#2538 - Joe DeRosa

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The Joe Rogan experience. Join my day, Joe Rogan podcast, my night, all day. Cheers, thank you, thank you. I went through a whole series of different coffee machines that I tried out.

I tried out one of them. That was this little thing that's like a T-dipper, almost like for an individual cup of coffee. You put the grounds in this little thing. It's a little tiny press.

OK. And yet you boil the water, put it in the coffee cup, and then you sit in there like it's T, and then you press it. And it makes like a French press. Yeah. Yeah. So then I went to an arrow press.

I liked that one a lot. What's an arrow press? I use that every day.

So with an arrow press, I boil the water, grind the beans,

and then I pour it into this glass tube. And the glass tube is a filter at the bottom of it. Like a mesh, like a steel or an aluminum,

“it's some kind of metal mesh, and then that's what it looks like.”

And so you press down and it makes a cup of coffee real quick. And it's one cup, and so that's what I like. Because I was making coffee. Like I was doing French press for a while. I had a coffee machine, but the issue is that you're not supposed

to really be drinking out a hot plastic. All that shit's plastic. There's plastic. The water goes into plastic. There's plastic here in plastic there.

I'm trying to eliminate as much plastic in my life as possible. Well, as we can. I'll tell you, too, I, a couple times in my adult life, splurged on, you know. So I'm fucking, when I'm Italian, it's press on.

Yes, yeah, great. Well, the grind's the beans every time you're gonna wet. Those fucking things go sideways on you in a year. And then you're like, I gotta get a fixed. And they're like, yeah, there's a shop.

It's 90 minutes north of you. You drive the machine up there. You just like fuck this shit, man. So I went back, I just, I have an espresso, and you put the fucking pot in and whatever.

But there's a company that makes one, I should shout them out, that makes one that's all steel. I think it's called simply good coffee. I follow them on Instagram, I haven't used their machine, but that's all steel.

It's an all steel coffee machine, which is what you want. But I've got it down to the arrow press, the arrow press. To me, very simple, the minimal amount of like parts, it's just the grinds, the grinds, the coffee tastes pure. It's simple, I make one cup of coffee today.

Here is what I miss, 'cause I will drink a lot of coffee if I'm able to.

Here's what I miss about like a traditional Mr. coffee pot of coffee.

- Okay. - You said it, it starts doing it in the morning. You wake up, it's already going, you know? - Right. - I get two cups hot in the morning.

I put it in the fridge, and then in the afternoon, when I start feeling sluggish, I got two cold cups, and it's just a nice, so you just want volume. - I love volume.

- Then make a French press, it'll taste better. - But then you gotta make it every time. - What do you? - You gotta do one cup of your own. - You don't have a job.

(laughing)

“- You lazy mother fucker, you should even have a job.”

You literally talk shit for a living. And you're like, oh, making coffee so hard. - Someone had a skin of fucking buffalo, just to stay warm in the winter. - Yeah.

- Just to stay alive, to shred the skin off of it with a stone knife, and they had a bullet and stretch it and put animal brains on it to make sure that it's softened up and salt it down. - I guess what?

If you would have said that at guy, hey, we got this thing called Mr. Buffalo, it'll just do it real fast. He would have been like, okay, this sucks. (laughing)

- He would be fucking sit, did his D.P. - Oh, bro, Mr. Buffalo's the shit. - Yeah. - He'd get fat and lazy. - Yeah.

- So true. - But yeah, I'd just, I'd like to make more than one cup of, so, that thing that you are. - French press is so easy. He talked about making it hard.

This right here, this is an all-metal French press. No plastic parts at all. It's the fucking easiest thing in the world, dude. So this can make a full pot, though.

- Okay, well then that's, yeah, I would do that.

“- This is not expensive, just a steel French press.”

This is the best tasting coffee you're ever gonna get because it's got all the oils from the beans, man. You get like the real coffee dorks, you know, there's something happens in the filter. So in the filter, yes, you remove the grinds, yes.

But also, you remove some of the flavor, just a touch. - Yeah, it's funny, man. When I, back when I was, when I was still involved with the sandwich shop, one of the things I learned

that I never knew, 'cause you had to take a test

to get a food handler's license on all the shit, was I didn't know that food started breaking down the moment you cut it, I didn't know that. - 'Cause I was getting into at the time, meal prep and shit, like, all right, if I cut,

if I cut up, if I chop the tomatoes now, if I chop the carrots now, the cucumbers now, it'll be ways or just throw a salad together. - Every day, you know, make me eat the good thing, 'cause it'll be fast.

And then I learned, no, as soon as you cut something, it starts to break down. - Is this just vegetables? - I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't think a raw meat is fine or whatever,

but vegetables. - That makes sense, 'cause the inside's exposed to the air. - But it's gotta be the same principle with coffee beans, I would think, right? Like, once they're grown, that's a good question.

“- Yeah, I think people like to grind them”

right before they, I always grind them right before I make the coffee, which is easy. - Right. - I will grind them. - It's a one step, one button.

I press it, it takes 13 seconds, I count it, goes. - No, no, no. - 13 seconds is exact amount of beans that I want for one strong, I only have strong cup of coffee, one strong cup of coffee, with that arrow press thing.

But it's the same thing with a French press. You take it, you just get a determined amount, and you can dial the knob on the grinder. It's so easy, the grinders are so simple. So listen, all you do is you take that ground coffee

after it comes into the little cup, you pour it into the bottom of the fucking French press, and then you pour the hot water in, done, that's it. And then you wait one minute, and then you push this fucking plunger down, and you drink the best coffee in the world.

And it doesn't have any plastic, and it does have any bullshit, and there's no moving parts. - Yes. - There's nothing, it's just that thing. And it's a grinder brace, you get another fucking grinder.

Okay, and grinders don't break, I've never had a grinder break.

But you gotta boil the water first, correct? - Oh my god, are you okay? - Are you gonna be okay?

“- You gotta turn the knob on the stove, are you gonna be okay?”

If what the fuck is wrong with this guy, I hit a button on the boiler. - This is on the boiler, but he's so ridiculous. He's like, whoa, I can't be the water, I got a boil it. - Dude, I get out of bed, get an automatic kettle.

You get a kettle, 'cause there's literally, I have one that has a setting that says French press on it. It's a steel kettle. - Okay. - And it works all electronically,

so it's regulated temperature and it beeps when it's done. Press 200 degrees, and then it press start and it goes, - Dude, dude, dude. - And when that happens, I pour the water onto the beans. - Well now we're talking.

- Now we're talking. - Electric kettle, I'm thinking I gotta put a fucking pot on the stove. - That's even easier, you're fucking lazy shit. - He takes too long, dude, I get out of the lazy bed.

- It's not lazy. - It's so lazy. (laughing) - I swear, so I wake up with the dread of humanity of my fucking brain. I'm just like, I need a cup of coffee immediately

to just start today and just clear the head. And the longer that takes, the longer I got to sit and that wake up anxiety. - I understand. - So, but now we're talking.

You know what I'm gonna get? I'm gonna get a boiling pot that you can set a timer on. - Yeah, they're easy, they're electronic kettle. - Yeah, they sell mama. And they have like settings for T, settings for this, settings for hot cocoa.

You know, it's like five or six different settings, or something like that depending on the model. - All right. - They're fucking so easy, dude. - You sold them.

- Yeah, and it's the best coffee. It takes, and I don't have to think, I gotta hold one of these really nice machines and it can make an espresso, can make it coffee, can make a latte,

it's got a little fucking foam thing that I've never used once.

They never even thought about using it. Never even thought about steaming milk. - Yeah, never. - Never. - But I always was thinking, I'm just, it's all plastic.

Every time I filled up the water thing, I'm like, this is all plastic, everything's plastic. - Do you know, do you know what I saw, though, that maybe want to get the thing again with the cream steamer?

'Cause I don't put cream in, so I don't have any use for it. - Black coffee, right? - Black coffee. - Black coffee, oh, man. - Always, yeah.

- Me too. - Yeah, Tony shits on it. - Of course he does. Tony needs a fucking umbrella in his quality. (laughing)

- He's got seeds of a umbrella by the apple. Cooky with it. - He holds it with one pinky out. - When he shakes his coffee. (laughing)

- I got a drink of black, he goes, "Ah, you fucking hate condiments." I was like, "What are you talking about?" - I like the taste of coffee. - Yeah.

- I genuinely like black coffee. - You know what I saw, though,

You know, Autumn Brown, yeah, I love Autumn Brown. He did a thing, he did a video where he made this thing with eggs and he used the foam steamer to like foam the eggs up and I was like, this looks, I wanna get it just for that

just to do the things with the eggs. - But then he got it. - So you're lazy when it comes to making coffee, but you go way out of the way for some foam the eggs. - I'll cook.

- You want me to cook? - You want me to cook? (laughing) - I like to cook. - I'll cook.

- There it is right here. - Oh, well, look at that. - Wow. - Wow. - Wow.

- He said this is like apparently incredible. It's like two eggs, a little cheese. - Interesting. - Interesting. And so you whisk it up like that

and then you add the foam and the foam cooks it.

Is that always cooking it with the foam?

- It cooks the eggs with the foam. (screaming) - So what is in the foamer? Is it just hot water? - Yeah.

- That's it? - Okay, so this hot water from the steam is cooking his eggs. - Look at the egg cooking. - Look at the pretty fucking dope.

- Look at that. - Is he eating or are you just eating eggs? - Fun's wrong with it. - It's cracks in fucking eggs. - Fry some eggs.

- What's the problem? - You don't think that looks good? - It doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs. - I was looking at it, I was like, "Fuck those foamy eggs."

- Oh, I want to real egg.

“- Could you imagine dunking toast in those foamy eggs?”

- No, 'cause I don't even need toast. - Come on. - Alright, toast once in a while. - Occasionally. - You know what I get it?

With steak tartar, I like those little toast points. - Oh yeah. - If we get some steak tartar, toast points at Jay Carver, you ever go to Jay Carver? - Oh yeah.

- Of course. - Yeah, yeah. - What's your favorite spot in Austin to get a meal? Like, it's impossible to say. There's so many good spots.

There's so many good spots. Austin is crazy with the amount of great restaurants, like really high-end restaurants. I've eaten steak at every fucking restaurant in town and I gotta think the best one is Jeffries.

Jeffries is... - I still haven't gone. I gotta go. - This is perfection. It's perfect.

They're all great.

I've never had a bad steak at Jay Carver's.

I've never had a bad steak at any of these. They're all great. But there's something about whatever Jeffries is doing.

“I think they got rated like the number two steak house”

in the country. - Something crazy like that. - I gotta go to Jeffries, I've been dragging my ass. - I love Jay Carver. - Jay Carver's amazing.

- Amazing. - Their steak is different. Jeffries steak, Jay Carver's steak is... He's using one of those Argentine grills, so it's all live fire over what delicious flavor.

- Yeah, yeah. - But man, there's nothing left. Like whatever Jeffries is doing, like fuck. - I go, I love Gary, the bartender at Edivis, and he makes killer martinis.

I love to go ahead and get a martini. - Straight bar. - Shrimp cocktail. - Yeah, and some steak. But I love, I gotta tell you it's the same owners as Jay Carver.

I actually think I like the steak at Red Ash, a little bit better than Jay Carver. - How? - There's just something different about, I don't know what the difference in the prep is,

but just the steak, and then also having the option of all the Italian foods that you can get with the steak. - Yeah, Red Ash is phenomenal too. - They have another place called the Kimberly. That place is phenomenal too.

- Kimberly's very good. - There's too many good restaurants. You have an abundance of choices here. - It took a minute because when I first moved back, 'cause I was here in 2000 for a year.

When I first moved back, you know, I was in New York for so long. I forgot like Austin is more of a destination city. You have to kind of find the places. And Tommy Pope was like dude, give me your phone,

and he went into my Google Maps, and he bookmarked 10 spots, it was like, get this here, get this there, get this here, and every spot I was like, okay, now we're, now we're rocking and rolling, it was great. - Yeah, imagine back in the day before the internet,

you couldn't just Google what's the best steakhouse in Austin. You couldn't, I mean, that's kind of an amazing thing now. - Right. - It'd be told about a restaurant, right, you know? - Yeah, yeah, I do that in cities.

When I'm on the road, I'll look up what's the best Italian sandwich in the city. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's like, you know, rest most popular touristy place. - Exactly, sometimes it's just a place

that paid for publicity, so they're getting on these lists. And it's not accurate, but when you find it, it's great. The internet is a great tool to help find these places.

“Like you said, you should just be word of mouth.”

You should just have to say, what's good? And now you're depending on some guys opinion,

which is not always the best, but.

It's like, the people are your own little Cisco and Ebert for movies, but for restaurants. Like, you've got to find a fact guy who loves food. - Yeah. - That guy's gonna tell you where the best spots are.

- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know who knows everything. - There's like East Coast places, though,

that you're just never gonna get anywhere else

other than East Coast. There's certain kind of small Italian restaurants in particular, there's this place I used to go to when I lived in New Rochelle, Frank and John's. I think it was Frankie and Johnny's.

I think that's what was called. - Okay. - In New Rochelle, this Italian place? - It was so fucking insane, it was so insane. - They made it so good.

- A movie about that. - Well, there was a movie called Frankie and Johnny without Pacino, and I think it's about that restaurant. I think he works at that restaurant. - Really?

“- Yeah, I think, yeah, it's got a lot of restaurants, right?”

- But it's called 90% sure it was in New Rochelle, 'cause that's why I lived, I lived in New Rochelle. If it wasn't in New Rochelle, it was in the surrounding areas, like maybe Mount Vernon or something like that, but oh my God dude, it was so good.

When I got my first development deal,

my manager thought that I had a gambling problem, but it was really just because I was eating steak and lobster every night. (laughing) Go, where's all your money going?

- He's like, what are you doing? He's spending so much money. Do you have a gambling problem? - I was like, no, I'm eating steak and lobster every night. - I've been poor my whole life, I'm fucking eating like a king.

- Dude, this shit runs out, I don't even know if it's gonna last, but I'm riding this bitch right into the rocks. - My favorite thing about when I finally got to a point of some financial stability with this crazy career

that you go through for a long time without knowing what's next. But my favorite thing was when I could go, I can eat whatever I want now. Like that was a huge moment to me. That's one of the biggest, Brian Collins said that to me once.

He goes, the most, because other than obviously taking care of your family and mortgage and all that stuff, the after life necessity, the big change, the big change is being able to go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not think about it.

Not worry about the bill, yeah. And if you can do that, like you have real freedom. Like that's like the big, the first big leap. And then everything else do that is like these little things, it's great.

Oh, look, I live in a nice apartment. Oh, look, I have a nice car. Oh, look, I got the shoes that I wanted. Oh, look, that's all fine, it's nice. But the weight that's lifted off of you

when you don't have to worry about your bills, that's number one, that's the big one. That's the giant leap, that's the between the two buildings. Like I don't know if it's gonna work out to wee bump. Okay, I'm gonna be okay.

Now it's just about how hard do I work and what kind of success do I have? But I can feed myself now with no fears. Dude, I actually might have said this to you

“the last time I was here, I don't remember.”

But it's the most profound moment for me in practicing gratitude for my life. I swear to God, it's the supermarket. When I check out at the supermarket, I try to remind myself, you just pulled whatever you wanted

off the shelf to fill your cart, and you didn't have to worry about, can I pay for this or not? We're checking out, and you're paying for your groceries, and it costs what a car, I was like,

there are people that don't have this man. Remember this, this is-- - A ton of people. - Here's the question though. - Do you think that there's value

in not having that when you're young and then developing that sort of drive and ambition and desire to earn money and get something? Because you know what it's like to be poor. - Yes. - Or do you think the world would be

a far better place if instead of people having to concentrate on necessities like food and shelter? Society reaches a point where that is a given, and no one ever asked to worry about food and shelter. And now it's all about what you want to pursue

and how much energy you put into it,

“or do you think that you have to have that struggle?”

- I think, look, I don't think that that struggle and the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody. I think it's a, it builds your spirit, it builds your who you are.

That said, the other version of it, I don't know because it's just not a thing that we have here. - It's something that people have ever experienced here. And I don't even know if they really

experience it anywhere else. I mean, I think there's like forms of socialism, but they all evolve oppression. There's, they all involve government overreach. They all, any, any real socialist system

always involves like serious restrictions

on what you can and can't do.

