The Big Suey: Dan Releases Erik Spoelstra (feat. Kenny Beecham)

- Welcome to the Big Suri!

- Presented by draft Kings. - Why are you listening to this show? - The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan-Lebittard podcast. - Sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that.

- In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. - I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

- I've done it. - And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. - This episode of the Dan-Lebittard Show is presented by draft Kings.

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“- You should get more Trista and due to in your life.”

They have great chemistry. The name of the show is Ally U. You can find it on YouTube at DLS Hoops. We also have a fellow enjoyer of basketball here. I think it's the ultimate enjoyer of basketball.

Though Trista and due to you might have some objections. - Not you Tony, Kenny Beacham is the co-founder of Enjoy basketball part of the NBA on NBC coverage. She's the host of Numbers on the board and small ball with Kenny Beacham at airs weekdays on NBC Sports.

Now, and Peacock, as do we welcome Kenny, your maiden voyage on the show. Are you more of an enjoyer of basketball than due to in Trista? Because I'm being told you're the ultimate enjoyer

of basketball. - I think there's room for a lot of people on this boat. I don't know if I'm the captain, but man, any time somebody tells me they're enjoyer, I feel great because I feel like there's not many of us left.

So thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. - Well, I think we need to adjudicate something. And I think you as the ultimate enjoyer of basketball, know the history of this.

Dan thinks it's very uncommon to call each other boo and boo in sports. I think it's quite normal. I call my own mom a hoe. So if we are playing hoops, listen, anything can go down.

- Kenny, what say you? - I mean, that's what the game is about, right? You know what? You've been tweaked. - He's trying to like this guy.

- He's trying to like this guy. - Part the cards. - Between the lines, you can do and say what you want, but once that buzz is over and everything's out, you go back to friendship.

So I'm team, say what you want on the court, for sure. - Trista misrepresents me. What I said is that you cannot say after the game that you respect somebody when that is disrespectful. - So it's a lie.

- Keep it between the lines, Levittard.

- Has never been an athlete, can you?

- I could tell. - I could tell. - He says I ran and that's the closest that he's actually doing to running. Are there too many jailens in the NBA?

- I would think that there's actually not enough. I think that the 20, 20 age draft class, the entire lottery should be jailens.

“I think it's the only way we can really counteract”

and have the team USA be better than team world. Moving on to more disagreeable conversations. Do you believe in this version of the Cleveland Cavaliers, with James Harden and the Hal? - I see what you rock it right now.

So I'll give you your love. Yeah, I do, I do, I do, I do. I mean, you saw last night how good, defensively they can be without two starters. I'm full and even though James has struggled

in many posties and series as we know, I'm completely in and I think it might just be like, the fact that it's new, you know, the NAACS have been around for a few years, the pistons can't really score.

So give me the new back court and I'm all in on the calves. - I've got another thing for you to adjudicate, I'm sorry. I've been Bismarckin' Cade and I'm gonna continue to Bismarck Cade.

I don't think he's even close to MVP in the universe in the conversation. If he wins the award, I think he needs to give it back, Kenny, 'cause he's not in the same world or stratosphere as yolkitch and SGA, what do you think about Cade

and the pistons here? Do you believe in them?

“- I think that Cade is a phenomenal player,”

but I would agree that if the 65 game won't prevent us from having shade or yolkitch's MVP, the net shows you that there's a true problem. Last night is a great example of the lows that it lows with Cade coming in hand.

I think it was like one made field goal in the second half.

And when teams decide to really scheme against the NAACS shooters on the roster, it can't get real ugly. You saw it last year in the playoffs as well versus the Nick. So I think Cade is a phenomenal player, but he is right now I think overtax as the only creator on that team.

And the pistons are our team. I have just a little bit of love for when it comes to the pro season, but I don't think they're truly, truly the team. That's going on in the championship this year. - Yeah, I agree, they're inability to make any moves

at the deadline to me was kind of bad, because replacing Malik Beesley and Tim Hardaway join your with Duncan Robinson who don't even make two dribbles. You lose out on that, so I agree with you about them pistons. Let's get to the real deal, type of gutter year,

look coordinate my brother. Now overwhelmingly online, people are saying that once you open that door, it's a slippery slope, 'cause I agree his sentiment is well placed, but we're gonna start caring about women, huh?

