#2482 - Andy Stumpf

The Joe, Rogan, experience.

"Train my day, Joe Rogan, podcast, my night, all day." Being a pacific is the way. Avoid violence at all costs, you know? How majorly? Look at you, dog, you're a fucking author.

It's taken easy. I'm not an author until tomorrow. Oh, no, you're an author once it's written. I can read it, which makes you an author. I have a book in my hand.

Yes, it makes you an author. I tell you what, man, you had more of a-- you had more of a hand in that book than you would think. [INAUDIBLE] Every, before we start, I had you sign one of the copies,

because I'm going to keep it for myself. And the people's names, who associated themselves with that, who took a chance on me and supporting me, they have just as much as hands as the monkey who may or may not have been sitting in front of the computer

writing out the words. Very slowly.

“Isn't that the case with everything in life, though?”

I mean, it's really who you know when the people that you associate with and what you learn from them and their examples with everything. And there's no individuals that are responsible entirely for their own life.

There are individuals, though, that would tell you that they are. Yeah, thank you. Those are the people that I don't hang out with. Yeah, I can't suffer being in the presence of somebody who

thinks that they had every idea and every right decision was theirs. Because I look at my own life. One, I can't compete with that, because my life is defined by its mistakes and idiotic things I've done.

But two, I just, I don't get it. I'm a product of the people who I was raised by. The people I was around the people still in my life. I mean, 100%. We all are.

If you don't think that, you're delusional. But you cannot have an exceptional person that's surrounded by dipshits.

“They just won't eventually, they'll give in to dipshedery.”

It's contagious, negative people. You really got me thinking, though, if that is possible. You're trying to think of it example. Yeah, probably shouldn't. It's impossible.

It could be possible, but it's very highly unlikely. And also, they didn't achieve their full potential, if that's the case. They would have been even better if they had been surrounded by exceptional people. Improbable at best. Yeah, at best.

Yeah.

I've never seen an example of it.

Again, maybe one exists, but I don't know about. But as far as all the exceptional people that I know, they all associate with other exceptional people. You know quite a few exceptional people. You have an interesting job that has a venn diagram that is incredibly unique in the people

you've been able to sit down with. It's pretty fucking weird. Did you ever think, no? First up, by the way, I try to point as many people as possible to jerry number one, because I think it's a masterpiece.

It's a good thing to see. Oh, my God. It's terrible. I'm like, wait for the snowflakes, and they go, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm like, just wait, it's amazing.

I mean, could you have ever thought though, at jerry one, where I feel like that was you on a laptop, yeah, 100%, yeah, 100%, yeah. And to where you are now, where you were sitting down and talking to some of the most influential people on the face of planet Earth? No.

I mean, I mean, I think if I planned it, I don't like that, it would have never worked.

You know, you could have tried too hard. Maybe? I don't know. What I would have done. I mean, I probably would have been more careful, which would have made it less fun,

which would have made it less attractive.

“Now, I think the two things that I've done that are really important is not pay attention”

to much online talk about me and just follow my interests and my instincts. Like, I booked the whole thing entirely on instinct. I look at like the, all the different suggestions that come in and all the different requests to be on the show. And I go, no, me, oh, why is that?

Purely on self interest? 100%. I think that's the way. Do you get per day, like ballpark people trying to get on your show? I don't even know because I have a really good got it, filters out a lot of them.

I bet it's got to be in the hundreds. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. But he filters out a lot of them and it gets down to what I, he knows me really well. And so he, you know, sends me, like some physicist is working on some new things, some

quantum thing, this, that, the other thing, like there's a new person that's doing this. And there's new research on that and then there's, you know, that kind of shit. Yeah, I think the difference between you and me is I appreciate the fact you can hold a conversation with those people. I would be sitting there listening to them with like the scroll wheel on a pack, like, do

you have words that are smaller that could explain that. Well, some of them I have to really prepare for like, you know, if I have like a Brian Cox on or something like that, I'll really prepare, you know, or, you know, there's been a few people over, over time where I knew they were coming on like three months out. So I've read a couple of their books, I watched a few of their lectures or what, you know.

Yeah. But then there's other ones like I could just hang out with them. They're like, Evan, Evan Hayver comes on.

Angry, small French painter, I can read Berais. He's the best. I was with him at the Montana Grand Opening, Montana 9 Company Grand down, but in their

“new HQ, we've been on the road a bit, I think like two days ago, he's one of my favorite”

people. Absolutely. He's so weak. But he's one of my favorite people. He's an awesome human.

Yeah. The very unusual human being. And, you know, he's one of the ones that's suffering from that stupid fucking alpha gal bite. He's got that tick.

He got a bit by that tick that makes you allergic to red meat. Is it all red meat or processed red meat? It's animal meat. It's mammal meat. That's the thing.

It's some fish, some people can eat fish, some people can eat chicken. He's broken it down to only eating eggs right now. That's how bad it is. He's getting all of his protein from eggs, which is a great source of protein. No doubt.

But that's exhaustantly boring, though. You just go to dinner with him. It's crazy. The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs. That's all he can eat.

I would just mock him and assassinate to his face. I know you would. Do you guys have a larger salad? Yeah. You can mock him that way because I care for him so deeply.

He has truly like one of my closest friends. He is an awesome dude. Yeah, so he's been battling this for a couple years now. He got clear of it and he was eating meat again and he was fine. He thought it was over and then it came back and he came back with the vengeance.

It's a weird fucking disease because let's find out, put this into proplexity. What is the most, as far as like the documented cases of this alpha gals syndrome, when did it first start occurring in the United States?

Because I had never even heard about it until Evan, when he told me about it, I was

like, what? You're going to allergic to red meat. And how can it tick bite cause that?

“I mean, Lyme disease is another one like, how does it do that in a bite from a tick?”

Just jacks up the human body. Well, apparently Lyme disease has existed. There's been forms of Lyme disease throughout history. But there's real solid evidence that Lyme disease, which is named Lyme disease because of Lyme Connecticut, is related to Plum Island, where they're doing bioweapons research on ticks, historically

good ideas. And it's right there. It's like literally right there. And then the prevalence of Lyme disease on the East Coast is fucking outrageous. It's outrageous.

How many ticks carry this fucking thing? And there's so many people that have Lyme disease. And that's a lifelong one too, right? Like you're not getting off that train if you can manage this. You can cure it.

You can cure it. People have cured it. And they've particularly cured it if they get on antibiotics very quickly. So one of the weird things about Lyme disease is that the bite has like a little target around it.

It's weird. It almost looks like a bull's eye because the infection, as it grows, is a red circle around the bite. And if that goes away within a few days. And if that's recognized, you bring it to a doctor, the Gichon antibiotics, you can actually

get off of it, depending on the severity of your case, obviously. So here it is.

Alpha Gals syndrome is a peer to a first emerged in the U.S. in the late 1980s, but was not

recognized as a distinct tick-related meet allergy until the early 2000s. So in 89 clinicians in Georgia collected about 10 cases of delayed allergic reactions to mammalian meat, mammalian mammalian, mammalian, mammalian, and link them to prior tick bites. These observations were not widely recognized at the time. Allegios first formally identified as originating from tick bites in the U.S. by Thomas

Platt's Mills in the early 2000s reports. Note this discovery process beginning around 2002 and becoming clear by 2007. So in the medical literature, it's first described in 2009 when published work documented patients with delayed reactions to read me and link them to I.G.E. against Alpha Gals. Interesting.

So it seems like it's in the '80s, but really started being recognized in the 2000s. Explain, I mean, he has definitely slender down. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the all-in-one platform for building a website that actually looks legit and helps you stand out online and I should know. My site, JoeRogan.com is powered by Squarespace.

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“Yeah, I mean, he's lost, I think he lost 10 pounds.”

I'm pretty sure it is worth his wife's pants, the MKC is a very tight, very tight, unacceptably tight. But that can be a benefit. If you're the same size as your wife and you have just one wardrobe, I'm here for it.

Yeah, it's efficiency. Some of their shoes though are really hard to walk around in. I mean, you got to commit. Yeah. I would imagine.

I mean, yeah.

“When I go places with my wife, I'm like, "What are you doing?”

You can't walk." This is a crazy thing you're doing. It's not for walking. It's for fashion. But what my daughter would call the "steas," which I think means style.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'm actually not sure that I'm using it correctly. She just teaches me words and I throw them out at random times. But I think a lot steas means style, I think.

Yeah. Steas. Did you know about that one? Jamie? The steas?

I have never heard it until this moment.

At least I don't believe so. The steas. It's a pretty use at however you want. Yeah, chicks wear stuff that they're so vulnerable in. You can only take steps that are less than 24 inches wide because you've got to dress

that's clinging to your knees, which is very odd. It's tight all around here so you've got these short steps and then the bottoms of your shoes are slippery and then your heels are elevated and then the heel has a point to it. Yeah. So it gets stuck in the grass.

Just waiting to snap at the most in-alpertune moment. It's the dumbest shit of all time and they're fucking crazy expensive. The whole thing makes no sense. What are they doing? They're trying to look good for us, though.

But they look good already. That's what they don't understand.

“I think they're looking good for themselves.”

I think they look good without that shit. I would agree. Yeah. A hot chicken flip flops.

No one's going, God, oh, she was wearing some shoes as you could walk around in.

She might even be more approachable if she wasn't flip flops because she's like maybe more down to earth. Maybe that's what they're going for. They're going for not approachable. Trying to keep the fucking knee.

Doesn't that defeat the overall end-up like long end-around purpose? No, you're trying to get dudes that are willing to take a chance on what? On a gal that's unapproachable, like you have enough confidence in yourself that you'll step up to an unapproachable gal. Nope, not me.

Heart pass. Heart pass. Too much work. I really didn't do some things that people think are odd, but yeah, I'm heart that's a heart pass.

Yeah. I know. You're not. You're in line. There's a lot of other dudes approaching that too.

So now that it's like a, you're in an audition process. Fuck, all of that. Oh, right. Yeah. Life is way too short for all of that.

It's great for people who don't have anything else to do. Of that's all you want to do. Nope. Yeah. I'm not interested in that.

Same. There's way too much other exciting shit out there. But yeah, if you and your wife wore all the same clothes, it would be an issue. A good issue or bad. I mean, if you're limited on time, we're going to go to the top of that.

One time, we're going to, we're going to go on a trip. Let's just bring a pair of pants. We'll switch. I wonder what people did in the caveman days. I don't think they were very much.

Right. But you were in, like, some kind of animal skins.

It's basically a one size fits all, you know, tarp, loycloths, all over yourself.

Yeah, loincloth to keep your dick from getting caught in thorns, and then it tarp. Yeah. Yeah. Cutting edge at the time. I was reading a story about these guys that were like exceptional marathon runners.

In Africa. And one of the things that they did is it's insane fucking rights of passage where they

“would circumcise them with this, I don't remember the process, but it was a particularly”

brutal process. They sliced the tip of their dick off, and then they would make them literally crawl through thorns. Yeah. The whole idea is just, like, make you as hard as humanly possible.

And these guys, they were pointing to this one tribe as developing exceptional marathon runners. Because these guys had such high pain tolerance and such like willingness to go through horrific or deals. Yeah.

And what is it? There it is. initiation. Okay. So, he says he had to crawl mostly naked through a tunnel of African stinging

nettles. Then he was beaten on the bony parts of his ankle, and his knuckles were squeezed together, and then the formic acid from the stinging nettle was wiped onto his genitals. But that was all just a warm-up, early one morning he was circumcised with a sharp stick. That's what it is.

A stick. Stick. During this whole process, the crawling, the beatings and the cuttings, try to say that guy's name. No.

Kip-gogi. Kip-gogi. Kip-gogi. Kip-gogi. Kip-gogi was a blood, sounds like a Korean dish.

He was obliged to be absolutely stochical, unflinching, he could not make a sound. Indeed, in some of the versions of the ceremony, mud is caked on the face, and then mud is allowed to drive. A crack appears in the mud. Your cheek may twitch.

Your forehead may crimple. Crinkle. You get labeled a "kebit-tet," a coward. You get labeled a coward if your cheek crinkles. And stigmatize by the whole community.

I want to say that this is enormous, social pressure placed on your ability to endure pain,

is so fundamental to success.

Circumstations, he says, teaches kids to withstand pressure and tolerate pain. Manor says he thinks his distinct advantage conferred on athletic kids grow up in a pain embracing society as opposed to Western pain avoiding one. Interesting. Yeah, where is this at? In Kenya?

Is it Kenyan tribe? Yeah. I'm an honorist with you, Joe.

“If that's what they did to your people, I would run pretty goddamn fast, too, because I”

would want to get the hell out of there. Yeah, the thing is that, but I just think, you know, you're joking, obviously, but imagine if that's the norm, if that's your baseline, you're like a custom to, that's the worst thing that you go through, and you have to do it completely stoic. At a young age.

At a young age. You would develop some insane tolerance to discomfort, which I don't know if one time is enough, though. I mean, like what they're describing is horrendous, but true tolerance and resilience inability to work through that stuff, I don't think it's a singular event.

Right. Not the marathon running is an easy endeavor by any stretch, so they're continuing to do that. I mean, I get what they're doing that ride of passes, but wholly hell, I mean, that's pretty gnarly.

The thing that you will see from ex-fighters and even ex-military guys, like what they endured when they were young was so brutal that as they get older, they avoid any discomfort at all. They get fat, and they just want to drink and be lazy, and you're like, how did you go from being that fucking beast to the slob?

And, you know, they still, and they're mind, they're still a beast. You know, because I did, there was a world champion and like, you know, big fucking belly. Yeah, they can't see their dick when they're naked anymore. It's weird, it's, I don't have any stats on how big it is because they stop doing it.

Correct. Right. I mean, laziness affects everybody. Right?

“I think that you come from the special operations world, and you're defined by discipline”

for the rest of your life. No, you're still human being at the end of the day behind the curtain. And, you know, gravity wants to keep guys like that on the couch just as much as everybody else. But I think you realize the utility of not allowing that to happen.

Some people do. Some people do. I mean, that's true of every occupation in life. Sure. Yep.

Maybe it's a little bit more uncommon for people to see those that came from that, one of those occupations. But, yeah, they're out there. Yeah, I think that's probably in everything in the medical world. I'm sure there's guys that like really pay attention and college, and then they're kind

of half-assing it as doctors. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, it's like the difficulty of the grind. Sometimes you get through it and then you just go, I don't want to ever fucking do that

again. Guys who are former Navy SEALs will not get in a fucking ice bath. Yeah, I wanted to. Hi. Nice to meet you.

Why would I consensually do that? No. No. And I also wish that they could make a sauna that was just room temperature, but all the health benefits.

I see sauna doesn't bother me at all. I can tolerate that one way more than exceptionally cold water, which I understand the health benefit. I'm willing to pass on that particular health benefit to have, it's emotional for me. I just don't want to do that anymore.

I get it. I get it. But when I get to the cold plunge, there's the bitch in me is so loud, but when I get to the sauna, there's no bitch. It's like, just get in.

It's like, I know it's going to suck about 20 minutes in a little sock for the last five minutes. It's really going to suck.

But the first 10 is easy.

I just high five my inner bitch at the cold plunge and turn around. Like, like, you take a lab and that thing. I'm done with it. I almost don't do it every day. Every day, almost don't do it. Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is physically. And it's weird because after a minute, it's not that bad.