- I will tell you this, and this might be a byproduct of the culture we live in, 'cause we don't have it. I will say, I, there is a noticeable difference to me between people I am friendly with that grew up with money and people that I know that grew up that didn't have it.

- Right, but is that because of our society? - That's my question. - That's, this is the question that we have. - Right, but is that because of our society? - That's my question.

- That's the, this is the question that we have. Like, is it necessary that that has to be your struggle in order to develop the kind of discipline that you need to be successful in life? Or is it just, our society has fucked up

and that desperation that we're putting into people, you're just making the motivation different. Like, you're enforcing the idea of greed because people become selfish, because no one was looking out for them, and they haven't been able to do that.

They don't want to do that. People's looking out for them, and they have a chip on their shoulder or all that chip. But you don't necessarily have to have that to have interest in pursuing something

to the best of your abilities. - Yeah, it's, it's, it's a tough thing to define. It's, it really is.

“I think, I think there's bonuses to both,”

but I also think too in, in the social society thing. Hey, isn't it great if you can go, hey man, I'm a waiter, and I'm able to live a normal life and buy a house and, and be normal, you know, whatever. - Yeah, but that's not socialist, that's just out.

We, we're fucked in terms of like the amount people earn versus what you can buy versus like the 1950s. In the 1950s, you know, the way a person can make a living and feed an entire family off of one paycheck. It was, it was way easier.

- Yeah, it was a lot easier.

- Yeah, well, it always makes me laugh

'cause one of my favorite TV shows of all time is all in the family, right? And the whole thing with all in the family was supposed to be that they were kind of struggling. Like, Archie was a cab driver and they didn't have a lot

of money, whatever. You look at that fucking house, they lived it. Like, that house would be 10.3 million dollars now. - They're living pretty fucking good. - It's a nice house.

- Right, it's all clean and nice and size. - It's got two floors. - Yeah, and the guys in cab driver. - Yeah, yeah, so, it's a tough, it's a tough thing.

But as far as the society we live in, personally,

“I think it's better to have known what nothing is”

and then go to appreciating what you do have.

- I don't know, because I've never,

I've never grown up any other way. But I wonder if you have a conscientious parents and you're a young kid and, you know, your dad just sits you down and tells you, hey, buddy, you can be whatever you want,

but you're gonna have to fucking put in the work. There's only one way out of this thing. And nobody writes for free. And if you do write for free, you're gonna be depressed. If somebody gives you everything that you have,

those are the people that are the most aimless. - Rich kids that I've met that have no, like they've had money their entire life. Their parents just give them a trust fund so they don't have to work

and they're worth like a ton of money, they're all sad. - Right. - They're all sad, then they have, they're all super insecure, they all act real weird. - Yeah.

- I know one or two people that had trust funds grew up like that, but still worked their asses off. Because again, you're saying it's what the parents are saying.

“- I think part of that is what the parents is telling you.”

- There's all this talk now of Neppo babies and all that stuff. I was good friends years ago with Eden Brolin. She's Josh Brolin's daughter. And she was very close with her dad. I remember, she was in my house one day in LA

and she's like, I'm not supposed to tell anybody, my dad's gonna be Thanos in the Marvel movies. And I was like, that's fucking crazy, right? So like, but she did, she worked for every fucking thing. She, I became friends with her because she was a hostess

at the stand in New York.

Like, she always had regular jobs.

She plays in a band now, she does some acting. But she is not in a situation where her dad put her wherever. And I think it's because they're very close, but I think it was because she was just raised in a way where he's like, you're gonna earn your shit and, you know?

And you do your thing and she's an amazing person. Like, there was none of that, none of that, my dad's famous, and I'm comfortable arrogance. - He's a cool guy. - He's a very normal guy.

- And never met him. - He's a very nice guy. - Yeah.

Like, you can hang out with talk and jokes around.

He's like, he's very present. - Yeah. - And there's a lot of people like that that you think of, you know,

“you think of actors as all being these fucking aloof weirdos”

who live in this bizarre liberal progressive leftist bubble and a lot of them are. There's a giant number that are. But man, there's a ton of like really solid, cool people that are actors.

Like Billy Bob Thornton? - Yeah. - Cool, it's fucked. - He seems awesome. - It's so cool.

- He got, actually, got me the short shirt. Shout out to him. - That's awesome. - That's awesome. - I said nice Sherman, and so he hooked it up.

- I'd love to meet him. I'd love to meet him. - He's great. There's a lot of those guys that are really great. Woody House and fucking great.

- I was just gonna say. - Yeah, McConaughey's great. - I'd be kind. - Friendly with Woody and his wife through Tony. - He's so nice.

He's the fucking bad. They're both amazing. - Yeah. - He's so, so normal. - Cool man.

- Yeah, like. - So cool and present as zero ego.

He's just always chill and hangin' out.

“Always super friendly and nice to everybody.”

Woody's so nice. He said a thing to me. The first time I ever hung out with him, he came to Kill Tony, and we were drinking after the show. We had a great time, and at the end of the night,

he just goes, and Tony had plugged my special at the beginning of the show or whatever. And at the end of the night, and I mean, we'd had a few. We were in Mitzes.

We were all kinda just gettin' into that swayin' around. (laughing) You know, and I was like, "It was great to meet you, man." And he goes, "Yeah, man, it's fun tonight." And he goes, "I'm gonna watch your special."

And I go, "Thanks, man." And he goes, "Never promised you a rose garden." And I was like, "Yeah, that's the name." And he's like, "I don't know why. I'm like this fucking guy remembered the name of my special

from a plug five hours ago." And I was like, "That's fucking awesome, man." - That's great. - What a fucking, this is a good dude. - Yeah, what did it all some dude?

- Yeah, they exist, man.

“You know, there's a lot of them out there.”

You'd be shocked. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, very cool guys. Like, talk to them on and off here. I've talked to Matt before. Actually, randomly ran into Matt Damon a few years back

in Italy at a restaurant where he was seated under a picture of him. (laughing) So I had already met him before at the UFC. And then we were in Italy.

I was with my family and he was with his family. And he sat down. We were already sitting down. And we were right across, I go, "Oh, look at that picture of Matt Damon."

And then literally, Matt Damon walks in and sits right under the picture of Matt Damon. Like, "Oh, hey, Matt." And he's like, "Hey, what are you doing here?" Give me a big hug and I was like, "But this is so meta."

- Do you ever see, so strange to look at a photo of a guy on the wall and go, "Oh, I know him." That's Matt Damon. And then he comes in and sits right there. - Right after you say it?

- It's so funny. - What the hot? - That's so funny. - What are the odds? - Do you ever see auto focus, the Bob Crain movie?

- Yes. - We're great, can you? - What a crazy movie. - I love that movie. - Hey, movies, crazy.

Do you think the guy can tell him his buddy? - Yes, I do, I do. - It seems like it. - Right, I do, I think so. But that's when they show how he would get laid on the road.

- Crazy. He would wait for the reruns of Hogan's Heroes to be on TV and then he'd sit in front of the television. He knew when they were on. There's that scene, there's that scene where he tells the bartender

and he goes, "Could you put on Channel 22?" Whatever, she puts it on and he's sitting under it and then the hot chick comes up, she goes, "Oh my God, is that you and he goes, "Oh, how embarrassing, how do you do it?"

(laughing) - Back then, you got to think Hogan's Heroes.

First of all, how much has society changed

and how much more sensitive have people gotten? When you think that Hogan's Heroes was a show about a Nazi concentration camp and it was a comedy. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It was a comedy. - Yeah.

- It was a comedy about prisoners of war that were captured by the Nazis. - Yeah. - And they made, like, they had, like, loveable Nazis. - Loveable Nazis that were like, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling, bumbling,

and a Nazi prison. - Not a one. Not a one. - Nobody got tortured. - And six years and 148 episodes. - Yes. - Yeah. - It's so insane. Do you think they get into a little bit of this in the movie

But do you think there was a lot of pushback? Do you think there was, like, the, that they were like, "What are you fucking crazy? We can't make this show." This is nuts. - Were, was it just there?

“- In the movie, was there pushback? I don't remember.”

- There's a little bit where he's, like, it's kind of crazy. - Almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event in Hogan's heroes. It was a broad comedy and the regular heroes, Hogan, Klink, Heroes. Klink, Colonel Klink, Schultz, the fucking Nazi guard. He's a hero. And the prisoners survived this series.

The notable fictional death of Major Wolfgang Hushedetter who was reportedly killed during an allied bombing raid and the common-dont dies had dawn. The title's misleading. Colonel Klink is not killed, so the practical answer is one named recurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties

implied rather than shown. - Yeah. - This was a nobody died, obviously. - That's, Klink was like, "member, I see nothing."

He said nothing. He was always like, "I gotta get out of here, I see nothing."

Like, they're all plotting, fucking, devious things to try to get back to the guards, and he was like, "I see nothing." - It's like having a show where the clan, and then the clan has the black guys, like break dancing, the clans have a good time with them.

- Yeah. The closest I've ever seen to it is Tarantino in Django when he makes the clan scene funny.

“When they're all kind of dumb, do you remember that scene?”

- I don't remember that scene. - Unfortunately. - There's a scene with the clan and I think Jonah Hill has a cameo in it and they're all kind of dumb and it's like funny dialogue with the clan. You're like, "I don't know how he just pulled this off, but he did."

- It's the scene with the bag, so they're trying to talk about the, like, my wife made mine. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Okay. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, my point was that if you go back to that year,

like what year was Hogan Seros? - Was it the '70s? - '65 to '71. - '65 to '71. - '65 to '71. - Okay. - Okay. - Being on television was a very new thing.

- Oh, yeah. - Very new thing. - A sitcom star was a very new thing. It was only at the most, what, two decades old? How old is the Honeymooners? - What year was that? - Honeymooners are the early '50s, I believe, right?

I think, and it was a spin off of the Gleason variety hour, whatever the fuck that was called. It was a sketch they did. - '55, '65? - Yeah, it's just only on TV for a year. - What? - Yeah. - What year did it start?

- It's originally aired from '55 to '56. - Wow. - That's the thing. - The Honeymooners are only one season? - So I have both Honeymooners' box sets, 'cause I love the show. - '39 episodes.

- '39 episodes in one season, that's a lot. - The main box set is called the classic '39, because that's all the episodes that weren't sketches on the show, or anything like that. He did '39 episodes, and he was like,

"We did it, it's done, it's like nobody does that now." - Right, you know, a Seinfeld did it, and Ricky Gervais does it. He does three seasons, and he goes, "That's it." They did '39, and it was a massive success,

“and they were like, "You have to do more of these."”

And he's like, "No, we did it, we have nothing left to say." - Really? - Yeah, and then they did reunion shows in ship, but like, that was it. - That's wild. - That's wild. - He went on to do all kinds of other shit, though.

He went, he was in the hustler in '62. You played a serious role. - I mean, it's so to fact. - Yeah, yeah. - You know, he was like the only guy that's ever been in a movie about a pool player,

that was a real pool player. Like, he could fucking play. Like, you watch him play in the movie, like, "Oh, okay." That's a real pool player. Like, the way he strokes the ball, he strokes the ball like a pro.

He could run like, "Think he ran like 75 balls in straight pool. It might be 100." But like, the 100 balls is like the number. If you could run 100 balls in straight pool, people would like that guy's legit.

He could run 100 balls. - Yeah. - You know, and he could do that.

- Gleason was an incredible touch.

- It's kind of interesting about the show. The sketches were over 35 minutes or more. And the writers felt restricted by the half hour format. Wow. So that partially had something that,

I'll say I had a contract issue too. So they felt restricted, but because they didn't have enough, they had it one more time to say it was too slapstick in fast-paced. According to TV Guide. Huh.

Look at this. He had $7 million left in his contract in 1956, which is crazy money. The excellence of the material could not be maintained. I'd too much fondness for the show to cheapen it.

Wow. I mean, that is ball or shit back then. Like, that is not something people were doing back then. Or he's, he just got lazy. Because he got so much money. Yeah, he had it out there. CBS was going to give him a three-year contract

for what would have been $132 million today.

- Mine is crazy. - A million episode back then. - It was close to that. No, no, no, no, no, like, what today is. - I forgot where it was on here, but. - But even that's kind of unheard of when side-filled,

when it was announced, they were all going to get a million in episode.

“I remember that was like groundbreaking.”

It was like, this has never been done before.

Whatever, this guy was offered the equivalent of that back in 56. And said, nah, I'm good. - Well, he probably already had so much money. And he was dropped all the time. - Yeah. - That guy drank all the time.

- Yeah. - He was so fun. - Did you ever watch his final interview? - Yes. - Yes. - Yeah. - He's in the contract suit. Just changed smoking.

- Oh, yeah. - He's in the contract suit. - I think he gave a fuck. - Yeah. - For actually trains, wow, he's making $839,000. - Now, the equivalent. - Right, he had to pay for production costs. - It says. - Oh, that's different.

- Yeah. - Oh, okay. - Art Carney received $3,500 a week, which is $42,000 a week now. Audrey Meto's $2,000 a week. Wow, women got fucked over back then. - No, but Jackie could be sending enterprises running the show.

So, I mean. - Yeah, he fucked her over as what I'm saying. Art Carney got fucking almost twice as much as her. - God damn. - She was his wife. - Yeah. - Yeah. - She got residuals. - What? - Yeah.

Reportedly only cast emergency residuals when the radio broadcasts. - Oh, because they had a change that shit later. Yeah, they, you know, that's where those strikes and the writers union and the sag, all that stuff will be a plays a part because you get,

I got residuals for news radio. And they're not what you think they are. Like people think it's, it's gonna like change your life

and if you never have to work again.

That's only for the people like Jerry Seinfeld that own the show. - Yeah. - The regular people that get residuals, it's nice, it's a good thing. But it, it makes sense.

They're showing the fucking show over and over and over again. It's still your work. - Yeah. - You know, it does make sense. You're reselling it so it's not the original deal that you had to put it on NBC for one hour.

Now it's like a thing where you're gonna sell it again. And so all the actors get paid again. It makes sense. - Dude, I've told you this before. I'm gonna tell you again. So it's documented.

And I know you're not that interested. But you need the fucking keep acting, dude. You're fucking great on that show. That is not easy. I, in my opinion, multi-cam sitcom,

despite it being the easiest job in show business as far as payment time versus reward. It is the hardest type of acting because it is an acting where you have to land jokes and gags and you have to make it convincing.

That is very, very, very hard to do. You are so fucking good on that show. And I watched news radio all the time still. I told you last time I was here. Got me through one of the things, got me through COVID.

Was doing news radio or front-to-back. - You need that. - You need to keep that. - That's very nice of you. Thank you very much. But I think your idea of what's very hard to do in my idea was very hard to do, or two totally different things.

- Well, 'cause the acting on a sitcom is easiest fuck. - Okay, it's so fun. - It's so fun. - It's so fun. - It's so fun. - You know what, you know what, this is, this is Joe Doros in the green room of the mother ship.

“You know what, how many times you have to say that?”

- I got a green room, you're all fucking, you know. - I'll go after you did it. - You walk funny, you look diseased, it's just that stuff. It's fucking easy. If you're a comic, it's easy.

If you're used to doing stand up in front of a live audience, that's a lot harder. And then the acting, they give you, especially if you're working with great people, you know, I was doing scenes with Dave Foley and Mauritini, and all those, they were amazing.

The cast was incredible. Kathy, excuse me, Vicky Lewis, Candy Dick, Candy Alexander, but I will save the route. - They were incredible. - I will say this to you, though. The fact that what you just said, it's easy,

is why I think you should be doing it. I think you are a natural fucking actor, and I think you're, you, I've just pretended, it doesn't have, listen, it's not Daniel,

I've never done Daniel Day Lewis acting.

That's like the real acting, Val Kilmer acting. - Right. - In tombstone. That's real acting. - I think you could. - I don't want to do it. - Well, that's interesting.

“That's how it's gonna do. - That's how it's gonna do.”

- If I had another wife, I love movies. I fucking love movies, you know what's a great show? - It's a great show, it's called Lucky. It's on Apple. It's a, but what is that lady's name with the big guys?

