Why ICE Picked the Wrong City to Invade

- Hey, everybody.

- I'm pretty sure that's a copyrighted thing.

I don't think you can use that. - Yeah, I tried my best. I'm just glad that it says oh, that's rich on the screen. I was worried I was gonna have to beat him all day,

“and that's just, that's what it's all about.”

- You have to go for that. - You got great, but you're not there yet. - Quite a bit older. The hair that I do have is a lot less white than Tim. - Fuck it, you gotta go to an old man.

- It's true. - Before I get to Tim, I'm gonna go bald. Anyway, if people haven't figured out by now, they're listening and they're like, what is happening right now?

This is rich, and I am your host today. I'm filling in for Tim. He had to miss the episode, I think he told us, but I immediately forgot, I think he had to get a colonoscopy or something like that.

- Yeah, some invasive medical procedure, I think. - Right, right, I think there was a fiber convention in Maine, and so we had to go like to the fiber convention. - One of those things. - That's about right.

- That's about right. - That's about right, so I'm out here. - Was I not allowed to share that? - He's been back for a week. - He's been back for a week.

- Anyway, I'm gonna do my best here. But I will start by saying, we have an awesome guest with us today, I'm just gonna read what I wrote, so if I'm not looking at the camera, I'm gonna hold it against me.

So, she's a content creator, you probably know from Instagram, if not, a lot of different places.

“She covers a lot of topics, but I think for me,”

her most recognizable videos of these videos where she plays two parts and one is a sane person, and the other is like, it seems like a mag of relative who just magically appears in her house and is usually eating something out of her fridge.

And she's like, what the fuck is going on right now? And then they'll just say something dumb, and she has to sort of, she gets this like, oh God, look on her face, and then she has to sort of like, carefully disassemble and refute the argument.

And by the end of the video, you're like, oh, maybe there's hope for America. Her videos over the last couple of months have,

I think racked up at least 30 million views

by my rudimentary account, because she's from Minneapolis, she's from Minneapolis, and she's been cutting all of that stuff together and giving us a really good glimpse and helping control the narrative in the battle

between ICE and Minnesota. Welcome to find out Anna Connelly. - Thank you guys, I'm so excited to be here, and that was a great summary. Thank you, Rich.

- My wife told me, you guys need to have like thoughtful introductions for people. I was like, I'm gonna see him, and this is valuable. I like it. - Yeah, that's good. I'm gonna test it on Anna, I like it.

- It works, it was like a soft version, if you watched the Kelsey Brothers podcast, where Jason Kelsey introduced the guess, it's like, he's entering a WWE arena. He just gives this crazy introduction,

but yours is like a-- - It's how I want to be interested in someone. - I can do that too. Drink like seven red bowls and then just scream. - Oh my god, yeah.

Oh yeah. - That's all I feel most days, I don't even need the red bowl, like let's just start screaming. - Yeah, yeah.

I don't even need the news for like 12 seconds. - This week, I feel like I'm ready. (laughing)

- So Anna, I wanted to ask you first,

what is Minneapolis Saint Paul like these days? Has things calm down now that there's only 2300 ice agents or is it? - Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just so calm now, only 2300, it's weird.

So I get this question a lot, and I live in a, like, right on the edge of the suburbs. So Minneapolis is one block that way. And if I go west, further from Minneapolis, it's like nothing is really happening, right?

Like ice is not out there, but the vibe, the attitudes, everything, everybody's just like, it feels like pandemic,

“honestly again, where you're kind of like,”

just breathe that I don't know. Weird vibes is how I would sit. But my daughter, I have a four year old, she goes to Spanish immersion. So I'm still very much like in it,

we see that just heartbreak every day, right? Where teachers are being detained or their spouses or whoever, and it's just like constant news in our daycare and pretty much all daycare's schools around here have parent volunteers

who are like protecting the school during the day, and it's just fucking insane. So yeah, so I would say it's really based on where you are. You could be in a neighborhood where you're like, everything's normal.

Like I don't see any of this versus you're in a neighborhood where you're literally seeing ice running through your yard, chasing people. So Jesus Christ, that's it. What is it, what is a parent protector have to do?

Like what are their responsibilities?

They have like their vests and they have their whistles,

whatever, and they're just ready to call and get everyone inside immediately. There's, I can't remember if it's Brooklyn Parker, Brooklyn Center, but in a suburb, where if you guys saw the news article about two women were detained and they ended up saving

one of the agents because he was having a seizure. Did you see this? - No, I didn't see that.

“- Okay, you need to read that article because it's insane”

and just shows how untrained these people are because this man in the passenger seats starts having a seizure and the other agents have no idea what to do and the women who've been detained save his life. - Oh my God, that's so cool.

- So where that was, I can't remember which video it was, but there's tons of ice agents there. It's a large Latino population and they've been just, you know, it's what we all know, right? They're at schools, they're at hospitals,

they're at these places where all the criminals are and it's like, oh, you're just attacking like hardworking parents. So they're the parents I know have been literally like getting in a line around the school and they'll like line up to the front door

so that people are just walking through. - This is price, this is so, it's just so crazy here because I live in Atlanta and like none of that is happening like anywhere 'cause I just think they don't, you know, it's just not on their radar at the moment.

It's just like, how long has it been? Is it just been since like Renee Gooder? Is it prior to that as well as felt like this? - Prior to that, I mean Renee was definitely like the catalyst for more and more, but the reason she was killed

was it had already come in and she was, you know, helping protect people. - Right. - So yeah, it's been crazy.

“But I think it was like November and trying to think”

'cause I have, that's the other thing, right? Is even people who are not even immigrants are terrified if you just have bronze kit. I have a friend who was adopted from Columbia. She has white parents, she grew up in Minnesota,

she has never been to Columbia other than her birth

and she has not been to a restaurant since October. She was like, I'm terrified to even leave my house right now because also how do I prove if an agent says were you born here? She's like, no, but what, like, I don't know what to say? - Right, that should not be the question.

