DTN Podcast | Jim Alstott Ep. 55 From Near-Death to Trauma Mastery with Matan Kohan-Sitran

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Welcome back to the Drop the Needle Podcast.

I'm your host Jim All-Staten. I'm so happy all decided to join us. Today's guest used to fantasize about getting hit by a truck on his way to his finance job. Then he had an actual near-death experience that left him with PTSD, panic attacks,

and unable to be alone with his own daughters for nine months. But that trauma became his training ground. Now, 20,000 sessions later, Matanko and Citron has become a master at helping people to release trauma stored in the body, combining hypnosis, chigong, movement, and shadow work into something that actually works.

He went from following everyone else's formula to discovering that sometimes your old ways have to die in order to find out who you really are. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Matanko and Citron. Welcome. Thank you for speaking to the air, Jim.

Happy to have you on. Thank you for making the time for this.

“Why don't we take a moment and let everyone know a little bit about yourself?”

So formally, the formula I got into training was a 21 years old, and I knew that they were going to throw you up, I'm gonna give you a backup shot and that was my every story has to have a beginning when the beginning is way before the childhood, perception, trauma, it's family, it's all of that. However, when I was 21 years old, I knew that I'm going to try yoga and I traveled around

the world, and I started to be singing with different teachers.

From the tier, I met two years into that journey, I met my first teacher.

So obviously two years into the journey, you wasn't my first teacher, but first time that I got a system, a medicine that worked me, it served me to where I was at that moment in time, and it was such a big shift in my life, all of a sudden. I started to open, I was able to fall in love to stay longer with partner, and I said that if the reason practice like that, that can support me in that way, I'm gonna do it

every day, and about 25 years later, I'm still doing something every day, day care of my body, my mind, my side taking my spirituality. That's wonderful. So where were you born? I was born and is right. Okay, because obviously there's an accent and I wanted to make sure that everybody was

aware where you came from, so thank you for sharing that. And that's a great story, and it's a great point too, that every story has a beginning. It's got to start somewhere, right? So if you don't mind, let's jump into some questions. Okay, so you've fantasized about getting hit by a truck to escape your job, then had an actual

near-death experience. Did the universe have a sixth sense of humor or were you literally manifesting your own wake-up call?

“I think I was manifesting my whole wake-up call at some moment.”

If it was years later, you know, like, when we didn't finance and having that, and near-death experience, it was about eight, nine years, but I do have part, you know, like I, you know, I think we're asking if we have a part, or if we don't have a part, I didn't have part in fantasizing about this happened to me. Yeah, wanting to claim my life.

So it's one of those things that's where your focus goes, your energy flows from the

It must have been a pretty rough time for you to think that that was the only way out of

your situation. And yes, you know, I guess that the one thing that is common for most people is that we underestimate our own power and we live in a place that we, we change by pain more than

“we change by thinking positive, since I think people will make it easier in our culture”

to move from one to three or from two to four instead of taking your life and your life is eight or seven and to a nine.

So I think this is something that we live in right now.

Yeah, I also think a lot of that has to do with the instant gratification that we as humanity looks for, especially right now, you know, that that I want this now, I want it now, and you bypass some of the educational moments, if you will, because pain is the greatest motivator for sure. So after 20,000 sessions, what's the one trauma pattern you see stored in everyone's body

that nobody talks about, you know, the thing that we're all carrying around, but pretending we're not.

They're few, but if I have to pick one, it's self-abandonment, because then I will explain

because we don't have the version of our three or so that the rancher, let's without clothes and, you know, let's do whatever, then it's in front of ourselves in front of others and at one point we get a cue from a, from life that we're very cute, that we're not cute and whatever happens to us, trauma, not trauma, and we are living ourselves, you know, that we're living our part, we're living, and we're shifting to a different way of existence

and this mind can be expressed in, you know, later in life in whatever, in weight issue,

“in anxiety, in depression, in my underrated issue, but I think this is part of the journey that we all have,”

