#2495 - Tim Burchett

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Big honor. Thank you. An honor for me, too. Very excited about this. Very excited to talk to you.

There's so many different things to discuss. So do you know what is going to be released? So supposedly, this is the week of some kind of disclosure. Can you give us any insight as to what's going on? Oddly enough, I got to call tomorrow at three o'clock.

“I'm going to be briefed over the phone by, I think, one of head-sists' top dogs”

is going to go over some stuff with me that they've gotten. And I have no earthly idea. I don't want everybody to get their hopes up. I don't have a lot of faith in our government.

President Trump's always been great to me.

He's never lied to me, but I don't know that he knows the right questions to ask and the right people to talk to, because in this thing's been covered up, at least since 1947. And I just don't think they're going to-- they don't give up that easy. The war pumps at the Pentagon and everybody else.

They just don't give up that easy. How did you come to understand all the stuff? What was your understanding of it before you got any government? I had pretty cool parents. Now they would-- that it was in a World War II Marine, and Mama flew an airplane during

the Second World War. I mean, they were bad asses. Then they were good Christian people, but my daddy was a stone-code killer. I mean, he was the real-day-all.

“He was on Pillow and Okinawa in the Marine Corps.”

And of course, Mama's oldest brother Roy got killed fighting the Nazis, and Mama did her part, just a little country girl, didn't have electricity until she's a senior in high school. So I've kind of lived the American dream, but they would let me, you know, they'd let me get bloodied up, and then they would patch me up and let me go. You know, I could ride my bike to the library, or the library if you're from East Tennessee.

And it was, you know, about a mile from the house, and they'd go in there and they had these books set up, and they had all this stuff on, you know, this wild stuff, and there's a book on UFOs. And I just picked it up and started reading, and I probably wasn't.

I don't know, seven or eight years old, and I just always followed it.

You know, the magazine articles, and I'd go out at night, and hope to see UFO. Never did, never have until some of the briefings I've been in. But, and then I'm walking down the street, and can I mention another news source, so I'd okay. Yeah, I was walking down the street, and TMZ was there was a guy there, a black fella

named Colin. He's a buddy of mine. He doesn't work for them anymore, but he was filming, and he said, hey, car'sman, he said, you want to come in on the UFO thing, you couldn't get anybody to come in, and I said, what's your?

I said, they're going to issue, tell you, they're going to issue your report, and it's going to be loaded. And everybody's freaking out. It's going to be the greatest thing. It's going to be total disclosure.

And then they're going to put something out of it, like some I shot it with a dad gum 12 gauge. It's going to have holes in it. It's all redacted, and I said, and they're not going to put it out this week. It'll be weeks later.

And that's exactly what they did. And they had a report. I felt like had some information in that was new to the public, and they did what they always do. They had it covered it up, and then everybody saw that interview.

“And I said, on that I said, does that's when we're talking about bases in the ocean?”

No, no, no. That's the different one. As it is, it's totally different. And this is that on the street corner. And then I started getting calls from people literally all over the world.

I mean, I've talked to legislators in Russia over this issue. And then people start, just stop now in street corners, and say, hey man, I really appreciate you going for disclosure. I have doctors telling me this, I have lawyers, engineers. I have military people that have seen things that they can't describe.

I've had members of Congress. You know, there's a few bullies in Congress. They'll make fun. I mean, say smart-o-x stuff, but put it out there to your people. It's over 55% American population feels like we're not alone.

I mean, seriously. You go out there and look at those, every night, my dogs, they got to take a leak.

They never want to take a leak at like nine o'clock, it's always three o'clock in

the morning. I look at those dead gum stars, man. And the light from those stars left there before the time of Christ. And some of those stars, the stars have already combusted. I mean, they're not even there anymore.

You know, light years to us is something that's hard to understand. And we are more, we are just, you know, one grain of sand on a billion beaches. And I still don't think we're the best that God can do. I just can't imagine we're his shining. We're the one they put on the man, oh, look, he made humans, man.

You know, we've kind of screwed things up. So you know, and I, and I, and I read my Bible and a lot of the Christian folks knocked

I talk about it's demons, and I said, well, I'm good with Jesus. I'm not worrying about demons. I'm not going to worry about that. I don't think their demons, I don't, why would they, they don't have to fly around in some craft to, you know, it's just to me, it's, it's hard to imagine.

But the, the underwater thing was, I was, I was getting briefed by, and it was a former admiral came into my office. In Joe, it was, it was a very friendly conversation.

And I'm always a little couched because a little, a whole back a little bit.

“Because I think there's a sigh out going on with some of these departments.”

I was briefed by one of our alphabet agencies not long ago. And the final thing was, somebody said, well, well, I don't, we got more information since we just don't have the funding for that congressman. And, you know, it's, and I know they're reading the polling data, and they're saying, you know, well, let's, shake loose the money tree for us.

And that's, that's part of it too. And I warn people about that. But, um, I guess in a nutshell, that's pretty much it. So when you first got in, how long have you been in government for? Well, eight years in, in Congress, I was in our state legislature in Tennessee, 16 years.

And then I was county mayor for eight years. So was it when you got in the congress that you first started getting inside information about what's going on? Yeah. So that was, was that eight years ago or like, when was that?

Probably six years gross, five or six. No, let's see.

It was there in Trump's first administration.

So it would have been about eight years ago. And do you remember what it was? Do you remember how you were introduced to it? Yeah, um, we, we raised, we just raised total hell about it. And then why?

Because it's a cover up. Nobody would give us information. But what made you think it was a cover up? Why did you think that? I guess I just don't trust the government.

I've been in government, most of my life, and I just don't trust it. I don't understand that. But like, was there something that led you to want to pursue this particular subject? No, just it kind of pursued me after I did that TMZ interview. People started calling me and then people would, um, I would get phone calls from people

for it. But the TMZ interview was fairly recently, right? No, no, no, no, no. That was one that was, that was, that was what started at all the seven or eight years ago. I'm sorry.

I don't, okay. I didn't explain very well. No, that's very well. So, so then, so, but you had an interest from the time you were child and then getting

into government, what was like the first introduction where you had an idea that there's

something going on? When I started asking questions and, um, and we just get to run around.

“I think we're kind of questions like, um, what is, what is this?”

Where are you seeing these things? And we would get people, I would, I had, I had an interesting, you know, meeting in my office, um, with some people that were, uh, nationally known and they came by to see me and they just wouldn't talk to me about it. And I was, um, and, and they started telling me things and then I had a group come to my

house. I said, we all just come by the office and they say, and we'll talk and I say, we don't feel comfortable doing that. And they came by the house and they said, can we hook up to your, um, television, and I said, washer, you know, and they hooked up the computer to it.

And they were showing me, um, they were showing me objects that were flying at, and granted, I'm not, you know, I'm not an astrophysicist by any stretch of imagination. But they were showing me things that were flying at, it speeds that were just, that nothing compares. And the angles that they were taking would literally, and I've said this before, and grosses

people out. But it would turn you or me into a ketchup package. I mean, we, you know, you go this way, then boom, you're going this way. And we have no, no capability of any of it. And now I've been very, so many times from, um, and different, different groups, um, you

know, we've, we scrub missions because these things are out there. And then we tell everybody that's involved to keep your mouth shut. And then if you're a pilot, and you come back and say, hey, I've seen this, you immediately pulled off the flight line. I'm not a pilot or military person, but flight line was what I call it.

They're not able to fly. And they're given a cycle evaluation. And they're given an eight hour, they call it a debriefing. It's, I've been told by some of the officers have been involved. It's really just an interrogation.

And then you got that hanging on your record. And so it influences them to start out with. Keep your mouth shut. I literally had a Gattail, me, Joe, that he, um, he said his, um, um, recorder. It was an older style plane.

And he said it.

“I think he said it was close to his right knee.”

And when he got that on his recorder, he started smashing it with his right knee, it's to discombobulated. So that it wasn't even, because he didn't want anything, he did not need it. He saw it, he didn't need it in, on his record. And if he saw it, it was on a dad gum tape.

They, they drag in. And so, you know, myself, Luna, and, um, Matt Gaetz went down to Florida to be, um, a brief

And so we go down there and, and again, we go in, I told Matt, I said, Matt, they don't give them up as stuff easy. We're going to go down there and I have a bad feeling they're going to turn us out, turn us out. Well, we went down there and Joe, they break us on some very, um, very serious issues that

they were dealing with with the Chinese and, um, and communist infiltration and things going on, um, around, around, around Florida and, in the ocean.

And, but they did never have the, uh, they wouldn't bring the pilots in, Matt said, hey,

I understand all this, but this is not why we came down here. And Matt's, um, you can say what you want to about Matt Gaetz, but he's, uh, he's a great orator and he's a great attorney and he just started felitalin on them and he told him, he said, here's what's going to happen. You're going to jerk me around and I said, I'm going to subpoena you all.

We're going to call y'all back to Washington.

“And I remember looking over in the corner at the suits and I, and I said, and I called them”

spokes because they were obviously some sort of military intelligence or CIA and I leading over to Matt and I said, the spooks are getting nervous, brother, because they were kind of shipped in around and they shut us down. I said, no, we're not going to do it. And Matt said, I'm calling whoever big air force was, he, Matt, it was on the, um, I'm

one of the military committees and he called and, um, our later, they stuck us up in this room and, um, had microphones under the desk. I remember Loona reached under and unplugged them and, um, they had a nice fruit tray that you paid for taxpayers. Thank you very much.

So I went into it like a jack as eating solbras, I was just eating, I didn't care. And so, um, finally came back at an hour and the gas says, I don't know who y'all called, but you're going to get your burry thing to bring the pilots in. And literally, they brought these pilots in and they were in their, um, their flight gear and they had just come out of the planes.

“And they were the ones and they, they described things and it's been reported down, it's”

been reported in public, but it was, um, these craft that were hovering for extended periods

of times and could shoot straight up at incredible speeds that we don't have capabilities

of doing. And those are the kind of thing. And, and to their, um, this was military people, these were top people, these are like the equivalent, not, you know, they, they, just some of our top people. And I know folks are going to say, well, it's probably the Russians.

Well, if it's the Russians, that got me, they wouldn't be tied up down in Ukraine for how many years and it, and put in such an ego-many acade, fly saucer to Pennsylvania Avenue get out and probably wrestle Trump in the front yard or something, you know, bear chested right at unicorn or something, I don't know, if it's China, they don't us even more than they already do.

And then people say, well, it's ours, barchett, you're, it's the stars that they don't want to release it. Well, think about this, President Trump and he should have, and I'm giving great credit

“for that, that pilot that got knocked down over on our end.”

We spent untold millions of dollars to bring that cat home, and we should have, because it sends a message to our enemies, and it sends a message to our fighting men and women that we're not going to leave you behind, it's many presidents have done many times.

There's no way, on God's green earth, that they would risk a half a billion dollar aircraft

with something flying around it and, um, and, and, and risk those guys live and all that training to put these guys in harm's way, and that's, and that's exactly what they're doing. And these things are buzz and cockpits, and it's, it's not an everyday occurrence. It's in certain areas, and that's where the, um, the deep water thing comes in, the deep

water bases. I was sort of misquoted. I was just telling what I was told, and, um, but it makes a lot of sense that these deep water areas are where we see a lot of sightings. And we see, I, we've seen, um, craft underwater, it do something over 200 miles an hour

at on the sonar pickup, or as big as a dead-gum football field. The best we have, we don't have anything big as a football field. Maybe in length, but not in, not underwater anyway. And, uh, you know, the best we can do is maybe upper 30 mile an hour, maybe something like that.

I don't know. But 200 miles an hour, that's just out of the question. And, um, these things don't have a heat signature, and I hope, I hope, though, that they release some of the footage that we've seen in some that we haven't, that we've been rumored that's out there.

What I'm afraid, though, it's going to get so sanitized, and it's going to get cleaned up. I mean, even Obama, he said, yeah, they're aliens out there, and then in our recent interview, I saw just last week or so. He's backed up on that. Oh, I was just kidding.

I was just kidding. Yeah. And I saw Trump, when he was getting interviewed, he said, Obama should have said that because it's classified, he goes, but I might release it, I might make it unclassified.

And I told him that, I talked to the president about it.

And I said, you know, Mr. President, it's like, it's like layers of an onion. You just keep piddling it back. And I hope he does, because we have the only one that would have only one of the enough guts. Yeah.

Because he's not beholden to that bunch, all they've done is try to bury him. Right. Yeah. So when these men came to you and they hooked up the computer to you television and showed you, do they tell you why they wanted you to see this stuff?

I just thought I should know about it because I was asking the right questions. And then shortly after that, I was in, you know, we told that you were not supposed to tell people about this were you? No. But it's interesting.

I had that deep throat moment, you know, not the porn version, the Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was walking in the tunnel one day and a person came up to me. It's always a friend.

It's always a friend that does this and said, it was just a strange, just conversation

“and I'll never forget it because he said, "Burch it."”

He said, "You know, you're really pushing on this UFO thing." And I could. Yeah. Yeah. I am.

He said, "Do you really think we need to do this?" And I just kept listening. I went out of the young man out of run my mouth and said, "I'll shut up, but I listen to what he said." He said, "I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community and all this other

means. Some of this stuff just left unknown, you know?" And I said, "No, it's not." The government has no right to decide what I can and cannot understand or handle or see. And to me, and every time Joe, let me tell you what they're going to do.

I had a two-page bill for disclosure and Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages, I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination committee release, which were over 60 years into that, and we still don't. They haven't released everything that on President Kennedy getting shot.

“And that's what they wanted to model with, that gum thing after mine was two pages long.”

Of course, mine didn't get anywhere. I was told by a member of the leadership, they came and sit with me, I call it "Cinners Row." I said on the back row, second from the back on the aisle, everybody gets in trouble. They come sit with me sometimes.

And I was told by a member of a leadership that the intelligence community was unhappy with what I was doing. And then I got a phone call from a former member of President Trump's staff who told me that I needed to, I forget, as exact terminology, he said, "Oh, he said, "You need to get some bodies around you."

I mean, so, you know, I don't know what that means, I mean, I'm the 435th most powerful

member of Congress, Joe. So, right? Yeah. They bump me off and it's going to be like, they'll be one tear shed on the house floor that because that would somebody $10.

I didn't pay him back and then they'll move on to the next gas. So, well, I'm sure you're aware of this narrative about the missing scientists and scientists that have turned up dead and been killed. 100%. That's real.

I think I have a theory on that. All right. I know it's a little dangerous to throw these things out, and I was on maybe Fox one time. And I just came up with this. I say, "Say your family's mobbed up."

Okay? And y'all own a nice Italian restaurant and it's world renowned and you're busted and at the seams, you know, in your franchise and then putting out cookbooks and everything. You got this one chef who's the kingpin of all of it. But you're afraid he's talking to your competitors.

Now, you don't bump him off. What you do is you rough up a few of the bus boys and that sends a quick dad gum message that you need to shut your mouth. And timing is everything and nothing happens by accident, Washington DC.

“To me, I think it's the timing is uncanny.”

