From Diagnosis to Determination | Jessie Morales Breast Cancer Journey

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If I had an oncologist, something like, hey, dude, you got stage 3 cancer. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yesterday I was fine. I was like, you're telling me I got stage 3.

There's only four stages, dude. We ended up seeing the oncologists.

“Me and my husband were in the room and I asked, what do you think this is?”

And he says, I think you have breast cancer. We are stage 3. And I remember looking at my husband and trying to hold my shit together because I start getting emotional. I know it's going to make him get emotional.

And from that moment, it was like real. That was when we started to change our life around. When you say change your life around, what are some of the things that you guys did immediately? We wanted to prepare my body for the flight. I'm going to flip the pages in this chapter and then I'll be, see you later.

Yeah. I want to be done with it. Have you ever thought of like, what if? What's up, everybody? Welcome back today.

Have an amazing story.

“As a father and a husband, I think I can relate to this a lot because one of my worst”

fears is dealing with something that my guest today is dealing with and seeing how we can impact the family, impact the kids and bring a lot of scarcity and a lot of unknown to the energy in the house. But today I have with me Jesse Morales and I saw her page on Instagram the breast chapter and immediately got hooked because it was so relatable and she was talking about her journey

and going through breast cancer and I was lucky enough to connect with her on Instagram and

then her amazing husband, Andrew's also here.

We've built a friendship and had a lot of going back and forth and really trying to get this thing set up today. But we're going to tell her story today. She's an amazing individual, super brave and strong. Welcome to the show.

Hi, Sean. Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to have you here. It's like, you know, we've, you know, like the virtual world, right? It opens up this gateway to meet so many amazing people and when I ran into your page,

I immediately fell in love with your energy and your, just everything that you were talking about because again, like I said in the intro, this is something that I worry about, right? And you have two beautiful girls, you know, I have two girls in a boy. So, you know, this is super relatable for me and I've had scares before, you know, there was a, yeah, there was a time where I had my liver enzymes really high and they're still

high. And I went through the CAT scans, the ultrasound, it's very scary. And then I did the CAT scan and the MRIs with contrast, without contrast. And nobody could figure, we don't know what this is. So we want to do a trans drug, a little liver biopsy, I'm like, whoa, like, what are you

talking about? Well, let's when we go through your, I like, I get it, but like, why are we here? And one of the doctors said something stupid, you know, we got to make sure that, you

into your pancreas to make sure there's no cancer there. And like, as you know, I told you before this show, my grandmother passed away from pancreatic cancer. And I know the success rate there in the life longevity is very, very low.

“So it was very scary, you know, I remember going through that and it was so hard for me to even”

put my children down to bed. I remember one night, have already, it's hard. I remember my youngest, she was probably two, and I remember putting her to bed one night and then going out in the hallway and just going in the corner and just losing it. You already making me, sorry, I'm sharing it.

You know, thankfully nothing was there. They still don't know why my liver enzymes are high. But apparently my biological father is, you know, pre-diabetic. Okay. So that's the reason, right?

So we're doing what we can to manage it. But like, your, your, your openness and vulnerability to share your story has just been inspiring. Thank you. Yeah.

“It's just hard, but I think it's important to share it because so many people are”

going through it and you don't realize how many young people are going through it. I was 33 when I found out. So you think, when you think of breast cancer, you kind of have this image in your head that it's older women and you don't think, I mean, I'm 33, it's just 33, it's young. You just, you don't ever imagine it happening.

Yeah. So I thought it was just really important to get my story out there and let other women know that you're not alone in it and they can have someone to relate to. It's amazing, Jesse, because, you know, I can think of, you know, if you have 10 people, right, that get the diagnosis that you've, that you've been given.

I think maybe one or two of them is going to talk about it and try to inspire people and let other people know that they're not alone. When people get the diagnosis that you got, a lot of times they go inward and they don't really share what's going on. But you use this as an opportunity to let people know that they're not alone.

Has that, has that trait always been something that you possess?

I went, I think so. I'm, I'm a very open person. I tell it like it is and I felt like it's just something that needed to be shared. I guess I've always been like it because of my background in nursing and helping people. So based on your nursing background, it's educational, right?

So you're, you're with patients, you're with doctors all the time and, and something

“like this is an opportunity to educate and that's really what you've, that's what you've”

done. You're, you're educating people on your journey from really start to finish and, and it's, it's needed out there because there's a lot of people like, like you said earlier that that are young that are going through this and if they could come across your page, you know, they can, they can have hope and I think that's so important.

So when I first got diagnosed, as a, as a millennial, you, you don't use Google anymore.

You, you go to Instagram. You're trying to find someone else's story. So you can relate to it and you don't go to Google anymore. You kind of go to Instagram and that was the first thing that I did when I actually got diagnosed was went into the search bar and put in breast cancer and I found a bunch of

young women because the younger women were some of them were sharing their stories. So I found a bunch of younger ladies on there and I started looking at their stories and I saw that they actually already had Instagram before they got diagnosed and they didn't show the complete story of it from start to finish and I felt like that was where it was really lacking and that I needed to share that part because I was looking for answers and

I couldn't find answers anywhere and I'm young and I don't know what to expect and I felt like, if I was feeling like this, there's multiple women that are feeling like this. So I needed to start my journey. I needed to start it from the very beginning. So that was my thing was I'm going to show everything because if you're like me and

you have a type A personality, you want to know all the details. So start to finish the first day of me going to get my biopsy done. I wanted to video it because if it did turn out breast cancer, I wanted to share that journey. I wanted to share every raw bit of it, all my emotions and not just the positive that

you see on Instagram because that's the real life behind it is that it's not always positive.

That's true. Really emotional and that's where I found as I gained so many followers is because I was open and honest about my situation and I wasn't just sugar coding anything. Oh, you made a whole other page. You made a whole other page and it exploded and it's been a cool thing to watch.

weeks, let's bring that fucking bell and that's the goal.

“But walk me through like, okay, when you had the biopsy, were you feeling a certain type”

of way, was it, did you find a lump or was it just like a normal mammogram and something popped up, walk us through that? So I actually found the lump by accident. Me and my husband were sitting on a couch. No, no, no, no.

We were just chilling on the couch, my girls were running around and I don't know what it is, but women tend to sometimes feel their breast and I felt a lump and I actually have cystic breast. So my, my breast are kind of lumpy. You used to it.

I also two years in 2000 and almost two and a half years and in 2023, I had a breast lift.