I have to admit, maybe, you know, from a spiritual point of view, it says, this is life, this is why we hear, like, because if kids, most people, most kids are very connected to themselves, like I look at my girls, my girls are now 13 and 16, when they were, when they were like two, three years old, it's like pure life, no, no, you know, no friction or anything like that and as we grow older, we have that friction that moves us away from being ourselves,

so I think this is personally what I really enjoy doing, people, helping people get to, that they're having a, that they're appreciating themselves, they feed their self energy in yoga, we call it the self, you call it the what I'm sorry, we call it the self, like what you want, yes, okay, you want to experience self the energy of yourself, yes, instead of the mind of, you know, I have that conditioning of the ego. That's interesting that you say that because as you were

discussing the free flow of childhood, you know, when you're just in the flow all the time in that, in that bliss state, it seems to me that a lot of the friction that we cause ourselves is self-induced as we go along, we, we add those layers of whatever to our soul, to our purpose, to whatever, and it causes that friction, it starts to build and grow. So it's very interesting.

“I think, I think about it, it's a double it's for, because it's based on survival, it's based on”

things. The reason that I become anxious or that I, the person become anxious or doesn't care or care too much or whatever the behavior is, it's an old partner and it's usually at some point we try to change it and it comes with a lot of shame and a lot of judgment around it. So a lot of time that was my experience using another person and another nervous system and that's through many different healing, modernity that there is in neutral nervous system, that is not going

that's that wound, that little drama that that carries. That's very, very good and it's very insightful.

“I agree with that. So I want to go back then and talk about this, because this is something”

that you mentioned on your website and through our conversation, and I've mentioned it before, on the show that we have pre-show calls just to get to know each other and have some conversation, and you had said that you couldn't be alone with your daughters for nine months after your NDE, you know, as a trauma expert now, what was happening in your body that all your yoga and

chigang training couldn't touch at that time? I was in PTSD, like my, my nervous system was

completely out of fun life. I was going to recycle that used to take me three weeks, used to take me three hours, so it was just out of alignment that wasn't feeling safe in my body. I got to belief unconsciously that I'm not safe. And my body reacted accordingly, and there was a big energy in the body that I needed, that I had to relieve it, and there are different kinds of trauma. For me, it wasn't something that it took a week or month to let go. It took me a year,

until I started feeling more comfortable. It was a, you know, a big state of misalignment. It's like

you have your mind, but you cannot trust your mind, because a lot of the time your mind is telling you things lies to you, right? Yeah, you know, and I think that our mind lies to us a lot of time, but there is a different angle of flying, like, you know, like, that was way bigger than that, that's like a lie, you know, like a panic attack, like those that are growing in the mind are a little bit different than being nervous to take a test or to go through it. Yeah, there's a different level

of nervousness or anxiety associated with us things, you're right. And thank you for, for being

“vulnerable and, and talking about that. I, I think it's important for people to hear that”

and to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it may not be easy to get there. It may take some work and some effort, but you can get there. And that's, thank you so much for sharing that. Yes, we, it's definitely we can get there. I think the challenge that we have is that, for most people, like, they have a light, like, they have a job, their kids, they, they have all of these students, and sometimes a healing takes, it's like the

nervous system is not functioning well. So, for example, I used, I was able to do before that, it was able to work 30, 35 hours a week of contact work, like doing session after that. I went down to 15, like that was my mock. If I was, was really 15, I started getting to stress. I needed to just spend more time in the wood for time and with myself to take care of my own energy. That's, it was a big difference. It, it, it was a huge difference. However, it's true to everyone,

because let's say about, let's talk about, uh, functioning adults, type of, uh, pretend that there is a term like, all right. Okay. So, let's say you work for the hours that we,

“that's the average time that you work. If you want to work, let's say for me, if I'm going to work”

less than that, I'm going to be a little bit, it's happier. Now, if I'm going to work over that, if I'm going to work 50, 60 hours a week, somebody's going to pay the price. Yes, it's going to be myself. I'm going to be my family as a result. I'm not going to be the same person that I am, if I, you know, if I'm over you think there is or so that I have. That's an interesting point because I think that there are those that are out there listening that could be considered

well, I, I know a lot of times you think, it's fine. Nothing's changing me. I love what I do.