You got a president. You know, he had these hearings in Washington. You have a president that says he's going to release stuff. And all in that same timeframe before and after that, you're having some of these high ranking officials disappear.

And to me, that's nobody disappears in this country and let's say they want to disappear. You know, there's cameras everywhere. And it just to me, it's just, it wreaks of a deep state sewer. UFC 328 is here and draft king sportsbook makes every fight night mean more. When a fighter steps into the octagon, everything they've built comes down to this moment.

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gaming resources, C sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos, limited time offer. Yeah, I thought one of the things that I thought of is one of the subjects that these people were, they're all working on different things, but they're working on alternative energy sources. Yeah, that's the, that's the, I'm sorry to mean to cut you.

No, that's okay.

“It has some together, I think, and two, they're one of them spouse said, "Oh, my husband”

or wife or whatever, never did anything with UFOs."

Well, they don't talk about it. It's actually, it's a pretty close knit group, and I always remember this, "I'm not going doors. That's how I got elected." Nobody really did.

There's not a lot of people like me that are coming from a family of public educators. They're getting elected to Congress, all right? Most of my contributions are $25 and semi-reps of Bible first around it and tells me they're praying for. The big boys, they're always for me that day after the election, all right?

They always, "Hey, oh, come on, you got you a check, and we were with y'all along." I always say, "Yeah, I felt it right there towards the end, but I'm not going on this guy's door down and fair and he's putting his flag out. He's an older gentleman," and I said, "Hey, brother, did you serve?" And he said, "No," and he said, "I mean, he's gonna see, you know, and he kind of

held his head down. No, I didn't." And I said, "I worked at Oak Ridge." And I said, "Brother, I said, "My daddy was on Oak Ridge when they dropped the bomb. They were getting ready to invade the main lane, Japan."

I said, "My mom and daddy were alive today. They would hug you because they put it together." And he said, "Well, before I left, he said, a funny thing," he said, "my wife worked there, too." And you know, I did, she worked on, I think he said he was fused or something, and she

was, I worked on a timer on the atomic bomb. And he said, "I didn't know what she did the entire time that we were working there."

“That's called compartmentalization, and that's what you have here.”

And if I can elaborate just a little bit more, you're familiar with FOIA, I mean, you're a member of the media, Freedom of Information Act. It means I can request from a federal agency, the FBI, they probably wouldn't give it to me, but any information, but I can't go after like Ford Motor Company, okay? So what they've done is they've given this information, whatever if it's craft, it's material,

if it's bodies, I don't know, I have my suspicions, but they've given them, there's

four or five major contractors, as you say, that are always the ones that are put and

out there, there are missile defense systems, they're coming up with this new metallurgy, these new propulsion systems. And I think that whatever they had they gave to them early on, and they're the ones, but they're so far disconnected from the government that I can't touch it. And the people that are working on it, there's nobody alive, or around Roswell, or

any of that stuff that was in and around those years, that still alive, or still working. So all those people are gone, I mean, that's the best secret you can keep if you tell somebody and they die, and that's exactly what they've done. And we've been given places, addresses, and things, and everybody says, oh man, go to,

“you need to get out to Area 51, Birchett, and see what's out there, nothing at Precan Area”

51. So as we announced where we're going, the U-Haul vans would have already been there in the left, and so what it's going to take is, it's going to take a scientist or somebody that's going to have to walk out of one of those dead-gum labs before they're allowed to commit suicide, but she didn't themselves in the back of the head 10 times with a shotgun

or something. And so, do you know the Bible is our story? I do. I've never met Bob. I know a buddy of mine, I guess, for an amount, I think, sort of broke that story.

Choice now? Yeah, now. Now, I'm sorry, I haven't slept much in the last 48 hours, but yeah, George, I met him through all this, and then it's a big honor because I grew up watching George and I, he's a cool guy.

I love him. He comes to my office and we hang out, and I mean, people get, you know, they get kind of a story out when they see him, I like your sale for kid rockers and buddy, but for me, it was George and I out, because I asked him, I'd ask him stuff because, yeah, that was a report I did when, and because that's, you know, yeah, he's very careful about what

he says too. He's not a guy who says anything that he can't.

And he docks it, he never seen his files.

I mean, it's just, it's a myriad of files. He's very even keeled and fair in the way he assesses things. He's not hyperbolic, the way he describes things is like as clean and as accurate as possible.

I mean, he's a true journalist.

“I, I wish other people would look at a guy like that and say, that's the way we need”

to go journalism. A real journalist who didn't start off with this whole UFO thing, he didn't want to, he's an actual just regular journalist until Bobblas are contacted him. And that story, we, I've had Bob on a couple of times. In fact, this is how popular this idea is in the American zeitgeist.

The Bobblas are episode of this podcast is the most viewed episode that I've ever had on YouTube. Is that right?

Yeah, it's got 65, 66, 66 million views right now.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, a guy who's just talking about how he used to work at S4, Area 51, right for where he was back engineering UFOs. Right.

And there's a new documentary that he just did called S4, where they used CGI and they made models of the craft and they made him, like, they brought him, you know, they used this technology that makes it look like he's a lot younger and they showed like what his experience was. They completely recreated it and it down to a tape.

And I, Jamie and I got the chance to watch it with him, with Bob and Luigi, the guy made the film.

“And it was, isn't, I mean, watching how emotional he gets when he's in the rooms,”

like, this is it. This is it. This is like, like, it freaks me out, like, brings me back. Because we're talking about 1988, 1989, when all this was going on. And he really, you know, at the last report I saw, it was, it's something I interviewed

in his house. I mean, he had like a met 80s Corvette or something, you know. He's not, it, it, it, it hasn't cashed in on it, like everybody else seems to do. No, he hasn't made any money off of it. And he's still just a legitimate scientist.

He runs United Nuclear Labs. He's, you know, that's what he does. And he's a brilliant guy and doesn't want the attention. Like, I, it was very difficult to get him to come back in a second time, you know, and he wanted to wait until this documentary was out and come in and talk again.

But he got freaked out. He drank a lot of whiskey. You know, he's like, yes, we're did out by it all. So it's like, to him, the whole experience was very surreal and strange. And well, you got, you got to figure, he's the one that escaped from all of it and has still

alive. And how he got out and was able to do it before they could sound. And they tried to discredit him, said he didn't work there. And then, yes. I think he produced checkstubs, even.

Well, not just that.

They tried to pretend that he never worked at Los Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee

roster. There was a, there was a lot of stuff going on with it, tried to discredit him. But he went public because he was afraid they were going to kill him. You know, because the initial one that he gave a fake name, and he was a silhouette and he told the story.

But then his home got broken into his car was getting broken into, he got shot out on the highway. He got real weird. And so he said, look, I've got to go public.

“I could maybe the only way to protect myself and he told the whole story.”

And he hasn't deviated from that story. And that's, that's what's really kind of crazy. Because it's been, you know, what, 40 something years or close to. These guys, they asked those questions, you know, they always, oh, yeah, well, and then say, was it red, no, it's green, and then they were adamant that it was red 10 years

ago. Right. Every thing about him has been that he, and I've seen, there was a documentary on him, and they asked somebody to analyze him, you know, it was he telling the truth or not. And he said, I think he's telling truth.

Yeah. He doesn't seem like he's lying, but I mean, of course, I'm in the business. I'm in Congress. So, yeah. He's an amateur.

We're professionals out there, brother. You only think you can tell, uh, you, they're not very good at it. The people in Congress that are liars. The problem with liars is they don't really have a good understanding of the truth. Because if you're lying all the time, and you're forging this like fake narrative, people

see that. And so that when you try to say it as the truth, it doesn't come off like the truth, there's a feeling that people get when they talk to you. Now, there's some real crazy people that are, that could just lie, like, really insane. But generally, they lie about a bunch of stuff.

They don't just have one lie from 1989. The term pathological come to mind. Yes. You know, that bass was this big. Yeah.

Well, his story, the one of the interesting things is he was talking about the ways which the craft moved. And then decades later, we have footage that shows these crafts rotating in the direction that they want to travel, then zooming off. And then, of course, there was the Commander David Fraver incident off the coast of San Diego

in 2004. And if that was our technology, the thing that puzzles me is if we had something in 2004

that could go from 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in under a second, I can't

imagine that 22 years later, there would be no advances that it would have leaked through into mainstream technology. Well, the energy. Yes. Yes.

You know, we'd heater homes in the winter and cool them in the summer.

I'm not my daddy fought for this country, and I'm not, you know, there are businesses

war in their businesses very good. They will quickly, you know, stand up and trash a guy like Faver. He testified before our committee. And I was taken by what he said. I know him pretty well now.

But we, you know, we had the committee. Which was crazy. We, me and Luna and a bunch of others got together and said, "My, we need to do this." Committee, this is, we need to do this. And so I went to the chairman and he said, "Sure."

And then they sort of blew it off, and then they went, "And I go see the staff of these committees."

That's the real problem in Washington, Reagan said it, "Best, don't term limit politicians,

term limit staff."

“You know, I go in there, and I'm told, "Yeah, well, I think we want to just talk about”

this Chinese hot air balloon, so we want to really talk about that now." I don't know, that's not, excuse me, I don't want to check now. We want to, we want to talk about that gun, UFOs, what people are calling us about constantly. I mean, it was just getting so much airplay. And then I was told by some old timers, which was kind of cool.

They said that, you know, Tim, I've been here some of them been here 10, 15 years, and said that was the most attended committee that they get to remember. They had to open up another room, so people could be there. I walked out, I was on Fox at Morning, and I was going out, I left my office at 430 in the morning, and I was outside, and I remember it was hot, because it was summertime.

And there was people already outside lining up that had come from all over the country. On their own dime, I mean, these weren't like wealthy people, and then one guy said, "This is our vacation this year. We're coming to this dead gum committee." And Joe, they were lined up around the hall, around everywhere, and that's where I met

Sean Ryan, and a bunch of people.

And it was just, it was amazing to me, and that's when Congress started paying attention

to it, because they realized the voters are paying attention to.

“Yeah, I mean, that might be the only way to put pressure on them.”

The thing about the alternative energy sources, one of the things that I was thinking, is that if you were involved in whatever petroleum, whatever your business is, and there's something that's coming out of business, then and the Pentagon, that was my point on the Pentagon. It was put them out of business, put the old companies out of business, because they say

what he was showing at that gum hate signature, but if a blackbird flies across my farm, it's going to put out of that gum hate signature, and through the technology we had, you know, that's the tick-tack, tick-tack, yeah, they look like a little man, and that's what they were. That's what Commander David Fraver saw.

Yeah, and not only saw, but there's video footage of it, there's radar footage of it. It's exhibiting travel that's just beyond comprehension for modern technology, for current state technology. 100%. But if these people were working on some sort of new energy source or some sort of new

propulsion system, and you've got to imagine there's a very small amount of people that are on the cutting edge of whatever this stuff is. If this is like groundbreaking technology that's not known by mainstream physicists or whoever's working on it, and you only have a small group of people, if you whack one of them, you put a big stop to any progress, especially if you get the main people, the lead scientist,

and that guy winds up getting assassinated, or winds up in-- Disappears. Disappeared. The one lady was the weird one, so she's walking with her. She hiking or something.

Yes. Walking with her friend, her friend turns around and talks to her, and then walks a little further, turns around to say something again, and she's gone. Just gone. And they bring in dogs, they have cadaver dogs, they can't find her.

There's no trace, no one's seen her since, and this lady was apparently--wasn't she,

“Jamie, wasn't she involved in some sort of alternative technology?”

Alternative? Yeah, I think she's done that. She met metallurgy, it was her deal. So you think of these, whatever, these craft or whatever, have to be something, and I said this earlier on one time, and it made a lot of sense.

I was surprised that something I said did, but it's sort of stuck. It's like, well, why don't they just bring it all out now if they've got it? I don't think we've got the technology to figure out what the heck it is. I was like, I ride motorcycles, I got an old '47, Indian chief. If I were to take that thing back to the--when they came over in the Mayflower, you know,

they would see it and think, "That's kind of an unusual, they might worship as a god." I know, sometimes do when I go out to the garage, but--but, you know, they're not going to be able to adjust the vials. They're not going to know what the heck spark put is. They probably wouldn't be able to figure out how to make a fuel with a high enough octane

They might get it started, and I think that's sort of where we're at with this stuff, you know.

“I think it's, I think, a lot of them have something, and they just don't know what to”

heck do with it. Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it, and that was his take on it when he was working there in 1989. He said, "They understood how to turn it on, they didn't exactly understand how it worked, or what it did, and they wanted him to try to figure it out."

Those guys that came to my house, they talked about that, and how these, something could travel with these light ears, and one of them was an astrophysicist, and I don't really understand astrophysics, but it took me six years to get out of UT, and I didn't drink her smoke pot, so I'm just going to elaborate a little bit of it or whatever you'd rather. I have a green shop, technological indulgence case, and I can fix your lawnmower, convert

your house down if you need it wired, but I'll always have a job.

So you got something vibrating over here, and then instantly it's over here, and the sort of way they explained it, put it on my level to understand it, and to me it proves that there's a God, because it's an instantaneous travel that we don't quite comprehend. Now is their friction involved, and that's where they, when they see these blobs out there that are floating around, that are lit up.

I've had several people tell me about that, and there was one incident where they surrounded a group of our aircraft, and it was, there, and a lot of them deal with nuclear weapons.

“It seems that we're around some nukes, we've had, I always remember, I went in and it's been”

a long time since you had a man bun, so I'm going to knock on this, had this bureaucrat with a dead-gum man bun, telling me, "I asked him about a certain incident," and he said, "We don't have data points on that congressman," and I said, "Well, what about this deal?" And he said, "I don't know what you're talking about," and I said, "Well, Google it, everybody in the world knows about, we had a nuclear power plant that had these things fly over, and

the dead-gum thing shut down." I mean, it's been documented, it has been documented, unequivocally, and then you have members of a congressman where they said it didn't exist, and I'm good, and I'm like, "No, no, I'm sitting here reading these officers that are obviously, very, I read people, and God gives us all a gift, my gift is reading somebody, and I was reading these military

officers, and you know, they had the full insight, they had all of it, you know, they'd been serving for a while, and some of them had done some things, and I could just sit there reading them, they're thinking, "This little twarp right here beside me, I'd choke him out if I could." You know, I mean, they were just like, they were angry, no, not at me at him, yeah.