- No, right, yeah. - If you personally take in part and as one of these parent protectors? - No, well, so yes, I haven't done like the best work but the people who kind of camp out,

there's a lot of parents in the parking lots. It reminds me, this is gonna sound super morbid, but when there's a school shooting, you'll read articles of like the parents who go for weeks after just kind of like sit at their kids school

'cause they're like, I'm just gonna sit here in my car and make sure nothing happens.

“And it's like, that's what we're seeing as parents”

will just sit there. We'll be like, I'm just gonna make sure everything's okay. So. - Yeah, except this time it's not random serial killers. It's the government. - Well, yeah, so it's, I mean, it's just so interesting too

because like it's not that, right, the national narrative is like we're aware of this stuff but only you guys are really embedded in it and that's such a different experience. I'm sure just like America must feel like a totally different

country compared to work with rich in IR, you know? - Yeah, totally. - That's like, I was terrifying. That's, that's the kind of thing. That's where I get really worried about the fascist sort of stuff

because they slowly bleed it in until it's everywhere. You know what it feels like? This is one of the first entry points they're using. - I think that's totally it. And I think that's a huge fear with Minnesota

that I've heard other people say is don't look away, right? It's the same thing with George Floyd protests when we were all like, all eyes on Minnesota, you know, we're very good at protesting, even in negative 45 degrees.

So it's one of those where you're just like, you know, we can't have the news pull out because suddenly they could do anything in here. - I mean, is it, because I wonder about this guy is ice, like it's just like ice agents like wandering around

like I did just like at the grocery store shopping that obviously they pop out and just start doing their job and they're like really hidden and they just pop out like what's the vibe like with that? - Yes and no, like everyone's seen them.

You can always tell which cars they are

and they're doing really shady shit, right? They've been caught like switching license plates and because people are, you know, tracking the license plates and so you'll see them. I can't say I've seen any of groceries to her

but I'm sure other people have and like it's, you know, super weird, I don't know how I would react. - And then you get deported, yeah, it's so weird. - But like, you guys both saw Rachel Cohen's video where she came across Greg Bovino at a,

at a, at a gas station. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And she, like, she, I think she's described it as a pre-hag photo shoot which was just like, she's just standing there holding her phone, you know,

she's probably, I mean, she's taller than Greg Bovino but she's probably half the size of these other, these other huge dudes and she's just holding her phone recording a video and she's like, go fuck yourself

- You know, that guy is terrible when Tom Holman

looks good compared to her, right? - Yeah, yeah. - A deli. - It's in the topical, and everything you're just having. - The haircut, it's, it's all pure, it's like,

if you went to a stylist who would make me a Nazi. - 100%, yeah, right, yeah. - Yeah, right, I'm gonna be in a 1940s period piece except it's gonna be real life in many places. - No, he embraced the Nazi cosplay way too eagerly

and even just the way he walked, like walking down the middle of a street, flanked by all these douche bags with the trench coat and like the shit on the sleeves and everything and like dude, you know exactly what you look like right now and you think it's like

the coolest fucking thing. - The coolest, yeah, he's so gross. - Yeah, but it's, one of those things where I like, it starts to show the limits of Trump's brazen this too 'cause even he was like,

"I ever got to pull this guy out." This is there making it too Nazi and even weesh and told this far, which is kind of like,

that's the only like silver lining I found where it's like,

all right, at least this shit is scaring Trump into changing a little bit whereas if he was like excited by it, he'd be like, "I don't give you shit. Just keep pressing." And he would increase rather than decrease.

So like even though it's a teeny change, it's like, all right, Trump's kind of being, you know, persuaded

“by how negatively this is going in a teeny tiny bit, you know?”

- Totally. And I'm actually so glad that they came to Minneapolis. Obviously like, not with all the harmful stuff going on, but it's like us being the testing ground is so fucking funny 'cause I'm like, really?

You didn't notice like five years ago, we don't really do this. And I think, you know, seeing, I've told people that's where I'm like George Floyd was a global movement started in Minneapolis.

So having that in the back of our minds were like, "Okay, we've already done this before, let's do it again." - Yeah. - Why would you want to fuck with those people? - I don't know.

- Hey, Luke's back, you're internet's alive again now? Just for a very... - You need watching. - You look stupid, just a beard or like, "Hey, what did we say?"

- He's back. - You missed some crazy stuff. - I mean, those behind Luke's house, cutting cables. - Oh, I do. - Don't talk about it.

- I hate Greg Bovino. - He's like actually, he's like Steven Miller, lunchtime's horrendous. - He's fun-sized dickhead. I gotta make sure everyone knows it.

“Fun-sized dickhead, that's what he's doing.”

- That's what he's doing. - Maybe that was the badge that was on his Nazi jacket as he was watching. - Oh, okay. - Most likely, I read it supposedly,

all the people that accompanied him have to be 5/7 or shorter, so he doesn't look so short. - No way. - No way. - It's like in his rider, like concerts.

- Yes, in his rider, exactly. - He's not your rider. - He's like a bull of skittles and no one can be told. (laughing) - Anyone who makes Uncle Luke a joke goes to C-Cott

in media, and I think 50 gallons of tear gas to throw at people. - Oh, shit. I mean, you guys are really doing a huge service in that city though, because I feel like they looked

at this in what, oh fuck, we really can't do this again. You know? - Totally. - Yeah, it's a huge city, 'cause I mean, it's the same thing, like I don't know if you guys

are the same with your TikToks, but like I get a bunch of Atlanta oriented TikToks because I'm here. It's like, I'm sure you go in cities. Haven't been like every single TikTok I get,

it's like people in other big, don't come here. Like we all have guns, like that you're so fucked if you come here. Like if you try this, like-- - I have a terrible pick, Philly's a terrible pick.