“I thrive in this. And but there's only so much of that. And let's let's just say that you're in a”

stressful 9 to 5 job, which isn't 9 to 5, then it becomes 9 to 9 or 430 a.m. till 9 o'clock at night. And you're right. When you think everything's okay, you don't notice how things are crumbling around you. Like you, you had mentioned family. What a, a toll that it takes on a family because there is frustration that comes out. There is anxiety. There is a, a lot of emotion that that comes out that you may not even know comes out. Yes. Right. Because you're unaware. You're just because you're,

you're focused so intently on that work or that project or what have you. And that's. Yes, interesting. You know, like, you, if I'll take back a little bit, what you think, a person is not becoming worth a holiday overnight. True. So they, it's like, there are cases like that they call trauma. All right. Like, for example, somebody passes away and then the person takes that belief that let's take my partner across the way. I have to do whatever I have to do in order to support my family.

And I'm just going to be obsessed with work. This is like an example of an overnight. However, in most cases, it's, again, it's back safe. It's like, I'm a person is saying, I'm better off working right now than being with my family. And that's, you know, powder. Okay. It comes upon three years of behavior. The person doesn't know how it's to be, how it's, how it, how how you experience

this experience when it's not obsessed with work. Okay. Like, for example, a person with never

exercised, never been to, to the gym or went for a walk or did anything for their mental health, their, their mind doesn't even know how to think about it. There is, you know, in yoga, we call it a version like we have a firm. We don't know what it is, so we reject it for the market. Wow. Okay. Yeah, it, it seems like it is something that's developed much like a muscle I suppose, but it is out of self-preservation almost. And that's, that's, you know, we, we, we

“touch upon it, you know, before that's why I think meditation is a practice, is so important,”

because the focus or the focus or the fairies or the butterfly that the union might watch, it's not about those high experiences, like our mind is going all the time when we are masters of the nine. Yes. And how just by being with that creates magic in people's life or sending over and over. That's great. In another, great response. Thank you. So you had mentioned toxic masculinity before, and you say toxic masculinity was part of your

shadow work. Yes. What specific body part holds toxic masculinity and how to men literally

“feel it leaving when they release it? I think that it's, they're hard, but we that being said,”

every person holds tension different in their path. Can people have all it in their lower back, some people in their neck, in their throat, in their head, in their eyes, some people in their gut, in their in the diaphragm area. And so I, from working with people, I don't assume that, for example, if I'm going to work with the somebody holding toxic masculinity, it wants to see bacteria.

The second part, you asked me, I think, was what happened when they released that? Yes.

They're able to, you know, it's a shadow, so they're able to experience themselves. So for me, for example, I grew up in, in the Middle East, so there is kind of it's a more macho, a more like strong

For me, it's that the ability to, to be vulnerable to the situation, to listen to my heart,

try to, to experience all of this range of emotions that my unconscious mind was not, it was not

“allowing me to experience before things like I don't know. Right, that's a big one too, where I think”

we as men oftentimes take it upon ourselves to fix something. You know what I mean? Where do you just go? Oh, I got to, I got to fix that. When somebody's talking to you about something and they may just want to vent your, and I'll speak for myself, my mind typically goes,

well, how can I, how can I fix this? How can I solve this problem? Yeah. And it's not broken.

Yeah, right. You know, it's not broken. Yeah. That's the beauty of when you open your realize it's just a different way of communicating, you know, like for a man, we're a lot, a lot of men, they know how to repress it, so they still in the keenest setting. Right. They're, of their existence, that they're stressing, okay? Not which is a great way to communicate and people, you know, for a lot of people, this is the way of releasing energy through conversation. That's an interesting

perspective. And the way that some people are visual. Yes, I can, I can speak again for myself

that when you mention repression of emotions and things like that, a lot of people may think that when you repress certain emotions, it's just an emotion. It's, it's nothing physical. Well, it becomes physical because I, I got to the point where I was nearly 400 pounds, now, sure, the report eating habits and I was trying to do, you like, make the pain go away type of thing and whether it be from food or alcohol or pain killers,

because I was in a lot of pain at that time, too. But it does, it just, it does impact your body, stress in emotions and not being vulnerable or your authentic self does take a toll on you. And it wasn't until I got to the point where meditation was such a huge part of that, by the way. But it wasn't until I was able to be my authentic self and speak my truth. And I was doing all of the things I started to be more involved with movement, with physicality, working out

and things like that's a mind-body spirit. It really did kick in to help with that, that loss, the weight loss of 150, some odd pounds. And since I've kept that practice,