At him, because they wanted to tell something, and this was a Biden appointee, and, you know, it just, and that's a lot of the times, we were, I was in one situation, I'll just

call it, where they sent somebody in, basically just a disrupt, you know, to throw at a witness,

and that witness just, it was like a, he was like a pro ball player hitting table, man, he was just knocking him out of the dead gum park, every quays, and what about, and he gave a date, and he said, "Oh, you're talking about this incident, well let me tell you what happened there," and he would go through everything, and it was, it was beautiful, it was beautiful, and then he got disgusted and ended up leaving the meeting, and, you know, and

that's, they send people in to disrupt, they're just not going to turn, and I don't know with the fact that, and the corruption in Washington, DC, is not like it used to be, you know, it's not like, "Oh, I got a picture of you sleeping with some hooker over an Istanbul," you know, "Oh, my copies, I want to take it to my buddies," I mean, that's

“about the, that's about what you'd get now, but what it is now is, I think, is that some”

members have a family member or a wife and/or girlfriend that could work for one of these groups, and they're told, "Hey, you want to keep that gum job, or you want these pictures to come out, or whatever, you need a little help here, and then they go disrupt and come into the committee meetings and ask ridiculous questions to try to get a partisan fight going, and maybe some of them do it unbeknownst to them what they're being told to do, but

they do it because they're just lap dogs." So there's a strategy where they have a bunch of people that they sort of compromise has disruptors, and they, and they are compromised, exactly, that's the word. I was on a, and I'm going to say another one, I was on the Benny show early when he was early on, and I was talking to Johnson. Yeah, yeah. And so he's been very kind to me, and so he asked me about, "How do they do it?" And I said, "Well,

they used to just think, "The honey pot." You know, you'd go to some, you go, "I never

go on trips." The only trip I've ever been on a co-dale was to the border down here, and Texas, and I went down for one day, flew down here, saw the border, saw the people coming

I stayed in a room that my buddies at the Frat House would have probably asked for our money

“back in, and it was pretty rough. You know, got some good barbecue though. But anyway, so these”

guys go on these trips, and say you're setting out the bar. I mean, you're a good looking guy. Some girl comes up to your some guy, whatever your interests, whatever your proclivities are, and laughing at your jokes. And, you know, next thing, you know, you're up in the bedroom, naked with them, and then you think, "Man, I pulled off the great, I pulled this off, I was just smoked, show, and my wife and kids don't know about it, and I'm just going to,

you know, just between me and the Lord." And then, you know, you're getting ready to make a keyboat. And one, a staffer comes up or a lobbyist or something, and you're in the hall and says, "Hey, Congressman," said, "Yeah, man, how's it going?" He said, "He got this big boat, yeah, but I'm not for you all on this one." Okay, we understand. He said, "Hey, we're even a motel room in Istanbul with a pretty red head one time." And they say, "Man, I don't want that out of the wreck, my boy,

“we don't want it out. We don't, we just need your help." And that's how they sink their claws into”

you, they used to. And they might do that now, but I was on the Benny's show and I was talking about that. Oh, man, I caught it. I mean, his leadership and members meant, "Everybody thinks we're sleeping or I'm saying I didn't say everybody, I just said some of y'all are." I said, "You know, don't, and every day you can, there's a new one getting in trouble, so it's not a big secret. 435 of us." So, you get that 435 people, you're going to have a few freaks in there.

435 group of any human beings. Especially, you know, if you can compromise a man with beautiful women, that's not that hard to do. If they're gay and they don't want it out in their public or whatever. So, I said this to Benny and then I caught it. And then about a week later, a week later. And I said, "It's probably the Chinese, the Russians, or something. I busted a Chinese prostitution ring." And what did they list as their clientele?

lobbyist, government, employees, and politicians. Of course. And then what happened the next week? That story went away. And Benny does this thing. He showed me walking out and he, like, I thought, "Well, match." And then whatever behind me, just burst into flames and I'm walking out. You know, it's really cool. And he also did a song of me singing "Dad Guam," which is my cuss, "I don't cuss," I say "Dad Guam," and he did that. But anyway, but that was my point.

Is that they use this stuff. And they know what we want. They, you know, these guys, these countries, they know, they own the internet. So they know what porn you look at at you in the privacy of your home, that you think you're, you know, you got this private name on your freaking computer, and they know,

“you know, and so that's what they're going to hit you with. So anyway, that's a long story. But it's,”

I think, mostly, it's just jobs now. Mostly jobs and influence. Yeah. Well, you think about, you get a dirt bag. You're going to get into sleep with some hooker. You know, that's going to happen, you know, eventually, too. But I just don't, I don't know, it's that prevalent. And I had a lobbyist tell me one time. He was, his name was Tom Hensley. He was the golden goose. He was the liquor lobbyist in National Tennessee. And he was a caricature of what a lobbyist is. He'd three-piece suit,

big old cowboy boots, smoke in a cigar. And we were at the crown plos. And he liked me because I never

would vote for his liquor bills, but I never would vote for a tax on a meter. So we were there, and the guy from the governor's office came and just chewed both of us out. You know, just treated me. I'm a legislator and he was treating like a dog. And he goes to sit and make her and he had that fancy Jack Daniels black libel or whatever it is that the fancy version of it is because he represented Jack Daniels made in Tennessee. And he pulls that big $5 cigar out loud and goes, "Burch it."

He goes, "Governor's coming, go, but the old goose will be sitting right here." And he said, I said, "Well, what are you going to do? Is he going to shut you down, man?" All these, you're going to tell these people stuff. He goes, "Burch it." I just need one chairman. I don't need the whole, in one body of the house. You know, in the house of the Senate, I just need one chairman

that'll listen to me. And he wasn't saying, he never did anything crooked in front of me and he never

offered me any bribes or anything. But that was a good lesson to learn as a young man when I was in the state legislature. Well, if you just think about how much money Congress people wind up leaving office with, just that alone is incentive to play ball. I mean, you don't mean, you don't think we're making 16,000 percent on our own knowledge. I got my daughter called me as, "Wow, back and said that." And she's super smart. She's

doing anything. She's going to be a veterinarian doctor on brain surgeon. She's crazy smart. I'm married my wife and a doctor. My wife was a widow. So genetically, she's not mine. But when she gets into trouble, my wife says, "That's all you timber." But she's a exceptional little girl. And she said, "Dad, I think I'd just like to cut hair." And I was like, "Right on, girl,

my $11,000 portfolio, which was a mutual fund, because I think, I don't know any individual stocks.

“But I think that members of Congress ought to do that. That was my bill. More people have played”

professional baseball than have ever been in Congress. It's a very tight and I tell people, if you don't get off that dead gun plane and look at that capital and get chill bumps, you can get your butt back on that plane and go home, because we don't need you there. And everybody knocks on Pelosi, and I know that. But out of the top 10, you know where she is, and the amount of trades, where she out, number 11. She's not even in the top 10 days.

Well, she should get a better PR person. I know. It's crazy because everybody uses her as an example.

I know, but she don't care. I mean, if you were making 16,000 percent, would you care?

Oh, I would be a little concerned that someone would come from me. Ah, she's all right. Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal. That's the most bizarre. Oh, it's not right. It's not right. But it's it's legal. And I just said, look, you cash out everything, you put it in a mutual fund. And I know they got this bill. And everybody's all fired up for it. And I'm not, I don't know what I'm going to do about it.

I'm being a bill. And they got a new bill. They don't like my bill. My name is Luna's bill that says that you can't own individual stocks. It's just don't a mutual fund. They're going to let you keep your portfolio. So, I mean, some of these cats got a $20 million

that gun portfolio. They made $170,000 a year, which is amazing. Yeah. Imagine the average person out there,

making $100,000, $70,000 and all of a sudden, they make $100 million. And stock market, and we're involved, just, and I, not all of them are crooked. Some of them are, they are geniuses. I've been in Congress for some real geniuses. But, you know, if you see, I gave you a case in point. All right. And I said this many times and nobody's come after me and said, you know, they told me to quit saying it, but I don't care. I got a bad gun first to me, but I don't care. They can't, they come to

knock, he used to see and try to beat me. But, but they, um, if, uh, uh, I forgot what I was saying,

“now I'm lost my mind. I guess that's part you have to cut out. Oh, no, we were talking about”

insider trading. We're talking about the amount of money that people generate. That's where we're at. We're talking about buildings. Someone's a genius. Really good at it. Yeah, I'm kind of, I can't forget it. I've got so many one liners in my head, Joe. I should have wrote and all these down. But anyway, um, they, they all, not, not all of them are crooked. Some of them are, are really are that good. I'm sure. But, oh, I know what it was. It was, it was, um,

when Russia invited Ukraine. I haven't voted for a dime for that. It's not our dad gunmore. I don't, I keep keep keep my dollars here. We need to defend our own dad gunborders. Well, Joe Biden for better for worse gave Ukraine basically our missile defense system. So immediately, we had to replenish our missile defense system. Now, who do you think owns stock in that and those missile defense systems? Members of Congress. You know, members of Congress. And apparently,

some of them, I'd bought it. It, it barely close to those time periods. And so, I don't know, are they doing something crooked? I don't, I mean, that you can't prove it. Well, it's not crooked. They know things that would help them. And I just, they know things are wrong. Remove all reproach.

And if you, if you've got a $20 million portfolio or whatever, some probably have more than that,

you know, good and dad gunmore, you're going to vote. It's in the back of your mind. You're going to vote to make my, my investment worth a little more. Yeah. So the possibility of financial windfall would probably make people play ball. Which makes sense. Which makes sense. I mean, here we go. You got, you got guys that pair that are, that, you know, they've got, they got expenses at home. We got a couple of kids in school, got payments on a house, you know,

and $177,000 on goes far as it used to, I guess. And they, just human nature, you want more. People want more. They, they want, you know, whatever it is. And a lot of times, it's not them investing. It's their, you know, their wife or their spouse. Yeah. In the same cases for that, we're, you know, 16 year old kid is doing pretty well. Right. And it's a child of someone who has some insight in information. There's something that just came out yesterday about Rokana.

This guy Kevin base on Twitter posted this big long, he, this examination of his stock trades and how much money he's made and how he's made it and what he's done. There's, I mean, it's just

“all over Congress. Let's, you have inside information. That's what it is. That's this ending. I know,”

Rokana. But, you know, I don't know if it's true. Yeah. I don't mean, yeah, you could pull it up if you want, Jamie.

but he made this very detailed post about it. But, I mean, that's just one example of one person

“who's profited. I'm sure it's probably minor in comparison to the other 11 that are ahead of Nancy Pelosi.”

I sleep on my couch in my office and I shower in the gym. I don't have a place, I can't afford it. It's too expensive up there. I was, I don't know. I got elected with a guy one time and he said,

when we got elected, he said, "Hey Bertie, I just paid $1.2 million for this place. What do you

think?" And I know he was just bragging to me, you know, because I had no way I could get something like that. And he said, and I said, "Well, probably in a couple of years, I'm going to say, I can't believe you only paid $1.2 million for it because I've got the price of that real estate up there. It's just crazy. It is crazy." And it's a rich man's gang. It's really a rich man's gang. And the problem with being a round-rich man is even if you're rich, you don't feel like you're rich,

if you're in comparison to them. And so, if you're worth a couple million, and this guy over here's worth 50, you like, damn, I got to up my game. I got up my game. And you're in this sort of culture, this culture of a bunch of people that are investing a bunch of money and making a bunch of returns. And I'll tell you one, it was a public meeting. I remember it was in transportation. It would dealt with some technology and an airport. It was pretty cool. And I just asked the question,

I said, "Is that as your stock publicly traded?" I looked. I was watching people see what they did, and they'd all looked up. You know, and I thought, "No, to self, call my broker when I walk out of here."

“It's just very odd that that has been legal for so long. That's what's very odd. It's disgusting.”

And all we're here's what we're going to do. We'll pass some bill in the Senate,

it'll pass another bill or a phone just won't take it up, which is where we're seeing a lot of now. You don't take anything up and it'll die. And we'll all go back back to our people and say, "Oh, look, I tried to do this. I voted for this bill, but you know, I didn't get a, I didn't get a dead gum break." You know, and look out tough, we are. And you know, and they're all be up at Kenny Bunkport, sip an expensive one, and toast in each other on their great financial choices.

That's where Bush is from, right? I don't know. That's so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and they're from Kenny Bunkport, Maine. Yeah, I just threw that one out. So in puts, I could think, "Murdle Beach South Carolina for somebody like me would be pretty cool." So one of the things about this disclosure thing, the documentary age of disclosure, and you're in that. It's really great. If you haven't seen it, folks, and you're interested in the UFO phenomenon, one of the fascinating

aspects about age of disclosure is you got all these insider people that are all talking about all these different experiences that people have had and all the stuff that people know. And once subject came up that made a lot of sense, and it was that if there have been back engineering programs, and they've had access to all this technology, and they've had crashed vehicles and biological entities, and they've been all these programs studying this for so long. They had that funding.

So if they had funding, that means they had a lot of Congress. So if they had a lot of Congress, there's misappropriation of funds. So you're talking about massive fellow felonies. So if they don't have some sort of amnesty, and this is one of the things that's pushed throughout this entire documentary, is that we need some kind of mass amnesty. I'm a very skeptical person. I see something like that. I'm like, "Okay, I see what you're doing." You are talking about UFOs,

so you can get some sort of amnesty for misappropriation of funds, and that might just be straight up fraud. There might be fraud and theft, and you might have moved money into offshore accounts, and there's a bunch of shady shit, and you could say, "Oh, but we'll tell you some very

obscure information about UAPs." I don't like that term, because it was always UFOs.

“UFOs have a misdirection. I hate that term. Why do we need a new name?”

We already have that. Name forever. Let's call it it. UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me it feels sanitized, but if they can give you some fucking semi shady information, now you've got amnesty. Now you've got amnesty, and you've got amnesty for decades of misappropriation of funds. So maybe some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is really back-engineering programs. Maybe they really have been doing these things, and maybe they can give us slowly

trickle down some insight as to what's going on. It'll probably take forever if you ever get anything out of it. But in the meantime, all these people that have made who knows how much money in shady ways with all this misappropriation of funds, and now they're not in trouble anymore.

It's a way you need to go about that, and he can't, he's try to get it attached to bills, and

we just won't allow it. They won't allow it, or they put it on and kill it and send it, it's the same old gang go. Yeah, fourth. So then the other problem that's brought up in Egypt's closure is, say if you do have a retrieved craft from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever it is, from the ocean, whatever it is. And you need to study this thing, where are you bringing it to? Most likely you're going to bring it to a weapons manufacturing company.

100%. And so if you do that, what about the other companies? They don't have access to that, well then they can sue. They can widen and I get access to that sort of technology. Why does this person? You've damaged my business, or you know, what have you? And also people probably lied

under oath about whether or not those things exist, or what, where they got certain technologies.

I mean there's a bunch of different reasons why you could see why logical reasons, why you could see why they would try to put the brakes on disclosure and try to put some blockades up and try to obfuscate and make things much more difficult to get through. I agree 100%.

“And that's why I think these folks disappearing and dying and expected layer.”

Yeah, or delivering some of those messages. Yeah, it's, and members of Congress will, you know, several of the people that have been involved that are really heavily into it now, they were real skeptics. We kind of brought them in. I needed some skeptics. It couldn't just all be a bunch of folks that thought like I did. And they're now not skeptics. Can you give me some examples? Oh, like how that happened? Yeah, well we had a committee meeting, and um,

yeah, my buddy, Erick Burlson, for instance, he was he was skeptic. And, um, and I mean, I'm a skeptic a lot of it myself, but I just have been studying for sidad game along. And he, um, you know, he, he was in the committee and, and he's asking very poignant, sharp questions, which is what you're supposed to do in a hearing. And, um, he, you know, he's, he's one of the biggest advocates now for total release of every, of everything,

metaphase. He's always at the forefront of writing legislation when we're doing something. We're always

me, Ham and Luna, um, Jared Mosquitz, and the, and on the Democrat side is involved in it a lot. And, you know, and, and other members will come in and say, hey, I want to be right into this committee or whatever, which means they can come on when we do the UFO stuff. But nothing really had the impact is that first committee meeting. And I told people at the end of it, I was recognized at the end, I said, the one thing about, and Nancy Mice, of course, she's involved with as well.