- Yeah, Philly. (laughing) - I mean, all the places you're welcome are red states. - Right. - Unsurprisingly, they have no interest in going after.

- No, I mean, that overlay. Did you ever see, do you guys see that overlay picture where it's like the heat map of where ISIS versus the election, the electoral map results? They don't make way lay on top of each other,

like all the heat is on the blue states. - Of course, yeah. - Yeah, if they were after undocumented immigrants, they'd be in Texas and Florida, but they're not. - Yeah, I mean, maybe it's one of those images

where I'm like, I hope this is accurate. You know, I'm not sure, you know, the source is not there. - So if I got check. - Yeah, but it makes sense, you know, I'd make a video on it.

It would be that kind of thing where I'm not-- - So I've got that. - I've got a video planned eventually. They've got three maps. One is the voting record for 24.

One is the GDP of areas and one is the literacy rates because it turns out that land can't read or earn. And it doesn't fucking vote either. - I think they're ready to do it.

Yeah, I'm always impressed with your videos too,

'cause I've tried those scripted videos a couple times. Those are hard to shit to put together. Like how much work goes into building one of those out for you like scripting it and recording it, 'cause it's not easy to make those.

- No, it's not easy and it totally depends. So there's some like scripting is fairly easy to me, just because I either have these conversations in my head

“and I'm like, oh, that would be funny or they're real, right?”

Like at this point, when I was growing, it was harder 'cause I was coming up with everything. Now suddenly, you're like, oh, that's a good comment. Like I'm doing four or like, it's just idiots who message me and I'm like, thank you.

This is great for my business.

And like, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the misinformation ones.

“Those are like a fan favorite and I love them,”

but they take so long to make.

'Cause as soon as you add a third character,

it's so much harder. - So the interesting thing about interviewing content creators for me is like, you do so much fucking work and my dumbass just walks out to my car and like, my best videos have no script whatsoever.

- Yeah, that's true. - That sounds like so much work. - I don't think that too, like I'll record something in my car when it gets millions of views and I'm like, well, why did I spend eight hours editing that other time?

- After the fucking bitch comment, oh yeah. I was so pissed, I was walking my dog around a track at the school down the street and I was so fucking angry and I had already posted a video that day and I was like, I don't, I don't need to do another video,

but like I'm so fucking angry that he called her a fucking bitch 'cause that was the day that that audio was leaked. - And they fucking leaked it 'cause they got it. - They've indicated them I'm like, dude. And so yeah, I script everything, but I was like,

I think I got 70 seconds of being angry and I can just go and I started recording and then of course that one got several million views and the one I posted earlier that day that I'd scripted out and worked on really hard

was like 50,000 or 100,000. - Always. Or if the ones where I'm like, I don't think like, I'm not a huge fan of this one. - Yeah, exactly.

I don't really wanna post this and suddenly it's just huge and I'm like, oh, okay, well, I have terrible taste.

“- That's how it is when I have one that's like,”

that's a little controversial. Do I wanna post that and then I do it? And then I don't see it. - Yeah, well it's out there now. - Yeah, it's impossible to tell.

I've never called it right, I think.

Every single time I post like, oh, this is gonna be great. It sucks and every time. - That's the tricky thing about the algorithms now is like, I feel like I used to be able to tell within like 15 minutes.

- Oh yeah. - That video was gonna do well or not. And now it's like, no, fuck you. - Mystery science. - Yes.

- Well, isn't it crazy? 'Cause I remember Rich, you massaged me when that one. I overlaid the Renee Good shooting. 'Cause I saw both views and I was like, perfect. We've got both views overlaid them.

And it was like, I've never had something shoot up that much and I was like, what is happening? It was just like, you've got like 2 million views in an hour. I was like, oh my God, what is happening? - That video is like 15 million now, isn't it?

- Yeah, but then it's hilarious. Because it's like, those ones are the ones and not that I did it for the followers, right? But you see and you're like, oh, I only got like a hundred followers from that because I'm not in it.

It's truly just like an informational overlay. - Right. - You know, and of course that's like the 15 million thing or something, but it was also crazy to have that and people being like, whoa, that's, you know,

I'm seeing this before the news. - When the internet churns like that is a really, really crazy feeling. - Mm-hmm. - The only other, like, outside of Alex Predate

and Renee Good shootings the only other day that I think of like that is the day Charlie Kirk got got.

I have never seen the internet like that.

- It's absolutely, no, I mean, yeah. I mean, we see more and more of it now. - It's the one thing that when they're like, it's a dystopian state and magas, like they bought up CBS and they bought up, you know, they're trying to buy up cable news

and like, look at the times when it matters most, they can't control shit. They can't stay ahead of it. They can't keep me from seeing Alex Predate get shot. They can't keep me from seeing Charlie Kirk

in seven different angles and no. The screams and, like, there's no control over because it's all just out there and I think that it's terrible that these are the things that are happening in that environment.

But it's created this thing where they can't, they can't control the narrative when they're doing bad things and that's the difference between now and like, you know, you look at 100 years ago with propaganda and Nazi journey.

- They can control that. - They're not gonna print the newspapers like that. - Right, right.

“And that was the only way you got the news was like,”

did somebody bring it to your doorstep? Now you open your phone and you can't not see somebody get murdered when they get murdered and that was that. So, that day Charlie Kirk got shot. It was literally like the first thing on every single one

of my feet is like, of course. And that's even on platforms where it was definitely against TOS. Like, I saw it should not tick. - That's, yeah, that's how it is. - That's how it's so fast that nobody could even control it

and you're like, oh my god. I jumped on my stories and I was like, warning everybody like, do not, you know, if you're, I'm like a very sensitive person, especially visuals like that will stick with me.

And as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh my god, I'm the ugly, oh my god, this is so old. - It's really for the eyes, yep, it's horrible. I got it when I was driving and like my body just texted me

with no context and he's like, just look and I'm like, what, it's Charlie Kirk. Oh my god, and it's just like, okay, I'm gonna have that for fucking ever. Holy shit.