“I've kept the weight off. I don't think it's by mistake that that's, that's happened. I think that,”

it's due to these, the new way of life that was probably, you know, very old way of life when you think about those things. Yes. You know? I think what you're saying is that there is so much power in the emotions. It's like there is so much communication that happens with the motion, with the body. Then when we're suppressing them, we're thinking that we're not a world that we're not happening. We just, I've said a door, I don't know me a week ago.

He said that I worked with him a few months ago. That all the way of not going to the gym and not eating healthy and talking shit to herself was actually taking way more energy than right now, that she's not doing that. We're gaining energy from that or from repressing it,

“but actually there is so much energy on conscious energy going into that progression. That's why”

when people are releasing that all of this phantom energy starts to flow. And then they're getting out, you know, like the energy is flowing. So the body starts working. Their body starts becoming

the energy stuck and we have to release that and let the energy flow and then the body starts healing

“itself. Being healthy is our natural state and I think people should remember that. Being”

sick is not natural. Being healthy is not true. We're here to be healthy. That's very good. So I have a question for you as it relates to that release and I would imagine over 20,000 plus sessions you've probably seen this. When somebody releases that trauma, can you actually see or feel when it leaves them? Absolutely. What does that look like or where can you see something physically in their body or what is that? It might be a little bit different. There are

people that experience the break to write in the session. Like one of my mentor Jeff Confield calls it every pass on a facelift to that experience that people come and they meditate for a few days and after that, you know, like they're all facing, lighting up and they let go of that tension. So it's the same thing. I see people that are just their junk carried that weight anymore. Now, for my perspective, if you do it in a session or to do it over a few sessions

and let it happen in a life, everything is a choice. And I've heard to generate a prefer to let people do the work by themselves, so it's not truly in their life. Because as practitioners, any kind of practitioner, any person who holds session, you can do the session for the sake of the session after a lot of like motivational speaking. Sure. Or you can do the session with the

intention for the person's life and I will always refer to do something that will serve people

in their life versus in the whatever 90 minutes or hours and hour they have with me they will say

“"Wow, this is a myth. I always know how you think you're great." Yeah, I think the one that the other”

one is more ego for you than it is for, you know, absolutely right. Helping somebody get through something. So, I know that you've trained with the masters in the East and the West. What's the one thing Eastern wisdom gets wrong about trauma and what's the one thing Western therapy will use the term therapy misses completely? In many years, in fact, I practice with Eastern masters. Now like 20-plus years ago and I'm also later, but I don't think they understand the complex of life

that we have. When I was in the mountains of Lady Malaya, they didn't have social media and phone

“at all. And the most important thing I think, you know, from the point of history, we're really”

in a place that we've never been with the amount of stimulation that we have. But if I confer myself

for your listeners, it's like, we get more stimulation in an hour than a monkey named Malaya getting a year. It's a great. You can't confer the... No, that's fascinating to me that you you mentioned that because I've had conversations with people, let's let's talk about children here. For example, I can't imagine the pressures and the stress that kids today have that we didn't have to contend with because of what you mentioned, social media, overstimulated

minds because there's always something new, something immediate. And that's the thing about news too.

You talk about diet, right? And diet isn't just consumption of food. It's what you consume around you. And if you have almost instantaneous access to information, news, and let's be honest, most news we get to make it newsworthy is negative because they're looking for that attention.