After one minute, it's like, you just kind of, you develop like sort of a relaxation in your cool. Yeah, it's fine. Especially if you do it a lot, but the first 10, 15 seconds is just like, what am I doing? You just want to get out, you just want to quit, like, get me the fuck out of this 34 degree

water with ice up to my neck. Fuck this. This is so stupid. I don't have to do it. Yeah, you feel like you're having a heart attack, but then you just chill.

And then when you get out, you're like, oh, you feel so good. It's so worth it. Or don't do it. Just leave it empty. [LAUGHTER]

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Go to armoura.com/rogan. Apparently there's real data that it's harder for women, it's harder for women to tolerate extreme cold weather, cold temperatures and water apparently. Interesting. Yeah, they even recommend like women's cold plunges be slightly warmer than men's.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, what's the way that would be? I don't know, it's something whether it's physiology that it might actually be detrimental to 34 degrees, that see if we can find any data on that.

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She's the one who created the Soberg principles. She's one human in the sights all the time. But I think there's something that maybe it's less muscle mass, your body has a more difficult time heating itself up and creating a thermal barrier. It's an example of a guy that I deeply respect but struggle to understand what he's saying.

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Good luck finding a fucking clinician that understands cold plunges, though. And there's a picture of me in the lower right. Daggering! It's probably what I look like when I get my toe and I just don't like it, man. Don't do it.

“Hydrophobic, I think, is the correct term.”

You suffer enough, you suffer enough. So this book, the title is "Drown Proof" and you were saying before we got started, how many Navy SEALs wind up drowning and that it's actually kind of shocking. It would be for a community that is supposed to have their roots in a maritime environment. I mean, the SEAL community draws its origins from the UDTs and the Scouts and Raiders

and honestly up until 9/11, it was one foot in the water and one foot on land, like every operation would start in the water and then you could go onto the land but you'd probably go back into the water and almost all of the training we did 9/11 was based around water. And I think, let's see, Jamie, you could look this up, two seals recently drowned on a ship boarding, real-world ship boarding.

One guy, it seems like in the climb, peeled off the ladder and went into the water and

somebody saw him and went in with him because of the concept of being a swim buddy, never

to be seen again. Oh, yeah. And there's no, what happened to them, like, out? I mean, it's, yeah, 2024 in the Arabian Sea. Oh, it's we fell off a ship.

Yeah, so they were approaching a vessel. I mean, there's a couple ways that you can get on a boat. You can come from a boat and you can climb up or you can go to from a helicopter and fast rope down where they could land, depending on how big the boat is. So they were coming up alongside, it's called an under way, where a VBSS visit board, search

in seizures, the technical military term for it. And on the climb up the ladder, the guy peeled off, fell off the ladder and another one went in with him as a swim buddy. If they immediately, and there was, and maybe still is an ongoing investigation from my understanding, they saw their head maybe one time up and then they were gone.

Their bodies were never recovered.

So that would seem to be that they were wearing negatively buoyant equipment, so they were drugged down and they probably were not able to activate their life jackets in time, which is super unfortunate. But the water doesn't give a shit who you are and how much of a bad ass you are.

“I think it's one of the most gnarly environments on earth.”

Really? Yes. Every time I go in the ocean and I swim in the ocean, there's this feeling, like, I think I can make it to shore, but I might not be able to. Like if you jump off of a boat and you've got like a couple of hundred yards to shore,

as you start swimming, you start swimming like I'm fine, I'm fine, oh boy, my heart is going pretty fast here, I'm breathing pretty heavy, that's a long way, I'm moving very slowly. Yeah. Like, what if I can't do this?

Is it real positive thoughts to have mids, mids, swim here, Joe? Yeah, not good, not good, it's only happened to me a few times, but, you know, my friend Greg actually had a save a woman, he was on vacation and he saw a woman getting caught in

Uh-huh.

“They never, those things will pull people out and never to be seen again.”

Yeah. People don't. So I live up in Northwestern Montana in a lot of the flathead lake, the largest freshwater lake, west of the Mississippi is right where I live, in Glacier National Park tons this no fall and so it's glacially fed rivers that feed into flathead national forest, they're

not in flathead national forest, they're a flathead lake. And voting is a huge summertime activity and people travel from all over the world to come to Montana to see G&P Glacier National Park and every year people are drowning in these rivers. And I don't know, it's dangerous, but it can be avoided, but it seems as if they just

do not have respect for even medium moving water. They have no exposure to it, they're not used to be inning to being in that water and they don't look at it and realize like that'll kill me or so incredibly fast. And every year people are going into that thing and dying every year. But it makes sense also that it's so fucking cold, that water's, you've got glacier streams.

Yeah. It's like, Brammy rescue to Lady from that. You know, Remy more? Yeah. Yeah.

Remy actually saw a boat that had capsized and saw like gear floating by and saw a woman that was struggling and I believe her partner died, now I'm sure a partner died and he jumped in freezing cold river and rescued her and he was like, there's a bunch of moments during there. I am not going to make and I'm going to die trying to save this lady.

Which happens when people get close to that point, either going to in your best attempt to save them, they will try to use you as a life route. It's why I'm all over you. The next thing you know, two people are going to step in. Right.

Water, water will eat your lunch, man, it's, it's wild. But you would think we spend so much time training in the water that it wouldn't happen. There's, I mean, there's diving accidents, there is, there are deaths and training. How often does that occur? Deaths and training.

Oh, probably about every five years and it sucks and what I'm about to say, people won't

understand, but I also think it's essential.

“I don't want it to happen, but I think it probably is essential that it does every once in”

one. Because the training has to be so difficult that you get to the brink. You have to train people for the job that they're going to be asked to do and the training standards need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the career is going to be. And I don't have the vocabulary to describe how bad I feel for the families and I'm not

trying to minimize anybody's death, but you will lose more people in the real world execution of the job if you don't make training that difficult than you will by making it that dangerous knowing that it's going to be that dangerous and that people will die that will have a positive impact on people surviving to actual job itself. That completely makes sense.

That's just the realities of life. Yeah. Some jobs are very unique and some jobs have very unique requirements and you have to train for that. It's going to either come for you on the front end of that or the tail end of that.

That's the balance of which one of those you're going to focus on. Which is why the lowering of standards is so fucking dangerous and when it's talked about like the lowering of standards to make it fair for some applicants. There's no fair in that job.

I've never seen a bullet change trajectory because it noticed what you have between your

legs and wanted to go be more fair and equitable to somebody else. No. It doesn't matter in those moments nor does the ocean give a fuck in the whole period. I don't believe it does. It's so weird that we try to apply these workplace equity considerations to something

that's like literally. I can't think of a job that requires more of you than war. There's this is literally life or death and taking life. There's no job that requires more of you. And so you would just automatically assume the standards, especially for special operations

guys, have to be the most stringent possible.

“You have to weed out all the bitches, like you can have any bitch in you at all.”

It's got to be none, no quit, no nothing, and there's only one way to do that. You have to make a bunch of people quit. A lot of the times the people who are bottom lining the policy changes don't have a direct impact in the training pipeline themselves or the execution of the job, which is crazy. The military is a bureaucratic system.

Even in the special operations world, even at like the J. Sock level, people would be never

then really makes the movie the amount of paperwork that you end up doing. Like you go on a trip and you have to collect your receipts into your travel claim and all this other BS. It's all just shit blowing up and you throw a grenade and it's a fireball, the size of the 55 gallon drum and gasoline.

Yeah, and then there's two days sitting in front of a computer typing out all of your administrative stuff because of all the bureaucratic restraints that are still involved

It doesn't seem smart.

It's just the way the military system works.

Now is that to somehow another mitigate potential actions that should not have been done

“because you have to be so documented, everything has to be so laid out?”

I mean, there's a lot of, even like the equipment that you wear oftentimes, well, almost all of it is going to be serialized, so you are issued that equipment, you're responsible for it. There's paperwork that goes for being issued that if you lose it, which does happen and it's not going to be career ending.

Like if you went out for a week in a row and you're like, hey, I'm lost my night vision goggles and get them on the other side of those. You might have a problem, but shit happens and people lose gear, but you know, night vision, weapons, ordinance, ammunition, like a lot of that stuff is serialized and so it's just the bureaucratic way that even at that level, you still have to keep track of all of that

stuff. Who think they should hire somebody else to do that? They do, but oftentimes you are in small units very isolated by yourself, and so you still have to maintain, like even in the middle of nowhere, you still have to maintain the paperwork aspect of all the stuff that you take with you.

Oh, that's kind of crazy. Yeah. That seems like an unnecessary distraction to an already very insanely difficult job. I mean, I'm not saying we do the paperwork well.

There's a reason why the deal he's never passed an audit, but I mean, ever.

The Pentagon, like, how many years in a row is the Pentagon failed, they're audits, like 700. It really is kind of balkers.

“I believe the Marine Corps is the only branch of the military that has ever actually”

done a legitimate audit in past. Really? Those guys are tightened up, man. Those guys caught a little Marines. They're shot out to the Marine.

They're the best, man. Wow. They're the only guys who pass the audits. That's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. The rest of us are just out there, like, I think I got it with me. But the problem with that is once you don't pass audits, and there's a history of you, not only not passing audits, but not being punished for not passing audits, that opens up the door.

No, the Pentagon has never passed.

Never passed a full-cleaned department-wide financial audit as of the latest audits. Defense Department is the only one of 24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full-financial audit. Hell yeah. So it's only been going on since 2018.

So no big deal, God. Is this only eight years? Yeah, that's only a few trillion dollars. Whatever. Whatever.

It's fake money anyway. They just make it. That's pretty crazy. Well, the budget is interesting in the military. So they go off a fiscal year from October 1st.

Okay, this, hold up with some, we have this statistic where the Pentagon's own audit materials have pointed to a target of around 2028, financial year, to achieve, to finally achieve a clean department-wide audit, contingent on fixing longstanding accounting and systems problems. Imagine if, like, the IRS calls you up says, Andy, you didn't pass your audit. Well, I think I can get it in 2028.

I'm on a lower trajectory towards this target you want to be at. You want me like this? I'm like, I can get there in about two years. Okay. That's reasonable.

Let's just take all your money between now and then. Oh, yeah. No, we don't need to do that. Let's give you a bigger budget to work with. I wonder if that answer takes into account what's going on currently in the world because

I feel like we're running through some inventory that might have to be tabulous. Seems like there's probably a lot of ordinance that's been hit. A lot of it does sit around for a while, so there is an argument to expanding it. I am not in any way shape or form. It could go bad.

It's like tomatoes. You got to eat it. It's exactly like tomatoes. So, Poza grenade is slightly tomato-shaped, but a J-D-M looks nothing like a tomato. What do they do?

I mean, I don't know if this ever happened. What do they do if, whether it's missiles or any weapons have been sitting around too long. And does there an expiration date? Probably is. I mean, I've been there when we have literally burned rifle ammunition, large stockpiles

of rifle ammunition. Really? Yeah. Because if it's sitting around too long, there comes the possibility that it's no longer effective.

Oh, man, this is a while ago.

“I think it was more that once we got issued it, we were expected to expend it all, so”

we were not allowed to take it back to base with us. So we were, oh, that's hilarious. Oh, that's an even dumber. You want some funny stories? Talk to Evan sometime.

I bet you he's had this experience. So there's a weapon called the Carl Gustaf that if you shoot too many of these things, it's in the manual. It'll start separating the lining in your lungs from your body. Because you're just, it is just this massive projectile.

And you'll go out and do these trading evolutions. And they'll say, yeah, here we are, the Carl G, do not stand behind this bad boy when it

Oh, how many can you shoot before it separates the linings of your lungs?

“I believe the warning is somewhere around six.”

Jesus Christ! Oh, shout, you'll go out to training evolutions and they'll be five guys and there's a pallet of ammunition and they'll say you're not leaving here until all these are shot. Oh, my God. And you're cracking off Carl Gs until you have a nose bleed.

Or you'll go out, they have like law rockets or, you know, when I first went through

his M60 ammo, though, I kept it, you guys, the training's not over until you guys shoot all this. But yeah, but we totally did everything we're supposed to and we can't, we understand that. But just go ahead and lay down on the line and shoot these thousands of rounds of ammunition

out. Whatever you want to, because it's been issued to you, so I need to go expend it. Can you show me one of those things going off, Jamie? Carl Gs. I want to see what it looks like.

I'm trying to talk to my wife into naming our next dog, Carl Gs. I shot a 50 caliber once, and I was like a bear it. Yeah. I was like, "Hey, that feels like you're a whole body just goes." Boom!

So this is a two-man evolution here. Look at the size of that baby. Yes. Close it. Lock it.

He's checking the back blast.

This guy's like, "Fuck him about to lose my teeth." Here we go. Oh, did he shoot it? Yeah. I didn't see it.

It's supposed to be essentially a recoilist. It doesn't feel like it. You know it. They did. We'll show it again.

That's the back blast right there. Oh. Yeah. So he doesn't even move. When he was pulling the trigger, that wasn't loaded.

That was a fake shot of him showing how you pulled the trigger. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

We'll see if there's more video.

I just want a better shot of it actually going off in his arms. Let me see what it looks like. Wait for fire. Here we go. Back, let's do it.

Clare. He looks fucking nervous. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, airburst.

You can set these suckers. You can twist the the warhead to set it the lay on the thing. You can have it airburst, like if they're trying to play hide and seek with you on a wall. See, this is the argument for those little robot dogs.

Because you put one on one of them little robot dogs and have that thing shoot it. That way you don't have to lose the lining of your lungs. I don't know if a robot dog could handle that thing. Really? What about one of them big robot dogs?

I don't know if the answer just make it bigger. Probably. I'm sure there's a size of robot dog that can handle that. I mean, you would imagine that. But then you would need a friendly other robot dog to reload it for him.

But that would be possible, though it would totally be possible. Or the robot dog has like arms in the back that can do it. Oh, that was a training round. Nice little rifle barely. Oh, that's crazy.

Yeah. That's cool, see. What a great shot. Taking that shot, though. Fuck all that.

As it do, I'm loading around into it. Oh, that's the camera. Good, Lord. Yeah. No, next time you send out with Evan, ask him, like, "Hey, did you ever ask?"

At the end of training evolutions, ever have extra ordinance and ammunition that you had to dispose of? That's crazy. Yeah. Just make it blow it up. Yeah.

His answer will be yes and he'll start laughing.

“So if you have to do it outside of shooting, how do you do it?”

Well, you can blow stuff in place, like you can make a large pile of stuff and, you know, later something at it. But you don't even fire. You can actually light the ammunition on fire, it'll go off and it's outside of the direction. Well, outside of it being compressed in the chamber of a gun, which, you know, if you think

of like an AR platform rifle, when in the round is in the magazine, he gets pushed forward by the bolt and it's being held by all sides except for down the barrel. So all of the pressure is pointed in that direction, which is what propels the bolt down the barrel. If you remove that, it kind of just explodes in place.

I'm not saying you're safe to like stand around and like have a beer while you're like from media you, we would be on the other side of a brim, but it sounds like popcorn going off. Oh, okay. And then for other stuff, you can layer explosive charges on top of it and probably get

all of it to go. Yeah, it seems insanely wasteful. It seems like you should be able to say, we achieved what we needed to achieve in our training. Here is our excess ordinance that we could use in the future. Yeah, you just haven't spent enough time running military.