- I have the gratuitous violence, you know.

it was so obscene, I thought it was fake.

- Me too. - Me too. - Like, yes, he, obviously he had been shot, but I thought somebody made an AI video 'cause like that's a perfect opportunity

to have a bullshit, go viral, misinformation spreads really fast in that environment. - Right. - But I didn't know that that happened to a body when, well, that was a surreal experience.

I had thought the same thing and I actually was like talking to my mom that night and she works in health care and she was like, nope, that was 100% real. Like that was exactly what it looks like and I was like, oh shit.

- Oh, scary, you know what it reminds me, this is gonna be such a side tangent. Have you guys watched Blades of Glory any time the last 20 years? - Yeah.

- Okay, I watched it the other day, it really holds up. But in that scene, when they show the like move they're supposed to do and the skater gets to capitated

“and it's like an AI version, that's what it felt like.”

I was like, oh wait, is that real? Like what? - It did feel like that, it's because I also had no idea that's what happens when that kind of shot occurs. Holy shit, just the body movement was like a fucking demon

and there's something, I don't know, yeah, that was a question. - It was sick. - Because I get asked it all the fucking time. What's your method for not getting de-sensitized to that? - Mm, 'cause I don't have a method.

- The question. - I know, right, 'cause I get asked it all the time and I'm like, I don't know. - I don't know, so I, and I talk about like ADHD a lot on my page two and I like definitely have it

and I have very like justice sensitivity and all of these like, so I don't know how much of that is just my brain can't, you know, break those? But yeah, that's a good question, I'm sure, I mean, we all do, right?

You see that stuff in the next time you see it, you're like, oh, that wasn't as bad as the one before. - Exactly, like I know the method that you're supposed to do with what the military does to avoid PTSD, which is like, you're supposed to play Tetris,

something with flashing repetitive lights. They literally make people play Tetris after they've been in traumatic experiences in the military, where it's clinically proven to reduce PTSD.

- I love Tetris. - I know, right, safer. - I literally played so much Tetris after I watched all three of those videos.

“- That may be that's why none of us have PTSD”

after 2025 with all this being. - Well, we're all playing our Tetris. - No, if in like 40 years, there's another like orange guy who comes up, I'm gonna be itch and I'm gonna be gone. - No, no, I didn't expect that topic to come up,

but I saw therapists like in the middle of COVID, parenting, working from home, hoping your kids don't die because there's a new virus, that was a stressful time to turn it out, really, but the therapist, - How rich how old were your kids during COVID?

- Oh, Jesus. So when it hit, my son was two and a half and we thought he maybe had asthma and there was no data, because there's a lot of asthma in the family, he doesn't, it turns out.

But at the time, there was no data on anything. And so we didn't know if like, asmatic people were, if that was a comorbidity or, and there was of course no vaccine, there was not even a horizon for a vaccine.

The first year, and he was in daycare full time,

my wife and I both work, and my daughter was, she's four years older, so she would have been like six and a half, yeah, and so, we did, yeah, yeah. And most of us got the vaccine before we ever got it, but he did finally get Amacron right when it came out.

Like two days after going back to daycare after Christmas break,

“January of 2021, I think it was when Amacron was on the tear”

and, or 2022 maybe, anyway, and he was fine. He had a high fever, but it was kind of a miracle, not a miracle, but it worked out. But the therapist told us or told me this trick, where you like, it's because there's,

like PTSD is unresolved trauma and, and Tetris, I think, because it's like compartmentalizing, it helps your brain actually resolve unresolved things that have been just hanging out there. And so there's this like alternating padding thing

that you do and you can move your eyes back and forth, and if you repeat like how you feel and then how you want to feel and you go back and forth between that,

you're basically simulating, ram sleep.

And so then your brain compartmentalizes memories, and I haven't had like really bad anxiety since, I only did two sessions. - EMDR, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But like, oh, but almost nobody knows anything about it.

and it really helps that I-- - Did you call it, Zach? What is it? - EMDR, I think it's like, I am movement, something, it's about like reconstructing how your brain thinks about certain things, 'cause I'm similar to Rich, like I'm with my daughter,

like anytime she's sick, I'm like, oh my God, it's just every just happening. - It's happening. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And because she, yeah, my daughter's also for, and she was born during COVID.

So it was constant concern about all that stuff, and it's just embedded in my head of like, this is dangerous.

but the less of a lunatic now thanks to this shit. - Well, man, it's interesting, I need to look for it. - It should, it's great, and only that it starts. - It's tough, it does, it does. - I mean, it's needs to be guided to some degree,

but it's very effective, but it takes, you know, I mean, it's amazing, you've got it done in two sessions, so that's usually needs to be more than that, so you must be really good at it. - I'm really good at everything. - I'm really good at everything.

- It's the best. - And I, that was a long intro discussion. - We're still in the intro. - We have been in three minutes left. - I don't know. - That's the rest of reality. - No, I didn't want to ask you because your videos,

you have this really well-established sort of back and forth between these like, MAGA relatives.

“I think you even mentioned like a MAGA muse”

or like a Republican muse in one of your, so clearly you have real subjects in your life. What I want to hear about is like, how did this come to be in your head? I think all of us, we all have,

everybody's got somebody MAGA in their family, right? What were your first memories of experiencing people who were you like, what the fuck is wrong with their brain? And how do I like bridge the gap with that person? - That's a great question.

I think so I grew up in, I grew up a lot of places. I moved around a lot, but high school in Rochester, Minnesota,

and so I always tell people, that's where the male clinic is.

It's this weird two worlds where you have like, rural Minnesota versus like, top scientists in the world. And so thankfully, I did not go to high school or college during this time, right? 'Cause I truly cannot imagine what kids are going through these days.