What's some advice you might give someone as it relates to that? When you get frustrated with your kids or that they're not paying attention, a lot of times it's because their brains are reprogrammed to be, you know, always scrolling down or what are they called? Doomsgrowing? Yeah, I think what might

be some advice you have? The picture, I think it's the most important thing. First,

for me, it's apparent the question that the change, the change in my mind is like, how do I want my relationship to be and what I want my relationship to be based on? And it depends on the child. However, there are times that I see my kid is doing a behavior that we're not serving them.

“We also have to remember that the world that they live and the world that we live there can”

different world. Absolutely. I'm going to bounce back because when you were talking about that,

I just, I have an ADHD mind. So if there's a shiny object, I'm all over the place and that happens.

So, sorry. And that's not a weakness. No, I don't view it as that. Sometimes people around me, they may, but I don't. You know, we live with the, with the courses that are based about teaching our kids how to obey instead of being engaged. That's very true. That's very true. So Western therapy, what is Western therapy with uncompletely? And now we're catching up, but it's the body. We consider things to be too mental.

Like talk therapy, for example, is one of these things that we're completely ignored the body.

“We completely ignore the feeling, the emotion. And also from a business point of view, I think it's about”

maintaining the client, the practitioner. This is their business. They want to have a full book. And in order to have a full book, they maintaining their clients. It's not about necessarily about helping clients. Because they can ignore all of these different things. Don't get me wrong. I love therapy, but it's important that a person is teaching a healthy, that he's sleeping, that he's exercising, that he has community, that you have friends, and he has other places to do. Go to

encourage yourself. So this is where I think the hypnotherapy really comes into play. Let's take a moment and talk about that and how you integrate that into your practice for your clients. How do you determine that that's the best course of action for one of

your clients? Basically, I have two kinds of businesses that I run. I have the movement practice,

and I have a hypnotherapy plan. People don't have to make a hypnotherapy. They're ready to work and they're giving therapy. They buy it from their friend to work with me or they find me online

“or something like that. So they're coming and they're ready. They have a hint. It's not that I think”

we did not therapy is very hard to market it. It's something to say every form of people therapy is different. And so we start with the client. We start with the problem that they're having. And we start with the context of the client. But they're great. You know, they're great, even a hypnotherapy tracks on YouTube that you can find. It's a sleep to eat healthy, to do whatever you want to do to perform. What I do is more a one-on-one kind of custom work that the context

to try. So I asked my client a question. This is something that a lot of people don't take. They take it for granted that they have to, because we live in a society and they think, "All right, I'm going to sit into a salsa dancing class. I'm going to zoom back, go to the gym, I'm going to go to Asian restaurants or whatever. People like to think where they are in the

what you're here to overcome, how the problem that you have is the problem for you. And what

“do you want to move through that?" So I mentioned to you that we've had hypnotherapists on the show”

before. And one of the common themes or threads that comes through in conversations with hypnotherapists is how fast the results surface versus standard forms of therapy and talk therapy. And you know, I'm not well-versed because I number one, I'm not a therapist. But I am curious about this because if someone's experiencing a tremendous amount of pain and could be PTSD, could be a number of different things that is the trigger or the cause, they want to get to that

relief point faster, right? Why isn't that, well, I guess you answered that book of business type

“of thing. I was thinking why are people going for that? You know, I started to make it personal”

for me and maybe I shouldn't have. So I lost the frame of that question because all of a sudden, I started thinking, "Okay, well, how could that benefit me by doing hypnotherapy?" You know, so that's, I'm just, I'm intrigued by it because I think there's a big value to it. But I think there's more to it than just the hypnotherapy. There's got to be something more that

makes it so successful. Therapy is a tool. I'll start with the hypnotherapy is a tool that first and

I believe in that every form of hypnosis is self-gnostic. I cannot hypnotize a person. I can help him hypnotize himself. I created, guiding them and creating the environment. They're going and putting these ideas to the mind. If I'm going to say to you, Jim, it's more grins. It's a general

“statement and you have a choice if you want to accept that. I gave you something that is silly”

stupid in the hypnotherapy. Okay? The idea of hypnotherapy and white works is because it focuss on the belief. The behavior that people have, if it's a, if it's pain, if it's trauma, if it's anxiety, is a result of something else. It's a result of the belief. If I, for example, for myself, I was feeling anxious. That wasn't. That was the behavior that I was suffering from. It was sitting in the belief that the world is not safe, that I am not safe. And that's true for everything.