Oh, well, that's been explained to me about budgets that if you do not meet your budget, you get in trouble because then they can't ask for the same amount of money next year. So I heard that every year that when I was in in September was a fantastic month to be in the military because that's when they, because the budget year is October 1 to October 1.

September, the bean counters really start taking a look at what they have left. And they'd say, I was a supply rep for a short period of time, meaning I was a little

“cog in the wheel of supplying stuff to the guys to like, you need to spend $100,000 in”

the next three hours on shoes, which let me tell you, Arya is happy to take your money.

If we don't spend it, we're going to lose it, but I never actually saw that tested.

I don't know if you actually would get in trouble. They just always assume that you would. So you ran that sucker down to bankrupt and then October 1st you're going to go, wow. Yeah. So here's a good question in terms of like shoes.

When your missions will involve a bunch of different types of terrain, a bunch of, like, is

“it, do they favor a lighter weight shoe that's more of an all-purpose shoe?”

It's like, I couldn't imagine you would be wearing like a crispy mountain boot with like high leather. Yeah. It will so it disappears. It's very.

You got to have a wardrobe, Joe. Right. Being good at your job is second only to looking good while doing your job. So we trust me. I've sent people back to, like, your top and bottom are matching.

We're not doing this. Go change. Really? Yeah.

You have to look the part.

It's equal to your professionalism in tactical ability. Interesting. Yeah. I was a little bit picky on that, but I don't want to clash on the battlefield. You need to look good.

It's like you can't have everybody looking awesome, and then like you look like shit, go change your outfit out. Yeah. Orange boots on, dude. What are you doing?

Yeah. The boots, you could, I mean, you take a Pelican case or a box. You have a tool for every job. So if you're going to go up in the mountains, if you're going to go like Northeastern Afghanistan, you're going to wear a different type of shoe.

For sure. If you're in Iraq in an urban environment, you're going to wear probably the lightest weight, like the Africa who makes them, but like the speed cross shoes. And those things are, I mean, that you might get two months out of those, so you bring a couple pair.

You're going to bring some footwear that if you needed to go into the water, like not swim around in the water, but you pass through water, or those like Solomon's. The Solomon's speed cross. Yeah. And the souls on those things, they don't last very long.

But again, when you get a hundred grand by shoes for three hours, you can buy extras for people. So you kind of have a, it's just like all the rest of the gear, you have co-weather gear, you have desert gear. And the coldest I've ever been is actually in the desert because of the super high high

and then the super that swing was way colder than like in mountainous terrain. The moon. Yeah. But I mean, so when you lay out your stuff like before, every deployment you get ready to go on, you're laying your stuff out.

You probably have two tables like this with all like desert, woodland, coal weather, layering system, shoes, different low bearing equipment, different back. And then you just lay it all up, put it into a bag, and then you do the best you can. And you're kind of just packing, you know, for what comes up in front of you. And you're just ordering stuff from REI for real.

Sometimes. Yeah. Wow. So not everywhere. The conventional teams are very limited in their ability to do that.

At a J-Sock level, you have a little bit more room and flexibility to source from outside vendors. So you would go for the best possible tool for the job. 100% of the time. Yeah.

Yeah. Instead of just get military issue, correct. I got the dumbest question for you about that. Tell me more. This is the dumbest question.

“Have you heard of the story of the can-to-hard giant?”

Are we talking about an actual giant? Uh-huh. No. How did you hear the story about a can-to-hard giant? There's a crazy thing called the internet.

I may spend less time on the internet than you guys. Yeah. And if you have a good algorithm and by good, I mean, retarded. Yeah. You get...

So. Oh, my. There was a goal. There was a goal representation. Obviously, not an actual picture.

So there was a story that, uh, what is the guy's name that was on Jesse Michaels' podcast recently? Tim? I don't remember how to check it out. So supposedly, there was a giant that engaged U.S. troops in Can-to-Harr, Afghanistan. And, uh, in the very remote area, and this guy was shot and killed and met a back

out of there, or, you know, helicopter out of there. And, uh, their 12-foot giant, Tim, uh, Al-Berino. And he was, was he telling the story as if he was there? Well, he heard this.

There's never a guy who was there.

Can it? This is apparently one guy who has this face covered up in one of these videos that I watched is like one of the blurry, like, you know, like a witness to a mob scene. Yep. And so that's how you know their legit.

A hundred percent. Thank you. I think the same way. That's why I said it to all my friends. But he was telling the story from people that he talked to that were there.

“See, and here's the thing, I want stories like that to be true too.”

I still am just waiting. Same thing with aliens. God, I so deeply wanted to be true. I just need somebody to hold up an actual piece of evidence and say this is what I'm talking about.

Instead of I saw, I know somebody who was read into, I had a buddy who got engaged

Right.

“And until then, I got a real hard time believing that.”

Oh, I'm with you. But I also want to believe, which I know clouds my vision. I didn't think it makes you hopeful. It gets me to a certain point, and then the point, like, there's a point where my logic kicks in, and I'm not willing to go any further, and that's big foot.

Yeah. With big foot, I'm like, I know too many guys that are in the woods all the time. And let's not forget the game cameras, they often leave behind. That's right. Like millions of game cameras.

That's right. But at this point, like I could have bought it in the 1960s, like maybe who knows before drones, before satellites, before this, before that. And, you know, there's good arguments that you wouldn't find the body because, like,

you and I've hunted in the mountains many, many times, I've never seen a mountain line skeleton.

Have you? No? No. I don't know anybody was. I've seen mountain lines.

I've never seen a mountain line skeleton. I've never seen a bear skeleton. I'm sure people found them, but I haven't. And we know there's a shit ton of mountain lines and a shit ton of bears. So if there was a very small population of primates, it's not inconceivable that you wouldn't

find their body, especially if they were in some way advanced to the point where they were burying their dead, which is, you know, it's not outside the realm of possibility if they have a language of like, who knows what these things are. But no, I just, that doesn't, I think it used to be real. And then it was real evidence of that.

I wanted to be. No, there's real evidence. There's a thing called Gigantopithecus, who was a eight foot plus tall bipedal hominid that existed in Asia, and it's in the orangutan family.

And there's like recreations, what it looks like standing next to a human, it's huge.

But that just makes sense. I mean, there used to be giant woolly mammoths, there's to be giant sloths. The idea of a giant primate is not inconceivable. It's like sizes all relative anyway, our idea of what's big compared to what fucking giraffe or this.

It doesn't, you know, if you have enough resources, and there's enough food for these things, they live in a lush tropical environment or a lush wilderness environment, it's not impossible to think that something we get way bigger than a gorilla.

“But for that thing to exist today, yeah, that's what it used to look like.”

So I think that is probably what all these ancient myths are based on. That's probably what used to exist. So it was bipedal, which is also interesting. That's based on its draw structure. So here's a question for you that you, the species bearing themselves.

These are intrusive thoughts that I have and can't get out of my head. Why don't we bury people vertically to save space? That's a good question. Wouldn't you get more square footage more? Yeah.

Be harder to make a six foot tall hole, or, you know, for the tall person I feel like they make oil drills that could, I mean, I'm not saying that. They do now. Yeah. They're easy to, someone's laid down, just roll them over into the hole.

I mean, I will. But because of six foot deep hole, that's like six feet long. John, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying, you today's world, yeah. I think we can evolve.

Well, here's even we're there. You know, you have to embalm people before you cremate em. But why? Exactly. My friend Joey Diaz says it's a racket, because he knew a guy ran a funeral home.

The big and bombing market? Well, it's all a racket. The whole funeral home, things are racket. They know, like, your family member dies. You have to bury your family member.

You're in grief. And then they try to sell you on some fucking fancy cough in. They sell you on this, and sell you on that. But the embalming is, it's mandatory. I did not lose for some places, because I know that some people are trying to do

what they call natural burials. I don't know what the regulations are on. Like, let's find that out. Oh, I'm already looked. There are upright, they call upright burials.

Oh. They do exist.

“In the US, though, or is it some like a Nordic country?”

There's a cemetery that does it already. I was trying to look at more information on it. Probably a bunch of cheapies. One thing I'm already that I can give them. I'm just thinking about like, you probably don't have fences.

So like, maximum square footed utilization. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. Look at the gravity's initial.

A little bit. Keep it in the, I don't know. There's just stubbornities in this shoe. Gravity's not going to be an issue.

First off, once you're in that coffin, nothing good's happening.

Right. Vertically, her horse. How does it, that doesn't make sense. What kind of gravity is it just drop them in the hole? They, I think it definitely be like this, like slide it down in that hole.

I think they're saying the family doesn't like the idea that they're going to be compressed into a small amount in the bottom of the coffin. Like a science issue. Well, they're fucking dead. You know, you know, the most gnarly way they bury people are the most gnarly funeral.

Well, they're still alive. No. Well, they're dead. Well, they're saying that would be the most gnarly. Right.

The most gnarly postmortem is the Tibetan sky funeral. Do you know how they do that? No. They literally break the body up, chop it up into chunks, and the vultures know it.

So the vultures are all hanging around waiting. Well, it is a tradition into bet with least certain people to get rid of their bodies that way. And the idea is that, look, the person's dead. This is a more natural way, you know, and they'll cycle back into the ecosystem, the way

it's supposed to be with all animals. And the only animal that opts out of, like, re-joining with all biological life, because it's supposed to be a biological body deteriorates underground. That feeds the soil, that feeds, you know, whatever animal's feast on its bones. And then it becomes all part of this big, beautiful cycle, and we've got some chemicals

laying around.

We'd like to fill the veins up with and make them completely poisoned so that they never

deteriorate, or they just slowly turn into gelatinous sludge by state. Looks like. Okay.

“So it says burial burial burial, why is that word weird to me right now?”

Burial is regulated by state by state, city county zoning. There's no federal rule that specifies body position horizontal versus vertical. What are the laws in terms of embalming? Meaning or natural burial, simple shroud, no vault, minimal disturbance, is legal in all 50 states, but only in locations that comply with state and local rules.

Green or natural burial from water sources would be a big reason for that. Interesting. So you don't want people to rot. But what about cows? Cows can rot, you know, a dead coyote just rot.

You know, we don't want people to drink them either. I guess, well, it didn't, I was watching this documentary about this family, where the kid, his dad was a serial killer, the dad would throw people in a well, and he had to help him when he was young, his dad would bully, kill people, and throw him down the well.

First time he did, he said, I think he was a young boy when his dad first took him to get

rid of a body and throw it down a well. Not all. How many bonding experiences are created equal?

“How many people have died drinking well water that was polluted by a dead body?”

Hopefully not that meant. Would you find him? I'm just as disgusting. Have you thought through your end of life? Have you told people?

I would like to not be a bomb. I would like to just be buried in the ground and be absorbed naturally, like everything else. Do you have that written down anywhere, though? No. I don't want to.

I'm gone. Figure it out. I don't feel fucked. Well, there's an argument to help figuring it out for those left behind, so it makes it easier.

I don't want to make things easier when I'm gone. I wanted to be complicated as fuck or want them to be arguing over my will. Well, I only ask because we had to think through this stuff because you do a review of your will every time. Yeah.

And you know, final requests, I guess it would be. So you had to think through that. Javi Sapscrone? Yeah. So for direct cremation, no public viewing, cremation within a few days, body kept refrigerated,

and bombing is generally unnecessary and not legally required in most states. But the thing is, it's, it's, it's most of the time it's done, according to my friend Joey, whose friend, at least it was in the past, his friend ran a funeral home. The guy was telling him what a fucking scam it all is. It's just that you're just charging people for all this stuff.

It probably, it's just like anything else. Here it is. Many funeral homes require embalming for presentation and public health reasons.

“If you want a public viewing or an open casket before cremation, oh, who does that?”

Some jurisdictions or airlines, you require embalming for long distance or international transport, or if there's a long delay before cremation, well that makes sense. Because if you don't embalment, you're going to stink up the whole fucking plane.

U.S. law, I mean, I'm sure you've smelled dead bodies before, but the first time I ever

smelled a dead body, I was a little kid, and someone died in our apartment building. It was crazy. You'd walk down the hallway in the fucking smell that was, it was me and my cousins and my sister were walking down the hall. We were like, what is that?

We're probably like six. It was this insane smell, and it turned out this lady was just living by herself died. So she was just rotting in this apartment building. You think you're still recognizing it to this day? A very unique human, a very unique smell, you post a regular animal, the mechanism of death

can change, I guess, a little bit, sure, but in general, yeah, a couple days later, they all kind of smell the same. I've heard, yeah, I've heard humans are uniquely gross in the way we smell. Yeah, yeah, it's not awesome. Yeah, not awesome to be around it.

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Also, here's another scam, according to my friend. When you think you get your family member ashes, you get a bunch of shit, you get a bunch of ashes. You get ashes from some fucking fucking guy, you don't even know, they don't care. Maybe to shove a bunch of ashes into an urn, you look good, it's grandma, she's here

with us forever. But it's not really, it's like, I hope that one's not true. That's nirally. That's like the epitome of laziness. I'm pretty sure it's true.

It's the question as though if the requirement is coming from funeral homes instead of law, that course says you. Most of the time, yes, the requirement to bomb before viewing or before cremation is coming from funeral homes or cemetery policy. Right, so they're trying to make more money, so this is what Joey was telling me about.

Yeah, so it's not a federal requirement. FDC says embalming may be necessary if you choose certain arrangements like a public viewing. But the necessity is based on the funeral home standard, it's not a blanket legal mandate. So the most people probably don't know that, so the funeral home will tell you, oh, we

have to embalm them first. And you're an pretty susceptible and malleable mind space. Exactly. They're just really used to it, they're really used to it, they must get, they must get so accustomed to just, they don't give a fuck, there's bodies there every day,

people are always dying, it's an opportunity to make more money, which is rough.

Yeah, you would like to think that humanity wouldn't be like that, but yet here we are. Yeah.

“If find out if, well, the other thing is like, you remember that Sam Kinnison bit?”

I don't know if you ever saw it. I know who Sam Kinnison is, I'm not very familiar with his bits. One of the greatest of all time, but he had this bit about homosexual necrophiliaics who were caught spending paying a bunch of money to be alone with the freshest male corpse. What?

And it was an actual true story that he read in the news, but his whole thing was like, imagine you're on the slab, you're like, well, I'm dead now, I'm going to be with Jesus and hey, hey, what, it would be like rocking back and forth on a stomach. What is this, it feels like some guy's got his dick in my ass, you mean life keeps

fucking you in the ass, even after you're dead, it never ends, it never ends, oh, oh.

You comedians are a unique bunch, let's, you know, I'm glad there's somebody out there who can weave a story like that together and have a meaningful message at the end of it. But there are, there have been cases of people getting like hot girls that are freshly dead and fucking them getting caught. Because humans are horrible, the vast, I, I tried to tell myself that the vast majority

“of humans are trying to do the best that they can't, but I never forget that there are”

people out there who are like that. Sure. Yeah, there's people out there that are gross. They're just evil. I'm, I was reading about this guy who is an oncologist who got arrested because he

was giving people chemotherapy that didn't really have cancer because chemotherapy is uniquely profitable for doctors. Yeah. It's very profitable. So he was telling people that they had cancer and they did not and he was giving them

chemotherapy, which I have a friend who died recently and he went through the first round of chemotherapy, went into remission and the chemotherapy was so bad that when the cancer came back he decided to just die. Tell my mom that she had survived cervical cancer. It metastasized into her lungs 10 years later, got on the chemo, which I don't know what

But they, you know, the platinum treatment, whatever it may be, and had the realization

that she was either going to die from cancer or she was going to die from the chemotherapy. And she chose hospice just because the ride on the chemotherapy was so horrible that she couldn't take anymore. My friend said the pain of brushing his teeth was so intense, like the sores in his mouth from the chemo and that once cancer went into remission, then it came back and by the way,

this cancer came very quickly after vaccination, who's one of those, where, you know,

“you can get into that all day long if you want to really get into a deep conspiracy theory”

that's got some real facts to it, but there's something called SV-40 and they found SV-40 and some of the MRNA vaccines.