And one thing, um, at the end, I said, you know, I just want you all to know that people do believe you. This is not some crazy, far out thing, and you all have a right to be skeptical and, and, and ask questions to your government and get these answers. Because we're not going to give it to you without, without y'all, without y'all being there and raising these questions. Well, there's too many stories from too many credible people, too many people like Ryan Graves,

too many people like Commander David Fraver, there's too many people that, you just go, I don't know why this person would lie about this one thing. Can I, can I tell you one that I got on, um, I was in the state legislature with a guy, and, um, and he was watching, um, unknown aliens or something, and they, they filmed me a one time, and they used you for like three years. Oh, ancient aliens? I didn't. I'm sorry. That's so great. I love that show. I love those guys.

They're all right. I love it. I love it. Shout out to Jorgio. Yeah. Jorgio Sucalo's crazy here.

“I love that guy. He's, I think he's Greek. I need to get him an oxal for, for the Greek festival.”

But anyway, he'd be a rock star there. But so, um, uh, again, we're, you know, I'm losing my, I trained a thought here, Joe. I don't even smoke weed, and I'm losing my trained a thought. What were we talking about here? I hope you edit some of this, because I'm not an idiot. And we're talking about disclosure. Oh, yeah. It's going to be okay. Things that people see. Yeah. Yeah. I've studied about those people. I'm, I pick up the phone, and buddy of mine says,

"Tim Boe," and I reckon as a boy said, "Hey, brother, what are you up to?" We were in the state house together. He said, "I just saw you on ancient aliens." And I said, "Okay." And I thought here it comes. You know, you've been probally, you know, either you get that stuff from something as gals and Congress. And he said, "Counté a story." And I said, "Sure, buddy." And his voice kind of got quiet. And I remember, he hollered it.

“It's like, he said, "Hey," he said her name. And he said, uh, when, what year was that?”

It was when he was in the Navy. And she said it was, and she gave the date. It was, I think, in the 50s. And he was out on a boat. And I don't know, you know, battleship from an aircraft carrier. But anyway,

that where the subs could launch nuclear weapons. And they were all out on the deck.

“And all of a sudden, it got, there's just a cloud over him. He said, "He looked up and he saw this humongous”

saucer in the air." And he said, "He said, "Timbo," he said, "If that thing wasn't too block." If that thing wasn't too block's long, I'll kiss your butt." And I said, and he described it to me. You know, he said, "He gave the color." And he, it was, the classic saucer. He said, "There was lights coming out of portals around it." And he said, "It made no noise whatsoever." And it just sit there and hovered. And they just looked up at it. And then it just went, it just went straight

up. No noise. No nothing. No anything. And, um, you know, just like, "What the heck was that?"

You know, and so, when they get back to port, the guys and the suits come on, the, you know,

the so-called men in black, I just, they're to spokes, CIA, or something. And told them, I said, "This is a national security to talk about this. We'll, um, you'll be in Leavenworth, the rest of your dad got him alive, he's busted in rocks." And back then, you know, nobody, the cell phone wasn't invented. Al Gore had invented the internet. Well, there was a,

“it had been in the, uh, the fifties, there are light fifties, light fifties. I believe are early”

sixties. So, and then, but he gave me some descriptions. And after this came out, I mean, my phone, though, every day, when this started breaking, I would get somebody would call me and send me pictures of something, you know, that's like a reflection or something, you know, and I'll come out to my house and I'm afraid I was going to open a freezer in North Carolina or something, you know, me somebody's dinner. And I was like, "I don't want to go out there to look at it.

Just send me a picture of it." And every day, but then I get, I got to call for my guy who was Air Force and I, I, I, I go Google and I'm easily legit. And he told me about a, um, deciding he had, he was out, um, either out fishing, um, in Florida. And, and it was near where one of the military bases was. And this thing, and he described exactly what my buddy had saying. And this was, he saw this in the, um, think the early 80s and, uh, late 70s. And he described

this craft that was just hovering. And it was just going along. And these, you know, it was just going on a pretty good click and he said these jets were trying to keep up with it. He could tail by the, you know, because he's an Air Force guy. And he was an officer. And, um, it was a legitimate and I've since read the story that he told. But, um, but it was, it was strangely identical in the,

“in the, the color, the, you know, the texture was, it was out and off gray, I believe. And, um,”

and, but it didn't really matter, but it was just the same one that they said could have been shark trees for Alano. But they, um, but the, the, the size and the, uh, uh, circumference and they, um, the, the dome on top and the port holes and just everything was just very, very similar to what this guy had told me about just a few weeks prior. And when you say identical things that people that have no contact with each other, to me that that says something. And with these

pilots, they, they're risking their careers to come forward. And those engineers and age of discovery that come forward. They're, their, their reputations and everything are on the wall. But these aren't rich people. No, they can't just retire. No, and they're good folks. Hang out with them when came, when they had the world premiere, which was something else, me staying at on a red, red carpet. A little out of place in that and at a film festival. Yeah. No, I'm sure I avoid those things.

They're weird. But this, uh, the subject, when you talk about them appearing over bases, appearing over aircraft carriers, appearing over submarines that have nuclear capability, it kind of makes sense that if you were from another planet or you were from another dimension or wherever it is. And you're monitoring what seems to be the most intelligent species in the most capable species on the planet. Right. That when they would get access to something like that,

like all the UFO sightings ramped up considerably after World War II. After we dropped the bombs. We dropped the bomb. Yeah. There was a considerable amount of activity. You know, that's when

Kenneth Arnold first saw those things and talked about them as flying saucers. Kind of flying saucers.

That was at Washington State. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He looked like, say, it looked like stone skip on across. Yeah. So that's where the term first got introduced into the modern world. And then you see so many of them. And then you hear these stories about them going flying over nuclear bases and hovering over and shutting down the equipment. And just the fact that they would hover over that submarine and then take off. Just to let you know, like that's probably what we can do.

and shut down the government and land on the White House lawn and freak everybody out, what better way than to take something that's completely isolated like a submarine in the ocean

“where you know everybody's going to lock everything down top secret and just show yourself and just”

like, hey, bitch, like, we're here. We're here and we are watching everything. So don't do anything fucking stupid. You know, or you talked about that issue or episode, I remember when the

first, I've never been invited back, of course, but the intelligence committee, when they did the

UFO thing. And there was, they had these all these seats and it was an open to the open to the everybody Congress and the press and everybody. And they had all these seats behind these, this white black guy and this black guy who were appointed to oversee the UAP issue, which, and I remembered I thought, I thought, I'm going to get there early, get to see damn front. And I sat right behind those guys and nobody showed up. I was the only member of Congress outside of the members in the, in the,

on the committee in Joe, those guys couldn't spell UFO. I mean, they were intelligent. They were they're, I'm sure they're patriots. It had no clue about anything. So there's questions asked

about certain incidents and we don't know anything about that. You know, and I thought to myself,

that's when the compartmentalization came to, in my mind, how they compartmentalized. It's because to them, they could take a lot of texture to us and say, I don't know anything about it because they are kept away from, it's like they're looking down the barrel, but 22 riflemen. It's just a little bitty area and they don't get outside that area. And they don't ask questions and they don't unless

“they're told. And if you want to keep your career, that's how you have to operate and your”

pension and everything. Yeah, absolutely. It makes sense. That aspect of it makes sense. What doesn't totally make sense is why now disclosure. Other than, I mean, this is being cynical. The Ron Wars not going very well. American public's very upset. A lot of people don't think we should have

ever been involved in that in the first place, and we need some good news. I think we, we need

something to distract us. We need something to take our focus off of, if I was going to do it, now it would be the time I did. Yeah. But I don't think Trump really even cares. I think he just wants to get it out there. Well, I think he does too. You know, he's talked about it. Like, and he's also, I mean, I mean, I don't think he cares about trying to get everybody off, I'll target, you know, by disclosing your phones. I think he cares about all of it. But I don't

think he cares that if you're talking about it or not. I just think he, he genuinely sees that America needs to know this stuff. Well, he also realizes America wants to know it, and he's an outsider. I mean, I mean, though he's the president, he is going to put a lot of ways, he's an outsider. And I mean, this is last term, right? And so it's like, if you're going to, if someone's going to do it, do it. You want to leave a legacy, be the guy who releases all these files and drugs

killing three times. Yeah. So, you know, it's not, and that I know. Did you see that judge that apologize to the guy that, did you see the story? No. Okay. The guy who was at the White

“House correspondent center that shot one of the secret service agents and the guy got arrested,”

the judge who's dealing with the case apologized to him for his treatment in jail. Do you have that, Jamie? See, we can find that. He's just got in some quality stick time. This is another guy. This judge will also released another man who was arrested for threatening to kill Trump. Wow. Trump derangement syndrome. Well, it's ridiculous. The way this guy addressed this man, it's almost as if he was condoning it. Look at it says, the indictment comes

day after the judge overseeing the case against Allen Express grave concerns about how he's being treated in jail and apologized to him in court. You're talking about a guy who showed up with a rifle or a shotgun shot, a secret service agent, obviously in the vest, the guy's okay, but whatever you've been through, I apologize for the prior week, magistrate, judge, Zia Farrukwe, I don't know if I'm saying that right, said during a hearing in Washington DC on Monday,

according to the court documents filed over the weekend, Allen had been in solitary confinement, and all poor boo-boo at the DC jail after being placed on suicide watch. After his arrest in April 25th, his lawyer said that he was housed in a permanently illuminated safe cell with no access to personal items or jail visits, despite repeated assessments showing he did not exhibit any suicide factors. In an order issued on Sunday, uh, Farrukwe wrote that he had grave concerns

about the conditions Allen was being kept in, which he said were seemingly unprompted by the

Monday's hearing. That is really crazy. That is really a crazy thing to apologize for someone

who was trying to, at least assume, you're assuming you're trying to kill the president. I mean, you guys have been programmed to do this. He immediately turns, you know, from one

“way to the other overnight, almost, and this is, and we're seeing this more and more, I think.”

What do you mean the guys have been programmed? I think these people are, um, you mean like MK Ultra type program? 100% really. I think so, but it's a different, you know, MK, you're the expert on it. I'm not really. Well, don't say that. No, no. Yeah, I don't want to get your bump off there. Don't worry about it. Let's see how it starts your car when you walk out there in about 30 minutes.

Right next for it. But, yeah, nothing. But, you know, the CIA, they were grabbing these people up

and giving them, I guess, acid or LSU, whatever, and then programming them, and then they said they weren't doing it, and then they got sued, and they said, oh, we lied. We were doing it, but we're not doing it anymore. No, which time are they not? Here's my thought on this. I think you've got a bunch of people today because of this. It's just open us, open up your head and pour it in, and they can put these things out to people just enough to where they know that there's going to

be a reaction. There's some people, you and I are going to read this stuff. And there's some people they're just going to stay awake at night and just fume. I know people that read stuff and they'll call me and text me and said, can you believe this? And I like, dude, and I live this stuff.

“Cool, out. We're good. We're okay. And I think that these folks, they know who they are and they”

can target them. How many of these people are going to be? Are we going to find that have no internet access, have no history of being on the internet? Right. That Thomas Crooks. Yeah, that's just, I want total BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't, we lied him on the roof and, and then yeah, so they couldn't get snipers on that roof because the slope was too steep. Yeah, we had, we had members of Congress that are older than, I think, Darrell, I said was there. I know a couple other guys were

there too. I mean, he's an older guy. He's older than me. I think he was walking around that on it, you know, and that's bogus. That's totally bogus. They put Trump in a bad position. And

you know, that's the thing you'll never know. You'll never know. There's another thing we should

talk about. There's another thing we should talk about. There's another thing we should talk about. There's a lot of people running around out there saying that that first Trump assassination was a setup and that it was a hoax and that Trump did it to try to get people to be more sympathetic to him. Anybody who says that doesn't know anything about guns now because the shot was from how far was it? Is it 140 yards? Somebody was Jamie? There is not a person on earth that could

nick your ear at 140 yards reliably. Not only that, but miss other shots first, kill someone behind you, shoot another person as well, and just nick his ear. And just by the grace of God, by just ear, luck, he turns his head at the right time and it catches his ear. Okay, 120 to 140 meters or 135 to 150 yards away during the rally. He was positioned on top of an AGR international building which provided a clear line of sight to the stage. Just that alone is a tremendous failure of security. The

fact that they didn't search and look at these buildings that you don't have drones above scanning the area where you have a potential line of sight, a easy shot with someone with a scope. And my buddy, Eli Carrang, he's a sniper and he said, you know, I could have made that shot, you know, because he's a seal sniper in my 100% law cliff as a Marine sniper and he said, I could have probably done it with steel sights, Tim. Well, he did the man have steel sights

and he didn't have steel sights. So he didn't have a scope. And the thing to me is that he got up there

“and people were pointing at him. It was just a complete, is it a breakdown? You think is it a breakdown?”

It's a breakdown if Tim Virges makes into the back of a Leonard Skinner concert and gets close to the stage. That's a breakdown. That to me is a complete capitulation. They put Trump out there and there's people that don't like him. You can say what you want to about programming and things. I just think it's it's out there. I think it is a reality and I think we better people better wake up because they're watching in DCs not a everybody wants to call it a swamp.

Okay, so it doesn't have a scope. It doesn't have a scope. It doesn't have a scope or a doubt. That's a red dot. Okay. I mean, I don't know if it's magnified. It says optics attached to rail, AEMS optics. So I don't know, I don't have to talk to some of my guys out front, but like what kind of a, what kind of a sight that is, what kind of optics that is. I don't know if

and he's got a rifle and it says, yeah, check it out, Jamie. I think that's just the the setup,

“though. I don't think that's actually the, I think AEMS optics, AEMS optics, the optics,”

right about model, modify with the collapsible stock, red dot site. Yeah, so it's a red dot. I don't know if that's magnified. I don't think that's magnified. I don't think that's magnified. I think, yeah, I think that's just like what you get on a pistol. It's just makes it a little bit more accurate. You know, I'd seen pictures of him just walking across the area and you could tell he was carrying something that was fairly long. Well, not was that. He was walking around the site with a rangefinder.

Yeah. Oh, and he, are you playing golf? He'd earlier put it around about, I think. Yeah. So you're not playing golf and you have a rangefinder. You're trying to shoot something. That's it.

