Episode #111 Featuring Dr. Elizabeth Yurth and Dr. Robin Rose! The MOST COMPREHENSIVE Functional Medicine Interview! SGLT2 inhibitors, GLP-1's, Plasmalogens, Neuroplasticity, Covid dangers and more!

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I want to my guest is the very first person that's been on here three times. My other guest is

making her second appearance. She's had one of my top downloaded episodes. These two women are on another level of brilliant two of my favorite people to talk to, to laugh with, to learn from, and who I hold an extremely high regard. One founder of terrain health, COVID expert, such a kind-hearted woman has a new book coming out this year. Hopefully, I cannot wait for that I'm going to encourage everybody to take a look at my second guest. I have spoken about

“at length about the impact she's had on me personally, professionally, and every other witch”

way, founder of Boulder, Langevity, and well-known all over the place for multitudes of expertise levels. There's not enough that I could say about you both other than I love you both. Thank you for coming to see me. It is an honor, blessing, and privilege to introduce to you, Dr. Elizabeth Yerth, and Dr. Robin Rose. It's still on, you know, we feel the same of that use, so we're honored to be here, and thank you for inviting us. That was a really

lovely introduction. Thank you, and the feeling is very mutual. Thank you so much. Before I get into everything like I said, there's not enough that I can say both of these two, the impact that they've had on me, and so many people out there. There's not enough that I could say other than police, please go educate yourself with both of them. I'll get into how to follow them and everything towards the end, but the wide variety of knowledge base that you guys both have and the hearts

in which you deliver this, the motives, and everything in between, it has literally changed my life in multitudes of ways. So thanks for coming to see me, and we're going to get into a lot of stuff today. Primate, bring it. All right, Robin, I don't agree on everything, so that'll be perfect. That's good. A lot, but not everything. No human should ever agree on everything. But a lot, we do. Yeah, a lot we do. Anybody this is they agree with everybody and everything is bullshit.

“But that's true. It is good because that's what provokes thought and like why you work.”

Right, that and we're like, you know what you're right, you're right, and you know,

I always say that's one of the problems right is that, you know, you never put the sentient opinions

together in like medical conferences and things like that. And we always say, "Boy, I'd love to hear these two people who have completely opposite opinions talk against each other." It never happens. No, unfortunately, we have mostly sentient opinions, but that is. That's been like an unbelievable mentor to me in so many ways, too. When you're in the last, I'm blessed to have her in my life, and took all her one of my best friends, a closest friend. I love that. I just adore her,

and she's amazing. Well, she's like an angel helper in my life. I feel like I dream more. I totally agree. Here's one of the things that I like that I want to do with you both is because you may agree on certain things, but you also probably both have more things to add to each other, thoughts and opinions, too. And then if you do have a different type of opinion, it'll be good to compare and contrast. We talked about this a lot, Elizabeth and I did in terms of

the SGLT-2 inhibitors. And there's, you know how this goes. In our space, especially, most people have their own Jay Campbells. Crazy thoughts that he'll say sometimes that I know herk you, even though he's brilliant. But he says some off-the-wall stuff, and I love you Jay if you're listening. You know that. But I also know how you are as I've seen your actions. But

and what the future's holding for them. I know I have to take Jardy as for example for a specific purpose, but some people just take it just because of the health benefits.

Yeah, so what I would like to do is first explain what exactly it is, how it works. It's

method of function. And then the different reasons why one would take it, whether it's health related, or whether it's just because. Is there, what are called sodium glucose, transport, control transport inhibitors? So what they are doing is in the riddle tubules. We have these STLT, these sodium glucose, co-transporers that actually reabsorb glucose. So basically you eat something that is glucose, your body is going to reabsorb that into your system to act as a fuel.

If you block those co-transporers instead of that glucose being reabsorb back into your system, you just pee it out. So basically, inherently, we are actually just lowering the glucose impact that people have when they eat food. Right? And there is huge benefits. When we look at, most of the things we're looking at in longevity, starting with a GLP, it most things that work on metabolic control be intermittent fasting, right, or calorie restriction. The biggest

pieces that we've seen really having effects on longevity are things that really make metabolic

“control pristine. And this is one sort of almost cheaters way in my mind of doing them, right?”

Yeah, so I, you know, I've learned a lot from listening to Betsy and also her other colleague, added. That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. So I started really using them. I was using them.

I remember the first time I heard doctors saying talk about it at the PWC like two like year and a half ago,

and I was already dabbling in it, and then I really started using them a lot after I heard all the benefits because I was using them actually in a lot of my long COVID patients that had significant microclotting. And I found that when I added the STL2 inhibitors, they worked really in a very good way in helping sort of like reduce that burden because of all the mechanisms that we can get into or not going into. But anyway, they worked really great for that, and especially also because

a lot of them had a lot of insulin glucose dysregulation. So I, I would have been really in then like my world was blown up when I was like, oh my God, it impacts cardiovascular inflammation, neuroinflammation. It's a gut microbiome modulator. It's a me. It's a uricoseemic. So a lot of people we can get inside the being that you shaped curve with the uric acid and having too much too little. And so I found like people that had like a lot of like metabolic disorders and also that had

high-high uric acid. It was a really nice thing to sort of kill tubers with one stone.

So it really has an amazing place for so many things. But again, in the longevity space,

it's great because of all of these things in like a platropic drug that like impacts all these different pathways. And you can have like massive impact on health. To me, it's literally one of the most multifaceted drugs that I've ever really come across. It does so much such a variety of things.

“Right. For me, as you know, and something most do, I had a low ejection fraction. And that's why I”

got put on it. And so I started taking it in June. And I was retested in November. And I had a 44 on the left ejection fraction. And it was up to 50 with just Jardians D. Rybos powder and Hydochubic when all in I don't know four months right around there. So I have to retest again in February hoping it's closer to 55 where it's supposed to be. So what conditions would one use it for? I mean, I'm using it for I hate to say heart failure, but I guess pre-heart failure or whatever to

improve that. But what is it? What's its intended purpose, Jardians? And then what would what else could you use it for? Well, it got to start as a just like the GLP ones and it got to start as a drug for diabetes, right? Because absorbing less glucose less impact on insulin. So basically, we were had a great drug for helping treat diabetics. When we started to look at some mechanisms basically by increasing this, you know, metabolic control, you can start to see all of its benefits.

Because if I, you know, you get that cardiac function. If the heart really likes to run on fats and

“ketones and things like that. So if I block glucose, then the heart gets its best fuel, right?”

Now, almost all of our systems fly. I love ketones, right? Or why fasting so good for us is that if we stop the mitochondria from having to work so hard utilizing glucose, we block reactive

now we're going to turn to other sources of fuel. When you do that, you're going to improve in new and function, which is why it's so helpful in the long COVID patients, right? We've improved their immune function. We're going to improve cardiac function as the heart works better. Yeah. And we're going to improve neural function because we all know as we know the dimensions and cognitive declines are related to glucose dysregulation in the brain. So when we we've established

now a drug that is working on all these factors. And when you reduce the risk of disease from all these different things, whether it be immune or brain or cardiovascular, you reduce the risk of death from any source. What are some other STLT2 drugs aside from guardians that one would be aware of or possibly use? It's not. Yeah. So I usually use ampaclus whales in but the other silicon agophosin is, you know. And so there's what I call STLT1 inhibitors in STLT and two

numbers. We don't really want to get into that too much. But STLTs are probably the most powerful

“piece. STLT1s may have their place in certain rules, right? So I think that when we look at”

from our perspective of longevity, we're going to erirtue the STLT inhibitors primarily, which is primarily jardy and so on. Pagclosin, as opposed to conagclosin, which has a little bit of STLT1. And they're making that, which is the one that has like more, that's more cardiac specific. Canagclosin has a little bit more. Right. Right. It's cardiac specificity. Yeah. Which might be better for you, but um, just whatever's going to help. I think the downside is you also

see a little bit more side effects when those drugs and other issues. And I think we've turned turned it not along to have any world to jardy answers. Right. Incredible for kidney function. Yeah, we do not have. Yes. We don't have a few zoos. Kidney function declines in almost as all of us as we age. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And we don't really have any way or treating that. When I see somebody who's glimmer of filtration rate is dropping, what do we have to offer that

patient? But I'm sorry. It's a good question. And not and post COVID. It's seen, but there's so much kidney and injury. So much ground. If you ask it, please. Yeah. And so getting them on the

“Ampacliflo's in or the jardy answer is like really, really important. I'll tell you why I love it”

because I mean, I'm in the bathroom peeing a lot, but I told Queenie, you know, I I can eat way more because you're peeing out like 500 calories. Right. You're right. And so that's not really considered weight loss drugs. And yet they do, honestly, you know, help people with weight loss. Yeah. I wasn't looking for that. It's a healthy one. But they definitely help with weight loss. Oh, yeah. Well, I was

always about 185 and once I started taking it, I eat the same amount. I always did and work out

the same and it's on that 175, 176 range and it's just I haven't really changed anything. I eat a little bit more. But you know what? A couple of things I've noticed is it it's triggered heart palpitations for me because of low potassium. Because I sweat so much. I was already running on low potassium and I'm he and out of electrolytes constantly. And what I found because I couldn't figure out what was happening. And I every time I got potassium test is low, low, low. And I started,

they put me on a supplement and I started slamming more and slamming more and then it stops. So it has to be what it is. And then the intresto was added and I already have low blood

“pressure so I got rid of it because you have to be careful with those things. Yeah, I lower in the”

blood pressure too much. The other cool thing about the S.E.T.A.L.T. inhibitors are that they're gut microbiome modulator, it's also which is really neat, right? So like you're which is what

we're always worried about is like the help of the gut microbiome and you know maintaining you know

or restoring health and downs to that microbiome. So I love that property of it as well. I think that's like about. Can you explain a little bit more about you mentioned it in the microclotting world? Why is it helpful there? Yeah, I tried to do like a little bit of a deep dive into why it helps with the microclotting? I think it from whatever remember because I looked this up like over a long time ago, but I think it does something with what she was talking about immune function

and it has something to do with the endotheliaid. Yeah, and the endotheliaus cells. Yeah, because when you have that chronic low-grade endotheliaid is that's obviously activating platelets and then that's also activating the clotting cascade. So when you get to that level, right? Like when you're affecting endotheliaus cells there, then you can get like it's like root cause sort of in your stopping that sort of like propagation of those or the activation of those pathways. Right,

yeah, the whole piece, our immune cells people don't think about this, but our immune cells are one of the most energy dependent cells in our body. Right, and we don't really think about that when we're thinking about people who are you know poor mitochondrial function, low ATP states, we don't we think

systems aren't just need more energy, it's why when you look at people with long COVID or fighting

viruses in general, all of their energy is going to do their immune cells to help keep this virus

“a bay. And so that's why they start losing energy to other places like they're bringing in their”

heart and their muscles. So if we can make energy more available, so remember if I'm not going to do oxyphosphorylation, if I'm giving fats or ketombies, which is what your body's going to turn to as a fuel when it doesn't have glucose, you make much more ATP for a molecule of oxygen. So basically, now you've markedly improved energy function, because I've swapped out this mitochondrial having to work really hard to make energy, I've given them a simple source of energy, and

it's a better clean or source of energy. So that's why it's so huge, really, it's we've changed our energy source. Do you think it's going to be something that's continuously more prevalently prescribed and used in the future as we see more conditions in areas that it treats? That's a good question is in our role when we study pathways, we're like, oh my God, who wouldn't you? So in our world, yeah. So in the good world. But when you look at, you know, the reason the gel piece cut on and now

writes, oh, they're great for longevity too, it's always the weight loss piece, right? And these don't have

“that dramatic impact there. So I think they're going to be a little hard to grab the attention of these”

physicians. This is just grabbed onto the gel piece because their patients were to demand it. Patients aren't going to go into banding jargions, right? They're new, and I don't know the doctors who are vested in research and looking at all these things are going to have the awareness. So I don't think we're going to see them catch on nearly as rapidly as like the gel piece one egg and it makes them. And I went and got the jargions card online and it cost me zero dollars.