SV-40 is semi-invirus-40 and it's a virus that was contracted, that people got because

they used kidney cells from monkeys in order to cultivate these vaccines. It was like known about for a long time and in certain batches, they've tested positive for SV-40, which is like some just legacy material that they have that they make vaccines out of, and it was one of the lucky ones. It sucks, man.

Yeah, it was a young dude, you know, it was in his 40s, early 40s. Fit, young guy, cancer came on like a fucking title wave. Just a free-trained modem down. How much time did he have between diagnosis?

Well, I got him connected with Gary Brekka and Gary Brekka helped him quite a bit and

“that's how he originally got through it and it got over it.”

He was okay again and you know, went into remission, he said it's feeling pretty good and then, man, wasn't more than a year and a half, two years later, it came back with vengeance. And he was dead, just, you know, six months later. Is it a change how you view life, your own life when it happens close to you? It's just shocking that healthy, fit people get something like that.

And it happens so quickly, you know, this is, you know, like I said, my suspicions is it's connected to the vaccine and don't, I don't think that everybody who got that MRNA vaccine is going to die of cancer, I think it's a contamination issue at some of the batches had it and some of the batches didn't. And then, some people react very differently to whatever, whatever's in it, but with

him and it got him and it's not uncommon. There's a shitload of ignored cases of what they're calling turbo cancer that people have gotten after the MRNA vaccine, like it's, it's barely a conspiracy theory. It's more likely an ignored inconvenient fact that these pharmaceutical drug companies are trying to ignore.

Do you think they were trying, going upstream from that, the pharmaceutical companies or people that were pushing to try to find what perhaps they thought would be the fix to the solution? Do you think that they were doing the best that they could and just their enthusiasm outstrip their capabilities or they pushed stuff a little bit too early or was it as deep of as

a conspiracy that people think and they'd behind the scenes they're trying to reduce overall global population? I don't go that way. I don't go to the reduce overall global population, but I do understand why people would think that because there have been a bunch of people that are supposedly

full-anthropists, Bill Gates, that have talked about reducing overall population, being a goal and that goal could be like Bill Gates was actually quoted saying that that goal

“could be achieved through vaccines, like what the fuck does that mean?”

Reducing global population through vaccines, how? Well, one way is the, what is it, DDP or DTP vaccine, dipteria, something in Procussus? So they were caught in Africa, one of the vaccines that they were using on women in Africa, turned out, it's tetanus, dipteria, tetanus and Procussus had HCG in it, which is an endocrine disruptor.

I don't know what's the exact specific description of it, but what is essentially doing was rendering these women infertile. And so they were supposedly vaccinating them for tetanus and these other diseases, but really what it was doing was they were making these women infertile and they were experimenting on them and they were doing this in Africa, you know, they like to experiment in places

where not a lot of people are watching and there's not a lot of infrastructure and not

So this concept of reducing population through vaccination, there's some real world examples of people doing that, but you know, why I don't know. I don't think that. I think if you find out about how much money was generated during the vaccine pandemic, during the COVID pandemic, that is the most likely scenario.

They were just trying to make an enormous amount of money.

“Do you remember that you and I did the first podcast after the lockdown in LA?”

Yeah. And then I drove with my wife down to San Diego and I don't think she had been because we got to San Diego in about 17 minutes, no one in the road. And I remember saying to her, if we come back, which we will, don't expect this. It was like a ghost town, but we were in LA the day that it walked down.

I remember texting you like, um, are we good? Yeah. Like, yeah.

YouTube says we're essential.

Let's roll. That was essential. Yeah. That was was crazy. There was essential businesses.

There were a lot of stay open restaurants weren't one of them fucking insanely enough. Fast food places were, um, so there was certain places that were essential and media was essential. So we were allowed to. Although we did get read it out, the health department came to our, um, LA studio.

And, uh, they made us put a bag of masks on the wall when you go in and also a note

“that shows like all the precautions that you have to take place, like, stand six feet”

apart. And then people were also complaining that this table's not six feet wide. And so we weren't observing the proper social distancing. So I said, okay, well, why don't we just do this and you do that and we'll do a podcast.

Oh, yeah, we're six feet.

Yeah, we're six feet. No, we're good. Here. It's like it's, and then it turns out that that was all made up. It's all horseshit.

You know, it's the who song. We won't get fooled again, you know? I want to believe that they were trying to do the best that I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I said I want to believe that.

Yeah. I don't even want to believe that. But then what do we do about it? We never listen again. We don't know.

What is their right the next time is, I don't think they will be. Um, I don't think they're ever right with that kind of stuff, especially something that's not killing everybody as they said it was. They were just gaslighting us all over television. The people are dropping like flies.

And especially, a greadiously disgusting is gaslighting us about children dying from it. Yeah. You know, and there's a lot of really fucking shitty human beings that we're posting about this on Twitter and I don't know if they're being paid to do it or if they're just ideologically captured, but there was a lot of people on Twitter talking about children dying from COVID.

It's a fucking dirty lie. There was a very small amount of kids that died during the pandemic. And those kids, all of them, had something wrong with them already. All of them had co-morbidities, which is like also a giant percentage of all the people that died period.

It's like, what is the number? It's like 75% of them, something like that, had four plus comorbidities, four comorbidities is crazy. Yeah. It's like, you're already fucked.

“That means four things that are already killing you, you know?”

Yeah. Do you think we learned anything during that time period? Yeah. I think we learned that the pharmaceutical drug company has a lock on the media that is very disturbing.

Like, the media did not report at all vaccine injuries.

It didn't report on it at all, it was never discussed.

People were dropping dead. They were ignoring it and gaslighting. And then we also found out the amount of money that these pharmaceutical drug companies pay to these corporations, but whether it's Fox or NBC or CBS or whoever it is in advertising. It's a huge part of their budget is advertising money.

And the way Cali means explaining it to me goes, it's not so that people find out about the drugs. It's so that these new stations don't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies. Well, if they control the ad inventory and then the checkbook behind that. Exactly.

Exactly. Do you ever do pharmaceutical type reads for your show? No. No, I say no to them. I only say yes to Dick Pills.

Dick Pills, I'll say yes to it. But like, yeah. Yeah. I'm down with that. We'll see.

I'm not anti-pharmaceutical drug company. But I am, and that the problem with corporations is they have an obligation to their share holders to make the most amount of money possible. And it's not that people that are making these things, that the people that are making them, these doctors and engineers and scientists, all these wizards that are coming up

with all these life-saving medications, then you get the money people. And the money people are the ones that fuck everything up. Because the money people say, you know what, we could charge $1,000 a pill for this stuff. There's certain medications that literally cost $1,000 a pill, you know, and they just try

possible. And then you get monsters like this cancer doctor that I was telling you, that was giving chemo therapy to people that don't fucking have cancer. So how do we break that system though, hammers? Take that guy in the room, take that guy in the room, just keep him alive, slowly break

him down with a hammer, start with his toes. But I feel like you're working up to his hips. I feel like it's so deeply entrenched in our political system as part of it as well, too. That the money transferred, how do you break that? It's hard.

And to attach that. Hey, I got. Hey, I got us to come alive, take over the system. Now we're really getting into it. Terrain.

I don't understand. I know if you were at AI needs, I don't know about it. Hey, I got. The one that created that Jesus meme that Trump just posted, that's AI got. You know, I told you that he was a doctor.

“That's what they call them, that's what AI got calls Jesus.”

Jesus is a doctor. The mental gymnastics involved in some of these people who are so ideologically captured is shocking to me. It's weird. It's weird because there's no way there should be this kind of money in politics.

There's no way it'd be good for anybody if the people with all the money are controlling most of the things that happen. It doesn't make any sense. They're all sick anyway. They just want more.

If you're worth $200 billion and you're still trying to make more money, that's what

you're trying to do at the time. Well, you're sick. There's something wrong with you. There's like, what are you doing with that money? How is it possible that you could spend all that money?

Isn't the answer for some people or the dollar figure that they're shooting for just more? Always. My friend. Oh, you know, Brian Calen.

Brian Calen has a friend who's worth $3 billion and he feels poor because his friend is worth $80 billion. Imagine that. Imagine feeling insecure. You have $3,000 million.

And you feel poor. You feel poor. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's eating ramen at night.

Let me tell you. Yeah.

“Mac and cheese and ramen out of the microwave.”

I feel poor when I'm around Elon, but jokingly, but also everybody on earth probably. Right. But it's jokingly feel poor. Like I don't really feel bad for myself or insecure about the fact that he's got it.

What is he got? It's getting close to a trillion.

It's like worth $800 billion on paper until California taxes get a hold of them.

They'd like to suck all that dry and give it to the homeless people. Well, they're doing good. Their program would work if we gave them a little bit more money. That's all they need. They just need that wealth tax.

If they could just siphon off some money from the billionaires, that's the real problems they don't have enough money. Are you glad you left? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

You've been here what? Six years. Six years? Well, Montana from nine. Nine.

I can't think of a reason that I'm going to leave. Yeah. Really can't. It is amazing. Well, Montana's got so much going on for it.

First of all, there's less people which is relaxing. You feel better. 1.1 million people in the state. That's all of Austin. That's probably a subdivision in Austin.

Well, it's Austin is a million and then the surrounding area is another million.

We just had a furt, a net decrease in population in Montana last year. Yeah, because all those fucking people that came over because of Yellowstone, they went through a couple of winters. And COVID, they're like, yeah, this sucks. We're out.

Or that remote work job is like, hey, time to come back to the old office. Also, you try driving an electric car when it's fucking 30 below zero outside. That bitch is, oh, it says you've got 200 miles. Yeah. Guess what?

You've got 30. There is one type of truck where I live. You got a lot. It's not mine. I bet it's a rich guy.

He owns a typhoon restaurant. There you go. Which I mean, I don't know what level of wealth is associated with that. Probably got some money. Yeah.

But honestly, it might be money laundering. It was what he specializes in it. It's hard to say. It might have a nail salon or two under his umbrella as well. They're all great when it's warm out.

Yeah.

“But the battery life significantly, do you remember, I think it was Chicago or Detroit?”

There was a few years back. It was a giant blizzard that hit and people with electric cars that cars died on the highway. And they were really lost. Yeah, really fucked because if you have full tank of gas in your idling, just idling on the highway, it's a pretty long time, especially if it's diesel, jeez.

Oh, you'll get 24 hours out of it. 100% of it. Yeah. So you'll survive. If you have a fucking electric car and you get stuck on the highway and it's just bumper

to bumper forever, and that thing is the only thing keeping you warm, you better pray that someone lets you in their car. Yeah. Because you're going to die out there. You'll freeze to death in your own fucking car.

I like the concept, Evan. You know? I drove one today. It's a time machine. I have a Tesla Model S. The, the highly, don't you have like a highly modified one.

Oh, yeah. I was going to say it might say Model S on the outside. Yeah. Well, the speed is the same as the standard one. The speed is exactly the same because they don't do anything to the engine.

Yeah. Because it already has 1100 horsepower.

Yes.

“The track is widened. It's got a much more robust suspension set up.”

It's got carbon fiber fenders.

It's a company called unplug performance and they take it and they just, it just handles phenomenally and the brakes are way better. So it does that. But the thing about it is the speed that's just insane. Like when you merge onto a highway, it's a time machine.

You just hit the gas like shh. And it's no sound. So it's, and also you're going 90 miles an hour. Like that. It's nuts.

We're in the different things, Joe. I'm going to stick with my iPhone 50. I like those two. I have one of those. I have a Raptor.

I have a Hennessy Raptor. I don't have that model. Yeah. So I like a Raptor, but I like what with a thousand horsepower. First off, who doesn't?

I just don't like the price tag associated with a thousand horsepower.

Yeah. It's a little pricey. Yeah. But I was on the phone the other day because you know, it's got the speaker phone thing. So I'm on the phone my friend Tommy and I'm driving and he goes, "Yo, what the fuck are

you driving?" A dinosaur. You can hear them. Yeah. And the supercharger line.

It's awesome. But I get it, a lot of time for everybody. But if you drive one, just the ability of those things, just the insane capability, the ability to go 0 to 16 under two seconds is just nuts. Yeah.

For a four door sedan. How to drive, though, some people probably are better off not getting into a car. They can do that. Well, that's what's weird, right?

“So like if you want, like say if you want to get a concealed carry license, you have”

to go to a range and you have to demonstrate that you know how to use a gun correctly.

Are you talking about hearing Texas? Yeah. And Texas Montana is a constitutional carry. What's constitutional carry here as well, but still concealed carry, you get reciprocity. So if you have concealed carry, you get reciprocity and florida and Nevada.

So if you get a concealed carry license and Texas, you can go to places where, you know, their own, maybe they don't even have concealed. They don't have constitutional carry, but they recognize Texas concealed carry. Because of the additional training person or exact. But the point is, like, you have to show that you know how to use it.

You can go buy a Corvette, and you don't have to show anything. Which is crazy. Well, you have to show a likelihood that you're able to pay for it. That's it. That's it.

Yeah. So you can get like a Corvette ZR-1, which is also 1100 horsepower and fucking bonkers, a bonkers fast and insanely engineered car. You don't have to show that you know to drive it all. You just have to drive or slice in.

So you can drive it down. Right under the nearest telephone bill. Yeah. Sideways. I mean, there's plenty of plenty of videos of that.

A friend of my friend Whitney sent me a video of a street takeover in Los Angeles this Saturday night, where they took over some street and gunshots and people just they stuck. They cut off the entire street, so no one can go anywhere. People surround these cars and the cars drive around in circles and then someone started

shooting it. People. Awesome. What a classic pairing. Yeah.

Bit of times. It's good to have rules. Yeah. I don't want to, you know, exactly.

“You have to have an enormous amount of people in order for things to get that chaotic with”

a very small percentage of humans. Where their cops there for that are they just didn't want to get in the mix. They didn't show up until after, you know, the cops showed up when people start shooting. Yeah. That's generally when they're going to respond and they're getting security cameras.

But the thing is, Los Angeles, they don't fucking put you in jail for anything. They let you write out. There's no cash bail. They're letting people out for all kinds of crimes. Yeah.

I was listening to a podcast where I was a former gang member and he was saying he's leaving Los Angeles because they're letting 70,000 people out of prison. It's like it's going to get too dangerous. So it's too dangerous for the gang member. There's the answers to some tests right there.

Maybe pay attention. Yeah. You got to wonder, like, what are they trying to do with California, where everything seems to go in the wrong direction? Like, if you look at the vaccine thing, like, do you think they're really trying to lower

population, is that what they're trying to do, like, kill off a person, what are they trying to do with California? Are they really trying to destroy this state? Because if I was trying to destroy a state, that's how I would do it. I let everybody out of jail.