It's the only two reasons to use a rangefinder. You're playing golf. Do you an archery

or you're trying to shoot something with a rifle? You know, no other thing. But these guys just keep doing this and I, and I think we're going to have a hearing on that, not on that particular case, but just on what the CIA is doing and how they could do that today. Well, they most certainly can do that today if they could do that in the 1960s. Yeah. There's a fantastic book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. It's all about the man's family. Have you ever read it? I've seen it haven't

read it. It's phenomenal and it's mind blowing. You read it and it all documents Jolly West and the MK Ultra program and what they did with Jack Ruby and they visited Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby went insane and had a complete psychotic breakdown and said

they're lighting Jews on fire and it was like going nuts. Yeah. And it was sane before Ruby visit

visit them. This guy was known to be using LSD on people, unknowing people. They ran operation mid-Di climax, which is where the CIA actually ran brothels. They had two eight mirrors and they had these supposed prostitutes. Give these Johns alcohol that had LSD in it and then they'd monitor them. They were they were doing that with people, unsuspecting people, dosing them up, trying to figure out how and what techniques they could use to manipulate people and to get people to do things

they wanted to do. That's the whole man's and family's all about. And what the man's and family, that what those killings did, the Tate Lobby Uncle murders, what they did was they turned people against hippies. Like people had this idea of hippies being peace and love and like oh it's a new world and everyone's just gonna do acid and hug each other and drop out of us. No, then there's all of a sudden it became no. There's psychotic killers and they're demonic and you know and this is

“what we have to think about. We need to ban all these drugs and that's what they did. And it's kind of”

fascinating that they were able to do that and do that for so long and it wasn't for the freedom of information that requests. And if it wasn't for finding those documents that they found that we're just in storage that detailed all this we wouldn't have any knowledge of this stuff. So I stepped this peers. I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that we have. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. There's probably a ton of those things that have gone on that they successfully hid and they

got sloppy with this and John West seems like it was a completely insane person. And you know how could you not be if you were like running around dosing people with acid. Running fake horror houses. I mean, it's nuts. The whole story is nuts. But the idea that they go, hey, we shouldn't do that anymore. Even though it was successful, that doesn't track. It doesn't track with how anything works. That doesn't track with human nature. It doesn't track without the government works.

The idea that they don't have people right now. And also how many people are voluntarily on psychiatric medication that alters them. And then without any sort of formal program like MK Ultra, just using bots, just using AI, just using people's algorithm to turn them radicalize them in certain ways. Like, of course they're going to do that. Of course they're going to try to figure out what they can do, what they can, how they can shift narratives and one direction or another.

I mean, what they do? And Trump's a threat to their machine. Of course. I don't ever think we're over finding the answer to it. I don't think we're ever going to come forward. And maybe in our lifetime, they might. But by then, everybody will be gone again. Well, where's the toxicologies

“emanation on Thomas Crook's? Let me find out what he was on the way. That's why we made it.”

Yeah, they committed them really quickly. Not only that. Like, why was his place professionally scrubbed? He didn't even have silverware in his house. He had no computers. He had no internet for us. No internet, put printed on. And then they found stuff that led them to believe that maybe he had international accounts. But he didn't have it. You know, it's just constant, constant. And it just happens over, over every course, every time. Not only that, but they documented

multiple times. Why? He's a kid. He's just a young, weirdo kid. And someone's visiting him.

“He's over and over again. Parents were allegedly counselors, I think. And that makes the whole”

thing even that much more mysterious. It's all weird. And we don't have any answers and no one's asking questions. It's like, bye-bye. Go away. You asked the questions, you're still not going to get the answers. Right. I mean, that will be one of those things that 30, 40 years from now, people are going to be reading books about what the hell is going on? It's like the Kennedy assassination. You know, the Kennedy assassination, we had a committee meeting on that. And I asked a question from

this doctor who was in the emergency room, he brought Kennedy in. And he clearly, he brought a lot of poster in to show that clearly that the bullets had come from two different directions. And that was, and said, it had to be two bullets. It could have been a very quick ricochet, obviously. And the whole thing, you know, and no press, nobody covered it. Nothing. They made that was blockbuster news. I thought that would have been. But again, the big boys didn't see fit to put

that out. And there we are. Well, just a magic bullet theory alone, let's shut up. That bullet

“theory. Oh, that gun is called a man-laker carbane. It's a got one, actually. It's, I think,”

got 7.62 Italian. It's called the only gun that never won a war. You could go into a western

auto and bought an M1 with scopes on it and made a much better shot than that thing. I mean, the whole thing just stinks in the gun. They show a holding up in the gun that they had lighter. You know, the whole thing is just screwy and we didn't ask questions back then. Yeah, well, no one had information. So what questions could you even ask? And there's a great book on it called "Best Evidence" by David Lifton. And he was an accountant that was hired to go over

the war and commission report. And he started finding all these inconsistencies and contradictions in the war and commission report. And so then he wrote this book on all the different things that are wrong with the Kennedy assassination and all the different things that we've been told that

couldn't possibly be true. And it's very disturbing, including how many people that were witnesses

that died witnesses at the scene in, you know, in Dallas that died from weird circumstances and the odds of those people dying, car accidents, suicide, murder, robbery. Oh, it's just too strange. And people that can't find anymore that were in those pictures, you know, yeah, they cleaned up a lot of the loose ends. Quick. Yeah. And back then, you know, again,

“you couldn't ask the questions. She didn't have to internet accounts. But I think,”

but nobody's even talking about it. You can't get anybody to bring up anything on Trump getting shot. Or no, other than they put out its fake, you know, it's the fact that I easier hailed itself and all this stuff. I, you know, listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He got shot in the ear. You can see the blood come out right away. It's dripping down the side of his face. And the idea that that's a setup, you cannot be that accurate. It definitely

can't be that accurate with a red dot at 140 yards. You can hit him. You could definitely hit him center mass. No problem. Maybe hit him in the head. If you're really good in your prone, but the nicking is ear like that on purpose and to be there and say, hey, I just want you to nick my hair just a little piece. Like, that's, there's nothing to top. There's not a chance. No way. That's a fake. And the guy behind him's dead. So what are you saying? Do you think that's fake?

Like, that's a setup. Yeah, that's lost his life. Yeah, that's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. But it's just this thing where people hate him so much and the narrative and the media, this Trump derangement narrative that you see in the media is so strong. And people are so programmed by it. And for the average person that has a very involved job, you're working all day. And then you have a family and you have a life and you have a bit, you don't have time to really

go into depth about what's real and what's not real. And you got that Russia collusion stuff shoved down your throat by mainstream media for years. And you believe all of it. 100%. And so you really believe that he's a terrible person, Russian agent. So you want someone to kill him. Yeah, there's, there's a group of folks, young folks that are starting to ask some questions. Yes, you know, my wife's son Tyler, he lives on the farm there with us. And he,

he's been asking me inquisitive questions because he doesn't buy it. And a lot of those kids in that generation, I don't know if it's the Charlie Kirk Effect. I don't know what that is. That's a definitely effect on it because a lot of people don't buy that story either. No. But it's also the internet. The internet has there's enough independent reporters out there that are untied, independent journalists that are untied to any organization that has a narrative,

they're supposed to push. And they're uncovering real information that's screwy. Right. It doesn't make any sense. Well, and also when they do, though, they get, they get trounced upon by the so-called mainstream media. Of course. But they're numbers. I mean, not gosh. I read somewhere

media is just, is diminishing. Well, COVID sunk them. The way they handled COVID and the way they carried water for the pharmaceutical drug industry and the Fauci and the, yeah, Fauci and now he's going to walk. Is he going to walk because there's some talk about him possibly being set up for surgery, but there's only a week to go. So a week to go, I just don't. He'll get a stern letter

“from somebody in Washington. Oh, that doesn't be crazy, man. That's how, you know, the big boys”

you go down to the, the big hardware chain and they were allowing people to go in, but they closed down the little local ones and they closed the churches and the synagogues and everybody down. And then we just all got in line. They just ring the bell and we're like Pavlov's dog. And we just all got in line. I remember at my hospital in Knoxville, one of them, I came out

there, you know, to get tested. I got tested. I can't tell many times I got tested and I never

tested and paused. I've never took the vaccine or any of that, but I can remember coming out there and they had these morgues. They were setting up just an anticipation of what and I just thought, man, this is, if this doesn't work out, this is the ultimate sign up because people are going to get rich off this crazy thing. And they did, you know, we, um, greatest transfer of wealth, unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah. And Congress just did it. We just did it and didn't ask any questions.

Well, it seems like there's a real pandemic right now in this cruise ship. You know about that hint of virus? Yeah. That seems really crazy. And the, and ticks. Watch that thing. The tick thing is nuts. Yeah, especially because of mate, because of gates. Uh-huh. Well, there's bell guys, people are finding, and I don't know if this is true, because I've seen many reports on it, but I'm just going to say what I saw, that farmers and ranchers are finding boxes of ticks.

On their property. Now, I don't know if that's fake. I don't know if someone's setting that up to pretend they found these boxes of ticks. But there's videos of these people finding boxes of ticks. Now, what they'll say is they'll probably say they're sterile ticks, and that we're planning them out there so we can diminish the population is what they'll say. But anytime they try to mess

with the balance of nature, it never goes right. Is that what they're saying? This is not what we're

“scared of. That's what you're getting at right here. I don't believe you have a right to go to”

someone's property. We're off sterile ticks. No way, and that's crazy either way. But I have a good friend of mine who got bit by the loan start tick and has that alpha-gal problem. Yeah, I got came out my house yesterday looking at putting gutters up at our house. And I've got him. He said, I know, so do you good what? He got you. I can't eat anything any mate produced by a mammal. Yes. He's like, yeah. So my buddy, he had it in my friend Evan. So he had it for a little while,

and then he did a bunch of treatments and got off of it and then started eating steak again. And he was fine for about a year and a half, and then it came back stronger than ever. And he just can't shake it. He can't shake it. He can only eat eggs. I mean, he's basically eating

eggs and vegetables. That's always eating. And every time he tries to deviate, he has a horrible reaction.

It makes, for people that don't make sure body allergic to red meat. Right. And who has got genetically made mate now? Yeah. Bill Gates. Yeah. Well, they're doing things with mosquitoes and they're doing, they're messing around with nature in a way that no one's given you permission to. The general public does not want you doing this. They could vote on it. They'd say, no way. You can't-- It's like those, those bagels that they share that value. Hygur up at bagels. Sport number one,

sports number two is dogs. They are the best dogs ever. And my buzz, he's a cavalier mix. But he was-- we think I'm not really sure, but he was a rescue dog. And that board thing had never been on grass. And I see those dogs acting just like poor buzz. He couldn't climb stairs. And he was mistreated. He can't hear very well. And he's the sweetest ad-gum dog though. And those freaking bagels. I just-- I ripped my heart up because there's-- right now I've talked to scientists

in the labs and they're-- everything we can do now we can do in the lab without-- pretty much without cruelty. Without cruelty without, you know, bringing in bagels and white bagels and the whole thing is disgusting. It's disgusting. It's very evil. I mean, look, I don't even like when they do it with rats. Yeah. But doing it with puppies is insane. And then you tonize them after you've forced them to be mistreated. It's horrible. Yeah, he did some evil stuff. He's-- and he lied.

Like clearly lied. I can talk to the American people about transmission, lied to the American

“people about preventing infection. I can remember when I brought him to Congress. And I brought him”

into a meeting I was in. I was in the back and he's a little short guy. And I was like, who that is that? And he said, it's Fauci. And they brought him in and everybody started cheering. I was like, I thought I had a bad vibe on him then. And then you talked to gay folks, you know, he was involved in that. A-A-Z-T. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got a bad feeling towards him. So, I mean, he's the culprit. He's the villain in that movie The Dallas Bios Club. That's about him preventing people from taking

I was in Blent County yesterday for police officers, Moral Service. And officer K. Lenton said,

you know, my child is suffers from a rare disease. And we can't get to this treatment. And can you put a bug in the presence of a shower? You know, we'll try. But in Trump's doing that a lot now with an RFK junior people. They'll try to trash him. And that's fine. He's a tough guy. But he, a lot of those trials now are going forward cancer and other things. Yeah. And that's another reason they don't like Trump. And you talk about, I mean, you got big pharma, you got big agriculture.

And, you know, and a couple others. And they, they run the, they run the table. Yeah. They run the table. And they, I told somebody, you know, and of course, big energy. All, you know, we get zero. I know it's a commodity. And I'm going to get lit up that oils a commodity in it, you know, the world market. But we get zero oil from our hand. Zero. We, we export oil right now. And yet the price is going through the roof. It's gone through the roof because it can. They can.

And I always say, well, how does that gasoline in the pumps go up? It's been in the,

if I've already been processed, already been paid for, how does it go up exponentially just overnight, 20 cents a gallon or whatever? And how does that? And if that's, because it's a commodity in merchant, you don't understand, how come that quarter oil that you, at the hardware store, doesn't go up like that? Wouldn't it, it's processed oil? Wouldn't it do the same? And of course, diesel, it's, your first cut I think is carousine. And then it's diesel. And diesel, and I've got

a diesel daily. I've filled it up yesterday, is over $100. You know, it is the cheapest, it is the roughest cut.

“You know, that's why you have these credible filters because it's dirty.”

And gasoline is the third or fourth cut. And it ought to be the most expensive, but it's not. I just think it's a racket. And every time they, they'll hold the hearings and they'll come down there and, and, you know, and the old companies will, you know, they'll shake that money tree. I think I had to do both sides of the aisle. It happens all the time. I remember when Bush was leaving office before Obama took office, where gasoline just went through the, through the roof,

the private, everybody was freaking out and no one could explain it. And it was just, I was like, look, they can, this is like the last chance they can to just jack up the prices, jack up the profits, hold everybody hostage, you have to get gas, you got to drive to work. Got an old man in the White House. Yeah. And they just jacked it up. It's pay off time. Yeah. I just, it is, and on, and I'm a capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist.

I'm like skateboards. And I make skateboards? Yeah. Yeah. It's cheaper than the psychiatrist. I go, I guess I'm a little bit like Trump. I like ketchup on my steak. Although I think he gets

“his well done. I get nine medium rare. But you put ketchup on your steak. You should go to jail.”

There's a Baptist church. Got a bus. That's too simple. I do. And it's not terrible. No, I make skateboards. So I make this crazy skateboard for, um, for, um, Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of mine. She's, she's, she's kind of a lover. I love her. I love her too.

She is wonderful. And she's from Hawaii. So in Trump's first, there it is. Okay.

I made that skateboard. You're a big foot skateboard. Yeah. I put my sticker on it. It's made out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers, off the banana plant. Oh, wow. And um, and she, she outs me during the, um, Trump's first, there's my guys at Pluto sports. They put my wheels and trucks on. It's just, uh, their guys. I was in high school with, um, but anyway. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't do the fancy stuff. 50 tricks and not anymore. I'm 61. Dude. I don't heal like I did when I was 51.

Much less than I was a young man. You only a few years older than me. Well, you look good. Thank you. Sorry, man. I'm just, you know, people think I'm on steroids. But I'm naturally this huge. But anyway, so, so you see, it tells me she says barchet. I said, hey, tell me. She says, she's walking in here to stay to the union cameras. People are around. Where's my dad comes

“skateboard? My birthday's next month. I'm like, oh, so I'm making this skateboard, right?”