I don't know, that's precious. Seriously, so because it isn't expensive drug. If you don't have diabetes, but usually that only works like three months. Yeah, I got a year on. What do you do so it's got? Yeah, but even if you compound it's not that we actually do it's not very, yeah, so the way I was just not very excited. So if you get it compounded, if you don't have diabetes and you get the, and you get jargions, it can be a thousand dollars. So we can get it kind of from

“much. That's what we do. Yeah. That's excellent. So to shift a little bit then since you brought up”

GOP ones a little bit there, let's do another discussion. Should we talk briefly about this, but let's get more into it. Let's talk about, I want to do some numbers here and maybe from what you've seen with people that you have on it or a few things that you've observed. So when it comes down to the weight loss use of it and when people stop, how big of an issue is it in terms of their hunger increasing drastically? Have they lost so much muscle that they're gaining a lot of fat back?

Like, what do we see in percentage wise on stopage and results of weight gain back and then problems with their eating patterns and everything from, from then on? Okay. So I am a big proponent of GOP ones and I don't really stop my vision. Okay. I switched them, so if they were using it, let's say, because they're diabetic and because they have to lose weight, they'll be on more of a standard dosing regimen, right? And then once they've reached their goals and they've

gotten to where they are, I then put them to a very low dose or like, or what they call like, Mike, because I believe the impact of this drug class is is so impressive for longevity. And again, we're going to, what the SGL2 inhibitors do, right? It's the same thing with these, like, platropic, like, drug impacts all these different systems, neurocardiac, pain modulation, and addiction, like, all these things that we're going to get, that we will talk about. That's

you will go into even more depth. I'm sure. But I honestly, like, I think they're wonderful. And

the problem is is they get such a bad rap in the mainstream media because they've been mega-dosed

and overused. And doctors and many spies and all these places are using them and not utilizing the right way. And the patients aren't being counseled the right way. So when you're, you know, when we're using them, right, our patients know that they have to be eating at least one pound or more a program, you know, per gram of protein, per body weight, right, that they have to be doing resistance training and exercising and doing all the things to help, like, you know,

build and maintain lean muscle mass, right? They're, they're in a program with us where they're doing all the things to maximize the benefits of the GLP ones. Okay? And so when you have this famous actor

and TikTok and all that stuff, that's because, yeah, they were being mega-dosed. They weren't

“being counseled, right, on, like, how do you, what's it, they're still going to the best”

day counts every night, they're still drinking every night, they're still, you know, living their stressful life, right? Like, we're, we're also, like, talking about, you know, stress management and, you know, helping patients with cortisol dysregulation all that stuff, like, plays a role and also improving the health of their gut microbiome, all that plays a role and that about health. These patients are not being counseled that way, right? And then what gets

me and what gets me so pissed off is that then all of a sudden they go off of it and then they're like, oh, look what happened, they gained all the way back. It's because of the way they're being dosed and overdose and again, not going through the lifestyle modifications and the changes that need to be done, you know? And their labs aren't being, you know, monitored, like, there's so many things I can talk about, but it's a shame because they are, like, the most wonderful, wonderful, like,

“most of my patients with chronic complex diseases pretty much every long COVID patient”

is on a GLP one because of what they do for, you know, mitochondrial, you know, health as well and efficiency and what they do for all these other pathways. I'm sure Betsy will deep dive into,

but they are incredible and it's a shame, you know, how they've been sort of mis-we've been this

informed about it. Oh yeah. So completely agree, let's talk about how big a promise really is because you know, original, journal called, so this just got all this play, right? Because original journal just came out with a article was 37 studies reviewed to really look at what is how many people too he did regain the weight and it was high. 70% of people regained weight not all those back to their baseline, but about 50% or a little over 50% gained back to their baseline, back to where they started.

Right. So we know it is an issue. Right. And as Robin said, it's because people are, are using these in the wrong way, but I want kind of, I don't know at a point here, please. That when you look at the number of people who gained the weight back, so about, you know, almost 50 didn't for 100% didn't gain weight back. Look at the number of people who have genetic issues with like the FTOG. So what is the FTOG? And it's a promise, especially if you're European Caucasian,

it's a prominent gene. So about 40% of people have a mutation in this gene, which makes their, they have normal GLP receptors, but their body does not respond normally with GLP. So, so if you look at that, I've got a drug now that treats a genetic disorder. To me, stopping a drug in these people, it would be like, okay, I've also came up with a drug that curses to fibrosis. And I just went, you know what, you just need to breathe better by some fibrosis patient, right? You know,

you're just not breathing well enough, you know, I'm not going to give you this drug, because you just, you know, you just need to breathe harder. Right. That's like telling my FTO patient, who is a double mutation, who is a, a homozygous mutation, FTO, you just need to try harder, not

to eat, because they are never going to be associated. They are not. Right. Now I have a drug that

does exactly what their problem lies. It makes them associated. Should I stop giving that drug ever? No. I have a drug that treats why they're fat. I should never stop it, right? So to say these people are all just going back and eating, yeah, because lots of people don't have the messages to their brain to stop eating. Right. And now I'm giving them something that actually allows that. So I like Robin rarely take my patients off of the GOP. Is just bringing them down. Like I

bring them down to what I was saying. They made great. Oh, it's right. Oh, it was just hopefully

“long. But we are in the minority. Right. Most doctors are going to say, you need to be off this”

drug now. And again, I have a drug now that is treating a genetic disorder, a complication, you know, or some of it just doesn't have the willpower. Yeah. People who haven't been eating this order, right, just don't mind binge eating disorder patients. Oh, you know, just stop throwing that. Right. You can't. Yeah. So now I have a treatment for it. And for me, for doctors to say, I can't give us to you anymore because you are a ran of course. And you should just be eating

that or it's ridiculous. But because the piggybacking of that, it's the, it's the, you don't know what you don't know. Right. They don't understand like all these unbelievable benefits, right? And what's so comical about the whole thing is that most conventional doctors don't have problem pushing drugs and

prescribing for their patients, but yet this one, amazing intervention, they're like,

no, we got to get off of it now because they don't understand really why they were giving it to the person to begin with. And if it's just for the weight loss, part, well, that's sort of sad, right? And so they don't have a full understanding. It's what we're doing a lot of injustice to patients in this world. And so those of you who have, you know, who has stopped these drugs

give a shit and just eats all the time, but most of those people are not. Right. And then my

patients who I've worked with now for 20 years, and you know, I could tell you, they, they, they ate perfect back and tell you, I diet lots on the day where exercise and they're doing everything my end not losing weight, these drugs were gods and yeah. I just hate though like how they showcase more of like the famous people or they spot like that because that's just like a bad example of like what not to do. Right. And those patients aren't again being followed likely in the way that they

“should be. So that's what I hate about it to, right? Because of what Betsy says like, yeah, like if you're”

going to stop it, you will gain it back probably in a lot of these patients. But again, I don't think those patients were doing the right thing to begin with anyway or weren't being followed and monitored and probably treated, right? Right. And then it gets sensationalized and then it gets a bad rap. That's true. I do want to, you know, we really have to get rid of the myth that jail piece caused muscle loss. Yeah. Absolutely not. There's zero mechanism that jail P1 agonist caused muscle loss.

Right. Not eating, not drinking causes muscle loss. Right. We need to drink white GLP1 until people want something to do. Let's keep going, you get muscle loss. It is, it is very hard. I mean, any of you have been on them is very hard to eat enough when you're on it. Yeah. Right. Which is why you have to find the dose that people don't eat. Exactly. He's job eating. Right. Do you do symptoms? It's a symptom on that level. I would like my patient. Can't eat any more.

I have to get these calories and I have to have you drinking water. So I think that's, you know, red or chew tide as a chival agonist helps a little bit because because it has glucogon, agonist activity. So it's preferentially loses fat over muscle. So you do get red or true time's going to get a little bit more protective, even if you're not eating enough calories. But not completely. You will still lose muscle on red or chew tide as well. Yeah. And that's part of the problem there too is people don't

understand just how hard it is without something like that. It's too hard enough. Yeah. To my got so hard. Yeah. Hold it on. Been two pounds of muscle. It is hard. It is hard. Yeah. It is hard. And people have this conception in their head that, oh, if I do this or that, if I eat too much, I'm going to gain muscle. It is a terribly difficult thing to do. It is hard to eat. I mean, you know, I strive to get 120 grams of protein day is struggle for me to miss a single. Well, if you're busy like we are sometimes

I've got the fire and I have like it, but it's too clocky up and eating it all day when I what are you doing? I have the worst patient. Yeah. It's not your eye onwards. It's very hard. And so now when you have something that's suppressing your appetite, even harder. Yes. And you and just reminder how important hydration is to muscle. Right? If you are under hydrated, you will lose muscle.

Always. You know? And most of us are under hydrated. Especially if you aren't real people.

Like, well, I think the room all sensors edit. Yeah. Like a careful. I didn't realize. And that's another thing just how much I don't drink enough. But you don't drink enough, like, during 90 deep blows, especially on like something like guardians where you're peeing all the time on top of rice, sweating too and yeah. Yeah. And because people also like like us who are so busy, it's like, I don't want to drink as much water because I'm out of here. I have to get up and run to the bathroom every

minute and I'm out of time. Sorry. I have all this work to do. I don't have time to keep running to the bathroom. Right? I'm already in there every 20 minutes. That is one of the things that Esteele G's was they definitely need your name. Right? Yes. You definitely need more to be losing

“some hydration. So you have to encourage people that they've got to be hydrated. Yeah. And I love”

using things like, like, I flood for ice out water and I water. You know, ice out water is an osmotic load of hydration. So you add this to your water. Yeah. And it osmotally pushes the hydration into the cell. So it's like it does feel like it's a love, like, you know. And then that and then that also helps with like proteins and this is they might have gone through a giant of delicious. And so you can get a little bit more. And I noticed every, I don't know, three or four weeks. I have this

like two day period where I weigh like three pounds more because I'm holding water because I think I'm not drinking enough and all the things. And it's just like doing that. And then the next day I wake up for like today it was three or four pounds lighter because like, yeah, because I went the bathroom 35 times yesterday. Yeah. So some as you know, if your osmotic load isn't right,

it all is three basically. It's like, yeah, just got off a plane. Yeah. You know, all of the

substance fluid that sort of just collected, you know, it's not doing any good. You know what the water

“is in the cell. That's why like we use that a lot. I think it's such a good cheat. It's such a good”

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and code Dylan to say 15% off today. So you know what some of this reminds me of is the way the GOP at ones are given out like candy and misunderstood misdiagnosed or the protocols are all over the place. So it's like when longevity clinics came out and testosterone was just wild wild west. And that's how it started. And now it's gone into this to where they're putting people on TRT with 6 and 700 testosterone numbers, people that don't need it or telling them to run everything

under the sun or the steroid dealer telling them to do this for that. And then people think more is always better. And now it's the same thing with this. And then it draws a bad rap. Because of course, if you use a gram of testosterone, you're going to have problems. Exactly. You know? And then you don't see the good side of it and how it's supposed to be used.