I did have two young children and they were down to the floor so we got them lifted up. You made them happy. Yes. So I had a lot of scar tissue and everything, they're still healing. So there's lots of new lumps and bumps and everything in there and I was just like,

it was normal to feel lumps. So I kind of felt this one and I was like a little red flag went off and I was like, to my husband and I was like, it feels a little weird and I was like, feel this and he's like, get it checked out now and I'm like, no, it's just a cyst. Like, I don't, there's nothing.

It's cysts. I have dense breasts. It's fine. No.

And he's like, absolutely not.

Call your doctor right now. I was like, okay. So I caved. I ended up calling my OBGYN, my GYN, got an appointment two days later. I went and saw her and she felt it and she thought it was a little irregular also.

Okay. So we got the mammogram and ultrasound and where the red flag was is when I was getting the mammogram, she did my pictures and she sent me to go get the ultrasound and while I was waiting outside the ultrasound room to do that the mammogram took call me back and said, I want to get a few more pictures.

She goes, it has nothing to do with your lump, but I did see some calcifications. And I was like, hmm, that doesn't sound great. She's like, if the radiologist sees it, he'll want you to come back and just try to save you a trip. I'm like, great.

That's awesome. So after that, then I went and did my ultrasound and I went home, I was just in the back of your mind, you're like, that just didn't sit right. I am got home and within four hours I had the report and which is very quick.

“And I remember my husband was out in the garage and I opened up my phone and just kind”

of did a quick glance. And I see like three parts on the report, highly suspicious of mulling nancy all over. So I run into the garage and I get my husband and I was like, I'm literally shaking. I was like, look, put my phone up because I don't know what this is. I got to let me shut the garage so he comes in and I give it to him and I remember just

reading it again, I go highly suspicious of mulling nancy and I drop down to the floor. And I just started crying. I was in the kitchen and from that moment it was like real in my mind. We didn't know anything yet but the doctor hadn't even called yet, we were still waiting on everything.

I ended up calling the doctor because I hadn't heard for the month. Like I got it on my portal when I haven't heard from anyone, she goes, okay, we'll give you a call back in a little bit. They gave me a call back, she says, me, she goes, we're going to refer you to a breast oncologist.

And when you hear the word oncologist, it's terrifying. We ended up seeing the oncologists. He wanted to do the three biopsies, not one biopsie, but three because it did spread to my lymph node, which was another hard pill to swallow when you hear that it's not just in your breast and your lymph nodes now because then you're thinking that it's some

tassysized all over your body. But me and my husband were in the room and I asked the breast surgeon, I said without

“the biopsies and what we know right now, what do you think this is?”

And he says, I think you have breast cancer. And I remember looking at my husband and sorry, looking at my husband and trying to hold my shit together because I start getting emotional, I know it's going to make him get emotional. So I'm just trying to keep a smile on my face and the surgeon's just like, I think

good chance of survival. Hey, it goes, and if it's not for some reason, you are going to, the biggest party of your life and you are going to celebrate, you know, he said, okay. But after leaving that appointment, that was when me and my husband kind of took the real fact of that this is breast cancer and even without the biopsy, that was when we started

to change our life around, was that moment?

“When you say change your life around, what are some of the things that you guys did immediately?”

We did all the research and all the things that you do when you first get diagnosed with

cancer, why did this happen, what can I change, what can I do, what causes cancer, all the things we started getting rid of all the toxic pots and pans in our house, all the cleaning products we went to non-toxic for everything, shampoos, conditioners, body products, every single thing, deodorants, our food, all organic, no artificial sweeteners, we just transformed our lives overnight because it wasn't that that caused it, but it was something

that was going to help my body in the fight is changing my terrain. So we decided to start that before we even got the diagnosis officially, we wanted to prepare my body for the fight. Hey guys, we're going to take a quick break and we're going to slide into our recovery segment brought to you by Therobody.

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“I think there's two types of people and when you're faced with something like that,”

once that are going to find the solutions and step the fuck up, no matter what it is, this is going to be hard no matter what, right? It's going to be a journey and there's going to be great days, there's going to be bad days within there's other individuals that just lay down and let it just kick them and say that's it.

That's all she wrote and I just the the latter is it's hard for me to relate to, but

I've never been through it, either, you know what I mean?

And you know, it's like, the listening to this story, like you were talking about calcifications, scar tissue, you know, and also too, like that could also come from breastfeeding. You know, like you just never know, and I remember at one point, my wife was actually called in because they, they found some stuff and it was calcifications from breastfeeding and scar tissue and she just had dense breasts, but the last one, they said, we need to take more

pictures and she immediately texted me in the feeling that I had. It's got rich things. I was like, do you need me to come down there, you know, like, like, what officer you at, it's, it's one of those things as a man and husband, like, you want to protect. And you, and you realize at that moment, and I'm sure Andrew thought the same, they're

felt the same way, you know, once you got the report and the, you know, the biopsies and everything is like, there's nothing I can do to fix this, that is bone crushing for a man. Yeah. How long ago was the diagnosis?

November six. Oh, like, like, like, very, like last quarter, like, just last year, not a very good journey through the holiday. Oh, yeah. Holy shit.

And the doctor finally, you know, you get the biopsies and from that point on, they just came,

“how long did it take to get those results back to give you the actual news?”

So it actually, um, I got the breast biopsies done on November 4th, and I got the results

So two days later, which was, that's quick.

That was quick, you know, that's, that's the hardest part about cancer so far is the weighting game at the beginning. It is so hard to wait for answers, but luckily I did get those answers pretty quickly. Um, the radiologists had called me. I didn't even speak to the doctor.

Um, and she had told me that, you know, they did come back positive all three of them. So cancer in the lymph nodes, the calcification was cancerous and the lump was cancerous. So three spots. And then she had mentioned that I would be getting a phone call later on from the plastic, uh, not the plastic surgeon, the breast surgeon, and um, right then he called the next

week and was like, well, the next step is going to be a pet scan because we need to see where we're at.

Um, and that was the next terrifying thing.

That's anxiety. Right? Because now you're like, okay, because your biggest fear is it metastasize and it's everywhere in your body. Yes.

I'm going to go through that. Hmm.

“How long do the pet scan take, uh, I results take to get back to you?”

Um, that's such a blur. Um, I think that one was pretty quick, too. We had to wait longer to get the pet scan though, so the waiting of just waiting to go get this scan was a lot, um, but it, we got the news and we were driving in the car.

And I just remember celebrating.