That's true for self-expression. If I, if I believe that I can be myself and drive in the world for being myself and doing well in the world for being myself, even making money for the world for being myself, that's a different story. Yes. Entirely different story. That's so how does, then,

how do you go about helping someone get from point A to point F? So then, first, I get to

what point A because the problem that people have and the problem that they think that they're having with a little bit different problem as we discussed before, we have a mind that's a master of denial and doesn't really want to show us the problem. A lot of time I get to people to what the problem is and I call it it's usually like if five to seven degrees of separation of question of seeing what the issue is to what the people think the issue is to what the issue is about. And then when

we get that A, their nervous system is able to process that stress response. Because it's like, wow, I've been just lying to myself for example. And it's like instead of trying to hide

you know, I've been not nice to my partner this morning, like to take ownership of that. And I think

“that, you know, a lot of therapy, the reason, the reason to ownership of situation, that's why”

I love what I do because it's so empowering, because people want to feel empowered, people don't want the work to be done for themselves. That's why they go to, you know, the nature kind of material. Sure, there is nothing wrong with that. I don't judge, you know, in many situations that it's helped people to deal with life better. And so this is the first step that we get to what the

problem is really. What's the problem, Eve? And then, understanding what the problem is, we are

able to make the connection to what the person wants. You know, like, let's say if you had the magic wanted, this is the problem, what did you want? So, you know, it's like, all of this, you know, there is the triangle of four, the person is where the problem, where the real problem is and where

“the solution, once the person realized that the problem that he has, it's not really what he thought,”

the solution is different. Hmm, person is able to see that what he was looking for, whatever it is, I'm looking for 10 million dollars that I will not have to stop for forever. It's one more hour of my life. Okay, once you realize that that work is not the problem,

let for example, using that, the solution is different, people want something different.

You know, to remind that say, I want to avoid that, but in reality, people looking for a way to deal with life. They're not to, for a way, not to deal with life. And once you realize that what's in front of them, so, and then there is, okay, and then there is the, so there is a, there is the real problem and there is the real solution. And then there is a dance that we're going with and what the, what a hypnotist does is helping you to take the critical thinking down.

In a very light way, okay, doesn't tend to be big, it doesn't have to be like an, an ayahuasca or, or, or something like a monumental shift, right? Yeah, it's something that, that happens, you know,

it's a dance, okay? So, it's a critical thinking down, because when we're kid before the age of nine,

ten are critical thinking down, if you will say, you look outside the, the sky is green, if we look outside, it will believe you. I said that to you, you see your eyes didn't even, I don't know if you have windows where you are, but they did it. Yes, right, right. You so, know that the sky cannot be great, okay? So, what we do by using metaphor, using stories and less, you know, the toolback box is huge, is helping people take that critical thinking down,

and then what we do, we are pretty much this associating from the problem, that this is one way, you know, if they went, most of my class, they went for over ten years of therapy and the event PhD and knowing what their problem is. So, with those associates from them, and what we do, we anchoring the solution that they want to have, okay? And it's their solution. You see, the point is, it's not like, I'm telling, I'm asking my clients to know what, what they want,

okay? Like the mind work in a problem state in a solution state, and I'm in that session, I'm anchoring the solution of how they want, how they see the work, the world. So, one side of it is letting go of the trauma, letting go of whatever the belief that it's not serving, and anchoring a belief that it's going to, I'm serving you, you know, serve the individual,

“it's not right, it's wrong, it's if serving you or not served. We're not, right, right?”

So, when you were talking about or describing point A being, find essentially what that lie is, what, what do you line to yourself about or hiding, what the, maybe, I might be saying it incorrectly. But what, it's not the real problem, you're hiding, you're, you're telling yourself something else to avoid what the real problem is. In my situation, it is. In some situation, people know what they do know what the problem is.

