try to do”

fair fair impartial justice except for I guess judge you need this week and like they literally are targeting political fellows they're not at all investigating or looking into any of Trump's allies or corrupt partens it is blankly corrupt and billcasties like well if I say no to that though John Mitchell Nixon's attorney general ended up in jail god will know I would point out that cab blanch is not above the law and that sooner or later you know that option is available to

those who seek to restore a sense of the rule of law it's not going to come from the Republican party the Republican party is the Trump Republican party that's the thing that Donald Trump keeps saying and I don't know why his critics don't observe it even more like the point is not that there's going to be some hope remaining within this Republican party one of the results that we already know about from this election will be to consolidate even further Trump's ownership and control

over that party people like Bill Cassidy will be gone from the Senate and it will be even more overtly pro Trump Trump is which I'll take what I tell take I'll take you overtly trumpest over this crap I don't know I don't know I don't know what's Bill Cassidy how's Bill Cassidy any better what's that well that's the point that's exactly the point the system is broken to him and it's it's blinking red and we've got the message but so many people just didn't want accepted and I understand that it's

easier to keep some little flickering you know bit of hope alive yeah I mean my hope is pretty dim so if my little flicker is too much it's too great it's than we're in a really dark place we're deep in the caverns when my daughter caught the death some shows she was watching we're going to the down deep the deep dark we are in the deep we are in the deep dark if my flicker is too bright that the thing is I guess is like it

I'm besides being Louisiana it's being like God is like he voted to convict him he voted to convict him in ban and for running for office again so it's like you know you know you know you know you knew that you could not allow this person run for office and what was the reason for the

you got elected again the endorsement that election and what is he doing he's attacking the

“election the rule of law and your answer is basically what are you going to do if I try to stop”

them they're going to criticize me so I don't know who likes being criticized not bill Cassidy great doctor man only compliments allowed for bill Cassidy all right well at the beginning the green room at the beginning Susan said that I looked rested that I was looking lighter I forget what she is just at something that's less beaten down it's over it's over I'm back I got had a one week of kind of bouncy Tim tanned Tim and now I'm beaten down by the world

again and next week's going to be ugly on the pod so I just warn everybody for that so thanks for the transition on that season you know Tim you have now upset me so completely I'm sitting here thinking okay it's 11 a.m. can I back to bed? no it's really great okay where do you have my feeling very upset now let's remember our 10 20 a.m. cells they were they were cheerier than our 11 a.m. cells we were so innocent then one sentence on your friend Evan

Austin's article discipline not a reading it was really good and I don't want to give it short

“shred yeah the future made in China and I really think in a way it is we've spent the last”

our sort of proving the point which is that America's dysfunction is such a five-millimeter fire that we're really almost unable to process the extent to which in the real world as opposed to the kind of hysterical Trump world that we live in you know real facts on the ground are being

created by the Chinese that are going to reshape basically the structure of the global

economy that are giving China levels of dominance that even forget about 10 years ago even five years ago would have been unthinkable that percentage of the world's drones that are manufactured in China now the percentage of the world's electric vehicles the extent to which even AI which started out in America's research and development laboratories is now being pushed forward in in China the the way in which the sort of framework of unhole alternate society organized

completely differently the modern surveillance state it's all taking shape in China in ways that not only will be living with the consequences but I don't even think we're aware of the consequences and like anything it's probably the thing that people will look back on 50 years from now 100 years

“from now and say that's what was really happening at this moment but here we are in you know”

Trump's theater of the absurd all I can say my advice to your listeners if you're going across Memorial Bridge in Washington don't look up you'll be blinded by the gold and I think that's what's happening America's blinded by the gold right soon is going back to bed I'm going to

never say great don't listen to that man everybody else will be back on monday

with Bill Crystal thank you so much Susan love to the family everybody else have a great week and we'll see you all in my next life The Bull Work Daily is brought to you thanks to the work of lead producer Katie Cooper associate producer Ansley Skipper and with video editing by Dante de Chico and audio engineering and editing by Jason Brow.