We literally jumped out of the car and we, he called and said that it had not metastasized. We are staged three and not staged four. Okay. Um, because of the size of the lump and into the lymph nodes, because they did see that it was couple lymph nodes, two or three lymph nodes.

Um, but yeah, so no metastasis. And it's a great point to celebrate, right, especially in, in that moment and, you know, a lot of people can go, well, you know, hey, I still have cancer and this still sucks. But, you know, again, at least it's not metastasized and then, you know, it's like centrally located and, and the treatment options are definitely a little bit better and, and more

direct, right? Right. And, um, man, I just, it, it's so hard because again, like I said in the beginning, it's my biggest fear just that the, the babies, man, like, how did you, how did you work through that and how do you still work through that mean, you know, that's, that's a scary

thing.

“It's really hard, um, that's, we are, you have to know your children how they process”

information and we know that our girls process things with great detail. We need to give them all the details. Yeah, really, huh? That early. They're like their mom, dude.

They, they need the details, um, they asked the questions, even being so little. My oldest, she's very intelligent, um, she scares me, she's so smart. Um, so we told them that everything that mommy has breast cancer, we did use the word, we want her to know the correct words. We said, I tell her, I tell her that I have bad tissue in my boob, and we need to get it

gone. We need to take it out. We need to use medicine that's going to make it go smaller, and then that medicine also will take away mommy's hair. So she's aware, and we, we rebooks, we, we do everything we had her a part of, shaving

my head, both of them. We saw that. Yeah. We want them to be included in everything, and if they have questions, we want them to feel comfortable coming to us and asking about it.

“So that's how we, lintered them into this journey was just with great detail.”

And it's kind of just been easy for them to understand what I'm going through. But then it's also hard for them at times when mommy feels really bad and can't tuck them in at night. And that is when it's like a dagger in the heart because they love daddy. But they want mommy at night, they want mommy to tuck them in and mowies there, and sometimes

it gets to be really hard, or it's really hard when I'm having a bad day, and I'm just laying on the couch, and I feel guilty that I can't play with them because I don't have the energy to do it. So it's been, it's been really hard. And it's hard because, you know, to your point, you're on the couch and you're not having

a great day physically, you just can't do anything. You can't do anything about it, but mentally you're still turned on. Yes. And you're like, these are my daughters.

there's times when you just can't do that, you know, that's very hard, and it's a reminder

of where we're at right now, right? It's like, I'm going through this, and, you know, in kids at times, you know, they can still, you know, they can still, you know, they can still push buttons, and they're going to be kids. And I also think it's beautiful too, right?

What were some of the questions that you're all this daughter asked to you, that you said, like, she's so smart, it scares me. She, she wants to know, I think she's going to be a doctor, honestly. She wants to know more about the body, and she's like, what do you mean about the tissue and stuff?

“So you have to kind of explain what the medicine does.”

Why is it take your hair away and stuff?

So you have to explain that the medicine's so powerful that it's killing the cells and

shrinking the tumor and everything. So then it also destroys your hair. So look, that's, that's good. She's just, she doesn't, she wants to know everything. Oh man, that, to me, a five year old, tell me about the body, tell me about the tissue,

what a special girl, you know, and it's, it's got to give you some type of, like when you're sitting there, though, and you see him, you know, playing around and, you know, with, with Andrew and with each other, that has to give you some type of, you know, you're not feeling well, I just, I'm actually really blessed, you know, like to have these beautiful children and to experience this and, you know, and to go through something like this, this is, you

know, people go through a hardship all the time, you know, and I think that we all think our problems are bigger than everybody else is out there, right? No matter what it is, you know, I was, I was sitting there the other day, and this doesn't really apply, but the perspective does. And I was going through some stuff because of what I do is very hard.

It is a hard business, and, you know, it's not sunshine and rainbows that everybody sees on Instagram.

“This shit is fucking difficult, the back end of it, right?”

Right? And I was just kind of in my shit. I was like, man, this is so hard, you know, this is wrong, that is wrong. And then I saw a video pop up from a friend of mine that lives in Eastern Europe that has been just not on Instagram in about a year.

And he's talking about this video, and this video about his daughters are in Qatar right now. And I'm like, holy shit, oh my god, I'm like, I messaged him like, bro, are you good? And we, we exchanged, you know, some voice notes over Instagram, and, you know, he got choked up, I got choked up, and then I instantly said, like, we're all going through things.

But our problems are not necessarily bigger than anybody else's and then some people are going through harder things and it really gave me perspective to to kind of sit back and just like, okay, the thing that I'm going through right now, that's going to be fixed, you know, and thankfully, I talked to him today, they're hopefully on a plane out tomorrow. So there, there may be safe, but like the perspective, right, of like, and even in your

situation, like there's, there's other situations that are amplified more, and I mean, you're here, right? You mean, we're hanging out, you know, and, and, and you're, and you're doing well through the treatment.

Of course, there's days where you're not feeling well, but there's always some, there's

always a point that you can look at, go, okay, you know what, I'm, I'm all right. Like it could really be worse, but it's really hard to think that way when you're going through it, you know? Yeah. Definitely.

“There are times that I think that I'm so lucky because I have stage three, and it's”

like who really says that, who thinks they're lucky, they have stage three cancer, like, I'm just so grateful that I don't have stage four, but that's just where I'm at, and the cancer journey is that that's something that I'm thankful for. Yeah. I think to someone else who doesn't have cancer, but that's, like, a blessing for

me. Hmm, because I'm listening to this right now, right? And if I had an oncologist, something like, hey, dude, you got stage three cancer, I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah.

Like, yesterday I was fine. I'll say, you're telling me I got stage three, there's only four stages, dude. Yeah. You know what I mean? But that, that says a lot about you as a person though, right?

And I think that in these moments, in this battle, you're going through this fight, and it's just, you're in the trenches, right? Yeah. And no matter what you are faced with in the years to come, you're going to be able to call on this experience, but like, I got through that, this ain't shit.

But you're always going to be able to find your way through something, and when it's all

said and done, this is building you, or something that you don't even know what's coming. This is just my chapter. Yeah. It's not my whole story. No, no.

And that's a great point, because a lot of people make it the whole story. Yep. And you can't do that. I'm going to flip the pages in this chapter, and I'll be see you, see you later. And hopefully in six weeks, we can close a damn book, right?

Yes, Elise. Look at that. Kimo Bell. Yeah, it's right. Yeah.