And it's terrible. That's probably a huge problem in our world. And you see it with peptides now.

Yeah. And why they question everyone questions every day. Right. Because I'd be able to see things used inappropriately are going to have bad consequences. And it's not the thing that was the inappropriate use of the thing. Exactly.

“How prevalent do you think the inappropriate uses of GOP ones in your eyes?”

I mean, do you think it's like 50%, 60%, I know it's there's no way to know about it. And just from what you guys observe. I would say over 50%. It's so hot. Well, how many of them I would you guys do to catch everybody get into traction? Because most like, I even my friends and people in my life that I know they just go to the Medispar. Go to the or the doctor. They're like, can you just put me on and they just put them on? And then it also is inappropriately.

It's so inappropriate. It's way, very, that's us to me. And I'm like, why? I'm like, what? You're, I'm like, wait, what? You're on like 15 milligrams. I was like, what? Oh, that's not why if it's her's appetite. I was like, what, what? You know? I mean, how much do you need of that? Well, whether it person. I mean, some people make me need 15 milligrams a lot. But they need the national way. It's like, star low and ghost. What

like, see where you sleep or is that the person that works with the person, where they're still eating enough, where they're still getting nutrition, where they're still getting their hydration, and they're slowly losing. And now happy patient actually, that's much happier patient. When it's coming off slowly and slowly, because you're not getting any of the side effects, and you're only getting the benefits and you feel so good. And it's okay for to happen slowly.

You know what's the 20 rounds is like, do we? It's the number that where our toxins are held to, right? In our fat, saloon, rapidly this way. You scapears off like you mongous talks.

“Totally. Right. Anyway, then you'll see people get sick. Yeah. And, you know, and have that's why”

they get complications. Well, too much too fast is very, very, very, very problematic. Whether it's like, the ice, the steroids go on crazy higher. This crazy diet and go on crazy low. The amount of stress and strain on ligaments tend to join. Right. And then saloonly and everything else. And again, it's the majority, not the minority. And they lose that much weight that fast. It's not good up here either. Oh my god. Terrible. And there was that toxin,

toxin, at least we would get. Yeah. Yeah. But neurologically, how, how a negative is that? I mean, can't that just throw you off all the way around a thousand percent? Thinking all over the place and ability to focus, I mean, that's kind of what I wanted to talk to you too about,

because I, I've never had this discussion with either one of you. And what I've really learned

the past probably six months is, because I've always been so into fitness and nutrition, and now cellular stuff and everything else, I haven't done one thing. Neuroscience, neurological, nothing. And I realized what I've been missing. But you know what it kind of took was looking at myself and going, man, where are you such a dick? Like constantly? And why are you having an inability to focus? And why are you so stressed? And why do you sleep so bad? And then I started

to piece this stuff together and go, man, it's because you're not working on anything up here. You're so worried about this that you're not really that healthy because of your stress, because of all of this. It is one of the top three things that is dealt with in any of my patients. Like we the neuro piece is huge for, but I would say most doctors ignore it, right? People don't come this, it's a nice brain fog and things like that, but most of you are coming to you for, you know,

at longevity clinics, how much work are they doing, looking at cognitive functions? I think it's very, it's still. We're not doing measurements, right? We're not getting baseline measurements. So, people are following baseline measurement, we do a my clinic, but most clinics don't, you know,

“and so I think it's even in our longevity world, it's, it's a little bit. I agree, neglected.”

And obviously, if you get the rest of body healthy, the brain is going to be healthier, but there's a lot more pieces to that, right? Yeah, and you want to, and I think, again, I'm well about averting the crisis and being proactive. So, I'm looking at a lot of these biomarkers baseline. And if I see, if I see red flags in the, in the work, up the initial work up, I'm doing that, I'm going to do an even deeper dive, right? And then that way, you can really

regret, and when you catch the patients early like this, you really can reverse reverse or

regress what's starting, you know, because the first point of, like, the first step is really just

this, like, sort of, development of neuroinslamation, right? Before it becomes vascular before, then it becomes neurodegenerative, like these three steps. So, getting them at that point is so important, right? Yeah, and I want to get into the markers and the, yeah, you look at the doctor or whatever, they're not really asking you, well, how's your stress? Well, how's your sleep then? They're looking at basic BS markers that really aren't that important. And if you're stress level is so high,

it's increasing inflammation, cortisol, who knows what else? And the effects that it has on everything that you're doing, sleep, especially. And so, like, what I've tried to do is really integrate beyond my prayers, which is so important to me, is like that peaceful walk and appreciation of the vice-terrownings of nature and the vitamin G of gratitude, which actually is important. Yeah, journaling gratitude meditation, we talk a lot about how the value of meditation

is hard to do. It's hard, but now we have two ways of doing that attrition. There's been brain tap, there's tools that we can help us. How big of a priority should this be, though? I mean, shouldn't it be number one? I think that, well, you said this a bunch in a bunch of

her awesome posts that she's talked, that she posts, but basically, and when you look at the

pillars of health, right, and like, you know, moving, you know, moving, nutrition, stress matter, sleep is your foundational pillar. If you don't have that person sleeping, how are they going to heal? When you sleep is when you repair regenerate, that's when you're glint, the glint that system is working during that night to drain all the garbage and the toxin and all the horrible things out of your brain. If you're not sleeping, getting into good deep sleep, and so that's not

going to function and work properly, right? So just that, just by getting your patients to sleep, right, and giving them good advice on sleep hygiene and, you know, really working on that circadian clock is usually important in reducing their inflammation, right? Just that alone. You know, we can get into all the cool stuff. Look, God, you got to address that, you know, and that, and that does overlap with, you know, stress management and cortisol dysregulation and getting that

cortisol curve to like behave the way it should like come up and then slowly come down and then cortisol passes the baton to melatonin, and you can get into sleep like all those things are so important, right? Yeah, and you'll add that, you know, when you look at sleep, it still does come down

“to some of the foundational stuff when you have to have an optimized hormone, right? So,”

you know, again, for Josh, if you're, like, yeah, you need both men and women, and you need professional to sleep, men need more testosterone to help sleep. So, so we have to not forget that the basics, if somebody comes in your office and you want to work on sleep, you still have to start with some of the basic things, right? Do they have the tools necessary?

Yeah, you know, just sleep, but yeah, obviously those pillars are so, so hugely critical.

It's when you look at now all these companies coming now, like I get Instagram post all all day long, if you guys do with just, or this is your, your $499 lab today, right? And so, that you, that's, you, you have literally every marker, mm-hmm. That's like, what do you do? What do you do with it? Right. And, you know, and you're going to have to chat GPT, and that's great. And chat does at an amazing job, but chat doesn't count to you on all these other pieces and how it all fits together.

And you have to be careful because chat will go to the very worst scenario on those labs. We, it's like, I was having such issues. I would say if it's some issues, like, you know, it's like, kind of multiple two things, like, I ran into a claw, literally by the end of the conversation claw, it's like, you most certainly have metastatic cancer. I should see somebody be that white, but that's why people come to us free. Oh, yeah, guys. The because of the, yeah, I'm with you.

“And some of that, and I'm like, what, I think it would be, what shall we do? No, no, people, but you have to”

do a little weed through it, right? Because they have to go to the worst case scenario. Well, like, by Billy Percentive, so you've got to sort of piece back the person to go, it also won't give you 500 things to do. Yeah. And, you know, we know people can only do

things or 30 different things. So you have to be aware of that too. Yeah. I used to do that where I'd look at that and be like, oh my gosh. And then being these panics that I'm like, dude, just yeah,

you're making it worse. You just make it worse. I always tell my patients I'm like, really,

you graduate from Google Medical School in, in a day, congratulations. Then he said, well, I do love

“my patients are trying. No, it's five but they need us. That's why they have us. Then help”

that. I'm going to read these. We aren't going to replace a good health coach position. Right. Whoever might sit down with you and help walk you through things. Right. You know, back to the brain health. Obviously, yeah, those pillars are so foundational. But so is everything else. Right. The micro nutrients are so critical. The hormones are so critical to brain health. And then I think that we are, we were forgetting the building blocks, then the brain and neurons in general

need, like, plus malagents. I would tell you 90 percent doctors have no idea what a plus malagent. 90. I would say 99 percent, but I mean, 99. You know, we, we, in our world, I have no idea. I would tell you, like, in our longevity dog's group, they don't know who is nobody knows what a plus malagent is. Well, what is it? Tell everybody. So, postages are very specialized type of fossil living. And you, you, you make them from your proxysomes. You can't eat them. You can't take them in.

Well, you said technically, but not it. That's not what it says in the brain. Right. Right. So,

“so basically, you're proxysomes yourself make these and what they are, so think about them”

as the kind of protective layer on all of your neurons. Right. So, so they are, I like to think

about, like, the installation of all the wiring. Okay. All right. First thing they happen is if you get

sick, you get a virus, you get stressed as you lose those plus malagents. Now, if you're, mitochondria are perfect. Your proxysomes aren't perfect. You're not going to replace them. And now, what happens? Your body actually starts taking them away from you. So, it's trying to now take these and, and, and, you know, and you start demilonating. So, the brain will suffer your nerves will suffer. Almost everybody's, we age gets plus malagent deficiency. Some people more than others. Okay.

So, because we can't just also make your body make more proxysome and make, you know, have proxysomes that make, you know, we can do things that will help, but we still have to replace the plus malagents. Almost all of us need plus malagent replacement. And, because you really can't just eat them and get them to your brain, there's only one so pro-drome sciences came up with a precursor that can go to the brain and become a plus malagent. Really? And they extract it from

egg yolk, right? From the yolk, from the yolk. Well, no, it's because it's, it's a, it's a, it's a whole synthesized. No, it's not, so it's not calling. So, egg yolk has calling in it. All right. So, that sentence put together with an egg yolk whole egg. So, you can take it with a, we can just take a plus malagent itself, which is synthesized. It's a sense, it's a sense, it's a, it's a specialized fossil telltale as an all-mean that actually is, you know,

it has to be, has to be made. So, the precursor has to be made that can convert. So, it's synth, it's synthesized. Yeah. So, you know, that pro-drome sciences, pro-drome sciences, and then that crosses the blood brain barrier. That, which leads us driving, like, again, to cross the blood brain. Well, measure plus malagent levels on people. And if you do that enough plus malagent, I don't care what you do. It doesn't matter. When would those start to decline? Is it different for everybody?

And is there a lot of light in the world? So, lifestyle, things to all of us, with the exposures that we've had, and how many vaccines we've had, or how many like exposures to COVID, probably many of us are at a plus malagent deficit. So, you could be young, and that could, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I measure all the time, young people. I've had young, you know, some like,

million patients, and then, but while I'm COVID people, everybody. Okay. Yeah, we, but yeah, I mean,

in a perfect world, probably around 50, we all decline. Yeah. But in our, our, our, our COVID,

“a lot of people, that are robably much earlier than that. So, the only way to fix this is this,”

is that a product people can buy? Yeah, they need a program to this technology. It's actually developed as, really, as a, as a drug for treating these kids who have disorder where they can't they plus an autism, they all died by the time they were six. So, would you notice this cognitive leg? Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, he's done, like, she, Betsy, you know, is in his, what does it, like, you're a little like, actually, she's a group, yeah. But, like, he, like, I spend a little time with him.

He's unbelievably brilliant. And, I mean, the scans that he, he's done about thousands of strands where he shows, like, the gray and white matter changes in the brain, like before, even in, like, a person, like, one of our colleagues did this, did you? Yeah, because I saw one of our, you know, said, whatever, our very good time, I saw her scan. And it's in theme, like, what she looked like prior to plus margins, and then after. Right. We say, you could roll a new brain.