Okay, so I'm wondering what it looks like or what the response is when people come to that

telling myself this story that it's this when it's, it's really not. Yeah, I think there is, I think there is teaching that. I would think there would be just, just thinking about it, that there would be some sort of relief that you go, I don't have to do this anymore. Yeah, because the mind is, is in a broken record, trying to understand what's wrong with me. And that's, you know, like one of my mentors said,

“you know, when we have a problem, the only thing that we focusing is in the problem, what”

exists other than the problem, nothing for the person who is in the problem. So let's say the problem is that I don't like myself, right? This is an example. Okay. What exists other than I don't like myself, everything. Yeah, I love myself, the son, the moon, that is with me and the room right now. So, you know, when people go to that, to that, that's what stuck with them, what's wrong with them. But the real, that's the real thing that we're unlocking in hipnotherapy, because a lot of

time, you know, like for, you know, for, for practice and, you know, to play around with hipnotherapy, a lot of time it did, I did the, I did sessions with people that I asked them specifically,

I don't want to know the problem is, you can know it in your mind. And then the same amount of

success without, without normalizing it or what have you, yeah, I can see it. Like, you know, the person go a person with the weight issues on anxiety or whatever, they go with it. They're focusing on the problem all the time. Right, consciously or unconsciously. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, in your toolbox, you have a lot of different healing modalities, like 10 different healing modalities. If you had to delete all but one from existence, which one would you keep to help

humanity heal and why would you do that? Love. That's the beginning and the end of the intention. Yeah, that's a good blanket with each other. You know, all that is your break. But love is, you know, it's you know, we in hipnotherapy we call it age stage class in, you know, in the other way, but different

name for it in rakey, they call it rakey, but basically they need to put them to our heart and to work

“from them. That's a great place to start and it's a great place to end isn't it?”

Yeah, it covers a lot of ground with that four letter word. That's that's one of the good four letter words, I think, you know, as far as I'm concerned. Well, why don't we do this? I know that I had mentioned to you the possibility of doing the body scan. I don't want to put you on the spot with that. I think we've covered unless you want to, unless you want to, that's entirely up looking. Or any other thing that you think people wouldn't think with, you know, we can do a game of words,

of associations, of whatever, of whatever day they would then keep it open. We're going to jump into the musical questions. Are you okay with that? Absolutely. Looking forward to that. Excellent. It's kind of big movement fan and music and movement and this is my way of

“releasing stress and connecting with myself is movement. I'll tell you what, I think”

a body emotion stays in motion. That's for sure. Okay, so here's question number one.

What was the first song that you fell in love with that you can remember saying,

"I can't wait to hear that song again." I don't have a song like that. I don't have much memory of music. It could be for the age of 20 or something like that. It grew up really well. Looking is really rock of the 90s and I really started listening to music after the army. So that's it. Okay. Yeah. So then let's do that way. What was one of the songs that you remember after getting out of the army? One of the songs. I guess Bob Marley was one of my favorites.

natural music. Oh yes. Yeah. I'm a big reggae guy. I'm a big fan of Marley. Yeah.

Big fan of his. That's fantastic. That's a good one. That's a real good one. I'm not sure you said so growing up at the family singing songs probably wouldn't hold true to you. No, that's so much. What about now? No. So I had a phase like what I really know. Talking about spirituality. I got into EDM music. Oh okay. Grants music. I used to love, you know, in my early 20s. I used to love going to nature parties and rave that all experience of

100 people, 1000 people, 2000 people dancing together in a sunrise somewhere. That's, you know,

that is close to God as it gets for me. So that's interesting that you say that because

“I have I mentioned in it regularly that I think music is the type that binds us all together.”

And sometimes people will go, I don't know about that. But the example that you just gave is the best example of that or it could be a concert where all of a sudden you may not be somebody that outwardly will start dancing or something but you're tap your toe or tap your, you know,

your finger on your knee. There's something about, there's something about music that connects

everyone in that moment. And I think it's so inspiring and it's bigger than then we realize. Absolutely. So I think one of the the questions that will

“make some sense to you is what's the song that gets the positive juices flowing?”