And that picture comes out. I mean, people all over the world are saying, where can I get a barchet board? Where can I get a barchet board? So, I'm mister, you know, I'm trying to be ethical and, you know, and I go down to see the ethics guy in this little attorney tells me he says, well, Congressman, you know, you got to, you can't do that. You can't call it a barchet board. You can't, you know, I said, well, my wife's got on the company. And they think, well,

maybe, and then you, but you can't work there and all this other stuff. And then you know, everybody down there's got a side hustle. Right. And I've said, dude, so you're telling me I can do insider stock trading, but I can't sell a dead-gum skateboard. And then you guys said, that's correct. So anyway, I got about 35 skateboards in my barn. I just keep making it. And I call my attorney

by hand. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I have, that's pretty cool. I make them, I'm cheap. But so I

make them out of a bamboo that I cut, buddy, my Chris Poenner's got a bunch at his house. But I, I go to the synagogue, behind the synagogue on Kingston Pike, there's a bunch of bamboo, and they used to let me cut it. Now that when this airs, they probably won't. But, um, and then I, I get oak pallets. And, um, in banana fibers, they grew off the banana plant. So, but anyway, I grew the lemonade at all. Yeah. Well, I used fiberglass with that. And I'm trying to get away from the

carcinogens, you know, the cancer causing. So, I use a tight mong three glue. It's waterproof and water based. And then, um, and then I just sand them all down. And because, you know, you scuff them up after you're riding them around anyway. So, anyway. So, I might come out of that and I'll amenate the wood. And, um, my local, the steel labors. Um, they needed a project one year when I was mayor of Knox County. And I, and somebody said, I, they want to, these guys want to make a skateboard

press. It said, do you want one? I said, yeah, I'll buy the metal. And I'm thinking, you know, they're going to build me this little thing. No. I mean, it's like three burly union metal workers have to put this thing in the back of my dad got him pick up truck. It is a monster. And it, um, and I can press them. But, um, and I've got clamps. I do all of it. But, anyway. That's pretty cool. Yeah. But I can't sell them. That's, my wife's like, what are you doing out there? And I said,

well, come out there and look at my boards. Any, I'm making skateboards. And I'm like, I said,

and she always, that's one I, that's this one I laminated up. But, um, it's side laminated. But,

“that's what I always say. Honey, you go to it. She says, I'm sure they laughed at the guy that”

created the pool noodle. That's her line. Holy thing. Um, probably, right. He's a Joe. Yeah, yeah, it's just a piece of insulation off some old rental house and he threw it in the, his kids were swimming with. And I thought, I don't know, take that 12 cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart and sell for six dollars a piece. Now, he's probably sitting on some aisle and somewhere laughing at us. But, no, I'm like, oh, man, I've been trying to,

anyway, it's very frustrating. I got a meeting with the attorneys and the chairman of the ethics committee who is a really good guy. You know, I came to Congress together and we're trying to work it out. So, it's not even like, it's a lot of money and hand-made skateboards. Like, no, I'm in the fact that you could have inside of trading. You can't sell hand-made skateboards. That's ridiculous. A little ridiculous, isn't it? It's also, it's like, what? Because your famous,

because you're on television. Well, he's going to, yeah, I was going to sway my vote because

“they bought a dad-gum skateboard for him. Yeah, I took one to an auction and, um, and I think”

somebody paid $5,200 for one of those days. Whoa. And then some other gas that comes up and says, "Damn, I was at the bar and I missed it." If I give him $5,200, you might be one. So, I got a couple and then my friends in Clyburn County, um, the mountains up there. They, um, they, uh, they chair the committee and they asked me, and I thought I was making one. And then I got out of there. I was making three. So, I don't know. And then I, uh, your people just like them.

And they put them on their wall. I mean, you know, you're not going to be in the Olympics with Tony Hawks, I'm going to go, "Hey Tim, bro, you, you make me a board?" You know, but it's, it's just for cruising down the sidewalk kind of thing. That's awesome. That's awesome. It sucks that they won't let you sell it though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You sell yourself, but I can't sell us skateboard. Speaking of selling, um, you were telling me earlier before we started, and I said, "Save this,"

“because I want to talk about this later. Yeah. That the Taliban gets how many millions of dollars a week?”

About $40 million a week. Um, it all happened. I was on a, um, uh, uh, podcast, and they were talking about it, and, um, Sean Ryan, and he had, I love that dude. Yeah. Great American, I love him. Good man. He's, he's a good Christian man. He's been through it. You know, he's an incredible guy that they've asked to do horrible things. And people like that, I give them a wide path. I let them slide on a lot of things, but he's, he's a good daddy, and, um, you know, he just, and he, he worries

about our country. He reminds me a lot of my dad, because that was, you couldn't wait my dad up,

to the day dad, over the top of him, always buys big toe, because he might wake up on one of

those islands. Ooh, pin me against the wall. Right. He's Marine on Peleu and Okinawan. Yeah. Daddy's Colonel was a guy named Chester Puller, Colonel Puller, and you can look him up. He was a Marine court legend, but, and my daddy loved him. But, um, anyway, the, um, I'm, I'm on this podcast, with Sean, and he says, "Hey, I want you to, do you see Eli Krain, he's a, he's, uh, excuse me, Navy seal and Congress." He said, "I want you going this podcast with Sean Ryan." I said, "I don't

know who Sean Ryan is. I don't, I'm not a podcast guy. I don't, my daughter always, give me your phone." You know, I don't know how to do it, and all of a sudden, I got a cool picture of her on there. I don't even know how she did it. But, so, I'm on there, and, um, and he calls me and says,

but, um, he, um, he comes up, he comes into the office, and he has to, he can't use his real name.

And, uh, and says, "Look, they're getting $40 million a week." I said, "Holy, as he said, the Taliban."

And he's, uh, he's, um, Afghani, it fought for us. And so, he's dual citizenship. Introdu, you know, talk to the, you know, last, democratically elected president of Afghanistan through him on a, on a call, and, um, and he's a dear friend. And he comes by all the time, and we talk, and, and so, John Stout, in my office, who's like, he's the best. I mean, this guy, his mom and daddy were in a very tragic car accident, and they, um, they prayed through it, and they both lived.

I mean, daddy had to get, you know, his, his banged up, his mom was head, got banged up pretty bad, and John's just, he's, he is the quintessential staffer because he's so loyal and he loves this country.

“And so he said, "Boss, I think I got an idea." I said, "All right." So he figured out this monitoring”

thing where what they do is they, um, they sent, they sent palettes of cash to him through whatever, and they, uh, there's three banks, and, um, over there that are owned by the Taliban. And everything goes through them. You know, the Lord takes 10% with tithe, but the Taliban takes a hell of a lot more, they take it right off the top and on ingress and egress. If you give them money or take money away, if you spend money or put money in or whatever, you take in or pay out, they get their

cut off of it. Every dad gum time. And so, I'm thinking this can't be right. So, I got a memo on my desk from the State Department. It's stamped classified. So I can't talk about it, but then it's stamped unclassified under it. So I can't talk about it. And it basically said under the Biden administration,

they think we gave them $5 billion with a B, $5 billion dollars. Now, uh, and you've got NGOs.

“Now how many NGOs you think operate at a, out of there? Over there. Over a thousand. And then you”

throw in the United Nations. And we out of Afghanistan. Yeah, it's just a thousand NGOs. It's a freakiness. It's a biggest scam. NGOs. I wrote a letter to the president once ago and I'm, they've tapped the brakes on the NGOs. I mean, some of them don't have any money and some of them got a lot. But Elon Musk told me, like I really know. I mean, I hung out with him a couple times and we taught called me Tim, which I thought was pretty cool. But he says, uh, he says, Tim, here's how

these NGOs work. He said, you know, they start out as a good organization. It might be during Bush, Warner Bush, too. You know, a lot of those limousine liberals do good or, you know, they start these organizations. And they, um, they set them up and, and to do, you know, feed the starving children or whatever. Well, they don't have any money in them. And some billionaire who we could,

“we all know, you can just name them. They'll drop a million in one of those. And then this”

unelected bureaucratic Washington D.C. says, hey, they got a million dollars. This place is legit.

And so they give them money. They put the money in there for them. And then they start running federal money through that yours and my tax dollars. And he told me he thinks they stole over a trillion dollars. And I thought, at the time, I thought that was crazy. But then I started looking at, you know, what happened in a mini app, Minnesota, 19 billion. Joe, when I went to the state legislature, our state budget of Tennessee was 19 billion dollars, years ago. So it's a lot

more than that now. But that's the amount of fraud and waste and abuse that go on. Well, so back, backtrack to this deal. So I get involved with it. And, and, and it's just unbelievable. It took me to, I passed the bill twice. And the second time my buddy John Stout now office there, he comes up with even stronger version. And so we send it to the Senate. And so we find out that there's a Senate staffer that somebody said he's like the unofficial ambassador to Afghanistan.

He's literally read where he said it seems appears to me complimentary things about the Taliban. Now, those people want to kill us. They'll, as I like to say, they'll hate us for free. We don't need to give them any money. Well, it's like pull, it's like pulling teeth through my committee. The Democrats raised Ruckus. And because obviously, they don't want anybody looking at those NGOs. And the NGL money, now get this. It might be a little bit ghost to feed some starving

kid. But a lot of it gets washed. And it goes back to the good old United States of America. Are you familiar with dark money in campaigns? Yes. You know, you're, and I'll folks back home the day before the election, the people for American justice approved this ad.

And never apologized. That's what happened. You know, and then paid for by the people for America

justice. You know, and then, but what's happened is, is that money that you're sending over there

“is coming back in the former dark money? And we've got, and I think both parties are involved”

with it at some point. I think the Democrats have had a run of it. And they've, they've got it pretty much closed. They've got a pretty good market going on in my opinion. And there are probably some Republicans. I think I know of that are that have some dark money too. And not necessarily from this, but from other things. And then you start talking about the UN. The UN has got. And everybody, so as you in, Birchett, we don't have the, the heck, we don't. We sponsor the freaking

you. And if it's up to me, I'd pull out of the dead gum you in. And they are nothing. All they do is get Americans killed. They, they, they talk ugly about us. And they take our dead gum money. And we let them do it. Because crooked politicians are in bed. Washington is crooked as a dog like Joe. And this, and this bill makes them report it and, and, and, and follow the money. So we know where it's going. And if it's going to the pal, Taliban, it's out. And so it just explained to

“me how they would justify sending money to Taliban. And what, what is, what is the circumstance?”

They, they justify by saying it doesn't happen. They justify by saying it doesn't happen. But I'm talking to a guy that's got a legend who's got people on the ground. And the people over there, the freedom, they're saying, please quit sending a money, please. And, you know, when we left over there, you know, we left how many billions of dollars worth of, of armaments on the ground, they said, Oh, you know, I mean, I heard Democrats saying, well, those people can't fly those

high-end choppers. Well, you know, who could the dead gum Chinese who were on the ground before, we got out of there. So it's, it's just a crooked game. It's a small portion. I know, but explain, how's the money getting to them? Okay. It is sent to them through these NGOs and other organizations. And so, so we fund the NGOs. Correct. The NGOs send money to Taliban. Why, why would they do that? Come, they get a cut off of it. They don't care. Okay. So the Taliban

gets 40 million and then they send that money back. Some of it comes back and some of it doesn't.

But as long as they get a piece of it, they don't care how much the Taliban gets. Right. Right. Right. This requires a report on any cash assistant programs in Afghanistan and how the U.S. keeps the Taliban from assessing that. And it requires a report on the Afghan fund and the Afghan Afghanistan central bank. And these reports, of course, would shed light on the Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan central bank. And you can, um, you can research it. A lot of it is,

is these do good or programs. You know, oh, man, we're taking care of the orphans. We're taking care of this. And you know, good and well, man, taking care of any dead gum orphans. They're stealing the money to do it. And it just infuriates. And then I hear them say, well, it's not happening. I see, well, it's not happening. And then dead gum it passed the bill. What's it hurt? What's it hurt? We pass worthless legislation every dead gum day. And, you know, and I can't get a peep. I said to Thun when he

came in when King Charles was in, which was kind of funny to had funny conversation King Charles. By the way, no kings. I'm not a king. Yeah. What about that? I was going to say what the heck. I got a picture. There's a picture of me. I did a video on my ex account at Tim Burchett. See,

“I think that plug-in, but Central Bank of Afghanistan said it received another injection of”

$40 million in cash this week. And this is literally $100 bills in stacks. Is that real? Is that

what is that a stock photo or is that them showing a photograph of the money they received? Because I can't imagine they're sending bricks of cash. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's pallets. It's called a pallet of cash. What? I'm reading through this explanation of it from these reports. He's saying exactly what these are all saying, but this is a lot of information. And I'm not just, look, explanation in here. I've got a beautiful phone. I don't understand all the money, but when I see here

$40 million going overseas. But in cash, too, it's crazy. I'm going to get rid of it. Take it, divvy it up and, yeah, this has been printed every day. When is responsible for purchasing, transporting and transferring at least $2.9 billion in U.S. currency to Afghanistan? This is from 2024. I think when this was printed. So that they have to find the cash on, you know, call your Senator and say, I want to stand bill on the floor. It's crazy. It's past the committee.

And it was like pulling teeth. It was, because apparently I offended somebody, which I'm sure I did now. But I don't understand why anybody wouldn't recognize that giving money to an organization that hates us, a fundamentalist religious organization that is not a religion. They're not a religion. They're a, they're a, a culture. Yeah. Whatever you want to call it. Since it's first cash shipment, UN has made at least 80 purchases of cash for transport to Afghanistan. 80, 80 purchases of

of Afghans banks inability to participate in international wire transfers. And Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency circulating throughout its economy. Oh, so we got to help them out

and get $40 million dollars a week. Yeah. And people that are in kids are still starving and a little

orphans aren't being taken care of. And they're still throwing gaze off of buildings and hooking little girls out of these left. They got to be in the closet. They are in the closet. There's a lot of that, a lot of pedophilia. I have some buddies that served them. Yeah, they got some horrible stuff. Yeah, I was going to fry a Afghan general or something one time he told me and he used to work for him and he had mental issues over it. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, for a

horrible horrible story. This is my dad, my dad wouldn't go back to Okinawa because if I can digress quickly, daddy went back for the 50th anniversary, the invasion of Pele, and he said, I said, you can go back to a 50th anniversary because, you know, those Marines, that's not all those guys are left. You know, and they're all gone now, but he said, I ain't go back to Okinawa. And he said, he told me this story said, they came over this hill.