So we got to look at a lot of stuff in this room.

- Listen, I think that everybody should be entitled to feel how they feel.

“I am a person who I like to get out, you know what I'm saying?”

Hopefully you understand that, so I feel what he is saying, but I don't know, I feel like that's a bag of worms, man. I have no idea, this is one of those topics that I've been asked a lot about, and like, man, yeah, I ain't read the article, I ain't read the blog post.

I'll just act oblivious to the whole situation. So I'm gonna let Luke get his points off. I think there are some valid points in there,

but ultimately, I think it is a very small problem

at the NBA. We explain to the audience who don't, no, no, it's not just Luke Kornett, now I'll hoar for it is saying that as well, objecting to an Atlanta Hawks promotion that is magic city related and the idea of them celebrating

both strip clubs and lemon pepper wings as a professional franchise. So it's a bag of worms? - Yeah, I mean, I really saw it and thought about the wings before I thought about anything else.

So I'm a massive, I thought of magic city stuff. I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, I've had those wings before, but I think it is, I mean, it's one of those issues that is an issue, but ultimately not the biggest issue that we should be worried about.

It's one night, the way I think about it. - When you look at magic city and go to their website, it says premier destination for wings. That's what it says. Doesn't say anything about a strip club.

- Is it true? - Is it true? - That's true. - That's true. - That's true.

- That's true. - That's true. - That's true. - Now I feel like magic city is Disney World.

“You think I feel like it should be mentioned in the same breath?”

- Can he, maybe he'd stuck in play and purgatory down here? Do you agree with Levittard's contention that Eric Spulstra should finally be feeling a little bit of heat, a little bit of heat? - Wow, don't agree with it.

- No, no, I don't, I don't, I don't, I think that sometimes you see a team fire a gray head coach with thinking that the grass is going to be greener and then they spend 10 years trying to find a coach as good as the guy that just fire.

I think they've been in purgatory. I'm a bulls fan, so I've been in purgatory with you over there. I think it starts at the head of the snake, right? Every single year, they're close to sign

and somebody they're close to trade

and for this next superstar and it never really happens.

And every single time this year is like, oh, we're better than our record shows. And I think that those two finals appearances in the last couple years became fools go where they feel like they can be in HC

to make it to the finals every single season. I think you start the head of the snake before you get rid of one of the premier coaches in basketball. - Pivoting to a team that I actually think is fun to watch unlike the heat's.

- The Charlotte Hornets. - Yeah. - Michael Jordan finally sells the team, Kenny, and now we get con-kenniples. - Kenniple?

- Leading the charge. - Are they the most fun team in basketball? What do you think about the future of them? - Easily, the best 500 team to ever exist is late in the season, right?

Think about two months worth of them being a top three team in that rating, super fun style of basketball. I kind of saw a little bit of it last year with Charles Lee, but I was too afraid to double down last year. I had them as a playing team.

Like, yeah, this is gonna be the year. And then they sucked.

And I was like, I would never fall for it again.

I kind of wish I could tell you to hold my stock. But they're a fun team to watch, man. I truly think that they're the most fun team in the NBA right now. - They definitely have the most fun announcer. If you have a heard him, I don't know the brother name,

but that's why he needs to be hosting Oscars. I don't know what we need to tap into his potential. Right, brother, can the Lakers do any damn thing at all in the postseason this year? - Oh, no, I don't think so.

I always look at this year as a gap year for them. They're trying to figure out, they got what almost $100 million a cap space this offseason. I know a lot of that should go to Austin Reeves,

but after that it's about building around Luca,

“you have to remember that Luca kind of fell into their lap.”

And they had a team built for AD in LeBron. It wasn't a well built team, but it was built for those guys that you add in the guy like Luca, who changed the dynamic of the entire franchise. This is a team that's good enough to maybe

win a playoff series, but ultimately, they're not gonna do the things that Lakers fans want them to do, which is when a championship. They're like, maybe a year or two away from being a true contender. - I am curious as you allow a lot of complacency for the heat

and allow them to continue to be a trash ass play in team. You are a fan of a team that is in perpetual mediocrity with a head coach that I feel like is considered a legend. - Where are we at with the bulls right now, Kenny? - Yeah, I think Billy is a legend and college basketball.