You can actually work. You can now have a whole series of patients where we've shown, they have, you know, 20% loss of gray matter. They have white matter lesions and now we fix them, right, over time, after this is totally fixable. And yeah, it can be, yeah. Well, again, just like all

who have the Abo E4 for gene. Okay. As long as those people's plus margins stay high,

“they did not develop brilliantly. I've said this before, and I've got, like, when I”

lecture and stuff, but, like, even one mild or asymptomatic case of COVID, and even a young at 19, 20, 21 year old, one case, there are brain, like, permanent brain changes, like, on MRI. Like, this has been, this has been published a bunch of times already in the last, like, year and a half, two years, and that there's decreased cerebral blood flow to the brain. There's changes on the gray matter, the white matter. And this is from one asymptomatic or

mild case. So imagine what's happening, and so if you can get these plus margins into you, right, this is going to be, you know, such a saving grace for so many people. And, you know, we, you know, we talked to people like all over, you know, the country that, you know, specialized different things like, you know, Amy, who does ALS and things like that. I mean, you have no idea what

we're seeing, like, she has 19 year olds with ALS, 21 year olds with ALS. She has, like, we've never

seen neurodegenerative diseases, like, presenting in such a young age. However, like, we're a different world. We're in a completely diminished Parkinson's has gone up by 50%. Like, from the beginning of the pandemic to 2023, when you look at the trends. And, you know, when you, you can verify this, when you talk to the neurologists that are actually looking at this. And, you know, the functional neurologists are people, like, like, these brilliant people that are running ALS clinics

and things like that, like, what they're seeing. And, again, how it is a true ageic salon, because you're seeing such earlier presentations, and, like, we ever have before. I've had COVID seven or eight times. So I'm probably not really bad. Yes, there. I see you really have to be proactive.

“And you have to, so you can look at markers like P.T.L. and, you know, and, and collection three,”

and you can look at these markers that tell us, yeah, your brain is in trouble. If you'll see those numbers and immediately doctors tell them, all you have ALS timers, no, you've been growing them, brain that we can shoot. That you can, and you'll, and once you get a lot of these things on board that you're doing for a club, neuro enhancement, or, you know, getting, you know, beating that brain with all the things that needs, it could, you can reverse the markers,

it's okay. Which is really cool. It's really cool. And all the, yeah, two people doctors do has got, oh, you have this mark. Yeah, you have early ALS timers, let's start you on these horrendous. But not even either, they're like, ah, man, they don't even do or they're just like, really, or the waiting for the symptoms to catch up with the biochemical, you know, with your, with your biochemistry, right? That's what's so infuriating, right, because you can stop it,

and it's always trying to need to be looking at these things. And you know, can't even, you know,

we do, um, while the action is using, when she called neurocatch now that actually can show when you start losing some energy to your brain, right? So think about the first, the first thing happens in neurodegenerations, it's an APP definitely, which is why, you know, he tones, and those kinds of things are so helpful, because they're going to increase energy to the brain. But you can look at a mark or call a P300 wave on these EEG tests that show you, even really,

before you see, P towels go up or things like that, you can see the patient, the brain is losing energy, it's losing ATP, it's decline function. And, you know, this norms for age, because we sort of

“assume everybody's going to decline, and we really shouldn't be assuming that, right?”

Yeah, we should be doing the things to, to mean neuroprotective. So we really, I, I, I, I really, I think the brain gets sadly really neglected in our world. I wore a lot more for the game. It should embody composition and, you know, and sex drive and everything else in the last, I, you know, the last thing they really think about really is the college, it's so easy to just go "oh, I'm stressed, so I can't dig or whatever." And ever that's C.C.s, I'm like, so just, oh my god,

it's my hormones are, but now it's not, it's really maybe that's a little hard. Yeah, that too, I was going to say it's either, oh I'm so stressed, or I didn't sleep good. And we're most of the

women that are like, in their late 40s, it's always like, "oh no, it's because I'm very

menopause." Yeah. Well, because we just look for an excuse to tell ourselves, it's right, it's a fine or whatever, it's okay. We need to be looking at these things, and people, you know, yeah. But you can really see these people, like, you can really decrease morbidity. I do not buy into that. Oh, it's inevitable or always you get to say, just go have an impact. I can definitely change the course of that person, you know, health span, for sure. And the point in, in this whole

thing and, and everything we do is never accept what someone says that, you know, oh, that's just what's going to happen, because it's just not true. I mean, there's certain things that are inevitable, but you can certainly mitigate prevent or protect, right? I mean, in all of these, I hate that, and it's kind of like with the, uh, plaque in the arteries, uh, you can't reverse it. Bullshit. Yeah. Bullshit. You certainly can't. Yeah. And, and all of these things, they say,

you can't, you can't, and then it's just acceptance. This is normal for age. Yeah. I don't know how to have to get a brain MRI. Yes, his normal atrophy. You're like, what? Your brain should not

and not optimal. Right. There's not normal for age. And that's how we, look, every marker testosterone, uh, you know, even blood, even your blood work, blood work. Right. Yeah. The ranges are based off of your age. Yeah. And I hate that, too. Like testosterone levels are based on what the average. Right. Like how healthy. Right. I mean, how many people do you get coming to you, and they're like, in range, and they're in the tube. Oh, I agree. Yeah. Do you want us to have young enough?

“I've 30 something year old. It's like that. 20 something year old like that. And that's what”

let me ask you then. Why do you think that, I don't know, the last five or 10 years that the averages have just gone down so much. And why it's such a young age, we're seeing lower levels of testosterone that are just some of the things I see without steroid, you was steroid, you say, expect it. But without, I'm seeing some of these, and I'm like, what the hell was happening here? What's the problem? We'll certainly environmental talks. Yes. I was going to say I like

Brendan and occurred to describe it or number one or what are some of those that just exist? I'll say glyphosat, Ph.A. B.A. B. B. A. B. B. A. But beyond that, there's a little bit of this unfortunate demasculization of men, right? Yeah. That we, you know, it's actually not okay to be masculine, right? It's called toxic masculinity. And actually, we would like boys to be boys. We would like them. Yeah. It's okay. A little bit more aggressive, a little bit more. That's what they're

supposed to be doing. Yeah. When somebody keeps telling you that's not don't act that way. Don't be that way. It's not really what boys were designed for. Well, you don't have to be

“in polite and rude, but you, you should still be a man, right? You should still be, yeah, you know,”

I, I want my 18, I'll have a little bit more aggressive in my hearing. And, you know, so I think there's unfortunately now, and when, when you don't reinforce that with, you know, more sports and more, you know, these, these sort of interactions, and you're just seeing or playing video games. That's not going to improve that. That's that. That's not going to improve that. That's not going to help. Well, for a long time. For a long time, it's not going to be a very sunny outside. You need to be,

you know, you need to be a boy. You need to be, you know, so I hate this whole talk. I'm out of your good business. It's actually a great point on the, and it's sad. I agree. We're on the right

as hell. So, you know, I like to ask for my boys because it's always been shut down. Right. Oh,

you know, you can't act like that. Yeah, you can't do that. No, that is, you know, boys are supposed to be, you know, in school, not being able to sit still. And, you know, I mean, that's just boys. And it's okay. And we should foster that and learn how to teach them the way they should be taught, which is

“moving and active and doing things. Absolutely. So, you know, we, we really have, unfortunately,”

created a society where we want low testosterone. It's better. Yeah, more passive. And look in your heart. How do that is for you? Terrible. It is literally like one of the things I despise the most of the shit that gets thrown in our faces and what I see and what they try to tell you is how you're supposed to be, which is the fuller opposite of how we were this one is an amazing, amazing point that Betsy brings up. I mean, I will also say added to that is like the lives

that we live. You know, like the, the constant stress, the constant going, like court is on stuff like that is a problem constant looking at screens. It in a creative way to jet, to regulate your cortisol, like what do you mean? And when you're, and then when you're, and then the lack of sleep to, like you produce testosterone in the we early morning of the, you know, we early, hours of morning. I can't talk. But yeah, like that's you, right? And simple. It's big to COVID's effect on.

Yeah, please. Oh, is that a factor that love like that? I'm sure the spike protein has a very high affinity for the testicles, it'll end over. And the ovaries, I don't get it. I mean,

yeah, it's really impacted. I mean, I've never seen so many men, so many young men, but such

every, I would say nine and a half out of ten people come in my office, not like even just my regular patients are aren't seemingly coming in for like long COVID or something there testosterone deficient. Yeah, really. Like people just coming in to help me with like gut, you know, gut stuff, GIs, that whatever, you know, or like some other, you know, and with the rise in infertility. Yeah, I'm both male and female, but that we're saying have no just nobody makes testosterone.

So many of my young female patients have lost their cycles. Just men area, yeah, a men area, a grade, a grade, a grade. We're an obuotory cycles of obieying anymore. You've been cruel. It has been huge. And again, even horse people who got a few, you know, didn't get horribly sick, but they got COVID a few times. We are seeing this disorder.

Yeah, really. So common. Is there a type of diet that's having a negative effect too on testosterone levels, I mean, like, I mean, just the sound of my mouth ends of it. So it's just the sergin' mirror. And I'm going to give you a kickball for you. Well, what do you see? I'll choose to, yeah, hi, food toast corn syrup.

It's literally in every, like, if you look at a label, that's like one of the first ingredients on

Yeah, what you're trying to say? Yeah, thank you. It's like eating at cheesecake factory. It was a man, you were smiling. Yeah, so it's embarrassing. And like, oh, what about like, let's, I love the cholesterol thing too. I feel like it's an important gel to low. Oh, my God. You know, they had my cholesterol down on the 30, my LDL and I panicked and I tried to go back to the brain of the job that he's like, oh, no, we were. Oh, this is great. This is where what you

want to say? No, no, no. That's like your rate limiting, like, you know, that's the rate limiting stuff for all of your hormones. Like to produce all your hormones and your glucocorticoids and all of your stuff. Like, that's insane, right? And then, you know, Betsy can talk more about too, but Dr. Good now, he shows that like the low cholesterol correlates with lower brain rot, right? We're seeing smaller brain loss with people who had so, yeah, so we

absolutely know that we don't want to push cholesterol. It doesn't, don't we need like fats for cellular membranes. He'd be in the protection. Oh, yeah. You know, I, I told you this before, but I lived in that low fat diet, even though I was coaching against it for like 15 years. And I believe that's probably why I had some of the heart problems that I had because when I flipped like the pyramid now, yeah. So I went from like 25 grams of fat a day to 130's what I eat now.

Yeah. And I'm, my HGL went up 40 points. Wow. And my, my ability to, that's amazing. Oh,

it did went from the 40s to the right at 80 in like two to three months of switching and doing all of these animal fats. And, you know, pissed off. I'm, for not eating grass fed butter every day and the things I could. Yes. But having like these whole good foods and prioritizing protein and fats, so I guess my question then for you guys is on the way that the food has flipped now, because some people still have this inability to understand the needs for fats and the things

that are prioritized now as we know they should be for you on a normal diet that you feel is good.

“Do you feel like that is where we need to be and then carbohydrate should be on the lower end?”