- I was the first episode. - She's really beautiful, but very unusual, looking. What does her name again? - I will. - Anna Taylor Joy, is that her name? - Look so. - She was in the Queen's Gambit.

She fucking killed it in the Queen's Gambit. - Onya. - Onya. Onya. - Onya, onya, onya. - Don't show them the witch, right? - Did she in that too? - I think that was her first movie

No one in my family would watch it with me. I want to watch it. I'm a giant Robert Eggers fan.

“I think he fucking murdered Noss Farado.”

I think it was the best vampire movie by far of all time. - Noss Farado was dope. The lighthouse was dope. - It's the scene, the where? Will the where, will the trailer that's coming out? - Okay. - Don't you okay, me, son of a bitch?

- I have, I have. - Don't you, okay, me, son of a bitch.

- Here's what I will say. - What the fuck are you going to say?

- I love Robert Eggers. I'm not knocking it. But it's the fourth movie he's released. We're in the trailer. I see black and white footage and a lot of people twitching. - Oh my God. - What do you need? That's what I'm looking for.

I'm like, all right, I just come on, I don't know if it's going to be different. - This looks phenomenal. - Yeah, it's, it's phenomenal. Of course he's twitching. He's turning into a whirl. There's fuck as wrong with you, Dorosa. There's no world world will be a bad movie.

- No world. - It doesn't exist. That guy knocks it out of the park A+ every movie. - The Northman. - The Northman? Have you seen that? - I did. - Fuck. - You didn't love that?

- I didn't love it. - Get out of this room. - I didn't know? - Go home. - You, it's you stop. Go home. - You tell everybody about your special act. - He's son of a bitch. How could you not like the Northman?

- I want it more battles. - What it more was. - Perfection. - And A+. - You know what took me out of it? - He might be my favorite director of all time.

“- You know what took me out of the Northman? - What?”

- You being a pussy? - No. - Take it easy. - Fuck it. No. I'll tell you what took me out of it. The cold kid been having full plastic surgery in 1650 or whatever. - It was taking me out of it. - It was fucking.

Let me see what you look like back down. - On your Taylor Joy's in this movie too. - Is she? She's in the Northman, of course she is. She rules. She rules. But I think Edgar's does great work. Erreggers, excuse me, does great work.

- Oh, he's the best. I think he's my favorite director of all time.

Next to Tarantino. Tarantino is always going to be number one.

But this guy's, because I feel like there's like levels to move. And I think Tarantino is the undeniable peak of the mountain. And then everything else is pretty dope. - The, of course, he's got some murder. He's got some killers. - But what about those guys? How about a few lemons?

- Well, I mean, you're going to have some lemons when you went. I mean, scorsesees output is incredibly high. And it's like, of course, you're going to have a few duds. - Well, this is one of the reasons why Tarantino is the goat, is because he figured out how to have no lemons.

Other than death proof, which Tony loves, we argue about it all the time. So I don't see plastic surgery in Nicole Kidman. - They showed her for a second. - Yeah, she looked good. - I don't think she's in the trailer a lot.

- That was nice. - Let me see Nicole Kidbin.

“And that was a long movie. That was a long time ago this movie, right?”

What year was this?

- That's probably the Northman pre-COVID thing.

- I think so. I think it's like 2017 or 2018. - Do I say, Jamie? - I'm amazed with Robert Eggers that he gets wide-released theatrical releases with the types of movies he does. - I think it's 'cause they sell.

- All right. - They fuck and sell, dude. I mean, they're so good. They're so good. People love 'em and they go to see 'em. I mean, that's really that simple. - It's where there was a Jimmy? - Four years ago.

- Oh, really? That was only four years ago? - Oh, shit, that's possible. - Oh, crazy. - I thought it was. - See if you could find a photo of Nicole Kidman from that. - And I'm obviously not saying the movie's bad

'cause Nicole Kidman had plastic surgery, but it did. It does take me out of it when I see somebody doing a period piece with-- - See, that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me. - She looks totally normal. - Maybe it's just 'cause I remember. - Maybe you just wanted to have plastic surgery because you're a hater.

- I'm not shitin' on Nicole Kidman. - She's gonna be a little bit of a hater. - She looks perfect. - She's gotta, yeah. - What are you saying? - Oh, where it was. - So it's perfect. - Oh, where it was. - Oh, where it was. - I don't see work, dude, I see a beautiful face.

- You son of a bitch. - Fuck is wrong with it. - Oh, it's you go. - So down there, when she's with on your tailor-joy, right there, that's her right there. So that looks a little filory, unfortunately. That look, I think, has gone away, though.

I think ladies are realizing that nobody likes it. - No. - The filer face. - Did you see a trailer for this thing, the neuromancer? - No. - What's that? - So, what's that? - Nerds are super pumped.

This is like the story where like- - Oh, I've heard- - The matrix, yeah. - Yeah, it came out of this. So I had to take a me a TV show, actually, it's not even a movie. - Wait, how do you mean the matrix came out of the idea? - Who was the buzz of like the jacking in and stuff like that?

- Yeah, so wrote that book? - Uh, I've taught my head, it's different 1984, William. - William Gibson. - Yeah, this is supposed to be a movie that people were concerned was like impossible to- a book rather, that people were concerned with- impossible to translate into a film correctly.

- Okay. - I don't know why, because I haven't read the book, but I've read that argument like there's no way you're ever gonna really need to know this. - Just jacked in and now he's like in some new space, which- I don't, I get, I haven't read it either,

I don't know, it's no spoiler alert or anything.

that they've attempted this and it looks cool.

- Hmm. - But wait a second.

“- So did the matrix just take all of its ideas from this?”

- No, here I'll all find out what I mean when I said that. - Okay. - Lucky. - Watch this so lucky. It's on Apple TV. It's only as seven episodes and it's only gonna be one season, I think.

- I just started watching the Shards, which I'm feeling. - The term Cyberspace came out of that book and then like, there you go, a consensual who- - Yeah. - consensual hallucination experience daily by billions of authorised by the matrix.

Actually itself, I think, came out of there. - Ooh. - Well, that's common. - All right, that's common. He was ahead of his time, he figured it out. - So now this is a weird thing, okay?

And this is a thing you notice with these directors that break

through and do an amazing first movie and then it's kind of

followed by a lot of ho-hum stuff. - You mean the matrix? - Yeah. - Well, the Wkowski's, the matrix was this cultural phenomenon and it changed everything and blah, blah, blah, blah. Their movies after that, except for maybe V for Vendetta,

none of them really ever lived up to that. So now we're seeing this and I'm like, well, did they just get all the great ideas for the matrix from this other thing and then they made a great movie

“and then that's why they were never able to kind of hit that again.”

Every matrix equals terrible. - They're literally jacking in the same exact way to the back of the head. - Yeah. - It's the same thing. - And they're saying the term the matrix came out of this, that's crazy.

- I'm like, I thought they made that up of it. - You know, they got sued too because some lady wrote, I think it was a graphic novel. It might have been a short story or graphic novel. I forget what it was.

But she wrote a story and brought it to them apparently. - Well, she also says she wrote the terminator for both of us. - So is she just a cook?

- That's a cook. - Yeah, manuscript titled The Third Eye

from 1980s and she, yeah, I saw this story. I remember one. - Yeah. - Let me tell you why she's a cook. - Heartless story? - Well, because she mentioned the Terminator.

Heartlin' Ellison wrote an episode of The Outer Limits called demon with the glass hand. Heartlin' Ellison sued James Cameron when The Terminator came out. And he goes, that's my fucking story. I did it on The Outer Limits in the '60s.

And Heartlin' Ellison got paid and they were like, yeah, it's actually kind of the same thing. So, this lady did not write the Terminator in the '80s. - Well, it could be multiple influences. But it could be multiple inspirations, right?

It could be. - The worst one is, and I'm a fan of it. - 'Cause it was not, we're not accusing anyone. - No, they're not. - No, they're not. - But we're saying, if someone was going to plagiarize,

why wouldn't they plagiarize for multiple sources? You can't just say, just because he stole a giant chunk of it from that one episode of a show that doesn't mean that he didn't steal a bunch of other stuff. And I'm not saying to anybody, stolen it.

- Right, right. - I don't think James Cameron stole it. God damn it. - I don't think he stole it. I think he stole it. - He might not have even seen it. There's a lot of parallel thinking when it comes to this concept of AI and robots being like people and taking it.

It's in battle, start galactic. - Sure. - You know, I mean, it's like there's a lot of that where people become robots. It's in the original Alien Movie, 1979, remember? - Right. - There's a fucking an artificial intelligence

that is their guy that they don't know is a robot until it has, I think they beat it to death. I think, how do they find out that it's a robot? - It's, um, I think they, they kill it.

“They not, not gets head off, but that's how they find out it's a robot.”

- Blankin' on the act, it's, it's, it's, um... - Oh, God. - The guy's a great actor. He's one of my favorites, and I'm blankin' on his name. So this is 79 that they did that, right? So that's the Terminator.

Like, these concepts have been around for a long time. The concepts of artificial intelligence taking over. - I think it was more the plot line of this, this robot comes back. - Oh, in time? - And it was something like that.

- Oh. - And I don't know. I don't think James Cameron stole it, because there's no other evidence of him ever swiping something. I, but I do think like we all do this thing where we see something, we don't remember if it goes into the subconscious

and maybe you go, I got a great idea and you're not realizing, oh actually, that's the thing I saw when I was 10. - He's pretty intensely creative, like an original. I don't, I don't imagine that he would do that. - Oh, I don't think so. - I don't think so.

- But Harlan Ellison did win the, the case. - Interesting. - Um, but I know how much you got. - Pay! - (laughs) How much did Harlan Ellison get for that, the lawsuit, did they disclose it?

Or did they pay him just a shot? Oh, fuck up. - Well Ellison is, I mean, he is everybody's, everybody loves sci-fi, he's their favorite sci-fi guy. - Really? - Like he is a guy. - Bold statement. He's the guy. - Ellison is the guy.

You would love, there probably should. - There's not enough time to consume all the things. - Yeah. - There's so many things to consume. - Yeah, out of, out of, out of, out of, out of, dispute ended out of court settlement.

There you go, rather than a court ruling on what, and so they just paid him, shoot the fuck up. So they probably gave him a, that check. - Yeah, there it is, soldier and demon with the glass hand. - Involve combatants from a future war arriving in the president,

including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill. Ellison argued that the terminator borrowed this course set up. Commentator's often mentioned his outer limits episode, demon with the glass hand, but Ellison himself reportedly said his principal claim concerned soldier, not that episode.

So it seemed like it wasn't, maybe there was more than one thing. Either way, you could, you know, it's like, every wear wolf movie is a guy gets bit by a wear wolf. - Sure. - You know what I mean? - Sure. - You could say no one can make a wear wolf movie anymore

because of the wolf man, because you're all stealing from the wolf man.

“- Well, I think the difference is that's wear wolf mythology.”

- Right, overall. - That's true. First is, you know what I mean?

- That's true. - Yeah, of course, yeah, I mean, that's, yeah. - Got it, bad example. - The sound of the original story. - But you would love Harlan Ellison, because he was just, - I'm sure. - My favorite story is he, he talked about when he was in college and he goes, "My literary professor said I had no talent, so I got expelled because I punched him in the throat."

- He's a maniac. - Aw, maniac. - How many bad teachers have ruined the kids? - The future. - The tell them they have no talent. - Yeah. - Right? - How many? - It's not. - So many.

- There's so many stories like that. So many stories of some shitty teacher. - It's nuts. - Did you have, when you were getting into it, well, well, how old were you when you said I'm going to go do comedy? I'm not going to do any of the shit that I studied in school. I'm going to actually--

- Fly barely studied in school. I only went to school because I didn't want to be a loser. - Right. - Literally. I went to UMass Boston. Like the continuing education program, so I didn't have to take my SATs. And I only went for three years. I was wasting my time.

In the whole time I was doing it, I was fighting. And that was my primary concern. That was what I was thinking about. And I was teaching at Boston University. - Oh, you mean like-- - Like MMA fighting. - Okay, okay, okay. - Kickboxing and Taekwondo.

- Okay. - And that was my concern. I really was the-- but you tell people, you know, what do you do? Oh, my Taekwondo fighter. Fucking loser. - You fucking loser? - Yeah. I've totally-- I would not tell people what I did.

I'm going to school. I'm going to UMass Boston.

“That was literally-- that's what I was doing.”

- Oh my god, that's so fucking fun. - Well, I'm doing it. - Four-time state Taekwondo champion in the fall of the country. - I didn't know that. - Yeah. - I knew you've had fighting in your background. - Yeah. - I knew you were champ and stuff.

- Yeah, I was really good when I was young. I had Taekwondo. I was really good. What made you switch gears from that to go into comedy?

- Well, first of all, there's no future in it. There was no future.

I tried out for the Olympics and 88. I made it to the nationals. I won the states and I won the nationals. I made to the third fight in the nationals and I lost. That was in Miami and 88. And then I realized, like, I wasn't enthusiastic about it anymore. - Yeah, you got extra cigarettes. - Thank you. - Yeah.

- Look at that. Here. - Yeah. - I knew you might-- - Thanks a lot for everything. - Yeah, yeah. And then, I was also getting brain damage and I was very aware of that. I would lie in bed at night after sparring and my head would be ringing. Just thought the robbing, just boom, boom, boom, boom.

- Jesus Christ. - I was like, I'm doing this for free. There's no money in this. I'm not making any money. Holy shit. - Yeah. - I was sparring a lot, especially kickboxing sparring. I was getting hit a lot. It was a lot of kickboxing wars and it was just not worth it. It was just not--

And I was realizing, like, I got to get out before I become that guy at the gym. Because there were some guys that I had met and then I'd watch them deteriorate a little. During the time that I knew them and I was training with them. I watched their personalities change. I watched them get, like, slower. Like, I could see their movement was compromised because they got brain damage.

They've been knocked out a few times and I was realizing, oh, this is a real problem. And no one seems to be thinking about it. Everyone's like pretending it doesn't exist because they just want to be a tough guy and they just want to fight and win.

“It becomes the thing you do and the thing you do is that the only thing you know.”

And if that thing is bowling, then you bowl every night. You know, if that thing is golf, then you golf every day. If that thing is fighting, you're fighting all the time. Yeah. And it was, by the time I was, and I was also realizing there's no future in this.

I'm not going to ever have any money. I'm always going to be poor.

I'm always going to be like wondering where my next paycheck coming from.

And I got talked into doing stand-up on my friends. That's literally how it started.

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I mean, you moved fairly fast, right? Through stand-up. Well, see, I did half hour comedy hour, MTV half hour comedy hour. I was like, five years in, five years in the stand-up. And then I got on the television show Hardball. The show I did with Jim Brewer. Yeah. Did that flew out here or flew out to California, rather. And that got canceled after six episodes. And then I got news radio right away.

So I only auditioned for two shows ever. Wow. Hardball and news radio. And I got bold of them. It was the luckiest streak of all time. No acting. I took a couple of acting classes that I had to take when Disney gave me the money. The first development deal. This said, "Do you know how to act?" I'm like, I don't know. No fun of why you guys give me money. It made no sense. Yeah. They just wanted to put me on a sitcom. And, you know, this was in the 90s when sitcoms

was like, "Rose Anne and Seinfeld." It was a gold mine. If you could find a personality, that you thought was someone who would click on a sitcom that people would want to watch, you know, every Tuesday night or whatever it was, they were very willing to pay you a lot of money.

And then all of a sudden, I was out in LA, but it was never a desire of mine.

So because it was in a desire of mine, I didn't get nervous. I didn't get nervous doing auditions. I was not, it was not a thing while I was, "Who's could change my life?" This could be it. It was like, "What am I doing here?" What is this? What am I doing here?

“It's, you're good at it. That's what you were fucking doing there, right?”

It's not, it's not hard to do. It's again. It's not real acting. It's not, you know, Marlin Brando. It's, it's just, you're just pretending that this thing is happening in the, the newsroom. It's not hard. It's fucking easy. It's fucking easy. I mean, the meantime, I'm doing jujitsu. I was still sparring back then. So I go to the Jet Center and kickbox, and it's sparring. And so I'd go to work. I'm like, this is so easy. This is so easy. We compared to stand up and kickboxing.