I think his NBA tenure has had a couple good seasons, but mostly bad season, you think about... - That was a polite correction. That was a polite correction. - I mean, I mean, multiple national championships,

so you get to the league, it's like, okay, we got a couple playoff series appearances. Not a ton of playoff series wins, but yeah, we've been a purgatory too. The best thing to happen at this deadline

is that we sold on all of the assets. I mean, we sold low, but we sold it on all the assets and just until like two days ago, we were on the 11 game losing streak, so we picked a direction and direction is,

which could reap some awards and a year or two,

“and that's what I got to convince myself”

to continue to watch this team every single night. - Fire on. - Kenny, do you have an AJ Hawks situation going on behind you? Is that a real background?

Can you go see something? - 100% real. - Okay, give me the VHS is up top. Okay, give me the VHS is up top, but you got up there.

- We got a sports of 97, we got to bet. - Oh, that's meant to you though, that's crispy. Did you have those or you bought those? He's accusing you of objects. He's accusing you of having that background

purposely chosen, but not really being about it. That's an accusation, that's an accusation, I'm just making sure that you know what it is. What I will say is that I am a collector of vintage sports things.

Most of the stuff came from a friend of mine that lives in Arizona, who is entire brand

is doing vintage sports stuff.

So he provided me with like 90% of the stuff. So I guess you got me there, but I did pick it. I mean, so you needed four space jams. - You know about doubt at now, did Kenny? - The idea is to have the entire row be space jam,

but I have to pick them up as I find them in the wild. It's a whole scavenger hunt type of situation. - Speaking of space jam, lastly, from me, LeBron James next year, everybody seemed to think he going to Cleveland, that's some kind of return home.

- I see the gimmick in my boy. - I know my boy. - Excuse me, pardon me, excuse me, pardon me, pardon me. - That's a fine buck at five dollars on the fine bucket. Let's make sure that you give that five dollars

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Download the Moneyline app or visit Moneyline.com to learn more Moneyline, make money easy. - Well, yeah, I think my boy has conquered Miami. He has conquered LA, and now I think he wants to conquer the big Apple.

What do you say about LeBron going to the next for his, I guess his fairwill tour? - Do you think the next or want that? - Yes, like, I mean, I think, yeah, you're probably right. They probably will.

- What a crazy thing to do with this. - What a crazy thing to do with this. - Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. - Yes, me. I don't know, man.

Is LeBron going to be willing to take a minimum?

“'Cause that's the only way he goes to Cleveland”

or he goes to New York. Those are the second eight for teams. So that's why I feel like LA is still a spy. I mentioned almost $100 million.

$40, it always could go to Broadway pretty easily,

and nobody's going to play. - To Jay. - The next have won $40 plus games for straight seasons. That's the first time that's happened in three decades. They have fallen in love with that team,

but no team with some player, the size of Jalen Bronson ever gets to win the championship. Maybe that's different now with three? - I'm-- no, I don't think so. I'd always see you in that era.

- What was that? - I had to think about it for a second. 'Cause I do love Jalen Bronson, but when you're 61, and can't defend, it's just tough to win four playoff series.

- Kenny, as the ultimate employer of basketball, what is something you see out there that people are not enjoying enough about the NBA? - Hmm, I think that we're not appreciating the official when they get to the camera.

I think that when we spend the four minutes, five minutes reviewing a random out of bounds play, when they get to the microphone, we should all be waiting on our toes. They hear what they have to say.

We also be applauding. All of their great excellent work out there.

“So that's what we, we should be enjoying.”

- The action figure over your left shoulder, that is who is that over your left? - Let's check, that's Ellis U-Shack, right? - Oh, that's Ellis U-Shack, that's Orlando Magic Shack. We got a Pacer's Barbie down here.