Exactly. six more, six more, six more. - Six more. - Six more. Six more. - Six more. - Six more. - Are you every week or every week? - Every week. - Okay, okay. - Mm-hmm.

- What's that experience been like? (laughs) - Oh, God. (laughs) - And, oh my God, I keep telling my husband, every car right there, I do not wanna go. And I don't wanna go, it's like the least thing you wanna do.

It's just, you finally start to feel better,

“and then you have to go and get hit with it again,”

and go through all the side effects, and everything all over again. I keep saying, I can't wait, 'cause I haven't had my breast surgery yet, like, cut me open, do the surgery, like, I'll do that.

- Yeah. - I do not wanna do chemo. It is not fun, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, I do not enjoy it, I don't like it. I wanna be done with it. - What's the community like in there?

'Cause like every time you see like a movie or something, you guys are, everybody's in a chair, and they're talking, you got some people that are positive, and you got the cranky, the cranky one over there. Is that real, what's that like?

- And honestly, it's weird being the 33 year old in the room, because it is a lot of older patients, and I didn't really think about that going in

to my first one, you're kinda just like,

let me get in there, let me get started, and then when you open the doors and you get in there, and you're like, oh my gosh, like, I'm really the youngest person in here. - No, and it's just weird being there,

but it's not some places do have like private rooms where you can be in a private room and do your chemo. Not in my infusion center, everyone just open and next to each other. So that was like a new thing too, I wasn't expecting that.

But everyone is, there are the friendly people that talk to you and you have conversations about, there are some other people that are just snoozing away and pass out, and it's a weird environment. - I would imagine, and again, whether someone's talking,

whether someone's quiet or sleeping, it's all good, right? If anybody's going through this and they're handling it,

“or getting through it the best way that they can.”

You know, I would imagine though, have you made any friends in there? - Well, people have found me from my Instagram. - Wow. - So I feel like they'll fucking celebrity in there. - Oh, it's so weird, it's um, yeah,

I think I've gotten a reached out like two or three times. I was in one of the, I got a private room once because it was my birthday, so they gave me a little private room, it was so awesome. And the whole staff came and saying happy birthday to me.

So everyone in the Ephesians center heard it, and women was going by, and she's like, "Oh, happy birthday." She was your Jesse from Instagram or the breast chapter. I was like, "Hi, so let's see you."

And then someone else is running to me and go, "Oh my gosh." So it's cool, but it's nice because then I get to like, see you from all your face now. So now I get to see them every time and go and talk to them and see how they're doing and we talk on Instagram now.

And so it's nice. - That's pretty cool though, you know, like it is nice to be recognized, you know, it happens. And it's, when it first happens, it's like, - Yeah.

- Wait, what this is weird happened to me at a restaurant with my wife one time, and it was the server. He was a cool dude. He's like, "Yeah, man, you actually... We're commenting back to me on YouTube.

He's like, "Wait, was that you? "It's me." - It's me. - Yeah, it's me, I'm a control freak. I don't let anybody in my DMs or comment for me

because I like the community aspect, right? 'Cause it, you can build friendships that way,

“but yeah, I can imagine that would be weird, you know?”

Because it's a shock. It's something completely different, right? - Yeah, yeah. And then they're like, "Oh, I'm blah, blah, we talked." And it's like, "I do talk to every single person,

"but it gets to be a lot of people." And I'm like, "Wait, like, tell me your story again." So I can like, "Remember what we talked about." So 'cause like, I'm exactly like you, I have to talk to every single person.

Like, I comment back to every single message that I get, I try to at least because there are a lot of them and a lot of people are going through what I'm going through too. And it's, it's a little depressing too because, sometimes I tell my husband that it gets to be a lot

and telling me their diagnosis. And it gets really like sad because you feel for these people. Like they're going through the same thing you're going through and when you're getting like 20 messages like that a day

of just recent diagnosis, it's like it's really heartbreaking. It's heavy. And sometimes I'll tell my husband like, "I need to take a break." Like I need to just watch my girls and smile

and be happy for a minute and just take that little mental break. And it's super important to do that, right?

You can't always respond right away, right?

“And I think most people would understand.”

And so a point, well, I was very, actually surprised you saw my message to you. Because you didn't know me, I didn't know you. I saw it, I'm like, I got a follow. I got a follow with this.

Like I, and I love these stories because they're relatable and they're real. And when you respond, I'm like, oh, okay, cool. So she let's saw it and then, you know, it's not even Andrew followed me.

I mean, this guy started talking a lot. - He was like, best friends. - Yeah, it's like, it's my home, man. And it's like, but that's like the cool thing about it though, too, right?

And, you know, if anything, you know, once you beat this, like now we all know each other, we're all friends. Like, and it wouldn't have been that way if this didn't happen.

And so, you know, it's like there's always a silver lining

thing. But it doesn't take away the struggle and the heartache. And, you know, the reason why I wanted you on the show is not just to tell your story, but it's also, you know, in life, when I was creating this program,

over this platform in the show, eventually it was, I want to wake up into society where people wake up to turn into chase their dreams and I don't know how they feel emotionally. Like through determination and discipline, right?

And to me that means something, because you can, you can, you know, be motivated one day

“and then the next day you just don't take action on shit, right?”

And I wanted to inspire and bring hope. And to me, when I look at you and what you're going through, that's the ultimate determination is to not just wake up every day and do your treatments and fight and keep a positive mind

and inspire people, but also be a wife and a mom. That's a lot to handle. - It's a lot. It gets heavy at times, but I just look at my two daughters and my husband and that just what keeps me going.

- That's awesome. - It's the reason why I wake up in the morning. - Man. You know, it's so funny because like, having these subsequent conversations makes me feel really silly for the moments that I'm just annoyed in my house.

You know, I think it's normal, like, you know, like... - Don't tell me, Andrew, you don't get annoyed with this chick. I'm telling you, right now, like everybody gets annoyed with their children, their spouse, their friends, like Danny's dumbass right there, like...

- We're on their cancer and we still get annoyed with each other. - We still fight. - And that's the thing, and that's like, what are we fighting about, you know, but it's just so important to acknowledge those things because it isn't sunshine and rainbows.

It is a lot of, you know, emotion going back and forth, you know. Have you... This is a hard question to ask, and I ask it with love and empathy. Have you ever thought of, like, what if? - Yeah, it's terrifying.

Because, and that's another reason why the internet's so scary, too, is because you do see other people's stories. And then you're, like, holy crap. If that can happen to them, that can happen to me. What if the chemo stops working?