And did you notice, when you said you were, you were noticing damage happening, because you're head throbbing and ringing. Did you notice any other effects or did you cut it off before any effects could actually, you know, like, like, actual things that were affecting you? No. I didn't notice anything like I was compromised or I couldn't think well, or I was forgetting things. It wasn't like that. I think I cut it off before I got that bad, but I definitely got some brain damage. 100%. And I think it plays a part of my impulsiveness in my,

I, you know, I like scary things. I like, I like things that make me nervous. I like things that are really hard to do. And I think that might be part of that. Right. Is it? I got rattled a bunch of times in my formative years. Yeah. Because it's from 15 to 21. Who knows how many times I got hit in that, is a lot. You're, you're, we're, we're very different in that way. You're, you're, you're a guy that I think like very much likes a child, the, conquering the challenge, you know, you know, you know. Well, it keeps me sane.

“That's what keeps me sane. I think you make your, the voluntary things that you engage in that are way more”

difficult than the rest of your life. It makes the rest of your life easier because these hard things that you do voluntarily, voluntary adversity force yourself to do hard things all the time. So then when other things that are seemingly hard come up, you're like, oh, this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge. This ain't shit. I just did a, I work out a high poxia workout. And so it's that I have a box in my studio that goes to, it takes all the air out. So it puts you at the equivalent of 15,000 feet above sea level. And

And you do the kettlebell cleans and presses or swings. And you get off of that. And you do the sled. And you push the sled or you do backwards on the sled. And it's got varying resistance. And you do them in these 50-second, 40-second, and then 30-second sprints. So like everything else is easy. God, I just, I can't. I admire it. I admire the shit out of it. Well, it's just, for me, I think everybody should do something hard. It keeps me saying. For me,

I need it. I don't know, you know, I'm not other people. I don't pretend to know how they feel. But I know how I feel if I don't exercise regularly, I have more anxiety. I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel good. I'm more irritable. I don't like it. I don't like that feeling. When I am, like, when I work out really hard and I do the things that I'm supposed to do,

“I feel great. I feel friendly. I'm feel happy. I feel light. I feel like life is easy.”

Yeah, it's a thing. I'm not, I'm not blown smoke. It's a thing I've noticed about you. You're very, I would even say happy go lucky kind of guy. Like you're, you're very friendly.

You're always in a very good mood. I'm very rarely seeing you. And I see you frequently now at the club.

Very rarely seeing you come in where you're like, "Ah, fuck." Like, I don't think ever to be honest with you. And it's, I guess, everything you're saying. Like, it gets you a choice. It's a choice to feel like that. That don't do you any good. Unless you're trying to do something with that, fuck this. Unless you've got some shit you have to get done. That's hard. And you want to have this attitude, where you're going to attack it. Like, fuck this. Like, regular life. Like, why, why, why am I upset?

Why? Why? Why? You're not in Gaza. What are you doing? You're not, you're not in Ukraine. How are you going to fucking bunker? Like, we're talking about. Yeah. What are you bitching about? Yeah. You're living an easy life in America in your rich. Right. Like, how dare I be upset? Sure. How dare I? Sure. Imagine. Sure. With the fortune, the luck that I've had in this life,

“how me being pissed off at things. That's why it doesn't bother me. People talk shit about me. They're”

like, okay. Like, talk that shit. You can have fun. You could teach everyone YouTube was doing those master classes. We're like a guy would sit down. Like, Steve Martin would be like, I'm going to teach you how to do right comedy or whatever. And David Mehmet did one on writing, whatever. You could do a master class on YouTube in how to let the shit roll off your back. Because I am astounded at how much it does not bother you when people are releasing clips

and talking. Yes. And it's all bullshit, whatever. And you're just like, yeah, I have fun.

Have fun. Not yourself out. You can't stop people from having an opinion. There's always

going to be people that have an opinion. And then in this market of hot takes, there's always going to be people. And their opinion is negative opinions are more valuable in terms of the commodity of attention attacking someone, being, you know, calling someone out. It's more valuable in this commodity. And then there's people that have legitimate differing opinions in me. And they, you know, they don't like this. And they don't like that. You know, like I said this or they don't like this.

Person that I had on. What am I supposed to do? Address all of it. But even think about it, I police myself as much as I can. Believe me. If I fuck something up, I'm mad at me more than anybody's mad at me. Right. So that way, I get it out on my own. I don't need a lot of external validation. I don't need any. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in doing the best I can. I hope people like it. And that's it. I went. The little shit gets me man. I know it does.

I get like, you need an outlet Joe De Rosa. You need a physical outlet to calm your mind. Yes.

“That's you need to get a trainer. Just hire a trainer. We talked about this. We have been talking”

about it. Get a trainer. Yeah. Because you're not going to do it on your own. Get someone who you show up three times a week and they put you through the paces and a smart trainer will do it nice and slow. So the first few workouts and won't even be that hard. You leave there. You'll feel like energized. You won't feel exhausted. You'll feel like, all right, I did a little something. Feel good. And then he's like, okay, this is a process. You know, we're going to keep ramping

this up slowly but surely. But you're never going to be like, oh my god, I can't fucking move.

I went to my fucking trainer. He's killing me. My back is killing. I can't get off the couch. No, no, no, no, no. A good trainer is going to look at you. Ask you what even doing was last time you worked out how often you do, okay, let's start here and they'll start you off with some simple bodyweight stuff. They'll put you through some different mobility exercises, different stuff to just get them. Get the joints, looped up, get everything moving and then build

OTs dad, Chuck. Yeah. Right when you and I talked about when you were like, you should get a trainer.

Chuck said to me, unprompted. He goes, Joe, let me train with you. Dude, take him up on. Yeah, he goes, he goes, I'll come to your apartment. Let's just go. I'll come to your apartment. See you guys jacked. Yeah. Take him up on it. He knows what he's doing. And he said everything you just said he goes, we're going to go slow. It's not going to be this overwhelming thing because I get overwhelmed easily, obviously. And I was like Chuck, it's going to be too much and I'm going

to start and he goes, we're not going to do that. We're going to take it really slow. Let me just

“come to your place, whatever. And so I think I'm going to start doing it with him because I just need to.”

Yeah, if you go to the wrong trainer, there's some trainers out there that are meat heads. Or they don't really know what they're doing and they'll beat you down. And they're like, fuck, push it to the, like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't push it when someone doesn't work out. When someone doesn't work out, you go nice and slow. Nice and easy. And then you slowly build up to the point where you can push it, right? You don't take a fucking Prius and you drive it around

the racetrack sideways. It's not designed for that. The suspension is going to fall off. The wheels are going to, there's no traction. You got no tires. You're going to have to build up everything. Yeah. And then once it gets built up, then you can push it. So once you're getting, look at jelly roll. Jelly roll lost literally almost 300 pounds. Which is crazy. Now he's running on the treadmill. He did six miles when we came in to do a podcast. We were all working out together.

Right. And he's fucking running on the treadmill while we're talking. We're talking. He said, like, he can breathe. He can talk. He's running a good clip. Got in the sauna with me.

He did the whole thing. When I first met him, he was 500 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. Could barely make it

up to the stairs to the comedy club. He couldn't, couldn't walk up the stairs. Now he's fit. Now he's healthy. He runs all the time. Yeah. So it's just a process of building to get to that place. Like he did that show. McConaughey has this benefit every year. And we went to the benefit. And he performed at the benefit. And he's on the stage. And we were backstage watching it. And so we're like in the me and Tony and his girl in my wife. We're in the corner watching this.

Jelly gets off stage. And there's a railing like a ramp to get off. He grabs the railing and hops over it. It lands on the other side. I go, dude, do you know what you just did? I go, you used to be 500 pounds. Yeah. And now you just jumped over that railing like a cat. That's why it was

amazing. That's why it was so happy. He's like, "That's crazy." I'm like, "It's crazy. Look what you've

“done." That's why. And that's what you have to do. You have to, and it took him years. And that's how”

you have to do it. It has to be slowly but sure. But along the way, you'll feel better every step of the way. It's not about, it's all about breaking your body down. It's about slowly introducing movement and some physical exercise and then building upon that. 10 pushups in a day. Then the next day, you try 12. And then a week later you're doing 15. And then two weeks after that, maybe you can do 20 in a row or three weeks a month, two months. Whatever it is, everybody's got their own timing.

Body weight squats, very simple. Start with 10. No big deal. Get to 90 degrees, pack up. Just say not, just to get the blood moving. Walking is fucking great. You know what's really great? Walking with a weighted vest. Not that hard to do. Put a 20 pound vest on, 25 pound vest on, walk around the block. Yeah. It's fucking great for you. Yeah. There's a lot of different things that you could do that don't crush you. And then you're just going to feel a little better.

You'll have a little bit of more vitality, more blood flow. And then you build upon that. That's the key. I was building slow. I was doing three days a week and it was getting better and better and then end of the summer hit August hit. I started going on the road again and all of a sudden starts to taper off because you're like, now I got to fly on this day when I'm usually doing my thing and then I got lazy and I got to get back into it. I got to get back into it. But the

good thing is this with what you're saying with the slow build. When I start again, I'm able to start where I stopped. I'm able to start there again. You know what I mean? Right, rather than where you began. Exactly. That's great. Yeah. That's listen man. It's all about momentum. Discipline is very important. But really momentum makes discipline a lot easier. You know, it's like you say, oh, you've got really good discipline. Like sort of, I get started.

Once you get started, it's more about momentum than it is about discipline. Right. And then it's

“also about writing things down. If you just write it down, you have to do it. Right.”

Write it down and make a check. That way. Instead of keeping this thing in my head, oh, I'm just going to figure out my own workout. I'll do this. I'll do that. No, I have a white board. I write

These are your exercise 20 reps of each of these and I just kept adding exercises. I don't know a good app. But I'm sure there's some out there that are really good workout app that will vary your workout every day based upon your level, based upon like, you know, how much experience you have. I try it. It's their kit. The apps get confusing. I try to couple of them. There's got to be a good one out there. I just don't know what they are. It's a lot of questions that I'm like,

I don't fucking know. Well, that's because they're trying to make it good. They're going to try to make an app that gives you what you need. But yeah, exercise apps. Again, there's good ones. I'm sure. But exercise apps kind of became like dating apps where there's a million that are all

“saying we're going to change your life in three days and you're like, no, I think most important”

is it's a real good trainer is more important because he can correct your form in real time. Tell you why don't do it like they're going to hurt you back. Don't do it like this. You put too much pressure on this and that and, you know, balanced, whatever it is, he can get you to do it correctly, which is more important than anything. Yeah. When especially once you start actually lifting weights, you know, Pavel Tatsulin, who's the, he's the guy who really brought kettlebells

to popularity in America, it's Russian cat and a great system of training. But one of the things that he said that really stuck with me, said strength is a skill. And you just think of strength as a skill. Okay. So like when you're working on your skills, like kettlebell cleans and presses, you shouldn't be exhausted. You should do, he does, instead of doing it to failure, you know, like a lot of people like to work to fail. Imagine you can clean and press 50 pounds, 10 times

“until you're like really exhausted. And on the 10th time, you're really kind of cooked. Don't do”

10, you do five. Right. Just do five. And then wait a long time, wait like five minutes, rest up completely and then do another five. Do it that way. That's interesting. Because that way,

you're always fresh and you're, you're working on skill. You're still getting the same amount of

repetitions, but you're not torturing your tissue, you're not taxing your system, you're learning and you're not at a taking any shortcuts, you're not moving weird, you know, like bleeding into something in a weird way, you're going to hurt yourself because you're all out of line. You're doing everything with correct form because you're not exhausted. Yeah. But you're still getting the same amount of work in. The rest time is interesting because I, I always thought, well,

like, I was doing two different types of pushups. I was doing the fucking 45 finger spread down, hold up, whatever. And I could get through 20 of those initially. I couldn't. And then when I was able to get through 20, I was like, holy shit. And then I was doing a different push-up with the arms back like this. And those, when I got to that, I, I'd hit 10 and I'd be like, fuck. And then I'd sit for a minute and then I, a minute would go about it. Like, you got to do the

other 10 because if you know, if you wait too long, I always thought waiting too long was a bad thing.

But you're saying, no, actually rest five minutes, take a break. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. As long as you have the time to do the same amount of reps, you just want to get enough work in so that your body forces adaptation. It doesn't have to be all too failure. Now again, depends on what we're trying to do, right? If you're trying to build up muscular endurance, then yeah, you go to failure. It depends on what you're trying to do. If you're just trying to get

stronger, that's a different thing. And then, you know, obviously, I do different kinds of workouts, like the workout I did today. This, it's all exhaustion stuff. It's all sprinting. It's not like the kettlebell stuff. This is all high altitude and it's all like maximum intensity on the air dine bike, maximum intensity on the sled, maximum intensity on the kettlebell cleans. You're beating yourself up because you're only doing it for 50 seconds or 60 seconds, 40 seconds and then

30 seconds. So it's like I do a bunch of different kinds of exercises. But when I do like strength stuff, I don't ever do it to failure. Can you do, is there a thing? Like, like, some people go,

the hundred push-ups a day, whatever, that's their thing. I always wondered, well, is it the same

if you do a hundred push-ups just throughout the day or what? 100%. 100% 100%. That's an answer if you start at nine and finish it three. Farmers don't lift hate to failure, right? They pick up a bell of hay. They chuck it under the pile. They go back to get another one. They pick up a bell of hay. They chuck it on the pile. They go back to get another one. They push a wheelbarrow. They fucking hammer a post down. They do a bunch of different things. They do it all throughout the day. But they're

never doing anything where they're just very rarely, at least, where they're lying flat at their back breathing. They think they're going to have a fucking heart attack. They never have that. They never get to the point where they're dropping the bell of hay because their arms are shaking.

“And they're like, one more rep. But yet they get ridiculously fucking strong, right? Why?”

Because of all the work, it doesn't have to be work to failure. And in our mind, we think, oh, you have to go to failure in order to get stronger. Again, we're talking about very specific things,

If you're doing something else, if you're trying to get maximum amount of bench press,

if you're trying to like win a competition or maximum amount of chin ups, you can do, then it's a different thing. We're talking about a different thing. But if you're just talking

“about overall building strength for your body, the most important thing is volume, I think.”

Okay. And if you can, like I said, I think this principle that Pauval Testoline has is a really good one, that instead of doing 10, if you do 10 to failure, do 5, wait a while, do 5 again. And I think it lessens the opportunity to get injured. You're much less likely to get injured doing it that way. I'm very rarely injured from working out, very rare from just kettlebell stuff, like very rarely. Right. All right. All right. You're inspired me to hop back in and start doing it again.

I've got to, I've really just got to get somebody to help you. You know, get Mexican OTs dad. Yeah. Get him to help you. Yeah. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. No, that dude's fucking jack. Yeah. That's, that's, that's perfect guy. And he's, the way, what he said is the right, like he knows what he's doing. That's why he's the, the guy to get you, do it in nice and slow, and just build you up. And also he's fun. It's cool to hang out with. Yeah. That, you like that, too.

You don't want to be an annoying trainer. It's always asking you to post about him on Instagram.

“Yeah. Yeah. I'm on. Amen. Do you post, I got an energy drink I'm trying to promote?”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get those DMs. Yeah. Exhausting. Yeah. All right. I'm back. There you go. You're back. I'm back in, baby. I read the craziest thing today. And I need to find out that it's true. I sent you the thing that we're Nick Fuentes was talking about, Jamie. So apparently there was this plot where Iran was trying to kill Trump. Remember when he was supposed to get in the Air Force one that Cotter gave him. Mm-hmm. And then instead he flew in the old Air Force one.

Okay. Well, they're saying that he actually didn't even go in the old Air Force one,

that they snuck him out on a truck. Okay. Like some fucking cargo truck. Okay.

And then put him in another kind of plane and flew him out of there. And then they put the press in Air Force one. Because they were, I think they were apparently worried they were going to target Air Force one as well. So imagine, Trump put the press on Air Force one. And they were thinking about possibly targeting them. Holy shit. He hit an Airport catering container and was taken to a military jet for a secret flight out of the country after the NATO summit last month.