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This is the 11th of our show with us two gods. (upbeat music) I wanna get to some sound here because Steven A Smith is about to go in on Zion Williamson and again on first take, he's been doing some body shaming

of Zion Williamson and evidently the pelicans came back at Steven A Smith and the pelicans. Wow man, what a bad franchise. Just one of those franchises that is nowhere that is just existing to run around out there

with no real purpose. Zion was the number one overall pick before we get to Steven A. That's a great beef. Zion was the number one overall pick in 2019

as hyped coming out of Duke as any player has ever been. We are seven years later, not a single playoff series victory perpetually in a rebuild. Zion's a massive bust, right? - Yeah, it's not just that he's been hurt a lot

and doesn't always play. He's in shape and he's not as their allegedly best player somebody who's making them any good. If you are what you're supposed to be at that draft pick even if you're out there by yourself with four other guys.

You've got to be contending for the playoff.

You can't always be losing but let's play Steven A Smith here.

Zion Williamson is a very easy target and now Steven A is having a beef with him. - You've got people that are alcoholics. You've got people that are drug addicts. The stuff like that, what was Zion's problem?

Food, food addict. The joke was everybody in New Orleans, they cooked. It could be everybody from a restaurant or chef to your grandma. All right, anybody that cooked, knew about Zion Williamson and he knew them.

Yeah, they were on the first name basis 'cause that brother ate a lot, okay? You even had rumors and literally I'm here thinking it was a joke and somebody told me to go on the air and point out how he got busted, hiding food under his bed.

This is the kind of stuff that was happening. - Put it on the poll, please, that laboratory show would damn be 700 pounds if he lived in New Orleans because that is a great restaurant city.

and put out on social media, hasty even a stick to solitary, with a montage, a video montage of his athletic achievements,

airballing a three, throwing a terrible first pitch,

airballing another three, think that was the same one. - I think that is the same one, yes. - His terrible punching from a few years back. Another three, oh, slipping on the core, so just trolling Steven A in a funny way, actually.

- I'm showing his college stats. - The college stats with the Wilk Chamberlain sign, 1.5 points per game. Can you guys look up the stats for me because I'm pretty sure it was a number of games played

that would have made 1.5 be impossible because for some reason I thought it was one game played. I may have that wrong. They also showed him as Chris mentioned, slipping on the court, dress shoes on the basketball court,

not a great situation for anybody. But also the training with a trainer and showing on social media that you're training with a trainer and punching very poorly while boxing training. - But then, didn't know about that punch and down.

And then Steven A, of course, sees this trolling,

and you know what Steven A does tune in tomorrow on first take.

He tweets out, pulling all this stuff from a decade or two decade, three decades ago, no problem. See all tomorrow on first take. Remember one thing, you asked for this. - All caps, a lot of exclamation points,

a lot of punctuation in general this time. - First take a bit of it. - And then the pelicans responded to this with a max-celerman gif. Of gif, what ever it is, meme, I don't know what this is.

It says gif in the bottom left. So it's just him, max-celerman sipping coffee, waiting for the response. So this is a back and I'm excited for first. - We got two minutes, Dan.

Two minutes, first take starts. - Let me ask you this.

And I'm not defending Zion Williamson.

“I think he's been a big bust relative to expectations.”

- No argument. - But is this a weird time to be piling on Zion? Hasn't by his standards, hasn't he yet a fairly healthy person? - He's played. - He's played.

- Health wise, he's having the best year of his career. - And he's averaging 20 plus points. I mean, if you look at him just this season, you don't go, this is a bad player, this is a bust. I think only in the context of expectations, seven years later,

we're piling on when he's having a fairly healthy season and sort of being pretty good. - And he's played 35 straight games. He doesn't sit down with Malica Andrews as you guys know. I love to besmirch.

And I've done my fair share of fat shaming Zion and his little lawn chair and his cheetos in his living room. - He likes getting up in those DMs too, down. - He likes getting it up. - Oh yeah, he likes to cash out there.

Allegedly. - Whoa. - But right now when you sit down with Malica Andrew,

“I think it's disrespectful to the four letter name.”

- I will say though, like for the pel... And it's funny what the pelicans are doing, but like you're having a very public beef with Steven A Smith, your 1944, like you're a bullshit franchise. - Like that's...

- What's disrespectful to the four letters? What exactly are you saying is disrespectful there? Because I think that what Greg is doing there is just looking at numbers and that is not the proper context.

When you draft, Zion Williamson, that high. When you make him the face of your franchise and make him hope for what Zaz is correctly calling, a lifetime bullshit franchise, you have to be relevant. It's not even that you have to get to the playoffs every year.