What if they don't get everything in surgery? And then that just leaves you down a bad path. And I try to quickly get myself out of that headspace, because I don't want to go down that road, and I want to stay positive. - Yeah.

- But yeah, it definitely... So, I think it would cross anyone's mind. - Yeah, how do you get out of that? - I honestly, I don't even know. It's just, you start going down it,

and you just gotta pull yourself back. You just gotta think about your family, and you just gotta think of the good, and everything that I have good right now, and the Lord and everything.

“And that's how I kind of get my headspace back into it.”

That's the good strategy, that's the good strategy. And the reason I ask that question is because it's hard. - It's really hard.

- So I think everybody's always asking what if.

We live in a world like we're the craziest shit in heaven, right? You know, for me, my kids are in a prep school. You know, I'm blessed with my wife as a teacher there, and you know, they're in a pretty safe environment.

But there's times when things go on in the world,

and my kids out the door in the morning, put them in the car, tell 'em all I love, and I'm like, I don't even want them to be at school today. - Yeah. - That's my, that's my everything.

All three of my kids in my wife. And I, for the longest time,

“I think it was when the Minneapolis thing happened,”

recently I'm like, and then I had a gentleman on my show that his daughter Meadow was killed in Parkland. And I'm like, dude, this could actually happen. And so I, for like a week or two, like I literally, when my family would leave, I would cry.

- Really? - Yes, because I just thought like this is, this is too heavy for me.

It's like, what ifs always happen?

- Yeah. - You know, it's like, the other night, I'm watching a show of my wife. And this is actually a really good show. It's called, oh my God, what is it?

It's on Apple TV. It's Harrison Ford's in it, Jason Seagulls in it. Oh my God, what is it? I can't remember. But we just started watching it the other night.

And Jason Seagulls, the one that was in, you know, for getting Sarah Marshalled. - Oh yeah. - Yep. - And his wife had passed.

And now he's an absolute fucking wreck. Like, he's got women for higher over. He's drinking and there's some pills in it. Well out there, they're like mess around, but he's got a daughter who's in high school, right?

And she also, you know, went through the same thing. He did, when basically what happened is he lost his wife in a car accident. And I'm just like, yeah. - What if?

- And I'm like, fuck. And I looked up my wife, I go, Jackie, I don't know if I can watch this right now. And she was like, it's a funny, this is good. I'm like, no, I'm like, what if?

Like, there's always this what if with anything.

“You know, that's why I asked the question”

because, you know, people make fun of me and say, do you drive like a grandma? I'm like, yeah, because what if? Like I like to keep the front of me, the back of me decides to me clear.

And if I have to go 60, so my wife and my kids don't get that call, then I'm gonna go 60. - You know, but it's an amazing, it's a crazy thing just to think of like, all the things that can happen in life.

- Yes. - You know, I don't know. I don't know what my point is with that, but it just, it's a scary thing. - And it's no.

- Very. - So, have you had the surgery? You haven't had the surgery, right? - No, no, yeah. - So what's the process like,

you, when is that schedule or do you do that after chemo? Like, okay. - So I do chemo first and then I will have my bilateral mastectomy after that, I will do radiation. I believe for three weeks.

So that's Monday through Friday, every day. And then I will have my reconstruction surgery with plastics. And then I will do hormone blockers for either, I think it's like five to 10 years. - Oh wow.

- 'Cause I'm a, there's different types of breast cancer. So I have estrogen, progesterine, positive. So that means that that fuels my cancers, so they have to block those. - Oh wow.

- And in order to have less of a chance of reoccurrence, they do the hormone blockers for five to 10 years after it. - Peliform. - Yes. - I'm on an estrogen blocker too.

- Oh my God.

- Yeah, I'll never get off of it though.

- I never get off of it. You know, there's this whole medical plan. - Yes. - Right, and so we started in November, and I think we're in March, right?

- I don't know, this is your slime bind. Like I don't know about for you, but like we're almost done with Q1. - Mine's like snail speed. - Really?

- I'm like, oh my God. - I just fell off for me. - I feel like it was just Christmas, you know? But again, you know, everybody has a different perspective and things like that.

“So, you know, all goes the way it's going to, right?”

Six weeks, we're gonna ring that bell, and then your surgery, your double mastectomy, and then reconstruction with plastics, what's the timeframe there? - Well, we're at like a year,

we're in a half, yeah. - So right around next holiday, this coming holiday season, you'll be ready to rock and roll. - I hope so.

- You know how you will, we gotta think like that, right? - Yeah. - We gotta think like that. But the good news is you look good bald. - Oh, thank you.

- Yeah, you know, she doesn't have a weird shape head, man. - That's good. - Side profile, it's great, it looks great. - It's the hair's grown back. - I see that, I see that.

- I see that. - Little peach fuzz, that's good. - What, how was that for you, like? I mean, I'm 47, and I'm thinning in my hair, and it's getting gray, and I'm like, oh shit,

I need to pair product, you know, I want to build this bad boy back up.

you know, it's saying, okay, we're just gonna,

we're gonna sit down on this chair. - Just gonna do it. I just, there was, so there's a thing that's called cold capping, where you can try to keep your hair,

or it's just let the chemo do its thing and take your hair. And I did the research, and it just had too many cons for me, so I figured, it was one less thing to worry about, let's just get rid of the hair.

And I'm not gonna lie at the very beginning, it was easy, because I just wanted to go on, it started to come out, and it was like, let's get rid of it. And we got rid of it, and that was an emotional thing,

because, you know, you saw the video, my husband, and my daughters are both shaving my head, and so the water works come out. But then after is when the real mental battle came with it, because I'm bald, I look in the mirror,

and I don't see myself. I see you see that people do the side eye in the store,

“and they're looking at you like, what's going on with this check?”

Why does she have no hair? So it's really hard. You don't feel feminine, you don't feel pretty in your clothes, anymore, it's hard. But I know rocking it is easier than just being depressed about it.

And so I just show up, and I'm just proud to have a bald head. - You know, it's funny, because, not funny in a comical sense, but you know, like you said, you're at the store, people side eye. - Oh, yeah. - Let's talk as wrong with people.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like, because you're... - What do you think is going on lately? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm hoping that they're like, oh, is she, does she have cancer, and like, does that why,

or is it just, she thinks she, I don't know, she's going crazy, and they just chopped her hair off. - She's pretty spears over here, like, what's going on? - Exactly, exactly. - She's going bad, she's crazy.