And this is being reported by the New York Times. The thing is though, I think they put the press on Air Force one. So if they flew him out, because they were worried they were going to try to take down Air Force one. And they took the press, they took the press off and they know

“that. That's why I want them. I don't know that. You're right, James. It's exactly normal.”

Exactly. And if the press dies, so sad. Oh my. You just get more press. That's fucking wild. If that's true, that is so wild that he didn't even tell them. Hey guys, we're not really going to get on this plane. No one's getting on this plane. You guys get out of here. Go take American Airlines home. No. He's like, hop on. It's safe. Yeah. It's Air Force one. Guys, my gift to you. Take Air Force one. Enjoy it. There's food up there sandwiches on there.

Enjoy yourself. Is that absolutely what happened? Uh, this is reporters on the older plane. We're not told the Mr. Trump had not flown with them from Turkey to an air base in Britain. Making them unwitting participants in the ruse and leaving them along with some White House staff members to serve as unknowing decoys. Holy shit. They arrived in Britain. He was secretly moving back to the older version of Air Force one. Bro, she's just Christ. Those press people

were signing up for something. They didn't know. They didn't know what they were signing up for. And they didn't tell them at all that when you want to know like who's more important. You were the president. That's when you find out. Yeah. They just throw you on Air Force one. I don't know. Okay. Trump Cocktail. It's boom. All of a sudden you turn into fucking protons. It's like fucking good fellows. When he's telling Karen to go, go, go to have

to get the dress. No, no, no. No, no, no. Okay. Karen. Holy shit. That is fucking wild. Is that crazy? That is fucking wild. That's crazy. Yeah. Are they, are they, is there, has there been backlash? Are they, are they, are Jamie, are they saying anything? Who's saying anything? The press. I would imagine they're a little perturbed. That would perturbe me. Jesus Christ. That's so crazy. Holy shit. Imagine if it blew

He would probably talk shit about them. Oh my god. That is fucking wild. Maybe they had written nice of things about me. I would have told them. Oh my god. Did you, I just watched, um, I just watched, uh, Michael, Michael Jackson movie. How was it? It look, it's the first part of his life up till bad. They don't get into any of the crazy shit. They're saying they're making a sequel that they might get into the, some of the crazy shit. But it was, it was fun. I'm a big

Michael Jackson fan. I was fun to watch. But I started reading up on Michael Jackson after words because I was like, it just, it was very nostalgic to watch. Do you know this? When he died, he was pronounced dead at Neverland Ranch. And they lied to the press and said that he was at a hospital already and pronounced dead because they had to get the body out of Neverland Ranch. And they knew if he, they pronounced him dead at Neverland Ranch. They wouldn't be able to get the fucking

body out of the goddamn house. Why? Because they said the press would leak it and the clamoring of fans and whatever else would literally have blocked them from getting the fuck, from transporting the body. So they had the lie and say, he's dead already, but he's at this hospital. And it was

“a decoy because that's how fucking famous he was. They were like, we can't drive his dead body”

from this location to another, or we're never going to get it there. I want to get a finger.

Yeah, something. We'll get a finger. Yeah, we would have garden clippers, something, trust steel. And here's another crazy thing. Because I know you've talked about the Michael Jackson like the conspiracies around his death on the show before. This is another crazy thing I didn't know. He owned, you know, he had that vast music catalog that he bought of music publishing. Right. He owned the Beatles. Beatles M&M. He bought M&M. M&M made fun of him in a video and he bought

M&M's fucking catalog. There's a fuck you. The most. Pimp move ever. I'm going to buy all your fucking music. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So he owns this catalog, right? It's, it's, I think he, he might own Dylan. It was crazy that the, the rights to the music that he owns was not right. He's with Sony, Sony wants the publishing back on all these artists and he owns it. And when he did his last album,

he had to take out a loan against the record company of $200 million to do the album because

he didn't have a lot of money left. And they said, you got to put up collateral. And he goes, all right, I'm going to, I'll put up a portion of the catalog as collateral. And then he before he died, he goes, they're not promoting my album. And because they're not promoting my album, it's not selling. And then everybody close to him said, it was a rose. They didn't promote the album on purpose, so that he would lose the fucking catalog because he wouldn't be able to pay the loan back.

And then right after that he died. Really fucked up. That's the business he was in. Yeah.

“You buy people shit. They fuck you over. That's how it works. Yeah. Yeah. It's my man. Well,”

it's dark. You play in wars. You play in wars. They blow up Air Force 1. You got to go, hey, maybe we shouldn't have fucking killed the leader during Ramadan. This is how it works. This is the game we're in and this is the business we chose. Insanity. He's in the business of fucking over his enemies. They decided he was there. Enemy, they fucked him over. The doctor that administered the drug that killed him is out of jail already. Two years. And they're like,

no, this guy was just a fall guy. Well, you know, the thing about the doctor is he was asking the doctor to do that. The doctor shouldn't have done that. It's only the doctor killed him on purpose. Like, he wanted to get a necetized. I think he was so crazy that he couldn't sleep. And he was so out of his fucking mind. And he was probably on a bunch of stuff. He probably wasn't just on

“proper fall. If you're willing to take proper fall to go to sleep, what else are you taking?”

Right. You're taking some other things. Yeah. Right. The doctor, the one thing that he said that I found very fascinating was that he said that Michael had been chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice. I've heard that. Yeah. And it makes sense. It completely makes sense. If you look at his body, it makes sense. His body looks like it's devoid of testosterone. Yes. It has no testosterone. He's very thin. If you look at his brothers, they're all thick. They're all

like big dudes. Yeah. Jermaine. They're all like men. They look like men, like thick men. Yeah. He looks thin and he looks very different than them. That's not normal. Yeah. That's not normal. That is that's not even normal if you don't work out. And he was a dancer. So he was incredibly athletic. Right. So, and all the working out that he did, he should have been supple. I mean, he was

obviously. He could move so good. I mean, he was his movement was incredible.

The one. Well, okay. So, which the many series that Sam Rockwell was in or all that jazz.

“There was a movie. Now, before that, along earlier, and it's Bob Fossy doing all the dance moves”

that Michael Jackson did. I know what movie you're talking about. It's him and like a little kid. He's in the desert and doing it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's literally all of Michael Jackson's signature dance moves come from this one moving. Watch this. Watch how he moves. Yep. So there's this. He's doing this, but then he also moonwalks. Like, look at this. Like, all this, this is Michael Jackson. Wow. I mean, 100%. Yeah. Wow. Look at this. The kick in the

point with the toes and putting it down, the movement. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's literally every movie does. Look at that. That point with the kick and the toes. Even the outfit. It's a 1974 movie The Little Prince. Yeah. Little Prince, rather. Even the outfit with the fedora. Bro. I mean,

“literally he mirrored his movements. It is incredible that Bob Fossy had the stamina and”

ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life until he dropped that. Because if you watch

the Sam Rockwell mini series, Fossy Inviridin, which is an amazing mini series, that guy,

bro, he was. I mean, it was intake. That's all it was. He'd wake up. He's popping fucking pills, speed, boom, boom, boom, coke, booze, cigarettes all day long. Change, smoking, change smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, change smoke. Drunk through the whole fucking day. Poppin pills, doing coke. And the fact that he could still stand and not just stand, choreograph Broadway shows for hours and be that agile. Whatever is that's insane.

It's because you loved it. It's insane. That's the thing. Find the thing you love. Find that thing

and you will have the energy to pursue it. It's really it. But aren't you, aren't you a little

maze that that his intake of substance could not, would not hinder it in. It's kind of crazy, you know? But I mean, we've seen that before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's, yeah. Yeah. I hear you. There's British people that have unreal tolerance. It's like Shane with with booze. It's on real. Yeah. When you see him pound 16 bud lights and not a slur, not a stammer. It's worth nothing. Doesn't miss a beat. Put the sunglasses on. It starts getting crazy. Like we do protect our

parks and he'll have a stack of empties at the end. You're like, that is insane. You should be dead. You should literally be dead. My favorite Shane story ever, ever. I don't mean to tell his story, but this is my favorite Shane story ever. And I was the other day I go, dude, you have to do that on tires. It's so funny. He said he ate chicken fingers and he felt sick and he goes to the doctor

“because he's like, I think I have food poisoning or something. It's like something's wrong, right?”

So he goes to the doctor goes, you know, he's asking all the questions. How much do you do this? Whatever. He goes, how many drinks do you have in a week? And Shane said he took a beat and he's like, I'm going to be honest for once. And he goes, 80. 80. Oh, that's so crazy. We said the doctor starts laughing. He goes, no, come on, man. Seriously. And he goes, 80. And the doctor goes, it's not the chicken fingers. You drink a drink a week, right? And I go, whatever he goes,

I went home. I threw up. I was fine the next day. It was the chicken fingers. We were at, we were at Chappelle's summer camp thing, the ranch thing. And we're hanging out and I'm about to go on. Shane goes, come on, have a drink. Have a drink. I go, dude. I already had two, man. I got to go on, dude. I got to be careful. Like, he goes, having a drink dude. You'll be fine. I go, Shane. I don't want to be tipsy. He goes, what number drink is that for you? I go,

three. He goes, I've had 17 bud lights. I haven't done the fucking drink. And he doesn't want to be alone in drunk land. He wants you to be there with him and happy drunk land. He's a happy drunk, though. The best. I love him. He's so fun. He's such a fun dude. He's such such a unique person. He's very different than anybody I've ever met. He's like, you would think by, you know, you hear him. You think, like he's similar to someone you know,

Love's history. Love's it, man. Love's history. And yeah, he's a very unique specimen.

“He's, and as you said, a very fun drink. I was just down at the beach with him. And he was on the”

beach all day. And I was at the house, I called it early. And I was just kind of chilling out inside with McCusker and Tommy watching a movie. We're just chilling. And Shane came back from the beach. And he was all fucking tuned up from white claws wherever he was drinking. And I was laying on this love seat in the room watching the movie. And he just kept coming up to me. And he's kept tickling me. He's going, come on. No, no, no, no, no. You're awesome. You're fun. It's just,

he's so fun, man. Yeah, he's life of the party. Him and Joey deas in a room together with everybody else is like, oh my god, you got two enormous personalities, life's at the party in the room together. He has kills me. He's the best, man. He's out here all the time now. I know. Yeah, I mean, he's getting a place here at the end of the month. And he's going to do

“residency. So he's going to do like two weeks a month. He's going to be here. That's awesome.”

Oh, that's fucking incredible. It's incredible. He's the best man. He's the fucking best. It's

it's so fun having it. I was doing, the last time he was here, I was doing my monthly, my end friend show at the mothership. And he was the first, the first comic was on whatever and he goes, he's like, yo, could I go up on your show? And I go, of course. And he went up and it was just seeing the pop from the audience and just, I was like, man, this is fucking great dude. It's fucking fun having him around. We're very lucky. Yeah, we're very lucky. We got an amazing

group of people around us all the time. It's a lot of fun. And he said the funniest fucking thing we were talking about like diet and exercise and lifestyle change, you know, and uh, COVID, I was doing too much of this or that. And I go, when was your big change, man? He goes, he goes, y'all, you know what fucking day it was? And it was the day of fucking resurrection. And we go, what? And he goes, fucking January 6th, the fucking resurrection. We go,

do you mean the insurrection? He goes, you know, the fuck it was called, I don't give a fuck. He used to call Kubeb, no, I'm like, man, off Call of Beep. The fucking Call of Beep guy. He knows it's a part of his charm. Fucking out people's names. Oh my god, he's so funny. The best dude, man. He loves right near where my parents live in Jersey. And uh, I was like, oh dude, man, when I go see my folks, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get in the car and drive up and hang out with you

for a night because it will be such a great break from just being in my mom and dad. And he's just the piece of the best man. He's just got a truly big hearted dude. I was really worried

once he moved to New Jersey, we'd never get him out here because uh, I went with them, we went out

to eat New Jersey and he's the King and New Jersey. I'm like, fuck, everywhere we go. Joe way. Yeah, cheer, y'all on his name went to the restaurant, everybody knows him. This is like immediately, everybody's like running over to take care of us. Joe is here. Joe is here and I'm like, oh, he's the King and New Jersey. He's never gonna leave. He's never gonna leave. He loves it here. But there wasn't enough comedy there for him. No. What are it? Wasn't enough comics. And one

of the things that I always say is that we don't exist in a vacuum. We always exist with each other, comics in particular. You can't really do comedy by yourself. You can, but you can't do it to your

“best. You need other people doing it around you. You need to see it, you need to get around it,”

the hang, the talking about bits in the green room is so huge. Like, a son has given me two killer taglines after like seeing a bit and saying, what about this? Like, oh my god, that's perfect.

Yeah. Like, those things like we're always like tuning each other's shit up or reminding each other

of a bit, I remember Tony's bits better than Tony does sometimes. Like, I had to tell him how a bit goes. He's like, oh my god, I forgot that. I might do that. Go do that. Go do that right now. He went up and did it right then and murdered. That's right. I like you forgot. You've got the bit. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a very, it's a very, it's a very individualized sport in the sense of, of golf where you're playing, like, you're always playing against yourself, but it's a very communal

sport in the sense that you're not playing necessarily in a literal sense with the team, like, like a sketch group would, but you're playing with the team. You know what I mean? Yeah. The team is, is in the green room. The team, you're playing with the team in the sense that your buddy is on before you, your buddy is on after you. You're all doing sets together. And, and the

and the guy after me to have a good game, so I can't fuck up his game. Yeah. And it's, it's a very

interesting dynamic of team versus individual play. There's also just the atmosphere elevates you. And I noticed that for sure about the comedy store in the glory days. In the glory days, like 2014 to 2019 when we left, like, whoa, there was so much activity there. There was so many guys that were going up. There's so much good comedy that you would just get elevated, just being around it. Like, it raised your own personal bar, like what your high watermark was. And it just, you know,

you're around, like, guys are really tight acts. And it just, it really helps. It helps everybody.

“It's just, it's so important to be around other great comics. You know, and that's why”

these hubs, like New York is so great for that LA, and now Austin, it's like these hubs are so important because you really, we go on the road on the weekends, right? That was the thing about the store. But on Tuesday and Wednesday were some of the best nights. Because on Tuesday and Wednesday, it would be Jasselneck, Diaz, a fucking Greg Fitzsimmons, Domarara, over and over a murderous row. The sun borrower would pop in. It may be Chris Rock was in town. It was like, God damn, these

nights were insane. They were so good. I'll tell you the reason I moved to Austin and the thing that continues to be the greatest challenge for me here in a good way, in a constructive way. Because people say all the time to me online and shit, they'll be like, oh, you moved to Austin

“to, for Kill Tony. I'm like, I didn't fucking move to Austin. We go, I knew Tony and I were friends,”

and I had done the show. I didn't become kind of a part of that show until after I lived here. Because Tony started to put me on and we started to have fun and then it grew from there. You and I were buddies, but like, we're much tighter as pals now than we were around you all the time. Exactly. Yeah. So I moved here primarily for, well, number one, I love Austin,

and I always, and I still live here and I always want to go back and once you could do comedy here,

it was like a reason to go back, right? And you could work. The other reason was, I was like, I did New York, I did LA, I want a new challenge and there's a new scene now and all that stuff. But the thing that puts me on my toes the most and still does is this is the best place for young comics to be able to pursue comedy because they can actually live here. They can afford it. New York has become unaffordable, LA has become unaffordable. A young comic can come here, can live,

like a human being and pursue their dream and those are the guys that keep me on my toes because you're like, dude, it doesn't matter if I'm the only guy on this lineup that has done TV or whatever. You got five people going up that are fucking swinging for the fences because when you're young, you really are like, I got to fucking prove myself. So you're following, even if it's for our known people, they're doing their A shit. They are trying to kill as hard as humanly possible.

“And you're like, all right, I guess this is, I got to fucking bring it, you know what I mean?”