You cannot be invisible. Zion Williamson has disappeared as a name and face and the reason that people are using against him is that he doesn't care enough because he's the rare basketball player

who has been heavy, but he's fit this year. - Well I think the thing that's crazy is you do this interview, you sit down with Malica and he says, listen, I'm rehabbing in Portland, my foot's broken. The reason it's not, it's broken is not because I'm fat.

And all I'm hearing is how fat I am and how lazy I am and how gross I am. And so now I'm eating my feelings away and then that turned me fat. And he sits down as this heartfelt thing.

And that's when Steven A decides to go back on to the Zion fat shaming train.

“That's what I think is just kind of crazyer than Greg.”

- Well what's gonna happen here in a few minutes is this is going to escalate and it's going to be the biggest news around the pelicans that there has been since Chris Paul was traded. Like it, that franchise is a nowhere franchise.

It has been invisible and he was supposed to rescue them. It is textbook bust, Greg, like it can't. It can't be your scoring 20 points on a team that can't win. It's one of the, they are wholly irrelevant as a franchise. - I agree that he's earned the bus rep

even to mediocrity. All I'm saying is the timing to me is weird

when he's on a healthy streak for the first

of second time and his whole MBA career. Like this is a high point for him when you factor in health and along with performance. - I'd go a step further on this, okay? And this is why this happens

and it's why the content machine is undefeated, okay? This is a slow time in sports. And what do you do to goose ratings? You get into a feud with a franchise that's a relevant franchise, with an easy target.

It responds and it's why Steven A. Smith has paid the way that he is because a whole lot of people tune in now to talk pelicans basketball. When if you're gonna talk pelicans basketball,

“this is the only thing that can be a furnace of controversy.”

There's nothing else to talk about there. - Yes, what about how you took out Pat Raleigh and a heat? I think I see it now, yeah. Good idea, good job, damn.

- So you asked that man that question. Can he beat him as left here? - Yeah, he defended you though. - He didn't defend me. He said he disagreed with what was contended as mine,

which is that Spolster should be on the hot seat. - What do you mean? - Are you listening to this show? Like what do you mean he defended me? - He did not defend me.

They presented an illegitimate question in front of him and he said that's crazy and I respect Dan Levittard less than I did moments ago because he would say that's point. And then he said my opinion. Then he reiterated my opinion.

There's not someone better than that that you can get. - Actually, it was Greg who asked that not us. - Yeah, don't you listen to the show? - I'm gonna let myself out here. - Wow.

- Mine are belly two minutes four, not listening to the show. (upbeat music) - Wow. - As we got a breakdown of the past and pistons in the A-Block at first, I think.

- I figured 'cause I love a good media beef, all right. - Yeah. - And Greg's right, it's weird. Like we just woke up to our, let's be a footsie on, let's call it.

- Yeah. - We would have hauled it. - Yeah. - It's weird. - But I thought, I thought Steven A was gonna give it

to the Pell's in the A-Block. - The A-Block for those who don't know how TV works, that's the first second. - To the point of the nothing franchise, he probably pitched in there like,

we can't go A-Block Pelicans.

- Pelicans have never been A-Blocked.

- No, it's a drafted Ziya's. - They haven't been A-Blocked. - Steven A is literally the executive producer of that show. If he wanted it to be in the A-Block,

“sets it's a little bit of a power move, I think,”

which Steven A is doing here. 'Cause in the A-Block right now on first take is the breaking down pistons and Cavaliers from last night. But this is a, this is a, see, I'm realizing now this a power move by Steven A.

He could have his retort at the Pell's and Ziya on in the A-Block, but him not putting it there, is show you their, they're a bullshit franchise. They're not worth it. - You're so small, it's not even worth it.

- Well, no, it's worth it, but not the A-Block. - Well, the Pell can't start worth the A-Block, but Ziya and Williamson is. Because he's a lightning rod. He's one of the great lightning rods in the NBA right now.