Or how do you guys structure or find it? And I know it's different if you're body building or something or training for something you need a little bit higher carbs. But in general, normal people, how do you prioritize macros for your diets? Well, I love the new pyramid. Let's remember

the first pyramid was designed for the, you know, the companies like Kellogg's, you know, I mean,

that's really where it came from. Yeah. And nothing to do with health. It came with keeping these big companies who dig money up. Right. So we know that this is a much better way. Oh, you've got to be priorities and proteins and fats and have carbohydrates on the lower side. Now, there are people who do need more carbohydrates, despite even if you're not the body building, I think one of the things is looking at timing of carbohydrates to appropriately utilize them, you know, correctly. And we still,

our body still likes glucose. Right. So it still is a good fuel source. You know, fats, fats and ketones are, are a faster, cleaner way of making energy, but glucose is still a useful way of making energy. Go into Oxide 548. So I think that we forget that, you know, the zero carb diet, you'll actually, you know, the people were just throwing a ketotic diet forever. You will lose metabolic flux. Yeah. Yeah. He will actually start to see a decline in cell health

and then mitochondrial function. Yeah. The mitochondria are likely to be able to switch fuels. The healthiest people can switch between a glucose fed state and a ketone that fed state.

If you never do that, you'll actually see over time mitochondrial function decline. Okay.

“So that's what I was given to talk about was the metabolic flexibility act. If you're going to do it,”

if you're going to do, you know, if you, if you decide, yeah, I feel great on ketone diet. And I pages to do, you really need to cycle in and out of it. That's what I thought. And that's where I was kind of going structurally for me on the changes. I've gone like 40, 40 protein fats and 20 carbs, but you know how much I train. So I've kind of been thinking, yeah, I'm not learning you a little bit a bit more. Right. So I've tried to bump that number up and I'm just playing

and testing with stuff. You know, and I think that people that train a lot need more carbohydrates. And so then that poses the question, which kind of carbs do you think that you would recommend? And what should people stay away from that are causing a lot of the problems? So, well, I was going to just say, you know, piggybacking off protein fat, which are great, like understanding, like you have to have a good understanding of the type of fat.

Right. And once you're fat, you're taking. That's really important, right? Because people like, oh, this is saturated, this is untouched. But what is it? What is the fat? And like patients, like I am still careful with my apoe, four, fours, and my apoe, three, fours, like how

“like you're fat, how in saturated though. Yeah, they can't have, you have to be careful,”

because you don't want to like, you don't want to amplify that gene, right? So, you have to be careful. So, like, and that's it, like we check an apoe and everyone, right? Because if you want to be able to like take care of your patients properly, that's like a good gene to look at. What just is that for

So, if you're a two, two, a two, three, a three, three, you have a normal risk of dementia, if you're a three, four, it's increased to your four, four, it's markets. One, yeah. So, I'll present an increased risk of like dementia. Okay. And then because

“the fat transport for the brain is altered, you need to be a little bit more careful with how”

those genes. I see. Yeah, so you want to be careful with that. It also impacts heart

heart, heart, heart, heart, heart. It's like people always like focus on dementia, but it's

cardiovascular health as well. So, you want to just like, you know, it's really good marker to have. Like, you know, Betsy and I were talking one off the biggest, like, SNPs people, like get 20,000 SNPs. And, you know, like, you're, you know, the gene testing when you do have it, you know, because not all of them, you're, it's not every one of them that's, you know, that you're necessarily manifesting, right? And you don't know what, you know, based on your epigenetics, what's going on.

With those, but there are certain mutations like apoe and THFR, we talked about that later, that you want to like know so that you could take better care of your patients and do a lot of preventative medicine about around. But anyway, so what I think is the fats, I love the fats, but and then we set it briefly to like seed oils. Yeah. That's like really important. Like, patients have to, like, understand, like, what that is. And they, the three six ratio. Yeah,

really critical levels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. When you're eating a lot of seed oils,

you make a six is going very high in that we should get some skewer. It is a very good, long to have any marker. Yeah. And inflammatory marker. But the thing with the sixes and this is what I've learned is that those are adulterated sex, right? They're like, yeah. I don't know that. Right. We can get really good. Right. We need that. Yeah. So like, when you supplement sometimes,

“you could be doing a little bit more harm to the ratio. Like, that's why like you had to be careful”

with unadulterated sexes, two, three is making sure that ratio is right. Type of a mega six. Yeah. Yeah. In a lot of time, you actually use a rack down and guess it or yeah. I don't know, I'm trying to go back down and guess those are making a six. Yeah. But we get the bed. We don't want the bad sex. Right. Good. So that's where those sea oils comes in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's there. Like, if you look at the label, even like, they look, oh, but I'm eating organic

tortilla chip. Yeah. I don't eat it organic. It's like, do you know how, like, you look at like, it's like some flour oils, that flour oil, palm oil, you know, like on all these things that say they're organic. They're okay. So you have to lay it under your hands, right? Yeah. You

don't know what you're getting. Why do you think I never eat out? Yeah. Once to twice a year,

maybe, if when you make something, because now she feels like building, it's like getting the patients to build a plate. Right. Right. And then, and then building the plate based on what

“your biomarkers are, right? So somebody might be more cardiometabolic and also need like low glycemic”

index, like a more low glycemic impact diet and stuff like that. But like, yeah, I'm so such a proponent of having this, like higher protein, good fats, you know, and like, yeah, like maybe not as much carbs, but like good conflicts, cards, like no refined sugars, like none of the garbage, but really good complex carbohydrates, you know, to fuel you. Yes, so carbs have gotten a little bit too shamed. Yeah. Like, like, carb. I mean, I'm a carb girl. I'll tell you right now.

I like, as I said, you go. The way you train and it's trouble keeping weight on the you may need a few more carbs. I don't like crave carbs or anything like that. Like, yeah, I get most of mind from like vegetables and fruits and you know, I do the pomegranate juice because I know for the heart. Oh, the pomegranate juice. Yeah, I love pomegranate juice. Yeah, I love pomegranate juice. Or at the pomegranates into your elephant area. You're the best separate. The good super

food. Yeah. No, I do that juice every day. Yeah. But I don't, and I, you know, I'm Italian. I of course, so I like lost some pasta all the time or the kid, but I don't crave it, but I do try to keep a very structurally sound in what I do take in. And I can't stand these fears of fruits and the things that people say. And I'm like, rather, just don't eat pounds of fruit a day, but you need some. Yeah. And if you have a problem, just again, lower glycemic. Yeah. Like, you know,

the ones that lower glycemic in that reason. Yeah, you get a berries. Yeah. Exactly. So what are some other ones? Like, I know everybody's always going to say sweet potatoes. So we know that is going to be on. I tend to, if I do do it, the purple ones, the, we'll see how they're amazing. Please, yeah. Yeah. They think they feel heavy for some reason, but it still have them, sometimes because they are so good. But what are some other ones? We got vegetables, fruits,

sweet potatoes. What about like rice or oats or anything? Like, what do you guys just thought so on? White rice can be a very, like, you know, I'm a rice at all. And very interestingly, you're one of the ways you can sort of lower glycemic impacts of rice is to cook it ahead of time, keep in the refrigerator, and then resty that same with potato. Say, without it or you know, right, say, with a white right potato. Yeah. Okay. We're even

the lower the glycemic. Better for you. Yeah. No. Okay. Um, so the, I think, you know, white

repeals always think well, the brown rice is their better actually. White rice is probably

cleat. White rice is better. Yeah. Okay. All right. I like my jazz body. I do like a Azmin buzz body combination is so delicious. Such a good, like, you didn't get set with your meats in some sort. And, and that's so good. I love over it. Like, I love a good, like, gluten-free version of, like, overnight, like, whole, like overnight oats, like mixed with, like, chia seeds, and like, I don't soft-day to ask me with that kind of. I'm sorry, Dave, but I do. I think it's

like, okay, I have a moderate chin. Like, it's so much oatmeal for so many years. I came and eat it in art. Yeah. I wouldn't say instant normal. I say, like, the whole, oh, good. So do you own it, though? Steal. I mean, the big. I'm not talking about folks. No, but I'm just that they absorb a lot of toxins. And then I don't know, it's really the toxins there. It's

or, like, I swear to you. It'd be a little careful with those because they do their

easy, you know, like, oat milk's probably one of the most toxic. We talked about this. So it's out, I know. It really can turn on, like, it's like, it's like, it's a little love to absorb toxins. I did, like, 15 years of training. Oh, it's a lot of, there's good, but have them in moderate. This, my boy, like, having, it's all like a bad moderate show. Automation. Because, you know,

“we all get on the same thing. Did you have to be able to enjoy your life? Yeah.”

And be able to have things that make you happy. It's easy, though, when you haven't had something for a while, then you eat it, and then you want it all the time. Right. You know what? I mean, I've, I've been that type to where I'm like, oh, shit. Just, just, let's not just give it a, give it a person up. Right. You need you. I'll pay one for that. Yeah. You'll pay one. Right. Yeah. If you had a GP when you'd be okay. I think sometimes to the older you get the more

control that you seem to have, or maybe it's just my lack of desire to eat, because I get so busy to work whenever it's just probably. I swear to you, though, the foods I prioritize now are all things I wouldn't touch, like, two years ago. And then I can't live without them now. That's what I was like, let's hear. Avocados. Oh, I was going to say Avocados are wonderful. You know, I went into, so I went into the kitchen one day, and I told Queenie, because I'm like the spur of

the moment guy, where it just cars will show up, just whatever. I just shit just comes, and I'm just like that. So she's used to it. And I went in there and I know she's prayed for years about me just stopping the, because I've had to eating disorders from modeling and being in body building.

It was just a kid, and it just never went away. Yeah. And I was, you know how I train. Yeah.

15, 1600 calories a day is always eating for years. I'm burning 4,000. That's when you're, you're doing this long endurance. Oh, yeah. So I went in one day and I said, okay, I can't, I can't live like this anymore. I'm going to try all this shit I tell you, I don't like. Sam and Avocados were going to Whole Foods, pounds of meat, and then I started going down the line, elk, Venice, and Hathamol. And I can't, this is what I eat every day. Avocados. Whole eggs,

not just egg whites, full of yogurt. Well, that can we talk, can we go back to the egg white versus whole egg? I love this discussion. Oh my god, the egg. Oh, like, you finish and then we'll go back

“to that, because it's really important. And I have this argument with like, my, even my friends”

are repations like all the time. So I would have eating 10 to 12 just egg whites, never because my bowl is very, that's zero here. Just mass and protein, all right, no calories. Full fat, yogurt instead of flow fat, and just to disgusting nature of the low fat, not to mention all they strip out of it every day. So you're eating the low fat yogurt. Yeah, the fat free plain, terrible, the most dreadful thing in the world. And then I have to mix all kinds of shit there to

make it even palatable. And then all of these grass fed meats and beefs every day, fatty fish. But then I do like to mix it and it's fast, you know, and everything. But these are the things, like I'll sit down and have damn or a thousand calorie meal because the avocado I'll do, I used to do 80 grams and I did a hundred, then it was 150, then it was 200, you know. And so it's a good range. And then the Ezekiel, but I wouldn't touch bread. The good cheeses, the pecorinos

and those things. All these things I have now, I wouldn't touch any of them. Wouldn't touch all the things I listed. None of it. Now it's all you'd ever say about it. When you come from your world of, you know, and I work with a lot of biobiles, you know, when you come from that world of the such this rupted eating, it's, you know, you know, and we're trying to massively just eat tons of protein, but no calories and you know, and we're making a loss that occurs with that, and you know,

you know, and I don't meet chicken, I don't even touch it. I don't even like it because you do it because it was sick of it. That's so sick of it. And then I realized this sucks. Like it does. Aside from chicken thighs, I think it all just, it's so dry and bland.

“And thighs are good. Yeah, they're good. That's what I'm saying. That's the only one I even touch.”