There's that and it's also their enthusiasm for it. And the thing about Austin is we have a real system at the club that actually develops talent. Like we have two nights of open miconights and we have a real talent coordinator. Adam really watches everyone. He watches the open miconights. He gives people advice. He gets them spots. He helps them. He gets them on his showcase nights. He puts them on, he gives them sets. He gives them feedback. And then they get to work all

around town. There's five other fucking clubs on the same street, man. It's crazy, dude. You can walk from your place to sunset, to the creek, to Vulcan, Black Rabbit, to Vulcan. And then if you don't mind walking 20 minutes, you can be at Roscoes, East Austin. It's fucking nuts, man. It's crazy. And then there's also Cap City, which is on the other side of town. It's

fucking awesome. It's amazing here. Yeah. And, you know, there's so many young people that have

moved here now. And then the kiltony thing. The kiltony thing is so huge because it's first of all, you have one minute. You have no room for virtue signaling, no room for fucking clapped or shut the fuck up. Just where's the jokes? Come with the jokes. And then no one takes it. Anybody, no one's taking themselves seriously. Everybody's getting cracked on. Everyone's cracking on

What makes people laugh? Yeah. And there's a bunch of different styles that do it. You know,

“there's a bunch of different weirdos that go up every week. And most of them have no chance.”

But there's some gems. Yeah. That's the thing about having like a true meritocracy, where all that matters is if you're funny. The set doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter what your background is. There's, I mean, the kiltony is like one of the most diverse lineups you're ever going to see. For all the people to think that Tony's a Nazi, it's kind of hilarious because they trans people, disabled people, you know, people from all walks of life,

home, literal homeless people have gone on stage, started a career because of kiltony. They're literally homeless while they're doing it, sleeping in a car. And the next thing you know,

they have a career. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's an, it's a truly amazing thing. It's, you know,

we just did, he just did MSG. And I was there and did the show. And then, and then paddled with Jimmy Carr at a tell. Do you know, crazy that is that kiltony sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row crazy when I first did it with him. We did it in the fucking the belly room at the store and the only people in the audience were like comics. There was nobody in the audience. There was like

“ten other people maybe. Dude, I remember, excuse me, I was down here to do South, I was running”

I still lived in New York. I was down here to do South by Southwest. And Tony hit me up and he goes, buddy, are you in town? Monday? I go, yeah, he goes, yeah, he goes, yeah, he goes, he goes, come, do kiltony, right? I go, okay. I didn't see them in years, you know? And the last I saw him, I did it in the belly room. Maybe the main were, I don't, you know, whatever, but it was at the county store. Dude, I walked into the fucking Vulcan because it was before mothership open. I walked

into the Vulcan. It was like fucking Thunderdome, dude. It was two levels. People, like, you could feel the excitement. Dude, I walked in the green room. Tony goes, there he is, I go, what the fuck is going on? Dude, what is going on? I go, is it like this every week? He goes, it sounds out in one minute. I go, did these people fly in? He's like, yeah, I was like, dude, it's broken, our ticket service multiple times, where it's just the, the overwhelming demand, the people that

are trying to get tickets versus the tickets that are available, is so crazy, crashes the system. That's nuts. We had to like revamp the system multiple times just to deal with the kiltony sales. That's fucking nuts. It's nuts. Well, it's just because it's so good. It's that simple, and if you've gone, you want to go again. It's so fun. It's, it's, it's, that moment, it was like, in, it

member in casino when Peshie goes out to Vegas for the first time, and didn't arrow goes, and this is

whatever Sharon Stone's character's name is, and then Peshie looks at Sharon Stone and he goes, holy shit, he's what the fuck you been doing out here. It was that. Yeah, it was like, I saw that crap. That crowd was Sharon Stone. Yeah. And Tony was the nearer, I go, what the fuck you been doing out here? Well, the Vulcan really opened up our eyes to the fact that we needed a club, and what happened was, no one had done any stand-up at all for months, and then Tony and I did the Houston

improv, which was great. It was a lot of fun. We did a weekend. It was in the middle of the COVID, it was in July, and everyone scared. And I did it, and it was a lot of fun. I hadn't done stand-up in months. It was so much fun. But then I started thinking, what if I get COVID and then give it to one of my fucking guests and kill them? That's back when people were really worried. Yeah, yeah, I was going to kill them. Sure. I was like, oh no, because I have like these people that come in,

some of them are older. Yeah. And I had this lady on who was a scientist, and she was older, and I was like, what if I gave her a COVID and killed her? Yeah. Because that was back in the debt. That was also, but people really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and still spread it, which turned out really what was going on was there was a lot of false positives for the PCR. Right. So 80 plus percent false positives. Right. And so I said, let me just take time off.

I don't want to do that. I don't know. It feels totally responsible just because I want to get my comedy fix. Let me just ride this out. And then we wound up moving to Texas. And by the time we moved to

“Texas, it was around November. And Dave and I were doing these outdoor shows. Remember that”

stops, right? Yeah. We were doing shows and stops. Yeah. Which was a lot of fun. But everybody had to be tested. People had a weight in line. You know, it was like it was a big deal. And a few people tested positive. We had to kick them out. Right. Then the Vulcan just started doing shows.

went up and he hadn't gone up in like eight months. He hadn't done any stand-up in eight months. And he went on stage. And the audience went fucking berserk. They went berserk. Like people were standing up. Yeah. And he murdered. I mean, Ron White just laid it down for 15 minutes. I'm sure. And then he grabs me by the shoulders off sides. He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. He goes, you got to open up that club. And I was like,

okay, we're going to open up. And that was when I decided, Mike, that's it. We're going to open up a club. And then I immediately started looking at real estate and immediately tried to find the

“place. Wow. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. That's how the whole, that was it. Ron White”

grabbing me. Because Ron White is why I moved here in the first place. So I knew Ron moved here in 2018. And you know, me and Ron were talking on the phone. He was like, I thought I could love it here. And you know, he's telling me how great Austin was. And everything else was locked down. I was like, look, if I moved to Austin, if no one's doing stand up again ever, at least I can hang out with Ron. Like, there'll be a comic that I can hang out with. And in a live in a place where it's like more

relaxed and he's here to get around and sure. You don't have to wear a mask everywhere. It was like,

it was at least it was more chill here. Yeah. Even if we never do stand up again. And so

with him doing that and just grabbing me and saying, we're going to, we got to fuck do this. Whatever the fuck we have to do. That's what he said. Like, really, he was just on fire coming off stage just on fire and just grabbed my shoulders. And I was like, okay, we're doing it. That's fucking great.

“And that's what I did. Because I was always, we were talking about it. We should open”

up a club where we, and I looked at a bunch of different places, but they kind of sucked. And they were trying to fuck me. They were asking way too much money for these places. Like, during the beginning stages of the pandemic, when everyone was moving to here for California, everyone got crazy with real estate. They got really nuts. Oh, it was, it was that shit. They got really delusional. The prices went up like a hundred percent in a lot of places.

Yeah, I'm going through it now because I bought a condo here and I'm trying to sell the condo and buy a house. And it's very tricky now because the market has shifted so much and values this way too many condos for sale. Way too many. I'm worried that I'm going to end up buying this house and not be able to get rid of this goddamn condo. You don't have to keep the condo. I don't have any need for it. I'm like, I don't know what I would do with it, you know,

but I also don't want to live in this condo anymore because originally, that's where you take sketchy women. Women think they're going to, do you think my rob you? Because I know usually, you did a lot of sketchy girl. Take it to the condo. Have a house where it's like calm and peaceful, a little bit off the track. Get a little yard, you know, get some piece and quiet and take it to the condo. The condo is, why is there only an air mattress in here? How come you only have

four pairs on your way? It's not a bad, it's not a bad point, you make. I've had a few people in my condo where I'm like, "You want to come in your mouth? This is a mistake. Give this a dress away." Once you have people showing up at your house, like, "Oh, no." It's a way, you were just, you were talking about starting the club. Oh, oh. What's so weird is it's an odd, like, kind of full circle moment. But when I lived here in 2000, your club was the original

Alamo. Yeah. And the Alamo draft house at that time was the only movie theater ever in the

“country that served food and alcohol during a movie. And I remember that being a place that I”

went to frequently because I thought it was so amazing that you could get food during a movie.

And the kinds of movies they played I loved. And then on top of it, I always saw that as the

reason that I loved Austin. It was sort of just a, it was just sort of a symbol of why I loved Austin, the concept of it all. And it's so weird now that I've moved back after all these years that that's where the mother ship is. And now that's my symbol for living in Austin and being a part of this club and, and that club, be getting all these other places that we get to perform in the scene and all that stuff. It's a very weird, like, kind of full circle thing. I didn't

realize until right now as we were talking about it. We need to have a birthday party for the building. The building turns a hundred next year. Oh, yeah. It we have to have a birthday party for the building. Yeah. Yeah. You absolutely should. Yeah. Yeah. We should do something. A lot of history in that building. Yeah. And a cool shit. You can feel it. I felt it when, when

you never got to be here when it was bare bones. But when it was bare bones when it was just

the movie theater before we did all the renovations and raised the ceiling or lowered the ceiling and raised the floor and it changed it and made the tunnel and all the structure that we put in place when we first got in there, like you could feel it. It felt like baked into the walls.

different things. So at one point in time, it was like a punk rock club. Wow. So like black flag

“performed there. Like who's this chili peppers in 806? Chili peppers in 86. So that's why all of”

those punk flyers are in the green room. The green room is all flyers from people that performed at the club. Their shows. I didn't know that. Yeah. I thought it was just a cool like decor thing. Yeah, I didn't expect that too. But it's all silly. He's got the soccer over his cock. Rob Bottle right in our stage. There you go. Yeah. All those things on the wall, all those different people, Willie Nelson, all those different people performed there. That was their flyer

for the show that they did when they were at the club. There's so many bands on that wall. I don't like about that band. About whole surfers. Yeah, it's tons. So it was a punk rock band. I was a punk rock club. It was a rock and roll club. It was a pool hall for a while.

It was a newty movie theater. Amazing. Yeah. And then obviously it became the Alamo. And then the

Alamo went under. I think before the pandemic it went under. And then it was available, like a year. And I looked at it and I was like, it's like too much work. And then that was from what year. 74. Wow. So that's fat man. Yep. That's what it used to look like. Fuck man. I mean it looks different obviously, but it doesn't look that different. It looks a lot more narrow. Yeah. What I don't understand. What what happened? I wonder if it was two rooms back then.

I don't know. It looks different. It looks very different in terms of the like that looks more like it. Right. Oh, different one. Yeah. Yeah. The middle one looks like it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The roots is it was. But the middle one looks more like it. Go back to that again. Yeah. That looks more like the dimensions. Fuck man. We fit 250 people in the the big room. But I think we could fit a lot more if we have seating like the comedy works in Denver,

“which I think is the best seat. That's what it looked like when we first got there.”

When we first got there, it looked like that and we walked in and we were like, holy shit. The stage was really high. Obviously, because it was like movie theater. Sure. And the seating was at an angle, a very sharp angle, like a movie theater. And so we had to raise the floor up. So it was flat in the center. And then just a slight raise in the back. And then we kept those two balconies. Go back up to that picture right there.

Those two balconies that we have, obviously, we have the green balcony and then the VIP balcony,

which is such a dope thing to have. Yeah. Because there's always friends that come by,

that want to come by and see the show. And you always have 40 seats. You know, you could always get 40 people up there. So there's always those balconies fit 40 people. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. That's crazy. We always can stuff plenty of people back up in there. That's fucking wow. I had no idea the building was as old as you just said it was. Yeah. But I had no idea all that other shit was 1927.

Is this still the main room or is this little boy? No, so it's Kansas City. Oh, that's okay, sure. Similarly, looking. But, you know, we tried to figure out how to do it. Do we do it just like, like initially we thought, well, maybe we should do it just like this, like have seating, like movie theater seating. And then we're like, no, we should probably like raise the floor

up and make it flat in the front. It would make more sense. And then we had to figure out, like what to do with the stage. And then Louie gave me some really good advice. We were going to keep the ceiling the way it was. And Louie was like, how can you lower it? And I was like, I think we can lower it, like, instill get some view out of the balcony. So we had to figure out how lower the ceiling just enough. And it made a difference.

And then he said lower the ceiling in the little boy too. And we did that. And then we also made the stage smaller in the little boy, this is all Louie's advice. And he was dead on. I was like, tell me what you think. I left listen to everybody. Everybody had got to say in what to do. You know, what to have, like Brian Simpson, it was his idea to have the lights in the green room, the light that shows you someone's

got the light in the big room, someone's got the light in the little room. And then I think it was Tony's idea to put the timers, one of the other. Maybe it was Tony for the lights, Brian for the time I forget. But everybody had a little piece of the, like, I think it was Brian's idea to

“have monitors. It's like, everybody got to say in how it's done. That's what it looked like when you”

when we first walked in. Now, what does it look like now? I never go into the front.

It looks like I'm not shopping from the ceiling. And now go to go to what it looks like now.

But it looks similar enough that you can see. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's essentially

“was set up perfectly for two rooms. There's no pictures of the UFO. That's kind of crazy.”

So we have a big UFO as you walk in. Yeah, yeah. There it is. That's the UFO. And it is a projector. So the UFO is a projector. And up on the screen, it projects all the people that are coming soon. That's been amazing. We've been open for three years now. And it's been the most fun thing that I've ever been a part of. It's hilarious. Did I've walked under that projector

a thousand times? And I never, I realized, are the UFO. I mean, and I never realized it was

projecting shit. Yeah, it's so funny. You know, we just wanted to, wanted to make it cool. And it's also, I think it's a fire extinguisher. I think the center of it is a fire. I think we had to have one. So we put it in the center of the UFO. That same, that same time I was talking about during South by Southwest. And when I did kill Tony, it was me and Adam Ray. We're on panel. And the next day, Eric invited us over to see the club. It wasn't done yet, you know. But he walked

“this in. I remember him walking me through Little Boy and being like, "What are you going to do this?”

We're going to do this." Yeah. And remember he goes, "You're going to play here?" And I go, "I fucking hope so." I hope so. But yeah, it was, it was wild seeing it like, you know, in the construction phase and, and whatever. And then seeing the final product and remembering like, "Oh, I remember he told me they were going to change that." It's been really fun. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's, I think few people are in a position to have created a club

that can operate the way a club ideally should operate. And you're one of those people when you made it work, which is right. But you have to do it not to make money. Yeah, like my goal in the beginning was just break even. That was the goal. Like, let's just break even. So the idea is that everybody gets paid, what they're supposed to get paid, particularly the comics get, that's whatever everybody's here to see. They're not, they're divided by drinks in an empty room.

They're there to see the comics. So the comics should get the most money. Yeah. That's, you know,

what I always think when I'd go to other clubs, I'd be like, "This is crazy." But I would always tell

comedians be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one. You don't want to be the guy that has to run these fucking places and deal with these maniacs that come in. And especially some of the nutty or ones on the road. You know, like, you imagine if you had to run the funny bonic Columbus a while. Fucking animals that show up just missed their flights. They're fucking they do ecstasy the night before. They can't read. Yeah. Yeah. It's 830. The headline is not there. Yeah.

It's like, what does he try to score coke? Yeah. It's, it's, I, I, I, I always, I always said that to, as I, I was, I would never want to be in a position where I have to deal with comics from that side of it. Especially comics coming up. There's, like, most established comedians. Once you've been doing it a long time, you, you have a career, you're, you're, you're reliable. You know, you know, I'm saying, like, if, if you book, you know, fill in the blank. Yeah. You know, whoever it is is,

like, national headlight, they're going to show up. Yeah. Well, also, too, like, the, the profile and, and correct me if I'm wrong. But the profile that you were able to bring to the club probably helped you circumvent some of the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to deal with with agents and all that shit where it's like, hey, man, sorry. There's an improv there. So we can't take our guy out of the improv or would it? And now you're, there's a whole other battle now that you

have to do. Well, there's that. If you pay people more, they'll go to your place. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let they get found out. Yeah. And it pisses off the other clubs. But look, that's not my fault. Like, hi, this is, I am a comedian. I, I, I made a living doing this for a long time. And I know the value of the comedian. I know the value of the comic. The comic should be getting most of the money. Yeah. You know, I don't deserve most of the money. We can make money. We're going to make money

on 20% of the ticket sales and the liquor and all that jazz. We'll make plenty of money. Right.