It was hard enough, you know, with like, all the other days, and just wondering, yeah, what was going on in people's minds, and like, it just felt so much more actual politics back then, right? People are like, them fiscally conservative,

and you're like, well, that makes sense.

“And so, yeah, so I think those days were still,”

you know, I would battle, like, I've, you know, been a liberal since birth, would battle with people, but it definitely did not feel that crazy until 2016, right, when it was like, that was probably the first time I cried about politics, and was like,

wait, what just happened, like, you know, and then it still just kind of, I made a video yesterday, I don't know if you guys saw it about kind of the shift in anger, because so many of us are like, we've had this anger for the past decade,

and it suddenly feels worse, more just personal, and you're like, yeah, so I had said, you know, I think it's because we're seeing everything happen that we warned was going to happen, and those MAGA family members are like, no, I like this.

No, I thought you were going to change once this started happening. - Yeah, that's a great person. - Yeah, that's hard. - Yeah, it's so, it's so hard, so honestly,

I mean, personally, I'm feeling even more of the struggle with bridging the gap.

I always tell people, I don't buy into like,

the black and white thinking. I'm like, there's always this gray area.

“I think that there are still this chunk of people,”

probably much smaller than any of us wants it to be of MAGA voters who are changing, right? And they're saying, like, wait, wait, I'm shocked that this is happening. But I'm a little more pessimistic now, lately being

in Minneapolis where people are seeing these videos and are just like, yeah, I'm fine with this. You know, like, oh, you're just not a good person. - You're a terrible human being. - Right.

- You're a human, okay, I got it. And a lot of it is in some of my music. It's kind of this like, well, mistakes are going to be made. When you say like, what about these people who are being murdered? What about these people wrongfully detained?

What about, you know, the five-year-old kids? - Yes, and they're like, well, mistakes are going to happen. The mistakes are going to happen. And you're like, yeah, I'm going to punch you in the throat. That's where I go right next after that.

'Cause I-- - Yeah, that's basically me bridging the gap right now. This is just my fest. - And then we'll have a little mistake. - Because of the calling, those things mistakes

is fucking absurd to me. - And especially because like the racist background of it, right? Because it's like, if this was a little blonde, you know, my little blonde girl blue eyes,

nobody, you would never say that.

- Well, this is what you would have yesterday, right? That girl asked her dad, what would happen if Trump raped me, and then he killed her. - Yes, that's, I mean, that's insane. - I mean, that's insanity.

- Yeah, and it's like killing your own daughter 'cause you're questioning Trump, that's-- - That's what I mean. - That's like cold behavior, yeah. - You didn't see that?

- Some guy in Texas, I think. - Yeah, no charges filed right now. - And this family, that's that'll change, I really hope. But like they changed. - It was, he got into a fight with his daughter,

his daughter was challenging him on Trump,

what if Trump raped me and he just killed her?

- Yeah, that's the-- - Absolutely insane, you know. I mean, it goes back to like Rich, you made that extinction burst video a long time back, and like, that's talking to my mom about it last night,

'cause she's my mom is a giant fan of Rich, and she's watching some of her biggest fans. - And she was like, mom fans are the best. - Like any of my friends, moms who love me, I'm like, I love you.

(both laughing) - He doesn't have a bigger fan than her out there. And she's like, this is the burst is too short.

“And I'm like, I agree, I think that's what you're feeling”

in that sense is like, everybody sort of looked at this and went, all right, this is just the last throws and, you know, it'll be fine. It's like, oh, the last throws are gonna last. It could chunk a time, you know,

'cause in the grand scheme of things, I think what this is like me personally, the way I find optimism and this stuff is I look at it and go, all right, this has been a broken shitty system pre-Trump, like for most people in this country

have been struggling since Reagan reconstructed how we work as a society. So like to me, this is awful in the short term, but it's necessitating like major shifts in how we go forward, and it's just

frittering away support for Trump and his bullshit, every single bad thing they do. And I think it just opens the gate for like actual substantial change down the line. It's just a question of like, do we trust Democrats

to fucking capitalize on it and make actual functional changes where like Americans can look? And see, European systems coming in and social democracy coming in in a way that like changes the construction of wealth

in this country and comfort and care. I think it's possible. And that's like, that's the part of my head where I'm like, I'm angry, but I'm also still optimistic just because of how bad he is.

It is going to burn out a lot of support for this stuff. - That's how I feel.

“And I think if you like, I'm assuming you guys”

are big fans of history and everything,

and I think I always say that if you're a fan of history,

I think you're a little bit more optimistic about this because you see the patterns, right? That's like, look at Germany. - Thank you. - Now it's been extremely edgy.

- I think it makes sense. - Look at the number, good. - Yes, yes. - You're right. I mean, Germany's a great analog for that.

Like, yes, it did see that we're 80 plus years after the fact, but you look at it and you go, I mean, they're a fucking awesome. And then when you bring up that time, they're like, I don't want to talk about that. That's how we're not going back.

- We're not going back. - Yeah, yeah. - Now it's great. I mean, it's great, it's the wrong word. But it's like, we have so much fucking potential as the country.

And it's just not being realized in the worst possible ways. So like, I think Trump going the total opposite direction and going all in on it is actually a really good medication for the problem we've been suffering from for a long, long time. Well, and he's not making the same arguments.

You know, Bush cut taxes and then said it was to trickle down.

“And like, I think we discussed in the episode with Justin Wolfers, right?”

He, like, they're not making that argument. So we don't have to refute that argument anymore. He's just building a ballroom with Palantir donations. Like, they're, they're cutting taxes because they want money. And, and they're building shit for themselves

because they want to be celebrated. Like, that's, that's the whole conversation. They're, they're deporting people because they hate brown people. Like, that's it. And there was a, there was a story in the New York Times

about a raid in Idaho in, in October. And it is now making national news because ACLU opened a lawsuit. And in this lawsuit from ACLU, it describes how children of white people who were at this event were just let go and given food and water. And there was like a, there was a three year old Hispanic girl

who went hours without water, a 15 year old Hispanic U.S. citizen who had his food taken away from him and thrown away. There was another U.S. citizen who was brown, but didn't speak Spanish. And they kept yelling at him in Spanish. And he was like, I don't speak Spanish.