Everybody wants to turn him into Greg Oden, because he hasn't lived up to expectations. And I, in a way, I feel for the guy, you know, I don't care if he ate himself out of a spectacular career. I feel for the guy, and because he's a lightning rod,

this is the perfect beef for Steven A Smith. - They do talk about him like he's Oliver Miller, like he's eating himself out of the league. - Yeah, yeah, it's 20 point, 20 points of game. I mean, he's got 35 strict games in a row this way.

- For anybody, 35 strict games in a row is good. - Yeah, yeah, you got to put that thing in a Z-Block because I need these ratings to stay up all show. - Wait a minute. - Waiting for the Z-Block on beat, just keeping us on baited.

- That's right, see it's that too. It's a power move, where he's not gonna talk about it right away, 'cause you're not worth the top of it. - He's gonna put it low in the show, and then say it wish I could have put it lower.

- 'Cause you're the pelicans. - You know what's not a power move? Putting video out of yourself boxing.

That never works out good for anybody.

Tyler here did the same thing, and everybody's clowning him the last time that he did it. - Oh, really? - Yeah, if you put out a boxing video, you need to know how to spot him. - Someone's had to have put out one, that was success.

- You gotta be, no, yeah, who's the celebrity that put out a good box?

“- Damian Lillard, I think those boxing stuff too,”

like there's guys to do it, but the problem is if you don't do it, and you put out the first video of you doing it, you look, wish I put Greg doing it. - Oh, yeah. - I got to stop doing that.

- That sounds like you and the shower. (laughing) - Are you winded from doing that? - Well, that's my workout. - Shadow boxing down.

- Do you know that yesterday's show ended with the sound of his stomach growling from the amount of coffee that he drinks without breakfast, the show ended yesterday with the noise in his stomach.

Yeah, the post game ended.

Billy, somebody is written in here.

- I need way more. (laughing) - I'm sorry. - I just said in his headset. - Haven't you been to all of them too?

“- It sounded like he was picking a loud.”

- My bed. (laughing) - I'm really hungry. (laughing) 100% on me. (laughing) - Stugots.

- But that goes without saying. - Right. - It couldn't have. - Well, he said he didn't. - He did say he didn't.

- He said he could have had that. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - Greg, Greg, Greg. - Greg, Greg, Greg. - Greg, Greg, Greg. - Yeah. - Greg, Greg.

- He apologized and Greg. - Greg. - sincerely. - This is the Don Lebatard show with his Stugots. (upbeat music) - In reference to the pelicans and Steven A.

says, hold on a second, he's now milking time spent listening.

Like he's starting with other things because he wants to keep people around for a while before they get to the pelicans.

“I am going to test our basketball experts here.”

Proud as they are, all of them. Go ahead and name for me. The memories you have all time of the pelicans franchise. Go ahead, all of them. Give me all of the moments in the history of the franchise

'cause I'm gonna say Anthony Davis getting them into the playoffs as an eight seed is at the top of the list but I'm trying to remember some others. - Anthony Davis, T-shirt, that's all folks. - Yes, after the coach, him and the coach

had a little beef as well as Chris Powell, ankle breaker and donker back in the pelicans jersey. Oops, my bad, the hornets jersey. - That's crazy to say though. That's a lot of games being played

and among our basketball experts, when I tell you, go ahead and give me the franchise highlights. Give me the things that you remember about all of the games that they have played all time

'cause that's the first time we started criticizing

Anthony Davis and by the way, Greg, when you're drafted where Zion is at the very least, you gotta do what Anthony Davis did there which is when a playoff game on your own because you can get the team into the playoffs by yourself

because you're the marquee franchise player. The idea that Zion Williamson is at 18 wins and all we're ever talking about him with food and the expectations, right? Because the thing about Zion as well

that makes this complicated is it's so rare in that sport to see someone that you know is a total physical freak that is more physically gifted than all of those physically gifted people by body type where you're watching and you're saying that man can get into the paint

and score on anybody in the history of that sport at whatever he is, what is he, is he 65, what is, I don't like that, yeah. - Yeah, 65 probably. - Thanks, 66.

- Yeah, so my pelicans memory is Jimmy Butler didn't spell though to punch. - Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. - There are so many nowhere franchises in that sport. I wanted to ask you guys something

that surprised me yesterday and maybe it shouldn't have because once the FBI comes out and does the very public press conference and does all the stuff that the modern administration is doing where Terry Rosier is in shackles unnecessarily

or they're throwing the names out there and I encourage you to check out Pablo Tory finds out because I don't even know the name of another co-conspirator co-conspirator that they revealed because it wasn't a famous name.