Positive juice. I guess I love my way, fragsy, nantra. Okay. The positive, you know, I listened this morning before what a wonderful world that's definitely on the positive. Oh, Louis Armstrong, yep. Yes, but for kind of my way, give me that set of empowering and kind of like that feeling of putting it all out, you know, like being committed to do myself, being your authentic self.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. I like that. So you know, and I like it. I really like reggae. I like hip-hop. I love jazz. I can listen to, you know, jazz that would refer without words.

“Usually. Okay. So I think people are very different. For me, for example,”

I don't really listen to the words so much when I'm listening to the music. Like I remember the sentences. And that, for example, I part of my life, I really get to listen to music with people. And I have people who understand it. They know every word of the song and my mind doesn't remember. Listen, work that way. Yeah. Like I'm not a, I'm not a verb, but I'm more keen to study person to work with the world. So that's it. I have a friend that's that's like that.

My friend Carrie is more emotes through dance than singing. And yeah, so yeah, I understand exactly what you're talking about. We're each person reacts to a song differently. And, you know, what's, what's very interesting. The food fighters. Dave Grohl talks about the perfect rhythm to get people moving. And it's bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. And it's where people can jump up and down for their songs. And he just said, it's just right.

And he said, when we want to have those, most of their songs are like that because they, he wants everybody in motion and feeling and being a part of it. So yeah, that's very interesting. Do you have a guilty pleasure song? And not right now. So you're not a Taylor Swift, a closet, Swiftie? I'm not a closet, Swiftie. I can,

Sometimes, I like this, so this one might be a tough one for you. Yeah. But what's a song you believe could change the way people think or feel about the world around them, if they just listen to the songs lyrics. The message we spoke about it earlier, like half an hour going to conversation cornerstone by Bob Marley. Oh, yeah. So the exactly the things people

doesn't come the word, the thing people refuse are the thing they should choose. And it's basically

about the version that we have, you know, to the wall to ourselves, if we're able to pay more

“attention to that instead of rejecting it. And I think, you know, there isn't something that”

that it's more present or future, especially that would live in a culture, in this console culture that, you know, you don't like one person that a person say and you just cancel that person, I think, and it's something that is apparent I'm working with my kids, like listen deeper,

be present, see what there is other than it's one thing that you don't like because,

you know, I work with people who did crazy and crazy things with their life and positive and negative, you know. But there is something positive behind it, like the intention is, there is the intention

“is to look for love, it's just like the wrong strategy that we get from the world. And I think that's”

that's where the power is in stepping into our version. That's very cool and very insightful. Okay, this will be my last question for you as a relates to music, but I will ask you to send me your playlist. Sometimes there are songs you hear that ring so true that they can stop you in your tracks. And the songs lyrics sound like there were either written specifically for you or by you. What's that song? I think back to my way, Frank Sinatra. Okay.

You know, I think about yourself believing in our own path and of being a root to our own path. I like that. That's a strong choice. And thank you for sharing. That's it. I appreciate that. Well, it's just about time to cue the music for today's episode, but don't forget to like, comment and subscribe to the drop the needle podcast to stay up to date, on our latest episodes. I would also like to take a moment to thank everyone again for

tuning in today. And I hope you enjoyed this episode of the drop the needle podcast. And I would also like to thank our special guest, Mr. Matan Cohen, Sitran for being on our show today.

“Matan, can you tell our listeners how they can get in touch with you?”

Thank you first. It's been pleasure being here.

This was great. I really enjoyed this. I guess for best places my website, Matan, S movement. So MAD and S movement.com. I also have the same thing on Instagram. Sure, whoever wants to find me would find it. Excellent. I'll make sure that by put those handles in the show notes. Speaking of, I invite you to head on over to our show notes where you'll find a link to today's playlist as well as the things that we just mentioned, how to get in touch with Matan.

All right. My drop the needle podcasty like Billy Joel says from the highs to the lows to the end of our show. This is the end of our show. Until next time, this is Jim Allstein wishing you infinite health, happiness, and the perfect playlist for your life. Thank you again for being the best part of us. Catch you next time.