And they threw him on the ground, pinned him down. And then kept yelling at him in Spanish because they thought he was lying. They, he didn't speak Spanish. I'm like, do you think he knows how to say? I don't speak Spanish in English without an accent.

But he's secretly speaks Spanish. And so it was just like, I mean, there are grotesque examples of racial profiling that are now coming to light. And there's footage and there's video of all of this stuff. And so like they're back to the point, you know, they're, they're just doing

the things that we always secretly, that we always said they were doing for,

for nefarious reasons. And we were always told, no, that's just a fringe minority. They really want to grow the economy. Or they really just want to have secure borders. All of that is, is out now.

Like, all of those arguments are gone. They're not even making the arguments. We don't have to refute them. We just know, this is what it is. And so in two or three, five years, when they try to say, we'll know if we've got

taxes on the wealthy. It'll grow the economy. We'll be like, that dude, I'm about to, let's get back to the throat punching, because like, we're all out of arguments. Exactly.

Exactly. I mean, it's the, I think a lot of it is, it's, you know, the economic step is at one in the election. But this shit that's happening with ICE is the real reminder of the danger.

with ICE stuff?

Like, I know, like, you live in the city where these horrible things happen.

But I doubt you were within 20 feet of seeing those happen.

“So like, what have you actually seen firsthand from this stuff?”

I think it's more, so I speak with a lot of my daughters, like former teachers and current teachers. So the stuff that we've seen, right, as people actually being detained, rightfully, people, we had two teachers detained who have work visas. They were immediately sent to Texas.

They had to be bailed out, right? So like parents raised all of this money and we're using it for legal fees to bail out people who are here legally. And, you know, what's going to be done, right? Because they're taking tens of thousands of people at a time.

And you can't possibly wait for, you know, judges to get through all of that. So that, along with, you know, people losing jobs, I'm constantly in contact with people. I raise money and I send them money for rent is a big one. I think, and this isn't to like demean those efforts. But a lot of people jump into like, how can I get groceries?

How can I get all of this stuff to these people? And that's awesome. They need food, but they're also at risk of losing their homes because they can't pay their rent. Yeah.

And so it's like, I have, you know, we have someone we know who has, he's a mean it's tech. And he was working three jobs. He's here legally. He's been working three jobs.

We've always said, like, Jorge is the hardest worker we know.

It isn't sane. And he's here legally. He has lost two of his other jobs because the restaurant he worked at shut down, because it is primarily Latinos in serving Latinos. And the other job of like nighttime cleaning, they cut, you know, for whatever reason.

“So I think that's the stuff that all of it pisses me off, but it's more the excuse of like,”

well, if they had done it legally. And you're like, okay, but these people who are brown, who did it legally, as you say, are still facing these repercussions. So, you know, that's the stuff that I see that just makes me even angrier is the blatant racism that they just can't see.

Well, and it's all operating under the pretense that they ever give a fuck about the law. Anyway. That's true. That's true. That's yeah.

I don't know. It's so hard to watch it because like, it just doesn't seem like a thing that can actually happen. And then it happens, you know. That's the, and like, I mean, for you, especially being a parent, like, how is it being

a parent in this space? Like, I mean, your daughter is young, but like, even just having her outside the house, it's got to feel like a different vibe versus, you know, six months ago, and this wasn't happening there.

“I think, like, the harder thing for me, so she looks nothing like me, she's this little white”

blonde blue eye, like, kid, and I get called the nanny a lot.

Um, I'm always like, no, I actually gave birth to her.

And so the privilege of that of just being able to take her anywhere and not worry, I'm always kind of like, this is the fact that there are kids in my city who can't leave their house right now. Right. And I think as a parent, that's, you know, I'm not in the difficult stage where I have

to tell her anything. She has no idea, um, it's more the heartbreaking, you know, when her teachers, um, what is it? February. In January, when things got really bad, um, a lot of the teachers stayed home.

And we did a soft clothes for Thursday Friday of the daycare, anybody who really needed it, you know, medical professionals, whoever they could still go, but the rest of us said, okay, we'll take those days off, so the teachers can hide in their addicts, right? Like fucking insane, um, you know, and then her teachers were gone for a while because they're hiding at home and so she'll come home and say, oh, you know, I heard my teachers went

to kindergarten and she's so sad. And I'm like, no, they're just sick, you know, they'll be back. So she's unbothered by this, right? She's just kind of like has no idea what's going on. And it's more of those subtle things where you're like, I'm telling you that your teachers

are sick, but they're hiding from the government, okay, got it. Jesus. There's some things like that, or that you just make you just get, I got that comment alone just like hit me in the face, like that is real life for you guys. And like the scary thing is this could that could be in a lot of cities soon or rather than

later, you know, that's Jesus Christ. It's awful. And I thought, you know, I've talked a little bit about generational wealth on my page. And I was talking to my husband about this yesterday is, you know, Latino kids. So let's say that their parents did come here illegally, which, you know, we know plenty

of people who then their kids, we know somebody who came here illegally such a long time ago has three kids, ones in college, ones in high school as a stellar student. The other was a Marie. And you think about the generational wealth of that of these parents did what they had

And then a lot of Latino kids then helped their parents, right, because they're like,

you did this for me, I'm going to keep paying you, you know, and help you out with this. Well, suddenly these kids are being just decimated financially because their parents can't work, can't afford their rent. So it's just, yeah, I was talking to my husband about that. And I was like, I'm sure that's not the point.

I'm sure that's not the whole point is to just crush this entire group of people, you know, from every which way. But what do they get out of it? That's like the question I want to ask people who support it, like, what is actually, what are you getting out of this?