“Like, so it's not be greedy. This is making an awesome environment. Right. And that's what we”

wanted to do. So the goal was never to make money. So most people when they start a business,

they're goals to try to make money. Yeah. And this was a conscious decision to just not lose money. Yeah. Just make it cool. It's, it's again, you're, yeah, you're, you're in a, in a, in a, advantageous position to, to make it the right way. And it's also like I'm trying to had to do it that way because I had the resources. And it's like, look, you're supposed to do the right

kind of money to do? I would like someone to make an awesome club for comics, like your, your comic, you know how important it is. Make, make, make the fucking the best creative environment,

“welcoming everybody, pump everybody up. Yeah. That's what you should do. Dude, it's, it's, it's”

funny because I always say, if you're, if, and, and you did this as a comic, right? I always say

with them with a movie star, right? Somebody who's got, you know, real movie star, bank. I'm just like, man, why the fuck don't more these guys that have endless cash start creating film situations that they want to be a part of. Not, I don't mean like we're going to do the next blockbuster thing or, or we've got a franchise or whatever. It's like, why don't you take 10 million bucks and make the fucking art fucking movie with all of your friends that you always want to make? Because

who cares? You will break even. You will break even at, at the, at the, at the very least, I never, ever, ever understood why more people in that position don't do it. I don't get it. Because rock stars do it all the time. Rock stars start a little label and they start putting on other bands that they love and they do passion projects to, because they want to work with their

friends. I've never, maybe not never, but it's very rare that you ever see a movie star do that.

And I'm like, why not do it for, for years, American cycle was the big one, the British and Ellis novel. Why haven't they made an accurate adaptation? Well, the studios don't want to touch it because it's too violent. It's too, it's like, somebody with $500 million, who's a movie star, fucking go, I'm going to do it. And I'm going to do it the way it's supposed to be done and it's

“going to work because that's what people want to see. And fuck it, man. Like, I just, I don't get it.”

Do you think that the, uh, Christian bail version was not accurate? I like the Christian bail version a lot, but it is not the book, when the book is fucking dark. It's brutal. Yeah. They're shit in that book. Why? Oh yeah. I was reading that book and I was like, "Bretty Stadellus has murdered somebody." [laughter] There are details in here where it's like, I don't understand how you would know this. Like,

there's one of the darkest scenes in that book is when he goes to get rid of the body and the real state guy sees him in the room because they're selling the apartment. And so he realized the real state guy's already gotten rid of the body. Yeah. And they look at each other and he just leaves. Yeah. And you're like, "Oh, God." Yeah. And there was, by the way, I was just joking about "Bretty Stadellus." I don't think he's murdered somebody. I feel like we have to say that for

it's very important to clarify. Yeah, yeah. I was just joking. Just human. But, but the thing the book did and they kind of made your scene out of the movie. It's the one extra scene on the blue ray. And I don't understand why they deleted it. But there's a scene in the movie where his friends says they're at the club at the beginning and his friend goes, "I'm out of here." And the guy climbs

up like these like rafters or whatever and crawls into like a fan vent in the club and you never see

him ever again. And that's the part in the book that makes you go. Is this all in this fucking guy's head? What he just described happening is nuts. And this guy is now gone and nobody knows where he is. And I'm like, is that such a key scene and they cut it out of the movie? And so whatever,

“they're remaking it now again. Oh, they are. Yeah. I'm just going to be American Psycho. I think”

maybe Adam Drivers connected to it. I think maybe he'd be good at that. He's got a lot of psycho behind his eyes. But the shards is the new British Nelson adaptation on Fox. What is it? It's his last novel and it's a fictional autobiography where the main character is him as a teenager and there's a serial killer loose. And all these murders are happening. They're targeting teenagers. These brutal fucking murders. And there's a cult happening that's reminiscent of the Manson cult. And then he's

also coming of age and realizing he's gay and like, as he's trying to deal with the fact that this murder thing is happening. And he thinks he knows who it is. And it's a wild story. But there and he's, he co-created it with Ryan Murphy, the TV show, the adaptation. It's really fucking good. So far. Really? So it's a period piece. Yeah, it takes place like 83 or 84. You know how could tell? The Ferrari? Yeah. Oh, Ferrari. Oh, wow. But it's one of the adaptations where I was like,

was a cool movie, but it's not the book. Rules of attractions are great movie. And that's,

he said that was the closest thing he had that anybody had gotten to. The bucks are, it's one of his books. Americans, I go would be very hard to capture the darkness of it. Because you also capturing this guy's internal dialogue, you know, which is some of it. Yeah. It's dark. So what would you do? Would you have a guy narrate the internal dialogue? You're missing something. Well, they did that with bail. He narrates the entire thing. I know that you're missing something there.

“It's very funny. How do you mean? Because I think instead of hearing it, when you're reading”

the internal dialogue, you understand that there's no, you don't hear the voices. Right. You know,

I mean, like this guy's got some fucking creepy shit going on in his head. I mean, he's a fucking

so bad. Yeah. It's like a pathetic murderer. Yeah. It's like you get into his head in this way that I don't think you ever do in a movie. Like you're in his head when you're reading it. Because you're imagining it all happening in his head. You're imagining how he's viewing like the real state scene. Like he's locking eyes this real estate guy. There's this is a creepiness to it that's like he plays the best scene acting wise in my opinion. In that movie is when when they're comparing

the business cards, they're like, they're like, one up at each other, looking mine, man. It's bone, white, whatever. And Christian Bell starts sweating and he gets like horse and he's like, it's nice. It's nice. Because it's this fucking pissing contest, whereas the best business card and he's so upset that he doesn't have the best business card. Yeah, that he wants to kill that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I'm listening to this podcast about Luigi. The guy who murdered

the health care executive. It's a very, very interesting podcast. It details how they caught

him the whole deal. But one of the things they brought up was one of the first things they thought

of after that guy got assassinated was probably somebody worked with. Really? Yeah. They had to find out whether or not someone had some sort of a grudge, someone got recently fired when, you know, because when people get murdered like that, you often times think it could be a co-worker. I have a core form or co-worker. I have a question for you about Luigi. I'm glad you brought it up. I'm so sorry I have to pee really bad. I want you to go pee really bad. I'm going to pee really

so bad. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. Question about Luigi. My fucking manager does it. It's everybody, doesn't it? It's really fucking annoying. Sorry Joe. Is it more annoying than boiling your own coffee? No, nothing's more annoying than that. The turning on the stove, filling the pot, when does it end? When does it end? Well, Luigi, Luigi. Yeah. This is what I wanted to ask you because there was Jimmy has a theory. Well, they were all the way. Okay, not public. They were all the

people. You know, that Luigi sparked that whole debate about justified violence or whatever, which I thought was bullshit. But everybody that was raw-rowing, Luigi going, he's a hero and how many people is this health care guy killed in all that bullshit. I wonder now, whatever he's saying about the fact that Luigi is doing the insanity plea. And it's like, well, he didn't really stick to

“his fucking, I mean, if that's what's this thing, he was going to be the big crusader for him.”

He's just playing the legal system. I mean, that's the smart move. Play the insanity. Well, it's the smart move if you're not, so might be accurate. But also, is it the smart move if you're trying to, I know it's the smart move. I'm saying, if you're going to go out there and go, I did this because it was justice and whatever and then go, oh, wait, actually, actually, I was a little crazy. Well, here's the point. If you did shoot a man who had nothing

to do with you because you thought it was justice because he was a health care executive. I don't know how he picked that guy. I don't know the details of what that guy has done. He was he particularly bad. He was killed. I think he was a CEO. No, he was, he was, it was, it was, it was definitely targeted that this man is this man is responsible for decisions made.

“Was he the CEO, Jamie of United Health Care? Is that what he was? So if you think that you should”

go murder somebody like that, that you should, you're probably mentally ill. If you think that that kind of violence is justified, the problem that a lot of young people are having right now and a lot of people that agree with, you know, what Luigi did and they celebrated it is because everyone knows that the system is rigged and no one is doing anything to change it. And this is what drives people fucking crazy. If you get health insurance and their whole business model is to deny

make money. So they're really in the making money business and they're pretending they're in the

we're going to take care of you and give you insurance business. So they're not really in that business. Yes. They're in the business of making the most amount of money. If they can fuck 10% of the

“people over or 20% of the people over, that's 20% more money. And that's how they look at it.”

And that drives everyone nuts and rightly so. And if they don't fucking correct that, people don't have a whole lot of options as to how to lash out and how to get back. And especially if like, let's say it's your wife, let's say your wife gets injured or gets a disease or something, and they can treat her and they deny the claim. Maybe she needs a surgery, some crazy surgery. And they deny the claim and it bankrupts you and she dies. You want to murder somebody.

And it makes sense because you're paying for this fucking insurance all this time thinking that you're insured if something goes wrong. The whole reason why you give them money. You don't give them money for freebies. It's not for no reason. It's not because you like them. You want you die to health care to have a yacht. No. You give them the money because it's supposed to be an agreement. I agree with that completely. I have no beef with the concept behind

his, his motivations for hatred of of a healthcare CEO. I have no problem with that. My question is, is it, does it take away from, does it take away from the people that were raw, rawing him for him to now go? Oh, that was just crazy. Sorry. I don't think it does. Do you know what I mean? I don't think it does. No. It's trying to not go to jail. And a lot of those people

“think you shouldn't go to jail. That's interesting. I think you should go to jail. I don't think you”

should be able to be walking up to people in the fucking street and murdering them. But I can understand where your anger comes from. I get it. I really do. And there's a thing about capitalism. Right. There's a thing about corporations in particular that are, you're beholden to your shareholders. You have to make more money every quarter. That alone, that motivational loan, it motivates sociopathic behavior. The people that are going to be the most successful, other ones who are going

to be the most ruthless, and they're going to squeeze the most money possible without, well, crushing the company's reputation. And that's their goal. And in the healthcare market,

the problem is like, what are your options? There's no one amazing option where they always take care

of everybody. And it's ethical capitalism. They're just trying to look, we make plenty of money giving people real insurance and really taking care of them and really paying for them. And so let's make less money, but let's make everybody healthier. Nobody does that. No. No. So your options,

“if you have to get insurance, are very limited. You're just giving money to psychos. So which”

psycho gets my money? Which psycho that doesn't give a fuck about me or my family or anybody I love if they get hurt or sick every year, every year that I don't do a writing gig on a TV show, which is not every year. I don't do it frequently. I do it sometimes. But every year I don't do a writing gig on a TV show or I don't act enough to clear sag insurance. I have to make a decision. Is this worth $600 a month for fucking health insurance? Is it? I don't know. I don't know that

it is. Especially now with just some imagine how angry you would be if you paid all that money, right? And you broke your ankle or something like that. They denied you. Yeah. You're like, what? Yeah. And this is why people cheer about, let's lead you guys. There are a ton of stories of people who had treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage. They had surgeries that could have been done to save them. They were denied coverage. There's a ton of stories like that. It's a dirty

fucking game. It's a dirty fucking game. It's not the game they're pretending it is. They're pretending the game is we're going to help care to care of you. You're going to have a safety net. So you

pay a little bit of money and hopefully nothing happens. You never need us. And that's our gamble.

Our gamble is if you do need us, you're going to get more value out of it than you put into it. Yeah. And they don't want that. Health insurance has become like the protection plan. It's best by when you buy a TV. You want the two-year protection plan in case anything. No. I don't fucking know because no. Well, some places have a good protection plan, though. They just give you a new TV. Health care is not even that. It's not even that. It's worse. It's worse than best by.

I don't know why they're maybe like me just what. Well, some places have a good protection plan. They do. Some places you should bring them the computer to give you a brand new one. This thing sucks. It broke. Yeah. I go, okay. Hold on. I file out this film. Fill out this form. We'll go each get another one. Every time I've tried to utilize it, I bring it in. They go,

part of it. We probably broke a fuck. Probably did something stupid. They make it do. It's really useful. They make it. I probably throw it across the room and a fit of rage because I had to boil water in the morning. But, you know, it's, it's, it's a dire, you know, when, when the, when the neem is marked, when the neem and Marcus gang thing was happening where these kids were running into neem, Marcus and stealing shit, which, again, I don't think is, is an okay thing to do. But,

“you know, like my mom, I remember was being like, can you believe these kids are, I go,”

mom, they just told an entire generation of kids they'll never own land. Right. They're fucking

hopeless. Yeah. They're hopeless. Like, what do you, what, where does your head even go? Where's you, I have, in, in my act, I, I, I have a line. It's, it's, it's not even a joke. I just go where the Gen Z's and they clap and I go, you'll never own land and it gets a huge laugh because it's so true in that crazy and it's like, it's fucked up and then they hear that private equity companies are buying up houses so that could, could lease them out and, so that they'll own all

houses. Like, fucking what? And the parking lots. Yeah. They're buying up all the fucking parking lots. You can't park anywhere for free or for cheap. You know, it's fucking crazy, man. It's, we, we are living in a rent to live culture anymore. Well, it's just about, it's again,

what we're talking about, about maximizing the amount of money you could squeeze out of people

and that's their business and it doesn't have to be like that. But it doesn't have to be like that if you're public, it's almost like we'd better off with a bunch of private corporations. And if you're private, you could do whatever you want. Like, there's a private quite like, look, you could decide. I'm going to do, you know, I'm going to give X amount of my profits to this. I'm going to give the Y to that. I'm going to, I'm going to do whatever I want because it's my money.

But as soon as you have shareholders, as soon as you take that IPO money, whoo, baby, that's a big win fall, though. You got all this money, all this stock, all this capital has been investing in your business. Your business is going to grow and the business does grow. So do you fucking problem? Yes. They've ruined shareholders have ruined, I don't know, saying shareholders inherently are evil, but the border directors and shareholders and all that shit. They have ruined everything.

They've ruined everything. It's like, everybody goes, why the last three Star Wars movie suck. Kathleen Kennedy came out and said, we were met with demands by the shareholders to rush the fucking sequels out and we couldn't make the movies we wanted to make. So that's not an agent if they did it at Jim Cameron. You can't do that. I can't rush that guy. Imagine you rushed avatar. Fuck you. Fuck you. That movie takes that forever to make.

“That's why it's awesome. There's certain things that you can't do just for money.”

And healthcare should be one of them. It should be one of them. Well, you know what? And I don't say this to ball-wash you in any way, but you just said it 10 minutes ago about the club. And for all the criticisms of people can level it you, whatever the fuck they want to say, whatever. It's like, hey, man, here's a guy. I know that has a lot of money that started something that helps other people in the industry. He works in and said, I'm not worried about making money.

I'm worried about breaking even and I want the people that I'm working at my club to benefit. You actually did it. You actually did the thing that we're complaining that other people don't do. You actually did the thing where you said, I am not going to try to turn massive profits off of this club. What I'm going to try to do is create an environment where people can make what they deserve to make. That's fucking pretty awesome and pretty crazy. Well, the thing is anybody can do that.

That's successful already. Yeah. You could all choose to run a business that way and a lot of people do. I'm not unique in that way. There's a lot of really ethical, like, moral, happy people. Sure. And you make a happier environment, too. Let's see. Other thing. Like the environment, the club is very happy. Everybody gets paid really well. Everybody's making money. The waitresses, waiters are all making money. Everybody's happy. Yeah. That's beautiful. You go to a place where people are happy to be there.

“That's, that's what you want. You don't want to go to a place where you're making maximum profits and”

everybody is in hell. And that's a lot of people that work in corporations. You're working way more

hours than you should. You never see your kids. You're constantly fucking stressed out. Your

cortisol is through the roof. You're about to have a fucking heart attack. But you bought a house in the Hamptons. Yeah. Look at that. I got a $15 million house overlooking the bay. How about that? Right. You fucking win. I got the new Ferrari. You want to see it? Yeah. And meanwhile, you're dying. Yeah. Right. But that's, that's the environment of just chasing money. I think you can make plenty of money. I mean, obviously, I'm in an unusual situation. But I think most business owners

that do well. Once you're doing well, what is enough? Like, make it, just make it better for

is it really good to cut back on the ingredients and fuck people over. You'll see this thing about

powdered sugar. Some guy went to a grocery store and he took all these bags of two pound bags of powdered sugar and he weighed them. They're like 1.3 pounds, 1.2 pounds, 1.27. Yep. They're just fucking you. You tell me that's not on purpose. Your machines are so off that it doesn't know what two pounds are. Yeah. But this is this mentality of just squeeze the most. Yeah. Squeeze the most.