I regulate the fuck out of everything so nothing can get done. You know, you can't buy these in California. Why? These are Alps. Yeah.

Because it's a labor. This is winter green. Shout out to Tucker Carlson. This is his brand. I like these.

These are very delicious. By the way, I show these to Daniel Corneregos. Where'd you get those? And I go in Texas, you could buy them because you know you can't buy them in California. And he goes, I get them and I bring them around all these dads, like, I'm a dealer.

Like, where'd you get that? Because they won't let you have flavored nicotine pouches.

It's very safety.

“They're trying to turn you into just a little baby that needs everything from the”

government. Everything. Everything. We were at that launch party. How I got an invitation to be there.

So we go to Tennessee. Tucker stands on a chair and talks about Alps. You know, I was still not a chair. Yeah, because it was just like it was in Dave Ramsey's barn. And again, like, I'm so far not in the social circle of this.

And so we listen. He should have sat on someone's shoulders. That would be even better. He's pretty big. So you didn't need to, somebody who, like, has squatted once or twice in a life.

So we listen to him talk and they had a little, like, on the other room is a huge fireplace with just this, like, a shark cutary table about this size. So I'm getting some cheese and then I turn around and like, hello Mel Gibson and I just fucking went and sat in the corner. I was so uncomfortable in that environment.

Because Mel was there. Mel, there was a lot of people there.

“I just, you know, you sat down and talk with him.”

You exist in a different orbit than I do. I exist in an orbit of 1.1 million total people that I don't see every day in the state. In the state. So like, I interact with the people I want to. I was not prepared to have a cheese stick and turn around and see the dude from lethal

weapon standing there and like, hi, I got to get out of here. By the way, if you talk to him, he's, he is one of the most normal, easy to talk to. And we will be stars you will ever meet. Yeah. He has no errors about him.

He's very easy to talk to. I just don't do good in social situations like that where like, everybody was relatively recognizable. I just got a sit in the corner and I hang out with my wife and we eat shark cutary. I get it.

I get it. I don't like those things. Well, I have, I have been, do you remember the event you did at performance or a tree in San Diego? Oh yeah.

Yeah. I didn't realize, I watched you trying to make your way to the bathroom. And it took you about 30 minutes to go 20 feet. And I don't know how you deal with that. I don't, that's, I mean, one, I know you will enough outside of that, like you're a genuinely

“a nice person and you will give people the time like because you're appreciative, right?”

Of the fact that they want to meet you like I totally get that. But also sometimes you have to piss. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how any of those people or maybe you don't operate, like in a sense in the air quotes of normalcy.

It's not normal, but the way I think of it is like, they just like me. It's way better than if they hated me. Way better than if you go into the bathroom and everybody wants to kick your ass. Like, I'm going to the bathroom, they just want to say hi. And for them, it's a very unique moment.

So I try to reset every time I see a new person. And I try to treat them as if it's like, this is a complete, this is for them.

So unique experience, they get to me and never believe that I am unique, you know, don't

believe the hype and don't think you are special, but always appreciate the fact that someone else does. And so take the time to say hi and I can't, the UFC's are hard because I can't. Like sometimes I'm going through the crowd and I have to like sometimes I leave my commentary seat and then I have to take a piss and then I have to run back and then everybody's trying

to get a picture while you're, you know, like you literally going through a crowd of people in between. Yeah. Yeah. And so I got my high five people, but they're like, I can't, I can't, I can't stop because

if I stop then they'll all swarm and I, I can't do that. I have to keep moving. So I, that bothers me that I have to say I can't stop even when I'm leaving the venue. They're like, I can't, I can't, I can't, I have to keep moving. I'm sorry.

I appreciate you, but I can't stop because if I stop I'll never get out of here. I've been to one of those and we were at UFC 300. That was a good one. Your seat was good. You had a good seat.

I watched the fight from the back of a projection onto one of the things up in one of the, that you didn't get tickets for me.

I'm never going to ask you for tickets, but I was just fucking let me know when you

want to go. Well, no, actually, I don't want to go because I missed listening to you guys talk. Yeah. I didn't realize. So we were sitting there and like, I heard Gachi get flat line before we saw it.

I'm not like, holy cow, you want to talk about not let the punch, but the reaction to that. Right. Oh my God. Insane.

And we were there with like Joko and Origin and there were had some people that were down there, a little bit. But we ended up Lee and I ended up watching from like the backs of we got to see it. But we both said the same thing. It's way better on the couch or I want to pair headsets like this so I can, yes.

Because now, like, maybe on us before I started training Gitsu, I was like, you fucking stand above right now. Those guys are just, those will be now as a Gitsu Black belt. Aren't you embarrassed?

Never, like, you know, let that guy earn that position.

You don't ever get them off the cage and you never get them off the ground. I, I'm with you. I, I've been preaching that from the beginning of the fuck.

in it.

Look, I'm strained up because it's like, and that I'm like, no, no, never.

Especially when they're sweaty, I think it's dominating him. You stay right there. Exactly. It's so hard to get someone to the ground and it's so hard to hold him down if they're good.

Experience though, from not good. I am going to say this. Yeah. I would rather pay for the paramount than listen, or for the paper view than the current paramount experience.

Sorry, Dana, but the commercial suck. Yeah. I'm not a fan of commercials. That's why I like YouTube premium. I don't want commercials.

Yeah. I'll pay for the paper view.

“They should offer paramount premium like where you get no commercials, like you should”

get a different experience for you. There's been some streaming issues as well, too. And I think that, and I know, though, yet there's, well, it could also be. Yeah. Montana Internet.

Listen, we have electricity. We have running water. We have actually seen solar panels up in Montana. They don't work great for nine months out of the year, but do you get the star link? Yeah.

That's the shit. I was actually one of the first people to get it in Montana and it works fantastic. I have the little one that's like a book. Yeah. It's amazing.

It's fucking great. You take it. I took it to Utah. We were streaming like stuff while we're in the cabins. It was awesome.

Kind of life changing. Oh, it's great. I mean, I mean, it's time with people. But then other times, like, I'm going to leave that in truck, because otherwise, maybe I'm just going to enjoy where that's true.

But the thing about elk hunting is you're so tired by the end of the day that you're not going to sit there looking at your phone anyway. But it's nice to be able to face time home and say hi to people. But I do like the fact that when you're out there in the woods, it doesn't work at all. Yeah.

Yeah. Because God I hate hunting sometimes, like last year, do you strike out last year? Oh, no. Even worse. Wounded in elk.

Oh, no. I think I'd actually. Oh, yeah, it's with a rifle. Yeah. Well, I tell people that I am the Navy sales sniper with the most confirmed misses.

Because I can just smash that trigger back. Close your eyes. Hold your breath. Let it gray out a little bit and then really just jerk it. Oh, that's the worst feeling.

When you know you could have done it so much better if you just had taken a little bit more time. But it'd have been hard for me to do it worse, Joe, if I'm paying for this time. People, how could you possibly miss? Because I'm an idiot sometimes and I'm just God.

As I was pulling on the trigger, I was watching it just drift back towards the beginning of the guts.

Instead of just stopping, just gave a little bit more and then never saw the thing.

Look for it for two and a half days. Is there a worse feeling in the world than wounding an animal?

“There's not, and it's also like a miss like that, you have to wait a year to get another”

chance. You have a whole another year to sit about and think about that miss before you get back to hunting again. This year I think I might be able to go back to our tree because although they call jujitsu the gentle Lord, I get banged up sometimes.

Oh, bro. I was rifle hunting that year. I was training with a 15 year old young man at the end of a day of training with some savage black belts. Totally, you know, how when you say when you first start like, "Hey, you need to relax."

Well, I also found that you can relax too much. I was laying on my side, letting work out at Armbar, got to hold in my arm. I was going to work on an escape and as my arm was coming up over my head, I heard my shoulder cavitate. It was like an end of course on my drawing arm for my boat and we were a couple months

away from hunting season. It was a go partial tear of the pack, completely black and blue and it was the gentle art. There's nothing gentle about jujitsu. Yeah.

It's ridiculous to call it that. I don't know who what psychopath called it the gentle art. I've been hurt more time. Everybody I know that's then jujitsu as long as I have has either artificial disks near back and neck or has had multiple knee surgeries.

That's me. I've had three or has had torn shoulders where they had to get reconstructed or blown out elbows. Are you still trained? No.

I haven't been a while. I want to though. I did a little bit of training about a year ago with Gabe Tuddle and I was getting back into it but I still struggle with this one knee. I have one knee that keeps fucking up on me man.

For you it would be very hard to find the appropriate training partner. Yes.

You're never going to a group class again and getting in there at OpenMAT.

People would come for your head because they're assholes. Yeah. But I always did. That's what I always did. I always trained and I didn't just like only trained with like one guy that like stuck

with all the time.

“I always went to classes because I think that's the only way to really be good.”

I don't think there's a real way to train with one person that's like taking it easy on you and really achieve a high level. I think you have to go in there with people that are going to tap you and you have to go in there with people that are trying to tap you. You know, if you're good and if you're strong, you could avoid a lot of shit.

and is a bill or a superhero. It's a pose that is speed that your joints and ligaments can't move at. I can't keep up. You're on my back. I can't keep up with this.

And if I do keep up, I'm going to blow something out. Since I founded it 41, I don't think we should teach it to anybody under 30. Is it deeply offends me when children come out of the children's class and they have been training like six times longer than I am like, what, like they're movement patterns were developed on the mat.

I'm like, we're not known. We're using the same alphabet, we are not putting together the same words. Why knew that from striking? Because I knew that from kicking. I was like, I started martial arts before my body had matured and my body matured becoming

very flexible and very fast. So as I got thicker, I maintained that speed and everything, but I was like, I don't know if you could ever get as good as I got, if you didn't start when I started. I don't know if it's possible. And I didn't start your jutsu until I was 30.

“And when I started doing jutsu, I remember thinking, God, I wish I did this when I was a kid.”

Because I see some kids where the fucking scramble's and their transitions built into their neurons, where they're just like everything is so fast and so kinetic and they're just moving and flowing, like, fuck, I could have started in like 97. But the few people who were doing were so enthusiastic and nodding just nauseated, like it's like veganism.

Yeah. Like they tell you, make you want to eat me. Come roll with us. I'm like, I don't know what you guys are doing. It's very questionably gay at best from the outside.

I don't like how much you like it because you like it that much, I'm out. And then I look back. I'm like, oh. I started in 96, yeah, not me. I guess I thought, yeah, it was 95 or 96.

It was right after UFC 2 came out on video. So UFC 2 was 93 was a UFC, I found out about UFC in, like, I didn't find out about it in 93. I found out about a year later and it wasn't available, not UFC 1 was not available on VHS.

I had to get UFC 2. And I found out about it from somebody at the kickboxing gym that I was going to.

“He was like, you got to see this and I was like, what is this?”

I'm like, oh my God, they did it.

Because there was always this thing when I was a martial artist, when I was young, like,

what's better? Judo, karate, and no one knew. And then there was, like, the John Cod Bandam, Kumite movies, where you're meeting all the styles come together and you'll find out what's best. But when I first saw UFC 2, I was like, oh my God, they did it.

And then I was like, oh my God, I don't know that. It's one guy's killing everybody. There was a lot of people that were saying that in those Junior Junior ones. Yeah. So then what number UFC did you first commentate at?

UFC 12. Damn, dude. That's a pretty quick. Well, they probably were doing less frequently as well, but that's a pretty quick flash to bang.

Yeah. We're seeing it on a VHS. That was 97. So by 97, I guess I was 30. Yeah.

“I guess I was 30 somewhere around there.”

So that was the first UFC that I was already training at that time. I was training at Carlson Gracies with Vito or Belfer.

Vito or Belfer was there, Marilla Busta Monte was there, like it was amazing, just stumbled

upon that place. I actually went to Hickson's first, but I was so ignorant. I thought Carlson Gracie Hickson Gracie, I thought it was the same. And Hickson was further away, and Carlson's was closer. I was like, oh, I found a closer Gracie jujitsu I'll go here.

And then it was also at the time where extreme fighting was out, which was John Perretti, who was one of the commentators for the early UFC, was now doing this. And it was really good, like Mario Sparry was fighting, Igor's Anovia. And these guys, a lot of these guys were from Carlson Gracies. So I saw the Carlson Gracie, the two Bulldog logos, which was fucking dope.

And then I found out that it was on Hawthorne Street in LA, which was like really close to the comedy store. I was like, oh, this is perfect. 'Cause I was living in North Hollywood. I was just driving there.

It was much closer. Yeah. It was much closer. But I just, I got there at literally the perfect time, because it was right before Vitor was making his UFC debut, which was UFC 12, which I commentated at.

So I was literally training at the same school as Vitor, so I knew what to expect. I'm like, these guys don't know what the fuck this guy's doing. Like this is, because everybody thought he was just Jitsu guy. Yeah. But lightning hands, and, you know, it was a slimmer Vitor, he was only like 200 pounds

back then. I just moved like a fucking panther. And I got to see this sport just sort of emerging, where really it was becoming something completely different.

Like at first, it was just a bunch of people that didn't know anything, and, you know,

there was, or they didn't know anything about mixed martial arts. They either know judo or the no karate, and then there was hoists.

way. And I went to Carlson's. I was like, Jitsu's kind of the way, but look at this guy, like, you got to take that guy to the ground, and that guy's pans are like a fucking professional boxers. This is crazy.

Yeah. Jitsu is awesome. It's not complete. No. You can have a nice blank belt and end up in an ambulance if you can't get through

a striking range. Well, not only that. There's a lot of guys that were really reliant upon the key back then, unfortunately.

“Because this is all you got to realize this is all before Abu Dhabi, right?”

So this is before Abu Dhabi combat club came out, which was an amazing organization that paid real money to grapplers to compete, but made them compete without a geek, which was like, for a lot of guys, they didn't know what to do. They're so used to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars and grabbing pants, and the one guy who had figured it out was my eventual instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, because Jean-Jacques

was born with essentially one hand. His left hand is just a thumb. He just says a thumb. He's a birth defect, and because of that, his game was all overhooks and underhooks and gable grips, which was he wasn't relying on collars and all this other stuff. So his game was very different.

He just dominated Abu Dhabi, and that opened up the door to Eddie Bravo. So Eddie Bravo, he learned a lot of his techniques from Jean-Jacques. Well, and a lot of his style was based around Jean-Jacques' principles, which is, don't

rely on the geek, because you don't always have the geek.

It's a good tool to use if you have it. If you're finding a guy who's got a winner code on, it's awesome. Like, the last thing you want to do is fight a judo guy if you're wearing a winter coat. So not optimal for how your head's going to feel when he hits the concrete. And you ain't going to be able to do shit to stop that.

I asked you really on. I think we had linked up when I was actually it was right at the beginning of COVID, I was a white belt.

“And I asked you how you train and manage grip stuff.”

And you gave me a piece of advice that I still have, I still utilize and you said, whether you have a gear on or don't have a gear on, just focus on taking no geek grips. That's what son of a bitch. Yeah. That's what I always did.

Yeah. The only geek technique that I really love is the clock choke. You know, when you get a deep grip on the collar and you funnel that left arm underneath and spin all my god, that's instant death. That clock choke is so nasty.