Chicken has it your last. Yeah, they're freaking great. But I wouldn't even look at them, you know, because I was terrified. I was the exception. Yeah. Bullshit. That doesn't exist. Yeah. So it just opened up a whole new world for me. And I say that to humanize myself, but to tell others, like if you're living in that fear or whatever, I'm the leanest I've been aside from steroid use.

irritations sometimes and all the work and everything. Yeah. I feel phenomenal. And I'm not miserable with one hungry all that. You know, eating 13 servings of vegetables a day, which what I was doing, snacking all day on peppers and onions and that crap. That's I like, but you don't want to eat that all

“day. You know, and I think that a lot of people lack either they're not eating enough because”

like we're talking about they're busy, they're scared. They want to lose weight and all of that. And I think if people ate more, they'd realize they burn more. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. But this is what I want to talk to you guys about because we talked about this. I like to measure my breath in the morning to see how my flexibility is and what I'm burning and everything. If you're a constantly measuring it with the lumen. Oh, you're using the lumen. Do you see

use that a lot? Yeah. I practice. Yeah. I love you like it. I do. Just because I like to know okay, sleep affects if you wake up in the background and everything. But I like to see I take what I did if I mixed something up the day before it passed it and see that I eat too late. Did I do this? Did I have a little extra of this and compare it in some days? It's just awful. Mm-hmm. You talked about in class we had that if you wake up really hungry in the morning or whatever

you're kind of in the car burning stage, can you can we talk about what it means when you wake up if you're like sugar car burning as opposed to fat burning? How we want to be? What that all

“means and how we stay metabolically flexible? So I think people don't know.”

Yeah, I mean really, you know, when you wake up absolutely starving, right? When you wake up in the morning you're just like, I'm gonna have to get to food. Likely you produced a lot of course all, you know overnight, you spiked up glucose and insulin overnight and then you crashed it, right? So you were in this completely, you know, just like a little bit, we starve state and you're bike free, something right away. So create something immediately to try and get some glucose back.

You just said this big spike in glucose, either maybe because you ate high carb meal before the night before lots of times because it's stress. So we get this big cortisol spikes at night. We see it all the time, right? And you can do what you can monitor with CGMs and CLCDs. So we data this go up in the middle of the night, right? And, you know, and then what happens? You know, cortisol spikes glucose spikes insulin spikes. Now what happens?

Blood sugar drops out. You wake up a lot. I'm like, I'm ravenous. I need my, I need glucose. I mean, for the right, yeah. Where's we can keep ourselves in a more, you know, ketonic state a little bit. So by eating something like a protein before you go into the

basically blunt that effect. So if I have, if I have a little bit of protein on board,

if I have this cortisol glucose insulin spike, it's going to be blunt to some of my happiness a little. So it's a lot of people do a little bit of protein. So they just don't wake up. It's completely faint. Right? You do a small protein love before they go to bed. And to keep the more stable, see the night. Yeah. And now CGMs, you know, I think the the most great, we can do so much now with CGMs to help people figure this out.

Yeah. What is happening to them? Absolutely. How are they keeping their glucose nice and stable? Yeah. I do. So I take the yogurt and mix protein powder in it and then a little bit of fruit. And that's like I have a couple of bites before I'm bad. I know it's a tablespoon of almond butter. Don't need a lot. Stabilizes. Yeah. We do like a tablespoon of like a nut butter or like maybe if they have like a little bit of a way protein, a way protein, like a way-based

protein powder, like with a little bit. And those are the people too. You've got to say, you know, we're going to need to work on for it and why are you. Cortisol is right. Right. Right. Like I mean,

it's really amazing because we do CGMs. I've been doing them for years and my practice

and it's really unbelievable the amount of patients you see with these really high glucose level. Like they're especially women. It's insane. It's actually really crazy. And then, yeah, of course, and then because of that driving, the cortisol and glucose are married, right? So like here, and then you're becoming, you're breathing more insulin resistance. And I love the CGM because it's really, and this is really unbelievable to me too, and that thing to me, rather, that like you

can have like two people, right? With like even maybe similar glucose spikes and like in, you know, you know, readings on the CGM. But they're biochemical and divisionally, so different, that like when you pair them with certain foods, like one word, like that's you might have to be paired

“differently than I have, be paired, so that you avoid those, that's why I love like the CGM because”

of that amazing bio, like that, like my partner's actually missing. So me, he's missing GM. He's

semi, half a banana, half a banana, a spike spike. For someone else, like I can get banana and I'm fine, right? So it's really interesting to have different things. And it's a lot of my spikes for something, so I'm not somebody else really individual. And that's where precision medicine comes in because again, like everyone wants everything to be boiler, played, and wants it to be like, oh, a protocol. Oh, well, if this person is having all these spikes and having issues in the

more, like what we were just talking about, what you intervene with and what you give them could be totally different for, you know, patient A versus B, right? And so you have to have that understanding

going to see this a little bit high. And he has like a cookie every day, I go, you're gonna have to stop

the cup. I, I'm not gonna stop my cookies. So I put a CG, I don't cookie, didn't do it. It was thankful to say nothing to him. But he would have these horrible cortisol spikes at night. And why do we not want glucose bice or two higher ones? Because that's going to feed it. That's

“going to bring in the foundation. Oh, I know the answer. You look at me like, what's wrong with you?”

I want them to know. I know the answer. Okay. Sorry, it wasn't trying to be like, what happened, did you build them? This is my high glucose like high incidence. Right. Right. Right. And then it's a let it, glucose is not the evil thing in Sinflon. And when I'm actually the receptors get de-sensitized to insulin and you have it more nervous right. So what's going to, it's, it's just foods that causes a stress or conversation. Yeah, like stress is huge. I mean, and even like going back to stress,

like cortisol just regulations probably the biggest, I think one of the biggest drivers of why we have

insulin resistance and then, and that's also messing up your sleep. And whatever, and like, and then that mess up your gut microbiome, because when you have high cortisol and you feel stressed, you want comfort food and you're going back to like refined sugars and bad garbage. And then you're got microbiomes getting screwed up and you'll be having more constipate. Like, there's just like, so then your biggest nerve is like becoming super floppy. And like, there's just like so many

“things like having alcohol. Well, that caused it too. I'm almost terrible. That's what I almost just”

obscure glucose load, right? At least when you eating a cookie, you've got a little bit of fiber, you've got maybe other things that I don't think. And it's a direct toxic into your mitochondria, yeah, mitochondria, girl. It's a very alcohol. Direct toxic toxic toxic. I actually have this argument with my children who are all, you know, teens and 20s about, you know, drinking, because it's like, my 20 knows like, you, you know, I can't socially interact without drinking.

And I'm like, you can't. You be the man. I used to think this. Or do you have a lot of range and make sure you're like, it's it when you're drinking like not on an empty stomach and not like it's like it's like, it's how you do it. And also I feel like certain alcohols or I know it sounds ridiculous or a little better for you are cleaner for you. Like that that we need to just get, and I don't know how you hit the young people. I think our generations are now getting

a little bit more like alcohol's just bad. I don't need it. How do you hit the young people? How do you hit the frat bros? Who's you? You know, party every weekend and again, I don't know how to change that the heat. It's hard. It's really hard. It's hard to invent a ball to tell you me like, I mean, doing that even though you're 18, it is really messing your brain up. I don't know how we impact that population. It's tough. And your liver. It's very tough. All we think is going to do

is give the information that doesn't scare people like when I deliver it, I'm like, listen, I've done all this shit. This is what it is. Do whatever you want because I'm not going to lose sleep, but look, this is what it does. And this is what it can end up when you're older. Sometimes it's just how you say it. Because if you if you bring it across in a fearful way or a lecturing type of way, it's like, shut off. That's not going to happen to me. That's not going to happen to me. I

start telling stories about shit that's happened to me. And the way I convey is always a great

right. People actually hear real life fast. Like your story has gone a long way to change your

“brain. So I think stories are a really good tool to do that. But to me, it's one of my number one”

our medicine needs to be started earlier. We need to get people in their 20s interested in looking at this stuff. You know, looking at their markers, understanding that. You might, my 26th old son has horrible lipids. It's just his drugs. If I can address those now and really get him optimized there. You know, his old people were the way his eyes would be. That's where I was going. Yeah. We can save him a whole lot of trouble. We're seeing people now. We're kind of the act

fact. If we could start getting out to the younger generation. And you know, I hope just you may as you will, you know, or age to have kids that the kids start picking it up, right? You know, we've got to teach like parents and things that they need to look at in their kids. Because like you said, help you with like how do I know them that right here? We made the effort on they don't even check an insulin level. Yeah. I'm like, Jason's out here. Like in the insulin levels,

not even check. And I tell like, oh, I'm like, make sure they check an insulin level. I'm like, tell them to do advanced cardiac, like, and advanced cardio, like in a cardio, like in a cardio, a cure, like the cat and lap cordia. I'm as look at these other inflammatory biomarkers. Like that's a thing. That's a big foul. Like everyone thinks the LDL's the biggest deal. I'm like, look, it's all these other inflammatory biomarkers that are driven best. Right. Also, it does not

become problem until it's oxidized. So they don't say anything. Just even help you the way it's not a problem until you have oxidized stress. Yeah. I'll be the only member has some protected properties. It's just for a reason. Right. Otherwise, all you help you a lot of people will die off, right? Right. It's there because it actually has some protected role. It gives viruses and things like that. And it's some protected role to it. It in itself is not a horrible thing. It's oxidized stress

along with an help you little late. So you have a perfect, you know, redox and, you know,

to help them. And they're still going to get, you know, plasma freezes or like, you know, they're trying to do all these things to lower it. But they could be working on the other thing in boxes. So that, right. Like, like, my lapar oxidize was a great oxidized stress marker by a marker. I can't get it right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. True. And doctors don't know that, right? Yeah.

And, and, and, and, and, and Farid and nothing. And, and, and P.L. Like, I'm not. You, I've never

seen so many elevated MPOs, like, post COVID, especially. And it was funny. One of my colleagues, such an oxidant. Yeah. And that's a good marker to, like, follow as, like, as you see, that's coming down there. You're like, wow, this, you're, you're in a better place, right? And, like, I have one of, like, a good friend of ours, actually, a, you know, deer colleague of mine, who, you know, does the advanced, you know, um, lipid panel, like the cardio IQ, whatever.

They do the MPO all the time. And he's like, yeah, I stopped talking the MPO. I'm like, why? He's like, it's elevated in everybody. I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, no. I'm like, no, no. I was like, that's okay. I was like, you're going to use that as a marker. As a marker to show that, like, things are improving, right? And that you're addressing the oxidative stress and that you're doing,

“right? It's like, but, yeah, that's what, that's what's happening. Like, people just don't”

want to deal with it. They're like, why is everyone's hiding? I'm like, this is wrong. I'm like, no, it's actually not great marker. There's nobody. It's like, no, it's not. I think that that

cardio IQ is one of the most important panels to provide. And not even the cardio, just look at LP,

little looking at some of these, like an average of myself every six months, sometimes. Right. So I can, because I'm really dialed into mine. So, and then for people listening, particle sizes, APO be a little lay all of these that they don't look at, or, but the shit that's really important. Correct. I mean, the other stuff is like secondary in my view, um, total HDL, LDL. I want to ask one more thing before we shift on the glucose spike stuff. So, what if,

what if, to let's say we've got a meal on the plate, and one of the things I've learned to control that if you have carbs on the plate is to eat the protein first, then the fat, then the carbs, and that can hold the spine. You guys agree? Because that is going to, that's impacting your gastric emptying, too. Yeah. Like, half-hester, I was saying I'm rooting for it because is, I mean, some of you guys are going to talk about trail loss, which is, uh, a stress, yeah.