You know, outside of the obvious, like it's racism and their racist, like the net outcome is negative in like every single way, society is unraveled in a way that's not positive. It's bad for the economy. It's bad for just like general disposition. Like, what is the net benefit of this?

There doesn't appear to be one. And that's where I'm just confused about how people can support it. It's like, all right, yeah, you grounded them up.

“So like, what did you get for it, you know, I think my thing.”

So there's a quote, I never say this right now.

I will not say it as eloquently, but it's like, a society grows when old men plant trees. They know they will never, who's shade. They know they will never sit under, right? Yeah. And that quote, I've heard it decades ago and it's always stood out to me.

And so I always tell people, I'm like, look at the, what drives them? Trump wants to be the richest man. Like he wants to have as much money as he possibly can. He does not give a shit about his kids. What happens after he's gone?

He wants to be able to look at his bank account, the day he dies and knows. And know how rich he was. Steven Miller, I think is a person who's driven by hate. That's it. I think he's just like, white power.

That's what drives me. And that's what I want. And so I think when you get that mix of people and you can look at all of their

different incentives like Christy Known, she wants photoshoot.

She wants to see herself on Vogue. That's it. Those buckers cover the seven deadly sins. They got it. Seriously.

Seriously. And that's a great video. You should do that one. But it is.

“It's just like, I think people have a hard time because you're like, you can't relate”

to that. And so they're like, well, nobody would ever do that. And I'm like, well, no, you wouldn't do that probably. But like the people you support would. And are and are.

And are. Yeah, that's been the hardest thing for me as we've been told like since the T party that, oh, this is just a fringe minority. And we don't like the bulk of Republicans don't want this stuff. Um, and now there was a quote I learned of while back.

And it was a see if I can similarly not butcher it. But um. Right. And that's my. I look like good luck.

You you stand for what you tolerate. Yep. And it's most people are just like, no, no, I don't. But when you look at it through that, but you do because it's it's that's the excuse that everyone who's got some level of privileges is for like, well,

I voted for him for the economy. Well, you're tolerating the racism. You're tolerating the deportations. You're telling now. It's also you're tolerating is a economic abuses.

Um, therefore you stand for it. And putting that responsibility, the whole responsibility of what they were choose to not refute on people makes them really uncomfortable. It's also a good standard to hold yourself against. Um, it's it's it's difficult.

But it forces you to make better decisions and most people don't. Most people just don't want to hear that. And if you tell them they're just like, no, I'm not going to. I'm not going to hold myself in that standard. Yeah.

How do you get them to understand it? That's like, I don't get like, because you're right. But like, how do you, how do you get that to be something where they hear it in the absorb it is a post? Well, and I was going to ask if you guys read much on like cult behaviors or

like the psychology behind cults a little bit. I haven't, and I want to read. I need to find some like books about it because I think it is so fascinating whenever I do see I'm like, Oh, yeah. Okay.

That is what this is. It's, I mean, I, the little bit that I've done most of it is functionally around the feeling of a lack of safety and then providing safety.

“Like that's why a lot of this like the rhetoric from the Trump administration,”

especially this time around is really predicated on building a fear base. And then going, All right, here's a foundation of a lot of shit. You should be afraid of immigrants bring crime and, you know, all, you know, a housing is going to be fucked because of immigrants. All this, these things that make you fear that your base level.

And then you go, All right, well, this person's going to protect me from the biggest problems I have, right, exactly. And that's so it's like it's the, you know, it's, it's structure to like, here is a giant fear that we've built for you. And here is a big pile of safety.

And that is the people that are desiring out of the people that feel the most afraid that people who fall on the cults are just frightened people. Yeah, fear is a huge, I mean, look at religion, right? People will stone their own children because they're so terrified of an after life. That, you know, they're like, no, I don't do all of that goes out of the window.

It's like, okay, unfortunately, we don't have enough time to get into religion.

Let's do it. Let's do it long. Two thousand years.

“Okay, so I think we've got like 10 minutes left.”

We've talked about a lot of things. And I, I did ask you about like, and ask me anything. And I think maybe we could end on something other than the notes that we have. We've, uh, traversed in this conversation. Let's find a happy ending.

Okay, yes, I like that for this for this episode. So I don't love that verb. Yeah, I don't either. I was just going to say the same thing. It's not ending.

No, it doesn't tell now. The child loves, loves happy endings. That's all. Damn you. Damn you rich.

I said something yesterday really quickly to my friend who don't ask me the context. Because it'll be too long with story. But I said, oh, it's like work camp. And I was like, hey, it's like work camp. But she just tears me.

And I was like, oh, no, no, never mind.

Whoops. No, no, no, no. That's so funny. All right, so who's got a question for Anna? I've got a couple of written down.

But go ahead. I've got one. I have to jump in one minute. So I'm going to do mine. First.

If you could only pick one creator to follow who would it be. Oh, that is me. It's a little. It's tough. It's so mean.

Shoot.

“Because then it's like, do I go with an Aaron Parnas?”

We're like, I know what's happening. Or do I go with just like something funny? It's up to you. Probably rich. Hey, that's a good answer.

You just won, right? That's right. That's right. I mean, no notes. Yeah.

No, I don't know. I'm going with rich. I love it. Sweet answer. I'll take my mom agrees with you.

Yes. So does my mom. Yeah. Which is okay. You're just pants.

My two fans. I have a question for you. How does your husband feel about your DMN? Oh, okay. That is a great question because yesterday I got a.

I'm still going to do benefit of the doubt because I'm always.

I've always been the girl who's like, they were kidding on me. Yeah. They were just and everyone else is like, what are you talking about, Anna? And I sent him a note from a former NFLer. And I was like, look, he wants to get together for coffee and like pick my brain.

And he was like Anna. Anna. I want to know what this is now. I know you can't say. I can't.