The government purposely put the famous names out there but the thing that I was surprised by and I don't know if you guys were because I did not know that this was possible. They're saying, and I know it's maximum penalty

and it's probably not gonna be that when it gets played down, the chancey billips is staring at decades in prison. Plural, decades in prison. I did not know that.

Like I knew that it was bad to fix, I'm sure the chancey didn't know that. I'm sure the chancey had no idea when he was involved in that game. It sort of reminded me on what it is that happened

to Michael Vick where Michael Vick is dogfighting and has no earthly idea what the consequences are that. Otherwise he would have stopped dogfighting. Like it wouldn't have been that important to him. There's just simply no way that he knew that.

There's no way that chancey billips knew that the consequences of that were possible decades in prison 'cause I sure as hell didn't know it. - It said that the maximum he could get was 40 years, two, 20 years sentences.

I mean, maybe he did know that because he was playing with the Mario and I think that maybe they made him my offer he couldn't refuse. - Damn, you're talking about a Rico charge.

“Like that's what they give mob bosses, right?”

Like what they've been able to do to put this all together, like linking them off of you, linking these card games, linking you cheating and then taking a break whatever it is, they build the case on you and it's like, "Yeah, we're gonna give you this, that's crazy."

- But you guys did any of you,

none of you, all of you felt like that was-- - What do you think you're seeing again? - Oh, well, he's not going to get that 'cause it's gonna get played down. Like there's no way, there is no circumstance

under which Chauncy Billips is actually gonna spend decades in prison, prison even if they're trying to game the entirety of the system just for publicity. That's not what's going to happen here. I just didn't think that that was possible

and I don't believe what Judeo is saying that I don't believe that Chauncy-- Chauncy, there's no way Chauncy would need the grift that much that he would bring upon the consequences that end with a lack of freedom for multiple decades

over card games. - But when we're talking about the mafia, it's not the grift that gets in. It's the hooks that get you in. It's something that they're able to get leverage on you

where you say yes one time and now that's the new leverage

and now there's a second game and now that's the new leverage.

I don't think he was ever there for the money allegedly. It's about the action. It's about knowing you're the guy that everybody wants to come see. Everybody wants to come play with Chauncy.

I'm good at these cards, but I'm also cheating, but nobody really needs to know that. One thing really quick to end to convict under a recoil charges is what they've been brought under. You need to have a couple of things

and enterprise existed. The defendant was associated with it and they committed at least two acts of racketeering within the last 10 years. So it's like all those things are kind of there

to have such a big number as far as the years are concerned 'cause when you look at 40 years, Chauncy's what, 40 something, $49, okay. You're talking about the rest of his life. But to answer your question, I didn't expect this.

I expected my boy to maybe get a couple of months in a big, big, fine or something like that. This is a big surprise to me. Yeah, but I agree with that

“and I think what you said is true as well.”

I always assume that a celebrity defendant

is gonna get a sweet deal of some sort. I always assume there's gonna be a plea bargain. Something's gonna happen where, you know, I, I would almost, I don't know what the over under is. You can bet on anything but I would almost bet

that Chauncy bill ups ends up doing maybe three years or less of actual time. Even that's kind of shocking. I'd be, I'd be stunned. Less than a year, I bet.

I, well, I, I, I, I, I don't know. Money talks. All right, look, I don't know what's gonna happen here. I'm obviously ignorant. I'm already on the front end showing you how ignorant I am

because all of this has been a bit of a surprise to me, but Chauncy bill ups getting significant jail time over this.

I, I look forward to what a trial we're never gonna get

'cause he's gonna plea out of this. I just be stunned if there were multiple years of prison for this, the details would have to be pretty damning for him to, for someone in his position to agree because he, he, he hasn't even been, was he fired

or was, is, is, is he, no, he's, he's, he's leaving. Right, 'cause he's got to be guilty in order to be fired. So he's on leave without pay. I, I'd be really surprised if Chauncy bill ups is doing multiple years of hard time.