Trail loss is a, because molecules hook together, and it has zero glycemic impact. It's also really good for your brain. So, it actually, they're using it now as a drug to treat, and that's, so trail loss is a really interesting sugar, and that it, it actually completely belongs, not completely, but modern, pretty significantly, blocks glycemic and factor foods. So if you're

“going to eat something that's a high carb meal, you're protein first, but what I think you can do”

is just drink like a little lemon water with trail loss, which tastes like lemonade, drink that. You're going to see, and this is where CGMs are fun, right? You can see almost no impact on your glycemic. So I love using time. My trail would do have them like, and it's like, I haven't do like five grams, five grams. Yeah. It's like that. Give it a half. Okay, so I love that.

Sorry, she's, I've heard her tell me this, because I'm telling you easy. Honestly, this amazing,

plus I have so many neural benefits. So it's such amazing sugar to use. It has zero calories, zero glycemic, it has a few calories, but zero glycemic impact. And it's neural protective, and it's blunt, the, the cortisol response and the insulin response, this is amazing. Sure. Everyone should just have that for for dinner. Yeah, cool. Use it like a glass of it before it's dinner. And if you yell me, right, you drink,

let me water with trail loss. It's like to be completely a name for your dinner. It's huge. I love that. So I had that to my protein shake in the morning. I, you know, I do five grams at least three times a day. So it's huge. So morning time, what do you, what do you recommend for people like high protein mornings, fat mornings, what, it's a good thing for people to take in, because that's, that's one of the most interesting things that you see. You know, like,

because some people that don't eat breakfast at all, some people want you to eat this fucking tremendous 12 from Perkins or whatever. Like, what, what, what do you guys recommend for morning consumption? Well, I think you need, I can't at least 12 to 60 now are fast, right? Like, think they're in. So if you, except for a very ill patient, I don't fast them, because I feel like they're, they're body. You should be longer fast, and that's where CGN helped me a lot. Also,

you might very worst. It's not my way like that. When I asked them to, like, somebody like my unite, you were thin, don't know, you know, all of us who are thin and don't have a lot of extra, when we fast, it's a little bit of a stress to our body, right? It harms me. Saying, so my glucose,

“you should see how it spikes on my fasting days. So, you know, so, I think that, you know, if you're eating”

dinner, you know, then the best thing is to eat dinner earlier, but it's just so far with most of our life. So on any studies that show that, you know, like, here's this, yeah, there's, I watch this whole woman should eat on dinner while it's still light out, really, you know, but that's hard. I don't get a work for the sun, or like, as the sun's going down or something. So, so if you ate dinner in a flock, you know, you wouldn't want to have something to eat until at least 10 o'clock. Yeah. It didn't

tend or anything, right? So, yeah, I do think that that it's not so much important as, you know,

It's the timing. It's not so much. It's a timing thing. Correctfully, whatever you want to call it.

Yeah, it had eggs. Meal number of love. Set eggs, I was saying that's what you, that's by far the best, but very best eggs. I know. I've all my patients try to eat three eggs a day. That's great for your brain. All right. And that's where the whole aging rate, right? It waits for all the coin, all the good stuff is in the yoke. It's in the yokes. Hey, yoke from the team, I was valuable. I have for a day. Yeah, guaranteed for it. But everyone's like, but my cholesterol's going to go out. Oh, and no effect

uncle. And have people that say that have no understanding or grasp of what kind of cholesterol is coming for my egg and what it is. So when you look at this, my food in the world. Coiling is almost all of your deficient calling. Mm-hmm. And so you need so much calling and eggs are by far

“that when I was just sources. I think if you forced me to say Dylan, you have to pick one food”

you have every day, you only get one. It would be probably be eggs. Yeah, I think I think that's

it's always going to be good. Really, I might want pizza. When I was still small in power,

I was going to say pizza too, for sure, right? Food ever. Yeah, like I have pizza to eggs, but some avocado. Oh, yeah. It's like the best. I started to put avocado because I just have it on toast and eggs and everything and a couple of days I didn't have time and I was like, I got to give it more nutrients and so I started putting it in the meats that I was cooking and stuff and oh my god. But the egg? No, just so I cooked like I'll cook like three quarter pound of

elk for since and then I would put a hundred grams of avocado in it. Dry cooked it mixed it in. Yes, sometimes I'll drape an egg over it too. Yeah, I want it. Shit. It's so good. Okay, I got I want to I want to talk about your staples like supplement and I want you to give me five staples and I and I understand like magnesium by the way, you don't want to talk about magnesium. No, it's not that bad. I'm talking like a creatine or something else, a different type of supplement

that you say is good and then give me a couple that are just like unnecessary like, you know where I'm going with like becares or something like that. Like off the beat and you're saying more off the beat and trap. Yeah, like people are like thinking about that they're putting and like they should have fused into dirt. Yeah, because I think we know certain vitamins and minerals that we absolutely have to need. I want to get more out there a little bit with you. All right. You want to go. Yeah,

“if we're not going to talk about all the basic things that you need to be vitamin, you need to”

be different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's on minerals. I don't know if we've covered that so many times. My, you know, like kind of off the beaten path. Yeah. I want to get into the ketones because I can reduce inflammation with ketones. I can give myself brain energy, muscle energy. I can I can I mean ketones will honestly you could you could live on ketones. I mean it goes so far in all these kinds of pathways, right? It rests my mind a country. Everything I'm going to talk about is going to be focused on

I'm going to try and keep my mitochondria as highly healthy as possible. Okay. So it's going to be then probably alpha ketoglutorate. You're listening. It's going to be high. So those are really, you know, if you start looking at you're listening, especially higher dose effect on mitochondria. It's so huge. Alpha ketoglutorate underutilized, very underutilized in terms of mitochondrial

functions, essential for mitochondrial health. You know, I will put cycling, high dose,

bermanene because high dose bermanene also has so in we're talking about gain of a new like a 20 milligrams dose. And cycling that so beneficial for my top of G. I think when I so if I put together those four things, I'm going to keep my mitochondria pretty humming. Honestly. All true stack, you know, I take a heavy dose here to me. Okay. That's because you get it for free. That's the rest of you. Yeah. Why do you kind of press brain? No sir. Yeah. At your sponsor. Yeah. I do like 1250 milligrams.

That's good. I think it all does. Honestly, I know they're coming out of anything.

“That's what it does is more than the gram range. But I actually think like when my people are”

sick all up to 1500 milligrams. Oh, shit. Yeah. I think they don't least probably a gram of data. Yeah. I'm asleep. I think so. I think so. They do 500, but they fight whenever they say a gram would be the role, but you know, but it will kill you. You need to know, do we have been talking about use in our group to like using a gram at least? Like the last two like you're in a half or two. Yeah. I take a capsule of full stick powder thing and then a gummy every day so it's 1250.

I think one of those for you is problems in a little bit in our role and we do this with peptides and we do it with some of those is under dough things. Yeah. Right. They are not doughs because of the cost and you know, and see for a boss like you don't want to put in a label, but then it goes forward. It's because now someone's going to take eight. Right. Yeah. So the biggest issue, like some of our initial recommendations were just six milligrams.

If you go back and look at the studies that was doing nothing. Yeah. Now we know we've brought my new closer to 20 milligrams. I think your role as a name is like that. I don't know that 500 milligrams, but enough of your super healthy and everything's fly. If you have any older things like that, you probably need a gram. I'll put you on glory at nearly three grams.

packaging and you look at what liability wise labeling has to do, we are underutilizing a lot of really good. Oh, I agree. I see it all the time. A lot of products that have like 67 ingredients.

“Right. Yeah. Those are probably the worst thing to put around like, well, this looks great. It's”

all this cool stuff. And look at the number all micrododes. Yeah. Because that's the only way to actually sell it and not have the, you know, three, three, two dose used to be like tiny microgram that people recommend it. And I see all these studies about 50 milligrams. I mean, what for what? No, I'm not found. What is it? What is it for? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm, you know, we can have a whole discussion on SLEPP wise bad person. That's a two that would be

what's your top? So I love at this product called O.G. It was native glycerin. Don't be. Because I just think it just, you know, can kill so many birds of bloodstone.

But it's basically like, you know, I have hydrogen peroxide. It's a glucose peroxide. So instead of

like throwing like, you know, basically like giving, you know, giving it someone like causes a fire. This is like sort of like lighting a candle. Okay. And like it basically, the ozone is like diffusing and getting to where it has to go. It light the planet, whatever. And if that's me saying that, come on. Now, and it, and it basically, you know, really pushes right across the cell membrane gets into the mitochondria like does, it's job. Okay. Because of the way it's

designing, because of this glucose, you know, because it's a glucose peroxide. But what's really cool about it is when you ingest it and the Japanese have done like, like, dozens and dozens of study, they actually were studying ozone auclistorin for diabetes as like a cure for diabetes. Um, because it really helps fasting glucose levels. Okay. Which you wouldn't think, because it's a glucose peroxide. It's like sort of counterintuitive, but because of how it behaves

interstellarly and what it does, it causes like the specific type of gradient, um, that causes

glucose to be taken up. And, and basically, you can utilize glucose more efficiently. But anyway,

you do heal a lot of stuff with it. Yeah. So, so really, what's cool about it is is when you ingest it orally, it gets absorbed in the very first part of your doodinum, in the first part of your, um, of your small intestine. And so, systemically, it has a lot of impacts, because it obviously can get everywhere across the river, so it can really help with a lot of things from like different pulmonary diseases, like people with bronchi actresses, like, refractory TB. It's been used in, like,

different or degenerate disease dates, and you can nebulize it, you can inhale it, you can take it orally, all these different things. So, this is around so long. It's been around, so the, right, so the, the backstory is just, the backstory is so interesting. So, when it was presented at

the conference that I went to, like a year ago, basically, this very, um, you know, brilliant

physician scientist back in the late 1800s, he studied it immensely, and he was curing everything, like, while these basically, you know, diseases back then that you didn't have antibiotics, where you didn't have penicillent, like you couldn't cure any of these things, and he was, like, getting people better, um, all these different viral diseases, bacterial, you know, infectious diseases,

“and things like that. And he wrote, like, 15 different, um, additions to, like, his work, right?”