“I don't think you have to do that. I think if your business is successful, just it should be,”

like, you're good. You're good. Let's like keep it keep the ball rolling. Keep it. Don't try to just keep making the most money possible every quarter. And that's what they do in corporations. Because they have to. If you don't, you're a bad CEO, you'll get kicked out. Yeah. Like, hey, good news, guys. We made the same amount of money this month as we did last month. Like, what? This guy sucks. Yeah. It's got a fucking sucks. Where's my return? Yeah. You know,

I'll be the fucking we're going to vote him out. Yeah. And then you get a board meeting together and people playing and you have to do that. That's their job. Yeah, ideally what should happen is you say, hey, guys, we made more money this month than we did last month. But the reason we made more money is because we made a better product that brought in even more customers. And it was beneficial to everybody. Right. And it's not that. It's not we squeezed the same amount of customers out of more

money. Yeah. Yeah. It's the fucking potato chip thing. Well, the other thing that you know that's avocado oil scandal that's going on right now. So all these people that are buying things made with avocado oil that they think, oh, this is going to be super healthy. Turns out a lot of these corporations are fucking you over and they're using seed oils and fucking safflower oil and rape seed oil. All these different oils and they're pretending that it's cooking or it's avocado oil.

I watched a thing about food where they talked about, by the way, what I meant by the potato chip thing was when you we were just talking about this in the lobby before we started recording, when you buy a bag of potato chips now, and it's half full. And it's all air. And of course, the excuses. Well, no, that's so a protection chips and just get the fuck out of here. If I've got to get my chips. Yeah. Don't crush the chips. You fucking idiot. Yeah. Maybe pack the chips

and chip them properly. No, no, we can't do that. Have you ever had those vanity chips? No, it's vanage. Oh, their chips made with beef tallow. Okay. The just cooked in beef tallow is just beef tallow and salt and potato chips that the best potato chips you've ever eaten in your fucking life. Where do you get them? You can buy them online. I buy them online. Yeah. A lot of these are so legit, dude. If I want potato chips, oh, they're so good. And you don't over eat them.

It's crazy. Like when it's real food, you eat enough. Yeah. You know, especially they're like soaked in beef tallow. They're so rich and fat. Yeah. It's actually probably good for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the thing. Most of these quality food products that we want to buy

“and enjoy now, you have to buy them online. You can't get them in fucking stores. You can get them”

in some stores. But the problem is they get bought out. You know, so say a company comes along

and you're making something that has like really healthy ingredients and people really get into it and then Pepsi buys you. Some exactly. Some fucking Kellogg's buys you and they turn it into something that's just close enough. They change the ingredients, make it cheaper. Did, did that happen with, is it rouse, R-A-O's? R-O's? R-O's? R-O's? Yeah. Yeah. R-O's got bought by, I think, like whoever makes ragu or whatever, the bisco or some shit. R-O's made a great talk. Is it still legit or is it,

they fuck with the ingredients now? I don't, I never thought there was any jarred sauce that was awesome, like, you know, they would have Steve Sharipas when he had his? No. You know, Steve Sharipas? Yes, I did the work for him. I work for him when he was the booker at the Riviera and Vegas.

“I remember that. Before he got on the sopranos before he ever did any acting. That's a legend.”

Yeah. Friends of them along, fucking time ago. He's the best. I love that guy. He is the best.

So he had an amazing sauce. It was, uh, I forget the name of it, but it was all organic. And it was,

you know, like really super top shelf ingredients. It was fucking delicious. Okay. Such a good sauce. But it was too much of a pain in the ass for him to keep the business rolling and he got rid of it. I'm like, God damn dude, that sucks. So I think he had a problem keeping up with demand, too, because it was like he came on the podcast and talked about it and then he eventually just bailed on the business. Look, man, it's one of the reasons I left my sandwich shop was because I felt like

whatever, that I did it. We had to keep kind of upping prices and, and whatever. And it wasn't big, it was not, I've agreed. It was out of, there is no way that we stand a chance to turn a profit unless you keep up with what the demand and the economy of New York City is. And I just got to a point where I was like, you know, man, it's just not what I thought it could be. You wanted to be for me. You wanted to just be for me. Yeah. And that was it. And it was, I wish them well,

but they're still going. But it was, it just for me, I was like, I just can't, like, this isn't you know. So that what happens is with a lot of these companies that get bought up, it's this Steve Sharipa thing where it's like, hey, man, I'd love to keep doing this at the quality. I'm doing it at the, at the, you know, the tick that which we're moving at or whatever.

And then somebody comes along like Pepsi and goes, we'll buy out for 50 million. And you

probably go, you know what, my ship just came in, take the fucking, I don't know, you know, I can't, you know, so I don't blame people for selling to a big corporation. It's kind of the position you're left in, you know, this mom and pop thing is going away, you know, we COVID put a big dent in that. Oh, destroy it. Destroyed it. Destroyed it in terms of like small restaurants.

“I know so many of them went under in LA. I think at one point in time, LA lost 70% of its restaurants.”

It's that the meat monopoly thing is brutal, you know, what like what happened with prices and meats and because they saw like, oh, actually, we can say that there's a demand and low, low product availability and all this and just charge everybody this much. But there also is a demand and there also is low product. I mean, there's also the, the reality of the marketplace. Yeah, well, that what I think it is is there's the reality of the problem and then and some people are

affected by that very genuinely, but then there's a lot of people that go, this is a chance for us to capitalize and squeeze and that sucks. Yeah, that's the thing. And you know, once you escape the world of need and you're in a world of decisions based on what you enjoy doing, then you could choose to do a business where you do it however you want to do it and don't worry about it. Right. You know, because you're not doing it for money, you're doing it because it's a cool thing. Right.

“And ideally, that's what we would all like to do. Yeah, ideally. It's not obviously it's difficult to”

achieve. But if you can get there, that's the way to do it. It's just that everybody has this thing about chasing the fucking whatever number it is, whether it's number in your bank account or

the address that you're living in or the car that you're driving, everyone's always chasing

the new thing. This is a new thing to justify why you're pumping all of your energy into a business. You know? Yeah, it's it's it's the unfortunate other side of of capitalism. Yeah, this is why it's capitalism fucking great. It's way better than everything else. Well, that's just that I agree with, but we're just talking about it. Yeah, it's kind of flaws. And the flaws are human nature. That's the flaws. Is there a way do you think is there a way to

have the free market with capitalism, but actually have some sort of regulation. So these problems that we're talking about can occur, or is it just you have to take the go with the bad and that's all there is to. I mean, this should definitely be regulations without a doubt.

“But I think too much regulations, then you stifle business, and that's what California has,”

if over over regulated, because the government is just too huge of a business there, I think at one point in time, California, during the pandemic, they lost a bunch of people, like a bunch of people moved out, but they doubled the size of government. They just keep adding more government, and more, it's like that's where they create jobs. They create jobs through government. And just keep adding programs and adding government, and then you just keep siphoning off tax

money, and then it's a slush fund. Yeah. And there's a whole economy based on it, and those people are the people that are in charge of running the city. And they don't want to let it go. Right. Because that's how everybody's getting paid, and nothing's getting done, and the

fucking homeless crisis never gets any better, and the streets never get clean, the schools never

get fucking funded correctly. But yet, they keep engrowing their fucking business, the business of being a fucking person in government. Yeah. It's, I, I, I, one of the things I learned when I worked for the, because when I lived here in 2000, I worked for the Senate during the legislative session. It was the 70, six legislative session, I think. I was a media reporter for the, for the Senate media department. But one of the things I learned was how low a senator's salary is versus

what they actually make in a year, because of donations and whatever the fuck else. And I was like,

this is a fucking joy ride right now. Yeah. And once you're in that position, now you got a

problem, because now it's like, well, who's actually in there to do something? Yeah, versus who's

“in there to keep the job? And if you want to keep the job, keep the constituents happy. Well, how”

do you do that? Well, then you start compromising things and can't, and you learn how to be able to bullshit artists. Oh, yeah. You learn how to say the things they want you to say. That's why people support ridiculous positions, because they fucking lick their finger and find out which way the wind's blowing. And that's the way my constituents want to that's how I feel. Yep. You know, I think God's non-binary, like whatever, they just start talking. Yeah. You start saying things. You're

like, why are you saying this? This makes no sense. They're saying it because they think it's going to help them and get them to win. Cookie, stop, man. Yeah, man. And nobody wants the job. That's the other thing. Well, nobody, nobody, no really successful person who would really be good at it, want the job. It's too much work. It's, it's a hassle. You're also dealing with insane corruption. Once you get in there, try it untangling all the fucking webs that have been spun for decades,

whether they've been moving money to this and moving money to that. And you got to pay a little of this and you got to pay a little of that. Yeah. Do you ever see Charlie Wilson's war? Tom Hanks movie? No. It's great. You'd love it. Mike Nichols directed at Tom Hanks in a Philipsymore Hoffman. My favorite Philipsymore Hoffman. Really? Performance ever. It's a fucking awesome movie. But it's about how when we were sending arms and funding, the Afghani is when

Russia was attacking Afghanistan. And he's in there to do a good thing. He's like these people are getting fucking taken over. The Russians are coming in, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he does all this good thing. He gets all this funding to them. He helps them. They're, the Afghani start shooting the Russian copters out of the fucking air in all this shit. And he's like, this is great. And then all the sudden, the powers that beer like, we're cutting the funding. And he's like, what are you talking

about? We just help these people liberate themselves. We can't cut the funding now. We have to rebuild. And they're like, yeah, we're not rebuilding. That's, we're not spending any more money in this. And the end of the movie is Philipsymore Hoffman telling Tom Hanks that he doesn't say the name. But he says, the fucking loonies are in the henhouse. He's talking about Ben Lawson. It's now taking over Afghanistan. And this is going to go real fucking sideways on us. And it's just such

“a great encapsulation of, that's how it works. That's how it works. You do a good thing. And then”

all of a sudden it creates an even bigger fucking problem than they ever anticipate it because of funding. It's, you would also, why would they do it in the first place? Why the fuck are they funding the Mujahadine? And that's how Ben Lawson turned against us. Right. That's what it was all about. He realized how dirty our fucking politics are. And what we're doing when doing regime change in other countries. Proxy wars and all the insane shit that we've been involved with forever.

It's fucked up. The way it's portrayed, the way it's portrayed in the movie is the Russians are attacking these people. It's going to be this genocide. It's bubble, blah, blah. That's how it's

framed in the movie. In real life, I know there's always multiple sides. Both sides. I mean,

there's probably a lot to that, too. But it's just one of those things where I brought it up because you said, "Who would whoever want this job?" And I watched that movie and thought that I was like, "Who would want the fucking job of this guy?" And he thinks he's doing the right thing. And then it just blows up in their faces. He just hope that good people come along and want the job. That's a joke. But for the most part, they're swimming in a sea of psychos. Right. Well, the question is if a good

person does come along, can they stay pure or is the system just built in a way where it's like, "Now, there's no way to do this." I was acquitted to the Hollywood thing. It's like, in my opinion, there's no way to become, or it's a very hard thing to become a massive movie star and maintain your morality and your ethics and whatever. You're playing in a system that is so fucking foul and so

“dirty and whatever. That's why we're like, "It's so rare to meet a Woody Harrel Center,”

it's like that." Who's a genuine person? And nine out of ten of those guys, they don't fucking live there. They go somewhere else and they dip in, they do it, they get the fuck out again.

So I always wonder, like, is there a we always say, like, if only a decent man would come along and

lead us or take this seat in this office. Is it possible to even remain pure at that point? I don't know. Or is it just, hey, this is how it works. This is all there is to it and you either play this game or you will be phased out and that's it. You know? Well, the Hollywood game is interesting because you have to have the same political opinions of them. Yeah, if you talk to any variation,

You're cast out of the kingdom. Like you have to be full compliance, full compliance to whatever ideology that they have because they're completely in control. They get to choose whether or not you work. The beautiful thing about comedy and music is another version of that, but less so I think, is that you just make what you make and if people like it, they come see you. Real simple. Real simple. You get a chance. Everybody gets a chance. Everybody gets a chance to. Everybody gets a chance.

If someone says, "Hey, Joe, you're really funny. You want to open for me on the road? Also, oh my god, I'm on the road." Everybody gets a chance. Yeah. And the thing about the movie

business is it's not that way. Like you could be a really talented actor and you never get cast in

something. You know, maybe they don't align with the way you think. Maybe you didn't kiss their ass enough when you went in for the audition. Maybe you don't have a good agent. Whatever it is. Right. You might not ever work. Yeah. There's a great, what is it called? It's the documentary. I think it's called Frank. It's the documentary about Frank Stallone. So Vester Stallone's brother. Oh. And Frank Stallone is an immensely talented guy. And he sort of got reduced to, he does stuff.

He works. And he seems like a happy guy. But there was a big part of Frank Stallone where he kind of got reduced to the punch line of like, Slides Brothers. Yeah. Exactly. But he knew I was

Charlie Murphy. It was just said about Eddie. They talk in the documentary about Frank Stallone.

They go, everybody's like, how did this guy not become bigger? He's so fucking talented. He was a musician. He's a great actor. He's this. He's that. And they say in the middle, they go,

“"Do it doesn't just happen. You have to have a team of people operating around you that make it”

fucking happen." It's not just dumb luck. It's not just, oh, he's good. If you don't have the people strategically, let's put it that buying you through the system, right? It doesn't fucking happen. It just doesn't happen. It's like, look at when people get nominated, the process of getting nominated for an Emmy. It's like, you get the consideration vote. And then I would see it when I was living in LA. And then people would do these PR campaigns just based on the consideration. Oh, yeah,

those billboards for your consideration. Yeah. You'd see them everywhere. Then you get nominated. And then you do that's a whole other thing. That's why I thought it was such bullshit when, and I'm a big fan. I'm not knocking the guy. But like, when the whole thing happened with like, the year that Brendan Fraser won for the whale was the same year. The kid that played

“short round one for everything everywhere all at once. Do you remember that year at the Oscars?”

And they both, it was like, it's the year of the comeback at the Oscars. And they're up there going, I thought I was done. And here I am. It's like, you fucking had a campaign. This cost millions of dollars to get you here. This is not some underdog story. This was orchestrated. That's how it works. It's crazy. It's crazy. Nobody's doing it. Oh, yeah, I was driving a cab that I was like, I'd nominated. I won. That's how fucking works. That's bad shit. Yeah. Well, that's a bad

shit business. It's, it's, it's, it's the worst and best business of all time. Yeah, the best that we it gets us to get to do what we want to do. Sorry, but it doesn't stand up as better now. It's like stand up in podcasts, such an easier pathway than that. That was the old pathway. You had to be a part of that. I was, I was talking to Tony about it after MSG. We're at the after party. And you know, Tony, I love this is what, one of the things I love about it. He gets, you have a few drinks and

it's a real love fest. He's like, buddy, we're doing it, man. We're doing it. They told us,

no, and we're fucking doing it. And I go, Tony, here's what's wild. I go, the mainstream of entertainment

could become the, for lack of a better term, wokeest, whatever. That whole thing could come back of PC culture and whatever. And they could tell any one of us or all of us, you guys are out. There's no way you're going to get anything on streamers or anything anymore. And we'd all still be fine. Because we all said, we found another lane. So fuck it. It doesn't matter. It's a bigger lane too. Way bigger. It's way bigger. Way bigger. Yeah, because it's authentic. Yeah,

“it's real. And it's not curated. Yeah, it's real. It's simple. People, that's what people want.”

If Hollywood could send a missile to destroy YouTube, they would. Meanwhile, it's come up with some of the fucking greatest talents like that guy who made obsession, came straight out of YouTube. Yeah, did I got to wrap this up? Oh, okay. Your special speaking of which, yeah.

which film we shot this in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. It was on my YouTube netflix scooped it up.

“It's still on my YouTube. But please go watch it on Netflix. And, and I hope you all enjoy it.”

And then, and then my, my podcast, violent horrendous is now out, YMH network. Nice.

And at Joe Rosa comedy on YouTube is where you can find it. So please listen and I hope you

“watch the special of enjoyed it. Thank you for having me. My personal brother. I love you. Love you, my”

friends. Don't worry, it's fine, buddy.