I think he's gonna have to snitch. He's gonna have to give somebody up and the question

“that I have 'cause you're talking about, what is it?”

La Costa, Nostra? - Mm-hmm. - I'm saying that, me. Sorry, La Costa, there we go, though, I don't know my mafia's, but at that point, you might have to go into witness protection. - Chauncy bill ups, that's gonna be a little bit hard to go with. - That's Chauncy bill ups, no, I'm Bill Murphy. - Yeah, wait a second. - Wait a minute, what are you doing in tomorrow?

- I see that jump. - They, they, you're not Bill, we look suspicious. - They shot in like like big shot. - Yeah. - I love, like Ozanostra is saying because this thing of ours on when you're speaking on wires, and when you're speaking on federal wires and you're referring to it as this thing of ours, it's got such a nice cryptic mystery to it.

- That's all we all love, La Costa, Nostra. - It's like something you spend a lot of time on to put together, you know? - This thing of ours. - This thing of ours. Can you get me the history of the Hat Tip? Please Tony, I've wanted this for a little bit now. - Ah, Dan, I'd love to, all right. So the Hat Tip, the gesture of the greeting respect of respect dates back to Medieval Europe around the 14th to 15th century,

where a night's in armor would actually tip the little, you know, flapper, whatever. They would open it as a sign of respect, be like, hey, I see what you did there on the battlefield, you're my guy. - Not one person has done that to me on Twitter, I reported that to a news week ago for Westeros. Nobody gave you the Hat Tip, huh? - Oh, I wanted to get into something here with you that flew under the radar yesterday.

“Did you guys see or care about the story that is being reported out of Chicago that veteran center, Drew Dalman has retired?”

And the reason I bring it up is they call him veteran center, he's 27. He's 27 on an offense that's up and coming, that offensive line was good, he just signed his first big contract because he was a fourth round pick.

27 years old is about as early as I've seen that done in that sport and it makes me want to hear from him.

I want to, do you love football? Did your body hurt that much? 27 years old is a lot younger than most, there have been early retirements in that sport. It usually doesn't happen at 27, you're still in your physical prime, ostensibly. And I was surprised by that because he's the centerpiece on an offense for the future, like they in terms of surprise retirements. I know it's a center, I know we don't care about the offensive line, and I know it's not Robert Smith or Ricky Williams, a skill position guy.

“And I know that many players are now retiring earlier than most, but you've got to think that that has something to do with him fearing the physical cost of this, right?”

It's either that or you don't actually love football that much and just wanted to get to some sort of financial security that you can't get to as a fourth round pick. So he was there big free agent acquisition at the start of 2025 and now he's out. So looking at his contract really quick just to paint the picture. So he got a six million dollar signing bonus guaranteed at signing he got 26.5 million.

So he played last year, obviously this year he's not going to be playing going into 26, but he guaranteed himself 26 and a half million dollars and then basically like, hey, I'm done.

I think you've always been his plan.

“It may have been his plan, but you don't see that as the plan very often. And I think once you do that, I'd be curious what the rules are on a guaranteed contract like that if you have to give any of that back.”

Because I think if you sign a three year deal and the signing bonus is linked to the three year deal, even though the team can cut you and those contracts are one sided, I'd be surprised if that guarantee was for all 26 million. So the player we're talking about is 27 two or three years ago, when was it that two had that terrible his worst concussion, he's on the field in Cincinnati.

His fingers are mischaping because of a brain injury, we all feared for his life at that point. This guy, what is he thinking when he watches that?

I didn't see any quotes from him, but the place that I went immediately when they're calling him a veteran at 27. That's what I mean, veteran. He's been playing in the lead four years. How is that a veteran?

“It's as early as I've seen this done, and I assume it's the perils of football.”

He's a veteran at the bank, Deno. But what I want to do now is that you don't want to be a veteran in the studio. The semester-by-trag-lepto-püchas soft-behind the internet. It's like a master's real-time. I mean, you can say that you can do the same thing. Yes, you can do the same thing for the player, right? But you can't do the same thing for the player.

That's not true. It's true for the player, but it's true for the player. Do the same thing for the player, and when he's working, he's the captain. That's right. Save the player. You can do the same thing for the player.

Now, just try it out.