And I guess he passed away in the beginning of the 1900s, and in, it's literally all of these additions, and, like, all of his works that he wrote, like, all these things that he wrote about, they've been sitting in plain sight at the library of Congress. So, a bunch of these guys, then, like, a bunch of these physicians that are, like, super cool, like, half ways, and, like, like, to learn all this stuff in the ozone space, they got these works in start of, like,

and started reading all of his, you know, books. And they were able to figure out, like, oh, my god, this is how we're going to do this, this is what we're going to do, all the things, and it's really safe. Like, you can't really, like, over just, and you can actually give it IV, and you can combine it with DMSO IV, and it's actually fantastic, what it can do for, like, all different things, especially autonomic dysfunction, um, uh, you know, cancer, you know, other con complex chronic illnesses,

but I love it just as something to build immune resilience, right, and something to support

“your mitochondria, and if you want to, and know also, it has, it has activity against viral, um,”

lipid, lipid envelope denon, lipid envelope viruses, so, and most bacteria. And so, it's really great, you know, and time microbial. Um, if you want to get it into your gut to do good stuff in your gut, or kill any, like, bad bacteria, or bacteria, if you just, like, COVID, um, you have to, like, combine it with, like, a chia seed, or something, so that you can push it into the gut, because it gets absorbed. So quickly, in the small intestine, but, um, yeah, we use a lot, I use it intra-neasily,

twice a day, and then, if I feel like maybe something's coming on, I'll use it more. I mean, you just dilute it down, um, and then we use it topically with DMSO, like, in a very, in a four-to-one solution, or even, like, a more diluted solution, but the four-to-one solution is great for, like, anyone with different, you know, dermatities, like dermatitis, like, psoriasis, eczema, wounds, yeah, like, weird pizarre rashes, anything that's, like, hot in arithamitis, like, it

takes away, and it's a very, very ponent analgesic. And the last thing I'll say about it is it does

“not disrupt the gut microbiome. That's what I was saying with Japanese, they studied this extensively,”

and they showed that it only kills the good bacteria and not the bad, which I think is super super fascinating and cool. Oh, like, here's the bad bacteria, not the good. Yes, all right, thanks. That's why I had that by she said that that's to me. It kills the bad and not the good. And it leaves the good away. Like, when you study it, like, even, like, at 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, like, you might get a little drop and like, but all the bad are gone, and it really doesn't really

mess with the good bacteria. Fascinating. I'm yielding a list of stuff that I need to start getting in the intelligence, right? That's a lot of intelligence. And then maybe I should quickly talk about

the panobiotics. They do like it a lot for God. So the antibiotic is basically, you take healthy

donor stool, and you autoclave it. You autoclave the crap out of it, no pun and down to it. And you're left with, like, 13 to 15,000 different bioactive compounds, which are your metabolites, that's the good bacteria make. So you're getting really healthy donor stool with the right bacteria, the right balance of bacteria that make all these beautiful postbiotics or metabolites, right? And so why I like it so much is because when you use probiotics, right, that's like,

“you know, yeah, I think a prox, they're good for some reasons, but I think of them as sort of, like,”

tourists, right? They're like passing through your gut, you know, and they're giving you those things, like temporarily, where this is sort of like, you're not depending on the actual

bacteria or probiotics. You're just showering that person with all these amazing metabolites. And

they've done, like, you know, they have studies that, you know, show, like, you know, it's efficacy and different things that it can help with, but it does seem to really help patients, like, with autoimmune diseases, with the leaky gut, you know, because it's really helping with that short-chain fatty acid replacement and all the other metabolites that are going to help seal the gut up and also providing some of those bioactive compounds that's a good bacteria and you're

got want to feed off of, right? So I have a lot of good success in, you know, basically what I'm dealing with patients for gut restoration and repair, like, with using that product and it haven't, like, a good impact. One more question then before we finish, what would be one for each of you that you think is often used and is it completely unnecessary? Well,

“you're about a branch of amino acids. You know, honestly, branch of amino acids. I know if you're”

fasting and you want to get some branch of amino acids go ahead, but it's not truly the branch of amino acids need a full spectrum from the protein. They need all they need to ask us to really do their job and not kick one, you know, sort of overflow one pathway and not another. There's maybe zero evidence that you're not better off just eating protein, taking your silly branch, chain amino acids. What about the DNA? But I think, yeah, it can be the central amino acids,

it can be useful. Okay. So like, I have no qualms against using the essential amino acids in

people and we will see deficiencies in the last times when we look at microintrointesting, where I do need to replace those in people, such people have been sent or older people, but all you guys who are taking your BCA is just eat some freaking protein. Right. So of course, work out. Just eating protein. Right. Yeah, eating protein is just silly. Okay. And again, it can actually create when you look at what happens metabolically,

you'll see a different metabolomic pattern. Somebody who takes BCA is in some way they're protein and it's not a healthy one. Really interesting. Okay. I don't know. You don't have bush. Well, I just had one of my head and it slipped out and I went away. There's just the problem is, there's a lot of nonsensisable marketing to you and things that are-- Oh, I know. Well, it's silly, sort of. No, nothing so. But I think people are such suckers that

just that don't know about it, right? That just take a regular multivitamin. Yeah. Because all you're doing is just creating expensive peat. Now let me qualify that hold on. So like, most multivitamin is out there, right? Just had the little bit, little bit of each thing, right? The little bit of all these different minerals and vitamins. And you need such a high dose of each one of those things. Now, granted in our space and some companies that we work with, they make or what

selenium, you know, like all the minerals, your vitamin D, A, you know, all those things that

“makes a difference, right? But I would say, when my here's like, what do you mean? I'm not taking”

my most, like, I'm like, no, I was like, you don't need that anymore, right? And like, you need all these multivitamin products that have, you know, yeah, they're not getting it. No, I could take this one pill has this and this and this and this and this and then do one is way too small and do anything. Well, great marketing. Yeah, yeah, great goes back, right? We had a whole conversation about this this past week and right, but they you have this cool product that has like

all these different things, let's say for even even mind a conjure, right? But like, it's not enough of, like, each thing. And they try to tell you, oh, because of the synergy between them, but there's such little synergy because you're getting a little bit of a lot of things. It didn't not take it into account in somebody that like doesn't have a good, like, gut microbiome, which most people do and they're not absorbing properly. I mean, it just, it's just diluted and diluted products. Yes,

though anyway, all right, that was, I'm not as, not as, um, not as, um, not a big treat, not a treat, not a treat of in thinking of wood at that point, but it like, it's actually, I've been arguing this for such a long time. And if you're buying a $20 multiplied by them and you're probably

not getting, you're getting enough, if 5,000 percent of it, I said, I'm like a sense of pee. Yeah,

sense of urine. No, and it's just getting pee dust. Overdoing it on the cheap stuff and then not giving you anything at the important stuff is what they do. Right. It's just, people don't know anybody, but they look at price tags and go, well, this one's $25 cheaper than the other. Well, there's a reason. You know, so, oh my gosh, you guys, I can go for another six or seven hours week. Because, well, I look at the clock and I'm like, well, how the hell did we go?

Oh, I got to talk in a minute. It's what I'm waiting. I like to be that would be yes, but what did we go for? Almost two hours. Oh my God, that was so fun, though. Well, I haven't had a fraction of enough. So I would ask you guys to come again when we can do this again, because this was damn fun. Well, you would have talked about talking to us in cool peptides, things like that. What did I? Yeah, we got, well, we got a million topics to go back to.

“You should list the good. We did. We had a lot of topics. What do you guys have coming up?”

You both have books coming, right? I mean, what do you guys have coming? Tell me, and so we can tell everybody and share you with the world, please. So I'm just doing a lot of lecturing, you know, so I'm hitting the lecture circuit. You can go to my site and find out those places. A lot of medical conferences, but there's a lot that I'm going to that I'll be lecturing at Asprey, I'm lecturing this Da Vinci conference, Da Vinci Mastermind. So these are kind of

one more public conferences. So I don't, if you guys go to my site, you can sort of find those things, because I think this is like one of my, I think both of our goals is to try and teach medicine and not just, you know, to try and counteract some of the social media that's become so overwhelmed with nonsense. So I think both of those are really trying hard to try and

you know, get a little bit more of a person's there. It's always hard. You're, you're good at it.

We're not so good at it. Yeah. We're going to make you good at it because that's the point in doing so I am hitting the lecture circuit to not as much as my friend Betsy, but I'm getting there. I'm like just slow. I'm like low and slow, right? But yeah, I have some conferences coming up next month, like IHS and calm, which we're so, which is such a great conference. We love calm. And then I have a few in April, um, uh, the, is it the advancement of medicine? I always forget

it's age and something. It's in April. It's on my website, and then also we have this woman's longevity conference that we're speaking at in Turkey and in my, it'll be like, oh, what? There were people on young conferences in Turkey, especially geared the women. Yeah. So we really interested in it. Then I have the AOT coming up, which is in May. So yeah, so I have something like this starting. Our cells and Dr. Killer are putting together a little, I don't call a podcast, but a few

little podcast like episodes. Yeah. Can we do it exactly this? Yeah. We're doing it together, where we really just chat about topics that, you know, where you can bring a lot of the support here, different opinions. Yeah. And we, and it's like relatable. You know, we're awesome. We're doing these animal, the L4 episodes of that. And we really want you to come on as a guest at some point

“if you don't mind, we'll do what you come on. I would do anything for you guys. Do you know what?”

So you're going to come on at one of us call her what an old mavericks. We're called the medical mavericks. Do you like that? I love it. What do you think of that one? Within reason, I would do anything for you guys, especially. No, I would. I, I really would. You, I don't, I can't ever really tell you what all you do for me, because it's just, there's not words. No, I'm bad. But I am

always want to give the credit where the credit is due and anything of impact. You know,

in the social media world. And I love that you are trying. I mean, viewers, I don't know, don't take in my course. He's learning the science. You know, I love that you're doing that. Just out there service, spreading, no, you know, stuff that. And with, and with such authenticity, you're such an authentic. I want to know every day, but you're like the best. Thank you so much. I look, I only know one way to do things. I'm only smart, because I hang out with the smarts

“people in the world. I don't know what I said. I do the same thing. You have to,”

don't scam him. Yes, you can, you can never know too much. You just know too little.

He's learning perpetual student. Yes. I mean, that we say Michael Jordan didn't stay great by not shooting anymore practicing every day. I try to learn something every day. And we always have to be willing to change our mind. That's right. That's huge. Like, you know, how we done things like, like, oh, I guess I was scared. You know, I mean, there's so many things that we all back on. I'm like, why did I do that? Well, if I got on, I could write a book just on the

shit I've done wrong or said. Right. But that's okay. I was a competitive swimmer growing up,

and I swam D1 a college, but my coach is always told me I was really coachable. Like,

and I feel like I feel like I can, like, basically, partly that into, like, any part of my life, you know, and because I love being coached and I love learning and I love, like, exploring all these new things. And it's okay, it's okay. And it's okay if I'm wrong. I think the best things that we could have internally is accountability and humility, because if you have those, you can always accept responsibility for what you've done wrong. And when you do something good,

you're humble about it, and you just appreciate it, and see what you're trying to say. When you start

getting too big for your own shit, that's when things go wrong. That's what happens. No, everything.

“That's what happens with a lot of people unfortunately. And you have to, I mean, there's”

something that's, I was really getting down on. And then I love them. Yeah, and they're like, "Well, actually, the evidence is not really pregnant or our results. We have the advantage of, we see the results in the kitchen." But that's okay because you're continually learning and understanding, so you're able to pivot. And do the right thing. You're just made the most mistakes. They just don't make the same ones overnight. Right. You learn from it, and then you change,

and you pivot. Yeah. And that's okay. You have to be willing to admit and fix and correct, and then learn and teach, and that's what we try to do here. Yeah. I think you guys again for coming and seeing me taking the time and doing this, and I, like, literally would do this with you every day. If I could, I just, I valued the shit out of this to the highest extent. So feeling is mutual. Yeah. I don't like so much. I'm pretty loving it or you. And we're really

happy because we all left hugely cold weather to come this year. I know it cannot have been more perfect timing just as it is an open-in bite. Oh, Freud has it. The rest of the world

“Arizona seems to be protected. That's why I'm most more of the reason I moved. We are the sort of”

bizarre. Yeah, I love it. And those early morning walks and tank tops in the winter are beautiful. Amy tell you. I'm sure they are. I will put every single way to follow you guys in contact you in the descriptions. I will reiterate Boulder lawn javity terrain health and everything else that they do follow them. You will not learn more from more trustworthy and better people. I assure you. So that being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jamelli. Dr. Elizabeth,

hear earth. Dr. Robin Rose, sign an off. Thank you guys. Bye. Thanks.