- Exactly, but yeah, you get the stairs all the time, then you also get the people that come up to you, Randy, I've gotten it so much. They come up to you, and you're just like, you are beautiful, your head is beautiful,

and it's the weirdest compliment ever. Like, you had a good shave head, like, thank you. But it's so nice, too. - Yeah. - And I've had that multiple times target

at the Cancer Institute, the nurses,

that I finally, like, didn't wear me any one day,

and they're like, oh my gosh, like, your hair look, you look so good and like, well, thank you. So, there's, give it, gives and takes. - Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, it doesn't look bad at all.

Like, it actually looks good. Like, if you decided, that's the look you wanted, you would pull it off. - Thank you. - And I'm not, I'm not bullshit you.

But it's, I think that most people too, you know, I think we all think, when someone sails at us or looks at us, or thinking, they're thinking something, right? When I was super overweight,

every time somebody looked at me, I thought they were like, look at me going like you're fat. They probably weren't, right? What if when people looked at you and go, oh my gosh, she's so young and pretty.

I hope she's okay.

- You never know. - You never know.

- You never know.

“So that's why it's kind of like so important”

to just dance, just like live your own life and like, you know, just keep walking by. - Yeah, I just keep doing your thing and, man, I tell you what, it's because we never, we can never be responsible for somebody else,

like what they think about what we're doing or what we look like. - And that's also something that you learn with cancer is that you don't know what other people are going through,

because that woman that's looking at me, it could be, I remind her of her sister, her mom who's gone through cancer, and you don't know, they could just be like, oh, I know what she's going through.

So you just, you never know or someone with a pixie cut, is that pixie cut? Because your hair is growing back or is it just a hairstyle you want it? And you don't know what people are going through.

- Oh, man. - Yeah. - That's a long road, right, like even thinking about getting through it and growing your hair back, it's going to be a process, right? - Yeah.

- I mean, you could do a pixie cut, too, you know? - And I heard it's like the hardest stage, too. It's not the fall of this, it's the growing back, 'cause it's just all over the place. - It's all over the place.

- No, we had a very good friend, Jace, went through a cancer, young, to a murderous chest, it was 26. He's good, he beat it in a year. - That's amazing.

- A year. And to see the progression, you know, I knew him before, right? He's involved here with the production company, a great media, and we were friends,

and then, you know, I had him on my show, like June of 24, and then he got through it, and he beat it, and you know, you know,

“you could see the stages as a hair rigourist, right?”

And just like everything, and he still goes, and you know, he created a page, too.

- Jace beats cancer, and it exploded. - Oh, really? - Oh, yeah, it was crazy. You got to like 800, 900,000 people like that. - Oh my gosh.

- Yeah, and, you know, we're just seeing him go through it, you know, 'cause he's such an act of human being, and then having to work back into activity, like working out, and everything like that,

and it was just amazing to watch,

like he is such a strong human being. - Amazing. - You know, but, you know, recently, he, the other day, he had to go, he's like, this is one of the most anxious parts.

I've got to go get another scan, you know, and it's just scans ID. - Scan's ID, is that what's his scan's ID? I mean, I have enough anxiety, just like, I mean, sometimes I run a little bit too tight,

but, you know, it just seems to me that there's so many young people now going through it, and, you know, in coming out on top. Like, it's truly remarkable, and like, I don't have a doubt in my mind.

You're, you know, you'll have that,

“you'll have that hairy growth, and no time of, yeah?”

- Yeah, yeah. - Have you thought about, what's the celebratory, you know, at the end of the holidays? Like, what's the one thing that you want to do

to commemorate this time and put it to bed? Like, what's the celebration? - Honestly, I'm gonna burn everything pink. - That's my celebration. - I don't want pink ever again.

- I was so excited at the beginning of breast cancer. I was like, I'm gonna have everything pink. Everything's gonna be pink. I don't like the color pink anymore. - So you're not looking for a dog's over.

- No, that's actually when I was, I found my lump was October two, which is crazy. - Oh wow. - Oh wow, wow. - It's, yeah, that pink thing that's pretty funny,

and that's some people say, "Well, you know, I wanna go to Fiji." - Yeah. - You know, I wanna go do this, and you're like, "I'm gonna do it." - Well, we do wanna do that too.

- We wanna go to Fiji. - Not Fiji, but we wanna take a trip, eventually,

and just, you know, finally relax,

but yes, I'm burning everything as well. - Yeah, that's good, too. Can you guys invite me over for that? I wanna bring the lighter fluid. - Yeah, yeah, seriously, Balfour.

We go on Balfour, I was just burning clothes. Don't worry about it, guys. Everything pink is gone, it's gone. - Um, where's your dream vacation? - Um, I told my husband I wanted to go over to Europe.

I wanna go to Italy, and I wanna go, we actually are thinking about doing, one of his friends did it. It's where he rents like a mini van, a little mini van, and you just go all throughout Italy.

- That's cool. - One of my friends told me last night that a mutual fund of ours, like the married couple, they're going to Italy to go skiing.

- Okay. - And it's actually cheaper to go to Italy and ski, than it is to go to like, like, Tahoe. - I think I saw that. - I just fucking wanted to me, like,

we're talking about Europe here, right? Like, Tahoe's in Cali, like it's just crazy to me. So, I was like, I was like to hear, like, these, these plans, though, right? Because, you know, what I hope that you do

is visualize those moments. - Yeah.

“- You know, 'cause I think visualization”

is such an important part of anything that we do. And, you know, when you can feel those emotions of the attainment, what's it gonna feel like when I'm in a camper in Italy and going around, like, your brain has no idea that's not real.

- Yeah. I try to do it more and more, because it's kind of actually hard to do as a cancer patient. - And, I don't see into the future as much as I did before,

but it's because I'm living in this moment. Like, this is all I can process at one time, because if I process everything at the same time, it's just overwhelming. So, like, right now, like, my brain's focused on chemo.

Let's get to the next chemo cycle, and to the next one. Like, I don't have a thought about surgery yet, because I'm focused on chemo, because if I start thinking about my surgery, then I get overwhelmed.

And I start thinking about, oh, what about this and this and this and this? So, I am trying to think more of like the end game, but I'm like trying to also just be present with where I am. - Timmy, you just told my word, come on, Jesse.

And you were nervous, come on, taking the words on my mouth. I was just thinking, like, this is, give me the gifts of presence. - Yes.

“- You know, and I think that being present”

doesn't always have to be super positive either.