That's the cross collar. That's great too. It's available for more areas. Oh, for sure. Pop that head right off.

Just cross collar's nasty. There's a lot of great great geek techniques that are super effective if someone's wearing clothes. I mean, you'd be amazed at how durable t-shirts are. You know, you could really choke the fuck out of someone with a t-shirt.

The hender has a video where he'll get the first hand in. He's got him in close guard. He reaches over and he grabs the bottom of the shirt, pulls it all the way up, and then wraps that around. Yeah.

I just got to feel like a grunt. Yeah. Just horrible. Yeah. Horrible.

Especially if they're wearing like a strong shirt, like a flannel shirt or something like that, something really grab. Yeah. But that was John Jock's style. His style was used no geek grips, even with the ghee.

So for me, it made me concentrate more on defense because you couldn't pull out of things

as easily, but I never felt lost going into no ghee.

So I would go back and forth all the time. So, you know, I got my black belt from Eddie first, but I got my black belt from John Jock right after that, because I was training at both places. That was also a beautiful thing about Eddie being John Jock student, and then having a very close relationship.

It never felt like you were a trader that you left schools, because I never really left schools. I trained at both places. I always trained at John Jock's, and I always trained at Eddie's. You weren't a crayon. Yeah.

Was that what they call it? Yeah. So it was very nice that they had that amazing relationship where there was no static at all. It was like I would go to see John Jock, but go train there a couple of days a week. At Eddie's a couple of days a week.

It was awesome. Yeah. If I had a time machine, if my younger self would listen to me, which I don't think I would, I would say two things. One by Bitcoin, obviously.

Two, maybe get into you a little bit earlier. Yeah.

“But I think you, what you did, was pretty impressive, because you got through it very”

quickly.

Like I remember you first started training, and you got a black belt in like what four years,

five years, five and a half. That's amazing. That's quick. Well, I think it depends on how you view the time. So I think the standard 10 year window is usually somebody trains about an hour a day or

two hours a day twice a week. I had the ability where I was living. I could train 10 times a week, so long as I want you right. So the math still math's at the end of the day. Right, but that's still very hard on the body at 40 years old.

It's very hard on the body. Vitamin I, also known as ibuprofen, comes into the training model.

Yeah, but it makes you feel better. Yeah, it's so bad for you though. Also, I figured cut. I will say this. One thing about my previous job is it teaches you how to learn.

It rewards your ability to be coachable and people ask me, you know, how can you be a good student? Just in general, like, listen, how about this? Do what your instructor says and nothing more. Right.

If they say, put your hand here and you ask them, do you mean always put it there?

And they say, yes, just put your hand there. Yeah.

“If you want to, and people, there's the internet's an amazing thing, right?”

And there's a bunch of ability to go out and look for techniques and stuff, but I can't think of anything more disrespectful to a coach to be told something. And then you are offering them something that you saw on Instagram while they're trying to teach you. Like that's how that relationship is going to end up breaking.

If you really want to accelerate your learning, and honor your coach, actually, focus on what they are trying to tell you to do, do only that and no more until you have that master. And then you can move on top of that. Absolutely.

That's great advice. Yeah, you have to just listen. You have to listen and never question. And then if you, unless you have a bad coach, then just get a good coach. That's the solution to that.

Which in this era, you have choices. The earlier you were starting in, there weren't as many choices. Right. Yeah. Well, I realized that when I went to John Jocs place, there's levels in teaching, and obviously

Hicks and schools, very high level, and Carlson's was too, but Carlson's went under pretty quickly. They weren't around that long. But then when I went to John Jocs, I was like, okay, this is a completely different level.

Like, John Joc is so detailed oriented.

I was also very lucky that I started doing Taekwondo when I was a child, so that I always

listened. You know, and the traditional martial arts environment, there's no room for questioning. They don't allow any questions. And I was also very lucky that the school that I started that was one of the best schools in the world.

I just got lucky. I found this Jayhun Taekwondo, Jayhun Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston, just happened to have multiple national champions, like really elite competitors, and so I never questioned. I always did there, and I never did anything half-assed. I always did it exactly.

“That's how you develop the right technique.”

Yeah. You have to. Well, tell you, accelerate learning too. I mean, okay, because again, people ask me about my old job, like, well, how do you, how do you guys do all this stuff that you do?

Well, you've learned a piece of the time, and honestly, it's the mastery of fundamentals. Like that, I think what I determined the most when my coach gave me my black belt was that I don't know a goddamn thing about you, Jitsu. And I can't keep up with all the flashy sporty stuff, but the better fundamentals get, the better you can tolerate a lot of that stuff.

It's just that the master's fundamentals is just so essential.

Well, some of the elite guys of all time, never did any of the flashy stuff, like Hickson. Hickson was just the fundamentals honed to a razor sharp edge. You don't see Hickson doing some stuff. You're like, oh, I've never seen that before. It's all triangles, arm bars, renegade choke, and just done to perfection.

Yeah. Done in a way that black belts can't stop it. No, I've heard stories of him lining black belts up, telling them what he is going to catch them with. Yep.

And then having like 10 of them watch him catch everybody before them with the same thing. And then having absolutely no ability to stop it. Yep. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Well, that's Gordon Ryan, too. Ryan, one of the things that Gordon did, I was there when he did it, one of the times he did it. He did it multiple times. He would write down on a piece of paper how he was going to submit his opponent and

sealed it in an envelope and before the match started, he would walk over the commentators and say, open this one, it's over. And then, you know, you would see him catch somebody in a triangle and then he would open up the envelope and show the triangle. And he had multiple opportunities to catch someone in different things.

He's like, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I could do that, too, but it would be what I'm going to get caught with. Here's the most likely thing that I'm going to mess up in your comment. But that's the thing about starting when you're 40 versus starting when you're 12 or whatever it is.

It's like you're only going, you're only going to be able to get to a certain height. You know, well, also I recognize them in a aggressive hobbyist. I have competed twice only because my wife was coaching it. Turned him in and I was like, well, go spend time with you. So here we are.

“I think once when I was a white belt and once when I was a purple belt, like that's it.”

I don't care about the competition. Shockingly enough, I'm not looking to have a violent confrontation with anyone ever, totally, totally have filled my cup up with that one. Probably has spilled over a little bit from time to time, like I just do it because I really liked the community.

I liked the fact that you can't master it. So you can keep your brain young with your body young as young as possible. And yeah, it's just fun. It's really, it's so addictive, which is, to me, was a problem with injuries, was that I would always find I'd go, I'll work around it and I'd just go in with injuries.

And then they get aggravated to the point where, you know, I remember one time my fingers

I'm like, okay, I gotta do something.

Was this from you had an arm checking people? It was a lot of that. Yep. I remember you telling me your affinity. I've really got to just drive your head easier than neck.

It's an also not tapping, not tapping to certain neck cranks and different things that fuck your neck up. neck cranks are very real. Yeah. I also didn't work my neck enough back then.

I didn't have an iron neck at that machine. Do you still use that thing? Oh, yeah. I fucking love that thing.

“Is it, if I were to back and turn or all this stuff?”

Yeah. So it's a halo. I guess you pump it up like the Reebok pump and then the chin strap, you tighten that bitch down and you can adjust the tension that's required to spin it and it has this giant bungee cord on it.

So the bungee cord is like 50 pounds of resistance so you back up with the bungee cord so it's like fully torn and then you go like this. I swear by that thing. All right. It keeps your neck strong as fuck and I don't have any neck problems anymore.

And I had a lot of fucking neck problems. So the thing that saved me though was Regenicine, which is like this PRP, platelet-rich plasma to the next level, this treatment that a lot of guys were having to go to Germany to get in the early days. They would go like, I remember Kobe Bryant went to Germany.

I think Peyton Manning went a bunch of guys had to go to Germany to get this treatment and it's like they take your blood and through some process, I forget exactly how they do it and it makes this fluid that is like this radically inflammation fighting fluid. And they injected it into my neck and it cured my bulging discs and all my numbness went away and I got to start training again once I got back but again I didn't have

a fucking iron neck back then. If I had that machine back then I think I could have avoided a lot of the problems. Like a lot of the problems that people have with lower backs, I firmly believe it's a lack of building tissue and strength and mobility around your lower back. And I do a lot of lower back exercises too.

I do a lot of rotation exercises and a lot of like reverse hypers, like that machine, that machine's awesome. Oh, that's that I did that today. That fucking keeps your back so strong and healthy and it decompresses at the same time that it strengthens.

And you know, so many guys just go into the class, that's their workout, they're only

workout is training and those guys are always hurt.

They're always getting hurt.

“I think strength training and mobility training is essential if you want to have longevity”

in you. So I really think that. I would agree. Yeah, for the first couple of years it was a workout in and of itself and I finally have started.

I think I've done with barbells just because I've never seen a linear object equally loaded in real life outside of a gym. So there's some things with barbells though like Olympic style stuff like cleans. They're very beneficial too. You can searchers though, searches are only available with the barbell.

I think searches are very, very important. I think that's a big one. I'm willing to check. Jefferson squads. There's a bunch of different things, but the searchers in particular are really good

for grappling. You know, because you've got that barbell that you're holding inside the crook of your elbow, can you use the sandbag? You could. Yeah, be definitely good.

Yeah. I love Goblet squads. Yeah. Goblet squads are phenomenal. Yeah.

That's where you look for. Especially on a slant board. You know, when you're holding like a 90 pound kettlebell and you're doing those deep squads where it's knees over toes on a slant board and you're your whole course just to activate what you're going to hurt.

“I mean, that's phenomenal for just strength and stability that I agree, I think kettlebells”

are the best. I think it's the best also because there's so many different things you can do. You can do with them in terms of there's rotational exercises I do where I like pick it down on this side and I swing and clean it and press it on that side and let it swing down and I do those things where you lie on your back with your butt with your legs up

in the air and you do those twists where you take the kettlebell and you get each side. You can absolutely demolish yourself with a single kettlebell. Yeah. It's just kind of awesome. Especially where I live too traveling with the truck like, okay, yeah.

One of these bad boys in there, 100% all the excuses are going. I had a bowling bag that I would carry a 50 pound kettlebell with me on the road. I was just put it in a bowling bag because it fits in a bowling ball bag. All right. People are going to look at you a little awkwardly, but I'm here for it.

But if you have a 50 pound weight limit, if you check in luggage, like they go, whatever works for you. Yeah. I appreciate the enthusiasm for working out on the road.

Back then, the thing was, you'd never find them in a gym and now they're in most

chances. It's tough not to find them down in a gym, yeah. Hotel gym is like, why do you have a 1.5 kilo kettlebell, like is this, it's for children,

A little micro ones, like some people like to pretend they're working out. Sometimes that's me just go through the motions. Yeah. They're good for risks to risk curls, you know, you take a kettlebell and you, like, reverse it or you have it this way and you do these.

Like, put your forearms on a bench and you hold the handle in your hands and you just let your wrist curls, like, because it puts you in this, like, weird angle, they really strengthens your forearms and your wrists. There's so many things you can do with those things, that things that aren't sexy, like Turkish get-ups, phenomenal for you, so good for stability and core, just overall body control.

Yeah. I need it now, crouching towards 50, still enjoying jujitsu. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you definitely need something?

“Do you need some, are you taking any peptides or any of that stuff?”

I played around the peptides, finally two years ago, I got my endocrine system checked. My hormones check. Who, man? That was a nice little, it was like a little gauge that had red zone, yellow, green. Upon first looking at this chart, I assumed that my life was going to end, and about 36

hours. What was your number? Oh, fuck. There's two, something, oh, Jesus.

I had never had it checked.

That's crazy. I didn't feel awesome, but I also, there are people who played around with an immense amount of performance enhancing materials in my previous job, which live your life, however, you want to, just understand maybe the long-term tail and the consequences of the choice you want to make.

Right. I wanted to avoid that for as long as possible, because as you know, once she kind of go on that train, it's a life-long journey. Yeah. Finally, you saw that piece of paper and like, oh boy, I'd say that you could attribute

that to the volume of your training. That's also part of the problem is if you're training 10 times a week, you're probably in a constant state of overtraining. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah, that probably for the vast majority of my life that's been the state that I operated in.

If I'd be an honest, I mean, the answer was always just more.

“Like, if you want to get better, do more.”

You want to be stronger, go harder, go harder, and do more. I'm like, okay. Talk to me about it. So, I've been, I started taking a TRT about two years ago. I am just now finally slowly dialing it into where I feel a difference recovery is better.

But also, I mean, I try to set realistic expectations for who I am and what I'm trying to do. Like, I'm just, I want to have the healthiest lifespan that I can. Yes. I'd rather live to 80 and be doing awesome stuff to 80 than lived to 90 and spend the

less 10 years eating jello in a nursing home. Right. So, that's what I'm going for. You could do, as long as you're smart with your training and you don't get catastrophic injuries, you could be very physically fit, deep, deep into your 60s and 70s.

That's the goal. That's the goal. And that's, I mean, I don't know. Nobody knows how much time we have, you know, and how long your lap is going to be. My goal is just to fill it up with awesome experiences between here and whenever that is.

Here, here, to stand up, fucking splines, girls who, you know, Cam just said the same thing to me. People keep saying that I'll look at it, fucking thing back on just to piss you guys off.

It's kind of amazing that you're still here.

That's you. He's done that so many times. I mean, you broke the world record at one point in time. I did. Yes.

My egg. That was. How many miles was that? Did you flu? It's like 18.2 something like that.

With a flying squirrel suit. To me, it was very reasonable.

“You know, the things that I do that I think a reasonable, often times in my life, people will”

pull me excited and be like, "Hey, man, what the fuck?" Yeah. That doesn't seem at all reasonable. Well, you're only seeing that one video. I had been skydiving for like 16 years at that point, you know?

And, you know, something like when I would go over to, I remember I'd go over to Switzerland and I would do a flight in the wingsuit and get, you know, you're like your plan tag with your shadow on a steep cliff and I would send it to you and one day you were like, "I just had to throw my phone across the room watching this because it was giving you anxiety."

So then, I'm like, clearly, I'm sending you more of these videos for sure, right? 'Cause now I got the looking, I threw my phone into a couch or like, "Flock this! What are you doing Andy?" But that was like one of many jumps in this, like, the months of training leading up to that, I'm not going to sit here and say, "It's safe."

I do think you can do it as safely as possible and I don't have a higher risk threshold than other people do. I spend an immense amount of time at everything that I do, looking at the risk and trying to manage it, analyze it, mitigate it as much as possible, and then you look at what's left. To me, that activity provided me enough enrichment in my life that it was worth it.

I haven't put the suit on in five or six years, but I swear, God, if I get one more person and tell me not to do it, I'm going to go back and just start sending you videos again. All right, well, I promise I won't be that guy who tells you that. Now, honestly, at this point, again, talking about risk is not worth it. I don't live in a place where I can stay because your currency and that suit comes from

the sky-diving world where you can jump at multiple times a day.

You're just camera one camera two at about a buck twenty. Face first. So yeah. If you miss judge a tree or a cliff on his buck, though, while it's happening, why don't

know how to describe what it feels like doing 120 miles an hour, face first, a few feet off

the ground.

“Probably like that this, what does it in the Olympics?”

How close to get off the ground? What's the closest? Probably not intentionally. The closest was probably somewhere right around the three foot range, 120 miles an hour. So three foot is like one, two, like that.