But I was just like, okay, okay. So yeah, he's my husband is an on social media. He hates social media. He is more just like, yeah, any time like he's such a sports fan. So anytime someone in the sports world follows me.

I send it to him and that's pretty much it. That's cool. And now he regrets it for the rest of his life. He's like never tell me about athletes. And you'd be as again.

Is your inbox? Like, did you just want to get coffee? Like, it's just coffee. Yeah.

Is it like half death threats?

That's going to say what's the flirting hate to love ratio. Well, so I.

“I truly, I think get and I hate things because I'm not making it a challenge.”

But I think I get less than most creators because I purposely don't do like inflammatory stuff necessarily. Like, I'm so like these are the facts. So mostly I get people who are doing the like, well, did eight me. I'm like, you have seven followers. Who are you?

Like, you have seven followers and Nick Flint as your profile picture. Yes. And I'm like, no, go away. And also you don't know what debate is. So it's more of that.

Honestly, I get like a lot more praise, you know, I feel the love and my DMs. Again, not a challenge. If you're a troll, don't come at me. You know what, that smoke. No, don't give me that smoke.

Luke, what's your got? Uh, ooh. You're on a desert island. One book. What do you got?

Ooh. Ah. The Bible. Real. I was going to say it.

I think it was, I would have been there. There we go. I think it's a rich really wanted me to bring up religion again. We could talk. We could talk to Lutheran though.

I grew up with him as well. But that's another episode. I guess a better question is, do you read like, are you a reader? I do. Yes.

I mostly read like, I go through phases, but I've been in a long term. Just muddy like romance novel phase. But I wouldn't want one of those on a desert island. I think I would choose like a really long maybe it would be like the. Lord of the Rings like entire trilogy and it would just answer.

You've got two you were that's two perfect answers. There you go. Yeah. You just read the more to our poster off of your wall. Yeah.

She stole it. She stole it. She stole it. That's actually hilarious. I do have the giant like actual full trilogy one, so.

So might have the Hobbit included too. Anyway. Not Harry Potter. No, because I honestly thought Harry Potter and then I thought, well, I don't want to read just one.

But they've actually good will because I can't buy them new and support.

You've got to buy them used.

“I don't think I could see J.K. Rowling's name in front of me.”

Like. Like, stretch it and scratch it out. Some miserable human. Bring so much. What all truly like true.

I think of like the biggest falls. And it's like Rudy Giuliani. You could have just gone off into the sunset and been like, I was the mayor during 9/11 and that was it. Nope.

Giant fall. J.K. Rowling. Why do I fall? Elon giant fall. Yeah.

It's the Batman quote. You either die here or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. There you go. And they didn't have to live that long. They didn't know.

I literally had to be in a like two years. They went straight. Yeah. Like buddy. You're 30 seconds man.

Based on parts it out. Okay. I got two more questions for you. And then we'll wrap. And these are weirdly both about death.

I must have been thinking about death when I was writing the notes last night. So if you had to choose between freezing to death or falling into a volcano, which one would you pick? Reason for sure. Really.

I've always said like if I had a terminal illness or something.

Give me a funeral where you just like push me off onto an iceberg. Because then you just like fall asleep. You have time to think and everything just kind of like slows down. Don't give me the volcano. But I feel like first you got like the whole teeth chattering.

And I don't think that's very fine. Yeah, but that's not. I mean, I'm in Minnesota.

“That's why I feel like I have a pretty good tolerance for cold.”

Fair enough. And it's like it's not a. It's not painful. Like it's annoying in your teeth. You're not sure stuff but.

Maybe. Yeah. I guess I was like. Me look at the light. I was kind of picturing myself like.

Blubbs and stuff. Hmm. I'm so nice. Minister of winter death. Yeah.

Fair enough. Okay. Last one. Would you rather be eaten by a hundred piglets or one great white? There's an easy click here.

I feel. Piglets are so cute. I'm going the way. Yeah. It would take a long time.

It would take so long and it would hurt. The great. If it was just like little nivelets, you'd just be like. Oh, like little outages. Yeah.

Stop it. And stop it. A little more. A little piggy. Yeah.

I'll go. Great white. But what if you had to be in the ocean? This is the improv edition of the question.

“What if you had to be in the ocean for like 20 minutes knowing it was coming?”

No, piglets. Then you're taking the piglets. I think what the piglets would take longer. There's no way. I'll take that over.

Open water is truly like one of my biggest fears. My parents. I'm not joking here. I should probably see a psychiatrist for this, but my parents live in Costa Rica. And they have this.

They live up on a hill. So you see the ocean. I can't look at the ocean for that long without just getting kind of creeped out. And I'm like. I'm not going.

I'm not going to throw any shade. I have a devastating phobia of birds. I it cripples me. I can't hear on him. Yeah.

Can't do it. It's on my birds. But open water. Yeah. I can't.

We've all ever. Some bastards. I hate them. I like birds. Like pigeons.

You don't like pigeons? No. There's flying rats. That's what they are. They carry disease.

Well, this was a terrible ending to this entire process. We had a run at Luke. Yeah. I think full credit for it. Can we get that back?

I'll trade him off. All right. I think we need to wrap.

I've never ended an episode before Tim always handles this.

So he's got the stuff memorized. What is it? Find out something at podcast. Find out. Go there.

Buy a merch. I'm wearing a shirt. I got to do the grand reveal. That Tim always did the Superman. I know.

I love you guys. It's just hot. Like a lot. Very cool. It's Chad G.P.T.

Right, Luke? No, don't say that. Somebody will clip it. We fucked. It's a real.

We had a real artist. We had a real artist. Yeah. Real artists. And our stuff is union made.

And printed in the US. Thank you. Anna, Connolly of Minneapolis. Thank you for all of your work. Thank you for spending almost an hour with us this morning.

Despite the technical challenges. Thank you. Yeah. It's been wonderful. Thank you guys.

It's nice. Until next time. Till next time.