Whatever you're feeling, like, I truly believe, like if I'm feeling, you know, a ton of anxiety one day, I lean in it, from a face in it. If I'm feeling happy, like, you know I'm happy. But if I'm an angry son of a bitch,

like, I'm gonna lean into that too, because what I don't wanna do is be in congruent

- Yeah, you don't wanna withhold. - No, you can't, but that also doesn't mean

“that I downshift and retreat from what I'm supposed to do, right?”

Yes, today, I remember, and I'm very open with my kids too, just like, you and Andrew, I was sitting there at my daughter's play. I gotta show you guys the video as it's so cute. And I was, like, to the right of me was my older daughter

and then my wife. And I just had my head, like, in my lap. And I had this overwhelming sense of anxiety. Like, it wasn't anything related to where I was at. Like, I had my phone on my pocket.

I could feel it buzzing constantly. I'm like, my God, what's going on? Is there a fire that I need to put out? But my, my daughter goes, "Daddy, what's wrong?" I go, "I mean, I'm so anxious right now."

She was really why I go, I don't know. I said, "It's, I go, it's work stuff." And then I just put my head down and I just took some deep breaths and she starts rubbing my back. And, you know, it, but I was still present, right?

Because I was interacting.

“And I was like, telling her what I was going through”

at that moment. And then she brought me back. And then I cried in the dampen ordinance. It's like, you had to get it out. I just, you know, like, yesterday was a whole thing.

I told you guys, like, off camera, like, I, I got emotional during the, the Wackadoo Zoo. And then I got emotional at the very ending of 13 going on 30 last night. That's where I'm at in my life, Jesse.

- Your man's training. - I, seriously, holy shit. Like, I'm a cryer, though, like, I, I can bad thing. - I don't think it is either. I think, you know, I grew up being told

that boys and men don't cry.

And what I found is I was always angry because of it

because I'd never released these emotions, you know, for me now though, like, if I'm feeling a certain way, like, I'm leaning into that shit, you know, because I think at that point, then I can understand my emotions, right?

And then I could be better for everybody else around me. - Mm-hmm, exactly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. - Yeah.

- I, I, I tell you what, like, I'm impressed by you guys. Like, like, truly, because, you know, again, I've said it time and time again, you know, over the last hour now almost is to see you guys go through this and see you specifically go through the journey, right?

- Yeah. - You're the one directly going through it. But the amount of support and love you have in your house, it's easy to see it, mm-hmm. It's easy to see it, it comes out, but like, you know, damn it.

“The thing is, I think it's important as a man”

to have other men that they can lean on and open up to. And I admire you, man. And you know, I, I, I, I didn't.

You know, it, because I, I never, I never want to go

through this, yeah. - Yeah. - You know, but I know what a real man acts like when he does. - I wouldn't have been able to get through what I've gone through without him.

- That, that's amazing. - These, my rock, he's, he's been there every step of the way, he's been at every chemo, he watches the girls when I can't do it and he takes care of the house. He's, I mean, I, I would have been nothing without him.

- I am. - I know a lot to him. - That to me is true masculinity. - It is. - 'Cause I think it's misconstrued a lot nowadays, like they entertain to the world and like, everybody, this is what, this is what, this is what,

that's how masculinity is really supposed to be like, no. - Yeah. - You know, a real man's supposed to be tender, understanding, strong, and just be there when he's supposed to be, to me, that's a man showing up when shit is not going the right way,

right? What are, what are some of the qualities in Andrew that you may have already known, but have really come to light in this journey that you respect so much more now?

- He's caring to like another level of caring.

Like he puts me first, he's always put me first,

but like this level of first is anything that I need, if I'm with the chemo on the side effects, it's hour by hour, you don't know how you're gonna feel the next five minutes. - Oh, Jesus.

- And will be, I'll be cleaning the house or I'll be playing with the girls or I'll be doing something in the house and I'll just be staying there. I'm like, I can't stand anymore. I need to just go lay down and he will just go lay down.

I got it, no worries, no confrontation, no nothing, just you go and relax. And he's just always put me first,

I got it, don't worry about it.

And that's, I mean, we wouldn't have gotten through this journey if I didn't have him.

“- Yeah, I mean, I think choosing the right partner”

is like one hundred percent. - I mean, you know, choosing the wrong partner is a whole other thing, right? - Yeah. - When you were, I guess not when you're reminded,

but when you're shown evidence that you chose right. - Oh, I got it. - You know what I mean? - Thank God, you know, and I think that, you know, too, it's, you know, like I got two daughters as well.

And what is going on in your household is so much more than getting through this and, you know, getting ready to come out the other side. What's going on right now is your daughters are watching how a man loves a woman.

- Yes. - And how a woman deserves to be treated. - Yep.

- That is the most important gift in a girl could ever get.

My wife always told me, it's always telling me this, the daughters get their confidence from how their dad loves them. - Yep. - That's heavy, right? - Because I mean, I mean, you see my stuff like,

I don't ever lose it on my son. But my daughters, I can, I can get very frustrated. 'Cause sometimes I feel like I can't win, you know, but there are also two, those are, those are my girls. I would kill and name for them.

- Right. - And my son too, like, if I go to my kids and find out, like, or my wife. But like, you know, it's just an important topic because there's a lot of dads out there

that just because they're home, they think they're there. - Yeah. - And that's not necessarily the case. They're numbing through food, alcohol, porn, whatever, and they're not being present

with their children and a daughter needs their dad. Just like us, I mean, look, a son and a daughter need their dad. Son and a daughter need their mom. Because there's two different gifts that each one's have, right?

Like, my daughters love cuddling with me at night. But if they have their choice, they want mama. - Yeah. - They want mama. - Yes.

- But in the morning, they all come downstairs and they know I'm cooking the breakfast. Like, those are the different things, right? The different, we don't really exercise normal general roles in our house.

We just do what we need to do. - Exactly. - You know, like, if I'm not home and the garbage needs to be taken out, Jackie will get up and go do it.

- Of course, yeah. - If, you know, I notice that the laundry's getting, I'm gonna do better at this babe. I promise, like, it's in my calendar, but I keep fucking it up.

But I wanna be able to, to put the laundry in, you know, and take it out. The problem with the laundry is I don't like folding it. - Yeah. - You know, like, that's the thing that fucks me up.

I'll wash it and dry it, like, that's fine.

“But I get, you know, I think we're all wired in a household”

to really make sure that the home is moving this is moving as possible because when it doesn't, then when my wife gets home, she's stressed. - Yes. - Right?