Yep. Jesus, dude. Yeah. That's insane. You don't do that for very long and there are, and if you do like some of those jumps

in Switzerland, like you would hike for hours, and there's this one jump, it's actually one of the ones I set you from, you just, it's insane. You're just looking out into like this picture story book of like where the Kabul giant or whatever he was with live, right? You just can't harm.

Can't harm. Which I think it's real. I hope it is real. I deeply, it's such a deep part of me hopes that it's real, but you're looking out at that as you're zipping up your ridiculous nylon suit and checking to make sure everything

is there. Then you just rock forward, and at some point you rock to a place where you can't go

back the other direction, and you send it in the first few seconds, because you have

no air speed, the suit doesn't fly, so you're just following and then it takes off. It's just these right hand turns and right hand turns, and there are small sections where the angle is correct, and you can kind of connect with the train and then get away from it. The people who are able to survive it are not the ones that are flying three feet off the

ground all the time. It's very, very short periods of time on jumps that they have practiced, many, many times and they slowly incrementally work their way down there. Because again, mistake in that environment is you're going to impact an object head first at 120.

I remember the video that scared me the most was a bridge where the guy was trying to fly through the video. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Is that Sandy?

Oh yeah. Oh, I love this little grass field over here.

“I think my head turns to the right, because there was two dudes up here, I was looking”

at them. God, that is beautiful. Oh, I'm telling you, it's insane. This is the field of joy. Wow.

That's the shadow in the lower right, but that's probably, I don't know, that's probably 10 feet off. God, that is fucking pretty. Yeah. That has got to be nuts.

I mean, there's not a ride at Disneyland, they can fuck with this. Oh, I'm absolutely not. Wow. Have you ever done one of those ones where you strap a jetpack? No, but I like where your heads at.

Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Remember there was a guy that was like getting in trouble because they kept finding this guy flying a wing suit, he was flying a jetpack, wing suit, and they were trying to locate the guy who's doing this. Yeah, yeah, he was getting, like, they were looking for him because they kept spotting him.

Where was that Jamie? Do you remember? I talked about it on the show once. I feel like this is like a combination of stories. No, no, no.

Secret jetpack, man. Yeah, some guy had a jetpack, and he was flying around where he wouldn't, wasn't supposed to be. Yeah, so these guys were in Dubai. Actually, ah, that's nuts.

Yeah, but that one's nuts, so that's an actual wing suit. That's an actual wing. And they got to the place where they could take this off from standing on the ground, Joe. Unfortunately, one of the innovators in that ended up dying, there's an altitude and air

speed where if you have an issue, you're not going to be able to deploy your parachute to save you and he had an issue with that altitude. Geez.

“But yeah, who would have guys up there with a plane?”

Could you get that again for us? Yeah, that is insane. Would you ever do that? I don't want to say, would I? I mean, there's a time and a place where I would do a lot of things.

Because I would have never sent would do that.

I bet you would. Now is that after is that going to have an engine on that thing? Yeah, there's a little microjet engines. You can see them too. How much fuel?

That's a good question. Like I said, they had gotten to a place where they could stay in. So that wing is it kind of conforms around their skydiving parachute. I think there's four little jet engines. They got to a place where they were standing, crack on those things off and going vertical

and then transition to the plate. Yes. And then I think landing them too. Yeah, landing them with the engine somehow. I mean, I mean, did they rotate?

Well, I mean, they aren't wearing a parachute. Now what, maybe I might be misspeaking on that. But I know that they were taking off from a no airspeed standing there and just do it. That's nuts. Well, that's also like I said, how one of the innovators died.

It was in that phase, like a low altitude, low airspeed phase where nothing's really going to. I remember I did morning brief. What is it? Oh, yeah.

These are the jet pack racers. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I've seen that, too. This is real, by the way.

Yeah.

No, those are real. For sure. They actually have, there's a league. These things. How do we get 'em?

That's a good question. Yeah. Add to cart on Amazon for sure. How fast do you think these guys are going on with these things? Whoa.

And they can just land all that's wild. They can just fly to work.

“Bro, you have to have some fucking shoulder strength to do that.”

I mean, I love how they're trying to show like this has an incredible military application.

Like, let's take it easy. Okay. It's not gonna be quiet, right? Just, yeah. It was super quiet.

Is there some support for your shoulders in there? It's not like you're doing a constant death. I don't go. I think that the jet pack, the so the on his backpack, I believe that's putting some thrust out to the hands are as well.

So it's the combination of the three. Because like, how long can you hold a dip position? I don't know. Yes. So here's the league.

Look at these crates. Yeah, the backpack itself. Oh, getting fancy. Oh, that's crazy. I said it, but the ground's pushing back up on you on that situation, you know.

You're doing a dip. Yeah. That's true. That's true. That's true.

Yeah, that's true. I feel like the backpack is doing the majority of it. Like the Iron Man little hand things.

I feel like that's just the stabilization.

Maybe. Oh, so the backpack is doing the most of it. And the things are just steering, yeah, what it's most happened, pretty easy. I think so. I have exactly zero seconds in one of these things, so this is me talking out of my

ass. Oh, if there was enough lives, if you had multiple lives, I would do a lot of different things. That looks so fun. It does.

Jamie, what? Can't you put it up? Look at this. It's coming up the mountain. There's no parachute.

Oh, no. There is no parachute. There's no parachute.

“That's why you want to stay five feet off the ground.”

Look at this. Yeah. This is just flying to the top of this fucking cliff with that thing. Oh, that's bonkers. For sure, this is like to say people or something.

No, it's for fun. I agree. I'll go more on that one. What do you think, like the, how much time do you get in those two, right on a few old?

I don't know. I'm not. Time enough to fill a motivational video like this. To me, I'd be like. Gravity Industries.

I would be the company. I would be reverse engineering. Like, where is this? And my Amazon cart? How do I possibly make enough money to have these sent to my house immediately?

What do you think one of those costs? My guess would be six figures. So professional. The entertainment has to click on that bitch. Let's go.

Suit up. Yes, motherfucker. Hold on. What can you make my credit card? Let's guess.

Let's guess. 50 grand? 100 grand? I'm going to say six figures. Oh, so far.

They fooled us. You son's a bitch. Oh, clothes. You can only buy clothes. You can't buy the thing on the way.

Why can't you buy the fucking thing? Let's see. Well, how much does the thing cost? Somebody must be able to buy it. 1,400 pounds for an experience.

So that's just to fly it. 1,000 horsepower, 1050 horsepower gravity jet suit. Whoa. So it's the same horsepower as a ZR1 Corvette and it's on your back. Look at this.

Yeah.

First off, take that safety line off.

Let's let people look. That guy needs a safety line. Look at his neck. Let me. Yeah.

Let's search the price. So you think six figures? I would probably say that's prior accurate, especially when I saw it as a thousand horsepower. Here's a better question.

“Are you willing to spend six figures to acquire one of those?”

I'm going to go in the hard yes category for myself. I'm not saying I got six figures laying around. I'm saying I will start a new career in the attempt. Oh, no, that's not a good face, Jamie. It's not, it is in the six figures.

It's not the low, it's not the edge of the. 600. Yeah, roughly. That'd get one. $600,000.

That's $440. Whoa. Is that a new S dollars? Yeah. Yes.

Does it say how long you can stay in the air and that thing? Oh. Oh. This guess. I won't say 30 minutes.

I was going to guess under 10. Whoa. Well, I remember when I saw, I wanted a radio station once and they had a guy who, what is it? One minute.

One minute. One to four. That's it. So what are they doing when they're flying up to that mountain? Five to ten if you are doing it carefully.

Well, how the fuck do they get all the way to the mountain? How do they get down? We only saw five seconds. Was there a gallon of gas up there at the top of their fucking mountain? I'm way less enthusiastic about this purchase now.

Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. 450 grand for a minute. So what makes me enthusiastic is that they're going to innovate and evolve

this at one day. It'll be nuclear power. Let's not kick crazy. Yeah. It'll be cold fusion.

It'll be an Iron Man machine. How do you feel like we could do better things with that technology before the jet suit? But I'm totally in on the jet suit.

That's Iron Man, right? Yeah. That's how you fly. I mean, that's kind of what they look like. Yeah.

Yeah. Like it would come out of its feet and it would come out of his hands. I did a radio station once in Denver and they had a guy who did a jet pack thing in a parking lot. It was like a morning radio back in the day.

“And this guy, I think you could only last for 30 seconds.”

And this guy, he had two knee braces on because he had blown out both of his ACLs, just landing and destroying his knees. But it was crazy to watch. She just got took off and he flew around, but it was only for a few seconds. I think like it's like a 30 second deal after 30 seconds it runs out of juice.

I'm glad there are people like that out there. I appreciate they're in the enthusiasm.

There's always going to be, right?

Yeah. There's always going to be someone brief description of what it has in there. Log jazz. It honestly, it is like what you were talking about. So the hands, like the Iron Man position, so the back has a majority of the thrust.

Right. Yeah. But it heats your ass up, something first. Yeah. Up to 56 miles per hour.

Interesting. 90s. Yeah. How much faster you go with your head, feel? Well, what does it normally use?

It says diesel or jet fuel. diesel or jet fuel. Diesel or jet fuel. That's weird.

They're not that far off.

Or carousine.

“But isn't that weird that one engine can burn those different types of fuel?”

That seems unusual. That's probably the configuration part where. Oh, I see. Right. Right.

Right. If you want to talk about it. I'm wanting to get jet fuel. Plotver. Yeah.

All right. Let's get one. I'll take one. I'll take one. Yeah.

Is there legitimate military applications for something like that? I can't really think of one. There's because it showed guys and fatigues that are landed on an aircraft carrier. I could show you videos of guys and fatigues that end up banging each other. So it doesn't necessarily mean.

Right. So let's say a military application for that. What should say? Uh, who would that be for fringe? I'm just saying the fatigues doesn't necessarily

the qualifier of bit being, you know, good utilization for the military. So we only briefly touched on this candle-hard giant story. But will you ever in candle-hard? Yeah. I saw in the South of the house.

How remote is it? Hum. I mean, there's a large city there. Town City. I don't know the difference between the two.

It's relatively built up as far as Southern Afghanistan. It's going to be, you know, the cobble-up North candle-hard is a bit down south. The cobble in the north, you're going to start looking at the exterior range of the Hindu Kush. Candahar still has some topography, but you're looking at more of like a high desert train. And so there's caves and things along those lines.

This is the idea that this thing lived in the cave. Yeah. I mean, so yeah, it's, there is topography that is there for sure. It, uh, possible? I don't know.

Well, the reason why people entertain this idea of giants at all is a lot of its biblical, like stories from the Bible. And then also stories from ancient civilizations that talked about red-haired giants, which is the weird thing about this thing, had red hair. Like the Native Americans had tales of red-haired giants that they fought off.

Like, there's a lot of people that believe that all these stories from antiquity about giants are all referring to an actual different race of humans. You know, like, we are one race of humans that's almost api and that's survived. But then there's also races of humans that didn't survive. Like the Hobbit people from the Island of Flores that they found out there was a branch of the humans.

Species that was like three feet tall, covered in hair, real tiny heads. Weird, but had tools and had weapons. I think some of that stuff's real.

“I think sometimes though the stories, their height,”

they're intentionally nesting a greater message through the vehicle of that story. So whether it's like accurate or not, it's more about the story that they are telling. And I'm not saying like the Candahar giant has some story associated with it. But some of the older, like the symbolizations and the stories that they tell, I think it's just a vehicle that they can nest something in there to create deeper thought.

If that makes sense, it's what I see you guys doing is comedians. I've talked about this recently.

It is interesting to me and I never paid attention to it.

But I know he's a good friend of yours, Dave Chappelle. I launched his last special. The ability for comedians to nest inside of your set. Pretty impactful and powerful, like societal conversations and ideas. You can be able to laugh about it.

But even when they're done laughing about it, they're going to be thinking about it when they're driving home. It's just the vehicle to get people thinking about stuff. Well, in terms of comedy, I agree, and Dave is one of the best of all time. If not, the best at doing that. But what kind of a nesting would you, well, you're talking about giants?

It depends on the morals and ethos of that society. If they want to be a warrior or society, you have to have something that you're constantly fighting

Whether that's real or you are nesting the morality of your society in that story,

both could achieve the same entity. If there really was a giant and they really did kill this thing and then brought it back secretly. Like, well, we'll be the purpose of that. Why wouldn't they, that's where I go.

“Like, what would be the purpose of hiding the fact that this thing existed?”

I don't see why the government would hide the discovery of a giant. Like, what, yeah, what military reason, what national security reason would you have for hiding the thing that this thing existed? At some level of objective skepticism and criticism or looking into these stories, you get to that point of who's benefiting from this and why.

Why would anybody actually go out of their way to put this much effort into obscure something like that? Yeah. That's how I feel about giants. But when it comes to UFOs, it makes more sense to me. Because then you have something that's insanely advanced, much more advanced than us.

And so I had this guy help put off on my show. This is a physicist, a very brilliant guy and he's been around forever. And during, was George W. or Herbert Walker? Yeah. One of the bushes.

They brought him and a team specialist, and they said we are contemplating disclosure. And we have not just acquired crashed vehicles that are of non-human origin, but also we have biological remains of these creatures. We want you to write down pros and cons of the impact of these things and put a numerical value. Put a numerical value in terms of impact on government, impact on religion, impact on all these different things.

And universally, all of them came out with more cons than pros. The numbers didn't line up and they made a decision to not disclose. This is according to this how put off guy. I could see that being the case. I could see that being the case too.

If it was true. The UFO thing, there's just too many stories for me to openly dismiss all of them. Even though I have had no experiences, there's too many stories. There's too much weirdness to it. How about it just given the size of the known universe and the fact that keeps expanding?

“What is the mathematical odds that we are completely the only thing out there?”

Exactly. So this is the same argument that people used to use for bigfoot. The wilderness is so vast. The Pacific Northwest is so dense. There could be something out there that we haven't documented.

Well, the problem is now we kind of have.

And now we kind of know that with all these camera traps and all these different things, it's very, very, very, very unlikely that any of these stories are true. But when you get to the universe, it's like, come on. It's way more likely that we're not alone than we are alone. If we are alone, that's kind of insane.

I mean, it's kind of incredible. If this is the only place where intelligent life is formed, I think if that's the case, we're missing something. We're missing something about the nature of consciousness. We're missing something about what consciousness actually is.

Like, what is our actual role in the universe? It might be more complex than we initially believe.

“I think disclosure that we aren't alone would have a net benefit to society globally.”

We spent a lot of time packing back and forth at each other and fighting each other. If you got sat down and be like, listen, we have a global issue now that everybody is impacted by this. This is biggest. As much of the biggest swing and dick you think you are on this planet. Guess what?

You're nothing in comparison to this. I think it would have a net calming effect. Maybe not instantaneously, but overall, I think that that would be the net effect of it. Perhaps the real problem is, like all things, someone's going to take advantage of it. But I think that if so, let's just say it is real, I think that's already happening.

Like the US, if that's real, the US is not the only country that has agreed not to disclose because it is to their benefit, not to do so. Like these things, Russia has a crash program. I'm sure China does as well too, and I'm sure that everybody to include the US is trying to reverse engineer these things for our benefit as fast as humanly possible. Yeah. So I think if that, if it is true, that is the case, and that's the Bible's art story.