And of course, they are caught a bunch of Japanese out in this field. He's called a lucky strike. They'd love a course there. I think, dive it over 400 miles an hour and just let them up. caught them out, obliterated them and they run up on them. And they had been ripen some of the islanders or Korean girls that they collected. And I think that messed with my dad all the

“all the stuff he saw, blowing caves, shooting people up close. And that's what he said, I won't go”

into because I got a daughter was going to be watching this thing. But it was, I mean, and that's that's what scarred my daddy. You'd love him. He was, my buddy, my buddy, Chris, I agree. He got a accurate for Christmas. It was a bright red accurate. And, you know, I accurate, not made in America at the time. And dad goes, "Hag," he says, "not daddy was a day in at UT, day in the state of the county." Where's that thing made? And he goes, "I reckon it's made in Japan, CB." And dad goes,

"I reckon you're going to be parking that thing out in the street." Daddy just went back to the kitchen and I went out and moved his act out in the street. There was nobody messed with my dad. He was, I remember the neighbor one time she comes over and said, "Somebody's in my house." And I was like, "What?" And I'm down stairs. And I run up stairs and dad runs bobbing with a browning high power. I mean, he's probably 70 years old. And he was clearing that house. He ran

“in that house. And I remember him was on the phone. He said, "Don't shoot my husband. He's in a blue”

powder leisure seat." Oh, man. He was something else. He was, uh, a mama was something else too. They were, they were real Christians. So they weren't bumper sticker kind of Christians. People was, I would, to this day, I don't like, I love a waffle house. You know, it's America's Premier Steakhouse. And I go in there. And I don't, I don't like eating breakfast food any other time than

at breakfast because I can always remember his little boy, daddy would always pick up somebody on the

interstate. Somebody broke down, black folks, white folks, you know, anybody. And, um, or at some UT student, it was having a little rough go and bring him to the house. And there wasn't me enough hamburgers for me, my brother, sister, and I don't know the five of us. And but mama could make enough breakfast. And I always knew that daddy brought somebody home and we were going to be eating breakfast for supper. And I'd always take the office again, you know, I didn't understand

it at the time, but now I realized I had pretty cool parents. So that's awesome. Can I share your cool picture of my mama? Sure. She flew an airplane near New Second World War. She was, um, I was hanging out with Kid Rock, one time, and I'm going to use a little language here, Bobby. And, um, and I said, I know your, your thing is you're the American badass. I said, but I was raised by the American badass. It's not got pictures that don't pillow and Okinawan with his stomps and

some machine guns to have. Here's my mama, some I color as is. She's just a little country girl.

Wow. And plan an airplane during the second. Her brother Roy, who was 33 years old, got killed in the

hedge roads. She's a beautiful woman. They colorize that. And I'm an independent mama's boy. That's a crazy picture. Yeah, that's crazy. She got her foot up. And I've got a picture of my daughter we're at the air show. And the guy had a bottle in over there. He wasn't going to, there it is. That's the black. Oh, thank you, Jamie. You're the man. But that's in Nashville. And somebody, it was National Women's Aviators Day. And everybody's showing all these pictures

these women. And I said, well, I'm going to have to one up y'all. And I put that up there. And somebody sent it to me. I didn't know just a supporter, not even in my district. And they colorized it for me. Wow. And so I was, you know, in that company that I can't read the name off of

“all the parachute. But I think they're still in business. But anyway, that was in Nashville. You can see”

they're on dirt. And the crazy thing was when she qualified, I don't know how how many how long you got to fly with an instructor before you solo. Well, they messed up. And they did the math wrong

she was, she's in it for the fight. And she's locked like my wife. My wife is a fighter too. She,

you don't even get between her, anybody in her family. But mama, she soloed in half the time that she was supposed to. And, you know, the wars going on. And and I, I still got her little log book. And, and they tried to redo the math on it. And it was wrong. But, you know, mama just that he said, yeah, I bet she cleared out a fence row when she landed. You know, no, she was pretty cool. It's got to be in a terrible slap in the face of these

people that served off, can't stand to find out that the towel bands get in. How about E. Lacharang, I still look over at him. And he's one beautiful human being. I love E. Lacharang. He is my buddy. And, um, um, lone survivor, um, Marcus Lattrell. Yeah, his brother is Morgan Morgan. Yeah, he's the catcher on our, on our baseball team. And, um, I was out there one day. And, um, we're, we, we don't actually practice in the best part of town. And, but we've got security everywhere

comes from my shot. It's a police and all those guys years back. Um, we've got a feel very secure. And, uh, her just pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And this young officer, they see officer said,

“capital placement said, it's okay, guys. I think it's fireworks. And Morgan took his head off”

and goes, "Burget, that was gunfire." And I thought, I'm going with what Morgan says. Yeah, I'm going with this guy of ears that they didn't refer to shot and anger. And, um, and I love those guys. They're wonderful people. And I do too. I, I hurt for him. I used to hurt for my daddy because he would, um, he'd talk about China. They went to China after the war and he fought the communist over there for a short while. And then, um, uh, before we left the Marine Corps,

but how he just turned them over and that he would talk about that and he would, he would be visibly upset and walk away because of that. You know, these, we just, we want to get these wars over and we don't, we don't deal with the repercussions. We don't deal with repercussions of we got warriors, so we need to heal and we got to, you know, and, and it's just very frustrating to it. Yeah, well, you know, kudos to Trump for passing the psychedelics pill. Oh, good, gosh,

I saw you on that. I love that. I, I talked, because I, I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. And I, and I asked, um, I asked some of those guys about it before and they said, "Oh, yeah, Birch, it's, it's, I, one of, one member confided in me that he, because he'd been in some of the mess." And he, and I, and I, and I told him, I said, you know, my daddy was,

had anger issues and stuff. He never beat Mama or me or anybody, but,

how could you not? I, I know, how did you expect, that's the crazy thing. You expect this of people to do horrible things and to see horrible things, and to come back and just go to the grocery store. Yeah. Just be normal. Yeah. Just sit and traffic be normal.

“I remember one time we were at a UT football game and I was a little boy. I must have been four or”

five. And, uh, and that, we were on the 50 yard line. It was in the 60s and they, they let you bring these cowbells and it's the last game. They let you bring cowbells too. I don't even probably do it now, but back then they, and so this guy was sitting behind us and he was drunk. And he, and he took the Lord's name and vein. And my daddy said, "Hey," he said, "We got ladies down here. You know, my sister who was probably seven or eight." And my mama was there.

And the guy said, "Okay." And then the guy spilled his drink on my dad. And my mama grabbed us all his kids and just rushed us out. And, and I remembered, I was like, "No, what's Daddy doing?" And, you know, and the UT cops, they loved my daddy because he was a student, kind of.

He always backed him up. And, um, they come running down the aisle and literally my dad

would meet these guys. I asked all three of them. Right there on the 50 yard line at Neelon Stadium. And I was just a little boy. And I was like, "You didn't give high fives back then, but I had, I would have given him because he was pretty incredible guy." Well, guys been to war like that man had and come back. And it wasn't any different than thousands of other of his buddies. You know, they would get together and talk about stuff. And, you know, we didn't drink

in the house. My mom and daddy didn't let me have a beer king collection. And Daddy's buddy Red Welch came over and Red drank beer at the dinner table. And it was in the 80s. I wasn't, I was, gosh, I was getting there. You go to college. And that was still no beer in the house. And Red was drinking beer. And I said, "Daddy, I said, what's it to do with a red drinking beer?" And he said, "Buddy, he said, "You get pinned down on them islands and you got, you know you're going to get,

you're going to, you're going to leave this earth pretty soon. There's one guy that comes running for you. He can do pretty much whatever he wants to in your house." And that was red. I found an old picture. I'm in Daddy and John of the other day. But yeah, Daddy had, um, had a great life, though. He had a great life. He and my mom were both buried at Betrim Cemetery

“there in Knoxville. And, you know, this day I'm 61 years old. And if I go up there, I think about”

them and their sacrifice and I cry like a baby. Because I go to that capital, Joe, and I see people

that's, that's his unforgivable, unforgivable. Well, I'm very happy that some of these people

“that have experienced these horrible things have at least a pathway to relief now.”

Yeah. And that is, and thank you for getting involved, brother. That is, that was huge. Well, I couldn't see that everything. Do what? Thank Rick Perry. Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, because if it wasn't for them, explaining to me what they've been through and how it's helped people. And all the other people that I know, like Marcus, Le Troos, a friend, they didn't want to happen. I talked to everybody.

And they said it wouldn't happen if it wasn't been for you. You use that microphone for, for good. And I appreciate it. Because a lot of people aren't. Well, I'd never asked him for anything until that moment. And I was like, if there's a thing that I could do that might make the world a little bit of a better place. And the fact

that those things were made illegal in the first place is just ridiculous. It should have never

happened. They should have been studied and we could understand how they could help people, especially when you consider how many people are on anti-depressants in this country. Well, it's academic. Tim Wallace's daughter, the guy who was running for Vice President, his daughter just made a post on social media where she was talking about, she's been on him for 15 years. And she's realizing that they're a real problem. And every time she's tried to get off,

it's been devastating. And I know people that have also been on them that they try to get off on like my friend Theo Vaughn. And the roof falls off. And like every time he starts talking about something that drives him crazy, I just got to kind of rain him in and just like calm down. Like, you know, if you've had friends take their lives and I've had a few. I've had quite a few.

“It's a horrible feeling when you think about it and you go, what could I have done?”

What could I have said? How could I have? And so much so we don't know. My oldest friend in the world, my name's Scott Davis. He and our little red school house together, his brother took his life. And he was a separate from depression. And this was in the 80s. And we didn't understand it. You know, I was with a guy yesterday. One of his best friends of been testament. He was telling me, you know, I talked to him. You know, he came home. He was

he was a professional tennis player. And he came home. He was talking to Jeff. And he said, you know, he said, I just feel like I'm in a hole. And nobody gets that. And people will say to him, I hear people all the time say, say, hey, just get over it, man. You know, go for a job. And there's some freaking chemical imbalance that we don't know. Something has happened that's jarred them that we don't understand. And that is if there's one avenue that gets it, you know. And

but big pharma, again, big ag big pharma. It's like hemp. Yeah. Why the hell are we not going hemp? Right. It just drives me crazy. It drives me crazy as well. It doesn't make any sense. Especially when you find out all the stuff that is legal. It's like you have some consistency. It doesn't make any sense. How many people do we lose every year? And a lot of my friends are in the alcohol business. But it's a personal responsibility issue with me. You know, if you do it,

it's your business. But if you break the law, you're going to the hotel. Yeah. And listen, I'm not a big drinker, but I think you should be allowed to drink. I don't think there's anything wrong

“being allowed to smoke cigarettes. If that's what you want to do, you should be able to do it.”

I believe in freedom. But I don't, I think we should be consistent. And the fact that there's these things that can help people that are suffering from depression, that are suffering from opioid addiction. That are suffering from all sorts of PTSD and CTE. And that we have this thing that we've known about for decades. And the only person that the courage to try to push an executive order is Trump. And if I, again, help that, again, he is his enemy number one with a lot of those people.

Well, I mean, thank God, he's got the kind of courage that he has to push stuff like that through because it's going to change a lot of human lives. A lot of veterans lives, a lot of first responders, a lot of police officers, a lot of people that have experienced violent crime, just, it's going to change a lot of people. Women that have been abused. And they're not like going to be walking around like some kind of crazy zombies thing. It's a, it's a very controlled thing. And especially I begin,

I begin is not recreational in any shape or form. No one's taking it recreationally. I've never

done it, but I've heard it's a terrible experience. But you come out on the underend of it. And Rick Perry was also talking about how he's experienced natural brain atrophy, being a man in his 70s. He went and got an examination after he did it and his brain atrophy had dropped by 25 percent. He went back in six months later, it was all gone. Just that alone. Wow. Think about all the elderly people out there that are suffering for memory loss and all these different issues that people have

that that could fix them. And that it's literally just one experience that you have that takes 12 hours. And when it's over, you're better. That's crazy. And then we've kept this from people. There's no chance of people being addicted. The money. I understand. But at some point in time, we've got to be human. All these money people have to realize, you only have a certain amount of time on this planet. And you have an opportunity to make the world a better place. And

are going to go to their money, that's going to go to their bank accounts, going to go to their

“company, their corporation, personal benefit. And at the expense of who knows how many people,”

including literal heroes, wins enough enough for those guys. Yeah. When is enough enough? I mean, this is the same feeling that I have about this disclosure stuff. Like, I don't care what it's going to affect. I don't care. Like, if there's real things out there that we don't know about, you as a human being have no right to keep that from the rest of humanity. There's, I don't care what your title is. I don't care what three-letter organization you work for. You're a human being.

And you have an obligation to the other human beings to alert us. In fact, there's people that if this is real and this people that have gone to their grave with this information that would

literally change the course of human history, that's a crime. It's a real crime. Could you imagine

the poor countries, the people that suffer, you know, the deserts and things like that. If you could, you could cool their heights or whatever. Right. And we get out of these worthless wars which are overall all the time. Right. And it just, it would end at all. And just a stroke of the panel, host. What do you think it is? Like, when I go back and forth, I know it's a little crazy, this will probably cost me election because they've tried to use it against me in the past.

“People will only help you at this point. Well, I think, I think we need to look at these deep”

water areas. I have a hard time believing that something can travel light years in some suspended, it have to be in some kind of suspended state. So I have a trouble with that. Those five gentlemen that came to my, it's four or five, they came to my house that time. They were talking about a moon. It was around Saturn or Jupiter that they'd done some testing with that they think would be capable of something. And the moon was larger than Earth, of course. But there's a moon that's

larger than our Earth. Yeah, around Jupiter or Saturn. That doesn't make any sense. I don't think that's correct. Maybe I'm wrong. Check it out. There's no moons that are larger than a planet. No, it's not a thing. So our planet. Well, I don't believe that's true circles around it. I don't know. Anyway, is that accurate? Do I not know about this? Yeah, but there's no, I don't believe there's a moon out there that's larger than our planet. These guys seem to think that something

can travel from there and it was the quantum physics. I, you know, after talking to that admiral, you know, it makes me wonder if there is something in these deep ocean areas that they'll place. Yeah, we know more about the surface of the moon than we do, the surface of the ocean floor

“in some areas. I think it's true because we're not down there. Logically, that's the one place”

where we don't go and it covers 75% of the Earth at least, right? And if you wanted to hide, that would be-- Yeah, I guess. I mean, if you were monitoring humans, let's say that humans are on this path of technological evolution and then they recognize that humans have split the atom. We've developed atomic weapons and we've used them. And they want to make sure that we don't blow up the entire planet before we achieve some sort of enlightenment, before we bypass

whatever territorial, primate, monkey brain stuff that we have that's causing us to have all these wars and do all these things that we shouldn't be doing. And that we're on our way, we're getting better, we're clearly better than we were a thousand years ago and better than we were three thousand years ago. We're on our way to being a more advanced civilization, but it's possible that we could screw it all up at any point in time and blow ourselves to smithereens. I would imagine

they would want a monitor of us. One maniac in Iran, if they hadn't had stopped that, they're nuclear. I'm convinced that they were out for Armageddon, they had to launch something, they had to capabilities go all the way to England. If they put one close to Israel, it'd be over. And people like North Korea who have terrible technology on missiles, the biggest threat there was if they put one up in the air that the nuclear cloud could blow over China. And so that could have

had some incredible bad repercussions. Well, the fact that there's so many different

countries that have nuclear weapons, we're just relying on these people to keep their shit together. It's not. It's not. It's not. And there are many acts. Well, it makes sense that if you were a super advanced life form from wherever that if you wanted to have base, some sort of a base where you'd monitor us, it would be in the ocean. People right there, you could get out of it real quick and go to wherever you wanted to go

orbs was the thing I was thinking of earlier. Orbs. That's the new word that you hear a lot of. It's getting away from saucers. Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with the orbs of people say that they could summon them. Yeah, I'm not on that. There's some of the friend of mine wants me to go and do it with her. My friend's wife is like experienced it. She's like, you got to try it,

I don't know. I don't know. I don't have permission to talk about her. She wants me to talk about it,

but I'm like, okay, what do we got to do? Be careful about the sex cult angle. Well, she's not, that's not more than I know. You're a good looking guy, Joe. No, no, no. She's not be digging you. No, no, no, no. This ain't that. This is not that. She's been my friend for 20 years. She's married to my friend. She's not saying the angle that they use. This lady's not there. She's a comedian. Okay. This is not that. But there are a lot of cookie people that do have sex cults.