So. - We have a thing is, if I'm given 80, you gotta give 20. Like, we get it to 100, but, like, say, I'm just slacking today, I'm, I'm 80%.

I need you to carry my weight in the 20%. That's what we do. - Yeah. - He knows when I would work long hours, he would fix dinner, he would do, he, he's the cook.

I'm not the cook. - I'm the cook to do, like, I cook every meal, every, every one of them. - Every one of them. - But if I'm struggling with laundry and on behind,

he knows how to do it, he will do it, he'll take out the trash or empty the trash cans, like, he's there. He's the backbone. - That's awesome.

That's good. - Yeah. - Not surprise, buddy, not surprise. Well, thank you so much for coming on and it's been great chatting with you.

“I think we're gonna get food now, right?”

- Yes. - We get some food and what I hope people heard out of this is just your grit and your determination to get through this and to be ready to come out the other side, but at the same time, be present or you're at.

- Always. - Always, right? Because there's a gift there, right?

And even though it's not something that's always gonna be fun,

it's important to remember this. - It taught us to slow down. - You used to move really, really fast. - All the time, with just being busy with work and the kids and just, we're just trying to get through the motions,

you know, get to the end of the night. And you're just trying to get everything done. Now it's kind of like, let's just slow down and 'cause I'm not currently working. So it's given us actually more time with the girls,

like me personally, which I'm actually really grateful for. Even though it's shitty circumstances, but. - But you still get more time with them, right?

you move fast, is I feel like the day quick, quick, quick. And once the kids come to the door after school, or a kid. - Yeah. - Home work. - Can I have a snack, I'm like, I just gave you snacks.

And now you want more snacks, like, you know, and then it's dinner, you know, then it's, and if it's the night, the girls have to wash their hair, oh geez, that's another thing, right? Like, my youngest, she doesn't like, you know,

'cause she has a lot of hair. And then my middle shirt, so, okay, I'll wash my hair, it's fine,

it's not big deal, but like, there's always something

going on. - Yes.

“- You know, and I think that being able to slow the game”

down a little bit is something that I need to get better at, because, you know, the school, you know, hearing the kids about the kids' day, certain things that they're struggling with, the homework, their sports, you know, my wife and her stuff.

And then I have my shit too, right? And it's always hard to sit there and go like, is this a time where I should interject and be like, hey, I'm struggling with this today? Or do I just need to let them have this?

And slow my shit down, but then also slow down to a point where I'm actually enjoying the evening, 'cause that's hard. - Yeah, that's, I realize it's, I get to. That's the thing is what I get to brush their hair or I get to tuck them in now,

because sometimes you're going so fast or you're just, I'm feeling crummy from chemo and I don't get to do that. So now, when I get those chances, I get to tuck them in to bed and everything like that.

So, I think that's a new outlook that we have is to slow down and I get to give them a bath tonight. I get to make them dinner. And sometimes I don't get to do that. So when I do, I cherish it.

- Reframing always helps in understanding

that words actually have definition, and they mean something, right? So my wife and I have always, we get to. Like that is something that is big in our house. And to a point where, like, it's natural to say,

like, okay guys, I have to go cook dinner now. You get to cook dinner. And I know what she means. - Yes. - If anybody else were in a hospital like Dan,

I mean, she's telling his ass to get them. Get out of the backyard and fire that Dan grew up. That's not what she's saying. - Yeah. - She's saying you get to have a family

that you get to cook and provide for. - Exactly. - Right, you get to.

“And I think that, you know, any time, we either one of us”

says the word half two, it's like, nope. - Mm-hmm. - No, because we also want our kids hearing that. - Yeah. - You know?

- You can take your mindset. - Yeah, like there's times where my wife will look at the kids, like, you get to go to this prep school. You get to have this much homework. Like, this isn't an opportunity that everybody

has the opportunity to have. - Yes. - You know, so I think just the reframing, right, is super important. Like, even when you're, you know, even if you're tired,

like, you'll be driving home, you know? And I'll be like, 'cause turning the switch off is hard for me. - Yes. - Right, like, you know, coming from this to whatever it is,

I'm gonna walk into. Like, I don't know, right? I have no freaking clue what I'm walking into. It's Friday, it's hopefully it's Gucci. I don't know, hopefully it's fine.

But she's never known. - Yeah. - And understanding that no matter what it is, this is my family and I get to be here with them. Like, it is the most beautiful and natural thing ever, you know.

So, oh, man, well, thank you again. - Thank you. - 'Cause it wasn't so bad, wasn't it? - No, it wasn't okay. - It's okay.

- You did great. I thought you did great. You know, I'm sure you inspired some people, and there's people that listen to this

“and it'll be like, oh, wow, I'm going through this, right?”

And that's the beautiful thing about this show, is we tell real stories. - Yeah. - We don't click Bay People, we don't do any of that shit. We just, whatever I can connect with on the gas,

it's like, okay, this is the story I can bring out.

And in a second experience, right?

And I bet you you wake up tomorrow and be like, oh, that wasn't so bad. - Yeah. - And trust me, it's gonna come out very good. I have a feeling about these things, right, Dennis?

This is a really good one. So when it airs, you're gonna get to hear this and how special your relationship is and how special your relationship is with your kids and how special you are.

- Oh, thank you. - To be able to shoulder this and kick this shit out of this thing. So I'm excited for you. I'm excited for you, I'm excited for the bonfire.

That's gonna be fun. - Oh my gosh, yes, you're gonna have to come. - I will come. I'll be there. Trust me, that's actually going down

and you're gonna burn that shit. - My parents have a bonfire area. Yes, we will, we will have one. - We'll bring the fam. - Awesome.

- We're gonna, you know what? - Yeah, everybody will have to bring something pink.

- Bring something pink, just one thing.

Just burn it, burn it. Oh my gosh.

“Well guys, thank you so much for listening.”

Go check out Jessie at the breast chapter

on Instagram. Follow her journey and watch her win this thing, but I encourage you to do one thing though.

“When you find her page, I want you to scroll”

all the way down to the beginning and I want you to watch every single video

because you're gonna see how amazing she is,

how amazing her husband is, and her kids,

“and how she has chosen to take this thing on and beat it.”

So I hope this message today inspires you guys. If you're going through something like this, definitely know that you're not alone. Check her out, dive into her story, and share this episode with somebody

that you know love and trust. And thank you guys again for listening and watching. I couldn't do this. Couldn't be where I'm at without you guys being faithful listeners and watchers of the show.

So have a great day guys. Until next time, stay determined.