There's a great documentary that's out now called S4. That's about Bible's art.

I had them on again for a second time.

I don't want to believe them. I want to think he's a bullshit artist, but I believe him. There's something about one guy who's a clearly brilliant guy who's been telling the same story since 1988.

Some of them, I think you can completely, for sure, write off.

“But other ones, pretty tough, from pretty credible people, who aren't making claims like, hey, I sat down and had a beer with this thing.”

But like, I was in an aircraft that has a certain performance envelope, and we understand the performance envelope of what humans are able to fly at this point. And yeah, the same did things that I don't understand. Sometimes the videos get, I mean, I was talking with, you know, Bill Thompson, you just had him. Sure. Love that dude.

He is like, he's one of my favorite people. You got to be cautious. How deep of a question you ask him. Right. Because he has national defense level autism.

That's nice. Deathcon 5. Bill, what's your favorite color? It's like, oh, what is color? Like, five minutes.

That's not what I meant. But we were having this conversation, and his background is fascinating. And what's even more fascinating is what he's done with his background and what he built from, from Spartan forge with that. Yeah. Which--

And his ethics. Correct. But he was talking, some of the videos, he understands technological things. And he can look his stuff. He'll be like, that's the parallax of two moving objects and how a lens works.

Not many people understand those things. To include myself many times when I'm talking with Mr. Bill. But I mean, he got his national treasure. He really is. He is.

That was one of the ones where I dipped into the comments on YouTube because I just wanted to know how people were going to react to him. Yeah. What they say? Loved him. Loved him.

As universal praise for how brilliant he is. And like this only one way they're going to respond. I'm like, if you don't like this guy, you're listening to the wrong show.

“Have you seen what he's done with the app he created Spartan forge?”

It's incredible. It's an amazing app. It's 20 plus years of targeting and intelligence gathering packaged into something that's consumer-facing. That if you're into hunting, holy shit. I know.

And what kind of a super genius is going to get involved in a hunting app like that? Captain America of autism. I love you, Bill. But that's be honest. He's brilliant on another level.

I remember the first conversation I had with them.

I was like, oh, okay. There's people that you talk to. Whenever someone says, oh, show you're so smart. I'm like, settle down. I don't know.

I'm smart compared to you. I'm smart compared to some people. But I know real smart people. Yeah. There is a dark difference.

A giant leap. A chasm. Yeah. A fucking an ocean to cross before you reach like levels like Bill or Elon. Or some of these people that's just like the amount of processing power they have.

Yeah. You know, I have a Honda Civic Brain. And these motherfuckers have a Corvette ZR1. I usually go with, I have an IQ that you can find on a thermostat. I remember saying it's like the winter, but maybe it's a little bit close to a hot summer day.

Now, what he is, I wish I had the ability to build stuff like that. I can't use that app to hunt, but at most the time I use it when I'm flying my helicopter around. And because it is like the terrain analysis, the ability to look at stuff, the light or the way that you can look through foliage. Again, I'm just, I'm deeply appreciative that people like that exist. And again, with the ethics that he has, he will not sell your fucking email.

He's been offered a lot of money to sell all the, you know, that's the thing that companies do. You sign up for something, you use your email that your email goes on the list. I'm sure if you ever opened up one of your email accounts and look through the filters like all the sip spam and promotional shares. Like years and years of garbage. In addition to the email stuff, I know Bill has become a very good friend.

He's been offered money to do a lot of things. And his morality has stayed true throughout, which and again, like those things are his to talk about if he ever wants to. But as somebody who knows him and appreciates that, I wish there were more people like that. Yes, it's just very difficult to become a guy like that. Yeah, it's a long road to be that guy.

“Yeah, um, I think because of what's going on Iran, it'd be good to talk to you about this because your guy kind of understands things in terms of like geopolitics more than the average person.”

Listen, I can find I ran on a map. Okay, that doesn't mean I understand geopolitics. I know, you know, you're very, yeah, you're humble. But well, what this my operational experience was at a low tact. My meaning on like, there's so there's strategic work.

Right.

Operational war, but those are, that's air I never was in the room for.

I didn't breathe that air. I'm not having, I wasn't invited rightfully so to planning meetings where they were talking about the defense policy of the United States. Right. Or going into a country. I was down like, hey, we found this dude. We know where he's at.

Go ahead. We can't figure out how to go get him. Why don't you guys go give it a little look see. That was the level that I operated at. Yeah.

Well, one of the things that was discussed was sending a bunch of operators in to go retrieve depleted uranium.

Do you think they tried that as a part of the rescue?

Yeah. There seems to be a lot of ships, a lot of crafts. Well, it, okay. So, yes. But, okay, so I'll, we can unpack this one a little bit. So this is back to the FFF 15 weapon systems officers that ejected.

That was a C star or combat search and rescue operation where they surged forward a lot of stuff. And then operation or the ghost murmur. Stop it right now. You stop it right now. You don't know what that is?

I know. Do you believe in that? Joe, I want it to be true. Right. I want them to be able to identify somebody from a heartbeat, from 40 miles away.

From 40 miles away. If that technology existed and we're not using that on to help our own populist find people that are lost in the woods, we're a bunch of fucking assholes. Right. Let's not maybe tell people what we're doing, but you could have a specialist in a certain rescue helicopter that could maybe use that. And you're like, oh, we saw them in a field when you didn't actually see, right?

So, because that doesn't happen, I think though, it's plausible. I don't, it's possible. I don't know if it's plausible. That's how we felt. Me and Jamie were both on.

So, but then you can go old school, which is sending in monkeys with machine guns. Like what I used to do with a PJ or multiple PJs per rescue jumpers because those are the guys. This is the way I describe PJs.

“If you want to put a hole in something, Jsock guys are great at it.”

If you want to plug a hole, PJs are the guys that you want on top of you just stopping hydraulic fluid. They're medical just absolute bad asses. Nothing but immense respect for them. So, the two cargo aircraft came in. They pulled the little birds out.

I believe that there was four. That you could only fit probably, man, even if they were super light on fuel, probably three guys on each pod. So, six guys per helicopter, 24 guys, some of those are going to have to be PJs. I don't know if that's enough to go into a hard and facility. In the daytime also, which is not when you would do that.

For retrieving depleted uranium. Because, by the way, to do that, you're going to be in full protective equipment very likely, which you're going to be moving incredibly slow. I just, I know it was, I know that geographically it was proximal to one of the locations that they thought that that was what was going on. I think it probably was a rescue of the weapon systems officer.

It's my guess. And then, you know, they're like, well, we can't get the aircraft because they got stuck in the sand. Like, okay, the little birds don't have the fuel storage and ability to get across where they needed to go. So, they'd bring another aircraft and, you don't really need that stuff. So, all right, two are dead, man.

Yeah, they bib it or blow it in place. How many aircraft did they lose?

“So, what has been, I think, disclosed was the four MH-6s, which are the little birds that carry the people.”

The two aircraft that brought those in. I think there was some version of a C-130. And I think that was it as far as that operation. There might have been a predator or a reaper drone that was shot down. I think some ATens were damaged.

And then, of course, the F-15 that was ejected from. Wow. It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff. It is a lot of stuff.

But the military asks people to do exceptional things. And it helps you if you know that they are going to send everything that they have to come and get you something goes wrong. It has to mean something to be issued a flag on your chest. In my opinion, at least.

And as far as those operations go, there's basically two where you are going to absorb as the people responding in immense amount of risk.

One of them is going to be a hostage rescue, which I was a part of. We talked about the previous episode, the Jessica Lynch Rescue, the number of people we thought we might encounter was a way bigger number than the number of people that we could get there in the helicopters. But you go anyway because of the chance of rescuing somebody. Combat search and rescue kind of the same thing. Maybe they're not.

It's not a hostage situation, but it could be building towards that.

“I mean, maybe you don't have time to go at night, which is when you have all the tactical and technological advantage, right?”

The night vision goggles. Right. So like, hey, we got to go now in the daytime. We're going to level the technological playing field and you guys are going to go full back dive and get like that's very high risk. Those are about the two times that you were going to accept that level of risk and you go when you go. Well, that's why I want to ask you.

So the official story seems to track. It is more plausible to me than any of the other stories that I have heard. I would like to think that the ghost murmur, whatever it is. But then it's like, okay, I mean, walking the dog on that one, did this guy have to sit down and you know, get an EKG and have his heart wave, you know, HRV on file somewhere because how would you not pick up somebody else's heart rate? Right.

How would you not pick up other animals or mammals that like, you know what I mean? So I want to believe I think we'll probably get there. I don't think we're there yet. Was that an official story? No, that's a Twitter story.

Are you sure?

I, well, I first saw it on Twitter, so I did too.

But I also wanted to tell you to me. I didn't actually actively see it out. So I said to me, and I was like, wait, what?

The internet is the best worst thing ever.

It was good to spread around by New York Post and then the same article was getting repeated everywhere. So interesting. New York Post. Everyone's screen. Interesting.

Ghost murmur. I mean, I would imagine I bet you Locky Martin does have a program called Ghost murmur. Long range quantum megdatometry. I'm looking at articles, so diamond base sensors.

“I think Iran was saying that we tried to do the snatch of the uranium.”

Yes, the little bit of the oil dust. So it's like, oh, who knows what side of the story to believe? All right.

So that is part of the problem.

And you know, you got your Fox News narrative and your MSNBC narrative. And who fucking knows? Yeah, separating the bullshit in the modern era is more like an art form than a science. Yeah, it's very confusing. And it's very disconcerting to just have no.

And then also, they can't tell you certain things. Like, why would the general public know about things that could affect negatively national security? Like, why? Why would they tell you? They can't tell you.

Which is also part of the problem with they're allowed to lie. They're allowed to use propaganda and misinformation on the American people in the interest of national security. So that's like-- But just be better.

I would appreciate it more than like, listen, this is what we can tell you.

And then this beyond this is a matter of national security. So as much as you want to know, we can't tell you. Right. I'd prefer that over a BS story that gets, it's like a really sticky idea that then gets totally out of control. And then, you know, people have a three-piece tinfoil taxi to one walk and down Main Street.

But it's just super weird that there might be something like ghost murmur. There might be-- Like, guaranteed that there is a program to magnetometry with diamond sensors. I bet that's real. I bet it works out.

I mean, they're probably testing it on mice. You know, and I'm sure that the concept is valid. Well, you got you.

“President Trump told the post CIA's Secret New Ghost Barmer Tool was very important.”

To rescuing a downed airman inside Iran. As leading physicists and engineers debate how the features of technology said to detect heartbeat's a great business might work. So I guess the post didn't make it up. They were talking about Trump.

Wow. I don't know if everything he says is accurate. Just to throw that out there. So he who knows gets a little loose and fast sometimes with the details and reality. It's just crazy that that kind of technology is even being contemplated.

That there might be a future where that exists. Oh, that makes sense. Oh, that makes sense. Vindue based on your heart rate. Well, they now know that they can use Wi-Fi in order to see 3D objects in motion in a house.

Yeah, they can map.

“Yeah, I mean, it's-- well, I mean, again, I think Evan and I had an argument one time about”

radar and so on arm, we were both calling each other idiots and we both found out that we were wrong. Once we looked at them on the internet. So we'll say some version of that. God, we were both 100% committed that we were that we were correct. We were both wrong, which is classic.

But yeah, like in this room, the things that are emanating, there's an ability for them to map that and determine who you know. Maybe not who you are, but I bet you get to that point and where you are. And you want to talk about it tactically beneficial piece of information. Right. My old job. Thank you very much. Right. You all take that all day as long as it stays out of the hands of the enemy.

Yeah. But then they'll eventually get it and then you'll evolve and your tactics will change and that's the game. It just gets to a point with technology where it's like, what is not possible 100 years from now? That's what's weird. Like, we are in one of the strangest times ever in human history in terms of these quantum computers that can solve mathematical

Well, like Mark Andrews and explained it to me and I'm going to paraphrase it. I'll probably fuck it up. But he said that a quantum computer can solve an equation in a matter of minutes that if you converted the entire universe, every atom in the universe into a supercomputer, the universe would die of heat death before it could solve this problem. And a quantum computer on earth can solve it in a matter of minutes. I don't even understand every word that you just used.

Right. But I don't understand what that means. Exactly. That's what it is capable of. Right.

Well, they think that it might be evidence of somehow another evidence of multiple dimensions of a multiverse. And that not only is this quantum computer operating in this universe, but in an infinite number of other universes.

I like the doctor's strange movies.

I mean, all the multiverse.

“And that's, I mean, to me, that, well, I think they started it with Spider-Man.”

That might as well be a scientific documentary because that's my reference for the multiverse. Right. I guess we shouldn't even talk about it because we don't know what we're saying. Like, we're stopping before. But it's one of those things where quantum computers are real.

That's an actual real thing now. Google specifically, her multinen who leads Google Quantum AI's recently used language as strongly suggest their new quantum chip speed could be understood as borrowing computational power from other universes. But this is an interpretive speculative way of talking about quantum mechanics, not an experimentally established fact or a standard claim. The claim comes from December 2024, a blog post about Google's willow quantum chip never wrote that the chip solved a task in minutes that would take a classical super computer about 10 to the 25th power years far longer than the age of the universe.

Again, I understand every word you just use, but I don't understand.

Stop scrolling. Go back up. He then said this lens credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes and that this aligns with the idea that we live in a multiverse explicitly referencing David Deutsch's many worlds argument for quantum computing. Yeah, right. We're too dumb to have this conversation.

“That's what we need to get Bill on speaker phone.”

Bill? Bill explaining this. Problem is he would be like, and then, and then the show would be five hours long. Well, and then I would also understand the words that he was using, but not in the combination in sequence that he would use them. Exactly. Exactly.

I'm just appreciative that he exists. Yeah, I'm appreciative that there's people like that out there. Yeah, your book, uh, drown proof. I assume this is in normal language that a normal person like you and I could read. Well, understand that I wrote it. We did not use a lot of multi-syllable words. A lot of ads and those are in there.

Well, I'm sure it's awesome. Uh, look, you got Jaco, Jack Carr, and me, give me the blurbs on the cover. So it's got a good. So it's some point. It doesn't have to be now, but I've been essentially wrote in the description of it. And I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

My life would not look the way it does. Had you nine out randomly met through tape lecture. Like my post military life would look completely different. And I have no ability to, like, pay you back for how gracious you've been with, like, your time and your platform. So, although it's a two-way street because you, your presence on my show has enriched my show.

It's made the show better for sure. Well, my promise is that I will do the best I can to be a positive impact on the world around me.

“I think that's the best way that I can try to pay you back.”

And honestly, it's the reason why I wrote that in the first place.

Well, that's all I can do. It's my pleasure and I try to do the exact same thing and shout out to my boy, take pleasure. I would see that guy and forever. He's the best. I love him.

All right, I love you too. Thank you very much. And thanks for being here. And drown proof. Did you read the audiobook?

I did. Yes. I love it. After that, experience let me tell you, voice actors. I struggle with it enough as the person who wrote the words.

I can't even fathom what it would be like going in their blind. And like, well, let's just figure this out as we go. Yeah, it's a tough gig. Yeah. The jokerwood wrote and read the forward.

Nice. Yeah, it was amazing. Beautiful. All right. That's it.

Go get it folks. It's out now. All right. Bye, buddy. [MUSIC PLAYING]