That the sex cult with every cult turns into a sex cult, right? Power. You know, I almost bought a building in Austin that was owned by a cult. No, really. The original comedy mothership was the original location was a place called the One World Theater. The One World Theater was owned by this cult. And I kind of knew about it because Ron White told me about it because they had this theater that they built to so that their leader can perform in front of them. And then the cult got

disbanded. There's a documentary about the cult called Holy Hell. And yeah, it's crazy. But it's a sex cult. It was a guy who is a get this. He started out in California, and he was a gay porn star

“in a hip-detest, which is a wonderful combination. If you want to start a, like you do. Yeah.”

And also a yoga teacher. So he starts out teaching these people yoga. And I don't have a very taken yoga before. I've taken about yoga classes. We'd bunch of different instructors and most of them

have been amazing. But a few of them were very culty, very culty. And there's just one guy that I took

classes from way back in the day, like more than 20 years ago. And he was in California. And he was sleeping with a bunch of the ladies that were there. And he was kind of, he was kind of like a cult guy. Yeah. Like he was, like, following him. Yeah. He was drag into singing, singing, stupid songs. But it was like very full of himself. It was gross. He was gross. And, you know, everything went up, falling apart for that guy. But any ran for Congress. But there's a lot of these people that

for whatever reason. That's where it all boils down to. They want to have sex to everybody's wife. And they want to run everything. And they want, you know, run to the mill and tell, you know, it's very strange. But that's where the demonic stuff comes in with Christians when you call these things down. But why do you think that that has to do with sex cults? Why would the aliens

“have to do with sex? Well, I don't think it's aliens. I think it's, um, I just think some people are”

abusing the people's, they think that they're, they're, they're using their belief in UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of thing. Have you knowledge of this kind of stuff? Yeah. I get all of it. I hear about all of it in your name names. Can you talk about like not on the air? Okay. I don't want to get sued. Okay. Um, so the underwater bases, uh, or the underwater, this is what an admiral told me. Oh, so did he say locations that these things are coming from or is there an actual physical

base that they've observed? He said that they, they don't have the capabilities to get down that deep, actually. Um, but they did say that that the sightings were happening in about and, and I think four of the five deep water areas around our world. And so, and he didn't have any other, you know, and then I was on talking about it. And some I said Tim Burchett says that they're underwater bases, you know, and, and then, um, you know, and they, they had, uh, gates was on the other day and

he, so he was, he was, he was briefed. I just told what I was briefed on and he was briefed by a guy that said it was in, in uniform that said that they were breeding, um, they were capturing people and breeding them with, with these aliens. And you know, he just told what? So yeah, he was on, you can pull it up every, Matt gates. He talked about it. He didn't say believed it, but, you know,

“we talk about, we get briefed on. That's what I'm talking about the sia. Like, here's part of the”

problem too. They bring you information and you go forward with this. And this is, well, this is the truth. You know, these underwater bases, whatever. And then they prove it doesn't exist. And then they just discredit you and they discredit the whole movement. So that's why I'm very cautious anytime any brandy brings me any information or pictures or testimony or, you know, third cousin's recollection. Yeah. That is the disinformation thing is a problem. They'll tell you

some truth and mix it in with some really cookie stuff. And then you say the cookie stuff along with it and the cookie stuff just discredits everything this true. Yeah. Yeah. And Lizard talked about that, too. He said they would tell people certain things that weren't true and they would tell different people, different things that weren't true. So if the story got leaked out, they would know who leaked it. It was like a hook. So that anchor would be like, oh, that was Mike,

Mike told this story. That's when I always warn our other members when we go into the

or that's, that's sort of what we heard the last time. And then I said, everybody just be real careful

with it because if it gets out, then they'll come after you or if they want it to get out so they can discredit you and make you look like a fool. So they talked to you about deep water areas, were sightings occur. And so it's just a presumption that somewhere in that deep water they're emanating from that they're, well, he has already described it. It is GAT Gates claims whistleblower told him of alien human hybrid program. The alleged program evolved captured extraterrestrials

mating with abducted humans from war zones and migrant caravans to create hybrids for intergalactic communication. He claimed the whistleblower identified between six and 12 such facilities in the US and sought coordinated congressional visits to prevent relocation of the activities though Gates did not verify any of the information. How could you? You're going to talk to the hybrids? Yeah. Also, I just want to go to the T-shirt. Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent you,

James. Yeah, that's bonkers. I don't think about that. I don't, I don't, I don't. So this is a guy. It says, his name is Alan Dido. Yeah. And it's where capital D, lowercase I, capital D, lowercase I, oh, Ddo. Ddo? After sitting in a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these investigations, the message was clear, UFO and UAP disclosure is commenting pastors must prepare their people now, silence is not an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what do they

preparing the people for? Like, what? Why would they bring in pastors? I've never heard of,

“you know, I would guess. I think it is. I think if he had brought anybody, he'd brought Franklin”

Graham in. Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his, yeah, he runs, well, I mean he also has a show, which is, uh, of course he does. Oh, so his show is about disclosure, revival, nation, church or something. No, no, I don't know that. This is just what these clips are coming around. Can you click on his bio, please? Like, what it clicks, what it says, a quipping end time believers for the next great awakening. Oh, boy.

I also want more people to think we're in the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that. It says that they don't even, angels in heaven don't even know when the end times are in the end's

coming. So yeah. Well, that's, I've always very suspicious of people that say the end times are coming.

I remember when we were, I was living in LA. There was a billboard. Do you remember those billboards Tammy? Where there was the guy was like saying a very specific date where the end was coming. The rapture was going to, and then it didn't happen. He's like, oh, it got some bad

“information. It's coming soon. Yeah. I did my math wrong. I remember, I see those all the time.”

I just shake my head. So in heaven. Yeah, that's the guy made 21st, 2011. Cried, mildly, unto God. Judgment day. Oh, boy. And it's like, I look at the gold stamp. The Bible guarantees it. By the way, I read the Bible. I never read anything where there's a guarantee of this day. Yeah, made 21st, 2011. Yeah. So when they tell you things, is there anything that they tell you that you could tell us? Like, how much of what they told you is like completely top secret that you

not allowed to say until the disclosure. A lot of it. A lot of it. Yeah. Is there anything that really disturbs you? Yeah. We had one meeting and it got into some stuff that they were talking about. And the treatment of people and the capabilities. And this was just treatment of people by these supposed extra time. Now our own government, but that we're trying to come forward with this stuff. But also, yeah, they told me some pretty creepy stuff. So I would, again,

“yeah, I bring this out and then they're busted my ass for it. But what do you think is going on?”

Like, be so, I think it's a cover up. I think there's something else out there. I do not think we're the best that God can do. And I really just don't know, Joe. There's so many options. It could be one of these groups that met with me. They described several different types of beings and they go through all of them. How many different types of beings? I don't know three, four, five. I don't know. I just change this. I don't get caught up in that. You know,

and I tell our guys, I say, look, here's the argument. Just say, I just want to know what we're spending tens of millions of dollars on. That's all. I don't care if I don't. It's not about little green man. It's not about fine saucers. What do we spend in this money on if they say they don't exist? That should be the answer. The question and the answer will come from that. Okay. So if they do

they really do exist. And I don't think that there's such a finite group of people that actually

know it. And you've got a lot of charlatans out there that say they know it and right out there,

“they're selling memberships. Of course. But I think there's, there's something to it. I'm always”

very suspicious of anybody who speaks definitively about something like that where you can't possibly know. And then they don't offer up any proof of this. And I say, well, I've seen the pictures. Well, bring in the dead gum pictures. Yeah. But I have seen some pictures. And I have seen video. And I have what's the most convincing thing that you've seen? I don't know, those guys came out the house. I was pretty convincing. You know, that was before the, um, before the hearings that we had.

How clear was the video? The clear is the screen. I mean, it was pretty clear. Um, you know, and that was pre-AI. AI was such a new thing. And then it fit in with what the tick-tack videos were.

And the, um, the heat signature is what always what I always thought was unusual because it had

to have a heat signature, but it didn't. Right. And zero point energy, whatever that is. Right. And, and the, just the quantum physics angle of it is mind-blowing to me. And you have no knowledge of what's supposed to be released because it, where today's Wednesday. I'm going to

“know tomorrow at three tomorrow at three PM. So when the world knows now, I think they're going to”

ask me to just give me a little bit of it. But I got to feel it and they're not going to tell me much. I got to feel it and they're not going to tell America not much. When is it supposed to be disclosed this week? Whatever. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But if they're going to disclose it to us, then it'll be out right as soon as they hang up the phone with some guys.

Do you feel an obligation if they don't release it to try to tell people what you know?

I do. I do. I do. I think it's, um, because I don't like it if they're lying to us. And I, again, I don't think Trump knows it. I mean, these people will keep this stuff secret. I, uh, here's another thing. I was in that one meeting in a gas said, I said, what about the president on this? And he said, the president's on the need to know bases. Now, that's a federal employee saying that he or she has information that the president is not allowed to see. And I,

I just was a gas man. I said, I mean, you know, you, that's the kind of crap you see on the sofa network or something, but that, that'd be a title in my book. I mean, that, that, that, that ought to tell you right there that, that this thing is, is a cover up. And I don't, and it's kind of like MK Ultra. I don't think we're going to get the, they're not going to tell us everything. I really don't. I don't think they're going to give us half of what we should get.

But you think we're going to get something? I think we're going to get something. Do you know how put off, you know, how put off? Do you know how put off? Do you know how put off? No, I know who he is. I'm not saying, I'm actually going to help put off you already. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I can't help. I put off, I put off was in the documentary as well. He was in the age of disclosure. And he was a guest on the podcast. And one of the things that he told me is that during the

Bush administration, they brought in him and a bunch of other scientists and thought leaders. And what was explained to him was that they are considering disclosure and that there have been visits of these super intelligent beings from somewhere else that we have retrieved crashed vehicles and that we have biological remains. And we are talking about disclosing we would like you to make a list of all the ways that it'll negatively affect society and all the ways that

it'll positively affect society and attach a numerical value to these things. And they all did it. And every one of them said the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the impact on government, the impact on the economy, religion, all these different factors and how the how would disrupt society and in the end they decided not to disclose. Yeah, I've heard that many times. I just don't buy it. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I mean, I don't doubt what he's saying.

I know all those guys now. She mentioned that was a movie, of course, and I've met them all afterwards. But I don't, I just don't buy that. I think we should know. Let us know. Let us decide. No, I believe that too. But I wonder what that meeting was like and whether or not they were being truthful to these people or whether it was a thought experiment.

“Allegedly when they told Jimmy Carter he cried. That's what I heard too.”

Yeah, I was. Yeah. It was, I won't go in all of it. But I was in a meeting. What would make him cry? I don't know. I know he's very sensitive guy. But I understand. But I mean, he was also, I probably saw old yellow. Yeah, I didn't, too. Still cry. But he had seen a UFO.

sub or not, I can't remember. But you know, here's, I've got me's president on states and he

“did. They told him something and supposedly he cried. And I was in the meeting and that was brought”

up and the guy that they were trying to trip up gave the date of that meeting. And he said, you can go to the Carter library and pull up that date and you'll know there's one person they omitted their name, which, who knows who that was. But they list the meeting and where he was when he got that that briefing. Wow. So I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know either. I don't know if that's true or not. You know, they also say Nixon pulled up one night to Jackie

Glacens and I know that story. Yeah. Well, you know, Jackie Glacens built that crazy house

and upstate New York. Do you know about that? Do not. Oh, you don't. It was for sale a while back. Jackie Glacens essentially built a UFO house. It built a house that looked like a flying saucer.

“No, good. Yeah. It was for sale fairly recently within last few years. That's the house.”

Oh, crap. That's a house Jackie Glacens built after supposedly Richard Nixon took him. So supposedly the story was they were golfing, out drinking, and Richard Nixon's like, hey, you won't see some shit. They took him to see this UFO somewhere on some base. You know,

the story is very big. It's hard to tell what what actually happened. But apparently people at

New Jackie Glacens said it profoundly affected him and Jackie Glacen became obsessed with UFOs afterwards. And then he had this house built the shape of a UFO, which is, I mean, not evidence, but weird. That's very weird. Weird. Yeah. Nixon, Nixon was a very serious guy that would have been an interesting scenario indeed. But I just wish they'd show us everything. Yeah, me too. Well, we'll see. We'll see what what comes out this week. But thank you very much for being here.

“I really appreciate it. It was great to talk to you. I wish I could get you moved East Tennessee. Why?”

Well, we saved Texas ass, man. You know, David Crocket. Yeah, David Crocket in the day. Yeah, he said he was in Congress and got bait. He was a state legislator and he got bait in Congress. And he said as for us, he's quote was for me. He says for you, are you going to auto to hell? It's for me. I'm going to Texas. He goes to Alemon, gets killed. But he parted like that into a Disney special. So he kind of evened out sort of sort of. You're very partial to Texas. Yeah. All right,

I know Texas. I know Texas. I just love it here. I love a lot of things about tech. I love the people. It's a fun place to be. Yeah. My buddy, Chip Roy, he's leaving. He's from down here. A bunch of these guys in Congress are down here that are leaving. And they're going to Tennessee? No, they're coming down here. Oh, they're coming to AJ down here. No, they're all coming home. They're tied to Washington. Yeah. They're like, "Let your hell tell me." I said, "Why are you leaving Congress today?"

And he says, "Well, it's been time with my family. My kids are growing out." And I was like, "Can you argue with that, brother?" Yeah. And the pressure of Congress, the pressure of Washington, D.C. is just so odd. I've only been there a couple of times. But every time I'm there, when I leave him, it's like when I used to minister to a guy in prison. And when you leave Brett, brush him out in the state prison, I called it that institutional smell.

Whatever they use to claim that place, you just smell like it for, you can smell it in your nose for days later. And that's the Washington D.C. It's more of a filthy smell. Yeah. It's a weird place. I guess it's necessarily supposedly. But it's odd to visit. But I appreciate people at you. Thank you, brother. Thank you. And I appreciate you doing the right thing, especially for veterans and on discloser and all the other hot-button issues. And you got Hecklefish right there.

I do. Hecklefish. He said my name on the show one time. Yeah. I love that show. Yeah. He said my name one time. He said it wrong. But he's a Yankee, so I guess it's okay. Yeah. It's like birch yet or something. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. (upbeat music)